Andy & Ari On3 - Ohio State SURVIVES Penn State in Happy Valley | Will James Franklin ever win another big game?

Episode Date: November 2, 2024

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Welcome to Annie and Ariane on three presented by Wendy's. Ohio State has survived its trip to Happy Valley. Ari a goal line stand in the fourth quarter followed by the most blind group for the Buckeyes pretty much putting the game away. The offensive line the question we asked all week. Can these guys hold up? They're going to they're getting reshuffled. There's injuries at left tackle.

They did it. And Penn State loses. And James Franklin still has not won another big game. Yeah, this is this might be a long video, Andy, because we have two very different sides of the coin to discuss. You know, usually when we go live after a shocking loss, it's like one team failed. And we're talking about that one team. And it's like here you've got a huge win on one

side, and then more struggles on the other. And I think I have a different opinion of James Franklin than you're going to anticipate when we get to it. But the one thing that you have to say about this Ohio State team is that, you know, they talk a lot. And I've said that before, they talk a lot. And Ryan Day, you know, says, you know, it's a lot and I've said that before they talk a lot and Ryan day, you know says, you know It's not about words. It's about action and when you have a team Who doesn't play a great game, you know has a lot of mistakes

Lean on the one position group that we spent all weekend talking all week talking about, you know being a deficiency In that final drive, but throughout the entire game, you know, it kind of changes your perspective of just the team and what they're potentially capable of. Now, I don't know that I think that Ohio State's gonna go win the national championship all of a sudden. You know, I think they still have some work to do in terms of cleaning some stuff up. But that was a monumental win for Ryan Day. And honestly, I don't know if we respected enough about what that could have meant for Ohio State's playoff run had they lost. So definitely a nice win for them. Have Indiana still on the schedule. And it probably was a pretty cathartic way for Ohio State fans to watch them close out that game going on that five-minute drive where they just ran the ball down Penn State's throat.

I mean, that had to be amazing. last week wanting to throw things through their television as they watch them do nothing in the run game against Nebraska and Donovan Jackson did a great job. Yes, he had occasional struggles with Abdul Carter one on one, but so does every offensive tackle who has to block Abdul Carter one on one. This is a guy he's not a tackle. It's a pretty impossible situation. I mean, if you're an all-American guard and your first assignment is trying to block a top 10 pick at the defensive end, you know, you're gonna give up plays like the expectation wasn't that Abdul Carter isn't going to get sacks. He did. And you know, there was one really big sack on a third down in the second half that stands out in my mind. But when you look at the, you know, ability to at least not let him wreck the game, which he's done so many times in his career, you know, that's a win. And then Carson Hinsman, too, is another guy who played a ton last year. He was

awesome. He came in and I think he won his assignment, you know, more often than not. So, you know, I have some questions as to why, why Ohio State didn't land on this offensive line alignment during the 2-week period where they could prepare for Nebraska. But frankly speaking, that literally doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, they got, they got through Nebraska. They got the W. Yeah, and they have it now. And it, you know, when Zin Mikulski comes back, if he does, probably stick with this. Because this, and then, and then you have a backup at left tackle. But they looked awesome on that final drive. Remember when Penn State gets stuffed at the one,

you're like, well, that sucks for Penn State, but they've got Ohio State backed up to the one, they're gonna get the ball back. And they did not. Ohio State ran it down their throat. I mean, the four yard quarterback sneak on first down from the one yard line told you what was going to happen. The rest of the series. It was it was incredible.

Yeah, no question about it Andy and you know I. Think that when you watch the game that you have a sense that Penn State's a very good football team right Like I think you would agree with that. I think they're a very good team. I think their deficiency obviously at receiver might have made it hard for them to move the football. Well, I will talk about that later too, because I go ahead. I was just going to say though, Andy, is that like, you know, it might be a dying breed in this sport, where a team just has a bunch of better players than the other team, and those players are the difference. But I don't know if you got the sense watching this game. But like, when I was watching it, I was like, I cannot believe this game is even, you know, within striking distance for Penn State for most of it, in terms of just the athleticism that was just all over the field at crucial positions for Ohio State, and it was just relentless. And I think Penn State has done a really good job under

James Franklin during his leadership for as much flak as he's going to take for this. Actually playing Ohio State, very tough. Like that wasn't an easy win for Ohio State. But I think that like, when you talk about national championship contenders, I just think that there's still an extra gear there that Penn State does not have, and we knew that Penn State didn't. So like, how do you frame your thought on James Franklin? We'll get to that. But, you know, the reality is here is that that was a big win for Lion Day, probably something that took a little bit of pressure off, you know, in terms of getting a quality win on the road. And hopefully, you know, for their sake, they can figure it out. So definitely a huge win and one that I doubt it. Let's be honest, we both picked Penn State in this game. I thought that Ohio offensive line was gonna be the reason

that they lost a close, tough game on the road. And their offensive line was the reason they won a close game on the road. Yeah, it is incredible that they shuffled it up and found the five because it looked like they found their five because that is a really good Penn State defensive front. And I thought Chip Kelly did a really good job calling plays too. I thought he gave it. He gave Wilhauer a lot of answers early, allowed him to get the ball out fast.

So if there were issues blocking, they made sure that Penn State didn't really have a chance to take advantage of them. For sure. And like just the play designs too, like there were a few of these play designs where, um, you know, Ohio State was getting what it wanted up the middle and then they would, you know, fake, uh, run up the middle when Penn State adjusted to it and then pitch it to Junkins. Like it just, they, they had. The little speed option was awesome. Yeah. I mean, and they did it multiple times. So like, I think Chip Kelly is

very good at what he does. And like the thing that we have to remember too, is that we're talking about a man who, while at UCLA was viewed as, you know, one of the masterminds of how to design run offense, you know? So the fact that Ohio State was a little bit worried about, you know, what it could do with behind that offensive line. I think he did a good job of designing plays that took some pressure off that line. Also, too, adding the Will Howard run game, designed run game, which, you know, came into play on that final drive, you know, giving Ohio State an extra blocker and weaponizing the mobility of their quarterback in order to, you know, move the sticks for those crucial 4- and 5-yard gains that are at the end of the game, I thought was really well done too.

Yeah, now, okay, you came away with a different feeling about James Franklin. I'm going to give you a different take about James Franklin in Penn State than, oh, he can't win the big one, blah, blah, blah. This game was lost in the offseason. can't win the big one, blah, blah, blah. This game was lost in the off season. This game was lost when they let Keandre Lambert Smith walk and they didn't go get a difference making receiver in the portal and do not say Julian Fleming here because you had a body of work from Julian Fleming in the big 10. You knew what that looked like.

You should have overpaid for a receiver in the portal because imagine if you'd had one. Because think about, until that deep shot down the right sideline to Tyler Warren, and then the next little toss to Tyler Warren that got another 30 something yards, what was their longest play from scrimmage? Was it like 15 yards?

Well, they hit that one for Tyler Warren. They don't have any buffeting dynamic other than Tyler Warren. And if you're the defense. They don't have any buckets of hearts. Well, they hit that one. You don't have any bucket dynamic other than Tyler Warren and if you're the defense, you just figure out where 44 is and and bum rush him. Yeah and 44 also isn't the

break a touchdown for 80 yards type of athlete like he's very gifted but that's not the person that you know spreads the field for you. So your take on James Franklin then, Andy, is you think it's okay to hammer him right now? Over that, I thought the in-game coaching was actually fine. And I was going to hammer him over the clock management at the end of the first half, but actually when I watched it back during halftime, I'm like, no, I understand why he did what he did. He let the clock run down

because if you don't get that fourth down, you are giving Ohio State the ball at a really advantageous spot, and you're going to probably give away points. They got it where they had to throw in the end zone. Their guy had the ball in his hands. He just got it taken away from him. Like, so I don't have a problem with that either. I thought James Franklin did a decent job of in-game coaching here. I thought where he lost the game was in roster management. Yeah. He should have gotten a dynamic receiver.

And I don't know, like Keandre Lambert Smith left and you can say, okay, well, you know, he's not exactly lighting it up for Auburn against Vanderbilt today. Okay, that's fine. You could have let him walk. Go over pay for somebody really good. Because that is the difference between winning this game and

losing this game and winning a game in the playoff and losing your first game in the playoff. Because when Penn State plays another really talented team like this, they're also not going to be able to move the ball vertically. They're going to have to rely on these little, you know, dink and dunk type things and their defense, which is fine against most opponents, but not fine when you get to where you're playing the best teams in the country. Yeah.

That should have been addressed. Well, the thing that's interesting to me, Andy, is Penn State has been a player away from beating Ohio State like six times in the last 10 years, right? Like this isn't like a new revelation and I think you're absolutely right. He should have been able to. But they knew that going into this. Yeah. This was a glaring, glaring flaw in an otherwise pretty great roster. Yeah and I'm with you on that. I think that that's a fair criticism. So the question I have with James Franklin, this is how I think. Is that good, right? Like we're not expecting Penn State to ever have as much talent as Ohio State does on their team, right? Like is that a fair thing to think or do you think

Penn State should be situated talent wise the same way Ohio State is? I think they should be close but I understand why Ohio State would usually have more. I'm saying they're playing the standard of the Big Ten for the last 20 years, a team that has accumulated talent at a way, at a clip that only Alabama and Georgia and Clemson at their height could match. So why is the bar for Penn State success, whether or not they can beat the jug or not that is supposed to be better than them? Like in this world, like as we are going into this 12 team playoff, like Penn State season is far from over and they played a tough, closely contested game at home

and lost by seven to a team that we thought was gonna win the national championship this year. It's like, how much can your brain actually change your thought of like what the think of James Franklin when you just lose to a team that has more good players? I don't think he's a bad coach. Like I don't, I'm not saying of James Franklin when you just lose to a team that has more good players. I don't think he's a bad coach. Like I don't. I'm not saying fire James Franklin. I'm saying James Franklin, the next time you have this situation, which is gonna be this offseason, go get some receivers.

But I just feel like James Franklin has put Penn State exactly where it's supposed to be. Like this is a team that's probably still going to remain in the top 10. But that's not where Penn State fans want to be. They care, they, Penn State fans care just as much about football as Ohio State fans do. Oh sure, I'm not saying that they don't. That's not my point at all. But I don't know if the ultimate judgment of James Franklin comes down to whether or not they are good enough to beat Ohio State. I don't think that's rational. I think you have an eight in one team that is most assuredly, you know, from the path that they have moving forward, probably going to make the playoff this year. And, you know, as much as I've lamented the fact that Penn State gets to get in now because of the expansion of it, like this is what they are. And if they go win a game or two in the playoff, and they have a chance to do that, I think, isn't that exactly what Penn

State, like, aren't you achieving expectations? Like, what are your expectations? We have to like- As our producer River points out though, that's how we judge Ryan Day with Michigan. Aren't we saying the same things about Ryan Day with Michigan the last three years? Ryan Day's inability to beat Michigan the last three years is an underachievement. I think beating Ohio State is an overachievement for Penn State. Like, do you see what I'm saying? Like, it's not the same.

But I think it should just be an achievement. Penn State should be good enough to beat Ohio State some years. It shouldn't take 10 years every time Penn State beats Ohio State. Yeah. It shouldn't take that long. And I'm not saying that, and I'm not saying that like it's inexcusable

that it's not inexcusable that they've gone since 2016 because we are like coming up on a decade now. And boy, do I feel old, because I was at that game. I am saying that in this isolated season, with the team that Ohio State has and the team that Penn State has, Penn State's realistically not supposed to win. You know what I mean?

So when they don't, you don't learn anything new. Then they need to change that. They need to reframe your expectations by being better, by building a better roster. We're in the era where Vanderbilt can go get a quarterback and then go toe to toe with Alabama. You're saying Penn State, which has had really good rosters,

but not as good as Ohio State, can't get just a little bit better. I'm not even saying that they, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that I wouldn't, like, I don't feel like killing James Franklin over this. Like that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be held responsible. I'm not killing him over this game. I think he wasted an opportunity and well, maybe he didn't because he's going to get

another chance. Like, they're going to make the playoff. Let's talk about the playoff situation now. So let's look at Penn State's remaining schedule and. Washington Purdue, Minnesota, Maryland, they should win all these games. Now, obviously there are always weird November shockers, but they should win all these games at 11 and one with a seven point loss to Ohio State. You're probably riding that eight nine line. So you may have a home game or you may go on the road.

But that's a great opportunity and you're going to play a good team like you are going to play a very good team that is probably as good as you and probably not a whole lot better than you. In your projection here, did you going into what you were thinking on Sunday when you did this bracketology that's on the screen right now? Did you have that's from last week's results? Yeah. In this projection, was that a win over Ohio State? Yeah, well, it was it was thinking they might be I didn't know who's gonna win. But yeah, I probably should have put Penn State higher if they were gonna win. Because that would have you probably would have wanted Penn State at like five or six. Because they would probably be your big 10 runner up in that case. You know, it is kind of funny, but it is possible that Penn State's

medicine for losing today just means more games against really good Big 10 teams in the postseason, you know, against teams that they didn't play in the regular season. So, Yeah, we could see the Penn State Indiana game, like, Exactly, exactly. But yeah, like, I, I feel like if you even swapped the Ohio State and Penn State positioning nine and seven there, which I think would be rational after that game that like the results. Penn State much from that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I feel like the results of this game, though big and important to the individual like hearts of the Penn State fans doesn't really change much like Ohio State preserved itself, but I don't think Ohio Penn State lost to anything really. Now they have no margin of error moving forward because they can't finish 10 and 2 now, but they are still like exactly where the projections put them. So whenever like a team just goes from what are they, oh they're exactly what we projected them

to be, like I don't think that that's a failure. That's my only point. Like they are... I don't think they've failed. I think they've done pretty much exactly what they've been doing. I don't think they failed. I think they've done pretty much exactly what they've been doing. But I think that Penn State fans want more than what they've been doing. And they're frustrated with what they've been doing. Well, it's what I wanna throw at you

and I didn't get a chance to. I'm gonna just throw it at you. And I have to look this up. I might write about this. But what year did James Franklin get the 10 year God contract? Was it 21? Oh gosh, I don't even remember. I think it was 21 or 20. Yeah, I can't remember. It was around the melt. It was around

the pandemic. Yes. So at that time, when Penn State offered him this deal, wasn't Penn State like not even as good as they were today when they did that? No, they were not. They've gotten better. And that's, that's a good point, Ari. That is, because they have slowly gotten better. It was 20, Producer River, November 2021 gives us the info. They have slowly gotten better. So to your point, if this continues, they might get to where Ohio State is, especially with the way the sports changed. I mean, it also, we also spend a lot of time talking about how the expansion of the playoff is going to give more runway to more teams to play in high leverage games at the end of the year that everybody's going to be watching, which would in turn help recruiting. Like, if this is the first year of the 12 team era, and Penn State gets to benefit from that,

like has Penn State been given enough of an opportunity to get better without having the fruits of that labor? You can't spend the last two years or a year and a half talking about how much better the 12 team playoff is because more teams are going to get their shine without even letting it go through the first year and not anticipating that Penn State might benefit from this game or this season later on. Like that's the thing too. Now I'm thinking about this.

I'm thinking about my criticism here. Like all these players have agents now. Like agents wanna put their player in the best possible position. How many agents of good receivers, maybe at the group of five level or at a power conference team that is not

necessarily a playoff caliber team are going, hey, you know what we could do with you? We put you in happy Valley next year. And you could be a superstar because you could be the one who changes everything. Yeah. And it's a great place to be. You know what I mean? Like that's not a, and they had a quarterback, right? Like I thought Drew Aller played pretty well in that game. You know, considering- So our colleague Jesse Simonton is watching and he's written us a column here.

James Franklin has paid $10 million and he continues to underwhelm compared to his peers. The foundation of this team is the best recruiting class with a bunch of dudes headed to the NFL. If we're going to kill Ryan Day for just beating up on so many bad Big 10 teams, then Franklin deserves just criticism for failing to get it done again at home

against the beatable Ohio State team. James Franklin has paid $10 million a year commensurate with the results that he had when he signed that contract. And Mark Snoops has also paid about that much too. So it wasn't, that's the problem. I see what he's saying. Like, I'm not saying that like you're not, signed that contract. Mark about that much too. So he see what he's saying. Like like you're not like Penn

have a right to be upset o this keeps happening. You like it's a really, really But James Franklin has not a year to win the nationa want to know why? Because playoff in his entire care deal. They're okay with it. Eight or nine. They were okay with it. When you sign that deal, you're okay

with it. You want to know why? Because it's that same galaxy brain type scenario of just like, hey, if you got the wrong guy and it's not James Franklin, we could be six and six. And the fear of that, you know? And like, honestly, if you go back in time, like I think that what the administration wants and hopes for this Penn State football program is not in line with what the fans want. I think the fans do want them to beat Ohio State and win the Big Ten once every four to five years. I think that's a rational hope and it seemed like it was a potential, you know, possibility this year with the team that they had and the way that they started. But like at the same time too, you're playing a team that spent more than $20 million on their roster. Like two years of James Franklin salary to assemble the players he has to be.

Like there is like a Penn State players too though. Are you? No, I know. But they got people about football and they can spend money too. Like I, I'm tired of the excuses that, well, Ohio State does this and Penn State, Penn State can do that. They just have to decide they want to. So- I know, but in the world of NIL,

if you're criticizing a coach, Andy, don't you have to take into account who they're playing and what they are built with? If you're not, like like is it James Franklin's fault that Ohio State spent three times as much money as they did on the roster? Yes, it's his job to convince everybody at Penn State to do that.

Yeah, well, I mean, I guess if that's how deep you wanna get with it, then I'm with you. But, you know, I'm not gonna write a column about how he's not a good enough politician in the off season. Like that's like, you know, it's a hard thing to do. I'm gonna write a column about how he didn't build this roster to win a Big Ten championship and he needs to start doing that. How about that? How's that Brad? How about two Penn State columns after us?

Wow well shouldn't one of us praise Ohio State's offensive line? I feel like yes after I nail Ryan Day I should probably just I'll do that yeah okay that's fine well I'll be the homer. Let's shift back to Ohio State because we have talked about Ryan that. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. Well, I'll be the homer. Let's let's let's shift back to Ohio State because we have talked about Ryan Day. Yes. This was a good coaching job. Ryan Day, Chip Kelly. Good coaching job. I know you're you you say they should have figured this out before the Nebraska game. And they probably should have. But they still won that game. And now they're in a I felt like they're in a pretty

good position. Like they should be able to beat Michigan. I really can't wait to watch the Indiana game. I think it's going to be a lot of fun, but honestly, they could lose that game and still make the playoff. I, and I look at this Ohio State team with this roster, and if the offensive line is going to be good, like it was today, it is going to be a very tough out in the playoff. Yeah, so I was going to ask you.

Two questions, one perception and narrative, right? We we talk about this a lot. We know what the narrative of James Franklin is going to be. It was the narrative coming into the game and it will just continue. Ryan Day's is like this. I think that Ohio State fans hammer him more than casual fans. I think it's very easy. Like James Franklin is at a place right now where casual fans who don't root for Penn State are actually making fun of him.

Yeah, casual fans can't imagine being upset with the amount of success Ryan Day has had. Ohio State fans do because their standard is justifiably absurdly high. So my question that I have back to you, Andy, is does he? Where were you? Because I'm the one who wrote the column, I never got your opinion on it. Where were you on my opinion last week of they haven't been good enough under his leadership from the beginning? And where are you after this game? I think it's a fair criticism. And I don't think you get an answer until the end of this season like Let's find out do they win the big ten? Let's find out do they advance deep in the play and I don't think they have to win it

I realize every says national championship or bust But the fact of the matter is once we get to the semis of this tournament It's gonna be really good teams playing really good teams, bounce of the ball, turnover lock, all that. So it's like I said, when Kirby Smart didn't have a national title yet, you keep going. You keep getting bites at the Apple. You keep getting cracks at it. You're doing your job.

You're doing it correctly, and you're going to break through. And that's how I feel about Ryan Day. Like, you keep getting bites at the Apple, you will gonna break through. And that's how I feel about Ryan Day. Like you keep getting bites at the apple, you will eventually break through. Yeah. Okay. How many bites do you get? That was that's that's the next question. I guess it doesn't matter. That's the question. And like, John Cooper got his answer. That was a very different era of college football.

I don't know that he would have gotten that many bites in this era. But yeah, because the fact is Ohio State has never been bad, no matter who the coach was. So if you're feeling like that person's not giving you what you want, you probably are safe in thinking that the next person might. Because it's been four years. Like it's not like it's a year of bad, you know, result.

Like, I mean, it's been four years. They haven't been bad. They've been right there. No, but not being bad isn't the standard. I know. Yeah. But they might still listen. This team that we saw today that made great improvements on its offensive line.

When it had to for a huge game to win on the road. Got to win, and it might win a national title because that was my next question. Question to Andy was, does your perception of Ohio State's ability to win the national title issue change after that? Yes, because I saw the offensive line play really well without Josh Simmons. And that's the thing, like, I didn't appreciate truly how important he was to this team. And smart people like you who follow Ohio State very closely, and the people who cover the team said when he went out against Oregon, like this is a bad, bad deal. And I didn't appreciate it fully enough. And I certainly appreciated it watching the Nebraska game. I was like, Oh my God, this is this is bad. But now what I saw today, Penn State's got a really good defensive front. Penn State's got a really good defensive front. What Ohio State put on the field today could go toe to toe

with most of the defensive fronts that they're gonna see in the playoff. Mm-hmm. Like. And that's not accounting for improvement that you would have naturally over the course of time. Correct, as you know, playing. And with this, this five's only been together for a week.

Like. Yeah. And you know, playing your best offensive lineman that's not injured out of position is a rough look, but you know, playing your best offensive lineman that's not injured out of position is a rough look, but you know, he could be playing really well by the time they're playing games in January. I didn't think it was a rough look for him. They had to help him out with one of the best players in the country. Like, yeah, when if they have to play George in the playoff and he's got to deal with Michael Williams, guess what? Even first round tackles

get help with Michael. So I was going to ask something else and I just lost it. So just talk for a second. It'll come back to me. Oh, I will. I will vamp. No. Oh, I got it. I got it.

Did Ohio State just punch its ticket to the playoff or do you still think it needs to beat Indiana? Oh, that's a good. I think it. I think so. If you've got to win on the road against the playoff team, because you and I know we again, we will not know until Tuesday night what the committee thinks of anything, because we have not seen the committee deal with this

yet. So we don't know exactly how they're going to treat this stuff. But I do think they like quality wins, at least we've least we've seen that in the past, that they care more about quality wins than losses, and they care more about who you beat than who you lost to. And so, beating Penn State on the road, if this Ohio State team ends up here with a win against a Penn State team that finishes 11 and one, yeah, I think that they would, that would carry them

even if they're 10 and two. Yeah, yeah. Cause I thought there was a chance like people were saying that if, and I was saying that if Ohio State were to lose to Penn State today, then they would have a really solid chance to make the playoff, but it's not a guarantee. But you are kind of just flipping the games now because now they're going to play Indiana and Indiana is, you know,

if you lose to Indiana, you might be losing to a 12 and 0, 12 and 1, 13 and 0 team, depending on, because Indiana would make the big 10 championship game. And we need to talk about that because this does we think clarify the big 10 championship game picture because Oregon keeps winning they're in it and if Ohio State keeps winning they're in it and if Indiana keeps winning they're in it. That's right yeah so it does it does make that a little easier to figure out. Yeah, Indiana is actually losing to Michigan State with five minutes left in the first quarter.

Three nothing and Michigan States in the red zone. So well, that game is for a spittoon Ari. So yeah, big stakes. I think that like I'm just getting this feeling in Miami. Miami ended up pulling it out, but I was watching the Miami game at the same time as the Ohio State Penn State game. And it just feels like today's got that feeling about it.

Like I think that we've got more stuff coming out of the pipe. I'm watching the end of Vanderbilt Auburn right now and Vandy's up 17-7 with 2.26 to go. Auburn's trying to drive down the field and desperately try to score. There's some stuff in the air. Now I realize I picked Vandy in this game because Diego Pabia beat Auburn at Auburn last year

with New Mexico State. But still, this was not the way I thought it would play out. And I thought the Ohio State Penn State game did play out. We said, I think you said it in our pick show, you said this under feels really good. And that's exactly what we saw. The under should not have hit in this game. Like if you were, no, no, you had a ball

fumbled over the pile on you had, it looked like the touchdown that turned into an interception in the end. Yeah. Those are all six. Yeah. There's a lot of things there that, you know, the under was not

Didn't wasn't supposed to come out to play today But yeah, it was a good win for Ohio State And I think you know the thing that stinks about Ohio State schedule is now you got to wait three more weeks before they play somebody else with a pulse But for the time being I think they should feel pretty good about their positioning and you know Hopefully they can take a deep breath and you And you know how nice Ryan Day is. It's like maybe he can just like not feel like he's gonna keel over for a week. I cannot imagine being the sky of relief

that he must have been feeling when he finally got into the tunnel there. So yeah. Auburn just missed a field goal by the way. Are we gonna sit right here and wait? I think we do a separate video if we want to do that We can we can talk about that. We just have a half of an episode on this reaction So let's watch the end of this game and we can discuss whether or coming back. It was a big big game

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