Andy & Ari On3 - Oregon TAKES DOWN Ohio State | Penn State SURVIVES USC | Florida GIVES IT AWAY at Tennessee

Episode Date: October 13, 2024

Wendy’s New Saucy Nuggs take the Crispy and Spicy Nuggs you love and turn them up to 11.Choose between flavors like Buffalo. Honey BBQ. Garlic Parm. Or, if you’re a real heat seeker,try Spicy Ghost Pepper, only on Wendy’s signature Spicy Nuggs.(0:00-18:29) Intro - Ohio State LOSES to Oregon(18:30-23:50) Tennessee grinds out a win in OT vs Florida(23:51-26:16) Wendy's Saucy Nuggs(26:17-36:03) Ole Miss loses in OT at LSU(36:04-38:53) Overall Landscape of CFP race(38:54-41:57) Big 12 Roundup, BYU & Iowa State win(41:58-45:53) Alabama escapes vs South Carolina(45:54-48:45) Ari's mini rant(48:46-55:55) Texas Blasts Oklahoma(55:56-58:27) Assessing Georgia after Miss State win(58:28-1:03:37) Penn State's BIG road win at USC(1:03:38-1:05:03) Iowa scored 40!(1:05:04-1:07:26) Is Vanderbilt a wagon?(1:07:27-1:07:51) Army wins(1:07:52-1:16:44) Conclusion Andy and Ari watched Texas destroy Oklahoma on Saturday, but the better games were elsewhere. The big one was in Eugene, where Dan Lanning notched his biggest win as Oregon's head coach as the Ducks beat Ohio State 32-31 to take command in the Big Ten race. But Penn State also remained undefeated after beating USC in overtime. Andy and Ari also break down... Ole Miss at LSU Florida losing to Tennessee in overtime after blowing multiple opportunities to score. Iowa State remaining undefeated by winning at West Virginia BYU hammering Arizona to stay undefeated Alabama barely surviving South Carolina Vanderbilt winning again -- this time at Kentucky And much more! Watch us on YouTube here! https://youtube.com/live/w0Uh0can8rs Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey

Welcome to Annie and Ari on three as always presented by Wendy's. We are, we're not even done with this night. We, uh, we got LSU furiously trying to come back on Ole Miss. Ari, we got Kansas State and Colorado going at it out in Boulder in a very big, big 12 game. And we have, of course, the the ducks partying in eugene this is where you talk oh it's where i talk i was thinking about setting the fireplace behind us get the mood um you know i don't know did you well something just happened in the lsu omiss game involving mason taylor maybe that's what what got you transfixed but yeah well there's a lot happening here, Andy.

What a day. It wasn't as nuts as last weekend, right? The results of the games weren't as out of the blue, crazy, didn't expect it. One almost was. One almost was. But didn't get that way. But we learned a lot, I think. I think we need to start in Eugene. Yes.

Because Dan Lanning got his first signature win. And you know what I was thinking? The first game of 2022. Yeah. That Georgia game. Yes. They lost 49-3. Mm-hmm.

And it was just like a former Georgia coach playing against the Georgia team that he helped win the national title the year before. And they just got boat raced to the point where they probably should have ran a running clock in the second half yes and it was a case of this is how far you have to go exactly right and you learn when you take a job what you need to do and what how far you have to traverse to get to this point and then there's been a lot of losses along the way with van landing right andy like people have coming into this game the two washington games and i will say there were moments in this one where it felt like the first washington last year because like that that first washington game last year there were there were three fourth down calls all three of them i think based on the book you know the analytics book yeah we're correct

go for it calls but he didn't get any of them and he had a few tonight where it was like okay it's just you got to get one of these one of these and they did they got a fourth down later in the game now you and i were laughing because at the very end we thought oh it's fourth down he's not going to go for this right and then we see the kicker come on in the field It's like, okay, thank you. Yes, kick the field goal here, please. Yeah. But the point I want to make, though, is that, like, in this game tonight, Andy, they're playing against a team that I think, still think,

is the most talented, deepest roster in college football. Yeah, it's the best constructed roster. Best constructed roster. That doesn't mean best team. Best constructed roster. And through all those trials and tribulations that Oregon has had, the questioning of whether or not he can win a big game, all that stuff, I think that that was part of the building process.

Because this game isn't going to win or lose you a national championship, but what it does do is instill a confidence and a perspective in your roster, your followers, and your program that you have made it to the place that you were so far away from two years ago. Maybe it took losing to Washington. Maybe it took losing to Washington again. You know what I mean? But to get to this point, to beat this Ohio State team, which we'll get to, think they're going to have to play again, to get to this point at home, and also to leave a lot of points on the field right like yeah they

missed an extra point they missed the two points they have an interception that i don't think you know they got called in their direction wasn't a great perfect game but it was a two it was a game that might not get the fanfare that the alabama georgia game got a few weeks ago but i think that it's possible that we did just watch it It was a couple of superpowers going at it. Two superpowers going at it on TV. Now, the entire country I don't think is going to cling to it the same way because I think that there was just a perception issue with these two teams because they've lost a lot of big games the last few years.

But I do think that we're going to see them again, and we're going to see them in a game that is going to tell us who might win the national title this year. Well, in a battle of two veteran quarterbacks who've both been other places, who've won a lot of games at other places. Dylan Gabriel, 23 of 34, 341 yards, two touchdowns. He was spectacular. He also ran for 32 yards. Will Howard, 28 of 35, 326 yards, two TDs.

But the veteran should have known better at the end of the game they have a timeout he takes off running he slides too late clock runs out and that was and you saw the look on his face like i know better i know better than that yeah and he just he didn't do it and the time ran out and the game was over and so it was everything you'd want in a clash of fifth-year senior quarterbacks though like they were both awesome yeah yeah i think that uh you know you don't want that mistake but from the oregon perspective like cannot say enough because i came into this game if you go back and listen to our shows this week guys i thought ohio state was going to win and win comfortably i i let's let's shut out oregon's offensive line here because it felt like when

jordan james got the ball he had three or four yards of running space before he touched anybody and if he broke a tackle he was going for a while and i thought that was the part i was a little worried about what it was how would they hold up against a really great ohio state front seven and guess what they looked very much at home and that's a group that had been maligned this year because remember they struggled against idaho they struggled against boise state they couldn't find the correct five they couldn't find the right combination well now they feel like they got the right combination yeah you know and the skill position talent on both sides, too. Incredible. I mean, Evan Stewart broke three.

I think we learned a lot about Denzel Burke tonight, the Ohio State star cornerback. He had a rough outing, but it doesn't mean that he stinks. It means that they're facing a team in the Big Ten again. Yeah. When's the last time Ohio State faced a team in the Big Ten that had the same type of skill talent? It's been so long.

I mean, I guess Michigan last year, michigan was just better on the lines yeah i don't think that michigan had the skill talent that oregon has this year and they won the national title um so you know their receivers jeremiah smith nine receptions for 100 yards he had that opi at the end of the game that might have cost him and that's one of those like they said oh you know freshman mistake he just he just bodied the dude and maybe he's not used to being that much. I'm sure he's used to being that. He's always that much stronger than people, but he's doing it in college. By the way, touchdown LSU pending extra point.

We could see overtime in Baton Rouge. This is why we started this thing. Cause this, this might be the night that never ends. You might be with us until about three in the morning. And Kansas state just scored two to go up by seven against colorado so we've got ball here um so do you want to have the ryan day discussion i guess we have to we have to i'm looking in the chat and well before before we have the ryan day discussion because i think the ryan day discussion is very serious and let's let's inject a little levity here okay Let's talk about our guy Merrick because our guy Merrick tweeted at us the other day

and warned us. He said, I got to go to a wedding. My wife has said you cannot watch any games. How dare you? Do not watch any games. Do not embarrass me. The tweet is on the screen. I'm attending a wedding tomorrow and last night

I received a preemptive scolding that I cannot watch games on my phone during the ceremony and or reception. Got to hand it to my wife for thinking ahead, but there's no way in hell I'm following that. Spoiler alert, Merrick had to follow that. Now he's posting updates to us by tweeting under the table. He did not know what happened in the early games because he asked friends for updates and they sent him nothing. Your friends are terrible, Merrick. Merrick merrick at no point were you able to go to the

bathroom and just open up the espn app pal like what come on think on your head i would have been on the toilet with a stomach issue yeah at some point you definitely need a fake diarrhea why why are you not allowed to watch the games in any moment? Can't you just break for five minutes? Producer River, let's throw some of Merrick's other tweets up. He says, it feels like I wasn't invited to a party while at a party. And then he said, this is what death must feel like. Let's move on to the father of the bride speech.

Nope. Nope. Okay. We had vodka. Here we go. The father of the bride speech nope no no okay we had vodka so here we go the father of the bride is giving a speech my wife just texted me not to leave organ is winning now and i'm happy about it drinking old fashions and as hot to go comes on he finds out organ one so everybody on the dance floor h-o-t-t-o-g-o i don't know how to do the dance uh yeah i i just have never been that person that would have the discipline to record things shut my phone off and then just watch it later i don't think merrick's recording this i think merrick i'm saying slowly dying inside you know but he'll get to enjoy uh the highlights and hopefully the show tonight.

Balls lover one. The wife would have to go if I was told I couldn't watch college football. Balls lover one. You could be in a very different headspace right now, given the events of tonight. So don't make any grand statements quite yet. I get a lot of what's called the PPLs. That's a post-party lecture and a pre-party lecture. I get both. It's supposed to be a post-party lecture and a pre-party lecture. I get both. It's supposed to be a post-party lecture about why it behaved inappropriately

and pre-party lecture to stop me from behaving inappropriately, which I've always failed to do. Ari, be less yourself. Yes. These are people that I don't want you to embarrass me in front of. And I was like, then why did you marry somebody who would embarrass you? And around and around we go for the last five years. But thankfully, she would never tell me you can't watch or look at the sport.

But she also understands that. It's a job. She does get really upset with me when I am too locked in on NFL Red Zone and fantasy football on Sunday. So, yeah, I do get it. But, yeah, well, I hope he had a good time. He had some booze. He had some fun. You know, sounds like he's an Oregon fan. So good for him. Yeah, either he's an Oregon fan or he's had some booze he had some fun uh you know sounds like he's an Oregon fan so

good for him yeah either he's an Oregon fan or he's just a fan of chaos and in general and I love it I'm all for it uh Merrick I hope that the reception is at least over or they're playing let's get it on everybody's cleaning up so you can at least go watch overtime in Ole Miss LSU let's not maybe maybe. 13 seconds to go. Ole Miss lining it up. We will see what happens. But while that's going on, because I think there's going to be a coin toss and everything.

Let us have the Ryan Day discussion. Anthony in the chat says $20 million roster and can't go 15-0 like Michigan did last year. That's true. This doesn't mean they're out of the national title hunt, but losing the game this way this doesn't mean they're out of the national title hunt but no that's not the discussion losing the game this way is why we're having the discussion okay so it is funny to me that the ohio state roster is more expensive reportedly than the entire detroit tigers

payroll yeah uh if you think about well there was one pitcher for the astros that cost more than the entire titus payroll so um so i've been very hard on ryan day the last few years yes if you go read the columns that i wrote about him after the michigan games like i was like this is unbelievable like you know unacceptable and when you are playing against michigan i think the standard to win that game is higher than it is in other games not that ohio state doesn't expect to win these games or demand to win these games but i don't feel like down on him after this one for some reason like it's it's two good teams right that i anticipate will be in the national championship discussion you go on the road yeah and they have dudes everywhere too and you lose by a point and had a chance to win at the

end now eventually you have to have that discussion of when is the should have had a chance games going to turn into wins because the georgia game they should have they had a chance they could have right the almost and we're actually going to have this discussion in another way about a different coach later in the night but so Ryan Day is a different story. So in my perspective on the show coming into the week, Andy, I said that I thought Ohio State was going to win this game comfortably because I think that what has happened the last few years with Michigan has altered our perspective on how to view this team. Right. altered our perspective on how to view this team right i thought they were a juggernaut and we're going to be the clear and above best team in college football in a year where there was one that hasn't asserted itself well and now you're saying okay so will they go to state college and

win i don't know no that doesn't change oh you still think no no i think that they're going to play oregon again in the big 10 championship game but you gotta be gotta beat the Hoosiers first yeah they do I'm stuck in the middle between when are you finally just gonna do it and you lose to a really good team on the road two time zones away in the last second when your quarterback slides with time like it's like you can get really angry and I think it's yes well if Will Howard slides a second earlier they can call time out kick a field goal and maybe they would have made it. It would have been tough. But post Georgia flashbacks, if they had to kick one that was 50 yards away or whatever.

But I'm stuck in the middle between like, is this a slam your fist on the table? Ryan Day can't get it done. And I know that he has a really bad record against top five opponents. So, yeah, one in seven. So like that is a thing. And a lot of times the three of those are Michigan, which is even worse. Dan Lanning got his one on that column tonight. Like, cause he couldn't get over that hump.

Yeah. But now that he's over the hump, like he gets past that, right? Right. Like here's the deal with Ohio state. Like you can spend all your time right now. If you're an Ohio state fan, like getting mad at Ryan day and saying he stinks and can't win the big game but the truth of the matter is is that he's going to be judged at the end of the year with the accumulation of what has occurred here and he's going to have other more important opportunities yeah at the end to win

that game and if he doesn't win them at the end, then we can have that discussion, but losing a game that doesn't, I put them number three in my top 10, Andy, like nothing at all about their season has changed other than the fact that you have this in the back of your head of like, well, maybe Ohio state isn't what we thought they were from a roster standpoint, which may or may remember remember what i said when we were picking this game and you said no way you should go with oregon and i said i'm taking oregon to cover i didn't necessarily think they're going to win i like i remember distinctly saying when ohio state got held to a field goal at the end i was like oh oregon's in the cover zone not thinking they're going to be able to come down the field and kick a field goal to take the lead. But my big question with Ohio State as it pertained to this game was we have not seen them at all against teams

that have anywhere near their talent, much less equal talent. And I guess maybe that's just a mistake that I make. I make it all the time. But when they play Penn State later, if they play Oregon again, if they play somebody in the playoff of alabama or somebody like that they might be a different team at that point because they'll have played against teams of their caliber a couple times you know and too like you are relying on

guys like jeremiah smith with the game on the line and he has this experience now like i don't know that i look at this ohio state loss and go they cannot win the national title anymore like it's just like it's so a part of our sport now where losing and learning from it is a part of it like every single loss the first 14 playoff they learned from the virginia tech but like andy like i when i covered this team for 10 years, every single time they lost, it felt like a funeral. And it's going to feel like that in Columbus and in the great state of Ohio tomorrow.

I'm not saying that people aren't sad. And the Browns suck, too. But it doesn't even really knock them off the track of going to Indianapolis. And that's the game they have to win. If they play Oregon again, they didn't have to win this the game they have to win. Right. Like if they play Oregon again, they didn't have to win this one.

They have to win that one. As producer River points out, if, if JJ Smith is not called for OPI. Yeah. Well, they kicked the field goal and, and we were talking about Harrison's head.

Didn't get right. Yeah. I know. Georgia game. And I know you got to win those. If we held Michigan, we are going to an extra second. They would have won last year. Like've got to win those. If they held Michigan's defensive line an extra second, they would have won last year.

You've got to stop with the ifs. We're going to have another discussion about that with another coach. Actually, you want to have that discussion now? Sure. Where are you at, though? I told you how I felt, but how do you feel? Did anything about the Ohio State loss tonight, did you learn anything or change your perspective?

I feel like I learned more about oregon i agree that's that's what i feel like and and if ohio state plays a team of equal caliber again i feel like ohio state will be a little more ready i think oregon got the benefit of getting beaten up a little bit by ashton gentry and like who better to prepare you for trevion henderson and and quinshawn Judkins than Ashton Jenty, who is better than both of them? Yeah, and it's just like another lesson in a long scale of lessons of like, what you see on a scoreboard a month ago does not matter at all.

Like they were in a one possession game with Idaho in the opener. And it's like, yeah, mean anything at all. Well, it helped them get where they were because the offensive line experimentation that had to happen for them happened because they struggled against idaho and because they struggled against boise state and ohio state did not struggle at all so it didn't have to think about maybe we should tweak this maybe we should change this now i don't know that ohio state needed to change anything now they're gonna have to deal with offensive line issues because they had their left yeah that's an important thing that we have to know like josh simmons is going to be out for

the year probably or it looks like it uh ryan day said in his post game show that or interview that he uh it's not looking good for his return right we'll see um but if you're a buckeye fan you know how critical I can get. Relax. It's going to be okay. Like, there's going to be other opportunities and other games that matter more than this one. And they will have a better chance, in my opinion, of winning those games when those time. And if they don't, then we'll have the Ryan Day discussion of what's wrong with him.

But I don't know that we're there yet. No, we're not there yet, but let's talk about another coach who, if you'd have told me before tonight, how this game would play and not exactly how that, but what the final score would be, the fact that it would go to overtime, the fact that his team would be in it all the way. I would've been like,

Oh, Billy Napier really helped himself. Yeah. I think what happened to Billy Napier and Florida at Tennessee, losing in overtime the way they did, is worse than if they'd lost by 50. Because of the way it was managed, especially at the end of the first half,

like losing that field goal because you had 12 men on the field, which is the 12 men on the field in special teams has been plaguing the Gators for the entirety of Billy Napier's tenure. It is wild to me that that's really how they lost. And then you had fourth and an inch, and you don't just run your 240-pound quarterback up there. We can thought exercise this. Okay, so let's thought exercise it.

If you lose 55 to 10, then that means that your entire build of your program sucks. Right. Right. Which is what we were thinking after the Miami and A&M games. Right. Yeah. So that is a thing.

Like we can't ignore that. Right. That said, if you're playing against the Tennessee team that we're finding out a ton about, I thought this team could win the national title. It doesn't look like they're going to even make the playoff potentially. It's been a long two weeks. It's been a long two weeks in college football. But if you're playing this team to overtime on the road, you're doing all right. You're doing okay from a program.

This was the best florida's defenses looked i'm in years like literally years but then here's when it gets bad like yeah they made every single imaginable mistake they should have been up 24 nothing i think and 17 nothing if i'm being. The mistakes that they made were coaching mistakes. Yes. So on that hand, it's like, bro, your entire livelihood is on the line here. You can put yourself in a position where people are like, oh, okay. All right, maybe.

Maybe he's our guy. You can start to win back people. If they would have won this game, he would have put himself in a position, in my opinion, where people might have been like, okay, well, let's give him a little bit more of a shot. Not saying he could have saved his job. I think they would have been more open to being like, okay, well, let's see how they do again. And to lose this game, a game that you weren't supposed to be in to begin with, I think it was a 14-point spread with too many men on the field and targeting and fumbling on the goal. They owe all these different things. That's right. They got called for an illegal crack back block.

Yeah. On a touchback. Yeah. And then the guy got called for targeting. Yeah. So, um, you know,

the Billy Napier saga is, it feels like it's just an inevitability right now. Uh, and I just feel for the guy cause i like watch him on the sideline and the look on his face when they told him about the 10 second runoff yeah at the end of the first half and he realized they were not going to get to re-kick that field goal it was one of the saddest looks i've ever seen well here's here's the thing too we didn't even mention this but graham mertz got injured he got hurt he's gone he's out so if you wanted to see DJ Lagway good well it's not good it's congratulations you're going to see him well and you did when he

threw a strike across the middle yes he also threw a pick at 17 first series after Mertz's injury but like playing with Tennessee with your freshman quarterback that you brought here and that guy forces overtime I'd say Lagway outplayed nico when he was yeah i mean and like i think i'm at the point i'm sure you are too though you can just like look into the camera and be like yeah dj lagway's really good he's really good and i don't know if it's gonna be at florida yeah he's a really good he's really we're not done talking can we also say that maybe we were a little early on the nico hype train and maybe we need to slow that down yeah i mean i don't know if that's,

you know, a freshman still finding his way or, you know, cause he does throw the most beautiful ball. I mean, like I'm not going to give up on his, but he misses wide open receivers with that beautiful ball, which Tennessee fans are used to that.

They saw that all last year too. They did. Yeah. So now maybe, but maybe that's because he's young and maybe he, he works his way out of that I will say I just this is just from watching tonight and a little you know watching what I could see of the the Arkansas game while I was trying to cover Florida UCF last week it does seem like

when they throw on first down things work better for him I don't know if that's but that's not really how that offense is supposed to work that offense is supposed to be handed to dylan sampson he's going to gain four or five yards if you got a light box then you throw uh so they gotta they gotta figure out what's going to work for them but they did they did win and that was huge for them because two consecutive losses with alabama coming to town next week would have been disastrous. Yeah, absolutely. And you still have hope that they can look a little bit better and feel a little bit better about themselves. Tennessee was a top three team for me a few weeks ago.

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Yeah, no, we got it. Hayden Davis. That's his name. Hayden. We're back. Sorry. Hayden Davis just kicked a 57 yard field goal to put Ole Miss up three in overtime number one Ari we're going to talk about Alabama we'll get to to Ole Miss and LSU when we get a final on this game but again this you know if Ole Miss can pull this out it's one of those maybe they've figured out how to

grind it out kind of situations but yeah well in this season andy yeah just going on the road and winning by one in overtime or by one in regular any win that oms can get no matter how i think it won there's a look of relief on lane kiffin's face i i you know we can't show the video but i will uh i will approximate yeah so lsu's got the ball now so we'll talk about that because we may be having a completely different conversation about that let us talk about another sec team alabama re should not have beaten south carolina on saturday so like south carolina left a lot of points on the field they dropped touchdown pass probably which might have been a touchdown pass in the first half

but made quite a few mistakes lost a lot lot of fumbles. They could have won this game in a lot of different ways, and Alabama very lucky to escape with a win. I'm trying to come up, Andy, with – Touchdown, LSU. That's it. That's it. LSU just beat Ole Miss. Okay, first play.

All right, sorry, guys. Oh, that was unbelievable. Yeah, no, I was thinking about Ole Miss and all the money. Let's table the Alabama discussion. Let's talk Ole Miss now. They're coming on the field at Tiger Stadium. We said coming into this, this feels like a playoff elimination game simply because both teams have such hard schedules the rest of the way that we can't envision either one running the table

mm-hmm Ole Miss probably has the easier of the two schedules but again they have to play Georgia they do they have to play at Arkansas they have to play Oklahoma well we saw Oklahoma we'll talk about that later but I just can't see them running the table. Meanwhile, LSU, suddenly they are vaulted back into discussion. Yeah, we did talk earlier a few weeks ago about three loss SEC teams and the potential of one of those making it. And Ole Miss' schedule just does not line up for the reason that they decided to go all in on this team. They weren't supposed to have two losses yet.

Yes. The reason why they wanted to go all in on this team is because they brought a lot of people back and they had a manageable schedule the bad news is is that when you lose two games with the manageable schedule if you lose to georgia there's nothing they're lifting you up like what win are they going to have yeah like i think that aside from running the table which would include a win over georgia i don't want to say they're completely eliminated but you have to suspend the leaf here and and just give them a win over Georgia to put them in it. But they can't get there unless they beat Georgia.

I also don't think at Arkansas is a gimme. No, no. But the thing that's tough about the Arkansas game is that they have to go win it, but they won't get the commensurate credit for doing it if they do. No, they won't get it. But I think just having to win it is going to be difficult. Did I use that word correctly? Commensurate credit for doing it if they do no they won't get but i think just having to win

it is going to be difficult i use that word correctly commensurate commensurate commensurate so remember arkansas shut this same offense down last week against tennessee it's the same offense so i don't know it's it's very very interesting what's going on here. This is not how the script was written all offseason, and I'm glad for that. And again, we had our friend Chris Bonini from The Athletic was visiting with us tonight, and we were watching the fans storm the field at Autzen, and Chris and I were laughing at Ari like, see, I think it still matters even with a 12-team playoff. I think it still matters at LSU even with a 12-team playoff because they are having a party. They're going to owe some money. They're going to have to pay Ole Miss money now. What do you think this countertop is made out of?

Some sort of silestone. Do you think it's harder than my skull? Probably. Because whenever anybody acts like people having a good time or rushing the field means that the result of the game matters, I want to slam my head into it. It does matter. Okay. Because if it didn't matter, they just get up and walk home. I'm just saying,

those are two separate things. They are very much the same thing. Like football, the result of the game has no material impact on the outcome of the season. Can't those two things exist at the same thing like football the result of the game has no material impact on the outcome of the season can't those two things exist at the same time oh this had a very big impact on the outcome of Ole Miss's season oh but you were talking about Oregon like well and Oregon's too because now they know they know they know they know this game is not the same as the Ohio State Oregon game this game was a playoff game in my opinion this way this game is not the same as the ohio state oregon game this game was a playoff

game in my opinion this way this game was a playoff game you're absolutely and look lsu's not out of the woods like we said they're scheduled hard but this gives you a lot more confidence in what else you can do going forward what are we laughing at i'm just like laughing at the granite countertop thing uh i but like the oh this is a granite man this is this is something even fancier than granite oh yeah yeah you know i bet you don't even have to seal this. I bet this seals it. Yeah. That's electric.

The LSU win. That Kyron Lacey just snatching it out of the air. We spent a year, Andy, talking about Ole Miss and what they did to put together a roster that could win the SEC. We have not spent enough time talking about Ole Miss and what they did to put together a roster that could win the SEC. And we have not spent enough time talking about LSU's resurgence. Like this is a pretty important win.

Hey, they lost the USC and USC stinks. I owe you a thousand dollars. I don't know if I don't know if they stink. We can talk about it. No, they stink. No, they don't stink. Losing three times in six games is stinky. It's bad.

It's not great, Bob. Stinky, stinky. but but lsu okay new defensive staff same defensive players mostly they kevin peoples who our friend t-bob haber mentioned kevin peoples was widely revered for what he did with the edge rushers at missouri look at what he's done with those guys at lSU. Braden Swinson is awesome. Awesome this year. The fact that they can get pressure on the quarterback alleviates a lot of the stress on that back end, which is not what you expect from LSU. It's not loaded with first rounders

like it usually is. The fact that they can get after the quarterback makes life easier on those guys. This win now puts LSU firmly back onto the bubble. Oh, yeah. And if not in the bracket, I got to think about that in bracketology. Pretty big banger in College Station in two weeks. Because they're both going to be undefeated in SEC play at that point, I think.

So, and you had, if I remember correctly, A&M in your bracketology. I did. I did. So you do have some thinking. I do have some thinking, too, because both of them have a non-conference loss but have won all their conference games. So I can look at them, I think, fairly similarly. I can feel pretty similarly about A&M has played one more conference game than LSU has, but I'm still very impressed with both of them lsu has arkansas a and m on the road

and bama and back-to-back weeks oh there's a bye week between those two yeah then florida vanderbilt tricky vanderbilt in oklahoma but another another team that could be 10 and 2 and get in yeah um especially if ole miss keeps winning after this i don't know if they will, but if they do, that's a nice little feather in their cap. It's really amazing. In that game, it felt like Ole Miss controlled it for most of the way, but LSU just kept hanging around. Then when it got to the last touchdown and and you know forcing overtime it the momentum

felt like it was squarely on lsu's side but it is really hard to win a night game in tiger stadium that continues so i'm excited i'm excited to watch lsu the rest of the way and look olmos is not out of it yet but they have no more margin for error and they do have to play georgia so it feels like it but there's a chance they can pull you know in oxford pull off a miracle against georgia okay so we have to circle back to bama we also have to talk about georgia georgia beat mississippi state by 10 alabama almost lost to south carolina are you you asked me this question earlier today remember the question i'm gonna ask you asked a lot of questions today uh you asked me this question earlier today you remember the question I'm going to ask you so I asked a lot of questions today uh you asked me I can't remember which

if if team x beat team x who would you think were if South Carolina oh South Carolina beat Alabama who would be the the favorites to make it to the SEC championship game and I want to know if you still like say Alabama and Georgia at this point. Well, no, Texas and Texas. But what I meant was Alabama, Georgia as the replacement. No, I really don't feel that way. I think. And again, we don't know about Texas yet, but I'm feeling pretty good about it.

But we'll see Texas against Georgia next week and we'll have a little better idea. But if Georgia beats Texas next week, then it's all a giant mess. It's a mess. It's an absolute mess. And that might be what it is. It might be that everybody at the top is kind of good but also has some

flaws that can be exploited by a Vanderbilt or by an Arkansas or by a whoever. Yeah. And like the super team. The super team that dominated the 14 playoff field era. It's dead because it's like weird. You can't stack depth like that anymore.

You just can't. It's just weird. The absence of it. Well, we thought we thought it was in columbus we did and they went lost in eugene unless you think that oregon is that but oregon didn't recruit typically the same way that the super yeah i mean they're they're certainly a very talented roster and they feel like they belong in this discussion we're having with all these other teams but i don't look at them as the top-to-bottom, super-stacked, super-team.

Because it does kind of feel like we are at a place that I thought would be impossible three years ago, which is going into a college football season and there being 20 teams that legitimately could do it and having no idea who's going to win. And I don't know who's going to win the national title this year. Nope. and that's beautiful yeah that's great because i i do think this sets up it's not just it sets up a great national title game hopefully sets up a great tournament it should right it should set up a great quarterfinal it should set up a great semi-final like that's the thing we so rarely

would get did we ever get in the four team era? I'm trying to remember. Cause we had some years where there were two banger semifinals. Did we, there was always one blowout. I thought, no, no. The,

the peach bowl, the Estable year, Georgia, Ohio state and Michigan TCU. We got really good semifinals there, but got the horrible national championship game. And then we would get, you know,

the, the best, the best we could always do is two out of three because i'd say that the two best games in the same year were the georgia oklahoma rose bowl and the alabama beating georgia second and 26 game yeah in overtime but i i unfortunately had to cover the alabama clemson sugar bowl it was the other semi and that was a dog so we never got that we never got that and i i think that the odds of having more than three good games, I mean, we could have. Well, the reason we never got it is because it was such a lot of side spurs.

We have eight or nine good games. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know if we'll get to a point where we get the middle round of the playoff is going to be crappy, like when the teams that are at the lower tier, 10, have to go against one two and three but based on the way that the games are going in the regular season i guess there's no reason to believe that that's the case so scott of graywater watch i love it because farmageddon is going to be a really important game yes farmageddon is going to be a really important game k-state up on colorado

currently in the uh in the third quarter uh but that's a close game i don't know what's going to be a really important game k-state up on colorado currently in the uh in the third quarter uh but that's a close game i don't know what's going to happen there and iowa state is undefeated still top 10 after beating west virginia and morgantown so iowa state is legitimately a iowa type team and they've already beaten iowa they've beaten iowa they but they have good skill players they turned they turned iowa into what it is by beating them that way. But Iowa State is like Midwestern tough. Yeah. And they play the game like a Big Ten team, a Big Ten West team. But it would be like if Iowa last year had.

Like a good Big Ten West team. But if Iowa had like a really good receiver duo. Yes. I think that's. And a competent quarterback. Like Jaden Higgins. Like you didn't see. There was not a Jaden Higgins. You didn't see... There was not a Jaden Higgins in the Big Ten West most of the time.

Maybe Rondo Moore was at Purdue. I mean, is Higgins one of the leading receivers in college football this year? I think if you go look up the stats, they've got two receivers, I think, who have... Jalen Noel is very good, too. So they have guys. And we haven't even talked about Alabama

because so much is happening. But this 28-16 win for Iowa State, you know like this we haven't even talked about alabama because so much is happening but this 28 16 win for iowa state you know what if we're going to talk about how we don't know who's going to win the national championship then it's appropriate to start talking about teams that we haven't talked about a lot absolutely and like iowa state going on the road to west virginia in a game that in big 12 lore or expectations of Big 12 grab-ass unpredictability, three-point spread, three-and-a-half-point spread, they could have lost this game. And the same goes for BYU and Arizona.

You know, Arizona is a team that has beaten Utah and has a pulse and can pop up and surprise some people. You know, BYU came out of nowhere, and we were anticipating that both iowa state and byu were just ticking time bombs before they slipped up in this hodgepodge of a conference and both teams had convincing wins to continue to stay undefeated and both teams are top 10 teams in my byu crushed arizona yeah go read out their schedule now oh yeah so iowa state schedule by the way is not easy uh there's an iowa state texas Tech game in Lubbock, I believe, November 2nd, that I am very excited about.

But BYU's schedule, Oklahoma State at UCF, at Utah, Kansas, Arizona State, Houston. Now, if we had read this out at the beginning of the year, we'd have been like, uh-oh, Oklahoma State's going to be tough. UCF's going to be tough. Utah's going to be tough. They should win all of those. Now, obviously, the BYU-Utah game is a great rivalry. It's the Big 12.

They will be favored to win all of them. By three and a half points. Winning each individual one should be fine. Winning all of them is difficult. Probably not. But an 11-1 BYU making the Big 12 championship game with an 8-1 BYU making the Big 12 championship game with an 8-1 conference record. Nobody feels like that's out of question right now.

I mean, and that win over SMU in the non-conference too. Looks awesome. Looks awesome. So, yeah. So, like, snap of the fingers is what the kids do for, like, congratulating people. Snap of the fingers for Iowaowa state and byu you know because i just remember like men on film two snaps up in a circle yeah whatever but they're on the show you know i don't know how many minutes we are into the show here andy but we're talking

about iowa state and byu have before we got to alabama now we tried to start alabama but but frankly speaking maybe not not. Alabama's fascinating. Alabama's utterly fascinating. Kalen DeBoer wore a hoodie in 85-degree heat because people made fun of him for wearing a t-shirt. Do you know what I heard a lot today in the press box at the Red River game? What'd you hear? I think it's time to start considering whether or not Alabama is mid. I heard multiple people say that.

Are we considering whether Alabama is mid, as the young kids would say? As the kids say, yes. I don't think they're mid. I do. I think South Carolina's not bad. You do call South Carolina a tough opponent, no matter who they're playing every week because they don't think they're they usually are yeah i mean they get other than old miss they've given everybody problems yeah so i don't know that they're bad um but alabama

we just have to say what it is i can't remember a more confusing set of three consecutive results ever no like if you think about where we were two weeks ago think about think about where we were in the second quarter of the georgia game when they're up 28 to nothing yeah or just even after the game two weeks ago this saturday it was a game between two titans the winner and loser are definitely going to play each other in the sec championship again the winner and loser are both going to probably play each other in the SEC championship again. The winner and loser are both going to probably play each other in the playoff game. Those are the two best teams in college football playing against each other.

Fast forward two weeks, you have lost to Vanderbilt for Alabama. You have a near win or near loss, I should say, South Carolina. And then Georgia's beating Mississippi State by 10. So I don't know where my ass from my elbow right now. Uh, also Avery Johnson, uh, Andy pointed out while I was talking, just took a shot to the ribs in the Colorado game. Uh, and it's like, looks to be in a lot of pain. So we'll, we'll monitor that as we continue.

Yeah. I mean, we got so much to talk about. We may actually get through the end of this game. We're not careful. This has been just an absolutely crazy day the the alabama thing okay i don't think they're mid but do i think they'll just easily run through the rest of their schedule no i love that you're saying mid now because of me no i have teenagers do they say mid all the time actually i don't say anymore. They said mid like a year ago.

Alabama has to play Tennessee, Missouri, and LSU back to back to back. I know. And then they play Oregon and Auburn to close it out. I mean, they play Oklahoma. I mean, Oklahoma and Oregon. Yeah. Avery Johnson's going back to the locker room. Yeah.

So Alabama, Tennessee is going to be wild next week because if Tennessee's offense doesn't wake up, Alabama is going to be able to win this wild next week because if Tennessee's offense doesn't wake up, Alabama's going to be able to win this thing. But what if Tennessee's offense shows up? Well, you did come into the week saying that Ole Miss and LSU was an elimination game for the playoff. Alabama and Tennessee both have losses in the SEC. Elimination game?

Yeah. I mean, it kind of feels like like it although it would only be lost number two for alabama so uh i'm distracted lost for lost two for both of them yeah i'm distracted already because they've now gone to the local news in uh here in dallas and uh so they're just interviewing fans about their experience they're interviewing fans about having to drink a lot of water because it was very hot at the stadium. Like that is,

that is the bulk of what they could get out of that game. And this is just going to be an aside. We're going to be here all night. Yeah. We've been to press conferences

for 15 years. Me, 15. You, longer than 15. And there have been television reporters that go to these conferences, right? Yes. And they ask questions that a third grader would ask. And it's not because you longer than 15 and there have been television reporters that go to these conferences right yes and they ask questions that a third grader would ask and it's not because they're stupid

right it's because it's their job to get that story they have to get that particular sound and i'm trying to figure out why the news is catered to people like they're talking to them like they're 11 like why is they had to drink a lot of water because it's hot out of story right why wouldn't you just talk about texas beating the crap out of oklahoma like that would be more interesting what are people gaining from that it's hot yeah it was hot yesterday it's gonna be hot you live in dallas you know it's hot like are you teaching people that you have to hydrate when it's hot is that what that the segment is it's nuts it might be it every time and it's local television like why are no this is a massive market why are no uh local tv segments on the news even remotely interesting

i've i've wondered this for and who's watching it you got a deadly mobile home fire see that's important okay you got to tell people about what's going on in their communities yeah but these dumbed down weird stories that they do i mean have you ever like fallen asleep in the middle of the night to family guy or something and then woken up in the morning to the morning news and it's like next up a raccoon was found it's like the only thing i watch on broadcast tv is sports so i've got another mini rant can i do it yeah go ahead go ahead where this is this is the uh the hour break this is the break in the middle of because we still have maybe an hour to go so i have a ring camera oh no what am i i have a ring camera do you have one at your house of course and every time i'm a Oh, no. if this happens to you but like can type into the thing like notifications i don't share i don't

share anything with the fellow ring i don't know how to shut this off yeah but i get the whims of everybody who lives in my zip code with a ring camera i don't want to know that and i'll get like a notification just heard a firework or a dog saw a dog running around or you don't you do have next door don't you That's what that's for. What are these people doing? Listening for fireworks. Was that a firework or a gunshot? What are you doing?

And some of them, some of them are so you need to follow the best of next door Twitter account. You'll enjoy that. It's like people have nothing going on in their lives. Nothing. They don't. There's like people have nothing going on in their lives nothing they don't there are people who have nothing going on but but look i just saw a person walking down the street hopefully they like college football podcast okay i'm sorry i just like i get these notifications and i look at my phone and i'm just like anyone know what happened at larry smith elementary I just passed by and saw a fire truck. Like, is that useful? Maybe the firefighters were visiting the class.

I guess I just gave away my neighborhood. Larry Smith's a very common name, Ari. Yeah. So, all right. We got to talk about more football. Please don't do anything to me. Let's talk about the game we went into today. Yeah.

Texas and Oklahoma. So Oklahoma's defense comes out hair on fire, looking awesome. Quinn Ewers looks rusty. We're like, oh, the weirdness is happening. We got to eat deep fried ribs before this. We had a Korean corn dog with the hot Cheeto dust all over it. Electric. It was the first, you know,

few hours of the experience were unbelievable. And then Oklahoma's offense kept giving the ball back to Texas. And then the doors got blown off. And then poor Brent Venables. The game was kind of like the corn dog. The corn dog was delicious and invigorating at the beginning.

And then four bites into it, I was like, I'm going to pass out. I'm going to die. Like, I actually started, like, there it is. There it is. There's corn dog. That is the largest corn dog I've ever seen in my life. And I got to tell you, four or five bites into that thing, still no dog. It was just all cheese and flaming hot Cheeto.

Yeah, so there's melted cheese on the top of the dog. It was really good. Yes, but covered in spicy mayo to hold the spicy cheeto dust on and trust me the spicy mayo did not bother me a bit yeah it was delicious but anyway as you watched the game you started getting sick of it and i got pretty sick of the oklahoma game oh uh because texas did give them an opportunity. Quinn Ewers was rusty. Didn't play. Texas did not play a good game. They didn't play great overall, but still dominated them. So, you know, Oklahoma is a helmet team.

Oklahoma has good players. Oklahoma is not a very good team. And Texas is a very good team. And when an okay team with clear issues plays a team that we think is going to win a national championship or compete for one at the highest level, there's nothing that you can do game plan-wise. There's no gimmicks from previous rivalries that you can do to make this thing close. I truly believe, Andy, if Texas and Oklahoma played 100 times, that Texas would win 100 times. Like, I don't know that there 100 times. With these two teams?

I don't know if there's much you could have done. I think Oklahoma's defense is actually good, and there's nothing that group could do. You have to let me address this, too. I didn't do it in the video. We did talk about a video. I don't know if you guys follow my social media.

You're probably better off if you don't. I did get into it with Oklahoma fans like this week. And by getting into it, meaning I didn't tweet and they were all just attacking me. And it was all about Michael Hawkins and a tweet that I sent out during the Auburn game about Jackson Arnold and whether or not he could throw. And I do regret the phrasing that I used the discussion for this game though is not about Michael Hawkins as much as I would like to say I told you so they can't throw the football they can't block their receivers are injured and their offensive line is healthy but it was not addressed in the offseason I don't care if Arch Manning was playing back there i don't know what you would have to do

with the quarterback position to have a they can't score right it's not michael hawkins's fault and i'm starting to wonder if it was jackson arnold's fault that he was turning the ball over as much i mean i would be pressing the kids played four times and that's what we talked about in the video we did after the game is it is very difficult to evaluate Michael Hawkins Jr. or Jackson Arnold at this point because they got very little to work with. Yeah. They're just trying to survive out there. There's two different Oklahoma discussions.

One that's up Andy's alley and one's up mine. Andy's alley is what the hell are they going to do on the field this year? Yeah. To win games. Because I think you have there's a potential really dark timeline where you have to make decisions at the end of this year yep and then that leads perfectly into my thought process which is if neither quarterback has any help from any skill position player if your run game is so so to non-existent the times if your offensive line can't block and you have to make a decision at the end of this year who you want to hit your wagon to from a program standpoint what quarterback are

you going to choose what quarterback do you want to move into the future with how do you evaluate this disaster yeah and also we're in year three of the Brent Venables era Texas is miles and miles ahead from a total roster standpoint top to bottom than you, when that was never the case in the Big 12. And you need to answer all of these questions in one offseason. And you don't know how to do it from, like, maybe coaches are just smarter than me. They probably aren't. But, like, what do you, like, how do you even evaluate Jackson Arnold? He's a five-star quarterback who's played four games for them.

The other piece of that is going to be who reaches out to those quarterbacks. Do they want to be there? Do they want to be somewhere else? And both guys could potentially leave one or the other, not both at the same time, because I'm assuming whoever gets to play next year. Yeah, one's going to want to stay. One's going to want to stay. But no matter who stays and who leaves,

I can imagine the one who leaves going somewhere that has a more functional situation and being really good. Like it's possible that Jackson Arnold is a star and we just don't know it yet. Yeah. And I know Oklahoma fans wanted to throw him under the bus and talk about how he turned the ball. Yes, he turned the ball over. But what would you do if you started three times? There was nobody on your team that could go make a play. There was someone in your face after three milliseconds of getting the ball,

and you wanted to be good. You would turn the ball over. To give up on him, maybe it was a necessity because you needed to have somebody with elusiveness to get away from the pass rush. I think Michael Hawkins is in there because he has the best chance of surviving. I know, but they were put in a position, whether they wanted to or not, to give up on a quarterback that had all the potential in the world and they went to a person that has more ability to escape but also isn't being given any help and both stink because

of it and it's not because they stink it means that anybody would stink in that scenario well and somebody very early in the show asked in the chat if how good would oklahoma be with dylan gabriel at quarterback dylan gabriel would not be nearly as good as he was last year and certainly not nearly as good as he is right now at oregon because he'd be working with the same lack of wide receivers and the same offensive line and also too what do you notice about all the teams that are competing at the highest level they have uh good offensive lines they have good offensive lines but they also have receivers that get separation no matter what like evan stewart tonight was playing against a first round corner and

burned him like four times. Oh yeah. Like because good receivers get open no matter who they're playing. I will say watching Dylan Gabriel hit receivers in stride after spending a whole day of watching quarterbacks, not hit people in stride. It's kind of refreshing. It was very refreshing.

It was beautiful to watch. So, you know, I think that, I mean, I don't know. This is probably a Tuesday or Wednesday discussion, but I do think that if I were to spend a lot of money or be in charge of an NIL fund, that I would hire some offensive linemen. Ryan Williams, Jeremiah Smith-type player

might be pretty high on my list in college football. Well, it's pretty high on Texas' list. That's why they signed Ryan Wingo. Yeah. So, you know, but that's okay. You want to go to Georgia? Well, let's talk about Georgia since that's who Texas plays next week. And that's the big game.

That game's happening in Austin. It is the F1 race in Austin. Which is why we can't get hotels. Well, yeah. The hotels have been sold out for a long time. So Georgia playing against Mississippi State. Mississippi State was very bad when the season started. I suspect they are getting a little bit better.

But you're not looking at the 41-31 Georgia win here and feeling super confident about Georgia. No, I'm not um I still feel like no matter who they're playing in the regular season I'm probably would pick them to win right right like it's like one of those deals of like Georgia isn't the juggernaut that you think they are you know what that's not true I don't know that I would pick them to win next week's game against Texas. Right.

Okay. Well, that's everybody else. It's a good question. Do you think who do you think is the best team in the country right now? Yeah. So there's a difference between like rankings and like power ratings. Like, right. Okay.

Power rating. Power rating. Like you were a Vegas handicapper. I think Texas would be one in the power. And then Oregon would be one. And power ratings and then oregon would be one and then like a more ap poll style ranking in terms of like resume like oregon has the best win now so um that's but like in terms of who would be favored other people release these polls where it's like it has nothing to do with your record, who you've played or whatever. It's just based on who would be favored in order.

Yeah, we've seen our friend Parker Fleming at Stats of War. He puts those sheets out every week. And the one that blew my mind, and I actually texted it to Ari Friday afternoon, was the Arizona State-Utah one where it said Arizona State's predicted points were like 27.16 and Utah's were like 22. And the game ended like 26 19 but I think two would probably be Georgia Georgia or Ohio State right even though they Ohio State lost right because you have to think about what's the same it's the same reason that that Bama loses to Vandy and is a 14 and a half point favorite yeah against South Carolina I think Alabama has lost that like I think Alabama well okay yeah I'm curious about when the Lions come out tomorrow.

Which is why I have Georgia ahead in my poll that I released on On3. But I think that it would be some succession of Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, and Georgia would be the top four. Cannot wait to see those early lines on Sunday. Ari, we got one really big result. Two huge brand names that were playing in their first appearance as a conference game. We've seen, the last time we saw them play was in a Rose Bowl. Penn State went to USC,

farted around for a long time. It was kind of a little bit of the opposite of the USC-Wisconsin game, because remember that game, Wisconsin takes the lead, then USC just sort of pours it on in the second half. In in this one USC takes the lead in the first half Penn State comes back but they end up in overtime together and Penn State wins on a field goal in overtime all right so let me ask you this and I know that uh Tyler Warren has been used in a variety of ways. Not as many as you used today, though.

Golly. When's the last time you saw a tight end catch 17 passes for 224 yards on a touchdown in a football game? Actually, I can tell you exactly when it was. I'd love to know. I have no idea. Dalton Kincaid against USC

right after Brant Keithy got hurt. Did he have 17 catches? I think it was 16. Really? Yeah. So it's just USC is the common denominator? It is. I didn't even think about that. But hold on. Now I'm looking up Dalton Kincaid, USC. Okay. I'll talk about Penn State while you're looking at it.

So anyway, I feel like with Penn State, a team that's now 6-0, we have been spending all year trying to gain a better understanding of who they are you know they start the year off at west virginia with a blowout win then they are one possession game 16 for 234 yards and a touchdown really good memory i don't remember that stuff um they were in a one possession game or could have lost to bowling green, which threw us all in a pretzel. Then they beat Kent State.

Then Illinois was a boring but easy 21-7 win. They beat the crap out of UCLA, even though you don't see it in the scoreboard. Then you go out to USC. You travel. You go through that terrible, awful, unbelievable. They had to ride a bus to get to the airport. From State College to Harrisburg, which, by the way. It's like an hour and 37 minutes. I didn't even want to go to the airport from State College to Harrisburg, which, by the way, it's like an hour and 37 minutes. I didn't even want to go

down the road. They didn't even get to stop at Hershey Park. Do you know that they have tasty cake out there? They would have been fine. How many sheets do you think they drove by? Probably 100. I've driven from Harrisburg to State College multiple times. So there's like a

sheet every freaking mile. They keep winning andy i know and they you know look like they were just gonna bulldoze through usc and just you know out utah utah against them right and then usc kind of took control i mean usc got up you know 20 to 6 and it felt like they were going to be in control of the game. And then Penn State scored 24 points in the second half, forced overtime, you know, was down late, tied the game late. Drew Aller threw a, how many picks was it, two or three? Three interceptions in this game.

And they gutted out a win in overtime. So, like, I don't know if I want to, like, raise Penn State to the Ohio State Oregon pantheon of the Big Ten. Not yet. I'm not going to. I'm not going to until they do it. You want to talk about a coach that doesn't win the big games in their conference? Let's talk about James Franklin.

So they're not going to get any benefit of the doubt from me. But you know what? They're a top five team nationally. They're undefeated at the Big Ten. And I think they get to play Ohio State in two or three weeks. So if you're a Penn State fan who's upset that they're not higher in polls, then just sit with your emotions for a few weeks. You're going to have plenty of opportunity to do what you need to do in order to prove that that's wrong. That said, Penn State, the greatest beneficiary of the expanded playoff because they're perpetually ranked in between 9 and 13,

is actually probably a top-five team right now. And that's good. So I don't know what we're waiting for. They have a bye week, and they play Wisconsin on October 26th and then hosting Ohio State on November 2nd. I think it might be a night. The whiteout is Washington. Oh, okay i believe ohio state's a noon game this one white out a year thing is that what it is like yeah but they what are we doing but they did well didn't they white out illinois or they white out

uco it was illinois right because why can't they just like have a white out every time they play a good team and just have it well that's what everybody just wore white like because james franklin said no but it's not the same during the day you can't no no it was a night okay i'm saying if this game is a noon game i'm gonna walk out into the woods alone and never come back like what are we doing like this is the gonna be the biggest game fox pays lots of money for those i know no. No, but I'm saying gets BIC to reimburse Fox, have the whiteout sponsorship. It's the jokes, right?

Themselves. They have an opportunity. Okay. That's all I'm going to say. So, uh, feel pretty good though. Being six and O is an accomplishment this year.

And they've beaten a variety of different types of teams in different ways. And I don't know how we feel about drew Aller, but he threw for almost 400 yards against USC, which I didn't, didn't like the turnovers was not love the turnovers, but through for 400 yards against the team that has a much improved defense. I think it's, I think that you should feel pretty good about Penn state.

Yeah. Producer river reminds us Iowa scored 40 points against Washington. The, we're taking the Iowa over every week, and it's hitting. It was 40.5 this week. There's 50 total points in this game. They're just running the ball down their throats, which makes me wonder. Now I wonder why Michigan switched to Jack Tuttle last week instead of just trying to run the ball down Washington's throat, because it worked for Iowa. Yeah. Well, Washington was a team that was like putting up like 400 450 yards every week and

they got kind of they were getting into Iowa territory and then Iowa's defense was just stoning them and you're kind of in that middle in that in-between zone like between field goal range and and midfield and so they out stuck in no man's land every every. They outgained Iowa by 70 yards in this game. And lost. By 24. Iowa was just running the ball. I think that's been a theme for Washington.

They lost to Rutgers too. They definitely statistically dominated the Rutgers game but did not win on the scoreboard which is the only one that matters. One more before we go, Ari. That hour flew by. I had a good time. That was fun.

It's been longer than an hour, and that's okay. We had a little break to critique the local news, but that's okay. So, well, we'll put Anthony in the chat. He pretty much says it all. Vanderbilt might be elite. Ari, Vanderbilt went up to Lexington, beat Kentucky 20 to 13 Diego Pavia, gutting it out.

Multiple trips to the injury tent, 15 of 18 for 143 yards and two touchdowns. He also ran for 53 yards. Ari Vandy's a wagon you know what's so frustrating too is that that Georgia Southern or uh Georgia State game was just like a turnover infested brain fart of a football game right and they should have scored uh 22 points in the fourth quarter then blew it at the end. They had to come back. They took a lead late. Georgia State scored.

I think they turned it over on their first drive. It was just a bad game. They just didn't play well. Then they played against Missouri in overtime, missed a field goal. They could have won that game. We are not that far removed from 6-0 Vandy with a win over Vanderbilt in Mizzou. With wins over Kentucky, Alabama and Missouri. Yes.

Like that, that could have happened. Yeah. Now it stinks that it didn't, but if you're a Vanderbilt, here's the thing, Ari, can I, can I point out the obvious that we still won't mention because it's Vanderbilt, but let's mention it. They could make the playoff. Well, the reason why they could make the playoff is because they still have to play Texas.

And I think if you're a two loss team by winning out and you have wins over Alabama and Texas, you're probably. Let's not forget that one of their losses is at a conference. So, yes, they could probably play in the SEC. If you're seven and one with wins against Alabama and Texas. Do you want to start the Vanderbilt controls their own destiny bandwagon? Do you want to do that Vanderbilt controls their own destiny bandwagon? Do you want to do that? I think we have to. You know, they would probably in this scenario to control their own destiny in the 14 field to

not with two losses. I think it's possible that they would maybe maybe. Oh, Vandy also plays Tennessee. So if Vandy beat Alabama Texas, Tennessee and then won the SEC championship against Georgia, you don't think that's a two loss team like that would have gotten on the four team? That's true. There would have been a shot. Greg Sankey would have been

on SportsCenter a lot. The SEC champion will never not make the playoff in any... It could be a one team field and they would make it. We know that. So Vandy, yes. Vandy controls its destiny. You know who else controls their destiny? Army. Navy.

Army beat UAB 44-10 10 navy and indiana the other darlings are we're off this week so indiana next week plays nebraska nebraska that's gonna be fun because that's one of the that's one of the we marked that as a losable nebraska losable for nebraska game at the beginning of the season. But now we can also mark it as a losable for Indiana game. Because Indiana is the juggernaut in this equation. Ari, this is so much fun. Like, this week was supposed to be the Titanic one.

The matchups, with the exception of Texas-Oklahoma, lived up to the hype completely. Plus we got the surprisingly watch Texas, Oklahoma, lived up to the hype completely. Plus, we got the surprisingly watchable, well, I don't know how watchable Tennessee, Florida was, but it was interesting. You know I'm the president of the anti-expansion club, right? I know. This is pretty awesome. Thank you. i told you and the reason why it's pretty awesome is because there isn't a clear they're gonna win it all team no and and that's great and it's

interesting because without getting on to one of your rants about this is what you wanted why are you still complaining your rants about people is what you wanted why are you still complaining your rants about people just complaining on the internet to which i say yeah some people just like to complain i think there are some people who are upset because they want there to be that darth vader juggernaut out there that is better than everybody else but if we get to a 12 team playoff i would like most of the teams to have a chance to win yes if we get to it let's just do this real quick okay 12 teams this year with the way the season is playing out i'm asking you right now just based on what you've seen of those 12 teams how many at the end of the year do you

think could win the national championship? So if we get that, like if that's it, then I'm in. I'm all aboard. I think we're getting that. The thing that I was not okay with was most years in the four-team field, we couldn't even find three. Yeah. So if the actual answer is, here's the playoff bracket, there are 12 teams.

Here are the eight that realistically not bull crap, sunshine up ass. Right. Don't have to get incredibly lucky. If I'm the person who has never lied ever to you could look you in the eyes and say, Hey the eight seed i don't know they're like if it's like the tennessee type team that's feeling yeah you know what i mean like if there are somebody who's hot at the end of the season feeling feisty that's like that eight nine that

eight nine game winner that could take out the one what would stay in the quarters 12 team field if you had alabama ohio state and georgia and oregon and then there was a huge clear drop off right everybody else and then we're just having a tournament for the sake of doing it but that's not what's happening here no that's not what's happening here and by the way we mentioned uh one of the other darlings that that was off this week is navy biff pogey and Charlotte play in Navy in Annapolis next week. Biff's going to have the cutoffs. Oh, it's going to be amazing.

Menace to society. Charlotte, not terrible, by the way. 3-3 this year. 2-0 in the American. This season is so much more than I had hoped it could be. I'm so sorry. I know we got to wrap up. No, no, no.

Go ahead. Too legit. We forgot. Too legit to Pitt. Pittsburgh is still undefeated. We were thinking it was over. We were thinking the run would end because Cal had the ball deep in Pittsburgh territory down down two,

but the Panthers pulled it out. Pat Narduzzi and his amazing cardigan. He didn't wear his cardigan during the game, but he should have. He should have. I hope he wears his cardigan to the press conference. But that's a team now that is going into potential bracketology and bubble watch. 6-0! They are 6-0.

They play Cuse next week week they're on the road at smu on november 2nd which may be a huge acc game may help decide one of the participants well clemson and miami obviously very good yeah but there's a chance that could help decide who plays in the acc championship but they don't play miami they do play clemson but they do play clemson but i don't know miami doesn't play clemson or But they do play Clemson. But I don't know. Miami doesn't play Clemson or Pitt, so they're in a pretty good position to make it there. Remember when Clemson won the national title in

2016, you know who they lost to? Ask that again? When Clemson won the national title in 2016, do you remember who they lost to? Syracuse. They lost to Pitt. What year did they lose to Syracuse? The following year. The following? 2017 on a Friday night. Yeah. I remember where I was.use? The following year. The following? On a Friday night. Yeah.

I remember where I was. I don't want to know. I was in a hotel room. Okay. In, I think, Lafayette, Indiana. Yes. Waiting for Rondell Moore to do something. Waiting for the Dominos guy to show up.

What are we talking about here? Okay. All right. Gotcha. Listen, that could have taken a very dark turn at some point. But this is a lot of fun. And Pittsburgh, one of those teams that we didn't have high expectations for, they hire Cade Bell, the offensive coordinator from Western Carolina, and he comes in, and Eli Holstein, who was a big-time recruit,

has gone to Alabama, ended up going to Pitt as a transfer. And the thing that's so cool about it, too, is Pat Narduzzi, can we just call it like it is? He says some stuff that I wouldn't say sometimes. That's one way to put it. He rubs people the wrong way sometimes. Very good football coach. And when he's swaggy with the cardigan and feeling himself a little bit,

he's highly entertaining. He's got a lot of mike gundy and i'm like when you don't expect anything that's when they that they come out and kill you yeah it's like the jordan addison stuff was like all right dude but then the cool stuff the fun stuff i'm into it so uh i'm excited to watch pit and i might i don't know where i'm gonna be on on November 9th, but I might be or November 2nd, but I might be at SMU stadium. I could be a fun game. Cause Pitt's games are like the Pitt West Virginia comeback was crazy. And we didn't talk about it enough.

I regret it. Yeah. Well, Ari, we've talked about pretty much everybody now. I think so. Is it, who do we forget?

Did we forget anyone? Team. Okay. We did not forget a team, but I tweeted, I was something oh okay i have to do it all right go for it the best player in college football that we never talk about i just want to give him a round of applause even though his team lost today trey harris oh he's so good he he should be in the forefront of the conversation for like like i'm putting him on my heisman i don't know if i should say well look off but he is a true it's just such a treat to

watch him we've talked a lot about ryan williams and jeremiah smith and other people in that realm even ryan wingo got out there a little bit trey harris i don't know how many catches let's find out how many catches in trey harris had seven catches which brings the season total to 59 59 catches and he had over 100 yards and a touchdown and the touchdown he had and he was hurt this circus catch while hurt yeah i just wanted to give him his flowers he deserves it i don't know what's going to happen you know down the line here for old miss maybe they'll beat georgia and they'll make themselves interesting but at the very least some n NFL teams are going to be very lucky. Garrett Nussmeier's stat line from this game. 22 of 51 for 337 yards, three touchdowns, and two picks.

That is – he ran the gamut of emotions today. Kids got a laser. He was – A laser beam. But that is up and down. You have experienced everything you can experience in a football game when you have a stat line like that and we have experienced pretty much everything you can experience in a football weekend on a football saturday it lived up to the hype the oregon ohio state game absolutely lived up to the hype the old

miss lsu game absolutely lived up to the hype we got Ole Miss-LSU game absolutely lived up to the hype. We got some pleasant surprises in terms of good games that maybe we didn't see coming like South Carolina-Alabama, like Florida-Tennessee. Ari, it never fails. College football never fails. And it won't next weekend, Andy. It will not

next weekend. It's going to be awesome again. We got Texas-Georgia next weekend, for goodness sakes. It's a conference game! I love this sport so much. We will talk to you again. We will have a Bracketology video. We will have a Bubble Watch video. Those will be video exclusives.

The next time you hear us on your various podcast platforms will be Monday when we're picking the games, including, of course, Texas, Georgia. Talk to you soon.