Andy & Ari On3 - Pardon My Take’s Big Cat joins: Is Ohio State a JUGGERNAUT? | Luke Fickell's status at Wisconsin

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

As the college football world awaits the first edition of the College Football Playoff rankings of 2025 to be released tonight, Barstool's Dan "Big Cat" Katz joins the show to discuss the dominance of Ohio State and the status of Luke Fickell at Wisconsin. A jam-packed Tuesday show you won't want to miss! (0:00) On Today's Episode(1:14) BetMGM(3:49) Intro: Previewing Big Cat(6:46) Booze Sales in College Football(9:19) Modelo(10:08) Big Cat Joins: Ohio State's Dominance(20:39) Wisconsin football with Luke Fickell(27:51) Problems with College Football?(32:13) Revisiting Wisconsin(38:07) Big Cat's rules for life(42:00) Closing out with Big Cat(43:21) Ari's experience at the Dallas Cowboys game(45:22) Gametime(46:14) YouTube TV & ESPN Dispute(1:00:20) How to watch the CFP reveal tonight(1:02:58) Conclusion: See you tonight! As the fellas close out with Big Cat, Andy & Ari dive deep into the dispute between ESPN and YouTube TV. Will the issue be resolved soon? Or will this dispute last a while? Watch our CFP rankings reveal show at 8 pm et tonight LIVE: https://www.youtube.com/@UCn2g2Wy8uiE9BhDPV4knT7A Our show is presented by BetMGM! If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works: 1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB.2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game.3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sureyou use bonus code CFB when you sign up! Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary. See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. This show is sponsored by Modelo! Some things in life are just made for each other. Peanut Butter and jelly. Macaroni and cheese. Modelo and college football. If you’re watching this, it means you live and breathe football. All season long. You know what that makes you? A Full-Time Fan. Which means you deserve a Modelo. Because football wouldn’t be the same without you. Modelo is the official beer sponsor of The College Football Playoff. Join On3 today and get one full year of access to The Athletic included! https://www.on3.com/subscribe/C Watch our show on YouTube: https://youtu.be/LjNnYYjBzFc Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today's episode of Andy and Ari on three, the great Big Cat of Pardon My Take joins us. That's right, pardon my take, the biggest sports podcast in the world. Dan, Big Cat, Cats, proud Wisconsin grad, sad Wisconsin grad. We talked to him about the Badgers. We also talked to him about Ohio State because he's been leading the charge this season that this Ohio State team might actually be better than last year's Ohio State team. And when he first started saying it about a month ago, I thought, eh, that's a little bit. And now he might be right.

We talk about the Buckeyes. We talk about the Badgers. We talk about his trip coming up this weekend to Starkville, Mississippi, to watch Bulldog on Bulldog action when Georgia faces Mississippi State. Ari and I also talk about the YouTube TV, Disney standoff, ESPN, ABC, still not on your television. If you have YouTube TV, this has gone on longer than most of these go on. What does it mean? What exactly is happening? Why is this one different?

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I was on his show last week. He's on our show this week. They got the biggest sports podcast in the universe. So I do like that Ari, the biggest sports podcast in the universe, cares deeply about college football because Big Cat is a psycho. He is as psycho as we are. One thing that I wanted to ask him, and I don't even know if it'd be in his best interest to answer it but like I wonder what sport he likes more like personally like if he

wasn't a podcaster and he was just at home right because they have to go NFL heaviest that's the biggest thing because they're so heavy on the NFL for obvious reasons and the NFL is interesting it's football it's fun everyone loves it everyone's involved in it in it you know whether it be fantasy or gambling or just love for the team but I wonder which one he prefers like if it were up to him. Maybe the NFL now because the bears seem to be a little bit better than they've been in the past. And Wisconsin's an absolute dumpster fire at the moment. But he loves sports and he's a really, really talented podcaster. He's just walking entertainment. And I'm like very thankful that he took time to come on our show. I think his favorite might be college basketball just from knowing

him a little bit. He's a huge college basketball fan. By the way, college basketball season started on Monday night in earnest, your alma mater, beat my alma mater, Arizona with a big win against Florida in Las Vegas, also in Las Vegas, AJ DeBanza leads BYU to a win against Villanova. He was the number one recruit. But Ari, you guys have a guy named Coa Pete on your team. Freshman, huge recruit. Probably the number two recruit behind DeBanza.

That guy is awesome. His name is what? Coa Pete. Yeah, I'm going to do my best to be more prepared for March this year than I was last year. Like, I'm going to try to watch games and be more aware. Like, I could not name a single player in college basketball right now. Well, listen, BetMGM already has the odds boost tokens for college basketball this week. So, like, it's, we're going to be talking about college hoops quite a bit.

We have our friends Jeff Goodman and Rob Dosser from Field of 68 that work with us down on three. We're going to lean on him a little bit too, yeah. The experts of all experts for college hoops. But it is still very much college football season. We need to talk about college football. We're going to talk to Big Cat about a whole. Ohio State because he asked me a question when I was on the show last week that I found very interesting that he's been asking the other college football guests over the last

month or so. So we're going to talk about Ohio State. We're also going to talk about his alma mater, which is Wisconsin. And we've talked about Wisconsin quite a bit on the show so far this season. It is not going well. But are you sent this to me? Our friend Matt Brown, the Lord of the Freedom of Information Act request, he's sending a bunch to find out who's selling

who's making the most money off booze sold in their stadium. It is Wisconsin. Yeah. A lot. Shout out to Matt Brown for doing the real work there. He runs a newsletter called Extra Points and he does a lot of freedom of information acts and compiles information that college football nerds would love to know.

Must read if that's you, if that's something that you are into, this is one of those things. It's like how much are college football programs making and selling off of booze in their stadium. Wisconsin, 255,1,122 units sold for over $3 million, almost $3.1 million. And second place is the University of Nebraska, $2 million, about $2.1 million on $168,000 units sold. And I believe that if you look at the list, five of the top six or six of the top seven universities for most units sold, our big 10 teams, which makes me wonder if it actually does mean more up there.

Like, I don't know. I was going to say, it either means more or it's colder? I don't, I, but it wasn't cold already this season. You wouldn't you think that more booze would be sold in the South? Because it's warmer weather. You got to remember, Ari, the South has a very ingrained culture of people bringing in flasks and getting hammered at the tailgate. So they may not need it in the state.

I don't know how that works. But there's other thing, too, that our low. or third here is blocking, but I wanted to make sure that I noted. Ball State came in last on this list, and they made $11,000 in unit sales. And let me tell you, I don't know how this goes for everybody's wedding. Andy, I'm sure you didn't really spend a ton of money on open bar when you, because you got married. We didn't do an open bar.

Well, we had, we had beer and wine. So we had an open bar. And I don't remember how much we spent. but we shopped that around and like most of the quotes were 10 grand. So what I'm saying is we spent more money on our wedding's open bar than Ball State made and selling alcohol in their concession stands at their football game. And you explain that to me. Like, I don't even know how that's fundamentally.

How do you only make 11 grand? Like, what? Let's see. I mean, you need to drink some medallos. Let's go. 20 people there? Like, how is that possible? Get your medellos, Muncie.

we will we need to work we we'll call the medello people we'll have them have them talk to you about you know how to be full-time fans it's people helping people andy is all that is like you that's exactly i don't know if medello would be interested they're not selling anything but if they put medello on the shelf maybe they'll sell more is the that's the thing you put some medello out there it's going to it's going to jack up those sales figures so all right let us talk to big cat sports cards the last two months than ball states made selling booze at their football stadium let let us talk to big cat We recorded this yesterday, so at the end, you're going to hear some talk about Monday Night Football.

I'm just going to tell you right now, Lou Holtz, years ago, apparently gave me a great tip about last night's Monday Night Football game. That's all I'm going to say. Here's Big Cat. Big Cat, I was on your show last week. I have heard you ask every college football guest this question for the last month. I think it started as a joke, and I don't think it's a joke. and I don't think it's a joke anymore. You asked me this.

I'm going to ask you. Is this year's Ohio State better than last year's Ohio State? Okay. I like this because we were, and I don't know where Ari stands on this, but we were the first to do it because they are. They are. They are better.

Julian's saying is better than Will Howard as a passer. And this team, I think the question going into this year was, is their defense going to be as good? They lose Jim Knowles, all that stuff. so it did start kind of as a bit because I you know people were very hesitant to say oh this year's team is better than last year's team and it started with Brandon where he's like I don't know if I could say that and I was like you can say whatever you want like who cares what we say just say it and we'll just find out later if it turns out to be true and then it turned out to be true I do think they are better you guys I think we're there this weekend like they're there they're you're you you know, Julian saying has to be seen in person.

Like, right. It's different. Seeing him in person against, against good athletes against Penn State because, you know, Penn State's not having a good year, but those are NFL players on that defense. And he was so poised and just put the ball exactly where it needed to be,

new where exactly needed to go on every play. Like, it was very impressive to see in person. And I think what got people a little off the scent for the start of the season for our house state is obviously that Texas game was an ugly game so you you watch that game you're like all right the defense looks great but is arch bad and their running game is i would say last year's running games better than this year's running game that's fine but the everything else seems to be better and they also are in a smart Ryan day if you've watched them them week to week

there are certain times where they know well they're better than pretty much they're better than everyone they play. But there are times in games where they know, hey, we already have this game won. We don't have to go crazy and hit, you know, do Jeremiah Smith all in your face or Carlis Tate. We can, we can win this game just in a very vanilla fashion. And then there's times where they will hit that button. You're like, oh, yeah, this is what this is. And I think once we get to the Big Ten championship game and then the playoff games, they will hit that and everyone will come to the same conclusion that this year's team is better than last year. You know, Having spent 10 years of my life covering that team every day, like that bit was like reality for every year.

It didn't matter how good they were the year before. Everybody would always ask in the offseason if they're better. And I love that it's kind of a funny thing because they won the national title last year. There's two questions that I think are even more important than that one, which is one, are they, is the gap between them and everybody else just bigger than it was last year? And then two, here's the one that's kind of funny to say out loud, but might actually be true. And I've been asking everybody this and people are freaking out. what I ask. Does Ohio State have the five best players

in college football on the same team? And if they don't, which one of those five players? We're talking about Jeremiah Smith, Carnell Teague, Arvel Reese, Julian Sand, and Caleb Downs. Who would you replace and what player would you replace him with? That's a good question. I mean, they

definitely have Jeremiah Smith, Caleb Downs, you could probably, I mean, Mendoza's has been awesome. We have to we have to say Indiana does feel like they are that's going to be a hell of a big 10 championship game and I don't know if it's like Ohio state I don't know if the gap because Indiana does feel like they're going they're different than last year they're a complete team their defense is really good Mendoza's been battle tested and you know that Oregon game on the road throwing a pick six and coming back so I don't know if it's like there's a huge gap because

I do think Indiana's right there but it's it's like after that I I don't know where, you know, it starts to peter off where there's probably only, but that that's also what every, all right, don't you say this every year that there's like three or four teams that can win the title at most and stars matter? Does Indiana have enough stars? Well, I've actually had an existential crisis in that regard because in 2020, well, in 2020, it was just simple, right? Like it was look at the team rankings and one of those five teams will win the national title. And in the time since, you know, Michigan and Washington played for a national championship without having. at that threshold and then teams have been popping up. And I don't think that the teams at the top are nearly as deep as they've been in the past. The two deeps at Alabama and Georgia and 18 and 19 might have won other power conferences. And I don't think that that's true anymore. So yes, I still think that the teams with the best players win the most because that's just sports.

If you have the most good players, you're probably going to win. But I think that the way of tracking who has the best players is more convoluted than it's ever been because the five-star players. that move around a lot. The ones that tend to move around a lot, though there are exceptions are the ones that aren't very good. So then that chart gets kind of convoluted. And it's hard to follow. But yes, I still think that it's a pretty safe bet to say, well, if this team has the most good players, they'll probably win the most games. Indiana has a lot of really good players. We just don't know it because they're JMU transfers who are NFL guys that people aren't willing to accept yet. Right. But like I look at the Heisman, we do a Heisman straw poll every week.

I look at all the Heisman futures that people put in and I like look at the other names that aren't on Ohio State and I'm like yeah I think I would still rather have Jeremiah Smith than those guys or I would rather have now Julian Sayans the new new kid if you want to take Mendoza over saying I'm not pushing back but I think that the entire point of asking that question and not being laughed out of the building or not being completely insane as an illustration of how good they are this year yeah I would say you know Jeremiah love would be the other one that I'd throw in that conversation because he is so exceptional but yeah it's it's it's it's It's crazy how talented Ohio State is. And it's just great because we're just on another collision course to Ken Ryan Day beat Michigan. And it's the same thing as last year where Ohio State is significantly better than Michigan in terms of top to bottom team. But will that thing happen in his head where he's like, I got to out bully them. Michigan's actually good this year. Like last year they were a disaster and still lost. Uh, yeah, but the Ohio State's still way better than Michigan this year. That's just a fact.

And you got to ask them this thing and I'll let you go. Sorry, I've been talking a lot. But like, I was watching one of your bits and I thought it was really funny, but it's like, stop fighting it. It's inevitable. Ohio State's going to win the national championship, the Kansas City Chiefs. And you have that part. Do you still feel that way after last night? Uh, after the Kansas City Chiefs losing the bills. Yes. Um, because the, I mean, I think Bill's fans know this. And I like, I, you know, I like the city of Buffalo. We're honorary members of Bill's Mafia. Josh Allen is a friend of ours.

Until they beat him in the playoffs, none of the regular season matchups matter whatsoever. I mean, if you're a chief stand, you watch that game on Sunday. You're like, yeah, I wish we had won because we had started, you know, the chiefs had started the season kind of behind the eight ball. But what has happened every single time is they lose in the regular season to the bills and they beat them in the playoffs.

You can't, you can't deny that fact. So, yeah, I do have the parlay of it's, Ohio State to win the national title, Kansas Chiefs to win the Super Bowl Dodgers to win the, so that already happened. We weren't even sweating on Saturday night, were you? So, yeah, this is the biggest to win the Masters. This is basically the biggest asshole in America's car bumper stickers.

Like, that's the point, Andy, is like, I'm, I'm not rooting for this to happen. I am smart enough and wise enough to realize when. this does happen at least you get paid i can at least gain yeah financially off of it yeah i'll be happy if this does not happen well here i don't want this to i'm not sitting here being like man do i really hope these outcomes happen i'm just more saying hey i know how states can win the national title i know the chiefs are going to at least be in the a fc championship game so yeah when we sit when i'm sitting in our gambling cave in late january in the in the chiefs or in the afc championship game i would like to at least have something where it's like well i don't want the chiefs to win

but if they do, at least I have we're not going to water board you with Wisconsin stuff, although I'm sure Andy might ask you later, I don't know, but you're a big 10 dude, okay? Yeah. And I know that the kind of the idea behind that parlay is what you just described. If the devil wins, then I win, right? But like, where are you with Ohio State and in terms of like rooting interests? Like, do you

root? No, I don't root for the, I don't root for other big 10 teams to win titles. Uh, and, now it is it does feel like i'm a little more removed right now because wisconsin is so bad that it's like you know it like we're not even competitive enough that i can get my anger up for a ohio state or a michigan or an oregon but no i'm not i would like us to win a national title in basketball because that's getting a little ridiculous how many years it's been okay but i'm not sitting there being like go ohio state now what i will do is if it's happens, I will then use it to benefit all arguments going forward. So I do do that. Yes. And I think

that's totally fair. We're like, I'm not sitting here saying go Ohio State rah, ra, but the minute they win the national title, I will turn around and say best conference, you know, all we do is win and rub it in everyone's face. So that is absolutely what I do. You need a chant because the SEC chant is perfect. But you need like B1G something like that. That sounds terrible. I know. It also took a big 10 back 10 years if they started doing that. Yeah. Well, I mean, leaders and legends.

I don't know. It needs to be something. We'll workshop it. But we should just, we just got to steal, you know, the conference of champions. We steal from the,

we took everything else in the act 12. Yeah, right. We took all their history. Might as well just take that as well. And like when you add USC and UCLA to the big 10, that is more champions. And Michigan and Ohio State have lots of championships.

So sure. I can live with that. All right, let us waterboard you a little bit with your alma mater. Because I am curious as a Wisconsin fan who is watching everybody who had a huge buyout and idiots like me said, no, the LSU buyout is prohibitively large and Brian Kelly will not get fired. And I said, James Franklin will not get fired. And then they do watching Luke Fickle go through this seemingly get the vote of confidence, we're going to throw some money at this next year.

Where are you at with that? It is a disaster. This whole thing has become a disaster. And I should, I want to have a blanket statement to start on all of this that I, I know Luke Fickle. I've been, you know, I've met him a couple times, hung out with him a couple times. I know Chris McIntosh, D.D. I've met him a couple times, hung out with him a couple times. These guys are not bad people.

I'm not going to get into the personal, like, these guys are bad, bad, bad. humans, they're both just bad at their job and they need to go. And unfortunately, what Wisconsin is stuck in right now is a chancellor that doesn't really care about athletics, an AD that can't get out of his way, and then a coach who tried to change everything that Wisconsin was known for and didn't do a good enough job bridging the past and the future and has been really, really bad in terms of results. Now, Luke Fickle does deserve at least one little asterisk that his quarterback has been hurt every single year. You could make the counter argument, well, the quarterbacks he picked were not very good. So what does it matter? And I would say you're probably right. Like Tyler Van Dyke wasn't going to change the course of history. But they're now stuck in a situation that seems like we're going to get every time that Rock Bottom has allegedly happened and you could say Maryland game, you could say the Iowa game. Like all these rock bottoms, I don't think we're at the rock bottom yet. I think it's going to, I think we still got another year to get to rock bottom because Wisconsin will not move on from Luke Fickle.

They will not move on from Chris McIntosh. They're going to compound a problem, a sunken cost fallacy of let's throw some more money at this thing. And maybe, you know, next year with a softer schedule, go six and six or seven and five, say everything's fixed. Everything is not fixed. These two guys are not good at their jobs and they need to go. Was that nice enough? I think, but I want to, I don't know how much you've heard pro-Wisconsin or pro-fickle things. And I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

But I've listened to your sunken cost fallacy. And I think that's, that's interesting. And I think right, 90% of the time. What have you, but like the one thing that has stood out to me about Wisconsin since Luke, Luke fickle took over is like their inability or, yeah, their inability to get good players to come play for them. Well, I don't know what to keep McIntosh then. If he's the one, see, that this. always had this chicken egg thing with fickle is it that they didn't give them the resources and that's why they don't have good players or they gave them the resources and he misspent them

and that's why they don't have good players macintosh seemed to answer that question with his statement that they didn't give him the resources now ability for it maybe maybe they get more like maybe the infusion of more cash means more good players come this offseason and they're better next year but who's coming when you have a coach that looks like he is going to get fired at any moment and a program that is in dire straits who is i know you can say well money is you know but the price is higher in that situation than it would be in a yeah but you pay the money you get one year rentals that don't need to worry about but that's the future of the program yeah and that's that's where we're going to get farther into rock bottom because the culture

is broken and that's where they matt chris mcintosh thinks that they can slap a bandaid on it And by the way, I don't know how much more money they're actually going to spend. I have a feeling that that was the $20 million that the schools are going to be able to start spending. They're basically like, yeah, we're going to spend a lot more money, which they should have been spending anyway. They're just saying they're now going to spend it. So the culture is broken. You've heard former players say, like, the culture is broken. I think they've, you know, recruiting in, in, like, Wisconsin used to always get, the one thing you would always, like, say going into the season,

Wisconsin has big guys from Wisconsin to play O line and they got some awesome running back from South Florida and New Jersey, right? Like that was it every single year and everything else would figure itself out. They're losing the big guys in Wisconsin to Minnesota and Illinois and like some of these some of these recruiting battles are just, it's broken. So you have to, it's going to take time to rebuild this and it's not going to be Luke Fickle and Chris McIntosh. I'm pretty convinced of it. So going another year down this road is just delaying it for another year and going another year down into like the bottom of the big 10 where it, it's just insane. And again, it goes back to, you know, the chancellor doesn't care. And I don't think they fully grasp how, how behind they are right now in the new college football landscape.

And every second they keep their head in the sand, they're going to be even further and further behind. Do you think there's a chance that as this settles in? Because they play Washington, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, that they probably won't win any of those. No, I mean, that, listen, this was going to be a bad year anyway because it was the hardest schedule in the country. It just was, like statistically going into the season. I don't know what it's going to end up being at the end of the year.

But the games have been ridiculous. It's not, it's been miserable to watch. Maryland was a must win game Like if you I think the best case scenario that like going into this season was a six win team That was best case that was like beating Maryland beating Iowa Somehow beating a Washington or Illinois and then Minnesota like those games are Have been non-competitive and they've just been bad they're just bad and they're not And like they're not getting better and it's just really sad to watch it

I just think that it's just going to keep going down this path unless they clean house and I don't know if they'll clean house because Mac his big hire was Luke Fickle and so they're they're intertwined and Mac wants to keep his job obviously I don't I don't hate the guy for wanting to keep his job but someone needs to wake up

and and be like hey guys this isn't working let's let's all just part ways here and be like hey it didn't work everyone got paid Luke Fickle's still going to be a good coach he'll go coach somewhere else he'll probably be fine but you got to move on You know, we made it, and before Andy get you out of here, I want to ask you one more thing. We made it almost 20 minutes without you calling me a fucking idiot this year.

So I feel pretty good about that. That's huge. That's huge. So I was personally between you and me. But I was just wondering, as a fan of the sport, you're sitting in the gambling cave. You're watching the games every week. You love it as much as we do. Do you have any gripes, any thought processes about the actual sport, what you're seeing on a day-to-day basis?

Like, what irks you about college football right now, if anything? hmm it's good question i don't know if anything yeah thank you i don't know if anything irks me so to speak i mean i i do think we've lost a little something with the conference realignment and that that bothers me a little bit because you know as much as it's cool that USC and ucla and Oregon and Washington are in the big 10. They're packed 12 schools, and I do miss it. So there's that change, but we'll just get used to it. I don't, yeah, I mean, the, the constant turnover year to year, I do think that there's

got to be a come to Jesus moment where everyone's like, hey, how can we make this, how can we fix this or put in some type of situation where guys are incentivized to stay? That's what I, that's what I think will make the sport better, is not punishing guys for leaving but incentivizing guys to stay because i think we can all agree when guys stay at a school and you get to know them and a roster builds together it makes the it makes the stories better and it makes being a fan better so i think that's the big piece that has to be figured out for the nil it's not trying to prohibit movement of player it's just giving them something that if they stay they can make more money so guys are willing to stay longer and not just jump the minute they lose a starving

job. So you guys are growing to Starkville this weekend for the, uh, the Barstool college football show. Uh, your, your co-worker Brandon Walker had his heart ripped out of his chest in front of everyone during the Texas Mississippi State game. Now, now Mississippi State has won an SEC game under Jeff Levy. Do you feel like he might get to see a win against Georgia this weekend or is it, is it time to just pull a heart out again? He's not going to. Yeah, I actually don't know if it'll be heartbreaking this time because I think Georgia will probably listen it's a letdown spot from Mississippi State they're coming off a huge win they've won an SEC game so that's a Georgia is their letdown spot I'm excited to go down I've never been

I've been promised by Brandon Walker I will not get pink eye we got a few guys go down there about 10 years ago they all came back with pink eye so he said guarantee no pink eye but I'm excited it will be it'll be fun to go down to Starkville and see one of those games and yeah I mean, I love traveling around the different stadiums and there's nothing better than college football. But yeah, I do think there's a couple tweaks that could maybe fix. You guys think that's a possibility that they come up with something like that that incentivizes guys to stay that maybe helps us.

The on the school to do it financially. I think they can. And I think you're seeing, like, Texas Tech has a bunch of guys on two-year deals now. Right. And so I think they're going to be able to work it into the language of the contract, even if they don't have a CBA, they've managed to put some teeth in the things, like if you leave, you owe us some money that might convince some guys to stay for a while. And that's fine.

If they can do that contractually, awesome. If you can sign a guy to a four-year deal and he wants to stay for four years because it's a good, fair deal, I don't, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, teams winning the national titles, the teams that have to say they got out of high school or players that produce on your team that come back for another year, like Michigan did it first. Ohio State did it last year. Like, that's what you have to do to win big. So I wonder if there's going to be a financial, you know, swing to teams that have those players is like, hey, that's the formula.

Because everybody thought the formula was go pay as much as you can to go bring everybody in. But I think that we're going to find out in the next few years that the formulas actually bring some young players in that haven't really produced. Don't pay top dollar for those guys. When people produce on your team, pay them top dollar while also sprinkling in enough for recruiting and then assembling a roster with continuity. like that's the winning formula to me and I think once people understand that you'll see more of that hopefully because retention is what you you want the players

to have a connection to you you want them to stay you want them to love Madison or Columbus or wherever you're from as much as you do and they will if they're successful winning and being compensated rightfully for that so I think that we're probably headed down that road it's just going to take some time as we you know get through a new era like it takes

what five years to figure out how to things work before people start adopting it as like obviously how to do it I think we're a few years away from it but we're going to get there i hope i hope so anyway yeah agreed and and i have a question back for you guys do you guys agree with my wisconsin take do you think luke fickle there's still a chance he might be fired because i have heard that he's not going to be i don't very disappointing i don't think he is but i think people get emotional about these things and that's why i asked you if they lose the next four which is entirely well do they get in such a dark hole they're like look

state did this ls u did this maybe florida state will have done it at that point i don't know if they're going to they won last weekend but maybe they get to the point where they say this actually doesn't look that bad in comparison maybe we do need to do something maybe this is pull the rip court time that's the only because the thing people forget is none of these decisions are are common sense decisions they're all emotional decisions right and i think if you're sitting at two and If you just like you're watching Minnesota players. Now, this is not at home. They lost at home to Minnesota last year.

But if you're if you're watching Minnesota players run around with Paul Bunyan's axe again and you're two in 10, like that may be enough. Yeah, I think that scares the crap out of me the most if I'm a Wisconsin fan is the part where you said where they're not getting the players they usually get in their own state. Right. Like that's that's the scary part because if you can't you because I think that they needed to be modernized. Like I'm sure that, you know, it sounds so awesome right now to go try to win 10 games and get back. to the Big Ten title game, but you guys don't remember that when you were getting to the Big Ten title game, you know, three out of every four years, and then

playing Ohio State and getting your brains beaten, and that was starting to get old, too. So I think Oh, you're all lost by seven in 2017 or whatever it was. So relax. So relax. But I think that there is a, I always used to think that, because the Wisconsin thing is so interesting, and I once tweeted, like, in 2019

or 2020, like, we got to do something at Wisconsin to modernize this thing because this is getting kind of old. And playing this way is never going to get you over the top. So I guess you want to return back to what you were going to get Sean Lewis won't, won't bring it back to Barry Ball. Like if you bring it back to Sean Lewis actually the right person to like the thing that's so frustrating to me is that he was the person I thought was going to be able to bridge the gap. He was on the Ohio State staffs that ran that ran a spread offense, but still played trussle ball for three years. They won a national championship playing the spread but still smash mouth ball.

Like I thought that's what they were going to be able to do because he's modern enough to see it. Now, I would like a definitive answer, like a factual answer of like who. Whose fault is it that they have not gotten good players? And if it's not his fault, then I wouldn't mind or I wouldn't be anti, giving him another chance with that ability. But if it's bringing him back, he's missing on the high school players that Wisconsin traditionally has gotten, and then they're just going to go try to find some quarterback who was kind of productive in the ACC last year.

And then he blows his knee. I don't think they should do that again. But if I just have a hard time, there's two things. if you're not like you're already far enough into this where it's getting worse every year i think we have enough to know that he could be fired yeah like yeah the excuses thing doesn't work for hugh freeze it didn't work for james franklin so it doesn't have to work for him but if it's not his fault and they bring him back and then give him the resources they weren't giving him then maybe it could be different i don't think it's hopeless if he comes back if it's not his fault but i think

he should be fired probably yeah also i there's something interesting about like maybe cautionary tail, and there's been guys who've worked out, but I do think Cincinnati is one of those schools that they're just always going to be good and the base line is always there. And South Florida kind of like that too. Oh, I don't know about that.

You don't think so? USF was bad, bad for a while. Golish is doing a good job. Willie Taggart, Willie Taggart hire and like going, like that's where there are certain mid, you know, the non-power four schools, although obviously Cincinnati now is,

but like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the schools that are in certain locations in the country that are able to recruit a certain way where their coach is going to always be set up to success and that coach, that coaching job is always seen as a stepping

stone coaching job. It just seems, it's just an interesting food for thoughts like, do you hire those guys are those the guys you jump to every single time now? Yeah. Who's the best one. One more Sean Lewis fact, by the way, his one more Sean Lewis fact. His defense has given up 57 points all season.

Yeah, no, Sean Lewis is awesome. I love Sean Lewis. I'm friends with Sean Lewis. I went to school with Sean Lewis. And he, his friends on the team live below me when we, my junior and senior year. So Sean Lewis and I go way back. It's him or Jason Eck to me. Like those, Jim Linder's not going to come back. So it's like, give me a former badger who has, who understands it, who's punching above their weight at a school right now, who can give a little toughness and something back to like the culture. So yeah, I'm a big Sean Lewis fan. big Jason Eck guy so one of those two guys and that's where it's like if you want to make the argument okay well look how many people are uh getting how many open jobs there are and there's

so much competition for head coaching look in the mirror we're not competing with LSU or Florida or Penn State for for for head coaching vacancy Jason Eck or Sean Lewis would take Wisconsin in a second we're not competing with anyone for that you have two very qualified former badgers that would do anything to bring back this team go get them the last time they were opening up their job was open they got fickle who was the most coveted coaching candidate of that cycle if i remember so they i don't know but it's out of the question that they could i think big 10 jobs and SEC jobs are are now at a premium that maybe florida state and ones that are on the way out aren't looking i don't think that wisconsin should look at it as we couldn't get i mean they might not be able to beat out

lSU but i think they could probably beat out penn state for the right person i think i don't think unreasonable but yeah the guys that you're mentioning they would probably be able to get in a second so that makes sense before i let you go one recommendation i know you are a lover of the bean you have your own coffee company sell blue but yes when you can't get stella blue on the road sometimes it's nice to have a good place to go strange brew coffee house in startville on this weekend they need to be making a special delivery to you because you will appreciate them they're wonderful people love them always have a fun sign always making fun of the opponent I'm sure there'll be something driving related on the sign this week.

I love it. But yeah, you got to make sure you talk to them. Question we ask everybody before they go out. What are your rules for life or what is your one rule that you choose to live by? Okay. I don't know how serious other people have done it. So I'll give you a couple different angles. One, the obvious one is life's too short to bet the under.

And that's just, listen, that's just knowing a person. If you're an underperson, yeah, okay. Okay, sure, you may win more because you're contrarian. But it's just you never want to be next to the guy who is sitting and betting for nothing to happen in the game. Calories don't count when you're standing up. That's a big one. So that's, you know, if you just eat all your meals over your kitchen sink, which I do, it probably doesn't work out.

But in my head, I tell myself that where you get to the end of the day. And I'm like, I haven't had anything to eat today. Yeah. Actually, you've had 17 meals. Yeah. In our house, my wife likes to eat girl dinner, which you know is like two glasses of wine and some brie and crackers. My son and I have what we call boy dinner, which is eating an entire roast history chicken over the sink. Yes, I love that.

I love that. I'm a big, I'm in for that. And then a real one is just, I mean, I've been doing this for a long time. I think it's really just a control what you can control, you know, in life and don't really stress about. what other people think of you and just remember i think the biggest thing is remember it's it's a lot easier to rip other people down or take other people down than it is to build something building something is harder but it's a lot more rewarding so when you see cynicism and people trolling and people you know being negative in life that's the easy path the easy path is to just shit on everyone

and shit on everything the hard path is to build something that can be sustainable and build the community and build something that you're proud of. So don't take the easy path, you know, every time. Go for something bigger. You guys are obviously, you've built something like it's, it'd be a lot easier to just sit in front of a microphone and be like, everyone sucks

at their job and everyone sucks and this guy's lame and that guy's lame. You've got to build something. So that would be the big deal. I already did that on Saturday show. He wants to make it a standing bit of why your team sucks. So we'll have to change that to why your team's awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I'd love to have you in my house. First one will be Wisconsin. Why are your team rules? Yeah. And I'd love to have you in my house one day, Big Cat, when you're out here next time you're here. But the entire back wall of our house. You can be stand up and eat together. Well, I want to tell you, the back half of my house is Florida ceiling glass and you can look out into a nature preserve. There's no, there's no paths or any, or there's like no real walking trails.

But from time to time, you know, the psychopath with a stick will walk out there. And I was standing over my sink. like six months ago, uh, with my shirt off and a bag of shredded cheese, which I think is like the lower point that people my size are in. And you know, you take the shredded cheese and you put your hand in like a claw and I'm shoveling this in my face. No shirt on tits flopping all over the place. Harry Chad. And some lady with a walking stick and like a camelback looks in through my living room right at me right as I'm at this point. Like, and then the fingers are always intertwined like this for some reason i don't know why and i go and i wish i would have yelled through the glass

the calories don't count i'm standing up yes yes this is not even a real meal it's not a real i'm just warming up i'm getting myself ready for my real meal yeah she's just doing her own nature documentary the ferro fat ass in the wild yeah yeah my my my wife will always get mad of me because i'll just like she'll like make dinner and in two seconds before dinner i'll just be cruising through the kitchen with like handful of pretzels she's like really Well, I got to warm up. Like, I can't just jump right in. Exactly.

Big Cat, thank you so much. We know you got to get to work, but enjoy. Enjoy Star Vegas. I just called you Andrew for some reason. I'm going to the Cardinals' Cowboys game tonight. And the only way I can enjoy it is if I bet more money than I can afford to lose. What side are we on tonight? Oh, I think you just got to bet the over.

Life's too short to bet the honor. The Cowboys defense is so, so bad. their offense is so, so good. And Jacoby Brissette might be better than Kyler Murray. I once did a show with Lou Holtz on Sirius XM, and this is when Jacoby Brouset was at NC State, and he kept calling him Jacobi Briscuit. And so him playing in Dallas,

where they serve such great brisket, he's due to have a great game. He's going to be amazing. So take the over. Yes, I like you. We'll do it. I like it. All right.

Thank you, boys. I appreciate it. Ari, I told you, Lou Holtz gave me the tip years ago, and he kept calling, I did a show with him, he kept calling Jacobi Brissett, Jacobi Brisket. And he goes to the land of Brisket and he just carves up the Cowboys. So I went to the game last night, as I mentioned in the interview there. And I wagered a lot of money on the Cowboys because I'm just going to watch the game for fun.

Like, what are we doing? And we were, I got invited to be in a suite. it was like a school auction thing. So me and a few buddies were invited into a suite, which, by the way, is the best way to watch football. And you're pretty close to the field. And I got to say, Dallas Cowboys defense,

I'm bougie. I got invited. I didn't pay for it. The Dallas Cowboys defense is putrid. I felt like I was watching the little giants while watching them try to play defense. It didn't go well for me. It was an awesome night. Big Cats over.

call fell short to the number was 56 and I think it landed on 44 but you know watching football is the best man I had a great time it it was a sort of a football like product for those of us watching on TV but I'm glad that you had a good time and I'm glad you're a boogey sweet guy yeah that was the first time I've ever sat in a suite and I'm 38 and I'll never go back unless I'm in a sweet just kidding that's the best sporting event the best sporting event no no you want to hear snob the best sporting event experience that I've ever had going to as a fan was like six months ago and I went to that ranger's game and I bought the tickets for like 150 bucks if you where you have like seats that are really close to the field and you can like get up and go to

another area that's just a buffet that's all you can drink and all you can eat and you can like go in or whenever you want back and forth. I had a really, really good time and that wasn't a sweet. And you can buy good tickets on game time, which is a, you know. That's right.

Use the code staples for $20 off your first purchase terms apply. That was organic. Tickets like that are available on game time. All of all of the different options are available on game time. And they get kind of better as you get closer to the game, especially in the situations like the Cowboys are in right now where they're not having the best of seasons. Like day of, you can make out like a panel.

Crickets are probably much cheaper than football tickets because there's more games. They happen all the time. But there's some deals. And now you want to go to a college basketball game, hit up game time. There's a lot of these early season non-conference turns. Like I just talked about those games in Vegas. There's going to be a bunch of stuff in New York. If you live up in New York, you're going to get to see pretty much all the good college basketball teams come through in the next month.

It's going to be very cool. So check out the GameTime app. Code Staples, $20 off your first purchase terms apply. All right. speaking of watching things on TV versus watching them in person. We haven't really talked about the dispute between Disney and YouTube TV on the show because it really kind of exploded there at the end of last week. And so we were done with shows.

And we kind of figured, okay, they're going to be dark this Saturday. And that's going to be bad. They were then dark again for Monday Night Football. and they may be dark again this weekend. This is like mostly when we've seen these things, maybe they go dark for a day for a college football Saturday, but by the time the NFL games come around, they're back on, this could go for a while.

And I'm really interested to see what happens because just today, Tuesday, Google, the parent company of YouTube, these are two massive companies. So Google is the parent company of YouTube. and Disney is the parent company of ESPN. Google is the massive one. I believe they have a $3.4 trillion market cap.

So it's the bigger of the two companies. But they've kind of been cast as the heroes in this fighting for the little guy. I don't think either one is a hero in this, by the way. But so on Tuesday, because there are some key elections throughout the country, including the, mayoral race in New York, because it was grabbing most of the headlines. Disney proposed allowing Google to put ABC back on YouTube TV for one day, for Tuesday,

so people could watch the coverage on ABC News. And Google's like, no, because that would just confuse people more. We're either going to work out a deal or we're not here. But this is getting really nasty. and I do wonder, are they going to go another weekend without Disney, which would be ABC and ESPN networks, not on YouTube TV? Yeah, that's going to be a real problem for me if that continues. So, you know, I'm going to have to figure out whatever you did.

You'll just tell me what you did. I'll tell you what I did. This is my stopgap measure. So we don't have any of these people sponsoring us. I'm kind of glad we don't right now because it sucks. when you do. We had this situation on the old show at the athletic where Sling was our sponsor and their whole thing, the whole

season was get all the games on Sling and then they get into a pissing match with Disney over sub fees and they were dark for a college football Saturday. They didn't have the games. And it was a really important thing for you because you were putting it to your listeners and then all

a sudden the thing that you were pitching didn't give them the fundamental thing that they're looking for which is in a way to view their games. So, and, you know, we were talking about this in the parking garage, Andy, after the Ohio State came, but it's like, of YouTube TV subscribers, what percentage do you think are people who only subscribe to that service because they want to watch sports on ESPN? 75. I think it's 85, honestly. True, because probably the really old people who just want whatever cable news channel they want, they've probably got still actual coaxial cable coming in there.

house right like do people pay like i don't know like is fox news a premium channel or can you like use an antenna to get fox news like i don't know it is a is a cable channel so you like so if you want cnnnbc all of those okay so maybe you're probably right then because people do want that so maybe 75 percent and it's like just raise the price five dollars on everybody and give us the freaking games back like i mean like i don't know like what the deal is i know people don't want price raises. And I understand that, you know, people are on a budget and not everybody wants to spend an extra five bucks or $60 a year to do it. But like if the whole reason why we have the product is to consume that one specific thing, like the appointment, like I haven't canceled

it yet, but like Netflix has been around for 20 years now. Like it's not like people don't know how to use Netflix. My wife's grandma's 90 years old and she knows how to use Netflix. Like I don't know like what we're doing here and i don't know what's going to happen long term the difference between this one and all of the others is that now espn is sold as a standalone product and disney owns a competitor to youtube tv so hulu with live tv is a disney owned product it is essentially the same product as youtube tv so what most people are noticing is this is disney trying to push you toward either Hulu and live TV, or the standalone Disney thing, which is 30 bucks a month.

So, for example, the ESPN stuff you're paying for, the ESPN channels. So ESPN, ESPN2, SECN network, ACC network, ESPNU, like those channels, that suite of channels cost you about 15 bucks a month on your cable bill or YouTube TV bill. So of the $92 or whatever, I think it's $83 for the, the same. standard service at YouTube TV. Of the $83, 15 of that goes toward those ESPN channels. Now, there are other Disney channels too. There's your ABC affiliate retransmission fee. There is the Disney channel. There is free form, which is something YouTube TV does not want to pay for it all because nobody watches it. So that's the crux of this dispute. One, YouTube TV

wants to be treated like the giant cable companies like Comcast, like Time Warner Cable. they want to get the most favored nation status where they get the best deal from Disney. They weren't getting the best deal from Disney because they didn't have those numbers. But now they do. Now their numbers are comparable to those big cable companies. So they want most favored nation status,

they want the best deal. They're not getting that. But the tricky part is before when Disney didn't own its own cable bundle service and Disney didn't own its own standalone ESPN, service that it could sell to the consumer, they had to play ball with all these middlemen. Yeah. They don't necessarily have to now.

But the really smart people who work in TV, and there's a guy named Patrick Crakes, who's worked for a lot of these companies on Twitter, who explains it really well. And he's been explaining this, like, he follows me. And every time I say something, he'll point out where I'm wrong and where I'm guessing wrong, the cable bundle is still very valuable to ESPN. So they still need to be on YouTube TV. It is still important to the Disney company to have those networks on YouTube TV. And here's why.

So here's what I did as a stopgap measure. So I still have my YouTube TV subscription because I assumed this was going to end soon. So all I did is I went to my Hulu subscription. I said change account status. And it gives you a bunch of different options for bundles. So I picked the bundle that is unlimited Hulu, unlimited Disney Plus, unlimited ESPN, which is $44 a month regularly,

but they're going to give it to you for the first year for $30 a month. So basically I'm paying $19 more a month than I was, and now I get all those, and plus I can watch Hulu with no commercials, and Disney Plus is no commercials. So I'm like, okay, that's fine. But I figure I can just cancel that, go back to my old basic Hulu subscription

once this dispute is over. If it doesn't end, I'm going to have to figure out what to do. But is every week that, because like, I think eventually the assumption is that this will resolve itself because they always do. But the every week that the college football games are blacked out for most people on YouTube TV is a win for Disney. Because more people are going to pay more money to Hulu and more money to Disney Plus and all those services and directly to ESPN to get those games. And the thing is Google doesn't. care as much because this is not Google's core business. Like if YouTube TV went away, Google would still be one of the biggest companies in the world.

Yeah. I just get confused and I get a headache because you're like, well, I went into my Hulu account and then I have Disney Plus and I have Hulu. I don't know if I'm double paying. I don't know if it's bundled. Well, you actually may want to check on that because that's one thing I was trying to figure out is, okay, who am I paying exactly here? I don't even, and how much?

It seems like micro transactions that hit your credit card every month. I don't have the energy to even keep up with it. But the reason it's still important for the Disney networks to be on YouTube TV is because, so my solution of getting the ESPN standalone app, okay, if I don't, if, let's say I go to direct TV or sling, if they don't come back to YouTube TV, well, then I'm going to just cancel that standalone app. but let's say you're an SEC fan you only want to watch SEC games like you're

you're an Alabama fan you only care about the SEC you don't really care about any other games you're just going to buy that ESPN app for six months of the year and cancel it the other six months of the year yeah they're going to make more money off you from YouTube TV because you're probably not going to cancel YouTube TV for six months in the most people who watch college basketball are also interested in the NBA finals

and are also interested in watching baseball like it's all it's like when there's no football which is called the sad time in America, you still have to appease yourself with other things, like the college basketball games that are on ESPN and the NBA games that are on ABC, right? Well, the thing is, though, the NBA games, there are a lot other options for NBA games now.

Like, you can go to them on Amazon, you can get them on NBC. So if you miss the ones that are on ABC and ESPN, it's not going to be the end of the world for you. Yeah. I like that YouTube TV is just one place and you just turn it on. And that is the joy of the bundle. That's why it is endured for this long, even though we hated the cable company back in the day.

We appreciated the product. So I think they will figure this out. But I don't know. Because the longer this goes, the more I wonder. Yeah. Because it doesn't seem like either of them are feeling like they're hanging. off the side of a cliff they're like okay you want to play chicken let's play chicken and neither of them are afraid of driving off the cliff yeah and and i think if we if we had to just handicap this by

who can bleed the other one out google will win every time yeah i don't know like that's the thing disney ain't the plucky under or disney is the plucky underdog here even though they're being cast as the villain google is the monolith and if google wants to bleed out disney they can bleed out Disney. Yeah, I don't know the answer to this. I wonder what percentage of like the television networks like ESPN and ABC and stuff is part of Disney's core business. I bet you that's a smaller percentage of Disney's core business too, though, the way that YouTube TV is in a large portion of Google's core business. It's a pretty big part of Disney's core business that, you know, the movies, the, well, Disney Plus, obviously. I can't buy deli meat without a princess

on it right now. Like Disney's gets their hooks into you in way, like I guess especially if you have children. I grew up in Orlando are you? I know. I didn't really notice it. I didn't really notice it until I had a kid. But like Disney is branded on underwear and swimsuits and lunch boxes and yogurt and like they get their hooks in your child.

And like we have spent a ton of money on Disney related things, whether it be going to the movies or dressing up as a Disney character for Halloween or whatever. because it's just everything that she consumes. And I don't know where ESPN stacks up to that. Maybe it's huge because it's a billion dollar business. I'm not saying it's insignificant. Well, here's, if you want to get an idea, Disney's market capitalization is $200 billion,

which is a lot, but it is one 17th of Googles. Yeah. In case you're wondering who the bigger, the bigger fighter is in this particular. Yeah, there are a 200 billion in Google is. I almost think they're pushing three and a half. $3.4 trillion. Yeah. It's a fang stock.

What do you want? Like, you know, it's one of the big ones. Yeah. And so this is just frustrating as hell, though, because what bothers me about all of this stuff is the consumer never wins in this situation. Like, the end result is you will pay more money to somebody. It's just a matter of who.

Of who and when, yeah. did you but i think that youtube tv you can pause your subscription and then not get paid they don't you can't it's a lot better than than it used to be back in the day like when i had a direct tv dish on my house it was like it was like getting out of a deal with satan to stop doing that to get out of direct tv like they were like no you signed this in blood sir we can't You can't take that dish off your house. So just because I don't know this, you've been paying attention to it much more than I am. Two questions.

One, I was at the game last night, but I would have been watching Monday Night Football had I not been there. Would I not have been able to watch it on YouTube TV last night? No. Okay. And then. No ESPN, no ABC. How are we doing the show tonight? Well, I have the ESPN app.

So I've heard of the ESPN app. And you've got to help me with that because I don't know what to do. Yeah. No, so I can watch it because I did it because I have to do it for work. If I didn't have to do it for work, if I had a real job, I wouldn't have done it. I'd just go on about my life. And that's what's interesting watching all these people getting pulled in. You know, obviously like Scott Van Pelt works for ESPN, he's got to be a company man.

Greg Sanky of the SEC, well, all their stuff is on ESPN. ESPN owns all their rights. ESPN is the biggest funder of SEC football. So he's going to be a company man there. But I don't think the fans appreciate that. I don't think they want somebody who makes seven figures telling them which thing they need to buy so that they can make those seven figure people richer. It does not land well at all. Because of the core issue of it is greed too.

exactly exactly that's like Disney's not Disney's doing what it's doing like there's a reason that ESPN bought all these rights and the reason the prices keep going up is because ESPN had to pay more has to pay more and more and more for these rights every single time they had to pay more for the SEC they had to pay more for the NBA they had to pay more for Monday night football because the leagues aren't stupid they know that that live sports are the only thing that are keeping people watching live television right now the only thing yeah so they've raised the price accordingly like when's the last time you watched a show on youtube tv because it was on tv never like it's not since i've had and i've had youtube tv for like eight years and the only time i ever watch a show is

if it's being streamed on a service then i can control when it starts and when i stop yeah there's nothing now news events and sports that's it news events yeah It is an interesting, like, journalistic integrity thing, too, I guess, like with the, with the elections and stuff, whether or not, like, these television channels are public service and should be made available to people just for their information. I think the world has changed. Yeah. Yeah, the world has changed on that because there used to be laws about that because it was the public airwaves. But there are so many ways to get information now on the Internet that I don't think that's even the same thing anymore. Yeah.

You could say, because, yeah, I wonder, like, if this were 20 years ago, what the government has stepped in and said, you have to put ABC on today. Yeah. But not now. I don't deal with this. I just, like, don't want to deal with the, you know, people don't like doing the administrative, like, who, what bundled am I, like, do I need to change my credit card number, like all that stupid stuff that you go into settings for?

Like, it's just a pain in the ass. It's a giant pain. the ass and when i was doing this on saturday i was just like or no i was doing it friday night i was doing friday night so we could watch north carolina syracuse when where we were in columbus and i was just like i am the pawn in their game like all they're doing is extracting more money from me yeah why did you scratch the side of your neck trying to get syracuse on your television i needed to watch that game there was a there was a long stick middy starting a quarterback for Syracuse against Bill Belichick.

You know what they want us to do. Where are the pawns and we will move to whatever, whatever square on the board they need us to move to. Just give me my football, man. That's exactly right. So, if you are a YouTube TV subscriber and can't get ESPN, fear not. You want to hear who is where in the college football playoff rankings? This is big for us.

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