Andy & Ari On3 - RANKING the TOP 25 college football teams post-spring transfer portal

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

We hosted Andy & Ari On3 LIVE from the Draft in Green Bay last week, and it was a blast. Thanks to Culver’s for bringing us to the Great Wisconsin Tailgate. Born in Wisconsin, Culver’s is the hom...e of the legendary ButterBurger, Fresh Frozen Custard and Wisconsin Cheese Curds—there’s no better representation of America’s Dairyland than that. But Culver’s isn’t just in Wisconsin. There’s one near you now. So grab a ButterBurger and a Cement Mixer and let’s talk some football. We’re also sponsored by Rhoback, the makers of the most comfortable and stylish hoodies, polos, q-zips, shorts and joggers. Use the code ANDY on Rhoback.com for 20 percent off for all new customers. That’s spelled RHOBACK.com. That’s 20 percent off all performance hoodies, polos and shorts with code ANDY. (0:00-8:57) Intro: Top 25(8:58-9:57) Full Top 25 List(9:58-12:39) Notre Dame at #2(12:40-16:51) Alabama at #7(16:52-17:52) Biggest Changes from Postseason rankings(17:53-19:03) Rhoback(19:04-25:13) Texas Tech, Big 12 Discussion(25:14-28:38) Big 12 QBs(28:39-30:59) Andy & Ari's Big 12 Bet(31:00-33:50) Howdy?(33:51-35:10) Is Alabama too low?(35:11-40:30) Georgia at 8(40:31-46:55) Cars for a QB?(46:56-50:51) Gunner Stockton's Truck, Ari's Car(50:52-54:07) Tennessee post-Nico(54:08-1:07:33) Nebraska at 22(1:07:34-1:11:15) Wrapping Up Welcome to Andy & Ari On3! Today, we have a show where we dive right into the top 25 list after the closing of the spring transfer portal. In today's show, we run through Andy's top 25 list. What schools did he get right? Who did he leave out? Let us know who Andy left out! 1. Texas2. Notre Dame3. Clemson4. Penn State5. Ohio State6. Oregon7. Alabama8. Georgia9. Illinois10. Florida11. Texas Tech12. South Carolina13. Auburn14. SMU15. LSU16. Arizona State17. Michigan18. BYU19. Ole Miss20. Miami21. Tennessee22. Nebraska23. Iowa State24. Louisville25. Iowa Watch our show LIVE, M-F at 9:30 am et! https://www.youtube.com/@On3sports Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey 

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Starting point is 00:00:00 the Welcome to any on three presented by Culver's and Ari I made everybody mad and I mean, everybody, you know, that's just kind of one of the realities that you have to get used to working it on three. It
Starting point is 00:00:20 never was like this back in the old days for us because on three has such a massive college football following on the main account and we do a lot of things and they're so good at graphics that like that is just part of the job description. Like I used to make people mad at the athletic because like that's kind of who I am as a human but like never at this rate like maybe once every six months I think somebody would be angry at me but like now it's like every other week and I've actually got like my whole body is a callus it's like it's just one big cow. Well so the other day somebody said, well, you went to on three and all you do is rank things.
Starting point is 00:00:47 Now I'm like, no, I don't rank things any more frequently than I did when I was at SI or the athletic. They just have better graphics now. Yeah, they do a better job of cleanly promoting it. That to me is one of the best things about it because your stuff and your name gets out there. But on the other hand too, the issue that is not on three's fault is just the reality
Starting point is 00:01:09 is that sometimes when they put graphics out there, people only, not sometimes every time, people only react to the graphic and not the rationalization or the context or even the reason why you think so. I also don't think they care about the reasons. They just want it to look like they want it to look. And I get that.
Starting point is 00:01:27 I'm the same way. Like if I see somebody like so my post spring top 25 dropped on Monday morning, the second it dropped on social media, you don't know ball. You don't know ball is just constant. How could you have this team here in this team here? How could you not have this team your top 25? How could you have this team in your this team here? How could you not have this team in your top 25?
Starting point is 00:01:45 How could you have this team in your top 10? What are you thinking? Like basically everybody wants to see what they wanna see, but I'm the same way. Like when you put yours out, I'm gonna be like, damn, Ari, you're stupid. I'm not the same way. I like context.
Starting point is 00:02:01 I like understanding points. And that's part of the thing too. It's just like in journalism specifically, you wanna write the catchiest headline possible. And sometimes it seems shocking, but if you go and you read for four minutes, the explanation for something, then it makes sense. And it's just like people don't have the energy
Starting point is 00:02:17 or the desire or the want to, to try to figure out why something is the way it is. It's either you agree with what I already think or you're an idiot. Um, but that's part of what I love is this does get us talking about it. Because I think the fact that we start talking about it, it allows us and the people who were yelling at us about how that, why they hate these picks to dive into these teams, dive into these schedules, take it a closer look and talk about the thing we like to talk about.
Starting point is 00:02:47 Like that's the part I always give the speech when it's an early top 25, whether it's pre-season, whether it's post-spring, whether it's the one that comes out right after the national championship game. We're not doing this because we think it's gonna be right. I can tell you right now, a lot of this is gonna be wrong. It's a good faith attempt. It's a good faith attempt. lot of this is gonna be wrong. It's a good faith attempt. It's a good faith attempt.
Starting point is 00:03:06 Yes, it is here. Yeah. It's a good faith attempt. I like to talk about college football. You like to talk about college football. The people who watch and listen to this show like to talk about college football. So why should we deny ourselves the right
Starting point is 00:03:18 to talk about college football? Yeah, also too, part of this is putting yourself out there. It's what you think and how you think it's gonna play out. But if we've known anything, it's nobody knows what the hell they're talking about. Even like, unless you're like a numbers gambler. And a lot of times the number of gamblers that are so good at reading the numbers that they don't even care who's on the team. Like there's a, it's really hard to be right on a lot of these things. But my favorite thing to do in the entire world. And this happens periodically with me. I don't know if it happens to you. But sometimes, you know, on three, we'll put out a graphic, and then somebody will message me on Instagram, like a one on one message. And I don't get the ones from random people. But sometimes I'll go through the messages. And it says you have a folder here of a request,
Starting point is 00:04:01 people you don't know who want to want to send something to you. Like you're, you're an idiot for thinking this, and then I will engage in the argument with them on Instagram. And nine times out of 10, once I start actually talking to the person who thinks I'm an idiot about the thing they think I'm an idiot about, the conversation ends with them apologizing. I just feel like people don't even know why they're mad half the time. A lot of this is just gut reaction though like with mine a lot of the gut reaction is Illinois at number nine. What the hell are you Illinois? Like this is from people who didn't realize Illinois was good last year. Like Illinois won 10 games last year
Starting point is 00:04:37 and brings back most of that team. Yes and I'm assuming we're probably going to talk a lot about Penn State today because your ranking is here, mine's gonna come out at a future date, not to inundate people with a bunch of them at the same time. But you and I have a fundamental disagreement, I think, on what to do with Penn State, although I don't really hate where you have them and the teams that are ahead of them aren't necessarily.
Starting point is 00:04:59 I feel like any team in my top, gosh, I'm going on the list now. I feel like any team in my top. Gosh. I'm going on the list now. I feel like any team in my top eight. Has a really good chance of winning the national title. Yeah, and I think that's probably the new reality of college football in general. You know, five years ago it was four
Starting point is 00:05:15 or five teams and now it's 12 or 14 maybe. But here's the thing that I think that is interesting about just the the way that things work and I'm gonna read in a clip here here from the story. But I wrote a column on Monday, April 28th. That was yesterday, if you're listening now. Thinking about the notion or exploring the idea,
Starting point is 00:05:35 which you've heard on the show before, that Penn State might be number one in the off season. And I wrote, there are plenty of you scoffing at the notion that Penn State could be number one headed into 2025, but there is a critical mistake many of us commit in the middle of the offseason. That's assuming what has happened in the past is always going to happen in the future. And I think that like it's very easy to latch on to things like James Franklin has a terrible record against AP top five teams, or, you know, Steve Sarkeesian has never won 10 games in a season,
Starting point is 00:06:02 and all these things that like are just cult like lines that you just say over and over again, because everybody says them over and over again, don't mean shit right now, at all. It doesn't matter at all what you think has always happened or what has happened in the past. What we do is we discuss and we rank the teams that have the best talent right now. And we try to use that as a North star for us to try to navigate what's ahead. And like, you know, there are teams here that you would say, oh, Texas Tech, 11, Auburn,
Starting point is 00:06:34 oh, they stink. Oklahoma's not even on your list, but they're gonna be on mine. And people are gonna go, oh, they stunk last year. And it's like, what happened last year sometimes can be an indication of things. Just ask Indiana how that I don't have Indiana on my list. They're in my next five. If you actually clicked on the story, I have Indiana my next
Starting point is 00:06:52 five. But they're not that they weren't on any of these lists last year. And they were one of the best teams in the country. I think it's because you don't know offensive that you don't have Oklahoma in the top 25. And like people would would probably be like, Oh, this is right, you're not gonna get a lot of flack for that because Oklahoma is down right now. But if you actually look at like Oklahoma and what they bring to the table, you might be upset about their their receiver position. I think that's fair. But like, they're certainly probably from a talent perspective and a, you know, quarterback perspective worthy of off season top 25 ranking. We'll see.
Starting point is 00:07:29 I don't know. It doesn't matter. I'm not as sure about that as you are. I love John Matier. I don't want to fight with you about that right now. We'll get to that, but it's just like, just because Illinois hasn't been very good in the past doesn't mean they can't be very good now.
Starting point is 00:07:40 Just because Texas Tech hasn't been very good in the past doesn't mean that the investment that they put into the program now doesn't mean the future. What happened in the past and what happened in the future are very different things, and I think people have a hard time reconciling that. Yeah, and I think that's, like, what I wrote in the description for Ole Miss,
Starting point is 00:07:56 and I think Ole Miss fans are probably not happy with where I have them, because I've got them at number 19. But what I wrote about them is, if you're not happy about this, that is a sign of health in your program because 10 years ago, well, 10 years is a bad example because the Hugh Friess team 10 years ago were really good. 15 years ago, or before Lane Kiffin, eight years ago, you would have been dying to be considered one of the best 20 teams in the country. Dying. Now you're insulted because you're at the bottom of the top 20. And I wrote in there like if Austin Simmons is really good, I've got them too low. Like they're going to be they're going to be better than that. Think about how much notions change to year over year because I don't know you've read the feedback. You've seen this already. I don't know, you've read the feedback, you've seen this already. I don't know what people are most angry about.
Starting point is 00:08:47 I haven't gone through and read the responses yet, but think about the notion of your top four. And if you would have had that top four in the preseason two years ago. Well, okay, let's read it for the folks who are listening in podcast form. One Texas, two Notre Dame, three Clemson, four Penn State, five Ohio State, six Oregon,
Starting point is 00:09:08 seven Alabama, eight Georgia, nine Illinois, 10 Florida, 11 Texas Tech, 12 South Carolina, 13 Auburn, 14 SMU, 15 LSU, 16 Arizona State, 17 Michigan, Michigan 18 BYU 19 Ole Miss 20 Miami 21 Tennessee 22 Nebraska 23 Iowa State 24 Louisville and 25 Iowa. So yeah, the top four Texas Notre Dame Clemson Penn State now three of those teams were in the semifinals last year. So I think that probably tells us I'm going to be wrong because I don't think three of the same four teams that were in semis are going to be in semis again this year. But. It used to be that way. It did used to be.
Starting point is 00:09:53 I don't think it's going to be that way anymore. But like the Notre Dame thing, I got a lot of pushback on having Notre Dame number two. Notre Dame always loses the big one. Notre Dame never beats anybody. Notre Dame was the second place team Notre Dame, Notre Dame, second place team last year, and they're probably gonna be better next year. People said Notre Dame never wins the big one to you, like six months removed from them winning multiple big ones. Yeah, it's
Starting point is 00:10:14 it's amazing. It's amazing. And like, here's the thing you got to think about for Notre Dame. Like, this is the simplest way to look at the Notre Dame situation. Two guys who started on the offensive line in the national championship game left because they weren't going to have starting jobs next year. That is incredible. Incredible. That's how good Notre Dame's offensive line was going to be because it was already really good. But you have Charles Jagasa who missed most of last season. He now he ended up starting in the national championship game because some people were hurt, but. He was, you know.
Starting point is 00:10:55 He's going to start. So somebody had to leave and then you've got a couple other guys who've been waiting their turn who are potential great players. That unit is going to be really good. And I would like that a good offensive line is the most recession proof thing in football. It doesn't matter if it's the NFL, college football, high school football doesn't matter. If you have a good offensive line, you're probably going to be good. It's really hard to be a bad team with a good offensive line. So Notre Dame has a really good offensive line defensively. They might be as good or better
Starting point is 00:11:28 like they had some some injuries last season like we didn't know how much Leonard Moore was going to have to play for them. Leonard Moore is one of the best corners in the country. Yeah, we know that. Yeah, I love that even what we were talking about at the beginning of the show Andy Andy, is already changing of notions. Texas being number one would have drawn the biggest eye roll in the history of mankind. Notre Dame couldn't win the big one before last year, but guess what? They did something new because they had good players and won big ones,
Starting point is 00:11:59 and actually were quite competitive with a team that just had, like, what, 15 players drafted. You know, they're a really good team. Clemson is back. In my opinion, I think that, you know, I might, you know, reorganize your Top 4, but I think that my, your Top 4 is probably going to mirror my Top 4. Certainly your Top 5 will. But yeah, the notions are out the window. And also, you don't have to be as deep as you used to be. You just do not have them have recruited five top five classes five years in a row to be good. Speaking of depth though, I did nod to depth here in the top 10. So when you and I did the, you know, we averaged out our polls for the way too early. We had Alabama about where Alabama finished last year. So like 13th, I moved them up to seventh.
Starting point is 00:12:45 Because I'm looking at Alabama's Too Deep, and I'm like, oh my God, they're still loaded. So a lot of my concern was, what are they gonna do at quarterback? They didn't go get anybody in the portal, so they clearly think that one of the guys on the roster is the answer. Whether that's Ty Simpson, whether that's Austin Mack,
Starting point is 00:13:04 whether that's Keelan Russell, and Keelan Russell is the new freshman guy. But I look at the talent around them. Like that defense is going to be really good. You're not going to have to win shootouts. So Alabama should be a playoff team. Like looking looking at it realistically, if I go roster for roster, I don't care who that pick is their quarterback. They should be a playoff team. Yeah, the thing that I think is interesting about Bama is kind of a mirror of how you do the whole list Andy, which is how much do you
Starting point is 00:13:33 weigh the quarterback position and does that scare the hell out of you like that? That's always the thing with me. It's like, you know, Oklahoma in my opinion and I don't mean to keep going back to this probably is gonna have a quarterback that is a top five quarterback in all of college football. And it's like, I look at this list and it's like, how many of the teams on this list have a better quarterback than John Matier? I'm looking at- Riley Leonard and Will Howard were the starting quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:13:55 in the national championship game last year. Right. You don't have to have a first round quarterback to win a national championship in college football. It's not the NFL. You do not have to have an first round quarterback to win a national championship in college football. It's not the NFL. You do not have to have an ultra elite quarterback to win the title. I also do think that ebbs and flows because there was a certain point in time, four or five, six years ago where like the all the quarterbacks in the playoff were all draft
Starting point is 00:14:18 picks like to and Trevor Lawrence and Justin field. There was an era. Yeah, all these guys. So it's like, I don't know. I mean, clearly you don't have to because we're a year removed from that not being the case. But then two years ago, the national championship game featured two top 10 picks
Starting point is 00:14:34 at the quarterback position. So like, I don't know if I'm like ready to be like, oh, well, and Will Howard and Riley Leonard were both drafted. So it's like, we're not talking talking. You know that you need to, but I also don't want to like scoff at the notion that having a top five quarterback in college football probably earned you a spot on this list regardless.
Starting point is 00:14:53 I mean, look, I have Florida there strictly because of DJ Lagway, but I'm at the point Andy where I think that John Matier is in that conversation. Like that's the thing that I have a hard time with. It's like if you believe that for Florida, then I don't know how you also believe that Florida's offensive line is a lot better than Oklahoma's offensive line. Yeah. Florida has the best center in the country. Does Oklahoma have the best of any offensive line position in the country? Not that I'm aware of, no, but they did improve. Okay. They did improve. Florida's offensive line is actually pretty good.
Starting point is 00:15:21 They didn't prove it. Florida's offensive line is actually pretty good. Yeah. It's interesting. Like, cause there's really nothing here that angers me outside of that. And it's like also too, if you even go down this list, Andy, a lot of these teams I really do believe could win the national title.
Starting point is 00:15:43 And I want to hear about process and like the biggest changes that you had from when we did this a few months ago. But like, I also think that LSU may be a few slots too low. I'm sure the LSU fans think that. Yeah, I think you're a little bit low on LSU there. And if some of the teams that are directly in front of it would annoy me if I were an LSU fan,
Starting point is 00:16:01 I think that Arizona State might be a little bit better than 16. If he on Michigan, although Bryce Underwood being the starter there could totally sway me. See, I think Michigan with an even average offense is right where they belong. They're at 17. If it's an above average offense, they're too low. I don't think the offense can be as bad as it was last year.
Starting point is 00:16:22 I don't think it's possible. So I don't know who the receivers are, and I don't know the offense can be as bad as it was last year. I don't think it's possible. So I don't know who the receivers are and I don't know how easy it is for a place to interior defensive or often defensive lineman that were, you know, first round draft picks their first round draft picks. But we've seen the thing is we've seen the backups play against a really good team in Alabama the bowl game. We've gotten to see them a little bit. It's not sight unseen. It's not going in blind. Some people think Michigan is going to make the playoffs. So 17, I think it's a completely reasonable spot. But let me just ask you, since you just did the exercise and I haven't done it yet, what were the biggest changes from when we did it and why did those occur? Alabama going up. So Alabama went from the mid teens to seven. And that again is just me looking at the depth chart going, wait a second. Look at all they brought back on defense. Look at you know, look at Deontay Lawson still there, DBs that look like aliens when they got there now have a year of playing experience under their belt. And then you go to the offense, obviously Ryan Williams, Jeremy Bernard, like
Starting point is 00:17:32 whoever plays quarterback has people to throw to and they have good guy, good players blocking for them. So the idea that just because they haven't picked a quarterback yet means they should be like a middle of the pack team. They're not like they're talented enough to win a national title. Yeah, absolutely. All right. What else? So Texas Tech was the other big one. And let's talk about Texas Tech. The first thing I tell everybody about Roebuck, I'm wearing my performance hoodie right now because, hey, we got gotta put on a great performance to defend this top 25. But hoodies, joggers, shorts, polos, you name it,
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Starting point is 00:18:55 RHOBACK.com, RHOBACK.com, use the code ANDY for 20% off your first order. All right, let us now talk about the Texas Tech Red Raiders because nobody made this sort of effort in the transfer portal to reshape their roster besides Texas Tech. This was a massive shift, massive.
Starting point is 00:19:18 This is very similar to Ole Miss last year where they said, look, we're pushing in, we're gonna get everybody we want in the transfer portal, and we are going to reshape the roster, and we're going to try to make the playoff here. And Ole Miss didn't do it like they lost to Florida. They shouldn't have lost to Florida. They lost to Kentucky.
Starting point is 00:19:36 They shouldn't have lost to Kentucky. Either one of those games go the other way. They made the playoff doesn't mean it was worth trying. Texas Tech has made and continues to make moves in the transfer portal because just recently they get Michael Hudson back, the receiver who'd been there last year, transferred to A&M. He decided to leave A&M. He's back. Cash Cleveland, Colorado's starting center. He just committed to Texas Tech. And then you go down into the winter portal. You got Quinton Joyner, who had been scheduled to be USC starting tailback.
Starting point is 00:20:14 You got Romelo Haidt, who was Georgia Tech's best edge rusher. You've got Lee Hunter, who is an excellent defensive tackle at UCF. I mean, it just keeps going. It really does. The Kowalsniewski, the safety from North Dakota State. Hunter Zimbrano, the offensive tackle that was, he was at Illinois State, but he was a huge product, like a bunch of schools wanted him.
Starting point is 00:20:40 And so Texas Tech was beating out schools that it would never normally beat out in recruiting. Like Quinton Joyner, the former USC running back. He was looking at Ohio State was the other option. You know, I think it's interesting if you asked or did a poll of just every random college football fan in America. Do you think any of them could like, what do you think the percentage of them being able to name Texas Tech's quarterback is? I, they're not Texas Tech fans
Starting point is 00:21:08 I'd say percent two percent two percent are gonna get Baron Morton's name, right? And that I think is interesting because there is a lot of expectations and I don't know there and Morton is one of those Like and I say this throughout this top 25, like, when a Big 12 team pops up, there are so many good solid returning quarterbacks in the Big 12. Like, obviously Sam Levitt, we've talked about him a ton because he took his team to the playoff last year, but Sam Levitt, Jake Retzeloff at BYU, Baron Morton certainly belongs on this list. Sawyer Robertson at Baylor. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Avery Johnson at Kansas State. Josh Hoover at TCU. Like, it's a lot of dudes. Caden Salter at Colorado, let's not forget. Caden Salter's at Colorado now. He was at Liberty. Jalen Daniels is back at Kansas. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:01 Like. Yeah, there's a lot of good quarterbacks on the list. I'm just interested and he threw for 27 touchdowns and only eight picks last year. That's what I'm saying. Baron Morton was was an underrated QB last year. So you put this much talent around him. I think he's gonna be better. Yeah. Look at all the big 12 is gonna be fun again, isn't it? Oh, it's going to be spectacular. It really is going to be spectacular. Texas Tech has an easy non-conference schedule. Like, don't... bet off at the end of the year. Like we all were hyper focused on the Big 12 and rightfully so because they had an automatic bid to the playoff and it wasn't a letdown when they
Starting point is 00:22:48 finally got there. Like Arizona State like held up that like I would say that should have beaten Texas in the Peach Bowl. Let's be real. They gave him a fourth and 13. But don't you think that that like last year's Big 12 season was an absolute success as a conference and I know it was exactly what all the college football nerds among us, you, me, our friend Dan Rubenstein and Ty Hildebrandt at Solid Verbal, Bill Connelly at ESPN, all the nerdy types said, this will be the most fun league every year
Starting point is 00:23:20 because the teams are so close together at the top. It's gonna be the same thing again this year. I think if you go, you know, last year they had six teams that were mathematically alive on the last day of the season to make the conference championship game. Yeah, that's incredible. That's all you can ask for. And then the question is what the big 12 is will they ever
Starting point is 00:23:42 have or will they have in the future? Um, a team that's good enough to win big, not just like win out against a bunch of evenly matched teams in the conference, but actually get to that stage and win big. And Arizona State like almost did it in their first attempt ever. Texas Tech spent like that sort of team. Now, if I were to compare side by side the 2024 Ole Miss roster and the 2025 Texas Tech roster, I don't think I would say the Texas Tech roster is better. No. Like we already know there were two first round draft picks on the Ole Miss roster.
Starting point is 00:24:20 A quarterback and a defensive tackle. So. Proportionately in comparison to who the rest of the league. I think you could make the case that they're more primed for success. Agreed because Ole Miss did what it had to do to get even with the Georges and the Alabamas and the Texas's the teams in their league that were already like that. There are no teams in the Big 12 that are like that. So Texas Tech is trying to be the first team like that.
Starting point is 00:24:50 Yeah, the attempts it's not just like this season to Andy like it's like the quest to take over the Big 12 is fascinating to me. Just like who's going to like not just be the best team in a given year, which team is most propped up for long term success as like one of the powers of the conference? Well, can we put the big 12 members back on the screen River? Look at I'm just going to do this for you. Because let's just talk about returning productive starting quarterbacks, and I'm going gonna go alphabetically. Nofafeed at Arizona State, Sam Levitt at Arizona, Sam Levitt at Arizona State,
Starting point is 00:25:32 Sawyer Robertson at Baylor, Jake Retzliff at BYU. We talked about Caden South Colorado, but we haven't gotten to see him play there yet, but he was good at Liberty. He'll be fine, yeah. Yeah. Rocco Beck at Iowa State, Avery Johnson at Kansas State. Jalen Daniels at Kansas.
Starting point is 00:25:49 Baron Morton at Texas Tech, Josh Hoover at TCU. Good God Almighty. That's more than half the league. Yeah, I'm with you. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun. So I love that. I'm very excited about that. I was gonna turn into a 10 minute discussion about the Big 12. But like, I don't know, are we at 8 minutes, River? Like the Big 12 quarterback thing is super interesting. Yeah, I think Texas Tech, like should Texas Tech be the favorite in the Big 12? I think is a legitimate question. Because they put together a roster that isn't like the other Big 12 rosters. And you've made the case that they are, right?
Starting point is 00:26:26 That's the highest ranked Big 12 team. That's what I'm saying, because I had them ranked higher than the other Big 12 teams here. Yeah, so do you want to jump down to Arizona State for a second? Yeah. How did that go internally with you in terms of where you put them
Starting point is 00:26:42 and did you think about going higher? Yeah, I did. But the thing is, it's like one game difference. Like where Texas Tech is and where Arizona State is one game different. Yep. And that's the part that I think people get so mad about. But like, if you look at the teams, the teams at 10 through 15, and the teams at 16 through 20, it's only going to be a game and sometimes it might end up being game. They may have the same record. It's just who beat more impressive opponents. Yeah. Yeah, and they play each other, don't they? They do. They do. So they'll get a chance. I mean, and there's a
Starting point is 00:27:21 lot of they'll get a chance. Like, if you're an LSU fan mad that I have South Carolina ranked ahead of him, don't worry. They play. Yeah. LSU in Florida. They play. I just like it would be really cool if like things came together in Lubbock and it was like really cool to be there for a game. Yeah. Oh yeah. You've got me. You've been to love it for a game, right? I've never been to Lubbock period. Oh, oh, it's fantastic.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Games in Lubbock are awesome, especially at night. I would love to go to Lubbock, especially with all these like cowboy shows on TV now too. Like I want to feel that energy. I want to go to a dive bar and drink Bud heavy out of a glass bottle. You just want Billy to sidle up next to you so you can talk about the oil industry for a little bit and then yeah then hey the oil industry is is fascinating to me and I want to be a part of it somehow if you want any College football podcasters as part of your business. Just give me a call if you're an oil baron. I want to be I want a 9,000 square foot home in Fort Worth and I want to walk around in a cowboy hat one day.
Starting point is 00:28:28 I told my wife I was gonna go to Cavender's and get a cowboy outfit and she just like Roll of Horizon went to sleep. Wait, hold on. Hold on. Okay. I'm sensing something here. We need to we've been talking about making bets and we do need to We need to we've been talking about making bets and we do need to make some bets. I need can we think is Arizona State your big 12 favorite? I think so, but I don't like it's not something I would bang my fist on the table again. I don't hate you. Can we place a bet on the Texas Tech Arizona State game? Sure. If Texas Tech beats Arizona State, you have to do the show in a full cowboy ensemble.
Starting point is 00:29:10 Not just the hat. Like I want chaps, I want all of it. Yeah. Because like all girls think that cowboys are like rough cowboys are hot, right? Like I wanna be a hot cowboy one day. They are not gonna think you're a hot cowboy. I mean, hey, you know what?
Starting point is 00:29:25 I got six months of lifting before now and then. I'll grow some stubble and say pardon me, ma'am, and take the hat off. I can do it. It's just tight wranglers. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like in Dallas, too, there's a lot of very expensive cowboy attire places, too, Andy,
Starting point is 00:29:41 like where you can go in and get one of these shirts that's like $8,000. uh places too Andy like where you can go in and get one of these shirts that's like uh you know eight thousand dollars and it like looks like a Native American print have you seen these yeah I mean you watch the shows you know like where Beth made a job it's called Pinto Ranch I went in there because we had a I have dressed like a cowboy once and I had to go get count and I went in there and I was just like wow this stuff is really expensive and I was like kind of blown away by but I'm like really into the rich cowboy aesthetic and then like a sick October 18th in Tempe maybe we should go like we should just go to Tempe I'll go to the game and cowboy attire mess around show my hometown a new side of me well they think that
Starting point is 00:30:21 they're gonna they're going to they're going to think you're rooting for the visitors. So, I don't know if we should do that but I guess that's true. Yeah. Although there are a lot of people like I go to I went to high school people who dress up like
Starting point is 00:30:36 ranchers. That's true. No, in Arizona, you fit right in. Yeah. Although it's not really the Arizona State vibe. No, no. I could wear one of those helmets with beer chuggers on the side and then I'll fit in at Arizona State. Maybe I'll wear that. Yeah, I'll wear that you wear the cowboy outfit, even though I'm the one who wins if Texas Tech wins. Yeah, I'm gonna go for the chubby Jewish guy transformation to a rugged hot
Starting point is 00:30:59 cowboy. You think I can do it? I listen, I believe in you are you I think you can do anything if No. All right, listen, I believe in you, Ari. I think you can do anything if you put your mind to it. Pardon me, ma'am. I'll tell you what! I'll tell you what! And if you like it, you wear that to the Texas A&M Texas game in Austin Thanksgiving weekend.
Starting point is 00:31:24 I was walking into a breakfast place for brunch with Britt or I met Britt yesterday with my daughter and I had my daughter, we were walking in and a dude who was wearing gym shorts and a backwards hat, like athletic backwards hat, like said howdy to me on the way in. Like he just like walked by me and said howdy you know people are nice when they say things like nice things do when you walk
Starting point is 00:31:47 by and I remember yesterday this happened yesterday thinking to myself like do you say howdy to everybody like is that your word like I was like because I said hi back and it's like how do you become a howdy person I just I think you're gonna test drive it. You need to test drive it. Start saying howdy where you normally say hello or hi. It's howdy. I get, I get being a howdy person, like in the sense that you grew up on a ranch somewhere,
Starting point is 00:32:18 I don't understand like how I who grew up in Phoenix could be a howdy person. I think you're whoever you feel like you are. Yeah. If you feel like a howdy, you say howdy. Yeah, I don't feel like a howdy person. Well, we're going to dress you like a howdy person after the Red Raiders beat the Sun Devils on October 18
Starting point is 00:32:36 in Timberland. Do you have a word? I don't think so. We know you have a word. It's electric. No, but do you have a word? How do you usually greet people? I I mix it up. I
Starting point is 00:32:48 Just say how are you doing? I'm like hello. Hi Howdy, do you say hello to people when they walk by you in public? Are you nice like that? Oh? Yeah, I mean I live in the south you kind of have to do that. Yes, like you gotta wave at everybody You got to say hi. Yeah, how you doing when they walk by? Yeah You kind of have to do that. You got to wave at everybody. You got to say hi. Yeah. How are you doing when they walk by? Yeah. Yeah. These are what goes on in my head.
Starting point is 00:33:08 Can I make a confession? Are we in a safe space here? Sure. When I travel to New York for work and I can just barrel through people and don't have to acknowledge them at all. Is that what you do? It is nice.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Like not having to say hi to everybody. Yeah. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. All right, let's get back to football. Back to the rankings, okay. Anything else that stuck out to you? Like one thing I thought was interesting is
Starting point is 00:33:34 that now I like, I had Alabama fans mad at me thinking the ranking was too low. They better, I know the Georgia fans are mad because they think. They better nestle in their pal. Like, I mean, this Alabama too low like I know you guys were the king of the sport for like 15 years. I don't know if this is the season where you become normies. I don't think it is Ari.
Starting point is 00:33:59 I don't think they're gonna have to be normies. I think they're gonna be a playoff team. Yeah, which allows them to expect national champions and make you a normie. I got I don't like I think that they've been levitating above the rest of us for so long they forgot what it's like to be a team that has questions going into a season. Well, I think last year reminded them, especially the Oklahoma game last year
Starting point is 00:34:21 that last year. Wait, what? Last year could have been a blip. If it happens again, then you're a normie Right. That's true. But I don't think it's gonna happen to them this year And I like their runway because look we don't know what Florida State's gonna be But they should be able to beat Florida State even if Florida State is back to being pretty good ULM Wisconsin and then you go to Athens and you kind of figure it out. And the thing is that they win that game in Athens, there's a good chance Alabama is six and oh going to
Starting point is 00:34:50 the Tennessee game. Yeah, and they're gonna beat Florida State we think they're gonna beat you know, Wisconsin pretty easily, right. But I don't know what Georgia is going to be but I know River made this comment to me before the show started and I actually agree with him. I think that it's very likely that one of these two teams is going to vastly underperform. Well, okay, let's talk Georgia
Starting point is 00:35:13 because Georgia is another one of the Georgia fans think I have them too. Well, certain Georgia fans do. I think the dogs HQ message board crowd that seriously dissects the roster every year. I think they're probably maybe outwardly mad, but silently nodding in agreement with me. Like eight seems about right. Like, yeah, because here's the difference between Georgia of the last well Georgia last year, because I would say that Georgia 2023 was better than Georgia 2024.
Starting point is 00:35:45 And if you put Georgia 2023 into a 12-team playoff, there's a solid chance Georgia has three consecutive national titles. Is Georgia just going to be what they were again? I don't know that anybody's going to be that again. I don't know that anybody's gonna be that again. Whether it's Georgia or Alabama or Ohio State, because Georgia 2021 and 22. No, I'm saying Georgia is gonna be what it was last year again. I think of the same team. That's the question. I think it really is gonna depend on how some of the younger players develop. Do they have the level of alien on the defensive line that they've had in recent years? I
Starting point is 00:36:28 don't know if they do. Like, they're gonna probably have one or two defensive players who are destined to be first round draft picks. But are they gonna have four or five? Because that's when they become super death machine and I don't know if they have that right now like and they had remember they had two first-rounders this past year on defense yeah I think they're gonna be good I just don't know if they're gonna be great and I told I said this to you on the show like a month ago but I was listening to Kings of the North, because I listen to my friends all the time, and they did a show where they were talking about locks for next year's
Starting point is 00:37:12 playoff. And Landis said that Georgia was a lock for next year's playoff. And I thought that that was interesting because it wasn't just because of how good Georgia typically is. It was because of the path that they have there, the built up equity they have as a program and the fact that you can count on their defense being very good. And also with the fact that if Georgia is sitting there at nine and three but has a winner two against some of those big meaty teams in the schedule that they might be a three loss playoff team. I think that makes a lot of sense.
Starting point is 00:37:47 But when I look at Georgia, I think I'm on high alert for their offense being really bad. Well, here's the other thing where our schedule is a little wrong because it says Alabama is on the road is not it's at home. So they get Alabama, Ole Miss and Texas at home this year, as opposed to having to play them on the road like they did last year. They went to in road like they did last year. He went to in one of those games last year, so it's still not going to be easy like going to Knoxville is not going to
Starting point is 00:38:12 be if you're not the rolling ball of butcher knives that you were where you had three generations of for like 2021 Georgia D line had three generations of first rounders on it. They had guys that were first rounds in 2022 guys who were first rounders in 2023 and guys who were first rounders in 2024 on the same defense. Like it was insane the level of talent they had stacked up. Yeah. It's not the same. I think eight is just right. You hit the porridge right? Like
Starting point is 00:38:42 it's like they're gonna be good, they're gonna be hard to beat, they're not gonna be scary the way they've been in the past, and I think they'll make the playoff. I am interested in like Noah Thomas comes from Texas A&M playing receiver for them, a big, you know, big rangey guy on the outside. Like does that make a huge difference for them? Because I do think they've underperformed at some of the skill positions, well, I guess last year, they certainly didn't the year before when they had lad McConkey and Brock Bowers out of the receiver. They were awesome. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it turns out that they had an alien at tight end. We knew that when he was in college, but what he did in the pros showed us they had two draft picks at
Starting point is 00:39:19 the receiver position last year, but no explosive dynamic playmaking ability. Like it just, I don't know if I look at Georgia and go, holy crap, they got so much better. Like they lost their quarterback and you know, I'm not a huge Carson Beck guy. But we don't know what their quarterbacks gonna be. I mean, maybe he'll be awesome and things will be different. But like I know they've got a good tandem of young running backs. They seem perfectly happy to take Gunner Stockton instead of Carson Beck. Like that doesn't seem like there was a lot of debate over that.
Starting point is 00:39:49 But does that mean that Gunner Stockton is awesome or that Carson Beck is average? Like I just I don't know. I don't know. It might mean that they're basically the same and one was younger than the other. And one was probably much cheaper. So one doesn't have a Lambo. I don't know does Gunner Stockton have a Lambo? So one doesn't have a Lambo. I don't know. Does Gunner Stockton have a Lambo? Not that I know of. So I don't know. Like I think that Gunner Stockton would never drive the Lambo SUV, which I've been on this
Starting point is 00:40:11 rant before, but if you're going to buy a freaking Lambo, buy a Lambo. Don't buy the SUV. That's like a, it's like a Lambo hatchback. I think I love the point. Yeah. I mean, it's fast as hell, Andy. You look like a soccer mom. What is the point? Yeah. I mean, it's fast as hell, Andy. It, you look like a soccer mom. What is the point? I don't think you look like a soccer mom in a Lambo SUV.
Starting point is 00:40:30 You've very much look like a soccer mom in a Lambo SUV. By the way, I was eating dinner on Saturday. Sorry, I'm just keep doing this to you. We were eating dinner at a Mexican restaurant on a double date on Saturday night. And we had a Porsche seat and a double date on Saturday night. And we had a Porsche seat and it was called Las Palmas. It's I guess one of the better Mexican restaurants in the city of Dallas and it's really hard
Starting point is 00:40:52 to get a reservation. And it tasted exactly like every other Mexican restaurant I've ever been to. I don't know why. It's not real Mexican. That's we discussed this before. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying like it was it's a place that's really hard to get a reservation. Like we had to pull some strings to get in and I ate there and I thought I was at Chili's.
Starting point is 00:41:08 But the thing that was interesting is that we had a patio seat and it was in the core of downtown Dallas and some guy pulls up in the valet area because the valet area was by the patio in a huge brand new beautiful Lambo. And when he got to the stand at the front, he parked his car and then he revved the engine. So it made that big Lambo roar, you know? And every single girl on the patio was like, oh, oh my God.
Starting point is 00:41:38 It's like, do you know how big of a loser you have to be to have a Lamborghini and turn off 20 girls at the same time? Like if you have a Lambo, just let it speak for itself. You don't need to make noise. You don't have to rev your engine. Everyone knows everyone saw it. We know you're rich. We know, you know, you have the car, but like use it with class, please. Just use it with class. You don't have to rev your engine. We saw it.
Starting point is 00:42:00 Everybody saw it, buddy. You've allayed in the front of the restaurant so everybody could see it. We saw it. OK. Was it a Lambo SUV, though? No of the restaurant so everybody could see it. We saw it Okay, was it a Lambo SUV though? No, it was a car. It was sick, but it was just like exactly He's smart enough to at least buy an actual Lamborghini and not a Lamborghini by Volkswagen I had a Lambo. I would try Lamborghini teak one. I would drive it in a classy way I don't think I would like try to draw attention to it. I would let the car speak for itself I'm just googling Gunner Stockton truck. Because I don't even need to know
Starting point is 00:42:34 what Gunner Stockton drives to know he drives a pickup truck. Yeah. Not only does he drive a pickup truck Ari, we'll send the pictures to producer River. We'll have the B roll run when we talk about this. It's a classic F 150 looks like early nineties, late eighties. It's still got the metal mirror mount. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:56 I mean, that's actually kind of cool now coming back like all the classic cars and stuff. Andy, this is a, maybe a segment on a podcast that's a little bit slower, but you know how everybody always talks, because it bothered me on Saturday when we were talking about Shador Sanders and like the fact that he was wearing a big diamond chain and how everybody was comparing him to Cam Ward who wore an understated like gray blazer and not a ton of jewelry. Did everybody else in the first round have a giant diamond chain?
Starting point is 00:43:23 I don't know, but like Shador Sanders' chain sorry more than my home. I don't know anything about that type of thing or how much a chain like that would cost but everybody made leaping a sun and assumptions of like well if you were iced out like that you're probably not the type of quarterback I'd want look at cam ward he's a number one overall pick he's understated in the way that he dressed. And he's probably going to be better off. And it's like last year, Jane Daniels wore a bunch of chains to the draft. So shut the hell up. But in that vein where we want to cast aspersions on somebody for what they choose to wear or drive, if you were the GM of a college football program,
Starting point is 00:44:03 what would be the preferred automobile of your starting quarterback? Like what would make you feel good if your starting quarterback chose to drive that? Because you drive a pickup truck, would that be your thing? Well how cool is this pickup truck? I'm saying like do you think that Gunnar Stockton is the ideal? Like if you get in like a stock. Just Larry it because that's kind of boring quarterback in power football has a sick car because that's their NIL deals and like the dealership is the most
Starting point is 00:44:34 cliche NIL thing right? But like if you had that money and the ability to choose what you would drive, how would you go about it? And I would probably be like. you would drive, how would you go about it? And I would probably be like, I would pick something really cool. But I think that like, picking a pickup truck is probably your speed, right? Like what would you think? Well, like a like a monster truck. Yes, that'd be great. I would think that would be awesome. I want all the bells and whistles on your monster truck. Or if you're going to go Lambo or Ferrari, get something that looks really fast and not something that looks like a tiny little SUV. And there's Gunner Stockton's truck. And
Starting point is 00:45:12 that's exactly what you would expect Gunner Stockton to drive. But like, does that make you feel better about him being the quarterback? Like if he drove a Lambo SUV? It doesn't really change anything. Okay. No, if it's not a Lambo SUV, like is it a mercy a lago or something I can't pronounce? That's the one I want you driving. You would also say like the Venn diagram of somebody who would drive a Lambo SUV and would date it to Cavendish twin as a circle, right? It's yeah, solid circle, solid circle. Cam Newton was a big pickup truck guy. Like he had a donked up truck when he was playing for the Panthers like quarterback in the big pickup truck. I'm a fan of just think I have a fan of a black Range Rover with black wheels.
Starting point is 00:45:57 If I were a quarterback, that's fine. I can live like a quarterback driving a Range Rover. Yeah, all for something that's like super classy and nice, but also not like everybody's face melts off when you drive by them. Yeah. Maybe maybe you're thinking electric and you go electric escalator, something like that. You want to you want the nice luxurious SUV. That's fine. I get you. I don't know. But my thing with with like this type of stuff is always been get something super nice, but isn't overly flashy. Like that's my lane. I wouldn't want to be like I wouldn't want something that everybody stares at. Like if you buy a lot like also to like if you buy a Lambo and it's lime green, like what are we doing? Like it blows my mind. Like people who are saying look at me. It is true.
Starting point is 00:46:43 blows my mind. Like people who are saying, look at me, it is true. It is a lot of money is me of good taste. Like if you're gonna get a Lambo, get a black one, like get get a matte black one and not the SUV. It's pretty simple. Okay. So I was gonna probably get over you. Hey, listen, Ari, that was a Georgia discussion. Just now. Like what we said, and I guarantee you, there are Georgia fans doing, I will take my man Gunnar Stockton in the Vantage F150
Starting point is 00:47:15 10 times out of 10. Well, also- Or Lambo SUV guy. Gunnar Stockton is from Georgia, and he drives maybe a truck that you could conceivably think he might have had for a few years now. But also too, talking to somebody who was very interested in like retro trucks from the 80s and 90s and retro cars in the 80s and 90s, like that has gone from like in like
Starting point is 00:47:39 2005, that would have been a beater. And like now it's like cool. I think that's like- Oh no, you're seeing more and more of those. I've seen a few, this vintage, like late 80s, early 90s, F-150s, that people have completely restored. I don't think people appreciate-
Starting point is 00:47:56 And they're really cool. How cool of a car you can buy with 20 grand. I don't think that people realize that. Ari's talking about his own Mercedes that he just bought. I didn't pay that people realize that. Ari's talking about his own Mercedes that he just bought. I didn't pay that much for it. But even if you don't like the car that I bought, you can find your favorite car from 22 years ago in 20 grand. Would you trust a quarterback in a 2001 Mercedes 500 SL?
Starting point is 00:48:21 I would trust the GM if he drove it. It's not an athlete. That's not an athlete car. That's an investment banker's car. That was the aesthetic I was going for. What would a stockbroker in 2003 drive? That. That's what I wanted. All right. I'm glad you've accepted the fact that it's Patrick Bateman's car. But also when I drive this thing, I've driven it in public maybe 10 times and 100% of the time if I get out of the car and there's a mail there, that person says that's badass. It's a 100% because you don't see them anymore. Meanwhile, your wife when you got it said, she won't even love you.
Starting point is 00:49:04 I'm glad you're happy. I don't get it. Yeah, I, your wife, when you got it, said she won't love you. I'm glad you're happy. I don't get it. Yeah, I don't get it. Well, it's like, you know, we're at the point of I don't know if I'm having a midlife crisis, but, you know, it wasn't overly expensive and it had very little miles on. It was well taken care of.
Starting point is 00:49:17 I'm like, I'm going to have it for the rest of my life. I'm going to take care of it like it's my child. But let's let's put a poll on this. I'll put this out on social media. Do you trust your quarterback more when he drives a vintage F-150 or a Lambo SUV? I know we're kind of Georgia fans are feeling feeling more confident now. I know we're kind of joking about not know about like the car thing, but I guarantee you there are Georgia fans out there that are probably like, oh, thank God our quarterback doesn't drive a Urus. Thank God he has a truck and it's just a normal car. It even sounds like, it sounds like the doctor you go to to get your pee stuff checked.
Starting point is 00:50:00 Urologist. Yes, a Lamborghini urologist. Yes, a Lamborghini Urologist. Yeah, I sent the pictures of my car to River and I want to know what people think because I'm obsessed with it. So if he can put them up there, that's great. If not, that's fine. But like I'm okay with whatever stereo. I'm just looking Gunnar Stockton in that truck. He looks so happy. There's nothing better than driving a fun car. Like that, that, that like, uh, saying Andy, that is look at that. There it is. Yeah, that's not a quarterbacks car. That's a quarterbacks car in 2002. Not a quarterback now. I took my daughter in it like early in the morning on Saturday to get my wife coffee and took the top off.
Starting point is 00:50:44 And like she was so happy. It's like I'm just creating memories man, but that is just I look at that. I get your right. Okay, who else is going to create memories this season according to my rankings? Let's see. Let's let's head down the list.
Starting point is 00:50:59 I got Nebraska. At 22, I got Tennessee at 21. The Tennessee thing, I was already going to move him down even before the NICO stuff happened. We do have a discussion about this. I was getting bad feedback. I felt like I was getting bad feedback. I felt like the offense was not evolving very much. This is a NICO still there. I got not worried about the defense. I actually think Tennessee's defense can be fine. But I'm concerned the offense is not going to him or was not. I was concerned the office was not going to improve the Nico left. Now, now you're dealing
Starting point is 00:51:35 with a situation where you're going to have a first time starting quarterback or a guy who's started a bunch of FPS games, but got to school. In May like. It doesn't bode well, I don't think, but I do think they're going to have a good defense, which is why I still have them in the top 25. Yeah, so the thing about it is how much do you think the offense is going to struggle this year? If at all. I OK. Are they going to be able to run the ball like they did last year is another question, because it's a it's a rebuilt
Starting point is 00:52:10 offensive line. They had some older offensive linemen that had been there a long time that have moved on. Dylan Sampson's gone. So I just need to know where it comes from. Now maybe maybe this new offensive line, which these guys are higher rated recruits than the guys that they're replacing. So maybe they do develop into a better group than the one the one before it. But we don't know. I just don't know that right now. But I think that's a rational place for Tennessee, a team that you think is not crap, but a team that is kind of in the mix will be a hard out. And if things like, I mean, I feel like if Tennessee finished the season at, you know, 15 to 20, they would feel pretty good about how things went. All things considered. No,
Starting point is 00:52:57 I think so. After after what happened with Nico, I think I think it'd be cool with that. But I don't know. I worry we built Joey Aguilar up so much that people are going to think he's supposed to step in and win the Heisman. Yeah. I mean, yeah, by the way, great Heisman story if you're a big story on the Heisman guy like me. Just want to rip that bandaid off, but the thing with Tennessee is that I don't know that they were a top 10 team with Nico.
Starting point is 00:53:28 So I think you have to move them down a little bit. And I have seen because I'm I am the mayor of all Twitter still I still have the crown, you know, two weeks later, Andy. Oh, yeah, you've sucked up to them quite a bit. I haven't but like also to like have seen a lot now that the Vol Twitter is like my algorithm, a lot of people who have been very upset with Hypal and their attempts to land players on the portal lately. And I don't know.
Starting point is 00:53:52 So you have the Vol-Gar-hythm now? Like, oh, I'm in the Vol-Gar-hythm. You have the Cal-Gar-hythm. And River sending me stuff. Like River sending me stuff is kind of like, has like trained my computer and my Twitter and on my phone, even on like Instagram, I get ball stuff. Like I'm all in dude. Like that's me. So Nebraska at 22.
Starting point is 00:54:15 That's the one that's a little weird to me. Like, I don't know. I like what they took out of the portal. I realized they lost a lot defensively to the draft and to the portal. A lot of that was when Tony White took the Florida State job. But I feel like they made the offense better out of the portal. They had some pretty good players defensively. I think if that offense can be better, and we'll see, because they did try to improve the offensive line. They went and got Rocco Spindler from Notre Dame, who was one of the guys at Notre Dame who might not have had a starting job when, you know, if he came back,
Starting point is 00:54:50 Elijah Pritchett, who was the starting right tackle at Alabama the last couple of years. Dane Key, the receiver from Kentucky, who Kentucky couldn't get in the ball, but he's pretty talented. Yeah. So Dylan, Iola has a lot more work with it feels like and if the defense can be about as good, I don't even know if it has to be as good. Then I think you've got a team that can win one or two more. Like is that how many more? What does this seem any to have to do? When one more game than it did last year, two more games than it did last year to Two more games than it did last year. To be here, I am probably going to
Starting point is 00:55:27 make some people upset. Andy. I am on high alert. For rail and not getting that much better. Like I don't know where you are, but like a year ago at this time, like I was, you saw him getting sacked in the flag football game by the girl,
Starting point is 00:55:42 and now you've decided you're done. Is that what was? I saw that on the internet yesterday in the flag football game by the girl and now you've decided you're done. Is that what it was? I saw that on the internet yesterday. It happened in the flag football game with the girl is the exact number one criticism of his game, which is he takes sacks and can't escape from pressure. Like, and that I who cares about the flag football game, but like my thing with him too, is that like I was ready to like call him a Patrick Mahomes clone a year ago. And then I had a conversation with some talent evaluators and watched him actually play last year.
Starting point is 00:56:08 And those things that they pointed out to me were actually true. And I don't know how much you can improve on those things. So like, I was anticipating Nebraska having like a homegrown first round draft pick at quarterback. And I'm not saying that can't happen because he still has a rocket arm and certainly has a lot of, you know, skill sets that you like in a quarterback prospect. But like also, too, I
Starting point is 00:56:32 don't know if I'm in the camp of like, Nebraska should be number 12 this year, because Rayola is going to be a monster. Like, and I actually think that you agree with me, because if you did think that Rayola was going to be some sort of like, huge savior type player, you would have had them higher on your list. No, I just I'm saying I think Nebraska's floor is rising. I don't necessarily like I'm with you. I'm not looking at him as a juice. He would not be 22. Right. I'm not looking at him as a potential first round draft pick, which is a shame because that's what I'm looking at DJ lagway. Here's the thing that is interesting. One of the first videos that you and I did together. When I got the job at on three as we went on our little road trip and we did a video outside of Ohio Stadium. Remember that day?
Starting point is 00:57:20 And we had an eight minute video. I'll never forget about the importance of Nebraska having Raola and this might have been after he torched Colorado. Like people were already saying that he was like the best downfield password Nebraska's had ever. But that's exactly when it was. It was they'd beaten Colorado the night before and yes,
Starting point is 00:57:38 everybody was very excited. But now if you open up in River, do me a favor and put Andy's top 25 back up on the screen and then we'll have a little bit of a Yes, everybody was very excited. But now if you open up in River, do me a favor and put Andy's top 25 back up on the screen. How many teams above it? Have better quarterbacks than them. Think about it, Texas.
Starting point is 00:57:59 Carson back. Like let me phrase it this way. How many of the teams would you trade? Or would you not trade for their quarterback? Okay, I wouldn't trade. I wouldn't trade for Archman or I wouldn't trade Archman for him. Right. Certainly wouldn't trade K Club. It wouldn't trade Drew Aller. II don't know about Julian saying yet and I don't
Starting point is 00:58:20 know about CJ Carr. Would you trade them for him? No, no would you take would you trade Raul for the unknown? Let's go all the way with it. I'll answer it if you don't want to. Yeah, I don't know if I would. Those guys were very highly rated prospects as well. So far we're 0 for 5 in the top 5. Yeah, I don't know about Dante more yet but I'll probably wouldn't make the trade. Would you or would you not make the trade? Probably not. Okay, Alabama. No, maybe you and Russell. II'm kind of excited to see him. So, I love his pickup truck. It belongs in Georgia. I would take Luke Altmeyer.
Starting point is 00:59:05 DJ would take DJ lightweight. I take Baron Morton right now. I definitely take Lenora Sellers. Jackson Arnold, that's a good one. Uh, I might make it. Yeah, Kevin Jennings Arnold, but that's a that's a toss up for me. Kevin Jennings Kevin Kevin Jennings.
Starting point is 00:59:24 No, he's been other in the last two games. Last two games was pretty bad. Definitely not making the trade with Garrett. I want Garrett Nussmeyer at Ellis here. Tim Levitt. Definitely not. Bryce Underwood. Keeping Bryce Underwood, keeping Jack Retsliff.
Starting point is 00:59:36 Definitely keeping Austin Simmons and keeping Carson Beck. Rocco Beck. Keeping Rocco Beck. Might make the Miller-Romans trade. We got Louisville next. Miller Moss? I think I'd trade. What's the what's the kid's name from Iowa? Mark Grunowski, the 2023 Walter Payton award winner from the South Dakota State. So I'm not trying to neg him, but we just went through the entire top 25 and you weren't sure that you were going to trade
Starting point is 01:00:08 Rayola for literally any of them. No, because I'm not looking at this as a Dylan Rayola play here as the as Nebraska being number 21. He does not have to be spectacular for them to be 21. If he's spectacular, they will be much higher than 21. Could you imagine if we played that game with the same top 25 in Raiola a year ago? It would have been tougher. Like I would
Starting point is 01:00:31 have probably traded everybody for Raiola. It's that's the problem, but here's the other thing. Are we we're assuming we are assuming no improvement. When is the usual biggest improvement between year one as a starter and year two as a starter? We could see a completely different version of Dylan Raola. And if we see a different version of him, then maybe we are willing to trade him for everybody. Maybe he is a first round draft.
Starting point is 01:01:00 We throw these guys aside, I feel like, after one year. But remember Joe Burrow after one year as a starter, we were like, he's average. Jaden Daniels after one year to start. Yeah, he's average. That second year is a starter. People blow up. And he can.
Starting point is 01:01:16 I'm not trying to be mean and I'm not trying to get the entire Nebraska fan base to hate me because they're going to hate you. The one thing that's different about Raola that doesn't that was not true about Joe Burrow. Is that there is a certain flaw in his game that is glaring if you pay attention to it. He also has a new offensive coordinator in Dana Holgerson. And they're going to play in an offense that can help mask some of that stuff.
Starting point is 01:01:43 And if they do, he might, you know, again, might be awesome. But Nebraska is very interesting because you usually see that name on that list because you're excited about what they have. And I think that you tell everybody what the problem is, because you're talking about how he moves in the pocket, how he senses pressure. Getting the ball out, right? I feel like if he has pressure in his face, the plays dead. I think that can be improved upon with reps.
Starting point is 01:02:18 And it's not always improved upon, but I think it can be the inability to evade pressure too. Which is, you know, a branch of what I just said, but right. Cause like Jalen Milro is when I always talked about where it was shocking that he was that fast, but did not seem to have the sixth sense that some of the other quarterbacks have who are not nearly as athletic of when to move to avoid pressure. So yeah, some guys have that and some don't. Some guys are just magicians.
Starting point is 01:02:50 Like, you look at Peyton Manning, who could not move at all. But every time you'd see a clip, when Peyton Manning was in the NFL, of a dude about to sack him, you'd see him take that half step in one direction and figure out how to get the ball out. The thing that I think is a problem is that Raiola looks like Patrick Mahomes. He acts
Starting point is 01:03:14 like Patrick Mahomes. He does the cosplay thing. Like look at this picture. It looks like a picture that you would see, you know, the same head. Right. And Patrick Mahomes is one of the same best who has ever played the game at dealing with pressure. And figuring out how to cannot a play has never over with Patrick Mahomes correct ever. So we have to stop. Right, right, because the costume has been very effective. We have to stop with the comparisons. But he did a hell of a job with the costume. He did.
Starting point is 01:03:50 And he did himself. But now he needs to make his own way. And here's the thing. If Nebraska continues to get better with Dylan Raolo as the quarterback, that's the job. That's the job. You got to win some of those games you didn't win last year. So you can't have, and I realized the big 10 schedule is not just flipped like the SEC one is.
Starting point is 01:04:13 So it's not pound for pound, but like you can't lose to UCLA this year. You should beat USC. Although that's another conversation we can have because maybe USC is better. But you should be able to beat UCLA and Minnesota and Maryland and USC and Michigan State and Northwestern. And I just gave you the path to a six and three record in conference. And you should win all your non-conference games. That's a nine and three Nebraska, which would be ranked
Starting point is 01:04:45 higher than this, by the way. Yeah, I need to look back at Nebraska schedule because I don't have the ability to recall anything off the top of my head. We just had it on the screen, but I'm looking at the the the schedule from last year. I mean they lost zero games to teams they shouldn't have lost to last year, which is UCLA. They should have lost. They should. They should be UCLA. I guess UCLA. But their other losses were Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, USC, and Iowa.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Like there aren't any like Nebraska might have gotten their way out of the. Oh my God. I can't believe that happened like every week, you know, like losing by a position. But see if they are that team, like if they are that team that doesn't lose to teams they shouldn't lose to anymore, eight and four is a really realistic record and that's probably gonna have them ranked near the bottom of the top 25.
Starting point is 01:05:39 And Nebraska literally almost beat Ohio State last year on the road. Yes. I don't think you'll remember that. Like that- Yes, and the Illinois game was close, yeah. But the way the Illinois game ended is the reason why I can't get past what I was talking about with Dylan. And I am willing to give him. The benefit of the doubt because it was his first year as a starter and now he's
Starting point is 01:06:01 in his second year as a starter and if he's the same guy then I will be right there with like a month into the season. If he's the same guy, I'm gonna be right there with you. But I want to give him a chance to show he's not. The thing that I find interesting, Andy, is quarterback evaluation and what people say can be fixed and what people say can't be fixed. Like I've always been kind of dumbfounded by you can't fix inaccuracy. Correct. Like that. There's like certain things. It's like if someone you can't fix processing like right.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Like there are things that you hear a lot in the draft process of like if they have this issue, they are like doomed. But like where does evading escaping maintaining cool and extending plays under pressure fall under that? Yeah, because I feel like you got to know how much pressure they faced. Like, and that's, this is a challenge as quarterbacks change levels. We see it when quarterbacks go from college to the NFL. We also see it when quarterbacks go from high school to college.
Starting point is 01:06:58 A lot of times you are on such a physically superior team at the lower level that you don't see any pressure. And so the first time you're exposed to it, you may not know how to act, but if you're exposed to it for an entire season and you're like, oh, I remember what this, so this is what I did wrong last year, so I'm gonna do it this way this year.
Starting point is 01:07:20 I think it's something you can get better at. Yeah. I think it's something you can get better at. Yeah. I think it is. Or Nebraska could be better at protecting. I don't know if we can keep this pie piece going for another 2 1 1 half hours because I'm so interested in this. What did you struggle with the most?
Starting point is 01:07:39 Well, you know why don't we? Why don't we save this? Let's talk about it again tomorrow. OK, I would love because there are teams that are not on here that I think we gotta talk about. I mean, I tanked the show. Like, I honestly feel like I could get fired after that. Like, I tanked the whole thing.
Starting point is 01:07:55 You didn't tank it. I, listen, the Lamborghini Urologist versus F-150 discussion is a legitimate quarterback discussion. I don't care what you say. Here are the cars that River suggested that he would like for his quarterback that I think are interesting. Ford F-150 or Toyota 4Runner. Two very different things. Toyota 4Runner is your junior lacrosse
Starting point is 01:08:21 midfielder at a very bougie high school. Or Will Staples. No, he's not going forward. I thought you guys were going for runner, no? No, no, no, we're going. We've we've moved on to the pickup truck. So I don't think he's going to be a quarterback. That's the new forerunner. I think he's going to be handing the ball
Starting point is 01:08:42 between his legs to the quarterback. He's going to be a quarterback. Also, by the the quarterback. But he's going to be a quarterback. Also, by the way, if your son's an offensive lineman, he has to drive an F-150. Like there's no other. Well, you could be me driving a Toyota Corolla and you know what? Got me from point A to point B. I can picture your son sitting on the bed coming down what's that called? The tailgate?
Starting point is 01:09:04 His tailgate? The tailgate? The lift gate. And just shooting bottles in the wilderness. You know, like that's what I think of an offensive lineman. Is that like just too varsity blues for you or what? Like, I don't know. Listen, he's watched varsity blues and I definitely think he felt a kinship with Billy Bob.
Starting point is 01:09:20 Varsity blues? He gave it a tan! How my hand still works. Tan! Yeah. I give it a tan! Sorry again, guys. I hope you like me. I messed up but we will know. You've allowed us to talk about this some more because there's some other teams we got to get to put the put the ranking back up over here. Let me let me let's let's do a cheat sheet of
Starting point is 01:09:38 who we need to talk about. We talk about Florida. We need to talk about LSU. We need to talk about South Carolina. We need to talk about Michigan. We need to talk about Miami. We need to talk about Ole Miss. We need to talk about who of the teams not on this list. Ole Miss. Indiana. Texas A&M. Missouri.
Starting point is 01:10:03 We got a lot of teams we need to talk about. Yeah, I don't think we need to talk about Florida. We've talked a lot about Florida, but we can. I guess everybody knows how we feel about that. We we. Oh, Oregon. I'd love to talk about Oregon. We are. I tell you what of the top 10 that we didn't talk about today that we need to talk more about Oregon and Clemson. Yeah. And like Clemson, I think we've both been on record of like, hey, they've got good players everywhere. They're going, and like Clemson, I think we've both been on record of like, hey, they've got good players everywhere. They're going to be good. But like, I think that Illinois probably deserves a little bit more of a magnifying
Starting point is 01:10:31 glass discussion. Yeah. Yeah. But SMU to what's going on with SMU there. This is just this is gonna be a week worth of podcasts, to be honest. And then we'll do it again when I do it. Well, I'll tease another one. We've been talking about this team at all. I got Louisville down there at 24. Go look at Louisville schedule. Is it easier?
Starting point is 01:10:52 It's much easier than last year, and I think they're going to be a better team than they were last year with an easier schedule. Yeah, I might have too low. And I'm going to use this afternoon to to like make some more notes about what I didn't like about this. I Love it. Bring your complaints to me. Bring all of your complaints to me. We'll talk to you tomorrow

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