Andy & Ari On3 - Shedeur Sanders gets PRANKED by a dummy and gets PICKED by the Browns

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

We hosted Andy & Ari On3 LIVE from the Draft in Green Bay last week, and it was a blast. Thanks to Culver’s for bringing us to the Great Wisconsin Tailgate. Born in Wisconsin, Culver’s is the home of the legendary ButterBurger, Fresh Frozen Custard and Wisconsin Cheese Curds—there’s no better representation of America’s Dairyland than that. But Culver’s isn’t just in Wisconsin. There’s one near you now. So grab a ButterBurger and a Cement Mixer and let’s talk some football. Thank you to Gametime for sponsoring today's episode! Planning your college football travel for this season? Want to hit a concert or comedy show this week? Gametime has tickets to every game. (And every concert and comedy show.) And Gamete has the best deals on last-minute tickets. Download the Gametime App and enter code: STAPLES for $20 off your first purchase, terms apply. Last Minute Tickets, Lowest Prices, Guaranteed.(0:00-9:27) Intro: Shedeur Sanders' Prank Call(9:28-18:34) Browns Selecting Shedeur, Mel Kiper(18:35-25:50) Browns QB Room(25:51-27:07) Gametime(27:08-29:20) Culver's(29:21-32:34) Would Arch return next season?(32:35-54:06) Did Quinn Ewers make the right call?(54:07-1:03:05) Bill Belichick and his girlfriend(1:03:06-1:13:51) WR Trebor Pena to Penn State(1:13:52-1:15:33) Conclusion The NFL draft is in the books, and the Shedeur Sanders story continues to dominate. He finally got picked Saturday by Cleveland in the fifth round, but the weirdest story in the draft took a bizarre turn Sunday when one of the people who prank-called Sanders on Friday night was revealed to be the son of the Falcons’ defensive coordinator. The draft story that will become a more interesting college football story in December and January is what happened to Texas quarterback Quinn Ewers. He was taken in the seventh round by the Miami Dolphins, meaning he probably would have made far more in NIL money by transferring and playing another season of college football.Trebor Pena has decided he will be going to Penn State from Syracuse. Is this James Franklin's missing piece for the Nittany Lions? Watch us LIVE, M-F at 9:30 am et! https://youtube.com/live/PJdFfy9UBpU Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Want to partner with the show? E-mail [e-mail]

Welcome to Andy and Ariane 3 presented by Culver's. This is not a prank call. This is the real show. We would never do such a thing. We would call you earnestly and tell you when you got picked in the draft. We would never ever play that prank. Ari, we got to talk about Shura Sanderson because there's a whole lot of it like where he ultimately got picked. The milk hyper meltdown, but also this prank call thing, which here's the thing we were at dinner Friday night and we see the video of the prank call on the Chador Sanders side. And the reason this all blew up is because they were filming it.

Dion Sanders Jr. His brother was filming this and so there was a is because they were filming it. Deion Sanders Jr., his brother, was filming this. And so there was a live stream and everybody saw it. And we were like, man, how did they get his number? That dude's a legend for getting Shador Sanders' number. Well, yeah, if you had to work for it and get his number, then you're a legend. If you're the son of an NFL defensive coordinator who just took it off your dad's iPad, you're a dumbass. Yeah, I mean also too when you think about like traceability,

if it was just who could have done this, anybody in the world, or who could have done this, somebody who is connected to one of the 150 people that have this phone number, like that is of the 150 people that have this phone number. Like that is a bad look. And I actually, it just like rubbed me the wrong way. And like, listen, I'm no like saint. I took pizza out of someone's hands. I've stolen a jewel out of somebody's hands in Vegas. Like, I just don't. I don't know that story. Oh, yeah, I told you about that. Okay. Well, see, after COVID, I took a jewel out of somebody's hands that was walking by me and ripped it, and then Britt got really mad at me,

and like we almost broke up over it. Because it wasn't the action, it was the- A-J-U-U-L, not A-J-E-W-E-L. Ah! No, I've never stolen, I've never stolen precious metals. But like the thing that I just got on my high horse about on that Andy is just like,

it was just like a terrible human move. Like, I don't know. I just like, I know like the thing that I think is interesting is that the entire world is split up into two people, Colorado fans and everybody who hates Shador Sanders. And like, I feel like there's nobody in between. And I don't hate Shador Sanders.

Like I know, but I'm saying that's terrible for him in this situation. But here's the thing. But if we want to have an adult conversation about it, let's have an adult conversation about it. If you think something is funny by hurting somebody else, I think you're an asshole, but at the same time, Shador Sanders has behaved repeatedly during his college career and even before it in a way that makes people not feel bad for him for being bullied. Can both of those things be true? Both of those things are true.

OK, so like I felt bad for Shador. I thought it was a terrible, terrible look. Because listen, by the time he got the prank call, he had already slid in way further than people anticipated. I think we found out after the draft that he was never even a first or second round pick in anyone's mind, but at the time that it happened he was waiting for his name to be called. Remember he and his dad were leaning forward into the TV staring at the Saints pick at number nine. Like it wasn't just like the world thinking that they were going to get picked in the top 10, they thought they were going to get picked in the top 10. So when that happened, was it the second or third round? They had already been.

It was the second round. It was right before they picked Tyler Shook. So they had already been embarrassed publicly. Like, it had already become a skeptical long before that call came. So can you imagine being live streamed, being somebody who you could criticize for not being humble enough, getting a phone call that he knows is being filmed and streamed? You don't actually have to have the live stream on at that point. That is a choice.

Right. Well, I know. But like, hey, listen, I mean, we're in the streaming business that you stream when people are most eager to watch. Like, that's true. That's true. The, the almighty dollars box, but like I just. Don't I didn't think it was funny like that's the thing. It wasn't. Pranks are supposed to be. Well, the guy wasn't for the guy who did. It wasn't funny and the guy who got the number was not the guy who was talking. I think Ole Miss caught a stray in this

thing too, because I don't think this was an Ole Miss student. I think it was a dude wearing an Ole Miss sweatshirt. Because Jax Ulbricht, the son of the defensive coordinator of the Atlanta Falcons, Jeff Ulbricht, last seen as the interim head coach of the New York Jets, Jax Ulbricht is a D3 running back at a place called Barry. And he's the one who took the number. He's the one in the video, producer River, let's show the video. He's the one off to the side in this video. Hey, is this your dude?

This is Mickey Loomis here, the GM of the New Orleans Saints. How you doing? This is Mickey Loomis here, GM of the Saints. How you doing? Good, how are you doing? This is Mickey Loomis here, GM of the Saints. How you doing? Good, how are you man? Good, been waiting on you. Yeah, we have. It's been a long wait man. We're gonna take you with our next paper here man. It's time to be ready to do. But you're gonna have to wait a little bit longer man. Sorry about that I mean first of all your punchline sucked. It was you have to wait a little bit longer

Like you're gonna throw like a D's nuts in there or something like I mean like yeah I'm gonna be funny about it Like I don't know like it just like was it just seemed cruel. Yeah I mean this this kid was was just dry and terrible and then Jack's Ulbrich like Jack's Ulbrich probably not a public person. Well, guess what you made yourself a public person by doing this Yeah, you stole these numbers off your dad's iPad. So should or Sanders got a number got a phone from boost mobile I don't know if they do this for every draft pick. I'm assuming this is like a deal with the NFL. But Chidor Sanders got a phone from Boost Mobile that was just for the draft that had that number that he had only given to NFL teams. So, figuring out where this came from wouldn't have been that hard. But think about how stupid Jack's Ulbrich has to be to be in a video.

Of this also, they get to put on the internet. Like it didn't turn out this way, but he jeopardizes father's job. Oh yeah. No question. Like I don't think people have gone down that rabbit hole yet, but like if he, if his father would have gotten fired or let go for this, then I don't think people would have been like, oh my God, what are they doing? I think that was like a, I was like, is he going to lose his job when they figure out that this was connected to him? Because like also too, like he just leaves his iPad open

in his house with all the numbers on there. Like I guess, I mean, it's your home. You don't ever anticipate anybody in your family would hurt you. But like, it just, like, it wasn't funny. It wasn't executed in a funny way And even if it would have been executed in a funny way would have been cruel So like I I don't like to be a high horse person. We all have our flaws We all you know make mistakes, but like I just don't I've never understood and will never understand why hurting somebody is funny to people Well, even if you think that person's not humble or arrogant That's the thing it completely reframed the conversation around Shador Sanders because what was the conversation?

It wasn't that Shador Sanders has off-field issues like arrests or anything like that. It was that they don't like his personality and his personality, the entitlement, whatever it was during the interviews that they didn't like, that's not, you don't want to deal with that in a backup quarterback. You're willing to deal with it if it's somebody who's good enough to be a starter, but you're not willing enough, you're not willing to deal with that in a backup quarterback. It reframed the conversation

because it made Chidora a sympathetic figure because these guys were just being jerks. And by the way, Tyler Warren got prank called to they're looking into that. They think it may have come from the same number. The reason that Tyler Warren one didn't come out is because there wasn't anybody live streaming Tyler Warren on the other side of it. So that's why that didn't blow up. And apparently there were there were some other ones, too. blow up and apparently there were there were some other ones too. So it is incredibly stupid. Then again, if you're the son of a plumber with no connection to the NFL and you somehow get your hands on this number, my respect for you goes way up. Like you're a legend.

Yeah. If you are like a cyber hack genius and the hilarious thing is that this man who did it shares the last name with one of the biggest cyber scammers in the history of the world. I don't know if you ever made that prediction or not, but he does. No, I didn't. Ross Ulbricht is the guy who made the Silk Road, which is the black market trading. Oh, I'm the one who told you to read the book. So how about that? That's the first thing that I like I thought of I was like, well, we thought this was some like mega scammer who knew how to like hack internet, phone numbers or

whatever and did something like unbelievable. And it turns out that the person that was just the son of a defensive coordinator who shares the last name with an actual computer nerd who did a lot of bad things on the internet, who's now I reason just incredibly stupid, like the stupidest thing that could have happened. But the the Chador thing has spun off in so many directions. Like Mel Kiper was melting down over this. I don't know if it's because well Mel Kiper made

Chador his number one QB and just was embarrassed that Chador dropped to the fifth round. But this was uncomfortable like Reese Davis had to jump in and Reese Davis like we all watch Reese on college game day. Reese Davis is the ringmaster like he's just keeping everything. He's keeping the trains moving on time like he doesn't give his opinions very often because that's not really his job. He had to step in here like it.

I don't know if they teach you in host school. I actually, maybe I need to talk to Reese about this because I wonder as a host, because I felt this with you sometimes, like as a host, sometimes you realize that your co host needs to be tranked. Like you need to hit them with the dark that they hit an elephant with at the zoo. You're gonna talk to your neck. You're crazy. Yeah, you're crazy. So Reese Davis, and you could see it on the broadcast. This is probably the most interesting day three NFL draft broadcast in history.

But Reese Davis, you could tell the moment where he's like, oh no, I must step in here. So we've got the audio of that. It starts out with Lewis Riddick and Mel Kiper Jr. talking and then you'll hear Reese Davis jump in, but Mel's not letting this go. This is about, this is personal. And we know that it is. He had an off the field issue.

No he has not. Mel, you don't have to sell it to me. No, I don't know what we're talking about here. You're right. You're right, yes, you're right. But you know what, but Mel, the talking about here. You're right. You're right. Yes, you're right. But you know what? But Mel, the draft has spoken. That's right.

That's the key, Mel. It's not putting a value judgment on whether those who have it right or wrong. They did. So now, whenever you're in circumstances in life, whether you like them, whether you don't like them, whether they're fair or whether they're unfair, you might have to deal with them. And now, Shad your standard has to deal with every time for whatever reason whether he played a minute microscopic percentage zero percentage or it's a legitimate criticism of the way he conducted

himself right during the draft process this was a result yeah now he has an opportunity to answer it there's not a me I think yelling at the NFL about it it's not we're not a quarterback boom It was a boomer sizing was not happy with the second round They drop how they turn out Nobody's argue that I can have race the NFL has been clueless for 50 years when it comes to evaluating quarterback clueless all that no idea what they're doing in terms of evaluating quarterback. That's proof, there's proof of that. How many times?

They say we know exactly what we're talking about with quarterback, they don't. Nobody's bad at a thousand, dare they? I guarantee you, when Reese Davis said nobody's bad at a thousand here, everybody stood up and looked at their TV and screamed Jimmy Claussen. Because that's another guy Mel Kuyper assumed was going to be a Hall of Famer.

So the thing that I think is really bizarre about this Andy is that he took it very personally. And I think that the reason why people are giving him crap right now wasn't that he was wrong. Mel Kuyper putting him number one on his draft board or wherever he put them, you know, or everybody else had him in the same general vicinity, right, like it's not like he's the only one that thought he was good.

And I'm just very curious like why he not only did he take it so personally, he seemed to be upset about it, you know, and like you're trying to rely on people for NFL draft, you know, analysis. And like, I get fired up on this, on this chat, on this pod all the time, I get fired up on chats with my friends. But like, I'm never really that personally connected to something where it's like, well, except that Colorado should recruit high schoolers, I guess. But like, you know what I mean? Yes, like it felt kind of bizarre watching it, because it was just like like four hours straight

on the first night and then every day consistently for the rest of the draft. Poor field Yates looked like he was watching a tennis match. Yeah. And here's the thing, like those guys, Phil Yates, Lewis Riddick, Daniel Jeremiah, Dane Bruegler, like they don't care.

They probably care if they got one wrong or if they said, we think somebody's gonna get picked here and they didn't get picked here, but it doesn't bother them that much. Like they're not going to come out on TV and scream about it. Well, let me just ask you this, cause this is the most interesting thing about this dynamic

and it involves Mel Kiefer, but it involves everybody. Why do you think everybody got it so wrong and why do you think he actually fell? I think, I don't think everybody got it wrong in that he wasn't a first rounder because I think there were a lot of draft analysts, especially the more plugged in ones, and Mel Kiper is not one of the more plugged in ones anymore,

but the more plugged in draft analyst said, this is not a first round draft pick. He is not getting picked in the first round. So I think at that point, he's a guy who no one is looking at as a day one starter in the NFL. And then it becomes more about fit. It becomes more about what do you want to deal with? And so if you think the circus is coming to town with your backup quarterback, then you're like, maybe we pass on him this time. If he shows up again, we'll grab him later. Like, that's that I think once once you're out of the first couple of rounds, you can you can drop pretty quick. You can you can drop pretty quick

So Dane Bruegler is a buddy of ours and a former co-worker I think that he's one of the best draft analysts in the entire country Yeah And we know that Dane because we work with him is working tape all year round talking to and is very plugged in He talks to Scouts talks to NFL coaches Yeah I went and I looked because I couldn't recall off the top of my head where Dane had Shadoor ranked on his big board top three other prospects in order. Um, and Shadour was number 34, which is a little bit lower than a second round pick also to the second

quarterback. So like for me, obviously where you have them overall, isn't necessarily a correlation of where they're ultimately picked. But if he thought he was the second quarterback, available, it turned out to not be the case. And that's- Well, and that Dane does that also means that there were NFL people telling Dane, we think he could be a decent quarterback.

Some. Now there may have been some who said he's not on our board at all, but that means there were some people saying, yeah, we kind of like him. So like I was arguing with people. You were arguing with people online over the weekend. I wrote a column about going into the second day or the third day. Sorry about Chidor Sanders slide, which is you know, there isn't some mass brand conspiracy because here we are again. Something goes off, you know, off center, not

according to plan and the entire world starts talking about some grand conspiracy that the NFL has against the Sanders family, punishing people who have lucrative NIL deals and all these things. And I thought that was just complete and utter nonsense, right? So like that to me is like if he could play or was actually a first round grade or even an early second round grade, to most people, he probably would have been picked at late, even if he had character issues, which we talked about on the show the other day, still probably would have been a third round pick.

So the fact that he fell to fifth, I'm wondering, do you think that he did that to himself through his own behavior and the way that he handled himself during the draft process? Probably, probably, yeah. Because I don't think that was about the tape, but I also don't think they thought he was a day one starter, which they made very clear. Like they would have picked him in the first round if somebody thought he was a day one starter.

Not only did he not go to a team that needed a he went to a team that needed a quarterback, but they had already picked another quarterback in the third round before him. The Browns to depict Dylan Gabriel, which was the worst pick in the draft, by the way. Because Dylan Gabriel was going to be available in the fourth or fifth round too. Like that was yeah, that was a reach.

I had my Browns diatribes on this before, but it's like when you trade down in the draft, you're making a concession that you're not. You're trying to accumulate more talent and build your roster, right? Like that's when you trade away from drafting Travis Hunter. Your entire purpose as a team is to

accumulate more draft equity in order to build. Yeah, I think the Browns philosophy, at least at first when they did trade out of the Travis the second pick to the Jags so that the Jags could take Travis Hunter and they get an extra first round pick next year the Browns do. I think they are trying to build so that the Jags could take Travis Hunter and they get an extra first round pick next year, the Browns do.

I think they are trying to build so that when they get out from under the Deshaun Watson contract, they have the draft capital to immediately go be good. So, right. And also too, they got Mason Graham, who we've sent on the show is amazing. Like there's no question that Mason Graham, you could probably make the case

that Mason Graham plays defensive tackle as well as Travis Hunter played either of his positions. But he doesn't play too. But lastly- No, but Mason Graham's a great pick. He's a great pick and he's gonna be a long time NFL starter. But that's what, it just doesn't make sense and doesn't jive with what you said, which is, you know,

you're not taking a quarterback this year, you're trading down, you're getting draft capital. And then in your third round pick, when you could be drafting an all pro outside linebacker or corner or safety or whatever, you know, great NFL teams who draft well draft starters and really good players in later rounds, you go get a five foot 11 quarterback who by all accounts was a tremendous college quarterback, but nobody really viewed as you could have taken around later if you'd wanted to. But now it's like, and like, listen, I've done the show too, that like, I understand

like teams taking two quarterbacks in the same draft, letting them compete, try to figure out what you have, blah, blah, blah. I think the Browns still could have done that. They just shouldn't have done that in the third round. Like that, it doesn't make any sense. It just didn't jive. And here's what the Browns have now. Here's their quarterback room.

Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, and Shador Sanders. So what does that mean? That means one of, like one of those three, or one of those four is getting traded or cut. So I would bet I'm just just spitballing here. I would bet Joe Flacco is your starting quarterback on day one. Kenny

Pickett is the one who gets traded or cut and you're rolling with Dylan Gabriel and Chador Sanders as two and three and some more. That's my guess. Yeah. Kenny Pickett signed with the Browns to try to compete for the starting job. I don't think he's gonna be on the team. Right, if he doesn't win the job, they'll trade, he's probably, you can probably get a sixth or seventh round pick for him. So they'll trade him to somebody who needs a quarterback.

Yeah. Unless the Browns do something dumb, which is cut one of the draft picks, which is like I wouldn't put that past them. So, but yeah, so the thing too, I'm sure that the Browns feel, and I guess whatever the Browns feel, you should think the opposite cuz they're dumb and terrible at everything that they do. But maybe Shador Sanders media circus is downplayed a little bit when you come in as a fifth rounder rather than the first or second or third. Like, I mean, I feel like you have less leeway to act in a way that is I mean, I'm just gonna be a media circus because people are obsessed. We're not into this. You see where we picked you like that's where you are. Or if they have to move on from him because it's

an intolerable situation that you can cut somebody in that position and not be like handicapped. So and the Browns have Deshaun Watson. I guess you could say that he's part of the quarterback room, but he's never going to be in that quarterback room again. He retours Achilles, so he's not playing this year. He's never going to play for them again. He probably never going to be in that quarterback room again. So like he's- He retours Achilles, so he's not playing this year. He's never going to play for them again. He probably never going to play anywhere again.

Yeah. So, I mean, however you want to do it, but that would be, so do NFL teams never carry four guys? They might carry somebody else on the practice squad, but your three is your emergency guy anyway. Like it's, so I doubt they carry four. I'd somebody like. If Flacco loses the picket, I'm assuming Flacco just gets released and goes back to being retired.

If picket loses to Flacco, they probably flip picket for seventh round draft pick and move on. And I know this is going to probably like hurt people's feelings, but like I think the Joe Flacco thing is unnecessary. I would like try to roll, this year they're going to stink, right? So like that's the thing that bothered me about the draft pick. It's like, well, if you feel like you needed a backup quarterback in the third round, then what are we doing?

You have two people that you brought onto your team to be backup quarterbacks. Or you know, they had Flacco and Pickett. So like, why are you picking somebody who's probably not big enough or ready enough to play immediately in the third round? And then you go out and get Chideur in the fifth, like it just doesn't jive. But like I would get rid of Flacco, even though he's like a fan favorite after what he did in the leading them to the

playoffs a few years ago, go with the youngest possible player, which is Kenny Pickett, who may still have a 5% chance of being good in this league. Lose, you know, your, your 14 games like you do every year and then try to draft Arch Manning or somebody next year. But like, it's just, to me, if you're trying to rebuild your roster and you're punting on the quarterback position this year, maybe out of necessity because there weren't a lot of great quarterbacks in this draft in comparison to some of the first round heavy drafts we've seen, then why are you wasting two of your seven or six picks, whatever you had this year on quarterbacks that aren't even gonna be on the team in two years? Now, maybe one of them will come out of the abyss and be the starter and

they want to draft the quarterback next year. And maybe that's the hope and the best case scenario, but all- I mean- Can you imagine what Mel is gonna be like if Shadour winds up the starter for the Browns? I mean, it's not- If he finishes the season of the Browns starter, Mel is going to be insufferable next year. The thing that is interesting about the Shador Sanders pick, Andy, is that a week ago, two months ago, we all accepted that somebody was going to trot him out as their starter

this year. Like this, like the fact that he, like the notion that he's just a throwaway fifth round pick. Yeah, that's the thing. I still think he could be an NFL starting quarterback. That idea didn't exist a week ago. So like, let's not act like this is like some sort of like, oh, everybody knew that Shador couldn't play. We all were talking about like, should the Titans take him or Cam Ward a month ago? Like everybody was on board. So like, if the Browns would have taken Shadour in the third, I would have been like, okay, well, you got great value on a guy that people thought you might take

in the first round. In the third round, that's worth a shot. And then they draft the rest of their team because they got like Quinlan Jenkins and Harold Fanon. And by the way, Harold Fanon is a dog, by the way. I don't know how many Bowling Green games they're watching on here. But like they had a pretty good draft.

Otherwise they got Dylan Sampson, our boy. Like I mean they got some good players, but it just they kind of like torpedo their own plan in the middle of it. So the hope for them is that it works out. But I given that Jersey that has like 39 names on the back. Have you seen the Tim couch Jersey that has all the quarterbacks? It's like four rows of quarterbacks that have started since 02 or whatever. Maybe Flacco, Gabriel, and Sanders

get added to that jersey this year. It's entirely possible. I mean, there could be three new names on that jersey because Flacco's already on it, right? So. Oh yeah. Or can you do Flacco again since it was two years ago? I think you have to do Flacco again.

You brought him back out of retirement. All right, Samuel Brown has a question in the chat that will help us transition to our next topic. You think Arch Manning is going to come out after only starting one season? Yes. Oh, Samuel. Yeah, he blows out this season. Yeah, he's coming out. He'll be the number one pick in next year's draft. If that happens, we don't know. But it does lead us to a conversation about we did. We did talk about a bunch of players we think could be the first round picks next

year at the quarterback position on. On Friday. And he's one of them. So yeah. I mean, it's like. Right now, Andy, he would be by far the runaway. He already every every way to early mock draft has him. Yeah. Number one. They've already started it. So yeah, but it depends on how he plays. It definitely depends on how he plays. But we do have to talk about another Texas quarterback. But first, I want to tell you about game time, the place to get last minute tickets. You can start planning for your college football travel because they got they got the tickets to the college football games that

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Ari's in Texas. They're all over the place in Texas now. So get yourself to Culver's. Get yourself a cement mixer. Get yourself a butter burger. Get yourself some curds. It's fantastic. All right.

Speaking of Texas, did you see the text? I saw the text from our from our editor, Luke Stampini. He says 95% chance Arch returns in 2026. The success of NFL QBs that only played one season of college football is almost nil. Zach Wilson says to that. Wait a second. Oh, wait.

Zach Wilson was not successful in the NFL, my bad. So here's the thing about this text. Every single thing that Arch Manning has done during his recruitment through his career has been atypical to the modern times. So I think that you could make the case that if there was ever a family that would turn their back on a first round pick

because they felt development was more essential, they would be that family, fair? Yeah, they would do that, yes. That said, if you think it's a 95% chance, Luke, let's get some odds going. We'll do a little handshake bet. He's gone. I feel like he will go if he's a top 10 pick, right? Like nobody turns their back on a top 10 pick. Plus, isn't that the whole point of what he's been doing the last two years developing behind the scenes. Is it the whole point of what he's I don't know. I don't know. We'll find out. I'm going to write a column today

after we're done here and get it to you and then we'll talk on the phone. We'll iron out the terms of this bet. Yeah, I do want to see this bet between Ari and Luke. Luke Stampini is our editor and he is he's convinced that Arch Manning here's the term of the bet, because here's the thing he said 95% chance that Arch will come back in 2026. But does that also encompass like the potential that he doesn't play well

enough to be a first rounder? Because that's the case. And that but like there's a no, no, that doesn't come. But that does encompass that which so Luke Scott the safer side of the bet because we said that like it depends on how he plays like if

he's great then there's a decision if he's not great then there's not a decision but if he's a first round pick after the season what is your percentage of him going is not 95% right I think I think it would be very high because he'd already been in college three years it's not yeah I'm I'm more on your side on this. If he plays really well, I think. If it looks like he's going to be a top 10 type pick and from a measurable

standpoint all that they're going to love him. So I think I'm with you on this. The funniest thing too, because I just started looking at like way too early mock drafts because I forgot those existed is that all of them have him going to the Saints? Which would be really, really, really cool. No pressure.

Whole town. For the Giants, one of those three. But hopefully not the Giants because they just they just did it again. He just grabbed Axe and Dart. So I will say though, we'll find a way to not get him. I wish I could bet that. Is there a prop bet of like wherever our football is not going to be Cleveland? Because they can't even tank properly. So somebody will take that bet. Somebody will take that. All right. That was not the Texas quarterback conversation I meant to have, but I'm glad we had it. Here's a different one. Will what happened to Quinn Ubers change the way quarterbacks make their draft decisions going forward?

Because I don't think so either, but let's talk about that. Wait, way to torpedo the whole segment. Sorry, I just got excited. So Quinn Ubers, three year starter at Texas, leaves for the NFL, seventh round pick of the Dolphins. Sat around in a room filled with lots of dead animal heads for a long, long time waiting for someone to call.

The Dolphins finally called. We know that Quinn Hewers could have made millions of dollars as a college quarterback in 2025. Now, it would not have been at Texas. Arch Manning is ascending at Texas. Quinn would have had to go somewhere else. Miami is probably a place he could have gone because remember the Carson Beck thing for Miami didn't happen until like January 9th or 10th.

So Quinn Ubers, if he wanted to go to another school, could have put that out into the world through his agent while he was still playing for Texas in the playoff and that could have gotten done. Clearly, Quinn Ubers did not want to do that. If you could make four million plus, three million plus for one year in college over being a seventh rounder, Ari, what would you do? So here's the deal with this and hat tip to Luke who we were just talking about. So I was bold enough River is here too but River and I were supposed to share a hotel room on Friday night because we both had 6 a.m. I have no idea where this is going but go ahead. Saturday morning. This is it always lands Andy.

OK, the plane always takes off and it always lands. Well, it doesn't take off on time with you in it. I know where this story that part of the story is going. But when we got to the hotel, I was like, you know what man, just get your own room. We're in a Marriott. It's 120, but whatever it was,

I'll get you a room, get your own room and because his flight left at 550 something and mine was at 530 and mine was at 608. So it's like I want the extra half hour. But what happened was we were outside in the freezing cold for two straight days with the Culver stuff, which is a blast, but it also was draining because we had all this camera equipment and we were going back and forth. I was shivering the whole time. And I set my alarm for five o'clock or six o'clock p.m. so we can go to dinner with Dan Rubenstein, who we delivered cheese to. Are we gonna talk about that? We went out of our way. We'll talk about that later in the show. Okay. But the worst iPhone feature is,

if you go into the alarm settings, and I'm gonna show you right now, and you scroll down to get into PM, right? And then you hit the alarm to go onto a PM slot and then close it. When you want to go back in later to set an alarm, it is exactly where it was before. So I forgot that I set an alarm to not miss dinner with Dan in case I fell asleep at in the PM. So when I got home at night, I set my alarm for

430 and 445 AM, but it was actually 430 and 445 PM because it didn't revert back. Yeah, grownups look at the whole thing. The 4 and the 30 and the AM or PM. I'm not saying I didn't make a mistake. I'm saying it should revert back down to the bottom because 90% of alarms are set in the morning. Am I wrong about that? Like if there was a total sum of how many times people set alarms, I would say the vast majority of them are in the morning. So anyway, an apple for this. And then on top of it, like I didn't even have river in the room to like shake me, hey, it's time to wake up. So I missed my flight, I

woke up at 645. And my plane had already landed in Phoenix in Dallas by the time I even woke up. And then Luke's like, hey, and then I was like decided like I was going to write a Chidor column at night, but I wrote it in the morning. And then Luke's like, we need one on Quinn Ures too. So see, here we are, we're back. And then I wrote a column as a result of my because I wouldn't have been able to write it on an airplane or whatever because the internet sucks or I was able to write it in

the airport of Chili's about Quinn yours and I asserted two things in this column see we got back here I don't know if that was necessary but I thought it was fun one that the reason why Quinn yours probably went to the NFL is because he has a longhorn tattooed on his thigh he is Texas forever dude in Texas forever illustrated by. So Texas isn't the only college he played for. I know, I know, but he made a mistake and he rectified it very early on in his career. It wasn't a mistake. He went to Ohio State because the state of Texas was not going to allow him to take NIL deals in high school.

So he went to Ohio State to cash in. What are you arguing with me? This is my hypothesis here. Okay, Quinn, go ahead. He's got a long horn tattooed on his freaking thigh, okay? He's in a draft in his house with more bucks on his wall than you've ever seen. There's antelope on there. I think there was a bear up there. They're shooting bears now in Texas? Do people shoot bears? I didn't know that. So he probably thought, well, I've made a bunch of money and the guy was still hawking NIL stuff at the draft with you know, the taco deli and all the things that you know, the Hugo Boss

Polo, he's still doing it. Taco deli is elite, by the way. The taco deli is elite. Um, really good breakfast tacos and I feel bad for the people in this country that live in areas where finding breakfast burritos and tacos is more challenging because it's not there everywhere. So they shoot bears. And this guy is like just Texas forever now. Okay. And maybe he didn't want to to change the way that people

viewed him and his work at Texas, which is with a year at Purdue, right? He doesn't want to be known as the guy that got shoved out by Arch Manning. He known as the guy that got shoved out by Arch Manning. He went to the end of the guy who got shoved out by Arch Manning. But this is the second assertion, which is like, again, always trying to find a bigger picture thought on a very unique situation. There are very few places in college football now and certainly in the future, where a quarterback has accomplished and as good as Quinn Ubers was in college would not be welcome back. Like that's like college would not be welcome back. Like that's like, that's not a very typical thing.

So that you're saying that the Arch Manning piece of it is what makes this particular situation. Yeah, okay. I'm sure he would have come back if Arch Manning didn't exist. I'm sure he would have played again and try to get a whole season. I mean, I don't know why he, like honestly speaking, and like, I'm again, we've talked about this.

Analysts are better at this than I am. I don't know how to pick a good quarterback. But if like how is Riley Leonard getting picked before him? Like there are players that were being picked at the quarterback. Like something else is going. It was a weird position for him to be. I don't think he was supposed to. Quinn's got a.

Quinn's got a tough injury history too. Right. I think that would be part of it. Like Riley Leonard does not throw the ball as well as he does. OK, it's a fact. That's not a I mean, we probably part of it. Like Riley Leonard does not throw the ball as well as he does. Okay. It's a fact. That's not a, I mean, we watched it. Like somebody, have you seen a Ralph Wiggum meme of like, you know, how he gets thrown through the glass? Yes. Since like somebody tweeted, or I saw it on social media of like anybody who picks Riley Leonard in the NFL

has to run this play 12 times a game. And it was just throwing Ralph Wiggum into the glass because of the first drive of the national championship game they did that because he can't throw that well right like he's not a proficient passer and he got picked right somebody who's got a great arm and was amazing in her like I said well I think I think Quinn's arm is not viewed as that good I think Quinn's arm is viewed as fine at the college level but not strong enough for the pro level but we know unequivocally that Riley Leonardenners isn't good enough for the pro level.

Like why was he? He was taken behind a lot of players that I thought were worse draft prospects than him. Like so I think that this is a unique situation that happened as a result of only Arch Manning's existence. Two, he's Texas forever. And three, he probably fell further on the draft than he anticipated he would.

Are all those things fair? Those are fair. It's just, and maybe money doesn't matter. I think that might be the other piece. He's also rich. Yeah, if money matters to you, you're going to college. Like you're going back to college because you- I'm not sure that Quinn yours is rich enough

to like turn his nose down at three and a half million. But it may not matter. Like you're thinking about it as how much did he grow up with? There are certain people, it doesn not matter. Like you're thinking about it as how much did he grow up with? There are certain people, it doesn't matter how much they've ever had, money is just not an issue to them. It's not important to them. He may be one of those people. Those are rare people because even the richest people in the world are obsessed with accumulating more. Like there's a lot of things in this world where there's no need for more money.

Some people might just want to shoot a bear. Now it probably takes a lot of money to shoot a bear but yeah also I went to there's a shopping center called Highland Highland Park Village in Dallas and if you're from here you're aware of it but it's a very upscale it's where my wife saw her ex-boyfriend on the billboard there is a Beretta store there you know Beretta the guns mm-hmm yep so I went in there because I don't know anything about guns, don't have a gun, and I'm frankly afraid of them. But it was a cool store. And they had hunting rifles in there for 40 grand. Is that how much a hunting rifle costs?

No. You get them in Walmart pretty cheap. I don't know. But it's not a cheap hobby though. Like they had those like cool hunting vests, like where they have like the orange thing right here. It's definitely not a cheap hobby. Like ammo is expensive. It is very expensive. But again, I don't know if Quinn Ures is that motivated by money.

Because I think people who are primarily motivated by money would have taken the paycheck to play wherever it is he would have put. Because remember, his decision would have come in the, in the winner portal window when they're, because we talked about this with Nico. One of the reasons Nico's market fell so flat is because there just weren't a lot of bidders in the marketplace because everybody had spent their quarterback budget in the winter. Yeah, he would have done it right away.

Yeah. Quinn, yours could have done that and would have commanded quite a bit of money like he would have even considered doing it at all. No, it exactly right. It exactly and he said it because he got asked before the. Before the Cotton Bowl before they played Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl and he said, I'm just ready for something different.

Yeah, um. I don't know. But I wonder, I wonder, cause look, we know Quinn Uris had professional representation. I'm sure at the time he was presented with all the options and presented with all the likely outcomes and that this outcome was one that was presented to him.

and that this outcome was one that was presented to him. And so I think he decided this with all the information. Like he probably knew how much he was giving up and leaving on the table by doing this. Yeah. So the question is that you initially started with Andy was, does this change the way people view their, I think 99% of the time that player that is Quinn would be welcome back but in the 1% that he isn't welcome back and Arch Manning hasn't been breathing down his neck

for two years they probably would still transfer. Well there okay was Carson Beck welcome back? I don't know. Maybe not. So I don't know if this situation is unusual as you think it is. Like, okay, I'll give you a hypothetical. Let's say Graham Mertz does not get hurt in the middle of the Florida season. And but the results are the same. Like they still get better as the season goes on. They beat LSU and Ole Miss, but DJ Lagway sitting there ready. And Graham Mertz had another year. I realized he didn't.

Also Graham Mertz got drafted before Quinn too, right? That too, yeah. But they would have been like, no, you can go because DJ Lagway time is here. Like that would have, oh, here's one. I think Sam Hartman was kind of in that situation at Wake Forest. It was kind of time for him to go. And he went to Notre Dame.

But every single one of the ones that you are mentioning here did the thing that Quinn didn't do. So like when you say, will it change the way people view their draft? Yeah, I guess you're right. I guess you're right. Quinn's the one that just don't know. He's not a trend. He's the, what's it?

He's the exception to the rule, not the. He's the outlier. He's the outlier. So will anyone ever do that again if they're not like a rock solid first or second round draft? I mean, maybe if they have a Longhorn tattoo on their thigh. Maybe. I don't think that's. I don't think that is simple. And

like, I think wins probably at some point going to open up about this. I would love to hear it. I would love to hear it. And it probably is something as simple as, hey, I'm not as motivated by money as other people are. I wanted to be one of the guys who brought Texas back. And I am. I don't want to play for anyone else. I'm a Longhorn, which, and you know what? Like Quinn takes a lot of pot shots from people.

And like I saw somebody on my former beat tweeted a picture of his recruiting profile and said, is this the worst evaluation of like the recruiting era? And I thought that was absolutely asinine. Like the guy was a very accomplished three year starter who was on the edge of the national title game in his final two years and got drafted like their DJU was worse was a miss evaluated. You can even make the case that

Cam Ward was a bigger miss evaluation doesn't have to be in the bad. Cam Ward was a much bigger miss evaluation the other way. But he was playing in a wing team didn't even throw passes. I actually don't think that he like was evaluated at all because of the circumstances. Right. Yeah. That like to me it's like I think that it's revisionist history to pretend like Quinn yours is some sort of flop. I actually think that he's going to be quite beloved in the Texas like lore. Like I think that he is a longhorn that will be welcomed back and cheered for forever. Well and actually now that's okay now I'm thinking about this. And actually, now that's, okay, now I'm thinking about this. Now I'm thinking about this.

The long view of this. Quinn Ubers, Texas legend versus Quinn Ubers $3 million richer played his last year at Purdue, played his last year wherever. The long tail of that is probably better for Quinn Ewers Texas legend without the addition of the other thing. Yeah, like what is it like Quinn Ewers and like I think Miami

seemed to be the logical landing spot, but like here's the thing, right? Could he have ended up at a Georgia or Ohio State had he done it in the winter? It's possible because like, you don't like you certainly don't want to go play for a team that isn't going to compete for a title right I mean like you know but if you could have gotten dropped into Ohio State and I don't know Jeremiah Smith with to throw to Jeremiah for a year and maybe try to run it back and then maybe even put a bow on where you began

your career because it's a place that he's familiar with and been, then maybe that would be the case. But I think that, honestly, if I had to guess, and I've been around Quinn a few times in my career, talked to him when he was in high school, but I'm not gonna act like I know him. If I had to guess the reason and the motivation for it, I think it can be found in the draft room that he was in,

in his house, and on his for it. I think it can be found in the draft room that he was in in his house and on his left thigh. I think that's fair. I think that's perfectly fair. And I hope he winds up in the NFL for a long time, gets a big second contract and we don't even have this conversation. But also Right. If you got him in the seventh round, I would take a flyer on. Yeah. Yeah Who do you think also do what you want to do run your own race? What do you think's got a better? proposition of being a long-term NFL guy Dylan Gabriel or Well, I actually thought Quinn ended up where Dylan Gabriel should have logically should have ended up like you have a lefty quarterback

With a certain skill set who's a certain size. You can take a lefty quarterback with a certain skill set is a certain size to back him up. That actually would have worked pretty well. Like for your offense again, like listen, maybe Dylan Gabriel will turn out to be the next, you know, but I don't think the Dolphins would have taken Dylan Gabriel's eyes. The Browns did so there you go. Now also here's the other thing too guys

So, you know me and my gambling Mm-hmm. I bought a bunch of Zach Wilson cards You're just ready you're ready for Zach Wilson to break out when to it gets hurting. I think eventually eventually I Think it's a safe. It's happened every year. It happened every year and's got a very fragile head. Which by the way is a conversation we always had about putting yours at Texas. Right, but he won't be playing so he'll be healthy, presumably. But I've always thought, and you call me crazy, but like I don't think that, do you think Zach Wilson stinks? Because I think in Miami he could be pretty good. Like I have this theory that like he, his career is not dead yet

if he gets thrown, like it would be better than it was. So like a Sam Darnold situation where if you put him with the best receivers in the world, suddenly he gets much better. Yeah, and you play in a warmer climate that is more fun and gun type NFL and you have really good run, like Devon A-Chain is an innings eater.

How many times did Miami move the sticks last year by throwing lateral routes at Devon A-Chainz is an innings eater. How many times did Miami move the sticks last year by throwing lateral routes to Devon A-Chainz out of the backfield? Like I feel like it's a very quarterback friendly offense, but now I wonder like maybe Quinn Ewers will be the starting quarterback for the Dolphins in week 11. Like it could happen.

Chris with a really interesting question in the chat, I was wondering if it would have been too late for Tennessee to get Ewers, especially if you saw the writing on the wall and Tennessee offered a really good deal. It would have been too late for Tennessee to get yours, especially if you saw the writing on the wall and Tennessee offered a really good deal. It would have been too late. It would have been, yeah. There's a deadline, like once you, it's in January,

and once you go past that deadline, you can't play in college again. Now, it's interesting because- And then the combine already had happened at that point, like yours had already gone through the combine. Combine hadn't happened at that point. The deadline is before the combine, but- You know what I is before the combine combine happened before the the the Nico stuff happened. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The NFL process. Yeah. Now, if somebody

wanted to challenge that in court, I think they'd probably win. I don't think when you were gonna be one to challenge it. Because the big thing used to be you can't hire an agent. But now that everybody has an agent, that's not a qualifying basketball, you can you can get almost to the draft. I think you can go, you might be able to go through the draft. I know you can like, because when I wrote that Cooper flag column, I read up on all the basketball rules. There's definitely a period like two weeks before the draft that is between the lottery and the draft where you can pull out of the draft. Here's what would

happen. Go play college basketball. Interesting thought exercise because somebody in my friend chat texted me the same question of like, could Quinn have just gone somewhere else instead of doing this? And like, here's the thing. If you sue the NCAA in order to go back as long as you don't enter the pros, what's the stop everybody from going through the combine, seeing what their stock is and then, you know, like nothing, but I think you need,

I think that you need to draw a hard and fast rule of like once you participate in the combine, then you're a pro. Like I don't think that you could do it so that like, you know, I think maybe you can make the deadline past January if you wanted to, now that there's a portal window in the spring, but if you make the decision to go test at the combine or

or be in the senior bowl or do any of the pre NFL draft, you know, combine type events, then you're officially a pro because then at this point you would have 900 people going to the to all these things that have no intention to go into the pros. They find out there's six round picks. Well, they only invite so many people to combine. So you could even let them go into the pros. They find out there's six round picks. Well, they only invite so many people to combine. So you could even let them go through the combine if you wanted to, because you wouldn't have that many people who went through the combine pulling out of the draft.

How many people would announce and test the NFL market? You know, it would make maintaining college rosters untenable because then you would, you could lose your half your roster who will want to see how they're doing. I mean, think about Georgia. How many players are have to, are on the verge of you know third round picks who return to those yeah I mean listen they're gonna have to figure it all out and it's all

it's all the stuff we keep saying but that they're gonna do but electric would it be though if there was a post-combine portal window Where people who went into the portal after they tested for the NFL and they found that their stock wasn't where it was then enters to go right? Because these these wouldn't be guys who didn't win jobs. These would be guys who had been one two

year three year starters in college football already so who don't know what to do and then they decide what. Because like listen, you can go run the 40th combine. Xavier Estrepo was out of was out of. who don't know what to do and then they decide what? Cause like, listen, you can go run the 40 at the combine. Xavier Restrepo was out of eligibility, right? He was, he was down. Okay, I'm saying like somebody in that position

that goes run slow, was like, you know, I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna work out for another year. I'm gonna break my school record in receptions and then I'm gonna go back to college. Like, I don't know. It's just, we're in a world where, it's not my idea. People like awful idea. Ari, I'm just saying it could if somebody sues. No, if somebody wants to sue, it could happen. Quinn yours is not going to be that person. Yeah. Maybe Shador Sanders. Can you imagine? He's showing for months. Yeah. I mean,

because he had another year, didn't he? Or no? Yeah, he had one more year, because he had two years at Jackson State. I'm sorry, one year at Jackson State and two years at Colorado. So, yeah, no, I think... Yeah, we'd have shows for months at that point, but... It'd be good for us. It'd be great for us. I don't know how a single coach would

be able to maintain a roster, but it would be good for us. Poor coaches. Can you imagine if Shador Sanders entered the portal last week? My god. You thought we were bad with Nico. You were tired of hearing us talk about Nico. You were really tired of that.

All right, one more thing over the weekend. And this is, well, it's another NFL college collision because we haven't actually seen this man coach in college yet. Bill Belichick was profiled on CBS Sunday Morning. For those who, for those who know, CBS Sunday Morning is a show that's watched by 70 year olds. It's a view on Sunday. It's not even the view.

It's like they have these flowery features usually like ice. I'm I'm showing my well, just how weird I am like I used to watch it with Charles Osgood back in the day and they take these like tours of jelly jelly factories in rural Vermont. Like that's the sort of thing. That's

the fair you're getting with CBS this morning. Not controversial in the least. They did a profile of Bill Belichick because you know, the target demographic that you're aiming for when you're now a college football coach is of course, 70 year olds and Andy. He gets profiled. And they start asking questions about his relationship with his girlfriend Jordan Hudson, who has been very much out there, who who has made their relationship very public on Instagram. And. We've only got the audio of this. If you want to look at the clip, please do, because the hair on this guy who works for CBS is spectacular.

I do need to also congratulate and thank Bill Belichick for dressing up for the occasion. Like he really went. He's wearing a Navy sweatshirt with holes in it. It's amazing. And it's not like a distressed Valenciaga hole. Like that's a true, like that hole is earned.

They asked him on the show. How does that hole happen? And he's like, I don't know, man. He doesn't work for Navy, which is another college football team. He's had that sweater since before you were born, Andy. There's no question. Correct, correct. Dad was a coach at Navy for a long time.

It's it. But let's just roll a clip because they made it weird when they didn't have to. Jordan was a constant presence during our interview. You have Jordan right over there. Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship. They've got an opinion about your private life. It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it. How do you deal with that?

Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks. Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right. How did you guys meet? Not talking about this. No? No. It's a topic neither one of them

is comfortable commenting on. Really? So she doesn't have to do that. It is OK. She's acting as his PR agent. And we've seen this over and over again. We saw it with the North Carolina leaked emails and stuff. This is where her lack of experience in actual PR shows because

it takes on 50 billion TV interviews, he can handle that question just fine without it becoming thing. In fact, he's probably gonna give such a boring answer that they'll never use it. But when she inserts herself into it, now it's guaranteed to be on the show. Guaranteed. So yeah, I think that we were trying to come up with what to put at the bottom of the show right here Which is you made it weird and Andy came up with that because it's like Whether or not you want to acknowledge it or not People are obsessed and fascinated and somewhat You know, I don't know what the word is like they are

Infatuated with this. Okay For obvious reasons, it's the most interesting thing about Bill Belichick being North Carolina's head coach, which is saying something, because it just means it hasn't been very interesting with him being North Carolina's head coach. This is a. This is a TMZ. Dream scenario.

So if you are going to make your relationship public, which Jordan does. All the time, there is a picture of Bill Belichick With a fishing rod pulling her out of the ocean as she dressed up like a mermaid Which we can do an entire show try to break down. He's dressed as the Gorton's fisherman essentially. It's a it's Halloween last year Oh, I'm having a wholesome PR moment Where you are actually being frank about your odd relationship, but you're both adults and you can both do whatever you want. Then answer it in a non weird,

honest way. And people will accept that people accept how they met at the beginning. What's crazy is the story of how they met is a publicly accepted thing. It was on TMZ a few years ago or in the past year. And it was that they were on a plane. She was reading a book called Deductive Logic that was written by a Harvard professor. They struck up a conversation. He signed her book in the TMZ story.

There's video of the book with his autograph on it. How do you think they got that? You think they stole it? I don't. It was given from the person who. Yeah. But like, so the thing of like, we're not talking about that. Also to the weird like now it makes me wonder how they actually met.

Yes. And the power dynamic is like starting to come into focus a little bit and like it's the exact opposite of what people thought. People thought it was an older man with money and power, like going after a really young woman. And it kind of looks like from my, listen, I've never been in the same room

as these two people. And you know, I don't like talking about other people's relationships, but we're on a podcast. Well, we know the power dynamic in both of our relationships. So we kind of feel you, Bill Belichick. Let me tell you something, as somebody who's in the midst of this, I know exactly what it looks like. And yeah, it looks like Jordan's the one

with the power in this relationship. Yeah, unfortunately, she, as great as she thinks she is at PR, she's not yet. Yeah, I don't know. Unfortunately, she as great as she thinks she is at PR, she's not yet and she may be one of these days but this won't go on our sizzle reel. Yeah, that was not the uh the way I would have drawn it up

Andy for sure but uh also the entire interview was completely and utterly uncomfortable. I never once thought in a million years that we would ever discuss anything that appeared on CBS this morning on this year college football show. It's usually like local three year old. Leak say lemonade stand and by

cover bridges of Ohio tour. I don't know. I don't watch that but yeah, very very bizarre and, they probably got more hits on that interview than any other like weird, like local kindergartner teaches you how to make tacos, but with their own twist, right? I don't know, like. Oh, I guarantee it blew up because the people normally watching that

are watching it on linear television or rabbit ears. They are not watching that on the internet. I didn't even know that was a thing until until yesterday. So it's good to see that they're I mean, it seems like they're in love. So good for them. I mean, I don't know what's going on there. Listen, get you get you down the YouTube rabbit hole. Watch some old chalk Charles Osgood CBS this morning. What are the gambling odds of? Her being a person that draws a check from North Carolina in the next

six months in any capacity. I don't think they can do that. I don't think they're going to do that. I think that's too obvious. And who cares? True, and if he's winning, none of it will matter. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of there's an obvious schedule happen, you know. I don't know what's what's like, what's a better, worse look nepotism or what's

the word for this? Is there a fancy word for for nepotism's no nepotism. Who's the defensive coordinator in North Carolina? Yeah, but I'm saying, but what is the word? Oh wait, we're not supposed to mention that he's Bill Belichick's son, right Jordan? According to Jordan. That was what the email said. Oh boy. But yeah, anyway.

I'm a little worried about this, Ari. I'm not gonna lie. I'm a little worried about how this is all gonna go. Although I look at the schedule and maybe I'm sorry, I'm not going to lie. I'm a little worried about how this is all going to go, although I look at the schedule and maybe I'm not about this is. The one question that is going to remain constant until we can see it, which is is Bill Belichick going to be good at his job? Because it would be interesting if like North Carolina was terrible and then this was happening to like this is cute when you think you have

an answer to your problem, which is you're not winning enough, but if this happens or this continues to be a thing while you're losing, I think it's gonna be a tough look. So we'll see what happens, but welcome to college football, Bill. You didn't think we'd notice you. Yep. We do. We noticed, Ari, we do have an actual college football story

that we need to talk about before we go. Okay, I was gonna remind you just in case you forgot. Okay. Yes, very important because my way too early post spring top 25 is out. I believe it's coming out today. Please come out today at on three. Are you still going to do his? He told me that he may shake it up if a certain transaction transacted.

It appears that transaction may have transacted. Trevor Pena, the receiver who was leaving Syracuse, we talked about him when Fran Brown said all the stuff about receivers asking for two million dollars. Trevor Pena didn't ask for $2 million, but he probably asked for more than Syracuse is willing to pay. Ari, he has made a decision on where he wants to transfer. It is Penn State. Come to Penn State. If you know, you know what that was. If you know, you know.

You know, Andy? Yes, I do. It was an old Big Ten Network commercial where Joe Paterno said, come to Penn State. Come to Penn State! We talked about this. It happened. Penn State's number one weakness as a team and a program for the last few years is lack

of explosive, dynamic, wide receiver talent. We also talked about how impossible it was to find somebody who was a proven product, productive, innings eater, ball catcher, game breaker. One fell out of the sky in the spring portal and Penn State capitalized. And it's not just a guy that came from nowhere. He came from the Northeast. He's from New York. And that's New York, one of Penn State's important recruiting footprints.

And they got a guy. And so now when I look around, the reason why I didn't have Penn State hire in our way too early top 25 earlier is I wasn't necessarily convinced that they addressed their biggest issue, which was nobody to catch the football and Tyler Warren's not there. I know they've got some pretty young, exciting players, especially at the tight end position that could help do that, but you don't replace Tyler Warren. So when you go out now and you have your two running backs, you got the night in a sudden, you got good lines, you got a good defense and you got a quarterback that people think is going to be a top five pick a year from now.

You start having the real discussion, which is was Penn State's run in the college football playoff a year ago, the beginning of the window or the end of the window. And it kind of starts to feel like the beginning of the window and how they might be in the conversation for number one overall team in the off season. And before you say James Franklin's a choke artist, shut the hell up because that doesn't matter. It's April. We're analyzing their team. Their team is awesome. And like, obviously we both had Texas winning the national championship. Texas is very, very good and very deep.

But I think you could make a real case that Penn State, in terms of the players who are on the field making plays, is as talented and diverse as anybody else in college football. Agreed. Now the real coconut says lose, Warren, gain, Pena equals net negative. That's not how this works. You're not really understanding how football works. Luke Reynolds is going to replace Tyler Warren at tight end. He's good. He's good. He may not be Tyler Warren, but he should be a productive tight end. This is more about them replacing the receivers who caught zero balls in the orange bowl against Notre Dame. And so now they have Kyron Hudson from USC, Devante Ross who was Troy's best receiver last year and Trevor Pena who caught a bunch of passes for Syracuse.

He's not necessarily a game breaker. He is a guy who's going to get open and catch the ball and get you down the field and move the sticks. It's also pretty good in red zone. So 84 catches, 941 yards. That's 11.2 average. Like that is not off the charts. Nine touchdowns though. Like this is a guy who's going to catch the ball and who can get open field, catch the ball, move the six, keep drives going. The other two guys you brought in, you're hoping will stretch the field. This is your guy who's going to catch the ball.

Yeah, you have not had a guy who's going to consistently be open and catch the ball. I kind of feel like he is like Restrepo ish. No Restrepo averages a little more. No, I'm just saying that's in terms of like getting open, catching the ball, being being reliable for before he's going to catch the ball. Exactly. Understands how space works because he's in the slot. He understands how to find open space. Like this has been Penn State's problem is if they're not in second and short where they can use that running game to just punish you. Like if you if you let's say you miss on first down, and you have second and

longer third and long, like they just haven't had that guy that can get you like 1011 yards at receiver position they had Tyler Warren who could do it. But now they've got probably multiple guys. Because I think Luke Reynolds gonna be like that too. And I would assume one or both of Kyron Hudson and Devante Ross will be that. So I have this now drew Aller has many more options than he had. Yeah. I'm high on Penn State and you're going to release your top 25.

It is out. It's out. Oh, I meant we're going to talk about yours tomorrow. Mine will go tomorrow. And we'll talk about mine at some point too, but I wanted to make this point Andy before we get out of here, which is. Receivers in college football last year were plentiful. It was a very deep receiver draft.

And if you look at where some really good receivers went. Dominic love it. Would you say was the best receiver on George's roster last year was it and he wasn't the first one drafted but I thought he was the best one. Maybe Arian Smith you know Arian Smith go higher because of his measurables is measured because he's going to run really fast. Yeah. You need to be the guy last year. He was a seventh round pick. Yeah. From Maryland. Se round pick Ricky White, the third the UNLV that one. I had a Heisman ballot for half the year, seventh round. Tess Johnson from Oregon, seventh round.

Lejante Wester Colorado, sixth round. Tory Horton from Colorado State, I believe was a fifth round pick. And you start going down this list and I can keep going. Jalen Noel from Iowa State, third round pick. Some guys who fell and it's just like, Trey Harris was a second round pick. I love Trey Harris. By the way, Jim Harbaugh built a squad out in LA. We can talk about that at some point.

I don't know if you're paying attention to that. The point is, how are none of these players on Penn State's roster? Could you imagine if Penn State had Tess Johnson last year, a lowly seventh round pick, who just like barely made it onto an NFL team? Do you imagine that Xavier Restrepo, who wasn't even drafted?

Like, what about even Jacoby George from Miami? He wasn't drafted either. I think he signed with the Panthers. Like none of them were on Penn State's team. Could you imagine Jacoby George was on their team last year? These aren't even I'm not even talking about having Jeremiah Smith. Like all of these people you're talking about they're playing for the national championship if one of those guys is on their team. One of them and again they're not first round picks. I'm not inserting Jeremiah Smith onto their roster. I'm like could you imagine if

they had Trey Harris and that's a second round pick, obviously, but like they didn't have a single player at the position that was even drafted. And I think Keandre Lambert-Smith was on their team at one point, which is funny, but like it's not, it's just not there. So like, listen, Pena might not be a first round pick or a second round pick, but if you make if Trevor Pena is Xavier is what they needed. He is exactly what Penn State needed. And I'm going to what we talked about when James Franklin was on the show and James Franklin unprompted, like we didn't ask him about it. He said, got to get more out of the receiver position. She I don't think we can. I think we're understating how big this was for them.

And people are are saying that we're pumping sunshine because he was on our show at one point. James Frank guys they were they were they if they made 20 yards instead of throwing interception if they made 20 yards and kick the field goal, they would have played for the national championship last year. We're not talking about a bad team. Team addresses big weakness with huge, really good player

at that position. How is that not important? Raymond Horton, come on, Andy. Am I wrong? Would they have not played for the national championship if they kicked a field goal on that last drive instead of throwing interception? Like, that's what happened. Somebody wrote if my grandma had wheels, she'd be a bike and I've never heard that before. I

think that's a good one. I've never heard that. We got to give that one to Wolf long next time he's on. I honestly don't know what that means. Like, these are unequivocal facts. Like, there's not, it's a rope. He hasn't shared an opinion. People just want Penn State to be bad, or want James Franklin to not be a good coach,

or I don't know what it is. But like, they can't reconcile actual facts. Like, Penn State was in the national semifinals last year. They had the ball with two minutes to go through. Aller did throw a terrible interception, but had that drive gone differently, they would have played for the national championship. It's not that far fetched. It's not far fetched. It's what happened. Yeah, if he had three receivers that he felt comfortable throwing to instead of zero. Like, three receivers in a tight end instead of zero receivers in a tight end. You're like reading out a news story right now. Like it's not even an opinion, it's just like what I know.

Yeah, it's what happened. Anyway, I'm gonna write, and'll probably be the one that's gets the brunt of this criticism. But I'm gonna write about pain. Yeah, I almost put a number one coward. Put a number one in your in your post spring top 20 put a number one, come on, do it. You number one and number one and then number three, like, can I like rank them that way? You know, put a number one, don't don't be afraid. Don't be scared. I mean, you said this.

There's people I will. I'm going to do it. I'm going to put him number one. But like I think that. There are people who had Penn State at number one in January before they got pain, you know, guy right. I wouldn't have been weird.

It's not be more comfortable with it now. Yeah, I'm not alone in thinking that that state deserves to at least be talked about in that form. Now, if you want to see where I had Penn State head on three right now, my top 25 is out. Spoiler alert, I think I think Penn State's really good. I think they're going to be in the mix for the national title. But I did move one SEC team up a lot higher than I had them or initially and I dropped one SEC team a lot lower than I had them initially. So I want to look, make sure you have this river, make sure that we have the comparison to where these teams were ranked before because I can't remember where they were. But it looks like Auburn fell a little bit,

if I remember correctly.urn fell a little bit, if I remember correctly. Michigan's a little bit higher than you had them, I thought initially. So we'll see. It's been a few months, but I want to compare that. We're going to talk about it all tomorrow. We'll talk about mine.

We'll talk about yours. You guys in the chat can tell us where we're wrong. Ari can tell me where I'm wrong. I can tell Ari where he's wrong. It'll be great. It's going to be electric. Ari, let's argue tomorrow. Talk to you then.