Andy & Ari On3 - South Carolina CLOBBERS Texas A&M | Clemson and Iowa State go DOWN | Ohio State OWNS Penn State

Episode Date: November 3, 2024

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Welcome to Andy and Ari on presented by Wendy's. What a day we just finished watching Texas A&M get beat in Columbia, South Carolina. Ari we warned you about Willie B but you and I didn't warn everybody enough because we both picked Texas A&M in this game. And they got demolished in the second half. Yeah, you know, it's funny because as I was watching the game, I was thinking to myself that South Carolina could very easily be in the position that A&M was going into the game. You know, if you go back and you look at the way they lost the LSU game, you know, putting it on them and sellers getting injured in that game and then losing at the end and you know, having the Alabama game all but wrapped up a few times. Like

if they would have won those two games and beaten A&M, they might be a top 10 team in America right now, even with that Ole Miss blowout loss. So, you know, it is just a interesting world in the SEC for sure, Andy. And like I did not see blowout loss coming tonight. No, but we did worry about South Carolina and what they could do to Texas A&M. Texas A&M now in a weird position because they are there are two lost team. So it definitely feels like they are in cannot lose again mode for the playoff, but they only have one loss in the SEC. If they were to win out, there's a good chance they still wind up in Atlanta. Oh, yeah, that's the interesting thing. It's like you're in the conference race, but you're not

in the playoff picture as of now. But if you go and beat Texas, that probably puts you in the SEC Championship game, which then could put you in a position, even if you lose the SEC Championship game, to potentially make it as a three-loss team. So, you know, there wasn't chance the way it was looking last week, Andy, and I guess the College Football Playoff Committee is going to be announcing and releasing their rankings for the first time on Tuesday night. So we're kind of like in that mode now that we're in November. But now we have to really start taking into account what these teams can do in that, in that realm. And for a while there, it seemed to me like the picture, the way it was setting up was that A&M would go into the Texas game, you know, with the ability to potentially lose to finish 10 and two and

still make the playoff and now it looks like both teams might have to win to get in. Right? Yeah. Or am I thinking about that clearly? Because if Texas loses that game, and then they're 10 and two, they don't have a quality win, which puts them in a tough place. What is Texas's best win at 10 and two? they don't have a quality win, which puts them in a tough. What is Texas's best win at 10 and two? Their best win is probably Michigan. Mm hmm. And Michigan, I mean, we don't even know what Michigan's

going to wind up at this point. Yeah, it's just like the thing, too. And we were talking earlier and, you know, I get bogged down by this every year. You know, Vanderbilt may wind up being their best win. It could be. But, you know, we were talking about another conference, and I don't want to divulge down that path yet. But you said that some games would be viewed as good wins. But I think there's a distinction between good wins and quality

wins in terms of top 25. Right? Right. And I don't know if you look at Texas's schedule right now, I don't even know how we're on to Texas already. This is what the show is going to be like now, guys, I got news for you. It was a pretty crazy day. And we're gonna be whipping around because it was it was nuts. And I'm going to need Ari's help to talk me through bracket ology. And he's probably going to need my help to talk it through. But we Bubble watch because I really.

I'm unsure on a lot of things right now. Yeah, yeah, it's getting difficult because you know you have to start taking into account to Andy like is it even possible for them to land in this seat? Because if they win, they'll be this high and if they lose they might be out like with SMU. It's going to be crazy, so we'll get to that. But, but A&M, you know, came into this game as the only unbeaten team in the SEC. And for them to lay that egg out there, uh, it was just kind of disappointing cause you know, A&M fans here were really fired up.

It looked like they had a real pathway to making that Texas game, uh, as an undefeated SEC team and a one loss team that pretty much was in the playoff by the time that game is played. And now it turns out that it might be a actual playoff game for both of those teams, which makes it better for us, the viewer. So, yeah, yeah, I wanted it to be an elimination game for at least one of them. And it is, like you said, because of Texas's schedule, it could be an elimination game for either of them, for whichever one loses, depending on how some other things go. Yeah, it'll be in a situation where I think we'll go into that game. And that's assuming that A&M doesn't lose again. Like, I mean, I think we got to stop assuming things. But we might be in a situation where Texas doesn't know if it's 100% out if it loses that game, but would be in an uncomfortable situation, which still makes it feel like an elimination game. And if that game is just a do or die for both teams, that's just going to be pandemonium. So my hope is that both of those teams will continue to win now moving forward, because I don't want it to be diminished anymore.

But right now, it looks like it's setting up to be the best possible scenario for that, that atmosphere, that game, that environment, what that means for the sport of college football, getting that rivalry back, all those things. But I was just like, really kind of taken back, Andy, by A&M, because they just got physically mauled in that game. And that's not supposed to see from them, right? Like the defensive line that they had, I mean, I think, first of all, we got to say, Lenora Sellers is really, really good. Like he extends plays as well as anybody in the country. And I know Cody Belair, our lead scout or one of our scouts here at on three, was obsessed with him before the season and like watching him kind of flourish the way that he has has been kind of a treat too. So I feel bad for him. And Rocket Sanders was awesome tonight too, because the, the Rocket Sanders breakaway in the fourth quarter was, I felt like that was when it really turned. Because when, you know, South Carolina takes that 14-0 lead, in because A&M went forward on 4th down early. South Carolina cashed that in with a touchdown and then A&M comes back and they take a lead but then South Carolina ties it at 20. That rocket Sanders run is when you're like uh-oh I don't

know that A&M is coming back this time and South Carolina I yes, that front seven for South Carolina's defense is awesome. Bill Connelly, our friend at ESPN, put out a chart earlier this week where he was talking about the amount of pressure each defense gets on the quarterback. And South Carolina was so far up on the upper right corner above everybody else. It's like, and what Bill said is they're good at one thing, but they're insanely good at that one thing.

Yeah. And being insanely good at that one thing when it's that important of a position, it's a pretty good place to be. Like I was gonna say, like, I actually feel kind of sorry for South Carolina because they really did have a special season kind of in the bag. You know, like they were winning that LSU game by a lot and they

blew it. They were winning the Alabama game. They had a chance to close it and they didn't. If you turn those two games into wins, we're talking about a top-10 team right now, nationally. And when you have a quarterback who can extend plays the way that they do, you have a running back who is going to play a long time in the NFL. It is they have a lot of really good pieces like Dylan Stewart is an animal on the defensive line like they've got the pieces to be a really good football team. So you know, actually, if I go back and listen to the show, because I listened back to our shows this weekend, Andy, like I didn't give South Carolina nearly enough credit coming in. Like I didn't say this was going to be tough. You're the only one. Yeah, we said it was gonna be a dangerous game. That Williams Bryce at night is tough.

But I think both of us kind of dismissed it because we'd seen Texas A&M be so physical upfront, physically manhandle LSU. And we thought, okay, well, they can do that against South Carolina, because South Carolina's strength is rushing the passer, but can South Carolina stop the run? They stopped it well enough tonight, but also South Carolina took it to that

Texas A&M defensive front, which is not something that they've seen all year or that anybody's been able to do to them all year, even, well, I guess, I guess Notre Dame in the second half, that's probably it, right? That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but South Carolina just looked bigger, stronger and faster like in the game, you know, and I guess that's just kind of the reality of the SEC, right?

Like even the teams that you look past have. Three or four players that are going to be playing long time in the NFL that just aren't famous because they're not on teams in the spotlight, but they're still very, very good. And if you're not in the weeds on those things, you can lose sight of them. So, yeah, congratulations to South Carolina. That was a great win. And Texas A&M only has one loss in the SEC. They're probably really upset tonight, but have a ton to play for still. Let's stay in the Palmetto State because we've got another big result. Let's go upstate Louisville goes into Clemson and beats Clemson 3321. Are you and I both thought Clemson was a playoff team? I think now because remember Clemson still has to play South Carolina.

That team we just finished talking about Clemson's got to play them. Clemson's also got to play Pittsburgh, which we'll get to Pittsburgh losing SMU as well. But Clemson's ACC schedule is not as easy. Like they're at Virginia tech next week. They could, they could lose that one too. Like it's not that easy for them. I don't even know if they're winning, you know, win out and get and make the playoff

at this point, Ari, because they wouldn't have where would the quality win be? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's just take this, let's just make this the ACC portion of the pod because they're all kind of gonna keep the up. Yeah, we'll talk SMU now too, yeah. But SMU is beating the crap out of Pitt right now. They're winning 48 to 18, they demolish them. And SMU's remaining schedule is Boston College, Virginia and California. So my understanding when looking at that, again, discovering upsets still happen. I'm going to go on a limb here and say that SMU is going to be in the ACC Championship game now.

Like this game, the Clemson loss opened the door for SMU to make it there. And Miami also has a very weak schedule for the rest of their year. It looks like we could probably say comfortably that the ACC Championship game is going to be between Miami and SMU, which I think is kind of a match-up disaster, if I'm being honest with you, for Miami. Like, I think that, like, SMU has a legitimate chance to win the conference now. Could that game be, what was, what could the final score of a Miami-SMU ACC Championship game be? We were talking like 55 to 48. I mean, the over-under that game would be in the seventies,

I bet, because Miami's offense is incredible, but they can't stop anybody. And like the ACC is like interesting, cause you said you needed help with bracketology and we were kind of texting through this a little bit, but like with SMU, I kind of feel like you either have to put them in one of the top 4 spots, probably 3 or 4, probably 3. Right. You have to have them beat Miami and Miami getting at large.

Yes. Or you have them out. Because I don't know if they lose to Miami and suffer 2 losses, then all of a sudden Big Bag Alabama, if they win their next 4 games or back in the picture, they're going to be compared to two lost SEC teams. And, you know, and this is what we were alluding to earlier in the show, Andy, but you said, like, Louisville is going to be a good win, and BYU lost to, and Pitt, but like, Pitt might not be in the top 25. Louisville might not be in the top 25 at the end of the year. So I don't know if there's a distinction between good win and a, and 8 and Top 25 win. Yeah, because the way the committee's always done it, and we don't, again, we don't know what they're going to do, because

we haven't seen them do it yet. We'll see them do it this weekend, or this Tuesday. But what we, what we haven't seen them do, and what they have done in the past, is they care about who you beat that is in their top 25 right now, which so I point if we're doing the playoff one, the final one. So who do you think is going to be the final top 25? That's going to matter. wins in the ACC right now are Florida State, Louisville, Stanford and Duke, and now Pitt. And Pitt was undefeated in 18 in the AP poll. Now we'll see what they might have been. I don't know if they'll still be ranked in the playoff poll, but I think they probably would because being 8-1 is a pretty good spot to be for a ranking. But I just don't know if I see SMU as an at-large if it loses to Miami in the ACC Championship game, because as we discussed on Thursday show, I think there's going to be a lot of 10-2, 9-3-ish type teams that are in the mix there, and I'm not necessarily sure that SMU's resume from a quality win standpoint is going to stack up. So if you, for me, like I'm going to make a decision

of whether or not to put SMU in at the three seed or to keep them at the first four out. And like, I guess I'm gonna tell you right now, I think I'm gonna have Miami as the two seed. Okay, they're gonna go undefeated because yeah, yeah. Well, and we'll talk about Georgia and the rest of the SEC later, but Miami look OK, Duke is a good team. Miami fell behind to Duke in the second half. It was it was 2825 Duke in the third quarter. And then Miami just turned on the afterburners and 153 to 31 like Miami's offense is an inevitability. I'm maybe there's somebody that can stop him or slow him down, but we have to 53 to 31 like Miami's offense is an inevitability.

I'm a maybe there's somebody that can stop them or slow them down, but we haven't met him yet. Yeah. You get the feeling because you know, you've covered the sport long enough to know that if a team has a leaky or bad defense that eventually that catches up to you and Miami has been so good offensively that it hasn't yet. Um, and they can score. They went from kind of playing lackadaisical football to dropping 53, you know, like in like the snap of a finger.

And that is because their skill position talent is incredibly good. Their running backs are good. Their offensive line is good. And cam ward, uh, it's just the, the personification of electricity. skill position talent is incredibly good. Their running backs are good. Their offensive line is good and Cam Ward is just the the personification of electricity. So like when we said, like, could SMU end up beating Miami, it's not because I don't think Miami could score 50. But I think that Miami is capable of losing a game in which they score 50 points. So

like me, like what you just said makes perfect sense, because if they do finish as an unbeaten conference champion, it's probably going to be hard for them to be and they can be number one. If you think Ohio State's going to win the Big 10 now at which which could you could flip on that too.

So like we gotta talk about that too, but I think if Ohio State beat Oregon in the rematch, Ohio State might just jump to number one. Yeah, but. It is. Craziness in the ACC right now, though, and. It looks like we know what the matchups gonna be, so you know, we'll see what

happens for the next few weeks, but you know, Miami's still scared me and I think you've got the best offensive college football though. It would take a genuinely shocking result for it not to be Miami SMU. A genuinely shocking result. Now I'm not saying we might not get one because it's entirely possible, but I think you're right. I think if Miami were to go undefeated, they might be the only ACC team in. That for the ACC, it might be better if SMU beat Miami

in the ACC championship game. I would assume a 12 and one Miami's in, right? As an at large? I would assume that, I think, yes. Cause they're gonna play the quality win game with them too. Yeah. That Florida win for reasons we'll talk about later, Laura's record's probably not gonna be great.

I think that the difference obviously between having one loss and two is massive. Cause there's not gonna be a lot of teams that have one loss at the end of the year. There shouldn't be a ton that have two and three. So I think Miami would still get into that case. The reason why I'm down on SMU would be, you know, just zero quality wins at all. But then again, SMU is also a little bit winds up a nine and three team. Like it'd be a pretty good win, right?

I guess that could happen. Yeah. Um, cause let's, let's think about right? I guess that could happen. Yeah. Because I just love it. Let's think about Louisville, which beat Clemson tonight. Louisville's losses are to Notre Dame by a touchdown, SMU by a touchdown in a back and forth game, Miami by more than a touchdown, but in a game where Louisville was very much in it in the

fourth quarter. So they've been good. They played everybody well. They should be able to beat Stanford. We'll see about Pitt and they, for whatever reason, have not been able to beat Kentucky, but maybe this is the year. But so that could be a decent win for SMU. That's what you got to hope for if you're SMU. Yeah, I mean you have to hope for a three loss team winning out for it to be a win that moves the needle. So you know if you want to you want to do that. But the only reason Andy I picked that Miami is the loser of the championship game would get in is because they're not going into the game with a loss already in SMU is. Right. That's the, they both have similar schedules in terms of lack of, of pop, but

Miami would be only a one loss team in that scenario. So before we move on, by the way, the last time Baylor and TCU played at Baylor two years ago, it was when TCU had that incredible fire drill field goal, kicked a walk off. This time Baylor walked off TCU with a field goal. So Baylor wins. So both those teams are now five and four and three and three in the big 12. The big 12 is just. It's a whole thing too.

Yeah, we're going to get to that, but let's, let's talk about, let's talk about the biggest game of the day right now. We talked about it earlier. If you want even more in-depth discussion of the Ohio State Penn State game, we've got a video on the On3 Sports YouTube channel. It's also in the podcast feed as well. We talked for, what, 25, 30 minutes

about this game earlier on Saturday, but it bears repeating. And also watching everything else has put some things in perspective for me. I came away from that game Ari most impressed with Ohio State's offensive line, which had to be reshuffled because of injuries at left tackle. Donovan Jackson moves from left guard to left tackle.

They had to move other pieces around. It was awesome today against Penn State. That offensive line was awesome against Penn State. Will Howard didn't have his best game, but it was good enough. And I was just, I was very impressed with Ohio State and I came away thinking. I'm ready for the rematch with Oregon. And if these guys play a Georgia or they play a Texas they can beat them. Yeah, I was down on Ohio State coming into the week because I was anticipating the possibility

that a personnel issue would cause them to not be able to overcome the issues they're having. And, you know, following Ohio State closely for over a decade, like there aren't a lot of instances in my memory where Ohio State had a personnel issue. You know, you had scheme issues or injury issues or whatever, but like Ohio State losing two tackles was a blow to the weakest position on their team from a depth standpoint. So what they do is they kick out Donovan Jackson to left tackle. They put Carson Hinsman, who started every game in the regular season last year at center and the left guard. He was, he was a reserve. Um,

and this alignment seemed to work out well. And I know that we alluded to this quite a bit on the video on YouTube that we did after the game, but Ohio state got the ball after a gold line stand with five minutes and 13 seconds left in that game, um, up points and they ran 11 plays. The last play was a kneel down and the other 10 were runs and Penn State did not touch the ball again. They ran it down an opposing team's throat, a top five team's throat on the road. A good team with a good defensive front. So that that that drive that started at the one, I, it's from from the first play of that drive, which

was a quarterback sneak that gained four yards. You were just thinking this is. This is domination and this is a group that we were questioning last week. Are they going to be the weak link? Are they going to be the ones that cost them not only that game, but a playoff berth and they definitely. Definitely proved themselves and you know I look at the rest of the schedule for Ohio State. Obviously they've got to play Indiana and we'll talk about Indiana a second because they I think are the

beneficiary of all this other chaos as well because all they keep doing is winning the same way by a lot. But you know, I thought Ohio State was. Better up front than I was expecting and then let's give the credit to the D line too. I mean they stuffed Penn State at the goal line at the end of the game. Penn State could have tied the game there. I've never seen a consecutive plays from the goal line and offense having a quarterback in shotgun, putting a lineman in motion to plays in a row without

that lineman blocking anybody. That was a really bizarre sequence. It was very strange. And it's funny because I was actually at my kids game last night and we were talking about all of these teams that are now bringing an extra lineman onto the field, having them in the backfield, putting them in motion so that they can just clobber somebody as soon as the ball is snapped. And it

never happened. It never happened. And they just got the line of scrimmage got reset every single time by the Ohio State defensive front. So I will ask you this, and I don't know if I can remember, but when's the last time you saw Ohio State like physically impose itself on a top five opponent? I can't remember, so you can let me know if you remember one. Um, you would remember it better than me. You covered them as a beat writer for a long time. So, I mean, it would probably be 2014. I mean, it could have been six, seven years ago at this point.

So I think that that's good. Um, you know, I think that Penn State is a very good football team. I don't know that they're an elite one, but that doesn't mean that, you know, Ryan Day doesn't get credit for winning against the top five team because that matters and doing it on the road. But one thing I wanted to ask you and talk about for a minute because we didn't talk about it in the video that we posted, but did you see the confrontation with the fan that James Franklin had walking off the field today? of walking off the field today. Yeah. And I saw and I heard there were some fire. James Franklin chants and, you know, it look good.

As Franklin said after the game, that that expectation and pressures part of the job. Yeah, I just want to get my Penn State takeoff. You know, mine like the. I kind of feel bad for James Franklin because he has assembled a football team. That played Ohio State. Down to the last minutes of the game, right, like he was two yards away from tying it.

They were very much in the game. They were in the game the entire game. Yeah. But the expectations for Penn State is to win that. And if you lose that game, you want to fire your coach. I understand that he's one in 10 against Ohio State, but why is the bar for Penn State's success under their coach to beat a team that everybody knows has so many more good players like I just do not understand like what the result is this game job to go. It's his job to go get more good players so that they have now.

In the NIL era that is also been part of the fan base's job as well. The or the donor base is more that the big money donors the revenue share part comes in next year so. They will have money, but I said it during the game and I tweeted it during the game. I said, imagine if Penn State had gotten a dynamic receiver out of the portal. And everybody's like, well, what about Julian Fleming? I'm like, Julian Fleming is not catching balls here.

Like, he's not what they were. It was in the same exact position and they lost both Ohio State and Michigan games in the four game field a year ago because they didn't have a dynamic receiver. So like this is something that should have been identified and you're 1000% correct on that. But I don't know what the world of revenue sharing is going to look like in terms of roster balance. But I don't think that it is a fair

assessment of Penn State's football program to expect them to situate their roster with as many first-round picks as Ohio State has on their team. Like, I just don't think that that's a fair, like, assessment of where they are. Then it's James Franklin's job to, to go get as many first-round picks. And James Franklin has not been without first-round picks. I think he's done that. I just don't know that the expectation or the reality or even the ceiling of a coach who's doing a great job at Penn State is to create a roster that goes toe-to-toe with the one on the other sideline. So what happened today was the expected result since before the season, right? Like they played a closely contested game at home against a team that

was much more talented than them and they lost by a touchdown. It's like, did we learn anything or is it just the status quo of like what was supposed to happen? But they pay him all that money to win all the games. Like it's not, it's not, it's not a fair expectation, but that's the expectation. I'm just saying, do we learn anything new about James Franklin today that we didn't know when we woke up? No. No, we didn't learn anything new

and Penn State's not gonna fire James Franklin. and it looked like can't know it would be very, very expensive. Very, very expensive. Penn State is probably going to win out and make the playoff that at Minnesota is a little tricky, probably a little tricky. But Minnesota is playing really well. Max Brosmer is playing really, really well right now. Yeah, yeah. So that's that one is not a given. But if they do win out, well, actually, why? I mean, Washington beat USC on on Saturday night. I forget that Penn State's already had both buys. So they've got four more

games. Washington beat USC and has looked good at times. So it's not entirely out of the question that Penn State loses, but if they don't lose, they're gonna make the playoff. Yeah, and like we said earlier, Andy, James Franklin got his 10-year fully guaranteed contract extension in November of 2021. At the point that he signed that deal, it had been five years since he beat Ohio State.

Penn State's administration offered him almost $100 million of guaranteed money on a five-year losing streak, which to me is an understanding from the administration and a disconnect from the fan base of what's actually a rational expectation for what Penn State wants from its football program. So that said, Penn State is going to be in a very

good position moving forward to potentially win a game or two in this playoff. And they wouldn't have been in that position maybe in the past in the 14 field. I think that Penn State is probably further along as a program now than they were when he signed that deal. So him losing by seven at home to Ohio State doesn't necessarily change my viewpoint of what Penn State wanted from him. No, they're getting closer. And I think, I think the revenue sharing piece of it might allow him to finally close the gap. That said though, you're right. If they would've just spent their entire off season with the prime focus of, We're going to

go find the closest thing that we can find. They tried it last year with Cephas and it didn't work. Yeah, you know what, though? I think you're talking about something more, like, proven, right? Like, at that point. Like, I don't know who the top 5 receivers were in the draft, I mean, in the portal this year. You'll have to remind me if they come to the top of your head. But, you know, go overspend is the word overspend for a guy that can get as close to who Jeremiah Smith is as possible. Somebody who is going to catch it, nine to 12 passes a game for you is an accent piece that distracts Tyler Warren, who is a tremendous player, but probably shouldn't be somebody who touches the ball 17 times in a game to win. Evan Stewart was in the portal. Yeah.

Isaiah Bond was in the portal. How much money could have Penn State paid either of those guys? You know, it's just a, it's a tough one. Matthew Golden is another one who went to Texas. Yeah. Matthew Golden on or actually, Isaiah Bond, Matthew Golden or Silas Bolden? Like any of those guys who went to Texas could have helped Penn State. Jim Collison Yeah. You know, I got people here, like my argument makes no sense, because every coach that gets paid this much money is supposed to win them all. And I think there are a lot of coaches that make this much money who aren't supposed to win them all. And if you were supposed to win them all, then why would you offer a guaranteed 10-year deal to somebody who

had shown no track record through, what, 8 years of being the head coach already that he was capable of doing so? Like, I don't, I don't know that I believe that. So like, I think that, like, it's nice to say. Penn State fans are very passionate, care a lot about their football team, and they want to beat Ohio State once every 5 years and put themselves in a position like they were in 2016. I understand that. But losing to a better team is not always the coach's problem outside of the roster building. So like, I just like, I don't know, it's like fire James Franklin chats as he's coming off the field is if you learn something new about the coach that you extended for 10 years, like it's like there's no new information here. None. Probably not. Probably not. But they still want to win all the games and they're gonna feel this way. And they need to win

a game like this. So they need to win out, get in the playoff and win a first round playoff game against a team. You know, that is an elite opponent because they haven't done that. But like if you actually look at who they will probably play. They have a hell of a lot easier time winning that game than beating Ohio State, like getting Ohio State's like an eight, nine game against. Yeah, no rain. Tennessee, a team that we're anticipating could win the national title this year. an eight, nine game against. Yeah. No rain, Tennessee. A team that we're anticipating could win the national title this year.

Like Penn State. We don't need to put the old bracketology up because it's changed a lot. It's changed. I don't need to push it out of the back. Oh, just as a reference though, like what if, if Penn State, um, you know, ends up like playing a team, like, you know, Clemson's out now, but if they got mashed up with a Clemson type team, they could certainly beat that team. If they get matched up with a team that's in the 10-2, they can beat that team. But like, beating Ohio State is a different animal. is not going to matter with the portal this year, probably, because those decisions are already going to have been made.

But if they make the playoff as the portal opens, I said this on the other video we did. All these guys have agents now. A smart agent would place his receiver client at Penn State because the receiver who helps make Penn State's offense dynamic, finally, is going to be a star star. I mean it is just fantasy land, but if you do take Evan Stewart and you pluck him off of Oregon's roster and you put him on Penn State's roster, the entire paradigm of the conference could look

different right now. Exactly. I'm glad you mentioned that. Let's talk about Oregon. Because they went to Michigan in a game that before the season we'd have been like, Oh my God, Oregon, Michigan. This is gonna be the biggest game of the week other than Ohio State, Pennsylvania. Of course, it was. Pretty ho hum. Controversial play where they gave Evan Stewart a touchdown and probably should have looked at it on replay and didn't. But that doesn't stop Oregon from scoring all those other touchdowns and they went up winning 38 17 Dylan Gabriel

look good. Oregon's a wagon right now. Yeah, yeah, this is exactly what I anticipated from this game. I actually thought that Michigan fought pretty hard, but they just don't have the offense to keep up with these types of teams. And it kind of like reminded me a little bit of the Texas game for a minute there, right? Like it was just one team was just clearly superior than the other, you know, and I think the scores are kind of close. So, you know, the thing with Oregon is, you know, they don't have anybody left on their schedule that, you know, could beat them. Although Washington could be a grab-ass type Pac-12 reunion game that we don't know. Going to Wisconsin is always weird because of the travel, all that stuff.

But like Oregon is, I think, are they the only lock for the playoff right now? I would think so. Yeah, I would think so. I would think so. Penn State in Indiana feel pretty close Ohio State. I mean, wouldn't you, would you consider Ohio State a lock? No, because you think they might lose to Indiana and Michigan. Um, if, uh, I think they could losses is still fine because they have the Penn State win. Yeah, I think that they would probably be in. But when I mean

lock, I mean like they're in already like you already put them in Ohio State probably. I mean, nobody nobody's put in yet because Oregon could conceivably lose its next three games. Yeah, but I would just say like based on what we understand about it and know about the team that like from my perspective that they're a lot. The only one in college football. So the thing that is interesting about the Big Ten though is that Oregon has been so good that we haven't really talked about them all that much. good that we haven't really talked about them all that much. But the thing that is interesting here, Andy, is the emergence of Indiana and the continued domination of what they've done this year. And the thought of like, can Indiana beat Ohio State is an interesting thought exercise now. Like, it's not just, oh, that's cute. I posted...

Let me, let me give you the score by quarters score by quarters of the Indiana-Michigan State game, because Indiana started a little slow today. Michigan State goes up 10-0. Indiana then outscores them 21-0, 12-0, and 14-0 in the next three quarters to win 47-10. Like it was, we knew by half time this game was over. Curtis Rourke comes back from the finger injury. 19 of 29, 263 yards, four touchdowns.

Justice Ellison didn't didn't even have a huge game. I mean he had nine carries for 32 yards that they really they ran the ball well enough in this game, but they didn't dominate on the ground, but their defense was dominant. Yeah, in Indiana is an interesting, you know, as we discussed the playoff too, and we talked about this a little bit during the week, and I think I'm probably coming around to it, but if Indiana goes to Ohio State and loses a close game,

but they win the rest of their games, even though they don't have a marquee quality win, you would think that scores like this would prop them up pretty nicely. They have not won a game this year, Andy, by less than 14 points. They are beating the crap out of everybody that they play. And you have to ask, because I posted that scenario, like if they go 11-1 with the lost Ohio State, will they get in blah, blah, blah? And everyone's like, why are you assuming that they would lose to Ohio State? And it's like, I don't know that that's a, I think I would pick Ohio State to win that game

by probably like 10, but I don't know that you can assume that they would win right now. I don't think you should assume anything with these guys. Other than like, I got, I started laughing this week when the Lions came out and they were what? Six and a half point favorite against Michigan State. I was like at what point do we just favor them by by more than a touchdown because I mean they're

pretty damn like they're playing Michigan next week. Michigan. What do we think the line is going to be? What do you think the line is going to be when Indiana plays Michigan? It's in Bloomington, right? It is in Bloomington, yes. Somewhere around there, like seven, eight. Okay, but at least it'll be seven or eight, and Indiana will be favored by a touchdown. I think Indiana's line closed at seven and a half, but the fact that it opened at six and a half, it's like,

I feel like if their helmet was any other logo, it wouldn't. They would have been favored by more than than they were with the same results. Exactly, yeah, so I I I'm interested to see this because. This is a different, probably different talent level than Indiana

seen so far this season. I'm trying to think of any other team that they played that would have this Washington has some pretty good players, but Michigan probably has more NFL players than Indiana has seen this. Well, definitely has more NFL players. The Nebraska had some. But I do like I if the spread is Indiana by seven,

I will take Indiana to cover. Like I'm telling you right now. Yeah, no, I'm with you. I'm with you. And then they get a biweekweek, I think after that. So they have three weeks to, if they can beat Michigan to kind of get right for that game and prepare for it. And Indiana has an open week before the Ohio state game, I think.

Right. I'm just guessing. I, that's what I remembered. Um, you know, giving SIGNASTIC an extra week to, to get ready for that one could be interesting, you know, and Ohio State hasn't been a world beater against everybody all year. And like Indiana could punch them in the mouth. I don't know. We'll see. I'm not going to assume anything with that team. Yeah, I'm just, I'm so excited to see what happens with them, because they keep doing the same thing to opponents every single week and it's. Wild so Michael Clutcheon is a friend of mine and he's in the chat and he said that the line is 12 and a half. He would know.

Alright, 12 and a half. Wow. Yeah. I think I'll still take it in the head of the cover. Well, we don't have to pick that game till Monday though. Well, before we move on to another conference two notes in the Big Ten UCLA beat Nebraska, Nebraska still stuck on five wins Guys Nebraska might not make a ball game We hit that realization together like at the same time when UCLA was beating Nebraska at the end I went to look at their schedule because we were talking about how Nebraska was a virtual lock to be at least bowl eligible this year because we saw UCLA, you cannot lose this game. You know, and it's just, this felt like Nebraska striking again. Last week was a one possession game that they lost. But that did not feel like the Nebraska one possession game losses, because it was Ohio state and they were pretty close to winning.

Um, this was just like, how can that happen? And now with a road trip on to USC home at Wisconsin and then on the road at Iowa for the last three, one of which is a pretty bitter rivalry game. Like I just cannot believe we're in this position right now. I can't either. I thought Matt Ruhl would have have things going a little better at this point. But yeah, that that Nebraska USC game is going to be something USC, by the way, five big 10 losses after losing in Washington.

They had a fourth and goal in the fourth quarter with a few minutes to go and just got stuffed. It was, it was bad. The other note in the big 10 that I wanted to talk about, we are an Iowa over podcast. Iowa beat Wisconsin 42 to 10. Iowa did not hit the over by itself because I think it was 42 and a half, but that game went over. So our, and I owe the Iowa children's hospital some money. So congratulations to the Hawkeyes and Brendan Sullivan, the

quarterback that they switched to. Midstream. Yeah. I Kirk Ference who thinks about punting in the shower we learned this week. He changed quarterbacks a couple weeks ago and it's working. There's it's not like they're

throwing the ball over the place. They ran 54554 times through for 329 yards against Wisconsin, but they are scoring a lot and. You know. Help in Iowa State out, but we're gonna talk about Iowa State. If you not a very comfortable night for people in Madison because that is it's one thing to lose Iowa still go,

but you're not supposed to lose 14 to 7. Yeah, you're not supposed to give up more than 300 yards rushing to a team that you know, I mean, they've got a really good running back, but still, like, it's just Luke Fickle's got to figure it out there because I think people are that that's the type of loss that turns like the the impatience meter up for a few notches. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And our guy Big Cat, who's the biggest Wisconsin fan we know, we're thinking about you today. He was watching games in the hospital because he had kidney stones. So, oh, oh, hopefully he's gonna be all right. Yeah, he's hanging in

there though. He was watching games the whole time. So tweeting through it. Let's talk Wendy Saucy Nugs for a minute. And then we're headed to the SEC. Ari, your official welcome to on three. Ari, you're officially welcome to On3. We are presented by Wendy's, the Saucy Nugs. That's our specialty item. We have every flavor of Saucy Nug. You've been training for this your entire life. You know, I was telling everybody before this, but my dad looked at me in the eyes when I was a kid and he said, son, you can be anything you want to be.

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It's pretty damn good. See, that's... I keep changing my favorite. I think that's the point of this exercise, right? Yes. That's my favorite one. I could put down 32 ounces of Coke Zero and be like, Where's the next 32 ounces of Coke Zero?

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We'll start in Jacksonville. That was a strange, strange game between Florida and Georgia. DJ Lagway gets hurt. That's the headline for Florida. Georgia Carson back there was three interceptions. The Bulldogs looked. Pretty bad. In this game and this game is tied at 20 with five minutes to go.

And at this point, Florida is playing a preferred walk on who transferred from from Yale at quarterback Aiden Warner, who given the circumstances, I thought did an OK job. Now, when Texas has an entire week to prepare for him, I am a little worried about how that's going to go. But I will say Florida's offensive line was pushing George's defensive line around there in the fourth quarter when Florida was running the ball.

They were getting good yardage. How worried are we about Georgia? There's a lot to unpack in this game. Oh, yes of all I want to say thank you. To Georgia for hitting the fourth leg on a 14 parlay. Thank you for doing that for me because that was an an electric cover. Because like you had 13 and a half, I bought it down. And that was just not they did not deserve to win that game by two scores. Andy, the thing that is really interesting to me about this game more than anything, and we got to talk about Billy Napier, because I thought

I think this is a very fascinating scenario. We definitely do. Like how did Georgia find itself in a game without lagway for three quarters? Like that was so bizarre to me. And I will tell you how from the Florida side, Florida's line of scrimmage play has improved dramatically as the season has gone on. Offensive and defensive lines. They're just better than they were then you and I were at the swamp for the game against Miami and it was bad. I couldn't do anything on either side of the ball in the line of scrimmage. They're much better now than they were. That said, if you're Georgia, who we just saw dominating Texas's offensive line, which has a bunch of NFL players on it,

that should not be happening to you. I just don't understand with Georgia how you could look so amazing and so poor in like a two week period or a three week period. And's like you, the thing with Georgia that is so interesting to me is that you know it's there. Like if it, if it, if they play to the best of their ability, you know it is there. They could win a national championship. They also could lose to a lot of teams, a lot more than they could during their two national championships under Kirby Smart. It's like a strange, Carson Beck threw three picks, like they just did not look like they were into the game. And it's like for

your Mr. Half-Time Speech Kirby, like that's the one thing that is just concerning because. You can't be sleepwalking in a rivalry game like that. They just think they were going to kick their ass and didn't show up today or like that's what I'm wondering because they play Ole Miss next week in Oxford and we'll talk about Ole Miss in a second, but. You saw Ole Miss just crush Arkansas today, so maybe you're like, oh, but that's not how they spent the week. They spent the week preparing for Florida knowing and they had it and they had an open date before this one. So now I know they were they were experimenting

with offensive line lineups because they got Tate Ratledge back for the first time since the Kentucky game and they were they were moving pieces around trying different different looks there, but that doesn't explain how the defensive line was getting pushed around in the fourth quarter by Florida's offensive line. Like that shouldn't happen based on what we know about the personnel.

So Georgia is seven and one, three of their seven wins are clunkers and one of their losses is to a team that is not as good as we thought it was in Alabama. Right. But if Alabama beats LSU next week, then it's probably forgiven. I mean, the Georgia loss is fine. As long as Georgia got one loss, they're fine. If they go to Ole Miss and lose, and then they have to come back and have a must-win against Tennessee, then I start to worry about that. Well, it also makes you question whether or not, you know, when you like with Ole

Miss playing well, if Georgia should be like just after the thought in terms of winning both of those games, like I think that they are susceptible to losing one right now. I do like Tennessee is lighting the world on fire. But if Ole Miss is feeling really good about itself and they put a game together, like Georgia needs to show up or they're gonna lose. Ole Miss and Georgia play the way they did on Saturday,

next Saturday, Ole Miss will win the game. Georgia has to play the way it played against Texas. Yeah, and try to get to at least 85% of the way it played. Against Texas against other teams, I know it's not easy to fire your team up and have them ready to play like it's a prime time. You know, three verse four matchup on national television, but like it's just.

Like Georgia did not even look interested in playing the game today. It was weird. Like they just it was it was very strange. And Carson Beck just making throws into really contested windows. Like they had some wide open throws and he made those just fine. But anytime there was any sort of dirty pocket, he's panicking and throwing into triple coverage. And it doesn't make any sense.

Like, and they show him on the bench and he's just sitting there it looks like his dog just died like I mean it's the moment where he comes to the sideline and Kirby smart like puts his arms around him and and they were he was talking I was wondering because it kind of looked like Elko talking to Connor Wegman last week in the A&M LSU game and that was when he benched him but he didn't do that. Kirby Smart didn't do that. He stuck with Carson Beck and I get it. Now it would have been, it would have taken something because Gunnar Stockton's the number two quarterback at Georgia. I was just imagining a scenario that would

happen where Jaden Rashada would wind up playing as Florida. That would have been incredibly weird if that would have spontaneously combusted. If that happened, the internet would have spontaneously combusted if that my body would have caught on fire from the inside. I just cannot, like, I can't fathom how after lag way went out, Florida was in that game until there were four minutes to go. That makes no sense to me. You know, what was really telling to me, Andy, was when lag way went out, it was, you know, you got the sense that Florida just wanted to get

to the locker room, right? Like, it is one of the get to the locker room and then Aiden Warners in there and they're running down the clock right before halftime and they're just trying to get out of the half and they move all the way down the field in the field goal. Right. I kick a field goal. They weren't even trying to score and it's like Georgia wake up like it's like it was crazy.

Okay. So let me ask you that. I texted you, I said, you're going to get a humdinger of a curvy smart halftime speech. If somebody's will, you know, nice enough to leak it to us. But I w if he, if he had one, it didn't work because they were just as flat in the second half. So yeah, I'm worried about Georgia. I had an interesting question on Twitter.

Somebody asked me, do I think that Ohio State should be ranked ahead of Georgia in the rankings? And I thought about that for a second because I was actually working on bracketology, at least formatting the file. And so I was thinking in terms of bracketology, I'm like, well, they can't be because of Oregon. We're saying Oregon's going to win the big 10.

And so if we think George is going to win the SEC, then Ohio State can't be right now. In that situation, Ohio State can't be seated ahead of them. It doesn't mean they can't be ranked ahead of them. And I do think Ohio State right now should be ranked ahead of Georgia. Well, I mean, Ohio State's resume took a big step forward. Now you might be a Penn State hater and think that that wasn't really a top three win, but they just beat a team on the road. That was a top three team. So both of them have a loss against a good conference opponent on the road and both of them have a win against a previously undefeated conference opponent on the road. Ohio State's loss is

against the team that's undefeated in number one in the polls. Right. And George's losses to a team that lost to Vanderbilt. So yeah, I guess. I don't know how much like sleep you would lose over that for the time being, but I have Ohio State too in the top 10. I put on on three. Yeah, no, I don't think that's a very hot take. And look, they may see each other anyway. But yeah, Georgia, I would worry right now. Like worry this week, because Ole Miss may get some guys back. And if they've figured some stuff out, that game in Oxford is going to be guys back and if they've figured some stuff out, that game in Oxford is going to be very tough. But you, you mentioned you want to talk about Billy Napier. Let's have that conversation

now before we move on to Ole Miss. Yes, please. Florida's offensive line and defensive line was winning in the trenches against Georgia. Billy Napier's job is to field a team that belongs on the same field as Georgia. Billy Napier had a team that looked like it could have potentially even won against Georgia with a quarterback that was not ready to play and shouldn't have been on the field. Georgia has been playing its ass off under Billy Napier for the last six weeks. You mean Florida? What did I say? Florida State? You said Georgia.

Oh, it's midnight. It's very late, yes. Any change in temperament, thought in Gainesville about what to do with, because like, Oh, I definitely, I think, I think, I'm gonna be honest with you Andy real quick. I gotta be honest. Yeah. I find myself, and I don't know why, because I've

never spent time with this person, but I like Root for Billy Napier. Like, I feel for the man, like, and he's got, like, a lot of tough breaks. Like, losing to Agwe in that game, it's like, What else does this guy got to, got to deal with? You know, it's just like, I'd keel over if I were in his position. with, you know, it's just like a keel over power in his position. Well, I think the way his players are playing for him says a lot about him. And I think that's why you're, why you find yourself rooting for him. I do sense a change in sentiment toward him because of what you just said, not because of like in the chat, we got somebody saying Napier still fired, tired of moral victories, and I get that and I understand the

Florida fans who feel that way. But Ari's point is valid. His job is to create a team that can compete on the field with the Georges in the Texas of the world. Now they're going to go play Texas. If they do this again, and look, I'm not expecting them to win, but they're in to go play Texas. If they do this again and look, I'm not expecting them to win, but they're in a game with Texas in Austin with a preferred walk on transfer from Yale at quarterback.

That's pretty damn good. Now I have is like we done for the year. Is that like is that is that just a hamstring which those usually take a few weeks and there's not a lot of weeks left. Yeah. So I'm not I don't think you should assume he's coming back. Because again, that's that that type of soft tissue injury like it's you can you can easily re injure it that

sort of thing. And much better than an ACL though for in terms of long-term Yeah, exactly exactly, but the question, you know, the big question obviously is if you fire Billy Napier Do would would you lose DJ lagway also and it's it's a legitimate question But I think if you're Florida you watch what happens these next few games If they still look like they belong on the field with these teams, they're playing, which is going to be Texas, LSU and Ole Miss the next three games. Then you do have to think about keeping it. Because he is doing the thing you hired him to do at that point.

Now I've seen some complaints about, hey, how do you not have a third quarterback? Because remember, DJ Lague was the second quarterback. Graham Mertz got hurt first. How do you not have a third quarterback who's ready? And so Georgia has a third scholarship quarterback. That would be Jaden Rashada, which, you know, again, if he did come into the Florida game, that would have been just mindblown. But most teams do not have a third quarterback that they're super confident in.

So I'm not gonna kill him on that one. But I wanna see them play the next few weeks. And if they continue to look like they should look in the trenches, then I will probably say I was wrong. Because I said this needs to end. Like you gotta do it. And I think, I know for a fact that there were major donors who were like, I'm done, I'm out.

But they may be coming back around too. Because they're seeing the same thing you are. I don't I don't know what that's going to happen. It may be that this was a rivalry game. They did it everything they could and it wasn't good enough. And then they now they go to Texas and they get their doors blown off. But if they don't, it's probably worth thinking about. And I'll say I was wrong. Like I imagine a lot of other people will say they were wrong.

Cause I don't think anybody wants to see somebody get fired. Yeah, also too, this, the schedule, not a lot of Hugh Frees opportunities there to, you know, same schedule next year. So it ain't getting any better. Yeah. But that's the other piece of it. If you don't think, if you don't think the right replacement is out

there the sure thing sure fire replacement and things are getting better in the areas that were the problem then you also need to think about that too firing window yeah so we'll find. We'll find out. I. I want to watch that Texas game. I want to see what they do. How do they look? How do they come out? Do they? Do they continue to get better on the in the trenches? Do they get physically dominated?

I because if they continue to get better. Then he's making a very good case. Alright. then he's making a very good case. All right. We gotta talk about Ole Miss and them being the team that we always thought they would be. But first, I wanna talk to you about JLab, which is teaming up with a bunch of our favorite college football players,

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JLab has you covered with all the best headphones. Find the blue box at retailers near you or visit jlab.com. Ari, Ole Miss went to Arkansas on Saturday. I picked Arkansas because Ole Miss has not looked very good. We didn't know if Trey Harris would play. Turned out he didn't. He didn't warm up.

He came out dressed, but then he didn't actually play. They also were without Kaden Presquire and they're tied in. And it didn't matter. They hammered Arkansas. It was 63-31. Jackson Dart was unstoppable. It didn't matter. They hammered Arkansas. It was 63-31. Jackson Dart was unstoppable. This is the Ole Miss team we thought

we were gonna see every game this year. I wanna go to Oxford so bad next weekend. I wanna go. Oh yeah. Got a 2.30 game. That would be fun. Because like that is the coolest thing about this. It's like Ole Miss has been an utter disappointment But coming into the year we looked at the schedule right and you started to like break down

Why would this team? Go all in and you you see this schedule and you go well They're probably gonna lose to Georgia, but if they can get through the rest of their schedule in the 12 team field, they should have a pretty good opportunity of making it. Now, Ole Miss has lost games, uh, that they should not have lost or that they did not, that we did not anticipate them losing. And as a result of it, it has turned the Georgia game into a must win. But what if Ole Miss makes the playoff by beating Georgia and finishing with the same record that we anticipated that

they could, except just doing it in a different way? Like, I think that, like, this is a very compelling football game, and Ole Miss is definitely going to be on the edge of the bubble this week, because of their record and what they did. And now it's about whether or not they can field a team. Hopefully Trey Harris is back fully next week. But if they beat Georgia. Yeah, Jordan Watkins, eight catches, 254 yards, five touchdowns in this game. So that was the question with Trey Harris out, was who makes it?

Because Trey Harris was such a workhorse for them. He caught so many more passes than everybody else. Now I think they feel comfortable throwing to other people. I think Jackson Dart feels comfortable with the other guys. Daquan Wright caught nine passes for 99 yards. Kaden Lee caught five passes for 127 yards. So I definitely think we saw the team that we expected to see

all year in Fayetteville. But the problem is we have not seen that team every week. That's not the team we saw that lost to Ole Miss. That's not the team we saw against LSU. It's probably the team we saw against South Carolina, especially now that we've seen South Carolina just demolish somebody who's pretty good. Cause like that Ole Miss win at South Carolina

looks even better now. Andy, they haven't scored more than 27 points in a month. Yeah. Yep. And what until today? What did we keep saying about Tennessee? Can you win games in a bunch of different ways? Well, Ole Miss has had to win games in a bunch of different ways. So I am beyond excited for this Ole Miss Georgia game because if Georgia wins, then Ole Miss is out.

The going all in that roster didn't work. If Ole Miss wins, they're still alive and Georgia has to go play an elimination game in CISC. I mean, come on. It doesn't get any better than that. Yeah. but I am I I'm excited because I wanted to see this offense look like this And if you told me it would happen in a game Trey Harris didn't play I would have I would have said you were nuts Yeah, no, I'm with you and I actually I'm very curious to see what the spread of this game next week is but if Ole Miss lights up the scoreboard, I am back to just

questioning whether Georgia can keep up in a game like that. Now, Georgia's defense probably isn't gonna let him score 60, obviously. No, but I think that Ole Miss has a chance to win. Yeah, I think you're right. Have a chance. Let's talk about another potential SEC playoff team, the one that is definitely still in the mix because they've only got one loss. Tennessee beats Kentucky 28 18. Most of the night I'm like, Oh boy, Tennessee's in trouble here. Yeah, Tennessee has been so weird this year. Cause like you see the pieces and you think it's going to come together

and they're going to look awesome. And I thought that we were going to get a blowout of Kentucky on Saturday and you're going to go into the final stretch of the season and like they would be a very feared and dangerous team, but they just kind of seem to be mucking around. And I don't know if it's, if it's just who they are. It might just be who they are, especially offensive. I think, I think we've reached who they are status at this point. Now it's interesting because our criticisms of Nico Iamaleava were that he was overthrowing people, that he just, his accuracy was off on the deep ball. I would argue that it was not on him this evening.

He was putting the ball on guys and they were dropping them. Yeah. And you know, I don't know too. It's like there's Jalen Hyatt's not on the team. So, you know, you've got to, you know, really rely on one of the best running backs in college football and Dylan Sampson and they were able to do that. I carried it like 25 times for 145 yards or something to touchdown. I think I texted you and producer river at one point

during the game and said if they just stop throwing, they'll win the game. I think this is when they were still losing. Yeah, but Nico looked good. I thought I didn't think he had a bad game. They have a great defensive line. They've got a solid offensive line and really, really good running back. Like that is the recipe to be able to play with everybody. And like I've thought at times this was a team

that was good enough to win a national championship this year. And then I watched them play and it's like, God, I just turn it on. And it's, you know, it's been rough for them. So, you know, now we have Mississippi State coming up on the schedule here. We get to watch that. And then of course, off to Georgia. So Georgia, funny enough, now is this Ole Miss Tennessee swing on their schedule is going to be a rough one. But, you know, again, I think if Tennessee comes out and plays a great game, they have a chance there too. I think they have a chance in every game they play. But they need to, you know, they need to play well. Well, and the thing is, I keep getting asked how many SEC teams are going to make the playoff. I don't know. I have no idea. Because the next two weeks are going to be crazy. Like, think about this back to back next week week You've got Ole Miss or Georgia at Ole Miss Alabama at LSU

Alabama at LSU is a pure elimination game Depending on how those games go you could see two teams just knocked out completely Yeah, well I got news for you Andy the Crimson Tide going to be making an appearance in my bracket tonight when I do it. Why them and not because the win against Georgia, right? They will have a win against Georgia and I think they're going to beat LSU. That's not, you're projecting them to beat LSU. Yeah, they're going to be in my projected bracket because I think that they're going to get stacked up against the two lost team that doesn't have very, very many wins, if any, and they're going to get put in.

I think they're going to make it. If they if they win the next four games, I think Alabama's in the playoff. Yeah. If they win the next four games is a big if that's all I'm saying. Well, because Alice, she was a huge speed bump. But the, Auburn too, I guess, could theoretically be a tough game. It was a tough one last year. It was last year. But yeah, and 10 odds of that are pretty, I like the odds of that for the projecting forward. Well, I mean, it's not like all the other teams are projecting have easy, easy games when it comes out of Tennessee and Alabama, it's going to be Tennessee, right?

Yeah, I would think so. You know, the head-to-head thing there is going to matter, but. The assumption on Alabama is, I think, a little presumptuous. Well, I also think too that it's possible at the end of the road here that Georgia, Texas, if, if, if chalk happens, you know, I don't know if that's going happen, but as of right now, that the four teams from the SEC that could get in would be Georgia, Texas, Alabama, and Tennessee. Like it wouldn't be like, like my, my top 12 right now that I'm working on is one Oregon, two Georgia, three Miami, four BYU. These are the seeds. Five

Ohio State, six Texas, seven Penn State, eight Tennessee, nine Notre Dame, 10 Indiana, 11 Alabama, 12 Boise. Like I think that's within the realm of rationality. Yeah, I think it is too. No, I think you're good. Yeah, I think it is too. No, I think you're good. We'll get to the question I have about Boise State in a minute, but. I'm just trying to to. Where does Texas A&M fit in this? You think they're out? You're thinking they lose to Texas, they're out. Yeah, they're out if they lose to Texas, and if they beat Texas and finish the year, then I would replace Texas at 6 with A&M. And where would you and you'd have Texas out?

And Texas would be out. Yeah. Okay. It's gonna be a wild end of the season. Wild. All right. Before we talk about the Big 12, we talk about something that happened Friday night. That was that was Boise State beating San Diego State.

Right now Boise State is in line to win the Mountain West if they keep winning. Now obviously they'd have to be UNLV in a rematch probably. Is there a chance Boise State is not 12? That they're the 10 seed or the 11 seed and somebody else is the the 12 seed? They're the 10 seed or the 11 seed and somebody else is the the 12 seed. Yes. I think that the Boise game against Oregon could end up

being the reason for that. Like if Boise said, OK, here's here's our number one and these guys took them to the wire in Eugene and won everything else. Yes, I do, which is the entire reason why the, well, they, they lose this game. They're better off with this seed. Arguments going to be very tough to have. Now I think that we're going to have a very good idea of what that looks like when we see the rankings on Tuesday. Cause like if Boise is like eight or something, you know, you might think that there's a better chance of that. If Boise is 15th, then

you kind of have an idea of, of where that's going to go. So I don't know that they'll be in the top 8, but you get my drift. If they're, if they're way back there, then, like, and they're treated like G5 teams have traditionally been treated in these rankings, it might be difficult. But yeah, no, I think it's certainly within the realm of possibility. All right, so let's go to the Big 12. Because we predicted chaos come November in the Big 12. And November has given us chaos in the Big 12. Texas Tech went to Ames and beat Iowa State in the rain. Texas Tech scores, I believe on fourth and goal, with about a minute to go. And it was, so on first goal they false started because they put in their backup quarterback,

you know, who plays, does the, you know, kind of a wildcat package. And then they muck around a little bit then they bring him back in and essentially you'd use him as a lead blocker for Taj Brooks to score the winning touchdown this was electric and I love the using electric oh well I mean I can't help it it's it's what it is and Iowa State I told you after the UCF game that I didn't quite trust Iowa State. I was a little worried about them. They shouldn't have been in a four quarter game with UCF at home.

And sure enough, same thing happened again with Texas Tech. Yeah. Well, I mean, before they lost in the last second, they took the lead with two minutes left. You know, they were losing basically the entire game. Uh, sorry, the entire second half. And then they took the lead, um, with two minutes left on a very exciting pass play from Rocco backed. Uh, I think it was like a 35 yard pass.

Yeah. And it was the, uh, Carson, it was 44 yards, sorry, Carson Brown's first target of the game. And it was a five play, 65 yard drive that went two minutes and 20 seconds to put them up by five with two minutes and 11 seconds left. You're like, Oh my God, Iowa State did it again. This team is just a team that is going to figure out how to win games late in these weird Big 12 matchups. And Texas Tech even had a fourth and seven, I think, on their final drive as they were going

there more than they converted. They converted and they drove down the field and scored with, you know, 11 seconds left. And, you know, it's just hard to go undefeated in the big 12. Now, BYU is the last team that's unbeaten in conference play and and the last unbeaten team at all in the big 12 but it kind of like opened up sesame a little bit for Colorado to get back into this thing too yeah that was kind of like a hidden hidden gem sitting there on an open date but is four and one in conference play and has a path i mean they they've really got a path they're only lost to k-state remember K State lost at Houston on Saturday. So Colorado now has to go to Lubbock to play the team that just took down Iowa State. So if you're looking for a potential letdown spot for Texas Tech, this would be it. But Texas Tech's been a weird team all year because like they they had a big lead against TCU and they lost it.

They got shredded by Baylor. Colorado, Texas tech is going to be a very fun game. And if Colorado wins it, I really liked their chances because they're their last three games are Utah, Kansas and Oklahoma state three teams at the beginning of the season we thought would be good and all have turned out to be not good at all. Yeah. I remember looking at the Colorado schedule and going, well, ending and now I'm looking at it's like that's a pretty favorable ending I don't know off the top of my head Who has or who would have the tiebreaker in the big 12 between?

Iowa State and Colorado at this point, but they are gonna have to go down the tiebreak to figure that out. Yeah. But in Iowa State still plays Kansas State, right? So Iowa State actually is more likely to lose. And if Colorado wins their next few games to close out the season, like there's a very high likelihood that they're in the big 12 championship game, which would be unbelievable. Iowa State also has Cincinnati, which has been a pretty good team this year too. So yeah, Colorado is in a really good spot.

Like if they can win in Lubbock, they're in a great spot because the team that beat them is Kansas State and Kansas State took conference loss number two today. So Kansas State's the one with the tiebreaker over them. If they get them off the board now and keep winning and then have Kansas state beat Iowa state, they're in, they're in. Yep. Because they're already ahead.

Yeah. How is Colorado's going to be on the bubble watch at some point in one of those spots, cause it has to be at this point. Absolutely. Absolutely. Cause I I've had them, I had them in, in, as a winning in, they're still a winning in conference champ. I don't think a 10 and two Colorado

that doesn't win the champion or 10, I guess it'd be 10 and three that made the conference champions you can't even lost. I don't think they get in as an at large. It's definitely you're either four or you're out for them. Yeah, 11 and two big 12 champ Colorado's in and is the four seat and maybe the three C depending on the ACC.

It's not impossible. It's not. It's definitely not impossible. It's and the way they've played, I mean they're playing a style of of basketball that basketball they're playing a style of. Basketball that basketball. They're playing a style of football that. It travels like they're they're better on the defensive line than we thought they were going to be. Their pass rush is excellent and

they have gotten better at running the ball which is helping Shador Sanders. So. Oh, here's one being in the chat. 12 and one BYU and 11 and two Colorado the playoffs that that actually might be a big situation right there. Yeah. But the only route for Colorado is to win that game is to win. Correct. Correct. Yeah. And Houston, Houston beats Kansas State, so this is Willie Fritz's biggest win so far at Houston. Also driving rain. I

don't know what it was about the Big 12 today, but basically you had to play your game in a driving rainstorm or or bust and. This is one where Kansas State fell behind early came back to the lead and then Donovan Smith drove Houston down the field and. Houston won and and I am. This is this is the kind of game I thought the big 12 was going to give us when the conference reorganized, because it is so even top to bottom. Andy, if you would have asked me on Saturday morning when I woke up, which two big 12 teams were most likely to make a run in the playoff, it would have been Kansas state and Iowa state.

So that's where things went today. Exactly. Exactly. All right. Well, would you have one more, uh, group of five game? We had air force army, Bryson Daley, the Army quarterback didn't play. That was a slog. I ended up watching a lot of that game in the early window and it took, it took Army a while to kind of break free of Air Force, but they ended up winning. Army is still like Boise State, I think is the, is the team probably

that ultimately winds up making the playoff out of the group of five. But if army were to go undefeated, they would make it because they still play Notre Dame. They're in the American. They do not have to play two lane in a regular season. So that that's helpful. Yeah. It seems to be if it's not a Mountain West team and listen, if we're going to talk about, I'm going to bang this drum until it needs to be thrown

out, but UNLV I think is probably in a better position to make the playoff at anybody in the American right now. Unless army wins out. Oh yeah. If army would have to beat Notre Dame to win out. Yeah. But UNLV is, if we had to make a most likely chart, I think UNLV is the second most likely to get there. Yes. Yes. I think I think the Boise like a Boise State UNLV Mountain West Championship game is probably for a playoff

berth if we're if we're also saying Navy lost on Saturday. I don't know if you were. Yes, they did. Abs on that, but they lost to rice 24 to 10 rice, which is fired. It's coach. Yes. Yeah. Um, very bizarre result, but that also kind of takes away anything that army might get in terms of quality wins and stuff. Like it's kind of undefeated.

Like the thing is, is that if Boise State is one loss, they are unquestionably ranked ahead of Army unbeaten, right? Like Army needs help, even as an unbeaten team to get in, I think. No, Army's beaten Notre Dame if it's unbeaten. Army's in. Yeah, that's true. You keep forgetting that. You're Mr. Notre Dame to the playoffs, so your brain can't comprehend the thought of an

army. No, no, I just I still yeah, I guess undefeated and went over Notre Dame would probably be better boys. He's very attractive team right now. If army didn't have Notre Dame there like if they had another group of five team in that spot in that non-conference spot. Yeah, then I don't know that they would even undefeated would get in. But if they beat Notre Dame, they'll they'll be in. Yeah. I just don't think that's gonna happen. So right and and look, Daley's banged up. Yeah, we

don't even know what the injury was, right? It's like an undisclosed injury that we don't. Yeah, we haven't found out and then and I think I think the Notre Dame Navy game was pretty educational like Notre Dame is so big upfront it's gonna be very hard for a service Academy team to compete with that Navy's really good and they could not handle it now maybe Army's better but we'll find out we got a couple weeks and we'll find out so Ari I've got to do bracket ology now I'm still not entirely sure how I'm gonna how I'm gonna do this because I'm trying to I'm trying to guess what the committee's gonna do

But I'm also trying to guess because the committee's just to rank the teams they're not gonna seed the teams and Well, you have to guess what the committee's gonna do and you have to try to figure out who's gonna win games. It's two things. Exactly, exactly. That's the thing, because I gotta make, especially as we get closer, I gotta make it realistic.

So here's my thing. Where do I put Indiana? Because we are assuming an Indiana loss to Ohio State. I'm putting him at 10. OK, that seems alright. I think I think 10 as a one loss non conference championship participant with zero quality wins is a

reasonable place to put them. Yeah. Yeah, cause they they are going to have the well. They in Penn State will be in a very similar spot. And it may come down to how the two played Ohio State. That might be how they get parsed. Yeah, part of me. Feels like I because like I have Penn State much higher than 11. So like I've got to walk through to.

Yeah. Yeah. That's why I think they should be right. Like if you assume that Indiana is going to lose to Ohio State, they should be right together. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the problem with this projection thing. There's always another hey, have you haven't you considered this or what happens if like this, this can't happen. So yeah, well, it's going to be state also. And I don't know if it's I guess it it doesn't even matter because USC is such a crappy, like I still have like the USC win in my head is something that matters. And it just doesn't. Yeah.

It's a five, five conference lost team. They're going to be on it. They're going to be under 500 and conference play. Yeah. But they had to play a USC and Wisconsin and Illinois, um, which are, I think probably would have been the toughest three games that Indiana would have had in conference to this point if you put it there. Yeah, well this week was a great reminder that November tends to defy our expectations. All the stuff we talk about where we think things are going to be chalk,

they're not going to be chalk. November will mess you up. And so Ari, we got a lot of big games coming up. We got that incredible double header in the SEC, Georgia Ole Miss, Alabama LSU. That's going to tell us a lot. We've got Colorado playing Texas Tech. What you got? Wanted to just tell you, I know we got to wrap this up soon, but we calculated together that there were 31 teams who still had a chance to make the playoffs. Yes, I was going to ask you that. Is it still 31? Is it less than that now? I haven't added it up all the way, but very few teams just in

my basic calculation, math wise have been eliminated. Yeah. Like, I think it might still be in the mid 20s to upper 20s by the time but we'll reveal that I'll work on that tomorrow. And then we can talk about it on Monday, headed into Tuesday. But there, there are still a lot of teams that are still technically in the picture. And I have to apologize to Michigan because I accidentally left them off because I put Florida in there. And if Michigan would have won out coming into the weekend with the schedule that they had left, that they would have certainly been in as a 3-loss team. So they should have been in there. It should have been 32. But now that's still relevant.

Yeah, not 9-3 against impossible schedule. Yeah, it was the same exact thing as the Florida scenario. And now Florida's out. So it's definitely 30. And then I felt like nobody really from the SEC got eliminated today, even though they lost games. And, you know, nobody from the Big 10 got eliminated today, even though they lost games and. You know, nobody from the one more note from the SEC, we we haven't talked on this show about Auburn and Vanderbilt. So congratulations, Diego Pavia on your third winning in two frees, one, one at New Mexico State against Liberty, one at New Mexico State against Auburn and this one, Vandy coming to the Plains and beating Auburn.

Congratulations to Clark Lee on your victory and also being on daddy daycare duty while your wife was with two of your children. You had one of your children, two of your children up in Indiana, one going to Taylor Swift concert, one at a tournament. But Clark Lee is a defensive guy and they've just shut down Auburn's offense. If you guys want to hear more about this

game and especially more about the Auburn situation. Are going to have a video on the on three sports YouTube page. Specifically addressing like what does Auburn do because 20 minutes on this topic we really we got into it. Yeah. Yeah, it is a really strange situation because the on-field results don't suggest Hugh Fries is doing real well at all. So Brian Harson was 9 and 12 when he got fired at Auburn. Hugh Fries is now 9 and 13 But Hugh Fries obviously recruiting quite a bit better than Brian Harson did the question is

Can you keep that class together? And the other question is, does it matter if you can't win when you have the more talented roster? Like Hugh Freeze, the Ole Miss version, was really good at winning against more talented rosters when he had a less talented roster. I don't see the schematic genius that we saw at Ole Miss. that person doesn't seem to have made it to Auburn. And if you didn't get that guy, then what are you paying for? I think it's a serious question that Auburn needs to ask. And he's got a ULM game, a Texas A&M game, and an Alabama game to show that they can be competitive. Because at this point, with Vanderbilt,

I would argue with Oklahoma, with Arkansas, with Cal, I think Missouri's kind of a wash, and obviously you're supposed to lose Georgia. But with those other games, he has done less with more. Now he has to prove he can do more with less, because A&M probably has a better roster than they do. Alabama has a better roster than they do. He's got to show that. If he can't show that, I don't even know if it matters what recruits he's bringing in. Yeah, we disagree but came to agree We had a long conversation about that.

Go check it out. Ari's all about the future. He's all about the recruits. I live a little more in the here and now. My thing is if you can't win when you have a more talented roster now, your job is to beat Georgia and Alabama. You're probably never going to have more talented roster than them because they recruit just as well

or better than you do. And so if you're not winning when you have more talent, how are you ever gonna win when you have less talent? Yeah, I've got 10 players in the top 125 in the on three industry ratings right now. They're recruiting really well. It's a good class. Great class.

Deuce Knight, QB from Mississippi. Yeah. I don't think Lane's given up on him yet. Yeah. We'll find out, but if you wanna talk more about that, discuss more about that, hit the chat and mix it up with some folks about that, go to the On Three Sports YouTube page.

Ari and I talked about that for a while. We will be back with the podcast version of the show and the regular version show on Monday. We will also be on the On3 Sports YouTube page all over it on Sunday because our man JD Piquel is becoming a daddy and he's got to take some days off. So we're going to fill in for him for the videos that he normally does on Sunday. The ones we normally do on Sunday will also be doing. And also during the week, we will be hosting the hard count with JD Piquel 11 a.m. Eastern Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

So if you're not sick of us yet, you may be by the end of this week. I think they should call the show that we host the hard count with JD Piquel. Like, I think that's what you should say. Welcome back to the hard count with JD. Oh, we definitely will. Congratulations, JD. Being a dad is the best thing in the world. Wishing you and your family the best during this weekend.

And it's a pleasure to work with you and really excited for you and your family. Guys, this was a fun Saturday. They're only getting more fun from here. We'll talk to you later.