Andy & Ari On3 - Success for LSU in 2025 is ________?

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

When it comes to making the best hamburgers around the basics matter and Wendy’s?... well they’ve really got those burger basics on lock and boy does it show. So what’s the secret to all those hot and juicy hamburgers? Simple. Wendy’s always crafts their hamburgers with that fresh, never frozen beef they’re famous for. The result? Hot and juicy beefy hamburger perfection - every time. No matter which hamburger you order from the Wendy’s menu, you already know that thanks to those Wendy’s burger basics, it’s gonna be exactly what you were craving. Fresh beef available in the contiguous U.S., Alaska and Canada; not available in Hawaii.(0:00-0:42) Go Fresh with Wendy's(0:43-15:52) Diving into LSU's Program(15:53-19:55) LSU's 8.5 win total(19:56-39:30) Brian Kelly entering year 4 in Baton Rouge(39:31-44:38) Ryan Grubb Hired at Alabama(44:39-50:43) Ben Arbuckle at Oklahoma(50:44-54:17) Ari's Trip to Costco(54:18-1:00:21) Ari's Trip to a Burger Place(1:00:22-1:09:15) Jim Tressel named as Lieutenant Governor of Ohio(1:09:16-1:18:08) Conclusion A talk about LSU’s 2025 win total (8.5 at Fanduel) turns into a broader discussion about one of college football’s most interesting programs. The Tigers have won nine, nine and eight regular-season games in Brian Kelly’s tenure. A return to nine would cash a ticket, but it probably wouldn’t satisfy most LSU fans. That group craves a return to the College Football Playoff, and Kelly came to Baton Rouge from Notre Dame with the expectation that he’d have the team competing for national titles. Is this the year he does that? And what happens if it isn’t? The Tigers were aggressive in the transfer portal, and they return one of the nation’s best quarterbacks in Garrett Nussmeier. This feels like a pivotal season. Later, Andy and Ari break down Andy’s list of the most impactful coordinator moves. A slow head-coaching market meant a more robust group of coordinator openings, and how some of these hires fare likely will determine how the head coach carousel looks in 10 months. Watch us on YouTube instead! https://youtube.com/live/DQ4XnToemM8 Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey

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Wendy's Burger Basics, it's going to be exactly what you were craving. Fresh beef available in the contiguous U.S., Alaska, and Canada not available in Hawaii, but in those places where it's available. Yeah. The single, the Baconator, all fresh. Right now, we got a fresh show for you.

Welcome to Andy and Ari on three. We have a very, very interesting conversation. We got to talk about one of the most fascinating programs in college football. Ari, I threw this out to the folks on the Bengal Tiger message board yesterday. The Bengal Tigers are LSU cited on three. And I said, success for LSU in 2025 is blank.

And it was very interesting. Now, a lot of people mad at you for where you had Brian Kelly on the coaches list. A lot of people mad at you for where you had Brian Kelly on the coaches list. A lot of people mad at both of us for where we had them ranked. But some good honest answers about what represents success to them. But I want to pose it to you first. What represents success for LSU to you in 2025?

Oh, God. I think that my reaction to this kind of is a indication of how difficult of a question that is. Like, and I think they got what my version of success would be might differ from the fans, right? Um, because you know, fans at LSU want a national championship and want to compete at the highest possible level. And for me, it's like I think playing in the SEC Championship

game is that is that fair? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. I think I think you and the fans are on on a similar page. Yeah. Because when you look at their schedule here, Andy, they they have a tough opener and they've had a tough opener, but they have a pretty manageable schedule, especially considering the fact that it's possible that Alabama may not be the unbeatable force that it's been for the last 15-20 years. Because when you look at it, they get Florida at home, which is a huge break for them, and they also get South Carolina at home, which is a huge break for them. Ole Miss is probably not going to be what they were last year. And they don't have to go to A&M. Like, they've got a very favorable schedule. So, you know, I think that, too,

breaking it down from a schedule record standpoint is interesting, Andy. But on the other hand, it's like, don't you want to see a really, really good defense and an offense that can score with anybody? Like is it like easier just to to simplify it to that? I think. This the offense that would score with anybody would be great, but we've actually seen that under Brian Kelly a couple of years ago.

Yeah, you need to see a more complete version, but. The responses I got on the Bengal Tiger message board were very similar to what you said. Basically, I don't care how it happens. Make the playoff is what they were saying. Like they don't care if it's 10 and 2, 11 and 1, 12 and 0, 9 and 3 does not matter to them. Make the playoff. And if they can make the SEC Championship game, which you just mentioned, then that's going to get them in the playoff.

Like, SEC Championship game you're talking about, you could be 10 and two, you could lose that game and be 10 and three and make the playoff. But that would be progress. Now, they made the SEC Championship game once under Brian Kelly. That was in the 14 era, so it was it was a little bit different, but I do think in year four and let's point out.

The last three LSU coaches at Nick Saban won a national title in year four less miles won a national title in year three at Orgeron won a national title in year three as a as the Full-time head coach it was really his fourth year because he was the head coach for most of 2016, too. So The pressures on Brian Kelly here and it's pressure in a different way Then than it is with most programs because one he left a program that was very good to come to LSU expressly to compete for national titles and they have not done that yet under his tenure. They've also watched the team he left play for the national title.

I think that adds a little bit of heat to it. Yeah, so I think it's interesting that people in the message board got upset with me about my ranking for Brian Kelly, because I think that the reason why my ranking is what it is, is because we're going into year four, and our version of success is just being 10 and two.

Now I know 10 and two isn't the same now as it was four years ago, but against this schedule in year four, shouldn't LSU be like preseason top three if it was if it was where it was supposed to be like if if his mission. Of leaving Notre Dame to compete for a national championship was coming together in the way that you would have thought that it would when he took the job. Is this the discussion we would be having going into year four like I like to me it's like a very rational place to put him and you know 16. Give a top 16 coach in the country, but you know I think that his spot in that ranking is reflecting is reflecting I should say of the trend that it's been because LSU has had really good offenses the last few years.

It had really bad defense especially bad two years ago and it's like LSU is not who LSU is supposed to be right now. So, should he be rewarded with a top 10 position? Like I didn't wait what he did at Cincinnati in my rankings. I didn't wait overly what he did at Notre Dame. Like the last three years of LSU is the Brian Kelly experience in the modern era of the sport. And I think that it's more than fair. Um, shouldn't LSU being like, yeah, go win the national title.

Like do LSU fans feel like after four years of building that they're in a position to go win a national title or are they saying, oh yeah, nine and three or 10 and two or 10 and three getting the playoff that's fine remember three years ago or two years ago ten and two was a disaster am i am i being irrational here you're not being a rash that and and that's that's what complicates this is most places winning. Ten ten and nine games. Your first three seasons at a place. Would make everybody happy. That's not good enough here like they fired a coach who won a national title.

And they brought in a guy who is winning at a very high level at Notre Dame. With the express purpose of winning national titles. And I think, I think the two years ago thing has become more of a sore spot after this past season. So when they had Jayden Daniels and Malik neighbors and Brian Thomas Jr. That offense was incredible. And that defense was terrible. But watching Jayden Daniels be great in the NFL,

watching Malik neighbors be great in the NFL, watching Brian Thomas Jr. be great in the NFL is probably, it probably is more frustrating now because you realize exactly what got wasted. Yeah. I mean, I hope they realized it in the moment because both, I weren't both receivers, uh, first round picks and one won the high. They were.

But I think it's, I think when you see them, but yeah, when you see them succeeding in the NFL, the way that Joe burrow and Jamar chase and Justin Jefferson are succeeding in the NFL, you're like, Oh crap, that Joe burrow and Jamar chase and Justin Jefferson are succeeding the NFL you're like oh crap that Joe burrow team won the national title because it had an adequate defense hey pretty good defense and that other jayden danielstein that could have won the national title if it had had an average defense and that's frustrating that that's very frustrating. So I understand where these guys are coming from. So let's talk about LSU's roster right now because I think we know that this was going to be a portal heavy

year because they're still trying to fix like the deficiency on the roster that that affected them on defense two years ago, they're still working their way out of that like it's not what you got used to at LSU where there was always a new first round corner coming in and there's always you know there's always a bunch of dudes on the D line. It hasn't been that way for a while. And they had to go in the portal pretty heavy this spring or this past winter, but I actually think they did a really good job in the portal if you look at who they took.

So they needed receivers. They go in Nick Anderson from Oklahoma, Barry and Brown from Kentucky. They needed some help on the offensive line. They got what they hope is a starting center from Virginia Tech and a starting guard from, from Northwestern. They got Mancora lane, the corner from Virginia Tech, which is, that's a spot that they really needed to shore up.

So I feel like they address that much better this year than last year. Cause last year, remember that they fired the defensive staff, but the timing of the firing of the defensive staff much better this year than last year, because last year, remember that they fired the defensive staff, but the timing of the firing of the defensive staff and hiring Blake Baker and his guys made it where they couldn't really go get what they needed in the portal. And that's how you get the spring when they still need people and Brian Kelly's like, we don't buy players.

Yeah. spring when they still need people and Brian Kelly's like we don't buy players. Yeah, I guess it kind of like bleeds into another question that I was going to ask you and I've been thinking about but LSU is one of those programs that has all these built-in advantages, right? The number one advantage that they have that very few other places have in this country is they are the big time football program and the only big time football program that is in a very talent rich state, right? Like LSU's Louisiana pipeline is always, always flowing. these numbers, but it's my understanding or my knowledge based on just following this stuff that the state of Louisiana the last three or four years hasn't been quite as loaded as it has at times in the past. Somebody might be like, well, actually me, and I'll have

to go look at the actual numbers, but that's my understanding. And the question that I have, because they have this advantage, Ohio State has it to a certain extent in Ohio, and Rutgers, funny enough, has it in New Jersey, but they are the only game in town in their own state. Does LSU possess in your mind in 2025 the same roster building benefits that it did three years ago that allowed the previous coaches that were there to win a national title? Like if Brian Kelly is there for 10 years, wins a ton of games were there to win a national title like if if Brian Kelly is there for 10 years wins a ton of games but never wins a national title makes the playoff a bunch early exits or late late late

exits but doesn't win it. Is it a failure like should every LSU head coach win a national championship in this modern era? Well, everyone this century has. So it's different, right? But is it different now? I don't think it's that different. They got money. They have the advantage of being the only game in town in the state where even if it's not as loaded as it is always,

there's enough good players to get some. And look, LSU was never built entirely on Louisiana players They were always going to use it a lot from Texas or Florida. Yeah, they played in the SEC West which was Pretty gruesome like the schedule is actually easier For the former West teams now than it was it's still not easy, but it's easier so the game. It's not as hard as now than it was. It's still not easy but it's easier. So, and when it comes to an SEC schedule, they got every

possible break they could this year. Like if you look at that, like they have tough games because they play in the SEC. Not saying it's easy but in terms of the games that they're playing on the road versus what they're playing at home in their own conference. It's pretty great.

Yes. Pretty great. Yes. Yeah. And and look, you know, the going to Clemson is tough but that's a game they can win. Now, that obviously we can have the LSU and openers conversation and you and I are both pretty high on Clemson this year but that's not a game LSU can't win. Like they can go in there and win. The Florida one comes very early

and one of the LSU posters pointed this out to me that, you know, Lagway hasn't seen an environment like Tiger Stadium and we'll see if that game is going gonna be at night or not, but I would suspect it will. DJ Lagway came into the Tennessee game, replacing Graham Mertz, so he played at Neyland Stadium at night, which was a very tough environment. But he started against Georgia, that's a split stadium, 50-50, the two big games he won at the end of the year were LSU and Ole Miss, both of those were in Gainesville and then he goes to

Florida State where there two and nine at the time. Like it's probably as many Florida fans as four state fans in the stadium that day. So this in week three will be his first truly wild. Road environment as a starter. So we haven't seen him play in that that type of environment yet, so that is an advantage for LSU. Can I ask you a question?

Yeah, go ahead and like this might sound stupid. Then I'm I'm actually regretting even saying this, but like what's the last time a player had a complete meltdown and forgot how to play football because it was loud at the building they're playing in? It wasn't loud. It wasn't loud but it's Kyle McCord against Pitt last year. That's as big of a meltdown as I think I've ever seen.

I'm just saying like DJ Lagway is going to be good. I know he's going to be good, but that's a tough place to play. So that's it is either. Here's the thing. It either enhances your legend or you lost at a tough place to play like that. But that's that's what LSU is going to enjoy going into that season. So that helps. That helps. They still have to win that game.

So basically you've got Vegas saying eight and a half for LSU. That's when we did those fan dual wins over eight and a half. And this is very similar to our conversation about Florida last week where you could cash the ticket for the over and no fan be happy with it. Yeah. How's Brian Kelly, my understanding, unless I'm forgetting something, and I'm sure I am, but for the majority of Brian Kelly's career, the one thing that you could say about

him is that he doesn't lose shocker games, right? Like he's usually pretty consistent and beating the teams. He's supposed to be. Is that a fair statement? Like last very lost the USC. Maybe maybe you could make a case that they shouldn't have lost the USC last year, but they lost the USC. That wasn't a shocker.

It was a shocker when it happened. Maybe Florida last year, but that was that was lag weight, Florida. Right. And the thing is like good example of that afterward, they played Vanderbilt in Oklahoma. And so Vandy was having one of its best seasons in a long time. Oklahoma had beaten Alabama at that point. If you are going to be kind of lose the team, lose the locker

room, like they would have lost those games. They won those games and And actually won them pretty comfortably. So LSU hasn't lost a single shocking game or suffered a Embarrassing upset since Brian Kelly got there. I Just went back and looked no And if you want me to refresh your memory, I will 2022 was his first year, right?

Yeah, they had a lot of Florida State. They had a lot of Florida State games either, so. Yeah, they lost to Florida State in a really entertaining Sunday night game. I remember it was like it was yesterday. Then they lost to Tennessee, number eight, Tennessee, Texas A&M and Georgia that year. So that was their four losses.

And then beat Purdue by 100 in the cheese at bowl 2023 They lost the Florida State again a little bit more lopsided in the opener They lost at Ole Miss in a shootout and they lost at Alabama 2024 which was this past year USC A&M Alabama and then of course a much better Florida team. So like I don't know that like I look at eight and a half and go. I like the over here because like you always need to make that LSU is going to be a well coached team that doesn't lose bad games. But at the same time, like I am just a little confused and you know, maybe I

shouldn't be confused. But if you're an LSU fan and you know maybe I shouldn't be confused but if you're an LSU fan and you're really looking in the mirror like how confident are you in the coach like if you think he's a top five coach then go put your life savings on eight and a half because how are the what four games are they losing on this exactly like what would if they lost what would the four be like if this four would be like Clemson Cle Florida, South Carolina, Alabama or Ole Miss, Alabama, something like that. I guess they have A&M and Oklahoma, which I guess if they lost those games. Like here's the thing too, like Oklahoma could turn out to be a team that's competing for a playoff

spot if their offensive line is good with Dionne Burks and Mattier, like they could have a really good team because I know their defense is going to be good. So I think that like last year's Oklahoma has tainted us from like the ability to bounce back like playing on the road in the season finale is kind of a tough, tough go of it. But like I don't know. I like their odds of going three and three against Clemson, Florida,

Ole Miss, South Carolina, Alabama, and Oklahoma, don't you? I do too. One wild card is A&M now. I know A&M is coming to Baton Rouge, but A&M could be very good too. So, that's a, the SEC is going to be pretty evenly matched a lot of the way. And I'll tell you this, Andy. That opener, you know how we were excited about the Miami Florida opener this past year because no matter what happens, people are gonna be mad. Yep.

Tell me that's not the case with LSU and Clemson this year. It's 100% the case and it's one of those where you can, you can try to talk the losing fan base off the ledge because like you could lose this game, win your conference, make the playoff, like all of that. It could just be two really good teams playing each other. But yes, whoever loses, you're going to freak out. Yeah.

Especially because you could kind of make the case that Brian Kelly and Davos Sweeney are in similar career arcs, right? Now Davos Sweeney has gotten to a higher mountaintop twice, but people are both, people are thinking that both could be losing some speed on their fastball right now, right? Like, I mean, like these, these are important years for both coaches. Cause if you go eight and four for either of them, it's like what the hell is going on here? You know again understand that Dabo has two nannies. I do Just for bringing this up in in in conjunction with Dabo who's a guy that we've talked about his use of the portal Brian Kelly's use of the portal felt different felt much more targeted

This offseason he got asked about it at his press conference last week. So I really thought his answer was interesting. So let's hear what Brian Kelly said about the amount of people they brought in and the roles they're expected to play. Well, I think I would begin by, how do you use the portal? The portal is set up for either giving kids an opportunity to play the game where they are not in a position to do so,

i.e. if players leave here, they're looking for opportunities to play. the transfer portal allows you that It also allows you the opportunity if guys aren't meeting the elite standards of your program then They may have to find another place to settle on the other side of the portal you can Certainly build a roster and help your roster. I don't want our roster to be built through the portal. I would like it to be topped off.

This year was a little bit heavier. We needed, we felt more across the board and evident eight on offense, seven on defense, and one special team that we needed more depth and more experience across our roster to be a championship roster. So I believe that the portal has served us from that perspective in terms of additions

and others that have left, that strengthened our program. I think we've made incredible strides relative to NIL and the importance of how monies are raised and making sure that our fan base is educated about that. And I think I've been at the front of that with the million dollar match. And so I think all of those were in a much better place than we were, say, eight months ago.

Our roster, our staff, our focus on NIL, our ability to raise money for NIL, have put us in a position where I think, I know, not I think, but I know our program is now poised to be a championship program. So that's obviously the rosiest possible outlook from the guy whose job it is to give you that. But I also feel like they're in a much better place

roster wise and handling that. Going into last offseason, I don't think they knew what to do with the portal. I don't think they knew how to fix the roster through the portal. And I feel like they did a better job of that this year, addressing the needs. Like he's being upfront about it. Like there are more needs than you'd like, but in year four, really good job. But that's another, I know we've talked about this a million times, but it's like, you always say this and I think it's interesting that there's no such thing as year zero anymore, right?

Like if you are a coach and you come into a place and you have the portal to work with, you don't get the opportunity to take to a year or two to build your roster, right? But is it now as a result of how much you can add to the portal and how much you can lose in the portal? Does it change your mind on whether you would be concerned about where a roster is in year four in the negative? Like you would think after three years of trying to build this thing that they wouldn't have so many holes to fill or that there wouldn't be a reliance to this level.

This is the first recruiting class of the Brian Kelly era because like the first one he had like Will Campbell and Emory Jones were in that class, but they committed to Orgeron. So a lot of that, the bones of that class were put together by Orgeron. This is the first out of high school recruiting class that you look at under Kelly and you're like, oh, some of these guys could really help them like right now.

Like DJ Pickett, the corner, the freshman corner, like wouldn't be shocked if he's playing quite a bit and comes into play. Now, I still think with LSU, they need to show they can run the ball. Like the inability to run the ball last, basically beyond Jaden Daniels is a troubling thing. But it feels like between what they got out of high school

this year and what they're bringing through the portal, that they did significantly upgrade the roster. And we haven't mentioned Garrett Nussmeyer yet. Like they have one of the best quarterbacks in the country coming back. Yeah. Finna in the industry rankings. You okay with that?

I'm all right with it. As long as it pans out. If you're in the top 10, it really comes down to value. Now look, would they have rather had the number one guy in their class who they had until they didn't in Bryce Underwood? Yeah. Bryce Underwood wasn't slated to start in 2025. So our discussion of- It would have looked better from an optic standpoint because they probably would have been sort of the six to five range. But yeah, and they got 10 players out of Louisiana. So, and that was another concern when he did the fake accent, right?

Like how's this guy gonna come into the south and connect with Louisiana players and like they've done a pretty good job The great job even of keeping the best players at home. Well and Louisiana players want to play for LSU It's it's important to people in Louisiana to play for LSU. It matters. So, yes, NIL matters too, but I think LSU has gotten to the point where they can make competitive offers and then they're going to be able to get those guys. So this is one more quote from his press conference because I thought this was really interesting because you and I had a long discussion about this during the spring portal period last year and what he said.

I criticized the messaging at the time. I think he's figured out how to message this now. I think we go into this next portal window with no expectations of we need to get somebody out of the spring portal, it would have to be something that just was a right fit for us. So we don't go into the second portal with any expectations like we had going into the December portal. So. That is a is a much better place than than last year, because this time last year they went into the spring portal with glaring holes. They knew they needed to fill. They took

a run at some defensive lineman and look if you are a defensive lineman. With some ability in the spring portal, you can extort as much money as you'd like out of these programs and Brian Kelly. That's where the we don't buy players came from. It wasn't we don't buy players. It's the price tag for these particular players is too high. And now they're in a situation where they're not stuck in a seller's market needing to buy. Yeah. I like that. It's like buying a house, you know, it's a good time to buy bad time to buy, but also to buy. Yeah. I like that. It's like buying a house, you know, it's a good time to buy bad time to buy,

but also to like the. Spring window is the sellers market, right based on necessity and scarcity. I mean like that that bought by design. Prices are always going to be higher for good players in that in that window, especially for desperate teams that like need need need need to fill a hole. So, you know, I think it's always in a good place. If you feel like you could go into the fall camp with the roster that's currently situated in February, and then you have a chance to accentuate because like I also feel like. And I think Ohio State did this.

There are teams that have done this that take luxury pieces because they have the money and they have the will, but they're not reliant on those players. And like that is is the sweet spot. But yeah, it sounds like they're in a better place going into into the fall and into the spring. Raymond in the chat says come extort my Irish. We got the money. Defensive tackles are welcome. I don't

know. That's it. It isn't upset the apple cart type of situation with D lineman in the spring portal. Like you you got to you don't worry about the guys you paid to retain because you got to you got to pay everybody more and that that that's what LSU was worried about last year like How do you? justify to will campbell How much you would have paid to to one of those d tackles? It's a it's a legitimate concern. So the way they handle it this year is better

I think a lot of that last year had to do with the timing of bringing in the new defensive staff so All right, Ari. Let's let's put you on the spot. Before you put me on the spot, we have this comment here. Okay. Why? We just cuz he paid for that doesn't mean we have to show that. I thought we do. No. But that comment once leads me into another discussion point. Okay. Which is that's the general view, I think, of the public of Brian Kelly. Am I wrong? Like he's one of the more hated. Absolutely. Hundred percent the view of the public of Brian Kelly. Yes.

Plant the Flag helped me with the show topic. But when you are a fan of the team that he's coaching, you obviously are predisposed to loving him. My question to you and then you can put me on the spot. Yeah spot is if the winning doesn't come, does the patience from the fan base wear thinner as a result of that public notion? Oh, I I don't think it's as a result of that public notion. I my feeling on coaches and whether they are nice people or likable people is it doesn't matter if you're nice or likeable if you are 12 and 0 or if you are 0 and 12.

But I'm saying is your leash shorter when you're not likeable? Not at LSU because at LSU the standard is win championships, compete for national championships. So if he's not doing that, the patients will go away. The patients will be there if they feel like he's on track to compete for championships. So that that brings me back to the record discussion. Okay, go ahead. Nine in three miss what I was gonna say is It's a it's a winning ticket with this over-under like you go Fandle Put down your money on nine It's a winning ticket with this over under. Like you go Fandl, put down your money on nine,

and they go nine and three, and you're cashing it, but they would still be incredibly mad at Brian Kelly. It wouldn't be mad at you and me for where we have him on our list. The anger would all just go straight to Brian Kelly because then he's not doing the assignment. The assignment at LSU is compete for national championships. If they are nine and three,

now look, there may be, we've only got one year of the 12 team playoff. So there may be years where nine and three gets you in. And maybe this is one of those years but I'm not entirely sure it does. That was what I was gonna say. I was gonna say, what about nine and three with a playoff spot? They're fine with it. First round exit. I think they're fine with it. I think you're in the if you go get blown out in the first round. That's different, but you lose to

Michigan 20 I think they're fine with it. I think as long as they're in the playoff if they're in the tournament They're fine with it So if you're fine with nine and three in a first round exit, if you're in the tournament, the tournament, then you also simultaneously can't be mad that I have him 16th on my coaches list, right? No, they can be mad at whatever they want.

No, I know. It's you for anything, but it's a consistent. It's an inconsistent thought process. If you go into year five and you don't have a top seven coach in America, if you go into year five without. Yeah, but we're not, we're not here to litigate fan rationality. Like fans are supposed to be irrational and short for fanatic. So that part doesn't matter. What matters to them and this I'm'm going based on actual LSU fans that I was chatting with on the message.

Yeah. And these are deeply invested people that we care. We respect those opinions more than anyone. Yeah, they understand the program. They're probably more critical than we are of the program. They just wanna make the playoff. They like there are there are posts on that thread that say I do not care what the record is as long as we make the playoff. Yeah.

And I get it is kind of. Because whether you make the playoff also has a lot to do with the circumstance of the rest of the country like his 9 and 3 is different in different years, too. Correct. But if you look at their actual schedule this year, if they go nine and three, that means that they will have probably two pretty quality

wins at the end of the year to prop them up, right? Like nine and I guess nine and three probably means they have two wins against playoff teams. Yeah, nine and three means they have a win over Oklahoma and South Carolina, which would look really good or Florida and Alabama that could look, you know, there's different ways to get there but I mean, I guess if they lost to to Clemson, South Carolina and Alabama,

that would be tough but it's kind of hard to predict that because what a Florida or Oklahoma are awesome. Like nine and three, you're right. You probably have at least one win over another playoff team. Yeah. And we don't know about Ole Miss. Like they have to replace a ton. But Lane Kiffin has been good at replacing things. We don't know about Texas A&M. This could wind up being an incredibly tough schedule. So we'll see how that plays out. But I understand where they're coming from when they say just

make the playoff because I think it's a little bit different. Like the discussion we had about Florida last week where I said there's a window where Florida goes over its Vegas total, which is only six and a half, and they still want everybody wants to fire Billy Napier like seven and five Florida fans are apoplectic. Apoplectic, there you go. But if Florida's nine and three misses the playoffs, I think Billy Napier is probably fine.

Like I don't think, I think they're gonna be, they'll grumble about it, but it's not like the end of the world. If LSU's nine and three misses the playoff, there is gonna be a segment of the LSU fan base, understandably because of the circumstances of the firing of Ed Orgeron, the hiring of Brian Kelly, that will go, what are we even doing here? Okay, let me move the standard over just a little bit, Andy. Eight and four, then what? They're really mad. Really mad. So that would be a repeat of last season and you know to go back to the LSU

doesn't lose games. They're not supposed to lose on Brian Kelly. They don't the one game. I think in hindsight looks really weird. Now is their Alabama game last year. Yeah, where they get dominated at home by an Alabama team that we find come to find out isn't that good. Yeah, it looked worse in retrospect than it did the day of. Yeah, day of it's like oh both these teams are are still in playoff hunt and they're they're fighting for their

playoff lives like you get it but looking back that team beats you like that well in your stadium here's another thing i don't know if it if it matters or not but they've also been blown out in at least one game every year under brian kelly right and that's not typically yeah origin run had some some blowout losses in the final couple of years. Yeah, they got blown out in the opener in 2020, not the opener, sorry, to Tennessee. That was the fun Tennessee team. 40 to 13 and they lost to Georgia 50 to 30. So they got blown out twice in 2022.

In 2023, they got blown out by Florida State in the opener, 45 to 24. And last year they got blown out by Bama. the opener 45 to 24 and last year they got blown out by Bama. That's four blowouts in three years. So that's where they're at. It is a job that you can win the national title at, but you'd better be getting toward the national title. So that's why I think they're one of the most interesting teams. That's why we spent 40 minutes talking about them today. You wrote a hot seat column this year, didn't you?

Yeah, I didn't put Brian Kelly on it. Did it even, did it occur to you? Yeah, I thought about it, but one, the buyout's too big. There's no, you're not doing anything with Brian Kelly. Like, but I also don't, like this one of those fan base versus administration situations. Now look, if Scott Woodward at some point is not the athletic director at LSU,

different situation. Brian Kelly is Scott Woodward's hire, that's his baby. He's gonna wanna make that work no matter what. If for some reason that changes, then we have a different conversation. But I still think his contract falls into the Lincoln Riley, Mike Norvell, like there's nothing you can do about this right now.

Yeah. That was a good discussion. I liked it, I liked it. Actually the giant buyouts bring us into the other topic I want to talk about today because I did a list of the most impactful coordinator moves this off season. And I think because of those huge buyouts, there was less movement this past off season on the head coaching front, but it created some pretty nuclear coordinator moves. And obviously, Jim Knowles leaving for Penn State is a big one leaving Ohio State that wasn't

based on anybody. Well, it was it was based on Clemson underperforming, firing Wes Goodwin, Tom Allen going to Clemson, and that opened the Penn State job, although Jim Knowles also talked to Notre Dame and to Oklahoma. Oklahoma replaced both coordinators. Florida State replaced both coordinators. Michigan replaced its offensive coordinator.

Like there is a lot new and I'll just throw it out to you. If you think of all these moves, what's the one that is the biggest to you that will have the biggest impact on the- Ryan Grubb, Ryan Grubb, Ryan Grubb, Ryan Grubb. All right, which is an interesting one. The only person who lost their job in this situation is Ryan Grubb. Ryan Grubb was Kailin DeBoer's offensive coordinator at Fresno State and Washington.

He was gonna go with him to Alabama, but then he got hired by the Seattle Seahawks, which look, if the NFL team in the town where you currently live says, come do the same job for us and we'll pay you more money. You take it. You're not going to rather than move across the country. You take it. He did. It didn't work out. He got fired. He is now headed to Tuscaloosa to be the offensive coordinator in Alabama. And it's interesting that Nick Sheridan, who wound up calling plays this year, he's staying on staff.

It's not like they brought in Ryan Grubb and Nick Sheridan is like, well, I'm out of here because I'm not going to get to call plays anymore. Like Nick and Nick Sheridan worked on the same staff with those guys at Washington. Nick Sheridan is the reason Michael Pennex Jr. went to Washington because he had helped recruit him to Indiana, had actually helped recruit him at Tennessee when

Nick was an analyst at Tennessee. And he was a great player. Washington. Nick Sheridan is the reason Michael Pennex Jr. went to Washington because he had helped recruit him to Indiana had actually helped recruit him at Tennessee when when Nick was an analyst at Tennessee, but I think it's telling that this didn't blow the whole thing up like it's just everybody going. Oh, this is how it's supposed to be. Yeah, and I've said this on the show a few times, but like the Washington offense from two years ago is some of the most beautiful offense ever. And like the idea of getting

the band back together to play with some of the talent that they're going to have. Like I can't only imagine like what offense might look like in two years with Keelan Russell. I don't know if it's going to be this year, but like it's going to be good. Year two, Keelan Russell with year three, Ryan Williams and that coaching staff, like, can you start like seeing the vision a little bit? Um, and like the thing that's so funny is, is that we always talk about like, Oh wow, Alabama's talent. Washington had a lot of really explosive, good NFL caliber,

offensive skill position players on the team that went to the national championship and offensive lineman like Roger Rosengarten started for the Ravens this year. Like they had good players across the board in Seattle that year. They were playing really really high level high talent football that year, but if they can figure out their quarterback situation, I think Alabama has a chance to shock some people this year and I

think it's funny to say it that way but like when I had them in the playoff, people are like, oh god, here we go again with Bama and it's like they've got no. No, they still have lots of. Yeah. Great athletes on that team. So but yeah, I think that like in terms of influential because Alabama's offense Point the finger at Jalen not Jalen hurts Jalen Oro They were the same person in my brain for a second and I am embarrassed by it because one's a Super Bowl champion And one had a tough day at the senior bowl

But maybe one day Jalen from Texas who played quarterback at Alabama. Who played quarterback at Alabama, yeah, I get it. I get it, but still. This seems to be the most, the highest ceiling or the biggest change. Like, cause like with Penn State getting Jim Knowles is up there, obviously.

But Penn State was also really good at defense. Yeah, like, that's like, I know they're gonna be great. Jim Knowles is up there, obviously, but Penn State was really good at defense. Yeah, like that's like, I know they're going to be great. Jim Knowles is going to be awesome. He's a great defensive coordinator, maybe the best in the country, but like Penn State's issues aren't getting stopped. Like it's never been that, that's never been their problem. So for me, the biggest transitional opportunity here

is in Alabama. I would agree with that. I would agree with that. And I'm excited to see what this looks like because it was so much fun to watch the last time the board and grub were together. So we'll see if they can put that together. The other one for me Ari, that- I guess. Yeah, yeah.

The other one for me is Ben Arbuckle. There it is, yes. So Ben Arbuckle headed to Oklahoma from Washington State. John Matier, the quarterback from Washington State also coming along. Ari, I will give you a hint as to what the number one song on the billboard chart was the week that Ben Arbuckle was born. They played it three times at my high school homecoming dance. That's how old I am.

It was the hottest song in America. I'm trying to do the math in my head because I know how old he is. It was the hottest song in America. I'm trying to do the math in my head because I know how old he is. Was it like Mo Money Mo Problems or something? You're very close. You're very close. It was actually before that. It was Gangsta's Paradise by Coolio. Oh Coolio. That was the first rap song I ever heard. My dad bought the single for some reason.

And was playing it in my house. And that is the reason why I like rap music to this day. There you go. And thank you Cool Coolio and thank you, Michelle Pfeiffer. Now. I undershot a few years, but I had the right idea. Yeah. No, you did. So Ben Arbuckle is 29 right now. He'll be, he turns 30 in week three of the season. Like it's, it's crazy. This is a lot to put on this guy because Am I am I over selling it? when I say that Whether this works or not probably determines whether bread venables remains the head coach at Oklahoma

Long term. Yeah, but I also think too that this is impactful because it also became it also was a Domino that helped a major personnel change Like it's not just who's calling the plays and who's coaching it also was a domino that helped a major personnel change. Like it's not just who's calling the plays and who's coaching. It's like they completely veered off of their longterm plan at the quarterback position off of the two guys that were on the roster and went in a different direction.

So in terms of like impactful or important, like you could even make the case at Oklahoma is number one because it was a different coach and a different quarterback. And it is a kind of push all in decision. It's that important. And the reason it's so important is because Brent Venables had the opportunity to hire an offensive coordinator the year before he hired Seth Littrell. it did not work. So, and the thought was when Jeff Levy left, do you go get the hot young guy? Do you get the older guy?

And, you know, Seth Littrell and Jeff Levy don't run the same offense. You know, if you were gonna get somebody safe and somebody you know, then it probably should have been the same offense that you'd recruited Jackson Arnold to run. And like that's one of those things where everybody who doesn't actually understand football, thinks the air raid and the old Art Briles offense

are the same offense, because Art Briles was an assistant at Texas Tech for like two years. They're not the same. They're completely different. And that was a that was a tactical error. Now our buckle comes from the air raid tree, but he's bringing a quarterback who already knows how to run the offense. Yeah and somebody who a lot of people haven't watched

and I don't think appreciate how good is jobeteers really good like like Oklahoma is a legitimate Dark horse for playoff contention next year like we we have to have an Oklahoma episode and like hey, you know what sooner fans? I know you don't like me And I know I've rubbed you the wrong way. I'm buying Oklahoma stock right now for next year because it's low and it's attractive and there's some pretty high ceiling there. I know we have a long off season but like it's uh they fix their offensive line. Andy, do you do you believe that they fix their

offensive line? I don't know yet. I don't know yet. I do know they fix the philosophical errors that they made Three and four years ago that caused the issues last year. So last year They just they didn't have a lot of great offensive line talent in the pipeline in the tank that was ready to play because when NIL started They had and this is this goes back to the Riley staff too, but Bill Beaton-Bow was the offensive line coach for both, they really had not prioritized getting the best offensive lineman out of high school, and it showed starting in 2023 2024 recruiting classes.

They fixed that. So I think they're going to be better there because bill Beanbow is a is an excellent teacher of offensive line play always has been. It was that he didn't really have the raw material to work with. I do think that's going to be better now. Yeah, Dion Burks. I bought one of his cards on eBay the other day buying stock was talking to Cole Kublick. He's very high on Dion Burks. Good quarterback,

good receiver, good offensive line. They'll figure out how to run the ball. Great defense. Well, John, here's gonna be a big piece of the running game too. So that's yeah, he he did a lot more design running at Washington State than Kamorra did the year before. Yeah. If I were a Miami fan, I'd be grinding my teeth right now. I'm thinking about that. Having having the outside of like getting him. I know but like they had the the taste of it. You know, you know what

it's like. It's like going to Costco and they got those little weenies in a blanket And they've got a little cheese on the pastry and then you take a sample By the way got snapped at at Costco on Sunday. Just so you know By a Costco. Did you try to did you double dip on the samples? Did you try to take a second sample? They don't like that. Do we have time for a 30-second rant? Go ahead. Okay. Well first, let me let me finish the analogy. It's like having a hot dog, pig in a blanket pastry sample and then thinking it's delicious and then wanting them and then

they don't have any more to sell. It's just the sample is there but there's no product. That's what Miami experienced. They tasted the weenie in the blanket. That sounded terrible. I'm sorry. Is Cam Ward the weenie in the blanket in this situation? The delicious weenie in a blanket. No, no, John Matier was. Okay. Oh no, Cam Ward was the taste. John Matier was the sample. And now they're like, I want to buy the whole box. And, and, and Brett Venables is just just running running toward the exit with the box Costco rant And I need to start this rant by letting you all know because on CNBC the analysts have to do this. I am a

Costco stockholder It's been a really really good few years Then you go into this place. You can't even move your cart. It's insane But here's the thing. I I got snapped at for and I am like have been thinking about it for two days. So, have you been to Costco or Sam's recently? Uh we we don't have a Costco where I live. We we go to Sam's Club. Okay. But you know when they have the samples out, there's like a a clear plastic

tray that just goes like this. Yes. They put samples underneath and they put samples underneath and they put them on the top, but it's just kind of like a little, like small miniature table. Of course. So they had a barbecue chicken slider samples. And the woman's back was to me

as I was coming down the aisle and I reached, like I was next to her, but I reached underneath the table to grab the slider as you go, sir, sir. And like it was like, like raised her voice at me and goes, you can only take them from the front. It's a health hazard. And I said, okay, didn't know that. Sorry. And like, I was kind of mean back. Cause it's like, why are you talking to me? Like I'm a three year old. Explain to me why me reaching from behind instead of from the front, when it's an open air space is a health hazard. I have no idea.

I don't know if that's a store rule or a state rule. I don't know. Couldn't tell you. As I often tell my kids, if there's a rule, it's because there was an incident. But I can't figure out what that incident was. Somebody got the flu because they grabbed it from behind and not the front. It's the same thing. We're talking about samples here, right? Can you picture? Yeah, can you picture what I'm talking about though? Like did I do a good job of explaining it? They had a tray. You painted the picture so well table and there was a little table like a little tray that was like they had samples

underneath and on the top. I was next to her instead of facing her when I grabbed it and I it was a health. It was a health. Health hazard. It's an issue of control. It's not health hazard probably was the wrong choice of words for her. It probably is a store regulation or something like that probably to maintain order in the sample. She was just upset and like I'm like I'm like on Larry team Larry David here like I will I don't go out of my way to get the samples And I only have one because I'm not there to like smash food

Really really really didn't appreciate the tone Also secondary rant took my daughter boy. Uh, here we go a burger place last night in the burger place in Dallas I'm not gonna say the name because I don't want to get them in trouble with the Better Business Bureau. They have a little miniature arcade. And if you've ever had a three-year-old, you know that when they see the arcade, they want to play.

They're in. Yeah. I didn't have cash on me because people in America don't have cash in 2025. And there was no way to get quarters. I went up to the to the woman. I said, hey, I've got credit cards and an ATM card. Is there anything I can do to get quarters so my daughter can play the games? And she looked at me like, oh, I'm like, are you telling me that this has never happened

before? There's no solution to the issue that we're having here, which is a person who wants their kid to patronize your business and play the games Who doesn't have already have cash on them? There's no ATM and I can't like charge my credit card or ATM card a dollar or five dollars Through the register for you to give me coins so she can play How am I the the first person in the history of this business to not have cash on me? I Can't stand nonsense, I can't stand it. Well, I know the rules and I know I know that these are very two very different situations.

Clearly, the burger place is not making enough money off the arcade machines to justify putting credit card readers on them, because they would make to justify putting credit card readers on them. Because they would make more money with credit card readers, but if they don't feel like the juice is worth the squeeze, they're not gonna do that. You probably should carry some cash on you, just cuz. Are you a cash, do you have cash on you at all times?

I do more often now that I've switched from the the phone holder, card holder that I switched out of after I dropped all my credit cards and driver's license at your house and then showed up the airport with no driver's license and credit cards. You found them underneath the rug that the bed was on. Underneath the rug. Do you know what kind of psychopath you'd have to be to lose your cards under the rug? And I have no idea how it happened.

I'd done two playoff games in two nights, and I was just awful. I was out. So I went a long time without carrying cash. I'm now back with a wallet which has a strap. Cash is being carried. I never have cash, ever. Ferris, there's a reason there are some businesses that are cash only businesses. Yes, because they're cheating on their taxes That's why I cash only businesses have an ATM

It's like you're gonna have a feature of your restaurant that requires coins because if you if you carry cash, that's one thing If you carry coins, you're a psychopath But the thing that I that bothers me it's not that she couldn play the game. And I'm not even saying that it's not partially my fault for not having cash, but is to have a very easy, easily solvable problem and then bring up that problem that everybody has when they don't have cash. It's not that easily solvable because the arcade is not their core business. The lady you are talking to is trying to sell you a hamburger, take the money from you for the hamburger.

That is a very secondary thing that probably, I would imagine the employees of that store have to spend way more time on than they want to. And so it probably wasn't her looking at you like you have three heads, like, what are you talking about? No one's ever brought this up before. It probably was, God, another person's complaining about the fricking arcade games.

Like, that was probably what it was. To me, I like walked back to the table and I had to tell the three-year-old, hey, sorry, baby, we can't play. And I'm thinking to myself, we are rats in a maze right now. And there are just no, there's no cheese. Like, there's no solution to this problem. Like, what can we do as a society like the solution is a society very cash dad

Credit card points are to stop looking for the societal solution when there's a personal one But you think this is on me carry cash So like you know Did you know there was an arcade there before you went? I didn't know we were going there. She wanted to go there on my home. Okay.

Well, okay. I'm not going to I'm not going to kill you for this. I'm just saying not everyone is going to have your view of the world. Not everyone is going to be as technologically advanced as you'd like. So, you make sure you're the kind of person who can meet people where they are in a given situation.

Okay, I guess it's on me. Thank you. I say that in the same situation where like I've been in a like the tipping situations and like now that you sometimes you go you go to a place where it's valley parking only or you go to a place where there there is tipping involved and they have a qr code where you can throw a tip at somebody which I. Because those people are working hard, people carry cash less, and people who work for tips get screwed because of it.

Yeah, I'm a tipper. I'm a tipper. I tip, I put the cart back. I'm not an asshole. I'm not mean to people. I just don't like being put into situations or being in situations where there's an easy solution and then the person that is in charge

of helping you solve that problem. Right, but the person behind the register is not the person in charge of ordering credit card readers for the arcade machines. That's somebody that that's probably that their boss's boss. No ATM. Can we run my credit card? Through the machine for five bucks and give me five dollars. They can't do that. They can't do that because it'll activate your fraud alerts on your credit card. So if they charge five dollars at Burger House,

I just gave away the business. Okay, there you go. Poor Ari. All right, we've talked coordinators. Which is kind of, you know, second in command. Let's talk about another second in command.

Do you know who the lieutenant governor of Ohio is now? Yeah, I don't know what that is. But it seems important. Lieutenant governor is like vice president. Except for governor vice governor Yeah, second command. I do think it's a dresser. There is now the lieutenant governor. Yeah Yes, Jim. Trestle is now the lieutenant governor of Ohio

Former Ohio State head coach former Youngstown State president How about that I Am debating on whether or not I want the show to go another 15 minutes for me to look like an asshole again Or if I should just be like wow, that's cool Do it okay into your basis and instincts Do it. Okay. Give into your basis and instincts. Started my career covering this man. I've been around him quite a bit in my life. Very pleasant human being. I don't know that I've been around a coach whose players adore him more than his former players. Did you and I talk to one at the senior bowl that was

obsessed with him? Yeah we talked. We saw Mike Brewster. Yeah. I have a lot of really awesome things to say about Jim Trestle and I also think that the way his career ended at Ohio State was a joke. Felt important at the time is a joke and I'm happy that history. I was thinking about this. Can I sidetrack this discussion a little bit? But I think it, I don't think I'm, I think this is a legitimate Jim Trestle legacy discussion. If Connor Stallions happens in 2011 and Gold Pants Gate happens in 2000, let's say 2020, right before NIL comes into play. Cause if it, once NIL comes into play,

Gold Pants Gate doesn't even happen. Yes. Here's what I think happens. If Connor Stallions happens in 2011 when Gold Pantskate happened, then Michigan fires everybody. Because at the time, schools took NCAA rules seriously. They're like, oh my God, what do we do? If you flipped them and the the Tressel thing happens closer to NIL coming into existence, like let's say it happened in 2020, people are like, who cares? Who cares? The funniest thing about this Andy is that Jim

Tressel got, his career ended because he lied to the NCAA. He lied to the NCAA and they had proof of it because of, yeah. Lied to the NCAA and I wrote a column laughing at how stupid it is. I'm like, who cares? Right. So I'm happy that history has gotten to a point where we can revise how we view it, but he left a disgraced human when he was one of the greatest ambassadors of Ohio State football in the history of the program. So I'm happy that we view him that way. I wrote a column because I went to the NCAA hearing. It was at the Marriott in downtown Indianapolis.

It was Ohio State's hearing on that case. And I remember seeing Jim Trestle. I watched him leaving. He came alone, he didn't have an entourage, I don't know if he had a lawyer with him. And he goes out to the circle in the front of the hotel, hands them his ticket, they bring around his pickup truck, and he just drives away.

And like, that was the punishment. And I think when we talk about this Michigan stuff, we're going to talk about this Michigan stuff more as that NCAA case gets closer. But the punishment used to be that a school would fire the head coach over this. Yeah, like they never actually would get the people because they couldn't the people who actually did the thing, but they'd fire the head coach and you'd have to lose the good head coach and then all of a sudden you were punished and the lie was an attempt to protect his players right it was I think I think it was definitely an

attempt to protect his players. So what happened with Jim Trestle was a former player named Chris Cicero emailed him and said, this is going on. There are these guys that are trading memorabilia for tattoos at a tattoo parlor. Just want to let you know. And all Jim Trestle basically wrote back was like message received or got it something like that But he gets asked about it by the NCAA investigators and he goes I don't know anything about that So they've got him in the line because they already had the email at that point so they got it and they put him up on the the

unethical conduct charge and there was no argument and Jim Tressel being Jim Tressel was not going to be like I didn't he's like I have no argument but I do think he was trying to protect those players and they were selling their own possessions that's the other thing too it wasn't like a game for play scheme they were just selling and the funniest thing is that Terrell Pryor didn't even get a tattoo. Which is funny. I don't think people know that. Right. He wasn't one of the recipients of the tattoos. It's, it was all done. I wrote that at the time. I wrote- Are players allowed to sell their own stuff now? Yeah. Like if Jeremiah Smith wanted to put his national championship ring on eBay,

he could, right? Yeah, I would think so. I don't even remember what the rule they broke was Well the the rule they broke was you can't sell that stuff and they've changed that rule the NCAA handbook to say that you can Either they've changed it. They're just not enforcing it. Yeah, it's a it's a bizarre rule. It wouldn't survive a court challenge today. Alright, so here's the part about Jim Trussell that I'm going to say that's going to make me look like an asshole. Okay. All good things Jim Trussell. And maybe I'm stupid because I don't know like what he did at Youngstown State, but like what makes him and even Tommy

Tumorville lifelong coaches like qualified to hold public office? Let's not put these two together. No, I'm just saying like what what okay, take Tommy Tumberville. I know what what makes what makes anybody qualified. I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. I'm asking. I mean, Jim Trestle's been the the same. Same time and time again, been the CEO of a large organization, a decent or decent sized organization. You know, had to deal with budgets and deal with

people and like, so the guy who put in my garage floor could be the governor of Texas. Well, yeah, that's how our government works. If you want to run for it. Yeah, I don't know what the pre-reqs are. Anybody can run. Anybody. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know anything about about that stuff, but I feel like clearly interesting because it's like, yeah, no, clearly. I don't I mean, I don't know what the trestle state president. He's also been the president of a university like I know he's probably more qualified than most people. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. See, I look like an asshole. I told you it was gonna happen. I don't know II just I don't get it. I don't

get it. What do you think you have to do to be alright and and and does it matter like what public office you're holding like do you want your county commissioner to be a little less educated than your state representative. Pretty high up individual in the government in Ohio right. Well and someone who's run an entire university seems like someone to be qualified to do that. Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah, I don't know like see I don't know like what the day to day responsibilities of the Lieutenant Governor of Ohio are so I so like maybe that's the misunderstanding. Do you ever like you hear all these positions? You know all these positions in government of like yeah, this is this and this is the mayor and this is I don't

know what their responsibilities are like you don't know what is it. You don't know what the mayor's responsibility is. I don't know what their responsibilities are. Like you don't know what is it you don't know what the mayor's responsibility is. I don't know what he does every day. No. Run the city. Be in charge of the city. It's electric. It's pretty it's a pretty broad responsibility. So Jim Dressel is now second in command of Ohio. If something happens to Mike DeWine, Jim Dressel is now second in command of Ohio. If something happens to Mike DeWine, Jim Dressel is governor. That's electric.

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a high school English test on a sports writer. So, uh. Who among us? Do you think that the average American could pass a final exam for a a government class? The average American? No, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's go find one and let's both take it. So you get the higher score. Okay. Alright, we got our grab ass for Friday show. Grab us Friday. Andy and already take the government. Take an American girl test score. You're gonna

get a higher score but like I might get like like somebody had to walk me through the three branches of government like last week like I don't know anything. What are the three branches of government? You just judicial. Jiu-jitsu. Yes. Jiu-jitsu. Judicial executive and this is where I fell apart last time. I couldn't get the third one. Don't look at the chat.

They're cheating. No one's even posting in the chat. Um, Aldrich gave you the answer. I don't remember the third one. Okay, I don't think we need to take the test. You've already failed. Legislative. What is the third one? Legislative. Okay, I don't think we need to take the test. You've already failed. Legislative? What is the third one?

Legislative. Yeah, okay, I get it. If it was a multiple choice test, I would have gotten it right. Raymond Horn, they don't teach civics. Yes, they do. My son is a high school freshman. He takes government right now. Yes, they do. They teach it. Yeah. Steve says Andy mute Ari. it's getting worse and worse. Now, we used to have a segment on the show called Ari Takes SAT Questions. I think we should, we'll bring that back for some Friday grab ass.

I will see if my son, I don't know if, I wonder if he's allowed, if he has any tests that he's taken recently in government that we could snag and ask some questions, but I'll ask. Yeah, I mean the real question too is like, do you think I'm bizarre or do you think most Americans are like me? I think most Americans are like you. Yeah, I have an expertise in one area and I... I'll be honest, like we had an argument in our kitchen

the other day among the family about what the most important amendments to the constitution were. And it would not have come up if my son and daughter were not studying them right now. Do you know them off the top of your head? I'm pretty brushed up because of that discussion last week. If you name an amendment like give me a number and I'll see if I can do it. It's also not fair because you have kids who

are going through it and you're like have to think about this. Well, give me a number. I'll really learn it when when Liv gets to high school. Give me a number and I'll tell you if I remember. Six. I don't know. Six is illegal search and seizure. Oh. No illegal search and seizure. I wouldn't. I'm in a million years if you if my life depended on it. The only one I know is two. Maybe wrong on this. The chat will correct me here. If my life depended on it, I could- Rivers on- It's a public trial. Oh, six is public trial, okay. Yeah.

All right. I know the second one because it's on a lot of people's- Six, seven, and eight are all having to do with criminal trials and how you get investigated and punished and things. What's the first? You know what the first is. Oh that free speech? Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press. Yeah and I know the second one because it's on belt buckles here. Right to bear arms, yes on belt buckles. Yeah. I see it a lot in public but. What's third?

Okay, what's the third one? No quartering of soldiers. There's no quartering soldiers in there somewhere. What does that even mean? You can't be forced to let soldiers live in your house. This was a much more pressing problem in the late 1700s. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. See, I should have just said, yeah, that's really cool. Oh, there is corner of soldiers. I got it. All right. Electric. But do you think I made the wrong decision here? I should have been like, that's really cool for Jim Trestle. He's the senator and he was going to fit. No, I don't. I think he made the exact right decision

This is like an this is exactly the conversation. We need to be having at the back end of the show I'm not one of these people who like has to pretend like they know everything so like I don't I Probably like I do feel This is an actual admission about where I'm at And I've thought about this but I act it's a very contentious time in our country from a political standpoint, right? And I actually have had some remorse in the last few months. Not at being like completely disengaged from it, like, because I don't know anything about that stuff, because I don't read about it. I don't know anything about that stuff because I don't read about it.

I don't pay attention to it and like I wish I was probably more up to speed with the challenges that are going on. Well, we will get you the Bill of Rights on tape and you can listen to it. Yeah, I just feel like it. Yeah, yeah, I'll stop there. But I should be more informed in this particular area because I know it impacts Our country and I care about our country. I just Just remember the 21st Amendment was a big one for this past Sunday. I

Don't get the joke you got to tell me the joke they repealed prohibition Oh Electric I don't get the joke. You gotta tell me the joke. They repeal prohibition. Oh, electric. All right, Danny Piquel joins you in 13 minutes right here on the On3 YouTube channel with the hard count. Ari, we need to have JD on. We need a little crossover event. How do you feel about a crossover event this week? I missed T-Bob A-Bear today.

I think he would have been a really awesome guest to have. Maybe like in July or something we can run that back. We will definitely revisit with T-Bob. Now the problem is with T-Bob, like when we get to this part of the show, it's just going to be me and him talking about Star Wars and you're going to be checked out. Yeah, I'll just go take a nap or something. Or maybe T-Bob. But yeah, we will do the media LSU part first.

Yes. But yeah, JD, JD's the man. Love his show and hope he can come out with us soon. And we gotta start piecing together some of these shows here. So I'm super excited about the options that we have. And maybe I will go just Google like high school government test Taste it take it and see how it goes No, I we got to do it on the show

I think it's more fun to do on the show You have to go find a multiple choice one and ask me the questions on the show on Friday. Well, I will I trust me I this is I feel very you know, I feel like I got the assignment. So here's the thing very, you know, I feel like I got the assignment. So here's the thing, as an adult who possesses common sense, pays his taxes, owns a home, has a wife and a child, and has a great credit score. Like is my common sense as a human being enough to get through a high school exam? Like, even if I don't know the information off the top of my head, like you know that show,

are you smarter than a fifth grader? It's like I have this general understanding of like my common sense in the world probably would help me traverse most tests if I had multiple choices. It's the producing of the fact out of thin air that I can't do, but I could probably pick the right one. Well, I am going to find something and. We'll figure it out. Hey, on the federal government website, they've got a 2008 civics practice test.

So 20 questions. We'll see you on Friday. Electric. We love you. Talk to you tomorrow.