Andy & Ari On3 - Tennessee AD goes AGAINST SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey: Danny White calls for a 24 team CFP field | Duke Basketball + Amazon Prime | Missouri RB Ahmad Hardy Joins

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

As change is inevitable in college football, one major change that is expected in the near future is the expansion of the 12-team College Football Playoff field. As the University of Tennessee put on its Big Orange Caravan, Tennessee AD Danny White went against the grain on what the SEC commissioner wants: a 24 team playoff field. As Greg Sankey has been against the expansion of the 12-team field, it seems as if the 24 team field picks up more and more steam. Is Greg Sankey in quicksand fighting this battle? Will the CFP field really double to 24? Let us know your thoughts if you think this is a good idea.   (0:00) On Today’s Episode (0:53) Intro: Danny White on 24 team field (11:42) The top 25 in CFB (18:54) Duke Basketball & Amazon Prime (30:38) Nick Saban’s comments on Paul Finebaum (40:05) Previewing Andy & Ari’s Interview with Ahmad Hardy (41:07) Missouri RB Ahmad Hardy joins (50:33) Missouri's Outlook in 2026 (55:33) Closing out with Ahmad Hardy (56:51) Recapping Ahmad Hardy (59:02) Who Am I? (1:04:10) Conclusion: Costumed Mascots   After the fellas wrap up discussing Danny White's comments in Nashville, the guys switch gears to college basketball, where Duke basketball has partnered with Amazon Prime to show non-conference games on the streaming platform. Is this the right move for college sports? Andy & Ari discuss.   Next up, Nick Saban went on the Paul Finebaum show and had some interesting comments on the state of college football. Is the legendary head coach right?   Later, Missouri RB Ahmad Hardy joins Andy & Ari to discuss his love for horseback riding and his time at Missouri. Can the electrifying playmaker catapult the Missouri Tigers to College Football Playoff status?   To close, Andy & Ari plays this week's rendition of Who Am I? How many clues did it take you to get this week's player?   Join On3 today! https://www.on3.com/join   Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari Wasserman Producer: River Bailey   Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today's Andy and Ari on 3, an SEC athletic director voices his support for a 24 team playoff. How inevitable does this thing sound at this point? Also, Duke's basketball team does a deal with Amazon Prime. More chance of streamers coming in and televising more of college sports, we'll dig in. Plus, Nick Saban says he wishes there were more parody in college football like back when he coached. We'll talk about that. Plus, an interview with Missouri running back, Amad Hardy, who one of the best backs in the country and probably the smoothest rider in all of college football.

We'll talk to Amad Hardy today on Andy and Ari on 3. Welcome to Andy and Arion 3 and Ari. I think we're fighting a losing battle. that just occurred to you today? No, it's just getting worse and worse. Ari and I have fighting the good fight against a 2014 playoff. I realize the people in charge don't care what we think. They also don't care what you think,

because I think most of you want a 2014 playoff. When an athletic director in the one league that is fighting against it says, hey, that's probably what should be happening. I don't like our chances, and by us, I mean the people who don't want a 2014 playoff. Ari, I'm going to play the clip from Tennessee athletic director, Danny White. He was at the big orange caravan stop in Nashville. Steve Lehman from News Channel 5 in Nashville got this video. Here is Tennessee Athletic Director Danny White talking about why he thinks there should be a 2014

playoff. I'd like to see it go to 24. I think you look at the percentage of the field and football, it's significantly less than every other sport that we have. And we've, the expanded playoff, I've always been an advocate for it since way before I even came to Tennessee. I thought it would be better for the regular season. There was a lot of naysayers that said it would decimate the regular season. And what happened? We had higher ratings than the regular season we've ever had before, particularly in the back third of the regular season when more teams are in the hunt, which is healthy.

And I think we see that in all of our other sports. But a bigger percentage of SEC teams, a bigger percentage of just FBS teams in general should qualify for the postseason if we're going to crown our national champion that way. And we clearly are. So when he talks about having experience, remember he was UCF's AD in 2017 when UCF went undefeated and did not make the 14th playoffs. So there is some experience on that end informing his perspective here. Do you think that Greg Sanky has to wear a night guard at night? To keep him grinding his teeth, yes, I do. Because this is highly unusual.

And I'm glad you brought it up that way, Ari, because I think we're not used to seeing people in the SEC openly on the record defying the commissioner of the SEC. That's not something that's happened a lot over the last 20 or so years, whether it's Greg Sanky or going back to Mike Slive, his predecessor. And I just, I'm surprised at how many people in the SEC are being this vocal because the coaches are saying it too. You've heard Kirby Smart say it. You've heard Eli Drinkwit say it. But to have an AD say it, and this is on the heels of Alabama athletic director Greg Byrne, who did not advocate for 24, but said basically the conference championship games time has passed. and Danny White, by advocating for 24, is also saying get rid of the conference championship game,

which Greg Sankey still does not want to do. I'm never surprised when teams that are usually pretty good, but aren't great, want it. I was very surprised to hear Kirby Smart say it. I just feel like every coach is going to feel that way. Yeah. You know, and I think that, I mean, we know this, what a coach wants and what a coach thinks is healthy for the game does not align with the rooting interest of the general fan.

So, like, it's just, it's not. Well, what are there? I want to talk about something Danny White said because Danny White says everybody predicted it would kill the regular season going to 12 and the regular season actually became more interesting, which is what when you and I argued about this for years, I said the regular season would be more interesting. I'm also... It's not a definitive fact either. So, I mean, everybody says that it's just a fact. It's like, yes, there are games that matter at the end of the year that didn't matter before,

but I think that the blow and the shock and the result of shocking results is sorely diminished. It dulled that, but it created more interesting games. What I'm arguing now, and I realize I'm the one who said it would be more interesting at 12, and I think I was right. I also think I'll be right if it goes to 24. where you will have less interesting games at the top. Because the teams that are really safely in, they're going to be so safely in

that their games are not going to matter as much. Now, they'll matter for seating and that sort of thing. But I think there has to be a level of danger. And I do think there's still a level of danger for most teams now with 12. And I think that's what keeps it interesting. Yeah, like I didn't think a team like Notre Dame last year. would ever not get in.

So, like, that's what I, like, I miscalculated the level of danger that 12 would have. And also, I also miscalculated how many teams would actually be very good or how many teams would be in the same bucket. Now, if we go to 24 and we get to a place later on 10 years from now where you have 30 teams that are all kind of indistinguishable from one another. It's probably the right number. Yeah. Then it's probably the right number. But, you know, as we've said time and time again, We can make that. There's no reason to make that decision right now. We can make that decision in 10 years if it comes to it.

I am fascinated by the dynamic. We can't have the same conversation about 24 over and over and over. We don't need to. You've got the more interesting piece of this. Let's talk about it. I think the interesting piece about this is that Greg Sanky is the last defender of not doing this. I was in the same room with him and spoke to him six days ago, and I could sense his frustration oozing off of his skin.

And you have an athletic director at a prominent SEC school saying the exact opposite of what he'd like to see. And he is Mr. regular season as king, right? I mean, they even, you heard Rich Clark, the executive producer of the, or executive director of executive producer is a funny mess up there, isn't it? Could be the same thing, yeah.

But yes. echoing the same sentiments that you know like Greg Sanky basically pounded into his head in that room over and over and over again and I am kind of because it's like funny we had Kurt Signetti on the show what two weeks ago or last week in time time flying I can't remember what it was but he said I'm all for whatever Tony Vatini wants you know like that's usually this 24 yeah but it's usually what you get and echoing and a aligned front on this and it as powerful as Greg Sanky is and as influential as he is. It does kind of feel like his ground that he is standing on is made of quick sayant, doesn't it? It does. And it's shocking because this is a guy who you would have thought for the longest time would have no issues and would be able to do the job until he decides it's time to retire. But he's got more people coming out against him publicly than I think he's ever had in this role. And so he's dealing with a pretty challenging part of it. What I said wasn't an insinuation that he's no longer fit for the job. My insinuation was that his, the ground that he's standing on

as it pertains to the expansion of this thing is quicksand. I say that because we got a question from Brian, one of our viewers for our mailbag segment. We can we can talk about it now because Brian's question, which I hadn't really thought about it this way, but he's like with all the people actually publicly coming out from the SEC who seem opposed to what Greg Sanky wants, is Greg Sanky as safe as we thought he was? And I do think, I don't think he's in danger of losing his job, like you said, but he does seem to be in danger of losing this one. Yeah. Yeah. There's only so much you can do. I'm just kind of, I mean, the most surprising thing to me, more than anything, isn't just this.

It's how quickly Petiti flipped the room. Yeah. And I think the way they flipped it, the thing that flipped it was getting away from the automatic bids, which was the felt like the tent pole of what they wanted last year. Because remember, this time last year, you're going into all this conference meetings. They weren't saying 24 yet on the big 10 side. They were saying 16. but it was including automatic bids. It was like four from the Big 10,

four from the SEC, two from the Big 12, two from the ACC, and then one or two from the other leagues. And that's what, like all the SEC coaches pushed back against that, and they said, no, it needs to be all that large.

And so Petiti figured out, I can go with the bigger playoff, which is the thing Fox wanted anyway. They wanted the 24 team or a 16 team that had like play-in games in each conference that essentially acted as playoffs. games. And this gives you that. It gives you the 2014 playoff and then mostly at large.

Like you could do it where the five, you know, five highest ranked conference champs or the four power conferences and one other champ, like you could do that and then everybody else at large. And that probably flipped everybody else because we said it last year, what were the ACC and the Big 12's problem with the auto bids? It actually probably wasn't even the number because that would have guaranteed them more participation than they've had so far. But they also would have been codifying their inferiority to the SEC and the Big Ten, which we all know they are, but they can't admit it because the next time around, they're going to take more away from you. Yeah. So in this new 24 team playoff, they're just going to seat it similarly to the way that

they seed the 12? Yeah, that's the plan. So the committee is going to become more important? From a seating standpoint, not from a did you get in standpoint, because everybody gets in. Yeah, the bubble just moves to a different place, but. When it's suck, they release their final top 45 rankings in a 24 team play. And they're like, coming in a number 25. And that's the only team in the entire show that's not in. So, all right, but like, you'd have to do it reverse. I was an AP poll voter, and I've said this a million times on the show. Like, when you're voting in the AP poll, teams 15 through 30 don't always feel that different.

Teams 20 through 35 don't always feel that different. Like, it's not going to be easy for the committee to parse those teams. And they are going to, like, they're going to piss people. Like, if you're 25 and 26, you're furious. Well, I did ask this last week, Andy, because it was something that I brought. up on the show last year and you know i was talking to rich clark again the director of the cfp like have you ever thought about maybe expanding out the rankings and how far you go like to give more context like if you go to 24 teams do they have to do a top 40 every week just to kind of help

because like the thing that's interesting about the top 12 is Andy the bottom half of the top 25 serves as a as a context right in a metric for right and 25 is just a very arbitrary number they actually used like, well, they had so many top 25. Well, why is it 25? Well, but if you also stop at 25 on the final show, how are we going to be able to define what was a quality win when everybody that's not ranked is in? Like it won't, like you need to go further out to show your work more.

Well, you need to do that quads like they do with basketball or something like that, something that gives you a more. context. But if the bubble is teams 25, 26, and 27. And which, which really means it's going to be teams 20, like the bubble is really going to be teams 20 through 32. Yeah. Because they're not going to be that different. But if you start going through the resumes of teams 25 through 30, they're in all likelihood. If you're ranked outside of that, you probably aren't going to have many top 10, top 15, top 25 wins at all.

You might have one. So producer river has, these are the November 24th CFP rankings. like there's a lot of a lot of same in there um yeah so also the other thing too that i was really afraid of andy when it went from four to 12 was and this was the thing that i was wrongest about was how intense the debate would be for the bubble teams because it's not high stakes when you're going from five to four as it is from 13 to 12 and i was wrong about that well in this case The team that got left out probably could have made the final or maybe even won the national title. The question I have for you, though, is how do you think the discourse would be around the bubble at 24?

Do you think people will still freak out the way they freak out now? I think they probably would. I think it depends on the teams. Yeah. I mean, if it's, yeah, if it's Tennessee, if it's Michigan, if it's Penn State, if it's Alabama, if it's Texas A&M, like, yeah, It's probably not going to be those teams. It probably is going to be those teams some years. It's really hard to be outside of the top 25.

But you're right. I mean, Tennessee was 19 last year in these rankings. So, I mean, yeah. So there are definitely ways to have an argument. And look, I don't care about the argument on the bubble that much. I care about it. It doesn't matter to me. It's my number one favorite thing to do in the entire world.

Well, it's fine. I'm more worried about it. Like if you put up those rankings, like everybody in the top 15 feels pretty safe. Like I want, I want somebody to be scared of losing. I don't even know what the records were. I wish we had the records on this graphic,

but like, this is going into the thanks. So Michigan, like, Michigan's nine and two in this one. Texas is eight and three. Going to the Texas A&M game. Tennessee and Vandy

Vandy's 9 and 2 Tennessee were they they would have been 8 and 3 losses at that point Yeah they were 8 and 3 So like Tennessee Vandy would have been for something

But they might both have gotten in Even if Vandy had beaten Tennessee Yeah No it's a I mean I Let me ask you If they have 24 teams In your preferred setting

Would you rather have Petiti's original idea Of playing games and all the drama that comes with it, or would you rather straight-seated like this? Probably rather straight-seated, but, you know, I liked the play-in-game idea. Mm-hmm. I didn't like the idea that you only had to finish sixth

in a Power League to give yourself a chance, but let's be honest, if you're going to be putting 24 teams in the playoffs, then there will be sixth-place teams in the power conferences that get in. Yeah. So, fine, I guess. The tenor of the show just sounds like a funeral right now. I'm just frustrated because I don't think they need to do this yet. I think this is too soon.

I think they should let 12 play out a little bit longer. Let's see how the sport changes. Let's see how the organization of the sport changes. Because if you go Super League and all of a sudden, there's really only 50 teams that have a chance, you don't want half the teams making the playoff. And I get that the NBA has half the teams and the NFL has 14 to 32. I mean, if they ever actually do go to the Super League though,

and we get to a point where there is only, you know, 50, 60, 65 teams in that hypothetical league. At that point, wouldn't they go back to the drawing board on how to have to do everything from postseason on? I don't think they would. I think once the playoff is that big, they never go back. Okay. Like, they just started with, well, we have a 2014 playoff. Because going to a Super League feels like we're creating a whole new league, a whole new system, a whole new. Agreed.

And I would create it differently, but that's just, I, I, I'm thinking of human nature here. And then if there's a 2014 playoff, they'd probably like, well, that's where we start. Whereas if there's a 12th team playoff, they'd probably be like, that's where we start. I really, really, you're scaring me.

I really hope we don't get to a Super League with the 2014 playoff. Oh my God. That would be a disaster. Human nature says they won't like they won't unring the bell. Yeah. But new, hopefully, if it does come to that,

because it does kind of feel like imminent at some point. Whoever's in charge of organizing the Super League and the way that it's structured and how finances go and all the things, because you're starting from scratch. You're probably going to be collectively bargaining at that point, all the things. That there will be a commissioner of that league that will be like, all right, guys, here's what we're doing. And then they might be able to save us from that. But, you know, it is remarkable when you start talking about the 2014 playoff, how if you go down Pandora's box of all the things that could possibly change about the sport.

and how quickly that would be, even if that's a 15 years down the road deal. Like, we're not all that far away from that. No. And we also don't know, like when we turn on our TV, how are we going to watch these games in 10 years? Well, one place we may be watching them, Amazon Prime. So if you watch NFL, you've already been watching Thursday night games on Prime. But now you can watch college games. Duke Basketball has reached a deal with Prime Video.

they're going to have three games on prime for the next three years. And these are all non-conference games. But they're pretty good non-conference games. So you've got Duke Yukon. That's in Vegas. You got Duke, Michigan from Madison Square Garden in December. And then you got Duke in Zaga in Detroit in February. So Duke will take a break from ACC play sort of like this year when they played Michigan and Washington.

And they'll go play Gonzaga in Detroit. Detroit, by the way, is where the final four is next season. So those are going to be on Amazon Prime, not on ESPN, not on a broadcast network, but on a streamer. And we have wondered, Ari, over and over and over again, when will a Prime video or a Netflix come into college football? Because Peacock doesn't really count, right? Because Peacock is NBC, right? So that doesn't count. Right.

Right. So the thing I don't understand, and maybe you can walk me through this and the listener, I'm sure, would probably be confused with the same thing, is what gives Duke the right to step away from its ACC obligations and be able to negotiate its own television situation? We're going to have to find that out. I'm guessing, I mean, obviously the ACC is on board with this room. It wouldn't be happening. And this may be part of the ACC's play to help itself. you know, stay in business, where they're saying, go out and, you know, get your own money, or, you know, find ways to make as much revenue as you can, so you want to stay here. I just don't understand how it's committed.

These are non-conference games, so they don't, they aren't part of the ACC contract. They're neutral site games. They're not taking place on Duke's campus, so they're not part of the ACC contract. I thought that all television contracts encompassed all the games. No, they encompass the games on your campus. You can make a separate deal for a non-conference game.

No, a conference game, no. All conference games are part of the deal. So if Michigan football decided they wanted to play Miami football in a non-conference game, they could sell their individual rights to somebody if they wanted to play in Atlanta? They do. Those are negotiated. Okay. Now, I don't think the Big Ten would let Michigan do something like that. and necessarily sell it to ESPN without offering it to Fox first.

Or like, you know, or they do one game one year that's on ESPN, another game that's on Fox the next year or something like that. But yeah, you can do that. So we've been wondering when this happens. And it's, you're seeing in the NFL, like this is where the politicians are now getting out for the NFL because they're saying there's too many different services that you have to have to watch everything. And I'm very curious to see what happens in college football going forward as these different deals expire because, one, the NFL is raising its prices on CBS.

They're going to raise their prices on Fox. They're going to raise their prices on ESPN. Those are coming. There's an opt-out clause in the NFL media rights deals that lets them renegotiate those. The first one's going to be CBS because they had an ownership change. So it triggered it early. but they're also going to turn the screws on Fox and they're also going to turn screws on on Disney slash ESPN.

Somebody may lose the ESPN or may lose the NFL and need more college football. Somebody may sell their college football to keep the NFL. So we may see some of this get changed around. We may see Prime Video hop in on college football. We may see Netflix hop in on college football at that point. Yeah, my dad was actually complaining to me the other day about how he can't keep up because he was wanting to watch the NBA playoffs. The NBA playoffs is really frustrating now because it's on NBC, ESPN, and Prime. And he's like, I can't keep up with all the places that I have to keep up with to watch these games.

Last night was a great example. If you wanted to watch the Magic and the Pistons, that was on Prime. But if you wanted to watch the Cavs and the. the calves and the Raptors, that was on ESPN. That was on TV, yeah. And then LA Houston, the Houston Lakers game was on ESPN after that. So, like, you couldn't talk, like, you could toggle between, but then you couldn't, the two games were on the same time,

which was the Raptors and the calves and the magic and the, and the pistons. You couldn't have the multi-box. Yeah. Yeah. Like, but it is kind of, and like, I think that that's probably, like, I'm not coming down on my dad because he's a boomer, but like I think that it's harder for people of that generation to do it. But I think it's annoying for young people to do it.

I was going to say, I'm I love technology. I'm a gadget guy. I get frustrated as hell when I have to hit the home button on my TV and then go find another app. The consumer does even know where it is. Like I'm like, oh, I was like last night. I was like, I want to watch the Pistons game right now. Yeah. And I turned on my television and went to YouTube TV to find it.

And I was like, where is the name? I was like, oh, it's not there. And I had to like Google, where is this game being played? and it was like Amazon Prime and then I had to switch over to Amazon. So like it's just you have to, but I just wonder if like in 10 years that's just going to be life

and people are used to it. Somebody's got to come up with the better remote control or the better smart TV that lets you has a next button that takes you from I'm watching this game on YouTube TV or Sling or whatever.

You know, your more traditional cable type operation. and I hit the last channel button and it automatically opens the game on Prime or Netflix. Yeah, which is funny because a lot of times navigating that is easier, Andy, because like when you click on Amazon Prime, the first thing you see when Amazon Prime video opens. There's a lot of game going on. It's the first thing.

But if we get to a place where there's a bunch of games on streaming, it might be harder to navigate too because it's not just getting out of the app and going into the other app. It's where is it once I get into this app. Yeah. Like, you know, sometimes I have a bunch of games. a hard time like Britt and I watch a bunch of shows before bed. And it's like, well, what, we're what, well, you want to watch the next episode of this show?

Oh, well, what app is it on? Oh, yeah. Okay. Once you get into that app, is it going to be displayed? Is it continue watching or I've got to go find where it is or Google? Half the time, like they don't even design the app well. The app suck. Yeah.

It could be, it could be a show that you've watched the first four episodes of the season. And you've, you've watched them on the day they dropped. Like the AI and the app should figure out the first. I want to watch this. Serve up to you is that that show. Yeah. You got to go like five screens down to find it. And the thing that's annoying is like on Netflix, it shows you at the top, continue watching.

But then on prime, you've got to scroll down past drama, you know, comedy. And Apple TV is bad about that and Peacock's bad about that. And Paramount Plus is bad about that. Yeah. I mean, I think that like muscle memory is a huge part of technology, too. It's like when you're a kid, you push the button, you know what button. Yeah. You do the same thing over and over again.

but everything's there. And I know that this is small potatoes. But it's also a financial burden, too, because if you're subscribed to YouTube TV, it's now as expensive as it used to be to get cable. And then on top of it, you have to subscribe to seven other different things that are $12 a month.

And it's actually a little point now where it's more expensive than cable ever was. We added my mother-in-law of my Netflix subscription. We pay $41 a month for Netflix now. I know. It's insane. I know. And Amazon Prime thing's interesting

because their business models, different. Like, they're not doing this because they want to get Bafo ratings. They're doing this because they want to advertise products to you that you can one-click buy on Amazon as you watch. It's actually pretty crazy how like you'll be like, here's a Swiffer vacuum. You want to buy it? Click. Boom. It's coming to you. Yeah, there's a QR code on the screen. It'll open the Amazon app on your phone and you can with one-click buy it. So it is really important for them to gather new viewers. I think that they do studies on how much more you spend on Amazon if you subscribe to Prime.

So, like, that's why the sports are valuable to them because if they get you in the Prime ecosystem, you're probably just going to spend a lot more money with them. Do most people have Prime automatically just because of the shopping experience, right? And then you just get Amazon Prime TV as part of it. Like I had Amazon Prime before streaming because I like the two-day shipping deal or the next, like when I buy something on Amazon, it's either coming the day I buy it or the next day. And like that to me is huge. So, but yes, they're all very different business strategies, different platforms. Some have ads.

Some don't. It is a lot for the consumer, especially one that was not really technology driven, which is a lot of America. Yeah. It is, it's going to be interesting to see if any of these jump in. But again, we're going to have to wait and see what the NFL does before we find out if college football is going to wind up on these things. It feels like Prime and Netflix have been happy with their NFL experience so far. I think the actual broadcasts on Prime have been good. Like they've done a really good job with the Rathaway Night.

And I also think that once you got into the rhythm of knowing, well, the Thursday night game is on prime, it became easier to navigate. Like, once you knew, all you have to do is open up your prime app and it's there. Like, there is like, again, muscle memory when it comes to what day of the week is it? What game is on? What time is it start and where is it? Like, you get into the rhythm. It's like, the thing that's confusing is that if you want to watch the Cavs play in the playoffs, they might be on ESPN one game and they might be on Peacock the next day and they might be on Amazon.

And you don't know what network it's on the day the game. Right. That's the frustrating thing for me. And I think probably will get frustrating for college fans, too. And the same thing. It's already hard enough to catch up on all college football. There's so many. And like those college basketball games,

you could pretty reliably know they were going to be on ESPN. Now there's occasionally games on CBS and Fox and NBC have a few now. But it's mostly in one place. It's going to get more confusing now because if Duke did this, somebody else is going to do this too. For sure. There's probably a lot of money on that. Well, just the tip of the iceberg, I think.

And so get used to it. That is something we've talked about. And it's interesting because I've had people say, well, they're never going to actually do it. They're never going to, we know they're going to do it now. So get ready. Amazon's coming. Netflix is coming. Ari, speaking of the past and future.

Nick Saban was on with Paul Feinbaum on Wednesday and seemed to be nostalgic for the past, but it was very interesting argument he had. So let's hear Nick Saban on Feinbaum. You know, I like the fact that some programs have been able to improve because of the circumstance, but I also think there should be some equilibrium. You know, one team shouldn't have a $40 million roster, and another team have a $5 million roster and they're out there playing each other.

So there should be some kind of, I mean, every league, NFL, basketball, everybody, hockey, they all have a salary cap or something that creates parity in the league so everybody has an equal opportunity to win. That's not true. Well, they also have drafts, which I don't think Nick Saban would have enjoyed very much when he coached Alabama. Well, baseball doesn't have a salary cap either. Baseball does not have a salary cap.

Neither is soccer. but I just find it hilarious because if you replace $40 million roster with, you know, three dozen five-star recruits and $5 million roster with zero five-star recruits, don't you have most Alabama games when Nick Saban coached there? It's funny because I wrote a column about this. It's currently being edited. I don't know whether it'll be out by the time the show comes out or tomorrow. But can I read you some statistics from this column that I wrote, Andy, that you.

Sure, yeah, yeah. You know when the aggregate exists, but I have the actual numbers. So Nick Saban was at Alabama for 13 years, right? Mm-hmm. He was longer than 13 years, but yeah. Yeah, he was there longer than 13 years, but okay. Guess how many draft picks he had. Oh, my God.

Do you know in total how many he had? No. 133. It's pretty good. Pretty good. Do you know how many of those players were top 10 selections in the draft? How many? 19.

Oh, boy. That's a lot. Do you know how many of them were first round picks? 40. 47. Oh, my God. So he's going to argue that he developed those guys. Of course he did.

The thing is that I don't want to present these stats as a way to undermine. mind the man's greatness during the time he was his raw material was a little bit better and now he'll he'll say we were all operating under the same rules but i guarantee you if we talk to the coach at troy at the same time like if if no neil brown who coaches uh north texas right now he coached troy when saving was in alabama i guarantee you even though they were under the same rules neil brown didn't feel like he could recruit same players okay so i'm also going to um he's there at 17 seasons, not 13. Yeah, yeah.

But if you do the math on 133 draft picks in 17 years, you're basically up at eight or nine, 10 players per draft. It's great. It's a big one. Okay. Yeah. So here's the other thing about it, too. There might not be rosters back in his day that were $40 million

rosters like we have right now. But recruiting budgets, resources, facilities, geographic footprint, and coaching salaries, both head coaches and assistants, have never been equal. Every time Alabama team stepped out on the field against an opponent during his coaching tenure, it felt like a $40 million roster going against a $5 million roster, even within his own conference. Yeah.

So. But here's what's interesting. Nick Sabin retired when he did because he knew that even $40 million wouldn't buy you any of his rosters now. You couldn't afford one of his rosters with 40 million bucks right now. You don't have to read my column when it comes out everyone. I know it's terrible promotion, but Andy is just reading it line for line and he hasn't read it yet. But like Nick Saban still be the coach right now. So here's the two things that kind of annoy me. One is it's contradictory to what makes him great. Right. He existed in a place and time where parity was probably at its

lowest. I think you can make the case that the modern recruiting era in college football was the featured the least amount of parody of any other and there's never been parity let's get that straight the least amount during that time and and maybe i don't know you can compare it to like before scholarship limits maybe there were teams that had 150 players on it when other teams had 60 and it wouldn't have been fair um but there's that one side of it and the other side too is that you're saying that you want this in the name of parody and you're ignoring the fact that we have arrived at it through this system you want to change like that's is the other thing that is like so insane to me.

And Chris Lowe texts us something that was crazy, but he sent us a tweet that shows you the teams that had the most losing seasons since 2000. And in that tweet, the teams with the most losing season since 2000 were Indiana, Kansas, Vanderbilt, Colorado, Illinois, and Duke. Okay, those are the top six. Duke just won the ACC. Indiana just won the national title. Illinois has won 19 games in the last two years,

which is the best two-year run in program history. And Vanderbilt has its first 10th win season in the history of the program. Like, what is it that is the problem that we're fixing here? And like the thing that is crazy to me is you cannot have a conversation about who should be the commissioner of college football without Nick Sabin's name being brought up. Nick Saban was a part of the focus group that Donald Trump made in the White House college sports. My question to you is, what does Nick Saban actually think and want?

Like, you can't go on television and on radio shows and, like, be nostalgic for the past. You have to have, like, an actual vision. If you do want a salary cap, then why? And you have to also acknowledge that you have arrived already through the Wild Wild West of NIL at the destination that you're pretending to care about, all while never caring about it when you were dominating everybody for 17 years of Bama. It's insane. The whole thing is just hearing him say it is insane.

And I love the guy. He was so good. A political, Ari. And he would like Alabama to have a chance to dominate again. He is so good of a coach that he has managed to do the most impossible thing in the world, which is to get everybody in college football to agree that he's the best. Like, think about that. Everybody, it's the most disagreeable group of people.

in the history of the world, maybe outside of Republican Democrat. I don't know, you can debate. It's similar. But we all agree he's the greatest. But if you were going to be the spokesman for our sport and you are going to be involved in these Donald Trump committees and your voice is going to be heard, I think you need to sharpen your viewpoints.

Because you're contradicting yourself in your own argument. Earlier on in that clip that River sent or that we played, he said, well, the cool thing about it is that teams now are having more success than ever before. And it's like, stop. That's it. Like that's it. You said it. Like it just,

it blows my mind. And he's smart. He's successful. He's handsome. He's the greatest thing that's ever happened. I like the guy. But sometimes he says stuff and it's just like, are you thinking this through?

Well, no, because he's thinking about it. Like he's still in Tuscaloosa. He still likes Alabama. I mean, like he's very grateful to Alabama for everything he did for him. And I do think.

I do think this doesn't help Alabama. This makes it harder to do what he did at Alabama. Yeah, you said politics are local, and it's like, I was going to ask you, does that mean that you think that Alabama would be better off serving in an environment where there was a salary cap? It's a good question.

I don't even think that that helps Bama. Bama is still... Because remember, Bama was dominating in an uncapped environment. It's just the cap was on what you could pay players. There was no cap on what you could do with the rest of your money, And they spent more than everybody else. So they might not be able to keep up from a spending standpoint with certain teams that were once. But it's still the same team spending the most that were the most dangerous to them at the time.

Right. So I think the fact. If you still have to spend it wisely, we had Kurt Signetti on the show last week. You can't. They didn't spend the most. They won the national title. When he speaks, I think of a person who was nostalgic for the past trying to get the toothpaste back into the tube. Yeah.

And I think that even the solutions that he's coming up with or the opinions that he's deriving based on the desire to get the toothpaste back of a tube would not get the toothpaste back of the tube. Yeah. Well, now we're in a system where Missouri can lose Kiwan Lacey to Ole Miss, but go find a running back at Louisiana Monroe named Amad Hardy who dominates in the SEC, who helps them win a bunch of games, who, by the way, is awesome and we're about to talk to him. But if you don't know, Amad Hardy already. Incredible season last year at Missouri, after a really good freshman year at Louisiana Monroe. Also, just an incredibly fun dude. He grew up in Mississippi. He grew up around horses.

He's now with NIL become a multiple horse owner. Lots of horses, are he? And he's buying him, he's selling them. he's got the hay bill knows about the good hay yeah alfalfa and the hay is C4 for horses this is what we learned in our interview today

but 256 carries for 1,649 yards and 16 touchdown 6.4 yards per carry last year at Missouri dominant season for Ahmaud Hardy he's planning on running it back with the tigers others reached out he's stuck with Mazoo here is We are joined now by one of the best running backs in college football, Amad Hardy, back for

year two with the Missouri Tigers. And Ahmad, when you transferred from Louisiana in Roe, did you have any idea that you were about to take the SEC by storm? No, sir, not really, but I knew I was going to give it my best. You know, and that's how it turned out. Is it ever shocking to you how quickly you? you go from transfer that was under the radar to every single person who watches college football knowing who you are? And what was that transition like for you?

It was kind of crazy, but you know, you can't look at all the hype. So, you know, I just kept putting in working then, you know, after the season, I was like, dang, like I really did this, but, you know, it's still work to put in. Well, that's what you, you were one of our other guys talked to you for a story a few weeks ago. And you said there were people who reached out, who reached out to your agent, And you said, hey, no, no, I'm good here at Missouri. What was it about that experience last year at Missouri that made you so determined that this is the place you're going to be? I believe this was the best position for me.

And also the brotherhood of the guys that was here, you know, I wanted to stay with the guys. And, you know, I really didn't have no other reason to leave, you know what I'm saying? They took care of me last year. They taken care of me this year. So I really didn't have no reason to leave. When you make a decision like that, you're obviously making it for yourself. But obviously there's a loyalty factor there that fans take into account and stuff. Have you felt an appreciation or a difference from the love that you're getting from

Missou and their fans? And how much do you think, you know, having a place to call home forever will benefit you after college after making this decision? I mean, when I transfer it in, they show love immediately, you know, because, you know, I rode horses and things like that. So they already liked that because it was done. different. And then, you know, this year, they showing even more love because of how I played last year. So, you know, you know, my fans just been there since day one and, you know, I appreciate

them. Let's talk about the horses because you, you've got, you said before we started, how many do you have now? Like, how many horses do you currently have? I have about, like, probably like 12. Wow. And how did that, how did, like, because I know you, I read the story. grandfather gave you a horse when you were 12 years old. But how did you wind up getting so many more? And like, these are special horses. Like they're gated horses. They move a certain way.

Like, what do you specialize in? Well, when I first got here, I think I had like two or three horses, you know, my first year. And as the year went, I got some more, you know, you know, NIL helped me out right down. So I got some of horses. And I just like the ride, quality to ride, getaway. And when I go back home, you know, I kind of show them a little bit.

I race them, you know, win trophies, things like that. So you're talking about back home in Mississippi. When did you learn to ride? Was that something that, you know, you had like a grandparent, parent taught you how to do when you were very, very young? My grandpa said I was around when I was like four or five years old. And I told him, I ain't been riding a horse, you know. So he showed me a picture of me and him in the arena. He had won an award.

And then as I got older, I always said I wanted the horse. And when I got about 11 or 12, I got me a horse, the horse that he still got. And that's how I learned how to ride horse. You know what I love about NIL, Andy? Whenever you ask somebody, what do you want to do with your NIL money or what would be a perk of getting NIL, the answer is different? This is a first for me. Can you tell me a little bit more about what it goes into taking care of a horse, like, Are they all together?

Are they in stables? Like I, this is so foreign to me, but I'm very fascinated by it. Yes, I got some down here in Columbia. I got three down here in Columbia. I got a cup in Louisiana, some in Texas. But, you know, you basically just, you don't have to warm a horse number, like, once every six months. Or if you ride pretty regularly, you warm them every three months. But other than that, they just need hay and water every day.

And you can throw some feed in and have wanted to, but they're in the field. You just give them hay and water, and you'll be good. What's your, what's your hay bill these days? What do you, what do you drop it on hay a month? I really don't know, it's just like a big tab, you know, I got them at stable, but I usually get regular hay, but when I ride, I get out falfa that kind of like,

it's like a pre-workout, you know, they spook them up a little bit, so, you know. I had no idea of horses had pre-workout, hey, that is incredible. Okay, I want to ask you this, because I heard you say this, it may have been last year, that part of your recovery sometimes after games is you'll like to ride on a Sunday or a Monday. One, how does coach drink feel about that? And two, does it help you kind of recover from the games? Well, the first recovery is right after the game, a lot of guys don't do it, but I do it. Right after the game, I go in the cold tub.

I wait to my neck for like two or three minutes. The weekend, yeah, I get back on the horse. It kind of, you know, when you first get on a horse, if you ain't rode in a long time, your legs will be hurting for a while, and then eventually it'll stop. And then I guess your legs get stronger. But I looked it up, you know, at the equine and things like that,

you know, disabled kids, they put them on horses, you know, and try to get their sprint back in their legs. So that might be a thing, you know, with my battles or something like that, a lot of people say, but, you know, I just like quality around my horse. horse. So obviously there's some physical nature to it. I wrote a horse once in Cabo, Ahmad, and it was on the beach. And it was like on vacation with my wife. And watching me getting on and off that thing was quite the adventure for her. And I'm surprised we're still

together. But is there a mental aspect of it where you're just kind of unwinding? You're out there with your thoughts, kind of in, you know, in the country. Is there some of that to it too? Yeah, so when I get on my horses, like I forget about everything, like football, just like my happy space. You know, when I get on the horse back, you know, I like the quality to the smooth ride and the horse listen to me. It's like a bun. And, you know, it's just like I'm in the middle of nowhere, like I'm in space and, you know, everything. Probably once I get back off, I get back into the world. But other than that, dude.

Amad, when you become a pro bowl running back one day. because I think you will. Do you strike yourself as somebody who would want to, like, buy property in Montana or Wyoming and, like, live on a ranch and tend to horses? And, like, does this, like, who you think you are, like, away from football? Yes, sir, but I'll probably buy in Mississippi. That'll be my retirement place to live. And I know it's some land out there.

And it's probably cheap, too, you know, so give me some land out there. And build me a born and probably a cabin or something. That's why I live once I'm done with football and all that. It's so funny because I remember talking to Ed Oliver, his defense attack with the bills now when he was playing in college at Houston. So he grew up around horses and all he wanted to do was create like basically a redneck theme park. And he wanted horses. He wanted four wheelers.

He was already telling me about like the waivers he'd make his NFL teammate sign to say they didn't get injured at his place. But like you. talk about your dream spot when when you were a kid growing up could you ever have imagined that that'd be within reach uh it was always a dream you know you always dream but um far as football you know when you put in the work your dreams come true so you know you can't just dream you got to go after it and um like you said like ed oliva and those guys i um i know of ed oliva but i i know devon white mostly you know yeah yeah oh yeah ls you yeah i'll talk to devon here and there but Yeah, it was all the dream until, you know, I made it come true.

So, you know, just, you know, believe in my dream and scribe after. And then if you do that, you know, you can get what you want. So you mentioned your balance that you think the writing helps your balance. That is one of the best parts of your game. And I'm wondering, when you're watching film and you see yourself taking a shot and then, you know, somehow managed to skid like three yards, but stay up and then run for five more yards. Do you surprise yourself sometimes? Well, first of all, I don't need to be taking all them hits. So, yeah, I need to try not to try to keep trucking people and things like that,

switch my game up. But I think the South Carolina game would really amaze me, you know, when I was on my back and then I came off the pack and scored a touchdown. But most of the times, you know, because when you get hit out there, you know, it's just like a, it's like for a second, you can feel it. But you feel everything out of the game, but, you know, you're adrenaline and rushing, so you don't know what you can get yourself into. You know, you just play until you can't play no more.

Tell me about the upside of this Missouri team. You've been there now for a year. You did really, really well. What do you feel like the upside is for Missouri football in 2026? It'll be the brotherhood, you know, every year is different. guys and different transfers and things like that. You know, and I think this team coming along real fast, you know, a lot of guys connecting and we all, we all doing a lot of good things, you know, we work out and we have personal

best records that we have, you know, during the offseason. And a lot of guys are beating their records and things like that and putting things on taping and on the field. So I feel like that, you know, this team coming along pretty fast and we're going to be playing together and we're trying our best to win the championship. So another guy that is getting a ton of attention right now is Caden Green. What's it like to have that guy blocking for you? Who will want him blocking for him?

So, you know, he's a big guy. He's moving. He's working on a lot of things this year, you know, as far as his steps and blocking and things like that. But I think he's a great player, a big guy, strong hands, got his feet under him. So I think he's doing pretty good. And he's just making himself better. and the guys around him.

And he comes to play and win the championship just like the rest of the team. Do you have any good Eli Drinkwood stories? Because he's a very fascinating guy. Like, is there any... Give us a story. Oh, I don't know if I got one. He just always joking with me, man.

Like, I got his fishing pole at my house right now. I went fishing with him one time, and I think he was in his Maybag or something like that. He put the fishing pole on my house. my truck. Like what you want me to do with this? And he just put it on my truck. And I take it home. And he still haven't got it. He still haven't got his pole. I don't know what he doing. Well, I said it came to get a fishing pole. You're a bass fisherman, right? So. Yes, sir. I caught a crappy the other day. I want to learn how to kiss crappy. But other than I

know how to catch Brimman bass, but I catfish too. I caught a catfish also. How's Eli as a fish? I mean, he grew up in Arkansas. Like, I would think he's pretty good at it. When we went, when we went fishing in his neighborhood, he called, I think he called like two or three. He was catching some, too. I was like, I asked him when he was using and he was like, don't worry about it. Oh, we want to tell you what bait he uses? Dang. Well, I think you keep his fishing pole.

Like, you got NIL, but he's doing it right, too. He can buy another fishing pole. Yeah. You know, you guys, it's interesting because, like, you came in last year. here. Everybody welcomed you. The Caden, who we just mentioned, came from Oklahoma and everybody welcomed him. How do you guys help Austin Simmons, who came from Ole Miss last year and is going to be your new starting quarterback? How do you guys help him adjust the offense?

You know, first is just building that bond, getting to know each other, you know, see what each other like and things like that. And then when it comes to the business side as far as football, you know, try to break down tendencies and things like that, you know, short words and short plays, try to give him some clues and things like that. But, I mean, Austin, a smart guy himself. So, you know, I think he got a down pack. He's a fast learner, you know. He got good legs and he got a strong arm.

So, I mean, he learning pretty fast. If not he'll be telling us what to do in the next month or so, so, you know, I don't think he need too much teaching. We had him on the show last year, and he'd already gotten his bachelor's degree. He was like 19 years old. It makes you feel like a failure. Yeah. And it would have been really cool to see, you know, what Austin could do long term there last year.

So it seems like a pretty big step in the right direction for Missouri football to have them there. So what's the next step of mine? Like how do you handle spring? Spring's done. You got a summer. You have a season that you guys are very excited about. What do you all have to do between now and when you start playing to have the kind of season you want to have? I believe we just got to go to work.

And, you know, guys got to stay healthy. You know, don't do crazy things over the break that we're going to. don't get coming up and just stay fit. And when we come back, you know, go back to work. I think, you know, a lot of guys and a lot of teams, you know, they go home in the summer and they do crazy things. And, you know, we always talk here, you know, the Missouri never leave your chest in the front

and your last name never leave the back of your jersey. So, you know, I think it's just, you know, go to work and make smart decisions because what you do today affect how you live the next day. So, you know, just do the right thing and keep putting in working. You know, work is going to tell for itself. Can't get in trouble riding a horse on the trail, right? No, no so. So first time guests, we always ask the same question before we end, Amad.

What's your rule for life? What rule do you live by every day? Well, it probably didn't change because, you know, I got a son now. So it's probably, you know, be the best example I can be each and every day and do the right thing at all times. And, you know, I could, you know, And that plays a part in a lot of stuff, you know, because if you're always doing the right thing or trying

or trying your best to do the right thing, you know, what could possibly happen, you know, you have freak accident and things like that. But if you doing the right thing, you know what I'm saying, whether it is hanging around the right people or, you know, being at home and you should be at home, you know, not being out all night. So, you know, just doing the right thing at all times

and describing to be the best I can be. I love it. I, it's interesting. when you first have a kid, that the idea of this person, this human being is relying on me, man. It changes, changes everything, doesn't it? Yes, sir.

Well, good luck, Ahmad. Thank you so much and have fun. Yes, sir, thank you. Thanks for being here. Yes, sir, thank y'all. Bad job by us, Ari. We did not ask him when he was on the air what his horse's names were,

but he's got a ton of horses. So we got black magic, cool train, bye-bye baby, red ice, Miss Kate, no name. And we asked, we said, what, what, what's the name? And he said, her name is no name. It's electric. Tone setter. I like tone setter. Yeah.

You know, being a homeowner back in the day used to be the thing. But now if you're a horse owner, you're really rolling like that. Lots of horses. Yeah. 12 horses is a financial commitment. He's also got an NIL deal with a saddle store in Mississippi, which is just awesome. Yeah, he also sells horses, too. So I think like this could be a little bit of a mini business.

Very impressive young man and very good running back. And the one thing that I tried to get to in the interview, and he was humble enough to not go down that road. But my number one thing with him is the fact that he could have maybe gotten more money from somewhere else or gone to a place that is viewed as a more traditional national championship contender, and he opted to stay. And I thought that his answer, though, brief, uh in that interview was also really cool to hear which is why would i have to leave they took care

of me last year they're taking care of me this year um you know i i i think that that's how people you know maybe back in the day when everybody was connected to every recruit that put on the hat at a high school ceremony maybe those days are gone but i still think that you can find connections this guy didn't enroll at mazoo out of high school but if you want to talk about who a the zoo tiger is that's the guy you know yeah yeah because he he could have gone i mean literally could have gone anywhere yeah we talked about like when when john somerall took over at florida everybody coming after jaden bah and he wound up staying at florida amont hardy same thing like everybody would have been deliriously happy to have amod hardy in their backfield it just might

be different now andy it's like you know those who come will be part of you forever what about it maybe it's now those who stay will be yeah yeah well post shimbuckler said that back of the day He did. Those who stay will be champions. All right, Ari. It is time for our favorite game. We've not played it yet this week. I'm terrified.

Yeah, you asked the questions last week. It's my turn to ask the questions this week. It is another edition of Who Am I? Who am I? Who am I? There you go, Derek Zoolander. All right. This, of course, is a fairly recent college football player.

I hope so. I think most people know. But, well, before we start, what are my odds of getting this? You're going to get this. Okay. If you get to my last clue, you're, you better get this. Okay. Okay.

I made a tackle for loss in my first football as a high school freshman. Okay. That doesn't mean anything because, like, lots of guys play both sides of the ball. So maybe he plays defense now. Maybe he doesn't. That's just like a, yeah, your first clues are like, I know less now than I did before we started, but let's keep going. My first scholarship offer came in 10th grade from the college program that I wound up playing for. Okay.

This one I might give it away. I think there'll be people who can answer it with this one. Okay. I was the number two overall recruit in the class of 2016. Okay. Go ahead. I'm going to give a lot more away here. I set a school record at my college for sacks by a freshman.

Is it Rishon Gary? No, it is not, but that's a good guess. Not Risholingary. Okay. Next clue. One year for Halloween, I dressed as the pink Power Ranger. Who else was in Rishon Gary's class? That's the clue I'm latching on to.

I don't know how I would know who he was for Halloween. Was Dexter Lawrence one of them? Dang it! You got it. You can't give me, you may have a, you made a little. a mistake. You cannot give me recruiting rankings that early. That's probably, I figured, now, every Clemson fan guessed it with the Pink Power Ranger,

because every Clemson fan knows which member of that defensive line was which Power Ranger in 2016. I think I, in the back of my brain, I'm remembering that now. But if that would have been your first clue, I'd have been like, what? Like, I'm going to read you the other clues. so when we put the game together for social, everybody gets all the clues so you can figure out how many clues it takes you.

I ran a 5.05 second 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine at 342 pounds. My college team won two national titles in the three years I was there. The first word of my nickname is sexy. I just got traded to the Cincinnati Bengals in exchange for a first round pick. So you'll get Dexter Lawrence if you get through all those clues. But that was very good, Ari. I'm impressed. Yeah.

Once you told me the recruiting ranking, like all your clue, I didn't even hear the other clues. I was just trying to think who was up there with Rashon Gary was. Because I remember I covered Rashon Gary's recruitment very closely that year because he was a high profile kid from Jersey. I actually went out to Jersey. And where did Dexter Lawrence grow up to? He was a North Carolina, which is not actually in Winston-Salem.

It's closer to Raleigh. Yeah. But I think that I would have gotten that one, and I appreciate you taking it semi-easy on me this time. So, very fun game, but I can't wait to get you on the ropes next week. Yeah. Now, you got me down the road with Blake Bortles. But Dexter Lawrence, by the way, just an incredible college football. He's still great in the NFL.

Like, there's a reason why the Bay. singles were willing to trade the number 10 pick in the draft for him. And he's still so good, but he was an immediate impact player. Like, jumped in, started immediately as a freshman on a national championship team. And I got to tell you, like, I did a big story on that group of defensive linemen going into his junior year. He was so delightful to talk to about, because he was the one who told all the good stories, who told all the jokes and like he he was so much fun so i am uh i'm glad you got him

speaking of costumes by the way because he was the pink power ranger and i think listen you got to be a pretty secure man to be the pink power ranger yeah especially when you weigh 340 pounds let me tell you Andy no one's coming up to the Halloween party you're talking shit i'll tell you that right now speaking of costumes random ranking tomorrow mascots in college football. Costume. Not live mascots. So, uh,

handsome Dan. You're talking about there has to be a human in it. Yes. Okay. The human, either a human in a full suit or a human who is dressed up. Yeah.

Like the Notre Dame Shamrock guy. He is just wearing a top hat, but he, no, no, we can include him too if you want. But it's your, the mass rider.

at Texas Tech. You can include that person. I don't know that you will because I think you're going to have a lot of options here. That's a difficult one and we're going to probably have a large variance of it. I don't see a lot of overlap in these lists. Highly contentious coming up.

Best costume mascots. Also, dear Andy and dear Ari, get those questions in. Andy Stapleson3 at gmail.com. Ari. Dot Wasserman at on3.com. We will talk to you tomorrow.