Andy & Ari On3 - The Big Ten and SEC TAKE THE WHEEL | What will Chip Kelly do? | Senior Bowl MVP Spencer Rattler

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

The SEC and Big Ten are teaming up and we bring Jesse Simonton on to discuss the major shift in College Football(0:00-14:28) Intro - Andy and Jesse Simonton discuss the Big Ten and SEC teaming up (14:29-29:45) Also, the NCAA has responded to the lawsuit filed by the Tennessee and Virginia attorneys general. (29:46-37:12) Jesse Discusses Chip Kelly and his Future at UCLA(37:13-42:48) New Ohio State OC Bill O'Brien Discussion(42:49-46:16) College Hoops Weekend Recap - Kansas, UNC, Tennessee with BIG Wins(46:17-47:48) Senior Bowl Recap(47:49-53:47) South Carolina QB Spencer Rattler (53:48-1:01:25) Notre Dame QB Sam Hartman(1:01:26-1:04:53) Tennessee QB Joe Milton (1:04:54-1:07:52) Conclusion - Programming UpdateWant to watch the show instead? Head on over to YouTube! https://youtube.com/live/vGTBwW_jwwM

Welcome to Andy Staples on three. Happy Sunday night. Oh, things are a changing. We talked about it on Friday. If you were popping on the on demand videos on Friday, but we have not had a show since the big 10 and sec said, hold on everybody. We're taking the wheel.

We got to talk about this. Jesse Simonton on three national columnist there's a lot to digest jesse including a column just written by ross dellinger of yahoo sports where he talks about how the big 10 and the sec kind of forming their advisory group which feels like a takeover uh also may affect the college football playoff going forward. There is a lot to chew on with this, Jesse. So let's go back to Friday afternoon when the Big Ten and the SEC release a joint statement saying Tony Petitti and Greg Sankey will form an advisory group of two

that will have no official power, but probably has the power to change everything. I mean, Greg Sankey has long sat in the catbird seat of these conversations. And I think that actually, we can spin that off into an interesting Avenue as we kind of dive into this about what that means and kind of his position. But he, he and Tony Petit are the two power players in college athletics right now.

And you wrote the column that I think kind of pinpointed why this makes sense. And, and specifically why what's different now, you know, if this was Kevin Warren, these two guys aren't going to form this pseudo quote unquote alliance. Yeah. That was not a relation that they should have andy they should have used the a word because it

would have been funny if they had leaned into it it would have actually been even funnier no this time it's actually an alliance yeah but years ago kevin warren and sankey were were never going to sit down and play Littlefinger and what's his name, the other guy on Game of Thrones, kind of form this interesting union. Petiti and Sankey will. Tyrion Lannister? Yes.

Tyrion's a good one. No, I'm blanking on Varys. Varys. Oh, yes. Varys, the master of whispers. Yes. Yes. Yes.

You weren't going to have those two guys come together. Now you do have Petiti and Sankey. And it certainly seems like this is them setting the table, whether they claim this organization or this little pact is going to actually have power. It seems to be setting the table that the two biggest power players from the two biggest power conferences are going to dictate what the future of college athletics ultimately look like and it is going to have power because

they have the ones everybody watches i mean that tony altimoreore on Twitter did a really interesting study where he looked at the ratings for the last, I want to say, 10 years and found out that 75% of the audience is 19 teams. And it's mostly Big Ten and SEC teams. they're going to be able to dictate terms to these guys because none of the other people can function or make the kind of money they make now without the teams at the Big Ten and the SEC. Yeah, and you know what else is kind of interesting about this? And again, I think what's notable about Sankey is that he has kind of talked, I think, out of both sides of his mouth. And you kind of, again, I think, you know, noted this in your column, uh, you know, he, he's, he's said he wants to focus on kind of the big realities. He told Ross Dellinger, you brought him up. He had a, you know,

he was quoted in a column, I think on Saturday or Friday, talking about wanting to focus on the big realities of the sport. And instead of kind of the, the little individual bickering with the translation leave my teams alone NCAA well right but but the irony is is that it was just a year ago that Sankey along with every other commissioner in college football was asking the NCAA to fix NIL and to look into possible NIL penalties. So again, there has been a little both sides,

but that doesn't mean these guys can't change their mind. And I do think that's where Sankey has ultimately come down on, where he thinks the broader structure, the infrastructure, the structure of what college sports looks like has to change. And he's correct in that. So Todd in the chat, that's what the NCAA wants them to do. Hence the letter from the NCAA president suggesting they form a new

subdivision. They want to wash their hands of it and put it on the schools. That's not true, Todd, like the NCAA, the leaders of the NCAA don't want the big 10 and the sec to leave because then there's no more money for the NCAA. Like the people in charge of the NCAA

have to go find new jobs at that point because it becomes a much different organization, a much smaller organization. And it really, I mean, it becomes an event management group at that point. And the events are not that exciting. Like if you lose the Big Ten and the SEC, you also lose a lot of the,

the NCAA basketball tournament, which is very valuable. It funds the entire NCAA. So you can't, they're not trying to push them out. Trust me. They don't want to do that because that would just effectively eliminate their big fat salaries. So this is, this is what I'm wondering, Jesse is, is what is, what do you think Greg Sankey and Tony Petitti think their end game is right now? Cause I don't, I don't know if they know what it is, but I wonder if I wonder what they think it is. Well, I hope it's not asking for more congressional or governmental oversight, which Sankey – that has been to really have the government kind of, again, oversee the future of college sports. I don't think that should be, at least my opinion, I don't think that should be the way, you know, they should try to find a solution here. I would argue, and I'll see what you think on this, I would argue that they need to convince their own member institutions,

i.e. the schools, that, hey, if we want to actually solve and get around some of these issues, let's come up with a collective bargaining agreement. Let's come up with a model where the players will be contracted employees. They can then still make NIL, whether it's high school or college students independent of that, i.e. as if like you were an Olympian athlete and you wanted to go get a deal with Kellogg's. Right. Or you're LeBron and you have your Sprite deal that's independent

of your Lakers salary. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So I would think that these commissioners need to use their power to sway their member institutions that, hey, let's come up with some sort of model where your coaches want it. The just want some rules yeah they want rules so let's come up with a with a foundational system where this is as matt rule told me andy you know it this is we basically are a professionalized sport with a non-professionalized structure professionalized the sport it's okay if it's going to be minor league football people will get used to it they will still watch the games people won't even get used to it they'll just watch it because they want to see the logos on the helmets and they want to see the best players and they'll still get both exactly but but my point is is that people change their minds all the time it was 2015 that roger goodell was saying that they'll never have gambling in the NFL because it was going to break the sport.

And now we're having the damn Super Bowl in Las Vegas, you know, less than a decade later. So people will change their minds. But I think, don't you think that's where Sankey and Petitti have to get behind? They need to convince their schools that this is in the best interest for everyone. And I think it's interesting because the Big Ten has been ahead of the SEC in terms of individual schools talking about that. Because you've had Big Ten schools mention revenue sharing

going back a couple of years now. You have not heard it as much in the SEC, but it has certainly been discussed quietly in the SEC by people who are influential, by athletic directors. So it's not like this has certainly been discussed quietly in the SEC by, by people who are influential by athletic directors. So it's not like this has not been discussed. And the thing about Greg Sankey that I will point out what he said, it's very similar to what we would see from Nick Saban. We remember Nick Saban would complain about something publicly,

but behind the scenes was working to just adjust to it. However he needed to adjust to it. Right. That is Greg Sankey. Complaining publicly, whining to Congress. They were all whining to Congress. But I think behind the scenes, gaming out other scenarios. And I think this is an admission that,

okay, may not be getting what we want from Congress. Clearly, the NCAA and the other schools are not going to help us get there. So we're going to have to drag everybody there. I think that's what they're saying. And that should be the avenue they take. And I, and, you know, I, again, I think some folks are going to be nervous about, Oh, is this, are we destined to go to, you know, this, these two conference super league and whatever. I actually think if Petiti and Sankey can convince all these member

institutions to get behind some sort of, you know, again, model where the players are compensated as employees and there is a cba uh and you know you have some sort of union i do think you know the top schools in the acc you would have almost everybody in the quote-unquote what what did you rename them the big and call the core four that one that one the poll core four is your winner all right core four so the big and rich is going to lead the way yes that's correct sec and big 10 and right, core four. So the big and rich is going to lead the way. Yes, correct. That's SEC and Big Ten. And then the core four, I think the rest of the core four would get behind it

because the one issue that people never bring up with the whole Super League is that you're going to have a lot of schools taking losses, and, you know, a lot of losses. And they don't want to have all those losses. And so if more team, if you can kind of keep it with as many teams that are still in this pool, as you have right now, the Kentucky's and,

and you know, Dukes of the world can still make bowl games. And when, you know, eight games a year where their fans at least feel like, Hey, we got our money's worth. You lose eight,

nine games a year. Suddenly you don't feel that way. Dion in the chat. NCAA refused to get its act together. We have a lot to clean up. So hopefully the two conferences won't further ruin football than it already is. It's not ruin. I'm sick of this.

Honestly. Stop it, people. We see the ratings. You like it better now. Stop pretending we're stupid. Stop pretending that you're stupid. You like this better. You may say you don't, but your actions suggest you do. So just stop it. Now, if they get their act together, there will not be unlimited free agency but there will still be movement yeah dion he says i hate it stfu dion it's 8 12 p.m eastern time on a sunday night you're

watching a youtube show about college football i hate to break it to you freaking love college football so good for you it's the best for America. And thanks for watching, by the way. Yeah. I'm 62 and it's ruined. Okay, Boomer. How'd you find the YouTube show? How'd you figure out how to work the YouTube stream? You love it. You know Dion's on all the message boards getting hyped about Dylan Ray.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. You love it. to the back to the drawing board here because we do have to figure out what they're going to do and the thing that i find interesting jesse is there's so many different ways to play at this ross i mentioned ross just had a story about the college football playoff like if they really want to flex, they just can just mess with the college football playoff structure, which, by the way, is not set post 2025. If they really wanted to do something drastically soon, they could do that and by the way i believe it's the only as you said the ncaa is going to be really good at putting on uh events no one really watches that's also the only championship that the ncaa has no control over right correct correct but apparently the pack two has control that's

the best part like right now the holdup on the format for what will be the college football playoff this coming season is that Kirk Schultz, the president of Washington state is, will not give the two packs vote that remember it's not the pack 12 anymore. It's the two pack will not give the two packs vote to give the unanimous vote so they can approve the format until they are guaranteed voting rights past 2025, which of course nobody wants to give them because right now they've only got two schools. Two schools, but they got two proud institutions, Andy, that are fighting the good fight. They're trying to keep West Coast football alive and well.

Well, I think they could form a fine conference there. If they merge with the Mountain West, that could be a fun football conference. But in terms of the college football playoff, in terms of big-time college football, that's not the same thing. And if you're the big 10 in the sec, you're looking at this going, look at this crap. This is what we have to deal with.

This is why we have to start making the decisions. Yeah. And, and Sankey is looking at, you know, the, the, the back and forth that Tennessee is now,

you know, embroiled in with the NCAA and they, you know, both sides kind of shot their shot again this weekend. Saturday, the NCAA responded. Sunday, today, you know, the AGs in Tennessee and Virginia had their response. And it's just the amount of tone deafness from the NCAA is just insane. But as I've said, Andy, on multiple radio shows this week, this past week, the irony is in all this is that they're all bad actors. There's no good actors. The NCAA is the easy punching bag and, and it's clearly the big bad villain because they either, I mean,

you see what they say on Saturday and it's just so nonsensical that it's like, this, this all has to do with that too. Like all of this is interconnected. So what Jesse's talking about is, is the case where the Tennessee and Virginia. AGs have sued the NCAA basically on behalf of the University of Tennessee because the University of Tennessee is being investigated for NIL stuff.

And so they are trying to invalidate the NIL rules. There's a hearing on February 13th where if a judge were to grant a temporary restraining order, the NIL rules would be basically invalidated. And so the NCAA issued its response. Now, I did think they made one good point. You know, I don't always praise the NCAA, but I'll say they made one good point. You know that Tennessee state law also prohibits inducing recruits with NIL deals. They did point that out.

They did note that. They're like, your AG doesn't seem to notice his own state law. But that said, that said, the rest of it was not great because they went with the competitive equity argument, which they have no data to back up. And unfortunately, there's a small sample size, but there is some data to back up that since nil and the transfer

rules have changed things have gotten more competitive yeah i mean it to me it kind of it read off like a complete misunderstanding about how recruiting works yes it's like oh news flash prospects like going to better schools with nicer facilities and a greater infrastructure and better coaches. Like that, yes, that's an inducement. But that is also just like naturally how recruiting has worked since it's ever started. And I can't wait till the folks that work in Indianapolis and the NCAA realize that five-star hotels are nicer than a Motel 6 or that flying first class comes with perks. I mean, it was like Newsflash 101. that came out of the response today from the Tennessee folks, or the Tennessee AG, was basically acknowledging the reality that the only reason there's confusion about these rules, you know, in terms of the governing market and what is in it and isn't allowed for these collegiate athletes,

is because the NCAA is constantly changing, you know, the definition of these incoherent rules. They keep moving the goalposts. And that again is why we are now seeing Sankey again, you'd said this, it's, it's all tied together. And that's why Sankey and Petiti are coming together to figure out how can we best, you know, fix this problem, which is these moving goalposts.

So Dion back in the chat says right now, which is these moving goalposts. So Dion back in the chat says right now, there are no rules and anything goes. Nebraska has a half billion dollars to build a new end zone. What if Nebraska spends $500 million on buying an Addy? Well, guess what? That would make the sport more interesting because Nebraska stinks right now.

So if Nebraska stops thinking that would be a team that is not currently capable of competing, becoming able to compete, which would be interesting. Again, people keep bringing up examples of things that are not actually bad. That also isn't that they also could choose to do that. Right. Like in his. Well, they can't his, but they could, they could a week from Tuesday if the TRO gets granted. Well,

no, they could spend however much money they want on NIL. They, if they wanted to spend $500 million, they could. Well, they couldn't yet. They didn't have to raise it,

but you're right. You are. You're exactly right. And that, that the other part of that, that nobody understands is there's only a finite amount of money, like, right. And not everybody wants to give to NIL. That's it. That's my other argument against all this. And this isn't what's being argued by anybody in the court system right now,

but this is, I guarantee you something Greg Sankey and Tony Petitti are thinking of. And that is, oh, Dion asks, is that fair to the other teams? Yes, it's fair to the other teams because they could do the same thing. Also, college football has never been fair. Tough. Have a bake sale. Also, college football has never been fair. Right, exactly. There's been an inequity he's arguing on behalf of a nebraska program that literally you know i don't know how you want to say that 30 years ago

was able to get you know 50 walk-ons right and have them you know under other scholarship things that that's how they ended up building their championship. Well, the Nebraska people say that county scholarships didn't exist. So they say that's what they want to do. Okay. No, but here's what I think Greg Sankey and Tony Petitti probably are thinking of because they're getting this from their schools. The current way of funding NIL, the current way of funding player compensation,

I'm going to stop calling it NIL because that's not what it is. It's player compensation. But the current way of funding it is you're begging your fans for it. And then you're telling them they don't want to win if they don't want to give you money to do that. You should be budgeting for that yourself. Oh, yeah. That's gross. Yeah. So that bothers me. I feel bad for the fans in that sense. And I'm sure that the Greg Sankey's and the Tony patini's of the world are getting it from the ADS on the ground saying, listen, we cannot keep doing this to our fans because it's, this is turning them off. This is making them mad. And it would make me furious as a fan to hear the coach say

well you don't care enough about winning if you don't give me some money to buy a tight end yeah like no i mean i give you money exactly did you see i mean i i thought uh dan wolkin uh phrased it really well in a column last week where he was like it's the only sport or it's a sport now that has come to what if you said yo patrick mahomes you told chiefs fans if you don't give us x amount of dollars for patrick mahomes he's gonna go play for the denver broncos tomorrow i mean you know it's absurd so and that's what college football is right now. And the rules need to change to allow the schools to pay that and fund it either out of their TV money or their TV money and donations. But it doesn't need to be these two separate pots. It needs to be something that's tied in with the schools.

And I think that's what they're going to go for. I really don't think that Sankey and Petitti got together to go lobby Congress some more. I think they realized that's probably a fool's error. I think they're probably going to try to create a system that works for them, which may not work for everyone else. Maybe it won't work for everyone else, but I do think there will be plenty of other schools outside of the big and

rich that would jump on board. Well, the ACC in the Big 12 for sure. So, Ferris in the chat. Money talk. Let's say Andy is a billionaire. Alright. Sweet. Could he get a Mac school to turn in the Gonzaga of college football? There's a spot for an undefeated Mac team to get in the field of twelve every year. Alright. So, do you think I could become like Toledo sugar daddy? Let's we got to call Toledo ad Brian Blair and be like, Brian,

I'm hooking you a hundred million a year every year, or I'll just, not a hundred million. Let's what do I get? What would he shaving off an interest from a billion dollars every year? Like if I just sit it in an account or if I had like a medium growth mutual fund, like, am I shaving off 30 million a year for Toledo to just go buy some, buy a championship? I think, I think you could,

I think you could afford a little somewhere around 50 million. Okay. All right. I think you'd probably have to tell Jason, Jason candle. Hey, maybe you want to be an offensive coordinator somewhere. We will get to Jason an offensive coordinator somewhere.

We will get to Jason Campbell in a minute. Cause we do have some actual football to talk about. I'm going to have to hire a big time coach if I'm going to be winning the Mac, you know, undefeated every year. Listen, listen, Jason Candle's been up for all those jobs. It may be that he just needs the right sugar daddy, but okay. So, okay. Let's, let's spin this forward. Five years from now, what has the – I almost said alliance.

What has the partnership between the Big Ten and the SEC – Yeah. What has the partnership between the Big Ten and the SEC wrought? Will it be a Super League? Will it be a different NCAA that has a kind of subdivision at the top where there are rules, but there are also contracts and there are also, there's also maybe a CBA.

Within five years. Yes. We're barreling towards that. That's amazing. But I will say, so there's a, there's a case we've mentioned it a few times on the show and i've said this before i i tend to stay away from this on the show because i think it makes a lot of people's eyes glaze over but the reason we're talking

about this now is because it is so big and so monumental big and rich um but the the house versus the ncaa case which is basically former athletes sued the NCAA saying, hey, if you hadn't been breaking the Sherman Act before and had allowed us to get NIL payments, you would we would have made this over our careers. The settlement to that is in is potentially in the billions of dollars. The class has been certified like the NCAA says this is an extinction-level event. They have to come up with a new system to satisfy that case first, to keep people from being able to do that over and over again and just cash in on them well i and how many times can the i mean the ncaa just clearly likes get you know they whether it's charlie brown with the football i mean they like going into these court cases and just losing every time as if the alston 901 wasn't bad enough they don't have any valid arguments and and they know it so at this point they're barely even trying now we'll see what that that Tennessee and Virginia one because they don't have to grant the restraining order they could just say we'll

leave the rules as is and then we'll talk talk it through during the actual case so that'll be fine if they want to do that or they could change everything next Tuesday like yeah I was gonna say they could they could lose just like they lost to West that or they could change everything next Tuesday. Like they could, they could lose just like they lost to West Virginia, but the transfer in the transfer rules, which, which I keep pointing out, like that second transfer,

having to sit out a year after the second transfer feels like a fairly reasonable rule to me. Like that doesn't, that doesn't feel totally unreasonable. You gave somebody a free transfer. There's only four years to play. It's okay. But it lasted maybe two hours in court.

It got destroyed. And the coaches, I will say, talking to a bunch of coaches at the convention, they hate that more than almost anything. And some hate it for various reasons. Obviously, selfish reasons for roster management but then there's others you know one very prominent coach who shall not be named here because he didn't say it on the record but he really was you know concerned and talk

about talked about you know what these multiple transfers are going to do for these kids is you know academic standing and how many guys ultimately from now until you know they kind of figure out a solution to what this whole system is actually going to look like end up graduating with no degrees and are you know 28 years old have been to three or four universities and have really nothing to stand on okay poor Dion in the chat I'm not sure Dion actually watches college football so it's going to be boring if the five richest schools in America win the natty every year that's crap what the hell do you think we've been happening the last 15 years before NIL

or after NIL NIL has not changed who's winning the national championship oh I don't know that Michigan could have won it before NIL. Michigan wasn't recruiting like Ohio State or Alabama. I think they needed Ohio State and Alabama to lose a few players. If Alabama is the Alabama of

2017-ish, if they're recruiting like that, you think they'd lose to Michigan this year? I mean, but can't it just be as simple as that they didn't have a rock star quarterback? If Alabama could snap the ball, they would have beaten Michigan this year. But that's another story. But that's also an NIL thing and a transfer portal thing. Because before, they would have beaten Michigan this year. But that's another story. But that's also an NIL thing and a transfer portal thing. Because before

they would have had somebody that they could put in to snap. And they didn't. I think you got me thinking because it's like, did Michigan win? They didn't win in spite of NIL, but I don't know if they won because of it. Chris Callahan in the chat, no, because some of those Georgia players would be at Bama. Probably true. Probably true.

All right, Jesse, let's shift to football. We're going to have time to talk about this over the next few weeks. This is not going away. This is going to be something that we're talking about for the next two years, three years, four years. But we got to talk about some football you had a column on friday because they're really interesting situation we dread we we talked about a little bit on the show thursday night so chip kelly it was reported by ian rapaport of the of the nfl network that chip kelly had interviewed twice for the raiders offensive coordinator job. There was talk that maybe he was... Still open.

Right, still open. And there's a reason why. There was talk Thursday night that Chip also might be a candidate for the commander's OC job. But at the time on Thursday night, Cliff Kingsbury was about to take the Raiders job. And then on Saturday, he said, nope, not taking the Raiders job. Now he might take the commander's job. So the Raiders job is open again. Chip Kelly, Jesse, you remember late in the season.

So the week of the USC game, UCLA was coming off a loss. All these reports out of LA. Bad Arizona State loss. Yes, they lost to Arizona State. And there are all these reports out of LA that maybe there's a separation coming between Chip Kelly and UCLA and then they beat you at USC and it all dies down then they get shelled by Cal but it doesn't come back so then they win the bowl game yeah and it's like all right we survived and in hindsight they should

have fired him because now when you look at everything it has been a you referenced the column i wrote it's been they should have fired chip kelly because he clearly wants out of westwood and now the bruins are in a complete lose-lose situation. They're in a union with a coach who doesn't want to be there, but their top two targets are off the board. Jed Fish and Jonathan Smith have now taken jobs elsewhere. Those would have been easily their top two targets. Dante Moore, your five-star quarterback, is now at Oregon. You just lost your defensive coordinator who completely turned around your unit. You had one of the best defenses in the country this past season. He's now working for your cross town. He's a cross town.

So it's just, it's been a disastrous season. So whether Chip stays or goes, they're in a tough spot. So Adam Schefter reports eight minutes ago that the commanders are hiring Cliff Kingsbury indeed. So he's in. He's in with the commanders now still open what's that they're gonna make a play for they're gonna make a play for caleb you think i would think so but you know that that would depend on what the bears are going to do are

the bears going to keep justin fields trade the pick or are they going to take caleb because caleb williams the number one pick like i was at senior bowl last week talking to people watching the other quarterbacks thinking very hard about Drake May and Jayden Daniels Caleb Williams is the number one pick there is not anybody else he's the number one pick so maybe maybe the commanders try to trade with the Bears and just swap to get caleb because maybe the bears aren't sure what they want to do fascinating that'll be another plenteous meat meat on that bone but the chip conversation continues because like he got a commitment from a recruit today like he's still working at ucla and but it sure it, we've talked about the argument of, are these rules are the situation, the situation in college football, chasing coaches to the NFL in some

cases, yes. In some cases, no, like Liam Cohen was going to go back for the first play calling NFL OC job he could get. And so he did, he left Kentucky. We talked to Nick Roush about it on Thursday night. Friday morning, it happens. And Liam Cohen goes to the Bucs because it's a play-calling NFL OC job, which is what he wanted. But Jeff Halfley leaving Boston College to be the Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator probably had a lot to do with the rules. And if Chip is going to be an NFL OC, it absolutely has to do with all the stuff going on in college football because he's made it very clear he doesn't like yes but but it also is more nuanced than just because i wrote a column on this as well it's also more nuanced than suddenly that college football is losing all these coaches to the NFL just because of what's happening within the sport. That absolutely has some veracity to it. But Jeff

Halfley also was looking to reset his clock. I mean, he was on the hot seat a year ago. Because he might've gotten fired with a five and seven season. Yeah. And so he's looking to reset his clock you look at who else is gone from college to the nfl this cycle they all have nfl ties jesse mentor came from the league obviously hardball's going back uh halfly uh you know worked at multiple nfl jobs before becoming ohio before he was at ohio state yeah so but so what do you what do you do I mean Martin Jarman I think is is is stuck at this point because he had a chance to do something with Chip I don't think you do you don't do anything with Chip now you just let him ride it out unless he unless he gets a job now I thought maybe he might go for BC because it's a little

bit different job than UCLA and it is home you know he's from New England it's home for him but that certainly seems like Bill O'Brien is is probably the the most most likely candidate at this point we we don't know yet nothing's nothing's set in stone but yeah I do want to open up Ohio State state right right would open up the ohio state oc job where ryan day who used to work with chip kelly played played for chip kelly at new hampshire like i right would that be a situation because i saw the iowa report i didn't know what to think of that like that's not one that i've heard verified independently or anything like that's not one that I've heard verified independently or anything like that so I saw that but you know would Chip take a college OC job I don't know I just unless he just feels like

he's got to get out of there yeah that has Mike McDonald does he have a does he have an offensive coordinator target with well he was he was he was allegedly looking at Ryan Grubb, but it seems like that's calmed down right now. This is for the Seahawks. Right. Ryan Grubb is the Alabama offensive coordinator who came with Kalen DeBoer from Washington. But don't you think UCLA's brass has got to be kicking themselves?

Because you know Chip has been frustrated. Again, like you said, he has never been shy about voicing his opinions. He went viral just like six weeks ago during their bowl game talking about what his vision for the future of the sport would look like and how football should be separate than every other sport they would maintain the conferences with volleyball and baseball and basketball yeah and what he laid out was really smart like what he laid out i hope they listen to him i think he had some good ideas but no i agree but it doesn't sound like he wants to

be a part of it right now. And that's the hard part. If you're UCLA paying him all this money, you want somebody who's all in. So that's a frustrating situation. Let's talk. Before I let you go, I want to talk about the situation in Columbus. Because if Bill O'Brien does indeed wind up becoming Boston College's head coach, what do you do if you're Ryan Day? Because you made a conscious decision.

I'm giving up play calling. I am hiring this extremely experienced play caller to handle game planning, play calling for me so I can concentrate on the other CEO duties that I need to concentrate on. What do you do if that guy leaves? Because it's not like, I mean, you're Ohio State, so you can command a lot of different people's attention. But are you going to find what you're comfortable with now? Yeah, and, you know, I think Day made a very conscientious decision to bring in someone that had, you know, not only Bill O'Brien's experience, but that he, you know,

was another guy that had been a head coach before. And I think someone that, you know, he could lean on a little bit. And so that there's only going to be so many of those types of folks out on the market. We mentioned Jason candle. We mentioned Toledo coach. And that is, you know, and, and we have now seen visa Alabama, O'Brien's former employer, you know, a couple of head coaches at G5 schools,

give up their head coaching responsibilities, Cain Womack and Moe Lindquist, to become coordinators at the Power Five level. Jason Candle was a rumored target of Mario Cristobal before he hired John Gattis as his original staff. Also possibly in the mix for the head coaching job at Boston College himself. So this is what we're going to have to wait on we we've got to wait until boston college makes a decision before we go too much farther al washington would be another name he played there right yes yes but bill o'brien you know and this has been pointed out his family

situation he has a special needs child who the the care that he's received in boston apparently has been very good and so it would be very helpful to not have to move him and so that's that's the other piece of it too i mean people always forget with these coaching moves there are sometimes family considerations. Yeah, yeah. So I think what happens there is really interesting because I don't think that decision was easy for Ryan Day. I don't think giving up that level of control,

giving up the thing that kind of got you there, and we've talked about it on this show like it worked for eli drinkwits it didn't work for gus malzahn because he's apparently going back to play calling now like he's flip-flopped on that a million times now and you know i mike norvell needs to call plays he's better as a play caller. It's a strange situation. And I imagine if you. I got you one more. I have a column coming out.

Or a feature coming out. Later this week. I got to finish it. But Rhett Lashley. Yes. Another guy who has kind of been through this yo-yo. I sat down with him for a long time. In Nashville.

He's a guy who feels like he needs to call plays. That is part of his value. What makes him special yeah exactly yeah and it's so it's so it had to be hard for Ryan Day to make that decision and so if it just because of crazy circumstance which think about this Jeff Hathaway and and ryan day came to ohio state about the same time on urban meyer staff and it's jeff hathley's move that could wind up doing this precipitating this yeah yeah and like you said they're they're not gonna have a shortage of candidates it's ohio state it's much like kentucky although in an even better spot, obviously, because it's Ohio State. But Mark Stoops is going to be able to hire somebody good.

Ryan Day is in a more unique position because he is giving up play calling and looking for someone that he trusts to kind of bridge his vision with the overall program. The tough part is just timing. We're weeks away from spring practice uh and and it's just it's the the timing is ill for kind of everybody in the market for such a premier position like offensive coordinator right now yeah it's it is going to be very strange if o'brien takes that job job because Ryan Day will have to one,

make the decision. Like, do I, do I still follow through with this plan? Is the right person out there or do I go back to what we were doing before? That's, that's the tricky part. And I guess we're going to see what happens,

but Jesse, it, uh, it's been a pleasure. We're going to, we're bringing you back here in the next few days because man, the, the sec and the big 10, they got their hands on the wheel now they're making moves the the the actual alliance the the alliance that will actually work they'll actually do something

oh my god well we'll find out what happens. Jesse, thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon. All right. So a lot going on in the world of college football. We're going to start getting us ourselves ready for college basketball. We're going to be a little bracketology stuff here in the next couple of weeks. It is February now.

That means March is not far away. And there was a big weekend for college hoops this weekend. You had North Carolina beating Duke, big, big game from Armando Baycott, where it did feel kind of like North Carolina was the men and Duke, the younger guys or the boys. And it's kind of where college basketball is right now because you can be a very old power conference team now. For a long time, you had to be young if you were a big money school because you had to get the one and done guys.

But now there's so many different ways to win. And so North Carolina looking great this year. We had our questions. Hubert Davis takes in the national title game. Then they flop. And now they look like a national title contender again. It's pretty amazing. But they've done a good job in the transfer portal.

They've done a good job cultivating that roster. And so big win for them. Huge win for Kansas. Houston's intro to the Big 12 has been pretty fun to watch because Houston is a great team, can completely blow you out on the right night. But Houston went into fog alley and got demolished by Kansas. And that's what happens. You can be great, but you can go on the road in February and just get crushed. So I can't wait to see what happens in the Big 12. You know, Big Monday is starting in earnest now.

It took a while because you had the Super Wild Card weekend where there's an NFL playoff game on Monday night a couple weeks ago. But, like, tomorrow night, Monday night, Kansas at K-State in the octagon of doom. So two days after you just blew out Houston, you got to go on the road to your rival. That's where these things get tricky. That's where these things get tricky. Also, we had Nick Roush on the other day. So Kentucky folks are just down bad in general. I think Nick summed up how Big Blue Nation feels Thursday night when he came on. And he was in his feelings, and rightfully so, because they were about to lose their offensive coordinator, and he knew it. And then the Wildcats had just lost to Florida on, it was a game they should have won.

Let's be real here. They should have won that game. Tennessee comes in there and just molly whoops them in Rupp Arena. First time the Wildcats had given up 100 points in Rupp Arena since 1993. So DJ Wagner needs to come back. When they get him back, they're a different team. But college basketball is getting fun, fun,

fun, fun. By the way, in the women's game, Caitlin Clark, some point, probably in the next three games is going to break Kelsey Plum's all time division one scoring record. She was,

Kate Clark was awesome against Maryland. She's pulling up from the logo over and over and had 12 assists in that game. So it's getting fun in college hoops. We're going to be talking a little more about that because this is a football show, but let's be real here. The NCAA tournament is one of the greatest events in American sports. It's so much fun. The bracket is so much fun.

We got to be ready for that. We can't just come in unaware. We have to be ready. All right. But we do need to get back to football. Last week, I was at the Senior Bowl, talked to a bunch of the guys. The game was on Saturday. And it turned out I talked to the MVP. Spencer Rattler only played two series, the former South Carolina and Oklahoma quarterback. And he was spectacular in those two series. So this is one that it felt like he had the highest ceiling of like who could go to the senior bowl and help themselves the most. I think Michael Pennix helped himself. I think Bo Nix helped himself, but Pennix didn't play in the game because I think he felt like he'd done pretty well at practice, but Spencer Rattler had a good week.

And in terms of arm talent, there aren't many guys in the draft other than Caleb Williams who have that level of arm talent, Jaden Daniels probably, but it puts Spencer Rattler in an interesting spot because I think there are going to be some teams that look at him and say, there's big upside here. Does that mean he's going to play his way into the first round? I don't know.

There are also question marks, but when he can go there and show that with that level of competition, it's certainly helpful. So here is Spencer Rattler. South Carolina quarterback Spencer Rattler. I love this Gamecock on the hat. This is Spencer Rattler NIL special.

Is this something South Carolina has? This is more South Carolina, actually, Connor Shaw's company. Oh, very. Gamecock Supply. So he has awesome gear. So do all these South Carolina quarterbacks stick together? Connor Shaw's company. Oh, very. Gamecock Supply. So he has awesome gear. So do all these South Carolina quarterbacks stick together? Connor Shaw. I know Todd Ellis is always around. No Mike Hold sightings or anything like that. Yeah, no. I mean, all the guys that have played

Connor Shaw, he's always around. Todd Ellis. A lot of the guys. So it's cool to be around them. What was that like? I mean, obviously when you were in high school, you're a huge recruit. You're going to Oklahoma. Everything seems set. If someone told you you're going to go to South Carolina for two years and you're going to love it, what would you have said? I would have said you're crazy.

I never thought South Carolina was any idea coming out of high school, but as you grow, as opportunities arise, as you go through adversity, that was something that popped up and it was a great move for me. What did you learn from that experience, from transferring, from starting over, from two different offenses there? I just learned how to acclimate into new systems, how to acclimate with new teammates in a new environment, everything new. All the way out there on the East Coast, I enjoyed it a lot. I had to gain trust and respect from my teammates and learn how to do that.

So when now you're trying to talk to these NFL coaches, they're telling you, OK, here's this play. You've got to repeat it. You've got to redraw it. How much does it help that you've now been through several offensive systems it helps a ton um a lot of the stuff we're doing up here right now um isn't foreign to me um we we've worked a lot of this stuff and i'm very familiar with a lot of it so uh kind of helps me you know be be ahead of the curve which is good what's it like being out there you know at, at these practices, getting a chance to show them live what you can do? Cause it's, it's one thing to do it at the combine, but to actually do it in a practice setting probably gives you a little better chance to show them what you're actually

like on a day-to-day basis. No doubt. You know, it's, it's awesome to be out here with all the best guys in the country. I mean, this is the best you're going to get out here. No matter what the conference is, you know, they say this is where the path to the draft starts. This is where everything starts. So that's serious. A lot of big-time coaches, GMs, everybody out there. So it's a blessing to be out here. I'm just going to work my tail off every day and try to play clean ball.

So going back to your college career, what is your favorite memory at South Carolina? If you could pinpoint one, what's that moment that you'd like to just bottle? Definitely 2022 season, that Tennessee win, and then beating Clemson that next week. It was special. What was that week? We talked about that all offseason, where it just seemed like everything finally clicks in that Tennessee game, and then it rolls into the Clemson game. Yeah, we just started playing to our strengths.

We had a lot of weapons. I mean, I felt like we had one of the best rosters in the country. We just had to use it properly. And, you know, starting that Tennessee week, we got the ball in our playmakers hands and pushed the ball down the field and just had fun. What does it feel like when you're in a game like that? That Tennessee game, for example, where everything everything's clicking where it's finally all working when you you know when you get the call from the sideline is it just like this is this is absolutely going to work every time yeah you never know if it's going to work every time but

you have a high confidence that it will you know yeah everything was clicking that game and you know obviously it was a home game for us we got a great environment at willie b and yeah we were just hitting hitting on all cylinders and that was a fun night. I saw you got asked what what advice you would have given your 17 year old self. And and you said to to be humble. But how hard is that when you are put on a reality TV show? You were you have cameras following you around in high school. How hard is it to be humble when you have that the recruiting, everything else? Yeah, no, I mean, I've always been a humble but confident kid. You know, I would just say keep working hard to my younger self.

Never expect anything to be given to you. And, yeah, you know, keep a level head through everything, success and adversity. How did you deal with that? Like when everything was happening in Oklahoma, people can be really nasty. Like how do you do you turn off social media? Do you just go somewhere? How do you handle when when that comes? I mean, it's part of the game, especially as a quarterback.

I mean, I'm not the first guy to go through it. So I'm blessed to be able to go through it earlier in my career because, you know, that happens in the NFL a lot. So I'm ready for whatever. So what what can you show NFL teams right now, these next few months? What do you plan to show them? I can show them I'm one of the best quarterbacks in this draft. I can make every throw on the field.

I'm a quick processor, fast learner, can understand multiple offensive systems, and I can get it done. So that's what I want to show throughout these next few months. That one experience out there yesterday, first practice, first few throws, you feel good, feel like yourself? Felt great. You know, other than the balls not being broken in enough, we're rolling, and it was a fun day one.

We'll be broken in today. So, Spencer, appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. And they were really broken in by the time the game started because, like I said, he was dealing on Saturday. So I was thinking about this. Other than Michael Pratt at Tulane,

most of the quarterbacks that were there senior bowl week had played for two different teams. You had Michael Penix, Indiana, and Washington. You had Bo Nix, Auburn, and Oregon. Spencer Rattler, Oklahoma, South Carolina. The next two guys that you're going to hear from, also same situation. Sam Hartman, Wake Forest and Notre Dame. And obviously went to Notre Dame to show what he could do in a little bit different environment, different offense, and came away with a pretty good year and one incredible story about a marshmallow now by Notre Dame Wake Forest quarterback Sam Hart you were in college a long time Sam

that's what people are telling me is it weird that it's finally finally done I don't think it's hit me because I'm still kind of in the uh notre dame helmet and still around college guys and um but you know when you're getting coached by these these these kind of individuals and these um you know in this environment yeah senior boy you start realizing and also you start realizing the guys around you're getting everybody's getting faster everybody's you know unbelievably savvy players so it's starting to click how fast the fast the game's going. Well, that's what I was wondering, because I was thinking about your career and most guys who stay at the same place as long as you did at Wake Forest, their coaches move around, they go through different offensive schemes or different defensive

schemes. You played in the same scheme the whole time and it took going to another school to play in a different scheme. Yeah, no, for sure. It was, um, I was really blessed with wake. I grew so much there and learned so much from, um, just an unbelievable coaching staff, starting with coach Clawson. Um, you know, he taught me so much, so many lessons, so many things that I learned from him as a man and as, as a coach. Um, and then, and then coach coach R was there for me the whole time. I think that was something that, um, probably gets overlooked in this whole process because people see it as, oh, he left to go to a better offense.

It wasn't to go to a better offense. It was just a different offense. It was more pro style. But, I mean, all the success, the reason I got to Notre Dame, the reason I'm here is because of them and because of Coach R and his stuff. What did you take from the Notre Dame experience? Was it what you thought it was going to be? It was surreal, to be honest.

It changed my life for sure. I mean, that fan base, that organization, the culture and the legacy of this, that entire place. It feels like you're in a movie every time you step foot on campus. I learned how to handle a lot more off the field, I would say, and the pressures that come with being the Notre Dame quarterback. And it's something that's special and something I'll always cherish. What is that like in the good ways and in the bad?

What is it like to be the Notre Dame quarterback? I don't know if there's ever bad. I think when you say Notre Dame quarterback, that has a pretty heavy weight behind it. And it was really cool. You know, you get around campus and everybody kind of knows, you know, who you are, what you're doing. And, you know, there's some pressure to that. But I think that's a part of why I wanted to do it.

I think if you asked me when I was 12, hey, you want to be the quarterback? Heck yeah. If you asked me when I'm 40 if I want to be the Notre Dame quarterback, I'd probably say heck yeah. So I don't think there's anybody in the world in their right mind that would say no to that kind of opportunity and the perks that come with it and also the pressure. But that's why you play the position. So the best throw at Notre Dame, was it one you made

or was it the marshmallow? I would say the marshmallow for sure. That was an unreal. Tell the folks what happened here all right so a big tradition senior night uh at Notre Dame is people throw marshmallows on the field don't know why don't know how right and people are laughing listening so you got to hear this story and so we're on the sideline we got pot chocolate it's a cool game I'm walking the game I'm like out of the game we're winning and from i would say 30 yards up like probably row 40 a girl launches one and i'm walking it land i'm moving at the same time

it lands in my so she led you she she led the receiver dunking through your chocolate open yeah she threw me open across the sideline and uh obviously the only thing you can do is chug your hot chocolate after that um and that got the crowd pretty fired up but it was it was cool i i think i i i've met her before at something else but it was uh they were pretty fired have you told the scouts about her uh no i'm trying to you know i'm trying to make yeah you don't want to yeah you don't want to go going hire and draft everybody else. So, all right, you were in college for a long time. A lot changed in college football. With NIL coming in, how did that change day-to-day life in college football for you?

It didn't really change anything. I mean, it's still the game. You know, I know you probably hear horror stories or things about guys at you know living differently and acting differently i'm sure it's some in some places but um i think the great thing about both wake and notre dame was that we the coaches in the in the locker room especially kept the game so yeah there wasn't talks of money and talks of you know how much you're making and how much you're doing it was all about the game and it's a great perk and it's a great part that you know you can help like we're learning here, you know, plan for your future and start earning

and earning equity and investing and whatnot. But, you know, it's still football and I hope it, hope it tries to stay as much as it can because college football is a special place and, you know, that it's pure there and as much as it can try and keep it pure. Well, and that's what, with keep it pure well and that's what with with your locker room because that's what everybody was worried about is would it tear locker rooms apart it did you said that you didn't hear about it much in there no it wasn't that was and that was the whole thing as leaders in the in the locker room and at wake and at notre dame was like guys this is this is the only way that this falls apart is people start pocket watching and

start start you know wondering why is this guy making this and I'm making that. And it happens naturally. But if it's something that's in the dark corners, who cares? That's life. But as soon as it becomes the main focus, then football is not. And that's when you struggle. So as you turn your focus to the NFL, how prepared do you feel for this process? I feel incredibly prepared. It's a cool experience.

I mean, everything comes and they call it drinking out of a fire hose right now. And, you know, it's just the ability playing for so long and doing this for as long as I have is, you know, the ability to want to do that and then also be able to step back and kind of take a deep breath and rely on the people you're closest to and enroll with the punches like I mean I practiced yesterday started out you know rough for me with the one-on-one reps and wasn't throwing it great and you know you try and get out on team and make some plays and that's that's how it goes you know it's all it's not always going to be you know perfect throw perfect play perfect call and you just got to roll with it and when you get thrown together with guys you haven't played with before, how quick does the connection come with the receivers?

I mean, these guys are really good. You know, it's cool. They kind of make you look good a lot of the time. So it's, you know, it's a hats off to these guys. I mean, they're unbelievable. So if you could go back and talk to 16, 17-year-old Sam, what would you tell him to expect? Hold on.

It's going to be a bumpy ride. All right, Sam. Appreciate it. Awesome. Thank you. Appreciate you. That's Sam Hartman. It was bumpy at times, but he had a really good career and interesting, you know, because I think people look at what has been said about Sam and what Dave Klaassen has said about the situation where he went to Notre Dame and think there's animosity there.

There's really not between Sam and Dave Klaassen or Dave Klaassen and Sam. And I thought it was really nice to mention him, Warren Ruggiero, the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest, and the offense he played in that helped him become a big enough name to be wanted by Notre Dame for his last season. One more. A guy who started at Michigan, played with a lot of the guys who just won the national title, and then finished up his career

at Tennessee, Joe Milton, the guy who handed things off to Nico. Here's Joe. Joined by Joe Milton, the guy who handed things off to Nico. Here's Joe. Joined by Joe Milton, Tennessee Vols. What's up, Joe? I'm doing great. How are you doing? I'm doing good. So how has your experience been at the Senior Bowl,

meeting all these NFL coaches, getting coached by NFL coaches? Is it different than in college? No. I mean, I've been to Michigan before. There was a ton of NFL coaches. Oh, man. Is it different than in college? No. I mean, I've been to Michigan before. Yeah. There was a ton of NFL coaches. Just got to take every day how you would in life. Approach it the same way.

You know, they're not trying to bash you in the ground. They just want to see how good you want to take coaching. So you go through Jim Harbaugh practices in Michigan. Is it pretty similar to what you've seen so far here? Yeah. Walk-throughs, one-on-ones, seven-on-seven, and just the whole nine, just calling the plays, making sure the huddle is addressed correctly, just getting guys going.

What was it like watching some of your former teammates on that Michigan team that won national title? What was it like watching them? It was good, man. I was happy for those guys. If it was anybody else, man, I would have felt the type of way. But for those guys to win that, man, I was excited. So for you, the season at Tennessee, you had to wait to get to that point.

What was it? Do you feel like you got everything out of the Tennessee experience that you wanted? Absolutely. We didn't accomplish things that we want to accomplish, but I mean, in life, man, that's what's going to happen. And you just got to be able to roll with it. Sometimes you got to take blows, man. And you know, you got to be able to swing back when life presents itself. So what was, what was your favorite memory at Tennessee as Tennessee's

quarterback? Favorite memory? I have a lot of them. The biggest one is being our biggest rival, Alabama. That was a long night. Man, we've seen the field goal post by our apartment, and that's way downtown. So, man, that was probably one of the – And you're like, how did these people get it down here? Man, it was a whole bunch of people carrying it, man. It was like a parade.

Moving from one quarterback, from hendon to you to nico how much have you guys tried that like did hendon help you and did you help nico um man hendon was a one-two punch we helped each other yeah and then me helping nico was just taking him under my wing get him to understand what was going on um he's a smart kid very talented uh you know so just taking him under my wing, get him to understand what was going on. He's a smart kid, very talented, you know, so just getting him to understand, like, you know, mistakes are going to happen. You're coming from high school, so you didn't really have to face adversity as much.

So, you know, being the number one quarterback in the country, coming to college, had to wait a year, you know, just being able to just ask me whatever you want to ask me and me willing to, you know, take out my time of the day and help him out. How excited were you for that bowl game performance from him? I mean, it looked like he's ready to go. Oh, absolutely. He's been ready to go. You know, I made sure that every game, you know,

because you never know what could happen. That's how you always got to treat it as the number two quarterback. So what advice would you give? Because you had that amazing Orange Bowl, and then you get in the offseason and it's just hype, hype, hype, hype. How do you deal with that? Man, I don't care about social media. Folks going to talk whether you do good or bad.

Man, that's part of life. And you just got to be able to brush it off, not look at it. I mean, obviously you're going to see it when you have social media, but at the same time, you know, people are going to talk. That's part of the job. Learn how to block it out. Very nice. I'm going to work on that.

Joe, I appreciate it. No problem. Thank you very much. And it's probably good that Joe can do that because he got ripped pretty good after the senior bowl. He had a couple of interceptions. He was 9 of 13, but unfortunately two picks, including one in the end zone.

And Pro Football Focus sent a tweet of that play and said the Joe Milton experience. And Shador Sanders, the Colorado quarterback, jumped in and said, I thought you were supposed to be showcasing athletes, not tearing them down. But you just saw Joe. He's not worried about that he didn't see that so

uh we will see what joe milton can do obviously tremendous physical gifts but will he want to be an nfl quarterback we'll find out but he will probably be best known in tennessee lore as the bridge between hennon hooker and nico yamame lava not aaba. It's not a bad place to be. Not a bad place to be here with you guys tonight. It was so much fun. We had so much to talk about. And what's going on with the SEC and the Big Ten is going to be the overarching thing.

And I know you guys sometimes get tired of the legislative governance type stuff. And we're going to try to keep this as football focused as humanly possible. But these are some big, big changes that are coming down the pipe. And when the two biggies say, you know what? We don't think you guys over here are serious enough. We're taking over.

It means there's some stuff coming down the pipe pretty fast. So we'll talk about that. Plus, the second signing day is Wednesday, not a ton out there, but it means the coaches are off the road. We're going to start having more coaches on the show. So give me some requests. Who do you want? Who do you want to talk to? Hit me up. You know where to find me on Twitter, Andy underscore staples, Instagram, Andy underscore staples, and also programming note to get yourselves ready. So we have enjoyed coming to you on the evenings, but we've been talking about it. We think might be able to reach a bigger audience, might be able to be more in the mix with things

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