Andy & Ari On3 - The BILLIONAIRE who wants to save college sports — and turn his alma mater into a power

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Andy and Ari welcome their first billionaire to the show!(0:00-2:25) Intro: Big 12 Takeaways(2:26-13:14) Deion Sanders and "bulljunk"(13:15-34:02) Cody Campbell joins the show(34:03-39:15) Cody Campbell's impact(39:16-51:25) The message Colorado sent at media days(51:26-1:00:45) Is Utah a Big 12 contender?(1:00:46-1:02:10) Conclusion: Dear Andy & Ari tomorrow! Cody Campbell, the former Texas Tech offensive linemen who made his fortune in oil and gas — and who probably inspired two characters in the hit show Landman — joins to discuss his efforts to help his alma mater become a national title contender and his effort to reform college sports. These two things seem to be at odds with one another, and Cody explains that they are. He’d like to create a system that shuts down any potential super league and keeps all the current FBS schools supported, and he has an idea he thinks would make all of them more money. But in the meantime, he’s using the rules — or lack thereof — in the current system to help the Red Raiders fund a massive roster upgrade. Also, the boys didn’t get Deion Sanders on the show, but Ari talked to Colorado freshman QB Julian Lewis. Sanders brought Lewis, a highly touted freshman, and senior Liberty transfer Kaidon Salter to media days. It’s an unusual move, but Ari explains why it fits the vibe of the program.  Watch us LIVE on YouTube, M-F at 9:30 am et! https://youtube.com/live/jJ-SbZuvMQ4 Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Want to partner with the show? E-mail [e-mail]

Welcome to Annie and Ariane 3. We are back from Big 12 media days. It was a wonderful couple days in Frisco, Texas. We didn't get Deanna on the show. I'm going to make that admission right now. He did not come to the on three room. We're going to go to any of the other rooms. I don't think either. I don't think you went to the ESPN rooms. He definitely didn't go to the athletic room as we learned when our friend David Ubbin asked him a question in the main press conference and he said the athletic was quote on that bull junk. Yes. Every big 12 coach came over to our room and spent 15 to 20 minutes of us and gave

us their time. Dion did not show up. That's okay. That's okay. You can do what he wants. I don't think he likes on three, but that's fine. It's his prerogative. He doesn't have to like it. I don't know.

I am just worn out by the, and it's not even a Dion discussion, but anybody who says your organization is fake news that didn't do anything wrong, just I can't stand it. Are we on that bull junk though? Is that I just want to know if we're on our, I don't, I don't know if there's a story. Yeah, I don't know. Uh, I think the, the athletics, New York times corporate overlords are too

humorless to do this, but I would print t-shirts. Yeah. Yeah. The athletic on that bull junk. But the thing is, is that like, I don't know, I was that we were both at the athletic, right? I don't know if you were, I was when Max Olson wrote his story about the players that left. But did the athletic ever write anything, because to me, the the definition of bulljunk is not true or wrong. Did anybody do anything at the athletic that would call for that type of reaction other than before? What's funnier about that is our friend Max works for ESPN now. Yeah,

like, and Deon's not going to keep up with who the the carousel of journalists, but like, there's a difference between something you don't like that's true and bullshit, right? Like, like a little bit of a what he thinks is acceptable and you know, how he thinks his bull junk. That's his prerogative, but the athletic. Bull junk is my new favorite word by the way. I intend to use bull junk quite a bit throughout this football season. And I know that you didn't wanna start this show with me actually being serious about it cause it's just funny and I'm sorry for doing that.

But please people, fake news and news you don't like are different. That's all. You're not going to get people to believe that now. Yeah, no, I know. It hurt my feelings. It hurts my feelings is fake news Ari. It hurt my feelings.

It's not true. Whatever challenges my particular worldview is just fake. I just I'm going to pretend it doesn't exist. I'm going to call it bull junk. Yeah, I'm telling you, bull junk is... If I were still at the athletic, we would be wearing the athletic colon on that bull junk t-shirt right now.

On Three is a new company. And when the athletic was a new company, I didn't have a direct editor. But by the time the athletic got bought by the New York Times, the extensive editing process that all of our stuff goes through in the fact checking and the insured nature that every single word is not only spelled

correctly in the grant grammar is correct, but everything is factual. I don't think people understand the how tenuous it is to do that. So for me, how tenuous, how short lived and fragile, strenuous, strenuous, strenuous. And there I've got to see if that had been through a layer of four NYT editors, they'd have gotten that. If you read my stories that went in the New York Times, you know that I'm stupid. And they actually sounded good. So like,

you think about how hard it was for them to edit them. And it's just like, I would love to just sit down with Dion in front of a camera and say, okay, here's the story that Max wrote or whatever story you're upset about. Show me specifically what is factually incorrect or not that didn't occur. And if you're like upset about the opinions

of the people that people share, that's an issue. Yeah, like it's not, so like it's, yeah. And like, I also too, like it's not so like it's yeah, and like I also too, like I'm not naive to the idea that especially in politics that, you know, stories are slanted with certain views and directions. And I think that's what's wrong with our country. Like there's no place that you can just go get news about the things that are happening in our country without us an angle or a slant to it. And it makes it hard for people like me, much more profitable to tell people what they want to hear.

Yeah. Yeah. But I would love to see. Which is where our show runs into trouble sometimes. Because there are lots of places on YouTube where you can go. And someone will tell you that your college football team is going to win the national title. And it's going to be the greatest year ever.

And we don't always tell you that. Sometimes your team's going to suck. And once your team sucks, you that sometimes your team's going to suck. And when your team sucks, you still are mad at us. Even though we told you the truth and the other person lied. I take great pride in that. I really do. And I don't know if it's going to, I don't know if it's going to like inhibit our audience from growing as big as it possibly could. But I take great pride in sharing our thoughts and our analysis through no scope. And

we'll be right sometimes and we'll be wrong. But the people who listen to our show know in their hearts that we're doing our best and we don't have an angle. And like I think I would be more into politics if I felt like there was a publication that I could get that from. And I don't know, people always say, oh, that's a left leaning or that's a right leaning. I don't even know which sides are what.

Well, people say that based on where they lean to. So you gotta take that into account. Left or right, I don't know. Like, I know that what we do here is to try to tell you the truth. And like Dion Sanders, I was kind of hoping would come on our show and call me an idiot for all the things that I've said about,

recruiting high schoolers or explain or get like, I want to get into a confrontation. Here's the thing though, and this is, Dion is very media savvy. Yeah. And he knows that benefits us, way more than that benefits him to come on the show and call you a moron because you keep saying he needs to work harder in high school recruiting is, it would be great for our show. It would blow up and go viral. Doesn't really help

him at all. Yeah. But like, here's the thing though that, so forget neon. This isn't just a, a because this is what happens like Colorado fans like come onto the show they hear a snip They think we hate Colorado. So I'm gonna change it from Colorado to somebody else when Brent venables first got hired at Oklahoma and he started going on his no visit stuff. Remember this you at the athletic. Oh, yeah Remember we were yeah, we were together. We did a whole show on it and then you went to talk to Brent Venables. I wrote a column. Yeah. Oklahoma fans went berserk and by the way, Vol Nation. Love you boys. You're you're you're my squad.

Oklahoma gets after it dude. Like Oklahoma is a pretty scary Twitter existence and I went to visit Brent after I wrote that column that people got upset about and I said to his face in his office, this doesn't make any sense to me. I wrote this, I don't agree with you, explain why. And we had a heated discussion back and forth for 15 minutes where I gave my counterpoints and he gave his counterpoints and we came to a mutual understanding and he actually ended up changing my mind. And I wrote a column for the athletic, here's why my mind changed when given the proper avenue

to have a debate with somebody about their stance. I'm just imagining you walking into Brent Venable's office, which I've been in that Oklahoma head coach's office before. Carol, very much. And sitting down behind the desk and hanging up the change my mind sign. Three years ago now, I think, but if I remember correctly, like it was a very home of all the offices I've been in, I've been in quite a bit.

Brent Venables is office is very home field. Like, I feel like I remember like we were sitting in leather chairs that were like facing each other. It wasn't like he was at his big desk and I was sitting across from him. No, most of them have a kind of an an anti-room area where they meet with recruits. You've been in his office, right? Yeah.

It feels like a like beautiful like cabin in the woods. Like it's very, very cozy there. Oh yeah. Anyway, my point is, is that like I say things and Andy and I had a discussion about this the other day. I say things and I feel things. This happened with Matt Rule a few weeks ago and I got to talk to Matt Rule on the phone.

I might not always say, say the right thing or I might not always have the correct opinion but I am always, always, always a game for sharing my opinion and change and having my mind changed with the presentation of facts that I was unaware of. So, like, I would have loved to have like my dying wish, I think, for this show would be to have Deion Sanders on here for 30 minutes to have an adult conversation about why he's he's going the direction that he's going with his program. And guess what? I'm not stubborn enough to not have my mind changed. Yeah, but it doesn't benefit him in any way and that's why it's not happening.

So I was like hoping when I went to bed two nights ago with the with the possibility in my brain that Dion would come over and hang out with us for 20 minutes. I was dying for the opportunity what on camera or not for him to call me an asshole and for us to talk about it and for maybe us to come to a mutual understanding of where we both stand and actually hear from his side a long detailed non theatrical explanation for why they're doing what they're doing.

Was that, was I like insane for hoping for that? Yes. Yeah, I mean, like I knew he wasn't gonna come, but. Because Dave's here in the chat says, you know, you know these guys don't owe you anything. They don't. Yes Yeah, I mean like I knew he wasn't gonna come but because it done Dave's here in the chat says, you know, you know, these guys don't owe you anything. They don't know they don't ever once said they do and Like that that's the thing. I understand completely why he did like we're gonna have Mike Gundy on the show tomorrow There was a time when Mike Gundy would have never done an interview with me When I worked at Sports Illustrated,

Mike Gundy was not gonna do an interview with anybody from Sports Illustrated because of a series of stories that Sports Illustrated published that I had nothing to do with, but I understood completely why he wouldn't wanna do a story with us or do an interview with us. Like it made perfect sense.

And so we're not naive enough to know that our positions don't offend people sometimes or that people don't agree with them. Like that's a podcast, especially an honest one. Um, but I, I do really enjoy, I don't know if I would say I enjoy confrontation, but I enjoy adult conversation with someone who's upset because that way, like here's the thing, Deion Sanders doesn't really have a lot of like other coaches. And Deion's very different from other coaches,

for many reasons, but other coaches will have you in their office and they'll give you a 30 minute interview, but you sit there for 40 after and just talk with them. And like, if Deion Sanders is so quick to call somebody bull junk, or to say, hey, you, it would be very advantageous for him to do that on the record or off the record in terms of

access. Then I understand why he doesn't because he has his own media, you know, his son's media stuff and you know, they want to kind of keep that stuff in house and that's his prerogative. But like, I don't recall if Max Olson ever got an opportunity to speak to Deon Sanders about the story that he wrote that might have upset him and it might have changed. So like, it just, I feel like there's this notion, not just in Colorado, but everywhere where like less access is more advantageous. And I think it's the opposite. And like, the Big 12 understood that. They're like, Hey, you know what, you guys come out, we'll give you everything you need. You know, we'll be talking about the big 12 for two days. Everybody wins.

We get to know the coaches better. The big 12 gets more promotion and it's great. And I'm gonna tell you right now, the big 12 is freaking interesting. Cause okay. Our guest today is a freaking billionaire. We talked to a billionaire, which is cool. Cause we've never had a billionaire on the show before. We are going to talk Colorado quarterback because you talked to Julian Lewis yesterday because Julian Lewis was at media days, which nobody brings freshman QB's to media days, but Dion did. And we're going to talk Utah because.

I'm telling you my I've been on the Utah train for a little bit here. I'm even more on the Utah train for a little bit here. I'm even more on the Utah train after yesterday. So let's talk with Cody Campbell. Cody Campbell is the former Texas Tech offensive lineman, has made billions in the oil and gas business. He is the one funding the Texas Tech roster upgrade. He's also though, trying to reform college sports in a way that doesn't it's kind of at odds with with how he's trying to build the Texas Tech roster and he explains all that. But first.

Coach Prime's talking and somebody asked him about his relationship with Texas Tech head coach Joey McGuire and Coach Prime kind of helped introduce Cody Campbell for us. So here's Coach Prime. I'm Jared Ramirez with Redditor Sports.com You talked a lot about media day last year about your relationship with Joey McGuire Yeah, I'm just curious if you paid attention at all to what they've been doing in the portal, especially Yeah Yeah, you got some money. Joy, what you got, baby? Spending that money. I love it. I love it. Once upon a time, you guys was talking junk about me going in that portal.

Now, when everybody going to portal, it's okay. It's cool when they do it. There's a problem when I do it. Ain't that a rap song? First of all, let's get this straight. I love me some Joey McGuire and one of the best coaches in our conference. I've seen him excel from high school all the way to where he is now and he's a winner and I absolutely love it. You know I love him because

he's a man of standard. We played there last year and we was getting bombarded by them tortillos. I don't know how to say it. Somebody say it. Tortillas. We was getting bombarded by them tortillos. I don't know how to say it. Somebody say it. Tortillas. We was getting bombarded by that. And Joey grabbed the microphone and told him to stop throwing at us or it's going to be some consequences. And I love that.

And I love your joy. I know you're out there, baby. I love you, man. I appreciate you. Can you send, you know, few of those dollars to us so we could get some of those flares too. And now here's the man with those dollars, Cody Campbell.

Billionaire we've ever had on the show, Ari. Cody Campbell. Listen, I could have gone with former Texas Tech offensive lineman and and and I gotta ask you, given all the success you've had in business, is that still how you ID yourself? Former Texas Tech offensive lineman?

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I wear a lot of different hats, you know, and definitely not defined by my, what I've done in business. I'm a dad and I'm a husband and, you know, those are the most important things to me. But I'm a Texas Tech guy, you know, I'm a Red Raider through and through, and that's a big part of who I am as well. Cody, have you watched the show Landman? Oh yeah. And I'm sure a lot of people have probably been brought this up to you, but like, are you John Hamm?

I'm just trying to figure out who we're talking to. No, young him is Cooper at the end of the show. Which one are you? I don't know. There's been a lot of debate internally about who is who, but they definitely have, there's some stories that are very familiar that have come out in that show.

Yeah. But unlike John Ham's character, you'd never let your kid go to TCU, right? Absolutely not. No. The thing that I think is so fascinating is that, like I actually don't know anything at all about the oil industry.

And I thought that that was like a fascinating thing. And finding oil fields and doing the things that you did in your career seemed to be amongst maybe some of the most difficult things that anyone's ever done. And now you're trying to tackle something different. How do those two things apply? What you learned in business, how you built your company, you know, navigating what I would assume would be pretty tough territory and trying to break through an industry that's already been built. And that's college football and in oil, right? Well, you know, I've always told people that

I attribute virtually everything that I am to the fact that I had the opportunity to play college sports. Because building a company, building a business is all about a team, and there are a lot of people involved with it, and you know, having a good strategy and getting everybody on the same page,

getting everybody motivated, having everybody pull the rope the same direction. Learning to deal with adversity, learning to work hard. Those are the things that have gotten John and me to the point that we are, cuz we were both football players. My business partner, John Selders and I both played football at Texas Tech. And every single day, we use the stuff that Coach Leach taught us, you know, he we were in his first recruiting class. And, and I think back all the time about, you know, just the different mantras and, and lessons that I learned from him and from that great staff that

he had. And, and it's definitely the biggest, most influential and important part of my life that developed me into the land of life. What's the first thing Mike Leach says to you when he's recruiting you? Well, I mean, it was really pretty straightforward, which was very appealing to me. He had even unpacked boxes in his office yet. He was wearing cargo shorts and a Hawaiian shirt. Yeah, of course he was. On the other recruiting trips, I'd been on coaches, the suit and tie and all this stuff, put his feet up on the desk and he said, like you to come play football here. You want to come play football here? I was like, Yeah, I like it. I like it.

Does he say, if you don't, I don't care, I'll find somebody else? Think you're a good player, I'd like you to play here. You know, and so I just, I thought he was just honest and straightforward. And, you know, other coaches that I was recruited by, I didn't feel like were as authentic as him. And, you know, so that's why I chose to go there. It's one thing about him, because I was— Like Leach, right? Like unapologetically authentic. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And so anyway, I, you know, something about 18-year-old me back then saw that he was a real guy and I'm so thankful that I did. What was the topic of conversation early on, be it during the recruitment or your freshman year, where you go to yourself, who am I playing for?

Yeah. Well, there are a lot of times where that question was asked, because he was really, really hard on us. Yeah. He, you know, people tell the funny stories and all the anecdotes and everything. But I mean, he was hard nosed tough coach. Well, right. He was, I don't think people understand that. Like if you broke a rule out, like he was he was much more practices demanding. We're grueling. Yeah, you know, and if you didn't execute a play

properly, you're gonna do it again, and you're gonna do it again, you're gonna do it 40 times until you get it right. He was a tough coach and demanding of our time, demanding of our effort, I mean, he wore us out. I mean, we had a lot of contact in practice. I think he kind of had to slow that down later on. Yeah. Because the type of the players in the game

just changed a lot. Also allowed him to use his cell phone to practice. I remember watching him Washington State, he's just texting people in practice. Is it this when super geniuses are at work, you just sort of let them cook. But he just thought about things differently and had a different perspective than anybody else

I've ever met. Most unique person I've ever been around and I'm so thankful to an influence father. Cody, you've had a lot of thoughts on the evolution of the sport. And Andy and I had a conversation about this earlier on on the show today where, you know, in 2020, it was felt impossible to build a team

that hasn't traditionally been in the blue blood category or a team that is a half, not into a half. But now the confines of what's allowed and what you're allowed to do from a roster building standpoint, as you're very familiar with have changed. I've been wanting to ask you this since I first started reading about you. What are your actual visions for what this program should accomplish with your investment and what do you want? Well I kind of look at it this way like

what do you need to win? You know, what are the things that you need? And why are Blue Bloods Blue Bloods, right? From my perspective, at Texas Tech now, with all the resources that we have, the facilities we have, you know, the support that we have, the type of administration that we have, the alignment we have. I mean, we have everything you need.

The only thing we don't have is, like, a national championship in 1952 or whatever, right? Right. And I'm not sure what relevance that has on the 2025 season. Yeah. And so from my perspective, we've got it all. Now, I'm not disillusioned enough to think that it's gonna happen overnight.

I think it's a long term iterative building process. I think we are gonna be good this year. I think we have a very talented roster But you know and I think we've done everything we can to control what we can control But you can't control injuries. You can't control bad calls, you know, the ball is shaped funny and bounces in weird ways And so, you know But we've done everything we can to control the variables We just if you don't mind. Yeah this is really an important distinction because what you said about blue bloods in 1952, you're right.

We've had this conversation amongst the last few days, actually. It doesn't matter if you can turn Texas Tech into a blue blood, but your long-term vision is to turn them into a consistent contender that can reasonably win a national championship. That's right. Is that the long-term goal? Yeah, you want to be in a position to compete for Big 12 Championship and to be in the playoff, you're in and you're out. And at some point, some season, things are going to go your way

and all of a sudden you win that national championship. But you have to put yourself in a position to compete for it. And so that's what we've tried to do. I don't think we can measure it by number of wins or whatever, but it's how competitive are we and are we putting ourselves in a position to, you know, win those championships and then, and then the games are going to be played and we all know weird things happen and there's luck. There's, you know, a lot of things that go into it, but be in the position to have a chance.

We take in softball this year, Texas Tech. I mean, you, you, the team was in the position they're in the national title series, and they didn't win it. But they got there. That's right. And now on the door, Andy, but exactly, if you knock on the door enough, eventually somebody lets you in. That's right. Now, my question though, you have a more high, high reaching goal. And you've got an organization now you've created called Saving College Sports. And it's interesting interesting because it is kind of more

of a throwback because you'd like to protect all the Olympic sports. You'd like to protect all of the schools that are currently doing it. You don't just want the money concentrated at the top. How do you reconcile the stuff you're doing with Texas Tech, which you guys have the ability to do. There are other schools that can't do it.

With what you would like to see ultimately in college sports. Well, I mean, we've played the game, you know, as well as we could based on the rules that are in place. Right. That doesn't necessarily mean that I think that it's good for the long-term health of the sport or all the sports, because I know it's not.

Yeah. You know, there are 500,000 student athletes in the country. We were talking earlier about, you know, how much we all benefit from being student athletes, you know, not just opportunity to education, but character development. What you learn. Yeah, about life. I mean, I read a crazy stat yesterday was a Cornell study. 94% of women who are in C, C level roles and companies across the country have a college sports background.

Wow. What was the percentage? 94%. Oh my God. That's insane. That's real? Yeah. That's real. And I mean, so you start to recognize that sports are much bigger than just the games

that are played. And the kids that play non-revenue sports are just as important as the kids who play football and men's basketball. And so we have to find a way to preserve the system that brings so much value to the country in so many different ways. And what's interesting is, we've talked about this, I think when people hear that, the automatic assumption is go back to the status quo, bring it back 20 years. But you're talking about within some of the modern stuff, like while still paying the athletes.

I think the athletes should be paid. And I don't think I understand that certain schools bring more media value than others. I don't think that I'm not advocating for a socialist solution. Right? What I am advocating for is a solution where everybody can survive. All the programs can survive. And I think the opportunity that kid gets at Colorado State is just as important as the opportunity that kid gets at Georgia. And I think it looks different. And I think their budgets are always gonna look different. But we have to have a sustaining level of cash flow coming

through and we can't allow the thing to be monopolized to the point that you know sports being cut and sports are already being cut right you know there already been 40 or 50 programs that have gone down since the house settlement since July 1st so that's just gonna continue to occur and each one of those that dies is opportunity this far. It is interesting though that you want something, but at the same time are existing in the Wild West for lack of better. What's that been like to you for you to try to utilize the lack of rules or the looseness of those rules to the most that you can to benefit Texas Tech while also wanting reform in the same

categories? Well, you guys remember like one of the first debates that Hillary Clinton and Trump had, like where she said, he said the system is rigged. And she said, well, that's rich of you to say the system is rigged because you know, you're a billionaire from it or whatever. And he said, you know, I know the system is rigged and I've used the system and that's how I became a billionaire. Yeah, I know better than anybody. Yeah, that it's screwed up and I understand the ins and outs of it better than anybody else. I see the problems in it more than anybody else. So we're playing the game because we want to be competitive, but that doesn't mean that we think that it's the right thing to do. And that was the point that Trump made in the debate too. He said,

if you want me to pay more taxes, change the tax law. Right. And, you know, maybe it should be, but it, the thing is we've got to fix some of these problems or else a lot of kids are going to get hurt. Well, and one of the things that you've pointed out, and I wrote a column about this a few months ago, cause I was fascinated by it. It's not something I had realized and I was kind of ashamed that I hadn't quite

realized it. But one of the things that could make college sports a lot more money is if you get them included in the Sports Broadcasting Act, which for those who don't know, that's what allows the Dallas Cowboys and the Atlanta Falcons to get together as the NFL and sell their TV rights and they don't get sued over that. And you know, we've heard the ADs and everything talk about antitrust exemptions. This is one that might actually get through. I think that all the antitrust exemption, the preemption of state law, the employment status needs to resolve, all those things need to be done.

But we also have to think about the economic side of it. Because if we don't solve the economic problems, we're not going to be able to do this. That's where the money is. I remember back in 2010 when everybody was creating their conference networks and I asked the TV people, I was like, how come the NFL makes so many more dollars per viewer? Yeah, they get more viewers, but they also make more dollars per viewer.

Yeah, same thing for the NBA. It has half a viewership and gets twice the money that college football does. And so that doesn't make any sense and it's all just because of the Sports Broadcasting Act. It's also because we can't really optimize our scheduling like the NFL can. We cannibalize viewership a lot.

Yeah. There are a lot of ways to grow the pie for everybody. And again, that doesn't mean if we do the Sports Broadcasting Act, we all pull our media rights, that doesn't mean that we're gonna equally distribute revenue, we're gonna take anything away. Everybody can make more money if we do that.

We just have to be able to come together, kind of set aside all the tribalism. I mean, we all want to compete on the field, but what we have to realize is there is a distinction between competition on the field and economic competition. Economically, we're all in it together. But that's where if I'm the SEC or the Big Ten, and I've spent these last few years developing that gap and developing that power dynamic, I'm worried about you. I don't like you saying this. Well, but that gap and developing that power dynamic, I'm worried about you. I don't like you saying this. Well, but that gap is gonna continue. In fact, if we do the SBA

and we just let everybody get the money they're gonna get based on the viewership they get, maybe everybody's money doubles, but that gap grows even larger for those guys. I mean, they're gonna make a lot more money. But like at the same time, a UTEP is gonna be able to sustain their programs. And so I think that's what we're looking for

is just a sustaining amount of money for the smaller schools, recognizing that there are always gonna be programs that have done a lot of work and made a lot of investment to be where they are and they deserve to be in the position. And it is kind of an interesting thought too, because in college sports,

the thing I think that makes college sports so great, especially college football, is that the adversarial nature of the on-field competition, I think a lot of times carries over into the boardrooms where decisions are made. And I think that's happened quite a bit with the conference realignment and the off-kilter nature of where we're at right now. But I'd like to hear somebody who's smart and business savvy say, hey, we can do something

that can be beneficial for everybody while also expanding the profits of the teams that want to hoard it the most is a good thing. I wonder how many deals have you made in your career where you could go in and say, everybody makes more money. I imagine those are the easiest ones to get through. It doesn't happen very often. We're just so fortunate that that lever is there for us to pull in this case. We have a way to bring more money into the system. So I don't know why anybody would be opposed to that, except for they think that doing it implies that we're going to start equally distributing

revenue, which is not what I'm personally advocating for. I'm just trying to make the smart business move. I mean, why not make more money if you can make more money? It's like that. Would you rather take a million dollars, but the person you hate the most in the world gets a hundred grand? Would you do it? That's exactly the... Yeah, and then somebody said, yeah, why wouldn't I want 1.1 million dollars? Exactly. Cody, I know that we're like talking high level stuff, but like I would be remiss to ask you some fun stuff. Back to land, man.

So, fun fact about me, I buy a lottery ticket once a week. Not under the thought that I'll ever win but I like the 6 hour period of daydreaming of what I would do with that money as somebody who has amassed that money. What is the best part about your life and what what what like talk to

an army about what it would be like to just do whatever be able to do whatever you want to do. What did you do? Oh well for me, it's really it's all about my family and you know what I can do for them and how I can make their lives better. I mean, that's the thing that brings me the most joy. The physical possessions are not that fulfilling. It's giving my kids opportunity and making their lives better and the lives of all the people that work for us and work with us and partner with us

and creating value there. That's what really fulfills me, especially at this point, is just, there was a time where we had to make money just to get by and we weren't really sure that we were gonna be able to buy groceries and stuff that week if we didn't get some deals made. But now-

And I know you didn't go from broke to rich, but I just wanna know what the first day was where it's like, okay, that's it, I made it. I don't feel like I'm there that's it. I made it. I don't feel like I'm there yet. I think that that kind of thinking is the wrong way to look at it. I feel very strongly that as long as you have the ability and the opportunity to go out and continue to create value and engage in commerce and in business and do business with other people and create jobs and create opportunity, you should continue to do it. And so that's, you know, that's kind of my purpose at this point is, you know, just continue to do what I'm capable of doing and have the opportunity

to do it. I thought the answer was going to be my answer be like, I got a yacht, helicopter, helicopter and a Ferrari. How much is it? Because the oil business is fairly unique. How much is it in the back of your head if you're in the oil business that it could all go away tomorrow? Well, you have to be aware of the fact that it's a very cyclical, very volatile business. And so you have to position your balance sheet and the way you set things up to endure downturns

because it's not a matter of if one's going to happen, it's when. And we've been through all of them. We saw negative oil prices during COVID and we found that to be an opportunity for us because we had planned for downturns. And so really, it's just being smart about hedging that risk and making sure that you don't over-extend yourself and you don't try to do too much. And that's the case really in any business. It's just ours happens in these much faster cycles. And a lot of times, the key to the oil business

is the one that survives is the one that wins. And so in many cases, we've just been the survivor. So yeah, it's like college football and oil business are that different. The downturns are coming unless you're, I guess you're Ohio State. That's pretty much the only place. But back to the land man thing.

So you know Taylor Sheridan, the guy who created the show. Is it weird when you're watching a show and you're like, this may be my life. Like two characters in this show may be my life. It's funny and it's entertaining. And he's done a great job of the ways he's portrayed the industry, the way he's portrayed West Texas. I love everything about what he's done with the show. And I'm so impressed with him, how prolific he is, how successful he's been and the quality of the stuff that he puts out.

I'm trying to get Ari into lying to us, but- The only thing that I wanna do is work a long, hot day in the field and get a beer at the Patch Cafe. You know what I mean? You you have people rank beers like our beer the first beer on Friday. You weren't the worm ever were you? No. No, so that actual Cafe exists in Fort Worth.

They built it. Oh, you can go to work. It's not in West. It's called the Patch. It's out. It's out like on West Camp. Buoy. Is that where it was filmed? That's where they they film a lot of the stuff. Okay's out. It's out. It's out like on West Camp. Is

that where it was filmed? That's where they they film a lot of the stuff. Okay, I'm going to because I live in Lakewood here in Dallas. So, I'm going to I'm going to head over there. You need to go over there and and get a beer. Yeah, let's go get

a picture. Hey, Mick Ultra doesn't have any alcohol. It'll be fine. Cody, thank you so much. Yeah, thanks a lot. Appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. Thanks a lot. Yeah. Matt, as Cody Campbell, very down earth, you know, for who's in a position that most humans will never, never reach. I'm reading a Reddit right now about the Patch Cafe in Fort Worth and I think I might go

to lunch there today, Andy. I don't know. Do they have the country fried steak? I actually saw a place in Dallas that has a country fried steak the size of like like this big I don't know how to be and like I've never been there and you know. Babes chicken dinner house which is a mini chain in the Dallas area they do like family style either fried chicken or country fried steak I believe. I've had the fried chicken but I think the other thing you use is country fried steak. So I'm not going to go on my rant about how country fried steak should be more available at more restaurants.

But I mean, country fried steak should be as regular. In the actual South where it is available everywhere. So I think country fried steak should be as available or as as prevalent on menus as chicken fingers. I would agree with that and it's not I don't care I don't live in the South but I've been to a lot of restaurants and a lot of places it's not that's not true. No I would agree with that I do love the scene in Landman where the three of them are ordering and they're trying to figure out what they want

and they all get country fried steak, fries, extra gravy. So. Yeah, I mean, what beats that? But yeah, I thought that like what Cody was gonna be like in how he was, was very similar. Like that was what I expected, a humble, smart guy who I actually believe has college sports, you know,

as his best interest and of course, you know, making Texas tech a very good football program and you know, I felt like nice being able to ask him, what's your goal here? And for him to say, to make Texas tech a annually competitive national title contender, which he understands takes time. So he also seems pretty rational too. Well, Vance says, so do we all become fans of Cody Campbell wanting a sustainable system that keeps all sports and allow a capitalistic labor market? I think I am. So I think what

he wants is actually what he wants. What he says he would like to have is what he wants. But I think he's also realistic. And look, you look at what he's doing with Texas Tech, with the football program, look at what happened with the softball program. They paid a million dollars for a pitcher and they got to the championship series. He's gonna deal with reality on reality's terms.

He may not get what he wants, but we'll say, all right, we know this. He has the ear of, of the president of the United States. And so there's a chance he can help us some of that stuff. But I think what you got to understand is the big 10 in the sec don't necessarily like what Cody Campbell wants to do. You know the one thing that's a pretty powerful lobby to have against you. The one thing I regret not saying to him, and it dawned on me when we were driving home from Big 12 media days,

and maybe this is just an obvious like non-profound thought, but also the thing that you have to think as somebody who loves Texas Tech and cares deeply about that place that his new system would do is shield his program from being. It would shield Texas Tech. And that's if you want to be cynical about it. That's the main goal here, I bet. Yeah, it's keeping Texas Tech in the big time. If you want to just be ultimately cynical and say, why are you doing this? It would keep Texas Tech in the big time whereas a Super League might not and that's... But I think that like whether you agree with Cody Campbell or like Cody Campbell I think I probably speak for the majority of college football fans in general and that no one really wants that. Like do even like Alabama fans want that? Like, I think that I would

sign up for anything from a financial standpoint that kept everybody involved. And somebody was talking to me, I can't remember who yesterday at the media day about how Oregon State and Washington State do their media days. And I guess last year they went like to Mountain West and went after theirs was over. Right, it was in Vegas and it was kind of like, you could kind of go between the two. Yeah. Like we spend very little time on this show, if any time talking about those two programs

and they have been kind of left for dead. And it's like a sad state of affairs for them. And I know they're revamping the Pac-12 and you know, whatever they're doing, but they were once in a power conference, not too long ago. and now they have to like glom on to someone else's media day so people will come and like what about the kids on the team that don't get the opportunity to wear a suit and go to this type of event? You know, it's just we don't want that for everyone. We don't write and they're gonna they're gonna have like the Pac 12 is gonna

be a conference again next year. So, but it's not the same. It's, it's not the same. And I think that's what a lot of the big 12 teams are fighting for right here. Let's go back onto the field. You had a really interesting column because Colorado brought Julian Lewis and Kayden Salter, both of their quarterbacks. Caden Salter is the senior who transferred from Liberty,

who's a three year starter at Liberty. Julian Lewis is a true freshman. You and I have both been to a lot of media days. I don't think either of us has ever seen a true freshman at media days. I tried to recall and I couldn't come up with any, did you? I couldn't, I couldn't. And the fact is, I love this because one of the things that I always thought was silly is you have these freshmen who you kind of expect to play. And Julian Lewis,

we don't know if he's going to start. Dion said he has not picked a starter yet, but even if he's not the starter, he's one twisted ankle for Kate and Salter away from being the guy who has to go out there in front of, you know, 60,000 people. Or on the road more than that. And millions more on television, like they can handle interviews. And I think also, at this point in time, where the recruiting industrial complex is, and I They can handle interviews. And I think also at this point in time where the recruiting industrial complex is, and I realize our company is a part of that,

these guys have done so much of this stuff in high school. This is nothing for them. Like he was really comfortable yesterday talking to everybody. He was had no problems. I don't think it's as much about handling interviews as it's much about the state. Seniority.

That it says about your program and where he is. It's like, yesterday when Dion said on the podium, I brought both of them because I don't know which one was gonna start. Like I thought that was an interesting comment, but I'm not even as interested in like this potential contrived quarterback battle as I am about the statement that it makes about who represents Colorado football.

Like that's what they do, right? Like, you know, people think it's a seniority thing or it has been a seniority thing because it takes a while to become the face of a program or to be a representative worthy of sitting in that chair. And I think the message that that sends when you have, uh, Jordan Seaton, who started as a freshman in a five star. Can I read a quote in your column from Jordan Seton? Because I, one, I came away very impressed by Jordan Seton. Just hearing him talk and when you sit next to him, you're like, holy crap,

this is an elite tackle. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Go ahead. But here's what Jordan Seton said in your column. Going into my recruiting process, I wasn't told I was going to be a big name or be the face of the team. I was actually told what I needed to work on. For me, I worked on those things and along came being the face of the team and having the responsibility of this or that. With the work I put in and my teammates around me,

put me in the position I am today. Some people think we're just throwing money at people. This ain't that. You're not gonna come here and make what you're seeing These schools down South play pain. It's definitely a misconception Sometimes you come here you come play football now. That's not Jordan Seton probably got a really good in IL deal He was the number one offensive tackle in the country in his class

But he also if he hadn't been able to play if he hadn't put in the work To be a good offensive tackle, he would have been embarrassed last season. He was definitely not. And he got better as the season went on. And now he goes into this season as one of the better offensive linemen in the Big 12. Yeah.

And I mean, part of the reason why I wanted to write this story is we have to at least acknowledge the elephant in the room. And that's the fact that, and you know this about me, Andy, I'm a watch guy. So like, I know what I'm looking at when I see things. He was wearing a, uh, AP with, uh, exposed mechanism on the, I guess. So $140,000 watch. Now I don't know how much it costs to emboss or whatever the word is, all those diamonds

all over it, but without the diamonds, when it was just how it comes from the factory, it's 140 grand. I don't know if that's his watch. That could belong to Dion, that could belong to Chador. That's kind of like the keys to the program. But there is a level of accomplishment and flashiness that comes with it that you earn by going there and you will be promoted. And the statement that it makes about Colorado football is, is that if you go there, whether

you're a freshman or a senior, whether you're an offensive tackle or a quarterback, you'll be put in a position where people will see you. And Deion Sanders at the podium himself had a few interesting oh I love yeah I really like that quote you want to see us win you want to see us lose but you want to see us he's not wrong yeah and he's not wrong we talk about Colorado all the time um and I think that there is an that's an appealing thing for recruits I think that Deion Sanders truly does have one of the more compelling sales pitches out there because I don't think that you or I or a lot of the people listening to the show are disillusioned enough to think

that they're just winning money battles. Now Julian Lewis, I'm assuming got compensated quite well, especially if he owns that watch. Hopefully it was more than a million because I don't know that I would spend 20% of my income on a watch. I'm wondering if that's, if Shador let him, because it feels like more of the Shador handing the keys kind of thing. But here's the thing, and I think Julian Lewis, now Julian Lewis is only 17 by the way,

because people were asking him about all the stuff that they do and he's like, I'm still 17, I don't get to do that much stuff. But he, you know, when you do that, when you wear that watch to media days, when you show it off and you understand that you're putting a target on yourself. Because there's a segment of society that's like,

I don't like flashy. I don't like people who brag about that sort of thing. I, that's not classy. And so you're going to get criticized for that. You're going to, if you then do not live up to the hype, people are gonna bash you for it. So, but I think Julian Lewis is smart enough to understand that.

And I'm fascinated by this. The AP itself too, is that like the watch inherently, the way it is when there's no diamonds on it is one that would blend in and I'm not sure most people would even notice what it is but you you put the diamonds on it and you have the chain and it's a statement and you make that statement so and you better you better be able to back it up on the field. And when people and here's the the funniest thing that we always lose track of. At the end of the day, Andy, me, you, the people in the chat, the people on ESPN, the people with the cameras don't care about how much money you have. They care about how good you are at football.

So at some point, whether it's your true freshman year or whatever, the rubber is going to meet the road and you're either going to be able to play or you're not going to be able to play. And the lights will go away from you fast if you can't play. So the thing that I appreciated about what Jordan Seton said about how he put the work in, it's like, well, buddy, you know, I'm not going to like fall to my knees and worship that you worked hard. This is your entire livelihood. If you didn't work hard, then you would lose every opportunity that you would. It's on you to work hard.

Nobody cares that I worked hard to be in this position. Working hard is your obligation as a football player in order to get to the places that you want to go. And if you don't want to put the work in, you're not going to reach those. So I'll clap my hands that he's done that. Yeah. But like, I think there's this conception that Colorado is not working hard because they wear the watch. They better be working hard because if they're not, they're not going to get paid. This is money is fleeting. Yeah. No, you're exactly right. No more is coming down the line. So at the end of the day, whether you like the watch or you don't know what time it is or the flashiness that some Colorado players have illustrated under Deion

Sanders' leadership, Chidor Sanders got drafted. Travis Hunter got drafted. Like these guys were good at football and they got the money that comes along with being good with football. But eventually if you're not good at football or you don't put the work in or you care more about the watch than you do about the game, that's going to catch up to you and you're going to fall on your face. So you know, like, you better put the work in. That's the whole point of this. Yeah, and I think Julian Lewis understands that. Just listening to him talk yesterday. I think people think that they don't understand it. That's the problem. Like, I never questioned that Jordan Seaton understood that. That's the problem. Like I never questioned that Jordan Seaton understood that. Yeah, I feel like they were very that was a very self aware group. And you know, that's I think the misconception about Dion's program

is that they they're all about the flash and they're not trying to actually make the players better. Like you watched them play last season. They got better as the season went on and I got better on the line of scrimmage as the season went on. That Deion Sanders, the ultimate showman, you know, uses the flashiness and the funny quotes and the larger than life personality to draw attention to Colorado's program. What I don't doubt, and I'm sure you don't either, is a stringent commitment behind the scenes to improving, getting better and being good at your craft because you don't get to being as good as Colorado was

last year by messing around. You know what I mean? They do things differently, but I do believe that the core of what Deion Sanders is trying to do is create a good football team and I don't, I think people lose track of that because of the flashiness and the one thing that he did is he earned my respect last year in the sense of them being a very well coached football team him getting high highly rated players that actually produced Chidor Travis Hunter and Seton produced the only one that they've gotten so far that has been a bust is Kormani McLean who by the way is now playing at Florida. He's not playing in Florida.

So like that might be a McLean problem, not a Colorado. No, he is playing at Florida. Like, he is together. Yeah. He did? Yeah. He had a big play in one of those SEC games last year. Behind the scenes, is he gonna be like a starter this year? He's gonna play. Really? Yeah. That's good to play. Really? Yeah.

That's good to hear. Good for him. Yeah. I heard he kind of, you know, was kind of off the, it was, I think it was a case like Dion was very, very critical when he was there and maybe some of the, the criticism landed and he realized that his new spot, Hey, if I don't, if I don't get this together, this all goes away. If that's the case, then you can also credit Deion Sanders for the wake up call

that was necessary to get him back on track. So, like- Yeah, because he could, he could have coddled him and said, oh, this was a big, you know, a big highly rated signee. I should take care of him. He didn't treat him differently because he was a big time signee. Like he's like, you're not doing the stuff

you're supposed to be doing. Yeah. You're not going to be rewarded for that. I think there was a criticism of Colorado that it was going to, and like, I think that the people thought it was a possibility that would just be like a clown show and like a loud disaster. You know, it's kind of going back to the Cody Campbell interview where he, he talked about what playing for Mike Leach was actually like.

Yeah. I think people saw Mike Leach saw like the 60 minutes piece and they thought he's like that all the time. It was, yeah. Yeah. But he was, he was a hard ass coach, just like Cody said, I think Dion's very old school. Yeah. Dion's an old school hard ass coach because you, he was an excellent player during a time in which practices were probably a lot different than they are now. So I do think that we all, as collectively as college football consumers, should at least respect Deion Sanders for the coach that he is becoming and the program that he's building. You might not like the flashiness and that's your prerogative, but don't mistake the flashiness for lack of work,

for lack of commitment to craft and of course a commitment to excellence because I think that they've proven that that's their goal and they have my respect. So, you know, that's my piece on Colorado. So, and I understand why a five-star would wanna go there. Yeah, absolutely. So let's talk about another team in the Big 12

that we've talked about quite a bit this off season. As a team, we're extremely excited about, they went and got a quarterback that I think is a little bit different than what we're used to seeing in this program. So it's Utah. Devin Dempere comes from New Mexico. Spencer Frineau, the right tackle,

one of the best in the country. They have probably the best line of scrimmage talent in the Big 12. And it's the kind of line of scrimmage talent, you think if they can win the Big 12, or if they make the playoff, because you don't have to win it necessarily make the playoff But if they get into the playoff if they faced a big ten or SEC type team Their trench play

Could keep them in it So, I don't know if you know this Andy Did you know that my brother-in-law went to Utah and is a huge Utah fan? I Don't know. I'm aware of that. I was not aware that he lives this Andy, did you know that my brother-in-law went to Utah and is a huge Utah fan? I was not aware of that. I was not aware of that. Yeah, he lives in Salt Lake, you knew that. So I was like talking to him a few weeks ago about Utah and we were just talking.

And then I was talking to Utah people at Big 12 Media Day I was talking to Utah people at Big 12 Media Day and I got asked to come on two Utah shows yesterday and here's my thesis on Utah. We know what Utah is, right? It is a very consistently disciplined and tough team that's very good along the trenches. And what we also know about Utah is that at times in the past, they have lost in big moments or weren't able to get over the hump because they didn't have the dynamic skill position players

necessary to compete with the biggest boys. If Utah, especially in the Big 12, can continue to be what they've always been, which is a strong, disciplined, tough-lined team, and then you add in dynamic players in an era that you can get them in a way that you never could before. Like Utah could be setting itself up in this era to being one of the most consistently good teams

in the Big 12 and a team that you go into it with the expectation that they're gonna either compete to or win the Big 12 on an annual basis. I would be very excited if I were a Utah fan right now. No, so Caleb Lomu, the left tackle Spencer for no, we've talked about a bunch Dallas Vakalahi, the 315 pound 15 pound D tackle. Utah's win total at Sportsbooks is seven and a half. I'm feeling very confident about the over there as long as Devon Derpier is healthy.

The Utah UCLA season opener, we're gonna see Nico Iamaleava's first game at UCLA against this Utah defense, I think is gonna be fascinating. I am really intrigued by Utah. And I'll tell you, they might be America's team after what we saw yesterday, uh, River play Spencer for no going emo on us. Tonight will be the night that I will fall for you. Don't make me change. that I will fall for you over again.

Don't make me change my mind. I won't let him to see another day. I swear it's true. Cause a girl like you is impossible to find. Impossible to find. That is a top five pick an offensive tackle singing secondhand serenade like the last dying gasp of emo in 2008. If you can sing that with no shame. You are a you are a real man Ari. You're a real man. You know, who's gonna understand? Who's gonna go to Spencer for no one and be like,

you can't sing that. You know what I've never understood? What the emo accent was. You know how they, like where did that come from? I wanna say it's Chris Caraba, the lead singer of Dashboard Confessional. I think he's the one that- Like this isn't an accent over again.

Like nobody talks like that, but all the emo bands used to do it. But I just love like I had completely forgotten about secondhand serenade. And I heard that song and I was like, wow, I love this kid. And he said on Twitter that he might make this a weekly thing. He might take requests. Yeah, no, he's talented. So he and Devin Dampier were doing interviews yesterday and I went over to their table and I asked Spencer what he likes about Devin. Just watch these two guys. Spencer, what's your favorite thing about him?

Oh, my favorite thing about Dev? Yeah. I think it's probably the bracelets. I love the bracelets, man. They're very fashionable. They're beautiful. What was it like when he got there? Because I've had people in the program tell me

everybody gravitated to him immediately. What was it about him? I don't know, I feel like he's I feel he's just a pretty humble guy. He looks something. I don't know we have a program that's we have some pretty that's a pretty tough guy program and there's a lot if you come in and say a little rah rah or I don't know khaki it's a little harder to fit in and he just goes in that way so. It's funny everyone says I'm the humble And he just goes in that way. So. It's funny.

Everyone says I'm the humble guy. You would, if you, if you were at our practices for like a week, you would not know this is like the guy that's about to get drafted top five. You know what I mean? You would have no clue. Like that real humble come from our own line. All right. Let me ask you then.

When you knew you were coming to Utah and you see him on film for the first time, what's going through your mind? I want that dude blocking me. That's how I go. You back there? Hey, you back there? I'm protected if I go over there. But yeah, I mean, there's four other linemen

just like Spence that we got this year. So just to be behind a group like that, we got big things coming this year. I'm very excited to see these guys play. Talked to Kyle Whittingham for a while yesterday. He acknowledges this is a very different type of offense than what we're used to seeing from them, but he's really excited about it, and here's why. Devin Dampier ran for 1,100 yards in New Mexico last year. about it and here's why. Devin Dampier ran for 1100 yards in New Mexico last year. I think

Kyle Whittingham is perfectly fine with Devin Dampier's limitations as a passer because all Kyle Whittingham wants to do is smash you, absolutely smash you up front and that is what they're going to be able to do. And my guess is that people are going to have to dedicate so many resources defensively to run game that Devon Damper is going to be able to throw for quite a few yards. Yeah. And also too, I don't think you need to be Dan Marino to do that. So no, I know a lot of people can be a good college quarterback. It was an interesting conversation I had with with people from various teams yesterday about. People not understanding.

Who's a good college quarterback and thinking we have to have this NFL process we had a first round NFL prospect. No, you can win a lot of games with a good college quarterback. Yeah, and good college quarterback and good NFL quarterback. The distance between those two things might as well be the Pacific Ocean. Like, you know, that's like, you don't have to be think about how many really, really good college quarterbacks go to the NFL and don't even sniff a roster. Like you don't even need like I feel like talking about the NFL in comparison to our purposes is such a waste of time even. Well and that's the thing but it dominates the conversation. It sucks all the oxygen out

and we need to understand like there's a place for the the Bryson Dailies at Army and the Blake Horvaths at Navy and that they can be really successful in college. Raymond and Kelly Leonard last year. Will Howard, now Will Howard's on an NFL roster, but Will Howard was the quarterback of the national championship team, and he had a transfer. Dude, I am sitting over here in my office playing with my stupid little cards,

and like this guy Here this I was like going through it because this is my worthless stack Clayton tune oh Great quarterback quarterback right? Yeah, the trash is worthless. Does it mean that that he wouldn't have been good? In the right system and claim to is a good athlete. Remember when we hit that the play went Superman? Yeah, my entire stack of worthless cards over here. This is a fun game is just filled with quarterbacks that will never sniff.

Never sniff NFL playing time who were very good in college or I don't want to do this because I don't know where they are but you know what I'm saying. playing time who were very good in college. All right, I don't want to do this because I don't know where they are, but you know what I'm saying. You just set me up for that. No. All right. That's fine because we're up against it. But tomorrow, dear Andy, dear Ari, we'll be answering your questions. You know where to find us. Andy Staples on three at gmail.com. And re was from re dot Wasserman.

And on three dot com. So give us your questions. Also, Mike Gundy on the show tomorrow. Really interesting interview. I've already put out a snippet of it if you've been reading on social media today where he says that college football has got to admit that the players are employees. They need to collect a bargaining agreement,

which coming from Mike Gundy is significant. And the fact that he's saying it on the record is fairly significant. Yeah, I really had a great time with you at At Big 12 Andy, I miss your face already. Can't wait to see in Vegas in a few weeks. Awesome time. Today and can't wait for the show tomorrow. Thanks for being here guys.

Appreciate you and hopefully you know we got some good stuff. I'm excited. We got a lot of good stuff we're going to be presenting over the next few weeks. Alright, so we'll see you tomorrow. Mike Gundy, your questions.