Andy & Ari On3 - The MISERY Hotline: Diagnosing Ohio State, Oregon, and Oklahoma following Week 2 losses

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

Following the craziness in week 2 of college football, Andy & Ari visit the hotline from this past weekend’s games. As this week was more of a misery hotline, fans from across the nation from Oregon and Ohio State called in to express their feelings. What do you think of the state of Ohio State, Oregon, and Oklahoma following brutal losses in week 2? Watch here as Andy & Ari dive right in.(0:00) On Today’s Episode(0:47) Presenting Sponsor(1:55) Intro: Misery Hotline(3:32) Hotline Number(3:57) Most Miserable(8:00) Oklahoma(12:41) Oklahoma facing New Mexico(14:13) LMNT(16:00) Ohio State’s misery level(24:25) Voicemail #2 on Ohio State(29:53) Oregon following Oklahoma State loss(35:24) Why did Oregon lose?(45:28) Dante Moore(50:43) Oregon and Ohio State(54:02) Lane Kiffin Story(1:08:16) Oklahoma State fans(1:13:52) Story of Andy’s Pool(1:16:10) Closing out - thanks for watching!Shifting attention to Ohio State, should Buckeye fans start to panic following the Texas loss? Watch here as Andy & Ari dissect some calls from OSU fans following the loss in Austin. Should Buckeye fans keep the faith, or is this season a loss already?Next up, the fellas switch gears to Eugene, Oregon, where Dan Lanning and the Ducks are trying to re-group before the start of the Big Ten channel. How should Ducks fans feel following the loss in Stillwater? The guys dive in here.After that, one of our more prominent listeners sent in a challenge: Tell the Lane Kiffin story without making him the villain. Watch here as Andy & Ari dive in.To close, Andy & Ari hear from an Oklahoma State fan enjoying the Cowboys big win poolside.We are sponsored by LMNT! Get a free 8-count sample place with any purchase: https://www.drinklmnt.com/andyariOur show is presented by Polymarket!New User Offer: Deposit $10, get $50 upon sign uphttps://app.polymarket.us/S8ac/ON3Trade on College Football games every week on Polymarket. Download the Polymarket App with code ON3 for a $20 bonus upon sign up.18+ only. Restrictions and eligibility requirement apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur.Join On3 today! https://www.on3.com/join Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtu.be/9HObnzkQdWo Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River BaileyInterested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today, Danny and Ari on 3 presented by Polymarket, who is more miserable? Which team that starts with the letter O has a more miserable fan base today? Is it Ohio State? Is it Oregon? Is it Oklahoma? We ask the question. Plus, your voicemails, believe it or not, they tie into the misery conversation, plus a voicemail about a person who made me not miserable,

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That describes most fan bases whose school starts with the letter O. So Ohio State, Oregon, Oklahoma, all miserable. today. Oh. Oh. Are you showing your O face, Ari? Oh. Drew. Drew from Office space. Got to love a classic movie with a budget that's less than an NIL roster right now. It's probably less than a good offensive lineman right now. Yeah, I don't know how much the budget was for office space, but what a classic. And I missed the days where that was a movie. But yeah, I think that this will be an interesting discussion because we do need to dive more into, like, which fan base are just in pure hell when it happens because that's honestly I think like what 60% of being a college football fan 40% is rooting for your favorite team and 60% is reveling in the misery of others.

Yeah, but I think that the misery of these teams are all for different reasons too. So I'm excited to get into it because. Okay. Well, let's let's handicap it right now before we get into because we have voicemails, particularly from from the Ohio State fan base and from the Oregon fan base. And during games, after games, don't forget to call the. and I, and R.A. on three hotline. [phone], because the fresh takes, the raw response is what we're looking for, and there's some pretty raw ones in there.

But, all right, so of those three that we mentioned, Ohio State, Oregon, Oklahoma, who should be the most miserable today? Who should be the most worried about long-term effects, not just they lost on Saturday, but is this something that could be a factor that derails the entire season? Oregon, without question, in my mind. You don't feel like Oklahoma's in the same boat?

They're in the same boat, but Oklahoma isn't the same place as a program yet. Obviously, they always want to win the championship. Obviously, they want to continue to see success under Brent Venables. But if you remember where they were a year ago, it was make the playoff, let's show we have a pulse and let's build for the future. Oklahoma didn't come into this year feeling like they should win the national title, I don't think, did they? Or they should be at least one of the three teams that are viewed as a favorite.

They thought about it, but Oklahoma hasn't won a big two conference. Like Oklahoma's been in the SEC for two years. They didn't win the SEC either of those years. Oregon's been in the big 10, two years. They won the big 10, the first of those years and then made the playoff as an at large. in the other one. So yeah, I think you're, you're probably right. Based on expectation level, the organ stuff is more concerning. Though, what's interesting to me is the thing with Oklahoma is a lot of it is what they were last year. They're not fundamentally different than what they

were last year. And they made the playoff last year. So it may be that there's, there's a chance that they tweak a couple things and they're fine. But, Oregon looks fundamentally different than last year. Oregon is a million dollar home that might have a foundation issue. Like, I think that when you look at what Oklahoma is dealing with, it might be a pain in the ass to call over a pair guy or a handyman to come fix what's wrong, but you're not cooked yet.

But you also knew, yeah, you knew the floor plan was weird when you bought the house. When you bought the house. Like you weren't blindsided. I also think getting like hit in the back. of the head with a bullet is a lot worse than dealing with issues that were, you know, if you have a nagging knee pain and then all of a sudden your knee starts hurting really bad, it didn't come out of nowhere. So, I mean, that said, Oklahoma also spent the entire offseason talking about how this was going to be different. So I'm not trying to downplay. I'm not trying

to downplay that. But the thing that is difficult for Oregon is that they came into the season, Andy, with very similar, you know, situation as maybe even a Texas, right? I kind of viewed them very similarly very good team very expensive roster coach that's been knocking on the door playoff team the last two years that you know got embarrassed in the playoff but i think last year's embarrassment was a little bit more understandable considering their injury issues but i think that like oregon was viewed as a national championship favorite probably even more so more of a trendy pick than texas and the fact that it also happened on the same weekend as texas breaking through probably things a little bit more and i don't think that oregon and texas

fans look at each other as like, well, benchmarks. This is where Ohio State though and it's interesting because Oklahoma and Texas fans do and Ohio State and Michigan fans do and Ohio State blows this big lead to Texas on the same

week that Michigan after getting killed for a week following the Western Michigan game, Michigan beats Oklahoma. It's funny how all this is interconnected but like now the Ohio State fans are miserable and they're criticizing Ryan Day. I mean, this feels like it felt not quite as bad, obviously, because

it wasn't the rivalry. It wasn't that situation. But the questioning of Ryan Day, we have not heard since he won the national title. And, you know, they did lose the Big Ten championship game. They did lose the playoff game against Miami last year. But I don't feel like he got just raked over the coals for those. He's getting like a personnel rate right now. Yeah. So let's focus on each team because I think they're all interested in one regard. And we have some voicemails, right, Andy, to help us do it. Well, let's start with Oklahoma real quick before we do that. So, because I think we're going to dig deeper into Oklahoma tomorrow as well.

But before we get to the Ohio State and the Oregon voicemails, I want to talk about Oklahoma because I saw like an Oklahoma fan made, you know those, those things that SI used to do where it's like build the perfect quarterback. and be like Peyton Manning's brain and this guy's arm and this guy's legs. Joe Burroughs outfits. Yeah. Yeah. It was just, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, John Mateer's arm, John Mateer's legs, John Mateers. And I was like, good Lord.

You guys have turned on this guy so quick, but. Yeah. I don't know, Andy, and maybe we'll find this out. Is it possible that Oklahoma was just playing a really good defense on the. road and that what happened there while frustrating will be certainly explainable in a few months and that people will get better and or do you think it's entirely possible okay it is entirely possible because I do struggle with like jumping to absolute conclusions and like that said I also understand why

Oklahoma fans are upset because even if that is the explanation Oklahoma was supposed to be able to transcend that situation and still be better because they only managed 10 points and it felt like they were hopeless when they had the ball. I think they had the ball, what, three different times down seven late? Yeah. Or three different times with a chance to go win the game or at least tie the game late and they, you know, didn't really do anything. I understand the frustration. But in terms of like Oklahoma's season, like are they a completely different team than what they thought they were? I don't know that that's the case. I think where the frustration comes in as you look at the schedule and they play at Georgia next week, then they're a completely different team.

they're off, then they play Texas. Like, your, your playoff chances could be over by then. Like, the Texas lost last year was their first loss. Then they lost Ole Miss and then they hit the hard-to-kill streak. But now they're really behind the eight ball where they need to win one of the games against Georgia or Texas. Well, what does Georgia and Texas have that most teams don't? Maybe better defenses than Michigan.

Right. Yeah. No, it's, you feel like they probably at least had to go one and two in that stretch. And they still do. Yeah. And Michigan was certainly, I'm comfortable saying that that would have been the easiest one to win. So starting off losing that is not a good look. And I understand that. I truly do. But I also think that it's not within the confines of reality that Oklahoma could play. in a 17-14 game with Georgia or Texas

and try to figure out a way to win, especially because one of them is a rivalry game that's been weird in the past. So I don't think that they're cooked, but certainly reason to be angry and to question the coach and to revisit the contract extension from the off season that we talked about

when Georgia's on, like all these different things I think are rational. Yeah. I don't know how much I perceive, how much do you perceive Oklahoma's offensive ineptitude to be John Mateer's fault? It's not all John Materer's fault. He seems to be taking the whole brunt of it.

Yeah. They don't run the ball well. They didn't block particularly well. Yeah. But he also needs to be more accurate. He needs to not be throwing behind guys when they have a chance to win the game. Yeah. Certainly disappointed.

Certainly not as shocked or caught off guard or betrayed. the way that some of the other fan bases might feel, namely Oregon. Yeah. And that's, I think Oklahoma fans probably, because some of these complaints were things they complained about last year. And they also complained about Ben Arbuckle play calling, that sort of thing. So I think this is not new to them. These are not new feelings necessarily for Ohio State.

They are new feelings for Oregon, because they've not seen this before with Dan Lannning. but I think for Oklahoma, this is so familiar from last year. It probably isn't that misery inducing because, again, you dealt with this last year, you made the playoff. Like, you were really good down the stretch. So definitely a chance to make it up and get back. All right, let us move on. They've got New Mexico this week, which, by the way, not easy.

Did you see what Jason X said this week, by the way? Oh, yeah. Yeah. He said we've been eating at fast food restaurants. And now we're going to a nice steakhouse and we're ordering a nice meal. We better make sure we have enough money in our wallet so we don't get embarrassed. Yeah, which I thought was hilarious. But like they're going to be a challenge.

You know, we're definitely stepping up in class. It's kind of like we've, you know, been going to like fast food restaurants to eat. Now all of a sudden we got an invite to the nicest steakhouse in town. And you're checking your wallet to make sure you have enough to cover it because you don't want to be embarrassed because this certainly is a team that can embarrass you. if you're not ready to go. So we got to have a great week and go play our tails off Saturday night. I wouldn't want to play Jason X team coming off that game.

No. This is New Mexico. New Mexico could win the Mountain West this year. So they're a very good team. That, you know, for that level, you are really challenging yourself more than if you'd scheduled like a replacement level group of 16. So that is also something that Oklahoma needs to consider and be concerned with.

Like, don't be sitting there going well, We're going to tune up with these guys and then go beat George, you know, go figure it out against Georgia next week. You figure it out now. Yeah, because if you don't, Jason, heck and the loboes may embarrass you. So you got to make sure you figure it out right now. Ari, we got some great voicemails from the people. Raw emotion from the Annie and Ari on three hotline,

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didn't think they'd ever say this stuff again. And now it's back. So let's roll that first one. Hi, I'm a big fan of this show. I just want to get something positive out of the way before I express how freaking mad I am because I'm actually pretty pissed. And, you know, everyone says that Buckeyes fans aren't grateful. And it's true to some extent. But I'd like to imagine the bare minimum for a fan base is to expect to hold a 23-3 lead when you're kicking the opponent's rear end up and down the field on offense, defense, and special teams. when you're forcing to fumble every other drive.

But no, this is the issue. Ryan Day, I don't know. Is it a psychological thing? Is it a philosophical thing? Is he trying to outsmart everyone? Why would you basically call a game at the end of the, not even the end of third quarter, the middle of the third freaking quarter and basically treat it like an exhibition after that point? The other team is still trying to compete.

Texas still has good players. I mean, they, oh, how does they kick their ass? just 35 minutes or so, but Texas still has good players. You can't just give in like that to them. And this idea of this pro-doubt idea, if you have a slow, methodical offense is professional, they do it in the NFL. That's bull crap. It's just what it actually is, is Ryan Day is scared. He is scared of his shadow for some Godforsaken reap.

And Urban Meyer might have lost to Iowa and Purdue and this team and that team and gotten blown out by Oklahoma in 2017. but he was not scared of his own shadow. I can say that much. And I am, I just am, how can he, he won an national championship. That should give him all the confidence he needs. But no, he still plays not to lose. He did it against Indiana.

He did it in the first two and a half quarters against Miami, and he did it to end his game against Texas. And if he doesn't stop doing it, then how can Ohio State fans and the Ohio State leadership trust him with leading the great talent he's recruited he and his coaches have recruited. How is that possible? I mean, they could still win a national championship this year for all I know.

But I'd like to think the coaching is a positive contributor, not a negative contributor to that cause. So I'm just, I'm mad. But love the show. Bye. I love that. Positive at the beginning and the end. Love the show. But let me keep up the ways I am displeased with Ryan Day.

So, first of all, thank you so much for calling in. Really appreciate it. And the fact that we get emails and calls from people that say that we're a big part of their days is the reason we show up. And I'm eternally grateful for you. That said, there's one specific thing that I want to push back on when it comes to this is the notion that Ohio State was kicking Texas's ass. Like, I don't know that that's what was happening in that game. And I wonder if Texas would have beaten Ohio State 24 to 23, but they just, traded the mistakes instead of trading halves if this one would feel as bad as it did.

So, because like Ohio State was the beneficiary of a lot of like boneheaded and even lucky circumstances in the first half that like helped them get that lead. That said, once you, but they have the lead. Yeah. So and I think what, what frustrated Ohio State fans about that game is it felt like, okay, we're not going to press the Jeremiah Smith button until third and long. Yeah. Why not press the Jeremiah Smith button on first intent?

Right. Just bury them. And the other thing is like what I wonder with Ohio State is Ohio State coaches are among the few that get to work with a talent level that is similar to what Texas is. And that's the weird thing in college football versus the NFL. Like in the NFL, even the best team, the talent differential between the best and the worst is not that much. in college, if you have a Texas-type roster or an Ohio State-type roster, you're rarely playing teams that are your equal talent-wise. And the fact that the Ohio State guys are around athletes like that every day,

I would think that would make them more aggressive in a situation like that because they know Texas has the personnel to come back on them. Okay, are you ready? Let's go. Clip in river. Here I come. I'm ready. Ohio State fans are tired of having the best ingredients and not getting the most out of them. And this isn't just a Ryan Day issue. This is something that has been going on since the early 2000s. If you go look at some of the teams that they have had, the 2005 team, the 06 team, you can go even to the 2015 team after 2014's national championship team returned to everybody,

the 2019 team. Ohio State has had national championship caliber teams with players, even last year, add that team to the list, that should be or could be good enough to win the national championship and then don't. And a lot of times you could even point, even going back to the Urban Meyer era at times where you think that coaching was a detriment when it should be the thing that gets you over the top. People forget because Urban Meyer never lost to Michigan and won a national championship,

but there were a lot of games that Ohio State lost during his tenure because maybe the best players that they had on the team weren't on the field. And I'm thinking even as soon as this first Big Ten championship game in 2013. So, like, I understand the frustration. When you think about the amount of players that have come through that university and I've played on that team and the little, the amount of, the few amounts of national championships that you have, like, you want to scream. And Andy, I know that it's not fair to compare Ryan Day to Nick Sabin

or to compare, you know, him to some of the greatest coaches of all time. but if you actually think about... Wait, why is it not fair? I mean, it's just not fair to compare anybody to Nick Saban. But if Nick Saban... Maybe it's not, but Nick Saban and Ryan Day had similar rosters. So if Nick Saban were the head coach at Ohio State the last four years, including this year,

I think Ohio State lost games that they would not have lost if somebody else was coaching. And I think that Ryan Day has done a very good job with the program. And this isn't a fire Ryan Day discussion or does he suck? I'm just trying to put it into perspective when you're talking about a team that expects the best every year. I do think that when you look back at even last season, and maybe it was a personnel issue, but how you go to bed at night without eternal regret after losing in the quarterfinal with a team that had four top 12 picks in the NFL draft, like there seems to be this like misfiring. And I know that it was the tackles last year and they couldn't block Rubin Bain.

I understand that. But when you think about all the things that you could also blame the coach for, the slow pace, not being able to get the playmakers the ball enough, all these different things, even dating now back to Saturday night. The coach is supposed to put Ohio State or the team in a position to win when the talent is the same. They play so few games against teams with equitable talent, so when they finally do have a 20-point lead against one of those teams in the rare instances that are playing them, 17 different things could have happened in the second half where one of them bounces Ohio State's way they win.

the coach has to put the team in a position to not only capitalize on one of those things, but to make that list even longer. Recovered fumble, a missed field goal. Julian Sand missing Devin McEwen, who's wide open, over the middle. There's a lot of things that Ohio State could have done to just win that game, but I think that the loss is a symptom of a frustration that dates back 20 years. And I think that, like, that is a really big problem because Ryan Day is unique in that he can get a lot of great players. but I think you would be lying if you said that he has squeezed every ounce of potential out of the teams that he has because he certainly has it.

And it goes all the way back to the Marvin Harrison, Jackson Smith, and Jigba pictures of them sitting on the bench with Chris Olavay and them not winning shit with him. And C.J. Strauds is a starting quarterback in the NFL. Too many good players have come through there and there's not enough to show for it. Got another voicemail from Ohio State fan. Hey, Eddie. Seth here from Ohio. Longtime Buckeye fan. long time a just questioner of Brian Day's

decision making when you're up 20 to 3 and you decide to take your foot off of gas. Arthur Smith as well, why did we go some conservative in the second half and decide to throw it up to Jeremiah Smith only when it was third and eight or longer? I don't get that. You're up by 17, put your boot on the neck of the opponent and finish them off.

Very disappointed. Hats off to Texas. Arch Manning, rough first half, cool as a cucumber. He's a stud. He's a stud. That's off of Texas. They won the game, but Ohio State had him. Should have won.

The taking the foot off the gas thing is more unique to Ryan Day than to Urban Meyer. And it is, that feels like a complaint ripped straight from the 2024 Michigan game. And Arthur Smith, you know, we're seeing him as a college offensive coordinator for the first time. He's been a successful NFL offensive coordinator. He's been a non-successful NFL head coach. You know, in the NFL, it's interesting because in the NFL, I think now you have to be aggressive too. Like I think the McVeigh and the Shanahan guys, they're pretty aggressive play callers. And I don't know that.

Which, by the way, was Ryan Day's calling card when he was the officer coordinator before he got hired, Andy. The whole thing about him was that he was an NFL gut, like throat. Right. Stomper. But to blame, like, I'm not going to blame Arthur Smith being in the NFL for them being conservative in the second half. Like, I don't think that's the issue. I do think it's sort of top down.

But I think in this day and age when you're going to have games like this, because there are no perfect rosters, rosters anymore, even though Ohio State and Texas have two the best, when you are playing against teams that are similar, similarly situated talent-wise, You cannot stop going for the throat. You can't. Andy, let me ask you this question. It's the beginning of the third quarter. You are facing a fourth and four from the Texas 39,

and the score is 14 to 14. Are you punting there? No. So why are you punting when you're up bigger? It doesn't make sense. So Ohio State punted there, and I think they got 26 yards of field position. Now let me ask you this.

You know I'm a hater of the punting and plus territory in any situation. Yeah. But that is the type of play calling. I think that is the symptom of let's just make sure we try to get out of here. Can we also kill him for going forward on the 13 instead of taking the three points? I mean, I don't. I thought that was fine going for it there. I think going for it there was fine,

especially with the way that they were trying to run it. I think he was trying to make a statement. and I actually am okay with going down trying to do something. I think it's going down, trying not to make a mistake. That's the issue here. So I think that would be almost hypocritical to get mad at him for that if you're going to get mad at him for punting. So the other thing that, you know, is a really big deal here.

And I think this might be a discussion point that's outside of Ryan Day's purview. And I think that it's the actual truth, which is maybe Ohio State just is not as good this year, generally across the board as they have been the last two years. When you think about how much talent they lost, I know that Ohio State reloads and that they spend a lot of money and they do well in the portal, but when you think about losing four players in the top 12 of the NFL draft, are you supposed to be as good?

And are we getting to a point now where even Ohio State can't be 100% locked and loaded to win the national championship every single year the way that the fans have expected it to? Like we talk about how there's no super teams and how it's going to be harder and harder to keep talent. Like Ohio State's lines didn't play well in that game. Texas ran the ball down their throat in the fourth quarter. Maybe part of the reason for that was the fact that Ohio State was tired

because they were on the field the whole time and couldn't land on fumbles and couldn't get off the field or get first down. But they didn't look like superiorly athletically, like better. They're not superior athletes to Texas. But they were in the playoffs years ago. they were years ago to say it wasn't as big of a gap as it was with some of the other teams

but like Ohio State has this viewpoint that it's supposed to be number one at all times and maybe this is a two or three lost team that lost a tough game on a road again because Texas beat their ass on the second half or not the second half sorry the fourth quarter so you know I don't know if this is

like misguided Ryan Day is soft and is too afraid to go for the jugular conversation or if this is the first symptom that maybe Ohio State isn't as good as they've been in the past. They didn't have a number two receiver pop out. You would thought that Chris Henry or Brandon Ennis or somebody else. But that may happen as the season goes on.

That may happen. Because remember, you had Carnell Tate last year, who's the first receiver off the board in the NFL. It may be that that person evolves into that role. Whoever it is. You just listed all the names. Yeah. So it's the weakest they've been at number two receiver in five years.

So I am less concerned about them. figuring it out than I am this next team because this next team does seem to have all the personnel that it needs and something just feels like it's missing. So, producer river, I want you to play a completely unhinged voicemail from an Oregon fan. This is Thomas from Chicago. Oregon fan here. Clearly you can tell about my voice. After a couple hours of cooling down, um, Dodds just give a rational take Deason

Oregon should fire like Dan Lanning Here are my few thoughts One The hype videos The quotes It just feels like he's not An in-game coach He's just a manager

Where he just hopes that practice And the talent will bring them wins Because if you look at the losses Like Washington In Indiana in Ohio State, he's been out-coached and out-classed. So I think, do you guys think that's also an issue of his in-game coaching? Second, I just think that this is an offensive league, both college and pros, where you see

the, where if you had the same structure of offense, the offense doesn't keep continuing to change because you have a defensive line, so the offense continues to change, and it's harder to find that guru that has a connection with offense. I just think about going back to Chip Kelly and Mark Helfrich days that I just think, think that that and also where the sport is going in his head is actually I think this is offensively. You look at the best teams in college and the best teams and the pros where they led by an offensive-minded, an offensive-minded person. So I just think that Dan Lennon is a glorified recruiter, hype man, and not so much of a guy

who's an in-game coaching and adjustments is best for this team. so I just think that we should go and get offense-minded person. Some of my time of Reese is one of mine because of his connection to NFL and also his play action is more and his like under center, 11 personnel, 12 personnel motion is more like Sean was Bayne and college, and Hanhan. Thanks to take my call. And hopefully you have an answer to my rational take.

Bye. Rational take. That was like an In-Night Shaman movie. It had your major inciting incident where he asked if Dan Lannig should be fired and then takes the massive twist at the end he's like i know who can replace him Tommy reese you know he hit a two-hour cool down Andy um I know I can't even imagine what that would have been like like right off the rip and just so you know like because I appreciate the call I want you to call in during the non cool down period like we yeah please please next

that was the rational thing that I want to hear the irrational one um like listen the number one knee-jerk reaction to any fan who has been disappointed. And I understand this more than you guys even know is to fire the coach, right? Because that's the most easy way to lash out. Fire the guy. And this was, Andy, let's not sugar-coded here, one of the most bizarre losses or games that we've witnessed in quite some time. In comparison to what we know they have on their team,

in comparison to what Dan Lannning has done as a coach through his entire Oregon tenure. He said in his press conference yesterday that it was their worst performance as a team and coaching staff since he's been there. Oh, yeah. I mean, yes. And it was just probably the most out of character because Oregon did lose games. And you do have questions about offensive in game play, calling it all these different things in the types of games that Oregon is playing like Ohio State, Texas, when they're playing against another team like Oregon. That's when the coach is supposed to put you over the top. So, you know, I understand that, but I also don't understand is what is the reason we got here.

And a lot of times when it comes to coaches and their eventual downfalls, a lot of times you can probably point to, at least in the modern era, coordinator hires and how you go about that. Now, we're one game into it, but Oregon had coordinator jobs open, promoted from within, and didn't open it up to a national search, which when you're paying. as much money as you are for your roster and for your program and the investment that Oregon has made, I think that you probably do have to do that. That's one thing. But even if the coordinators are so-so, to get outgained by 100% by that team, even if Oklahoma State is much improved as I'm assuming that we know that they are. Oregon has too many good players to be misfiring on that. Even on a fourth down, Andy, I think the biggest thing was they went on a fourth and eight in their own territory in the second half. Do you remember this? And they didn't even get a playoff.

Like, the whole thing was a disaster. It was coaching. It was talent playing poorly underneath their left. It was just so bizarre. And I think that the question isn't, what does this loss mean? The question is, is this going to be a season long wandering through the wilderness of bad play, which then maybe leads us into the next call? Yeah. Now, this is from an Oklahoma State fan, but he thinks he knows the reason Oregon played the way it did that day. Hey, Andy Anari, man, Colin from Stillwater, Oklahoma, just got done watching the Oregon, Oklahoma and aside from Oklahoma State just dominating the game in all three facets and really win a lot more than just 39 to what, 31, how much do you think of travel effects?

And here's why I say that. I was headed to the game about an hour away, and I noticed I got a caught behind the bus. And Oregon State, Oklahoma City, which is an hour and a half away. They got there an hour and a half before the game, and then we had a lighting delay, which is the latest another 90 minutes. So how much did these other, like, outside factors really factor into this game, or was it just pure dominance of Oklahoma State? So it was weird because you had the delay.

It was exceptionally hot. The temperature at noon central time in stillwater was 97 degrees. So you had all that. So those are built in things you can point to. But also, on the flip side of that, this is an Oklahoma State team that lost to Tulsa last week. if your Oregon, even if you're having issues, even if it's hot, I mean, you should have superior talent and you should be able to lean on that. But I think, and I think that is the concern. Like you said, Ari, the reason I think Oregon fans probably should be more concerned than

say Ohio State fans or Oklahoma fans is because something just doesn't feel right. It feels like you have the right ingredients, but the meal keeps coming out weird because Boise State move the on them. And Boise State may turn out to be really good, may make the playoff, may win its conference, but it shouldn't be able to move the ball as easily as they did on Oregon. And Oklahoma State definitely shouldn't be able to move the ball as easily as they did. Because the thing about this, this wasn't like Oklahoma State jumped on them and surprised them and then held on for dear life. Oregon took the lead in the fourth quarter. That's where it should have ended right there. They should have just sort of put their foot down and they're going to be fine.

But Oklahoma State drove it right back down the field. So that's what scares you with it. When you look at the remaining schedule, how many offenses are they going to play that can do that? Because they play a lot, like they play a really good USC offense in a week and a half. So Oregon lost to Oklahoma State. And I think that We don't know how good Oklahoma State's going to be because it's completely contradictory results for the first two games. One's beating Oregon, one losing the Tulsa. I don't know how to articulate what that means. But I went back two years ago to when Notre Dame lost to NYU in the beginning of the year

and wound up playing for the national championship. Because I think that if you're an Oregon fan, you look back at that and you go, okay, you can have a truly, utterly awful loss in this system and walk right back into the CFP picture and in three months pretend like this never happened. But I went back and I looked at the NIU Notre Dame box score. And I was actually kind of surprised to see this because this isn't how I remember the game. The final score was 16 to 14.

Right. Ball State. Sorry, Northern Illinois. Northern Illinois moved the ball for 388 yards of total offense, which is a ton of offense. But my recollection of the game, and you tell me if you remember it the same or different, was that Notre Dame was playing with their heads up their butts the entire game.

It was kind of like they weren't there to play. They were kind of like that had that thousand yard stare where they just, they did not take their opponent seriously. And I think that there is some parallel to like Oregon potentially not taking their opponent seriously and all the things they had to go to to get through Stillwater. But as that game progressed, Andy, like I don't look back at Northern Illinois beating the crap out of Notre Dame. I think Oklahoma State beat the crap out of Oregon in a way that wasn't just this was a sleepy upset.

Remember, remember, the pick six for Oregon was in the red, like Oklahoma State was in the red zone when they threw the pick six. So it could have been worse. Like that could have been a 14 point swing toward Oklahoma State. And then there was a second one. And then there's a second one that set up a touchdown because they got it to the one. Yeah. So, like, and it's the thing about Oregon's defense. Like, they did some good things.

Like, they still create a lot of havoc. The problem is down to down for them. And you saw that against Boise State, too. Like, the havoc stuff's great, but you got to be able to get people off the field on third down. And when you're going for it on fourth down in your own territory, that's you sending a message that you don't believe that your defense is going to get a stop. Dan Lannning did not think Oregon's D would be able to stop them. And he's right. They gave up 554 yards of offense.

That is insane. Downright insane to a team that couldn't move the ball really well against Tulsa. So maybe like Oklahoma State got off to a terrible start and things just went poorly and they're much better. Obviously they're much better than what they put on film against. By the way, can I interject here with something I should have said several minutes ago after our caller suggested firing Dan landing and hiring Tommy Reese. No one is thinking you should be fired.

Dan Lanning. No one in their right mind is thinking that. This is, but it's interesting because this is the first real challenge in Dan Lanning's tenure. I think he got some criticism after that first Washington game in 2023 when he went for it. Yeah. Four times out. But I went back through every one of those decisions. Other than the one right before the half where maybe you just take the points at the end of the half, like I was fine with those with going on on those. And like, I think he's, like, he's not a bad in-game coach. Like, and obviously you look at his record before Saturday, they don't lose games they're not supposed to lose.

They lost Oregon State year one. But since then, they, they just not had any games like that. So this is really the first serious criticism that Dan Lanning's taken. And I listened to his press conference on Monday. And he, he was pretty up. front about, hey, we deserve some of this. Yeah. You know, he said, he said that there was a lack of leadership and that he said,

coaches and players. He, he got asked, so I don't know, had you seen the stuff on the internet about whether Dante Moore and some of their linemen are tipping plays where, based on their stances pre-snap, the defense knows if it's a runner or a pass. Dan Lannning, instead of getting defensive about that. said, well, one, he said, okay, sometimes we're trying to bait people with stuff like that because we want them to think we're going to do something and then we're going to hit them with something different. He's like, but based on what we've seen, we do need to police it better

if somebody's tipping whether we're running or passing. And, you know, I think that was an interesting admission because that, that is him saying, yeah, we are doing that and we need to fix that. Yeah. I have, so like with the Ohio, state, Texas, the loser of that game, I've been like, okay, we'll see, they'll be fine. They've played a really good team. It was a close game. This doesn't feel like Oregon's fine, though. This doesn't feel like it was a bad game.

If you remember correctly, and I'm going to remind you, but when Notre Dame lost to NIU, I said the following Monday they're going to make the playoff. But I felt like that was just. Yeah, you're like they're never going to lose again. Yeah. I don't feel comfortable with Oregon now. Like, this is a different. I think this is different.

So you can boil it down to how do you feel after a loss? But what if this loss turns into a disaster of a season? What if this loss turns into a loss at USC in a few weeks? They lose a weird one like in Illinois. And it just turns into like a four loss season. Then I would be like, what the hell happened? Because this was supposed to be the ascension year. Right.

And that's the part that concerns you. is not just the Oklahoma State part. It is the Boise State being able to do, despite having a different offense, being able to do some similar things. And then if you look at the offenses coming to play the Oregon defense, like USC especially, they have a lot of weapons.

UCLA has looked really good so far. That's scary. Ohio State has a ton of weapons. Michigan, eh, that's probably a low-scoring game. But Washington, now they haven't looked great, but DeMont Williams has played well in the past and has been a dynamic QB in the past. So if I'm Oregon, I'm worried that these teams are just going to be able to move the ball up and down the field on me. They've got to figure out how to just get some three and outs, get some shorter drives, let that offense, take some shots, and try to jump on some.

people. And then the other people, there's a clip that's been going around the internet of Dan Lannning sparring with a reporter over Dante Moore not doing the post-game press conference Saturday. I don't play that. Because I'm not worried about

this particular situation. I just want to showcase it as an example of something. So let's play that clip. You believe star quarterback should speak to media after tough losses and what was your reaction when Dante chose not to? Well, I don't think he chose not to. Did you know he's getting an IV?

He's getting two IV. after the game, he's dehydrated. I think that's, I mean, this guy, he'll be speaking to you guys tomorrow. Any question that you want to ask him, you can certainly ask them, but I don't know, if you ever given an interview

while you're getting an IV at the same time and getting treatment? Yeah, but does that make a little more sense? Yeah, that would make a lot. And then there's a bus and a flight you're trying to catch as well. But Dante will be here tomorrow. You can talk to Dante, right?

But he's cramping up on the field. I think the first thing that we're going to do post game is get treatment, right? Have any of our players never, like, not been available to talk? Yeah, that's one. And he was getting two IVs, right, after the game. Got one and then he got another one.

That's a product of being in a tough environment and great heat. He was cramping up on the field. So sorry he wasn't able to give you an interview. You could ask him about it tomorrow. That information wasn't pretty late. Yeah, what should it be? What should it be? Well, private.

So before you write your article, they should say, hey, just so you guys know? Yeah, so we don't misconstruted. Well, you misconstrued it. You could always ask me. Good job. Well, actually, you can't. ask because the coach usually goes first into the players. That's one of those that could have been solved by a sports information person

gathering to beat people around and saying, hey, Dante was getting treatment. That's why he didn't show up. Because the reporter shouldn't be assuming also with the question that Dante Moore just said, I'm not talking to. That was a semi-intagonistic question. So I understand the answer. Yeah. But this is what's interesting about this is we've not seen with Dan Lannning

this level of being questioned and being, you know, are you sure you're doing the right things? He got asked straight out after the game. Do you think it was a bad idea to promote from within for both coordinator jobs? Like straight up. So this is him for the first time as a head coach dealing with real criticism. And it'll be interesting to see how he handles that.

I also think that this is twofold because like the thing with reports, too, and I've been a beat reporter before, is when you go on the road and it wasn't an easy trip from Oregon to Stillwater, Oklahoma, I'm assuming you have to fly into Oklahoma City and then drive a few hours out there. You can fly at Tulsa, too. Either way. You can fly to Tulsa. I don't know how far away Stillwater is from Tulsa, but it's not an easy trip to make. You're not flying from Chicago to Detroit. You do that and you spend all the money to do that, especially with flights and,

gas and all that right now. You're talking about the heatwriters. The beat writer with the, with the intention of being able to properly report and talk to the people who people want to hear from when you go on the road. That said, I also think that if you would have

asked the question, hey, Dante Moore didn't talk to us after the game. What was the decision in, or what went into that not happening? And is that an indication of you much that less adversarial? Yes, like the way he, do you think, like the way that I guarantee you the interaction with landing would have

different. He was probably already on edge because he's upset about what went on. But the question was... This is my point is he's now facing more critical questions, even in a situation like that, where the question didn't have to be critical. Yeah. And, you know, you do want those answers. I want to talk to the quarterback when my team loses the Oklahoma State. But the thing is, now he's going to face critical questions like this. how does he deal with that? Because it is one of the things that it comes with the territory, it comes with the job,

but he has not had to face them because he's done such a good job winning so far. Like, now is the real test. Like, how do you deal with the criticism, but also how do you deal with pulling your team out of the situation it's in? Because they have enough talent to still meet all of their goals for this season. Like, there's no reason they can't do it.

It wasn't just one game. It was two. So we'll see if it turns into three and four and five. Yeah. Yeah. And the schedule's hard. Like, there's no sugar coding. Like, the thing is, it's not just SC.

It's not just going on the road to SC. Like UCLA's offenses look good. Nebraska's looked pretty good the first two games. You got to play them too. Yeah, they dropped a 50 burger on Saturday, didn't they? On Bowling Green, yeah. Or on Bowling Green. So it is.

It's fascinating to watch because, again, Dan Laining has been so freaking good. And I don't want to, I don't want you guys to think that the Oregon fans that were just piling on Dan Lanting here, I just don't know how he handles this because he's never had to handle it before. I, now we'll see. I suspect he'll handle it fine. I regret not asking this about the Ohio State segment, but I think it also pertains to Oregon. So can we wrap up both of these? second. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

I think that being the head coach at a program like Ohio State or Oregon is all about built up equity. And I think that Ryan Day clearly has more equity than Dan Lanning because they beat Oregon on the road and they ended up ultimately winning the national championship. And when you win the national championship, I think that you get a certain level of benefit of the doubt for the subsequent years after. repetitive the subsequent years but when is it appropriate to start questioning whether ryan day should be more criticized for his coaching when you win a championship how many years do you get before you're allowed to start asking tough questions again of the guy and how long do you think it will be before dan landing is worthy of the same type of critical questions about his leadership because you're always as a coach constantly proving that you are fit to be the leader of that

program. How long do Brian Day have and how long does Dan Lannie have in your mind? So it goes back to what I say about Davos Sweeney all the time. If Davos stops coaching today, he's one of the greatest coaches of all time and I would be very defensive of him toward any criticism. As long as he takes a check to coach, and especially a giant check like the one he takes, all that criticism is valid if he's not earning that paycheck. So the same goes for Ryan Day and the same goes for Dan Lanning. Every time that direct deposit hits their account, they are susceptible to being criticized if they don't meet the extremely high standard that they and the people who run their program have set for them. So now.

Just, I mean, yeah. I mean, it's just like us. Like every show we do. If our show sucked, you're more than welcome to tell us it sucked. If it was great, tell us it was great. But like, we put ourselves out there every day. And if we suck, we deserve to be told that. Ryan Day was not criticized with the,

was not criticized last year commiserate with the failure that that team had because they won the championship the year before. Correct. Correct. And look, if we have a couple million view videos and, you know, do some big ad deals. Like we'll probably be able to pull off some clunkers. Yeah, we'll be able to pull off some clunkers too.

But the interesting thing about Ryan Day's whole existence is that he hasn't gone to season that I can remember at Ohio State without having a huge failure. He's probably not going to. It's going to be like what Signetti in Indiana did last year was really hard. Yeah. I don't know how many teams are going to be able to do that. You get to fail now more often than you used to, too. Let's forget that like the playoff expanded.

after he took the job. But, you know, yes. It'll be very interesting to track this because if Ohio State and Oregon pile up extra losses, it's going to get hotter. Yes, agreed. Agreed.

All right, let's talk about a guy who's just roundly criticized all the time, but apparently not by us today. Ari, this comes from one of our absolute favorites, Lori. You've heard her questions with Dear Andy Deer Ari. You know about the coaching carousel key party from last year,

That's not what she meant to create, but she did. But Lori has a challenge for us this week as LSU prepares to play Ole Miss. So here we go. Listening to your look ahead for the LSU at Ole Miss game, and I couldn't keep this to myself. The other day, my client, and this person is a chief sales and marketing officer for a company that no free ads, Lori have this person call us. We could advertise the heck out of their product. But this person was in for a haircut from Lori.

He knows nothing about sports or college football. but during football season, he likes me to fill him in on what's going on with LSU because he has to go down to Louisiana for work, and he likes to at least know the vibe. I had the pleasure of telling him the entire Lane Kiffin at LSU story. It was cathartic. Highly recommended if you ever get to do that to someone who truly knows nothing. The challenge, tell the story, the complete story,

with all the details without making Lane Kiffin and or LSU the bad guy. You don't even need to make him the hero, but you want to send the listener into Louisiana to hang out with Louisianaans with a level-headed opinion about what's going on with their football program. Happy week three, Lori. Okay.

Ari, let's try to do this. How do we tell the Lane Kiffin's story without making him the villain? Just tell it the way he's been trying to tell it. Right? Okay. Like, just use his version of it. Okay.

So Lane Kiffin was an incredibly, successful college football coach at Ole Miss. Him being in Oxford had been really great for him. He had changed his life. He had stopped drinking. He felt like... He found yoga? Yeah, found hot yoga.

And that maybe he needed the town more than the town needed him. But sometimes you grow out of a place, you grow out of a job, and you want to try a new challenge. And so there were a car. couple interesting job openings. There was Florida and there was LSU and Lane, of course, did his due diligence with both of those. He talked to the folks from Florida, left many, many voice memos apparently that I would love to hear someday. And then after careful consideration, decided he should focus his interest on LSU. And, you know, that's a program

that historically has been able to recruit great talent. Kids in Louisiana grow up wanting to be tagas, and there's a lot of really good players in LSU, and it feels like the kind of place that you can build a roster year after year that can compete for national titles. In fact, three of the previous four coaches at LSU won the national title. One of those was Nick Saban. Yes. It has to be mentioned, too, that this job that came open, LSU happens to be

one of the jobs that everybody in the industry wishes they could have one day. Yes. It's like a dream job for people in his industry. Continue. So now when he decided to take the job, the cruelty of the college football world is that the calendar is built around the semester system. And it really is inconvenient for those who work in the industry. Because if you'd like to take another job, you can't wait until after the college football

playoff to do that unless you're going to take an NFL job. But if you would like to get the LSU job, the LSU job was open in November, they wanted to have a new coach by National Signing Day, which was early December. So if you don't take the job, it goes away and you may never get a chance to take that job again. So he had to choose, did he want to coach at Ole Miss through the playoff, or did he want to take the LSU job? The Ole Miss people told him that he had to go, that he couldn't do both jobs at the same time. I don't know why they would do that. I mean, LSU, the coach,

they don't play in the, oh, way, they do play in the same league. They do consider themselves rivals. But, you know, you could have just let Lane Kiff and coach, right? Am I wrong? He was so willing to see that championship run through that he was going to sacrifice his head start of building LSU. He was going to sacrifice the beginning of his next job. to make sure that he saw the obligation and the commitment that he made to be players on the team that he was already coaching.

How could he possibly leave them too soon for a better opportunity? He wanted to stand by them and sacrifice the beginning of this next step to be a good dude and stay put. And also he may have invited some of those players to come with to LSU afterward, as one does to players they love. Because he's paying it forward because they're going to have better paying opportunities. and why would you want to stifle your own player's potential of growth and income? Monetary income.

Yeah. Is that the whole story? That's pretty much the whole story, right? And then after he left. Oh, wait. Wait, you forgot about the other part. He was so complimentary of Ole Miss and said that both sides won out on the deal. And then as recently as this week also referred to his former program as the built up so well that they are positioned to be viewed as the favorites coming into this game.

And he was graceful enough to allow both of their best players to stay so that they can continue on with the continued trajectory that he had set up. By the way, he loved his players at Ole Miss so much that there were. two guys who, through no fault of their own, did not get an extra year of eligibility to play college football, even though common sense would tell you they should have. And so because they didn't know they might have a chance to go to court and get another year of eligibility, they entered the NFL draft. They went undrafted, but they did sign with some teams and and went to training camp and tried to make it in the NFL. And turns out they didn't make it.

And Lane, being the stand-up guy he is, wanted to give them another chance to play football. Because the courts were going to let people from the class of 2022 have a fifth year, depending on the judge, of course. But if you, you know, Lane probably could help give some advice about what lawyer to hire and where to file the lawsuit. I don't know if he provided that or not, but that's the sort of thing he might know.

And so tried to help these guys out. And you know what? That got him. No good deed goes unpunished, Ari. He got sued by the SEC over that. Yes. And there's one thing that we skipped over that we also forgot. Okay.

Ole Miss's best player also at one point seemed to be out of eligibility. And he also thought in court to get the, All during which Lane Kiffin was rooting him on in the form of public admiration with Trinidad Tobago. Posting, yeah, posting the Trinidad Tobago flag over and over. That this great player that no, in no way could have in any other world, helped LSU. That definitely did not refuse to go to LSU and stay at Ole Miss. But couldn't have helped LSU in any regard, no matter how it turned out or how he felt, got that extra year of eligibility to return to Olmiss. Yeah. I think we've told the story.

What a great guy. Do you know what the sad thing is? Is that a lot of this stuff, too, I don't even blame him for? No, I don't believe. But the thing is, like, I have, the one thing that drives me crazy is, like, I was doing a hit with one of the TV stations in Baton Rouge a few weeks ago. And they asked me, well, what could he have done differently? And I was like, he could have stayed at Ole Miss. And I don't mean through the playoff, like, just keep the Ole Miss job.

Don't take a different job. And they looked at me like I had three heads. Like, what do you mean not take a different job? He could have said, no thank you, Florida, and no thank you, LSU. I am going to stay here where I have built a playoff team. He could have said that. He chose not to. And it's like nobody outside of the Ole Miss fan base.

And this is where this is where. This is where I feel for the Ole Miss people, because nobody seems to grasp that. And the oldest people are like, yeah, you could have just stayed here. I know we discussed briefly on Monday show, Lane Kippen's comments about pressure and who the pressure's on and perceived, you know, which should be viewed as we only won seven games. They've got two Heisman finalists, et cetera. And I wrote a column this morning because I had been stewing over that for 24 hours. And I was actually kind of amused by this.

this viewpoint that both sides won and that everybody's better off and blah blah blah blah blah blah you left the job to go to a place that you deemed was better in every facet and Ole Miss was so much worse that even with the gift of retaining you as a coach

wouldn't have been enough to get them to where LSU is and then you have the gall to get up in front of a microphone the week of the game and talk about how they should be viewed as the favorite. I understand that he spent the previous four or five years building that. I understand that some of the players that are very good on Ole Miss are there as a result of, you know, your work there and that they have a head start. But when you consider the fact that LSU is paying the buyout of Brian Kelly, they're paying your record contract, they're paying

for the number one transfer portal class that brought in 40 plus players, including some of the most expensive players in the entire thing. To sit there and pretend like old Miss is like somehow better off than LSU going into this game is downright insane. And it also undermines your entire decision, which is if that's the case, if Ole Miss should be viewed as better or have the pressure on them, then why the hell did you even leave to begin with? The entire point of you leaving is to go to a place where you can accomplish something that was unaccomplishable in Oxford. And then you're going to tell your own fan base that they are the better team.

That is insane. That is insane. Is it not insane? I don't know why it didn't, it didn't hit me till you. You know what I tell Lori's client about that? Yeah, help me help you. Everybody, everybody won, baby. Everybody won.

But isn't that insane? And I understand that they have two really good players. But like they just spent, how much money did they spend in totality, not just the roster. Did they spend $100 million? A hundred million. on just the whole move? I mean, it's more than that, ultimately.

Ultimately more in the long term. But if you think about how much they're paying Brian. Yeah, they're probably Brian Kelly in installments. So you can't, yeah, you can't do the whole buyout. But like even if you take into account whatever the installments are for this year, Lane Kiffin's contract this year plus the $38 or $40 million of reported income that the players that are on the team are going to make. Oh, you had to pay Scott Woodward's buyout too because you fired him, the athletic director. So they're at least in this whole deal for this year for $50.

million dollars and that's a conservative estimate oh no it's it's i'd say you're closer to closer to 70 like 65 to 70 in totality cash cash outlay this this for this calendar year so to have the the balls to get up there and just be like yeah well look at what they have is absolutely insane and i also wonder too if old miss goes out there and loses speaking of pressure because we didn't get into this nearly enough yesterday. If Ole Miss wins on Saturday, you could still say, well, the long-term ceiling at LSU is better, and that's why he is there. But if they lose with the amount of resources that LSU has dedicated to this specific team, I think that is unequivocal proof that Ole Miss is good enough to accomplish all of the biggest goals that used to be

impossible for middle-tier programs six years ago. And then ultimately, into question whether he made the right decision with his future because that is a place that if they continued on their trajectory would have built him a freaking statue on the phone. Why are you saying that if Ole Miss loses? Sorry, if Ole Miss wins the game. Sorry. If Ole Miss beats LSU, it's unequivocal proof that they have every bit of the ceiling that LSU does because LSU has literally exhausted all of its resources for this team. And then the coach that is the beneficiary of all those resources being exhausted is going to literally say the other team is better off. Are you insane? That is an insane thing to say. Is it not? Like, help me, help me if I'm off here. It's Lane, buddy. So anyway, I bring all the... He's always the hero of his own story.

So I bring all this up to say, if Lane Kiffin, who I think does watch at least clips of our show, were to watch the bit that you and I just did. Maybe not anymore. He's off social media now. Yeah. Wink. If he were to watch the bit that you and I just did,

which is explaining away the story, wouldn't he just be like, yeah, that's what happened. Like in his own head. A hundred percent, he'd be like, finally somebody in the media gets it. Yeah. Which is the entire reason why he drives so many people crazy because that's exactly the story that he would tell you if you asked him the question.

Yes, exactly. All right, one more thing. We got one more voicemail. Not everybody who called us on the Indian Arion 3 hotline was sad. But this one was a little conflicted. which is fascinating to me. Andy and Ari sitting in my pool drinking bourbon, catching up all the games because I was watching my son play baseball today

that I may have been streaming and listening and commenting all the games. Foclema State fan, we beat Oregon. I don't know if you knew that. So I've got a conundrum, and I'm actually serious. do I need to get excited because it's been two years since I've been like this, or do I need to just temper my expectations? I saw how Oregon was last week. I saw how they were this week.

I saw how we were last week, but I saw how we were this week. I don't know, man. Just help me, Ari, help me, Andy, help me, River, help me. What do I do? I just need you to tell me what to do and then I'll do it. You guys are the best college podcast out there, bar none. You're number one. I never delete an episode.

I listen to everyone. You guys are awesome. Thank you for what you do to your bodies to make sure that we enjoy it. I hope you listen to this year the best. First of all, is there a more satisfying moment than on a hot September day sitting in your pool drinking bourbon after watching your team, which had a horrific loss last week, knock off a top 10 team.

That is 11 of 10 perfect day right there. Were those stock photos or did he attach those photos? Those were stock photos, right? Is that Walter White's backyard? Because that's a hell of a setup you got there, pal. The thing that I am very confused with, with Oklahoma State is that, from a one week to week, week one to week two turnaround.

It went from, holy shit, this is awful to, holy shit, this team is amazing. Like, is there a single coach in college football that has had like a, I mean, I guess Ryan Day had a glow up that happened over a six week period from the Michigan loss of the national championship. Right. But from a week to week, how is your Monday going? Like, think about Eric Morris on Monday. Kyle Whittingham.

Kyle winning hands the other one. I mean, I guess, but yeah. God. So nothing is ever as good as it seem and nothing is ever as bad as it seems. I guess that if I were an Oklahoma State fan, I would be super excited by having, you know, something that shows this team has a pulse because the fact of the matter is is that while people did say that Oklahoma State was supposed to be a Big 12 contender

this year, that anything that is remotely close to 500 in the Big 12 would be a huge step forward given the direct that they put on the field the last few years. So I think that like the fact of the matter is is you were looking down at the barrel of of more repeats of feeling like what you felt like last year. And I think this unequivocally shows that Oklahoma State is hugely improved. So I would be really, really good about that. In terms of like your mind carrying you to crazy places, maybe Oklahoma State is actually just really solid. Instead of just not terribly, not terrible or not amazing. Maybe they're just a really solid team.

But like when you think about their future schedule coming on, up. Like, based on what we saw from Oregon, there isn't a team in the entire conference that they can't conceivably beat now. They just beat Oregon. So. There's no team more talented than the one they just beat.

Texas Tech would be the closest. And you would have them at home. And if you have been watching Texas Tech, as I ran into my buddy Clay in the hallway at the daycare this morning, who's a huge tech fan, not feeling real good about the Raiders right now. So, like, I think that I would bask in it. who knows where it's going to go,

but the one thing that you can unequivocally drink to, and I keep saying that word, one thing that you can definitely drink to is the fact that it is not the dumpster fire that last weekend story told. Like you are out of that, you're out of that help. And now you're on to what could the future hold?

And I think that that's a really awesome thing to feel. And the good news for our caller is, no matter what happens, the pool and the bourbon will still be there. Yeah. You know the one thing that I don't have and I don't think I'm ever going to have, maybe when I'm older,

but the peak of existence and you have it to is your own pool in your backyard. I'm not going to lie. Well, who was it? Oh, I remember who it was we were talking to. We were talking to Kirk Ferrence at Big Ten Media Days,

and we asked him if he had any hobbies and he said, I don't know, drinking beer in the pool. And I was like, oh, me and Kirk Ferris are the same person. That's not what I had in my bingo card today. I think I'm more, I'm more interested

in personal possessions than you. Like, I like buying things. Have you ever purchased anything in your entire life that has given you more of a payout or gratification than in your pool? No. No. And the pool did not come with the house.

We decided to put it in during COVID. And it probably was extremely expensive during that COVID pool rush. Well, we actually beat the rush, and it got, we were lucky we did it when we did. But the backstores. behind that is a house, a few doors down, went up for sale. And it's a beautiful house. It's like, I want to say it's seven or ten years newer than mine. And they have a gorgeous

pool with this very cool pool house they put in, which we don't have a pool house at ours. But they had done some really cool stuff. Yeah. Yeah. There's never going to be a pool house. But there's there's a house house. That's enough for me. But this is a beautiful house. house and my wife's like should we look at moving there I'm like no god no like just the logistical thought of of packing up everything in our house to move three doors down was just more that I could bear and it would been incredibly expensive that's also the white us out like most no suggestion you've ever heard if anybody has a wife that is the suggestion you would hear from them yeah and so I said after some thought as I went through the financial piece of it because it would have been so expensive to do it.

I said, can we reach a compromise? What if we put in a pool at our house? And she's like, okay, sounds good. And I'm like, wait, that's what you were trying to do in the first. Like, you intercepted this. Yeah, she did that on purpose. And she, congratulations, you played yourself. But like, I got out flanked.

But also, I'm assuming that you've had. had many wonderful evenings with your family or days. And the other thing that is very underrated about a pool that people don't take into account is when that thing is lit up on a beautiful night and you can see it from your living room, it completely changes the aura of your home. So like I've been to your house and I will say that like you have an A1 backyard setup and I'm extremely jealous of it. And I just live in a house that doesn't really have that.

Well, I just need some excuses for pool bourbon. So maybe I don't need an excuse. Maybe I just need to do it. Yes. Sip it, sip it slow, slip it fast. The good thing is,

is that no matter what happens to Oklahoma State this season, it ain't last year. And that's a reason to drink. No, it's not going to be last year. Tulsa was bad, but every week's not going to be Tulsa.

And if every week's not Tulsa, you're going to win quite a few more games. And that's going to be fun. And so there'll be more bourbon, more pool. And that's all you're all you really ask for. R. Call the hotline.

This has been fun, yeah. Yes. If you enjoyed today's show, but you want to be on the next one, call the Indiana on three hotline, 615, 378-8879. Especially if you're really fresh off a game, that's the best time. That's the good stuff right there. You can call us during it if your team's getting blown out.

Yeah, don't. Your team's winning call. Don't bother with the two-hour cool down. Just let it. Yeah. It doesn't have to be sad either. it can also be happy. That's true, but more likely you'll be sad.

But that's okay. But if you're in the pool, sipping bourbon, give us a call. We'll talk to you tomorrow.