Andy & Ari On3 - The NCAA throws Darts Only at Jim Harbaugh | Which non-QBs could win the Heisman??

Episode Date: August 8, 2024

The NCAA has dropped the hammer on Jim Harbaugh. Not that he cares, because he’s coaching in the NFL now. But the saga of Harbaugh never fails to make everyone mad.(0:00-15:33) Intro - Jim Harbaugh Show Cause(15:34-21:46) Darts Only 🎯(21:47-23:27) Illinois' Clean Uniforms(23:28-30:30) Dear Andy, what are the conference tiebreakers?(30:31-40:49) Where should FSU and Clemson go?(40:50-44:54) Non-QBs to Win Heisman(44:55-46:30) Join On3 for $1 for a month! on3.com/join(46:31-49:40) Playing a team 3 times in new era(49:41-55:37) Players we will know by December(55:38-58:02) Oregon, Ohio St 1 Loss a piece when they play or Coaches Poll's 11-16 making SEC title game(58:03-1:01:32) Full Naming Rights?(1:01:33-1:01:50) ConclusionThis four-year show cause with accompanying one-year suspension stems from the Cheeseburgergate case, not the Connor Stalions case. That one remains ongoing. Does Harbaugh care? Probably not. Does anyone at Michigan care? Probably not anymore. Are Ohio State fans still mad? You betcha.Andy also examines the Darts Only phenomenon that has taken over the college football Internet after Colorado’s official Twitter account posted an oddly edited throw. What followed was hilarious, and the videos are still coming.Next, it’s time for Dear Andy, and you have some great questions. Among them…What are the championship game tiebreakers in conferences that have eliminated divisions this year?Are there any non-quarterbacks who can win the Heisman this year?Are Texas and Florida State not really back?Want to watch the show? Head on over to YouTube and join us LIVE, M-F at 8 am et! https://youtube.com/live/9NqZRjk8xrg

Welcome to Andy Staples on three, NCAA penalties edition of the show. That's right. The NCAA has thrown the book at Jim Harbaugh. Unfortunately for the NCAA, the book landed somewhere between Ann Arbor and Los Angeles and did not manage to hit Jim Harbaugh since he is safely ensconced within the Los Angeles Chargers facility. But we now have far more details for this case and some of them are hilarious. So I realize this makes a lot of people mad when we talk about this for a couple different reasons. You know, you've got your Jim Harbaugh cheated. He should be thrown into the sun.

People, mostly Ohio State fans. You've got your Michigan fans who are like, stop persecuting Jim Harbaugh. No. He, I mean, he did what they're saying he did because they laid it out pretty clearly here. It's just, you don't have to care and most people don't ohio state fans care jeffrey in the chat much worse the la chargers paid 80 million dollars for a cheater what does that say about the nfl oh no the nfl is not a paragon of virtue. Breaking news from Jeffrey. Larry in the chat,

quit kissing up to hairball. He cheated and you know it. Well, yeah, but it really depends on how you feel about NCAA rules. And most people don't care unless it's their rival team that is breaking them. Then they want their rival team to be suspended forever. AJ Adams, come on, y'all.

Put your biases aside and honestly tell me that you care about Jim Harbaugh allegedly cheating. Again, fans of rival schools care because they want to see their rival suffer. If their own school were accused of the same thing, well, they defend them to the old. Oh, wait, we know this because we watched it happen with Ohio state and Jim

Trestle, because when this comes down to it, it's not about Jim Harbaugh meeting with prospects on campus during COVID, because that's what the beginning of this was. The severity of the penalties that were handed down is because the NCAA is accusing Harbaugh of lying to the NCAA. Same thing that happened with Trestle.

Both of them got caught lying to the NCAA. If Jim Trestle had gone, you know what? Yeah, there's some guys that were trading their trinkets for tattoos and cash. Then he wouldn't have gotten fired at Ohio State. Instead, they said, we hear this is going on. What do you know about this? Nope, never heard of it. But we have this email here. Oh, crap. Exactly. Bruce Pearl, when he was at Tennessee, lying about whether Aaron Kraft was at a cookout. It was not a barbecue.

It was a cookout. That's what it is. Because the NCAA can't really punish for, or at least punish severely for a lot of these things, because a lot of them are just kind of trivial, but they can punish severely for lying to the NCAA. And that's what they're doing here. So in this particular case, Jim Harbaugh gets a four-year show cause, and this is written kind of weird. I would actually like a little clarification on this

because in the NCAA report, it says the four-year show cost suspends him from all athletically related activities, which sounds like a four-year suspension. But then it goes on to say he has a one-year suspension where he couldn't communicate with coaches or be in the building. And I can't quite figure out, would it be a one-year suspension and then he's back to coaching? Or would it be four years where there are restrictions where he couldn't recruit or there are certain things he couldn't do? That would be an interesting thing to know if it actually mattered. But it doesn't matter because he's the coach of the Los Angeles Chargers now. And I know you've got the folks who are going to say, well, Jim Trestle had his suspension follow him into the NFL because he was going to be a consultant for the Colts.

And then the Colts wouldn't let him be a consultant until after game seven, I believe. That was incredibly stupid. The Colts did that proactively. The NFL went along with it. Again, all of that was stupid. They should have just let Jim Trestle work. But this is a very different time. Back then, people still believed somewhat in the NCAA.

Now they realize what the NCAA is. As Jim Harbaugh's attorney pointed out, a serial violator of the Sherman Antitrust Act. Woody in the chat i think this is the ncaa gauging public opinion with the hardball punishment and they when they are determining the punishment for more yes more is only accused of level two but is a repeat offender i don't think they're doing that i don't think they're they're testing the waters on any sort of sharon more thing I think all that's going to happen later. The makeup of the committee on infractions may change by the time they get to that case. But Zach in the chat. See, Zach doesn't even know what case we're talking about.

Not a rival of Michigan. I care because it ruins the integrity of the game. The Patriots did the exact same thing and people were just as mad. We're not talking about Connornor stallions we're talking about cheeseburger gate connor stallion stuff has not been adjudicated yet so that remains to be seen hardball is going to get hit for that one too but this is about cheeseburger gate and as the ncaa said it's not just a cheeseburger no No. As we learned reading the report, there was bacon on the cheeseburger too. Here's what happened. This is from the NCAA report.

This is about Harbaugh meeting with a prospect, unofficial visit during COVID when you're not supposed to have recruits in, you're not supposed to be meeting with recruits. I'm reading directly from the report here. The following morning, Prospect 2 and his father met the recruiting director in Harbaugh at a local diner. In an interview with the institution and the enforcement staff, Prospect 2 stated he and his father had, quote, pretty much a one-on-one breakfast with Coach Harbaugh, where they discussed Prospect 2's future

and potentially playing football at Michigan. During the recruiting director's interview with the institution and enforcement staff, he did not specifically recall Prospect 2's visit, but he did remember being present at a breakfast with Harbaugh and the prospect at the diner during the COVID-19 recruiting dead period. The recruiting director also provided an expense report and a receipt showing he paid for breakfast at the diner on February 28, 2021. And the order included a bacon cheeseburger. This mirrored Prospect 2 and his father's account of

the date and time of the meal and the type of food eaten by Harbaugh. Specifically, Prospect 2 recalled that Harbaugh ordered a hamburger for breakfast, which quote unquote kind of stood out for him. Dun, dun, dun! The smoking cheeseburger, everyone! And it's actually a smoking bacon cheeseburger. Harbaugh got asked about all of this to the NCAA investigators. He said, yeah, I said I had no recollection of that, and I would go as

far as to dispute that. He went on to say, I used to have a mind like a steel trap. Now it's more of an aluminum trap, but I would believe in my state that I remember having breakfast at name of diner with name of prospect two and his father or name of prospect three and his father. So I would go dispute that. Correct. And that's, that's the issue. It's, they are accusing Jim Harbaugh of lying to them because they said,

did you do this? Did you meet with this guy here? No, I didn't. Are you sure about that? No, I didn't. Here's the receipt.

Here's the expense report. Are you still sure about that? I don't recall. And I should go back. He said, I don't recall the entire time, which in a court of law is what your lawyer is going to tell you to do. Just say, I don't recall. Because then they can't really challenge you on that.

But the NCAA, not a court of law. If they don't believe you, they don't believe you. And they don't believe Jim Harbaugh. What does that mean? Probably nothing, probably nothing. Because again, he's the coach of the chargers. Now there were a group of people during the, the dance Jim Harbaugh had with various NFL teams this offseason who said, oh, he's definitely, he still might come back to Michigan. No, he was never coming back to Michigan. Hopefully all of this puts that to bed. He was never coming back to Michigan.

He was going to take an NFL job, whichever NFL job was offered to him. And he probably would have been offered more than one. He just, he got down the road with the chargers and that was it. So that was interesting. And, and Michigan kind of jumping through hoops to try to give him a new contract and them saying, well, we, we protect him from the, okay. You're going to have to make sure I'm more than head coach anyway, because you were going to have Jim Harbaugh this year if you had him back. But again, he wasn't ever coming back. But all of this is just very, very funny because we learned it wasn't just a cheeseburger.

It was a bacon cheeseburger. This, by the way, will be my new Bruce Pearl. It was a cookout not a barbecue so that's what happened there will be more of this because the connor stallion stuff again has not been run through the whole system yet This is just the cheeseburger gate stuff. And yes, I will keep calling it cheeseburger gate NCAA. Your whole case has got a freaking cheeseburger. It's how you cracked it. You should be proud. Like, hell yeah. We got Jim Harbaugh with a cheeseburger. Now, he got you ultimately because he won a national championship, went to the NFL, and your punishment isn't going to affect him at all, but you did crack the case.

Zach, yes, it was the cheeseburger that turned 29-16 the four years before into 37-3. That's the case we're talking about. Now, if you think Connor Stallions did that, well, maybe. Might have had more to do with firing Don Brown, revamping the offensive staff, making Sharon more the offensive line coach first, then ultimately the offensive coordinator. I think probably that had something to do with it. Christopher Jordan, was there an egg on the bacon cheeseburger that people need to know? This is a great question. See, this is why I love you guys, because you ask the most important question. This is a Dear Andy show, by the way. There will be more Dear Andy later in the show, but we'll start with Christopher's question. Was there an egg on the

bacon cheeseburger? This is something we need to find out because one, it was consumed at breakfast. Also, bacon cheeseburger at breakfast is an aggressive order and I am here for it. Now, I think I would do an egg on this. One, because ordering an egg on your cheeseburger is a power move. Two, because you're doing it at breakfast, it gives it a more breakfast-y feel. The question, Christopher, is what kind of egg would we order? Would we do the fully fried egg? See, I feel like that's more of a lunch or dinner addition to the burger. I think we go over easy egg because it's breakfast. We then lift

the bun off. We crack the yolk, let it run down over the whole bacon cheeseburger. Oh, glorious. Now, if you're trying to meet with a recruit. You're going to get your hands messy. There's going to be egg run in your mouth if you do this. So it's potentially an issue. Christopher Jordan says, egg on a bacon cheeseburger is top tier. No runny egg. No, I think if you're Jim Harbaugh, especially because the egg is the power move, you would have to order the over easy egg. Oh, Nicholas in the chat. Nicholas doesn't understand

the concepts here. We don't care. Nicholas, he knew nothing about how Stallions was getting the signs. Okay, who cares? Nicholas, stealing signs is legal. In game, yes. Not if you send people to other places. And whether you think that's stupid or not, because it was a cost-cutting move in the mid-90s,

it doesn't matter. Nobody cares. Goat Dog weighs in on the important issue. I like the runny egg. Agreed. Agreed. Andrew, again, getting into the important issues. What would be the best choice of side for a breakfast burger? I don't think normal French fries would be the move. I'm thinking breakfast potatoes, not hash browns, but the home fries, breakfast potatoes, that genre. I think that's your perfect side for a bacon cheeseburger at breakfast. I think that would be spectacular. And I hope that's what Jim Harbaugh ordered. Again, I'm going to need some clarification from the NCAA on a few things. One is the four-year show cause suspending him for four years from athletically related activity, or is it that just the one-year suspension and then there's

three years where you still have to say, hey, we're monitoring him, we're taking care of that. This is so objectively funny, though, that they cracked the case with a bacon cheeseburger. God bless the NCAA. Keep trying to prosecute those criminals.

And you do treat them like criminals, even though they've not really done that much wrong. It is interesting because this organization has existed for years to keep athletes for money, and now they can't really do that anymore. So they got to do something to say, hey, we still have some authority. And look, you threw the book at jim harbaugh he's not going to read it but you threw it at him all right moving on we have a trend a new internet trend and this one is quite fun you notice i had in the headline, the NCAA throws darts only at Jim Harbaugh.

If you've been following along on the college football internet, you know that the phrase darts only is a loaded phrase. Why is it a loaded phrase? Because Colorado put out a video the other day. And of course, everything Colorado does blows up. And it said darts only fall camp and it's a it's shador sanders throwing a pass to lejante wester who's the the transfer from

florida atlantic and he catches it in the end zone but the thing that makes this video so interesting and made the internet blow up is the edit so our super super producer, River Bailey, used to work at Tennessee, used to make videos like this. And he told me exactly where the problem lies here because this is actually a good throw. It's a good catch. But if you watch the video,

the video cuts to the end zone. So it starts out behind Shador Sanders and you see him throw the ball. And then the video cuts to the end zone so it starts out behind Shador Sanders and you see him throw the ball and then the video cuts immediately to the behind the end zone shot of Wester catching the ball it looks like they took a pass that maybe was incomplete or maybe hit the ground and cut it with a play where the receiver caught the ball. That's not what they did. Because if you look at the, there is a shot posted from behind the end zone of the entire play. It's definitely the same play, but nobody believes you because you edited it poorly. And boy, did the internet have a field day with that. Every other team in America has put out a darts only video at this point. It started with Arkansas.

You got Taylor Greene making the throw. And then all of a sudden, it goes from being a mid-range throw to a bomb on the other side of the field, Missouri did it. Brady Cook makes the throw. Maybe that was the same one. They were just making fun of the edit. The Maryland one is hysterical because you've got the quarterback in warm-ups just making a five-yard throw, and then it cuts to a 50-yard bomb being caught in the end zone.

Idaho? This is the best one yet. The throw begins inside the Kibbe Dome, and somehow it's caught outside on the practice field. Incredible. Incredible work by the Idaho social media team. The Big Ten Network put out one with Nebraska, and I guarantee this has just been broken down a million different ways by Nebraska fans because of the Dylan Riello throw.

And obviously it's a little, little just soft toss and warmup that turns into a long bomb touchdown. The best, probably, though. Iowa's the best football version. The best is the one from Seton Hall basketball that produced its own darts-only video. Half-court shot. Quick cut.

Two quick cuts, actually. two ball going through the basket the internet is undefeated don't try to mess with the internet poor colorado like whatever social media person the video person who created that edit for Colorado, they're just trying to show a nice Shador Sanders throw. But they should have known. If you're going to make that cut right before the catch, they should have known. Oh, Andrew in the chat pointing out something I missed. In the Idaho clip, the person who catches the ball is a quarterback who threw it. Oh, that's tremendous.

That is tremendous. Amazing, amazing work. All of you social media teams, I tip my cap to you. Listen, I get that everybody was looking for reasons to make fun of Colorado. This one, they probably don't deserve it because, again, there is a video you can watch where that is clearly Shadur Sanders making that throw, LeJonte Westwood making that catch. But, yeah, don't cut the video right before the catch.

Just don't do it. Don't do it. But I will say this. The college football internet, and this is proof that the college football internet is just more fun than the NFL internet. Because the college football internet is having a lot of fun with this. We've made a big joke about it. But no one is using it to make any sort of grand assumptions about the season. The NFL Internet, they take these random clips from camp, like one rep, two reps, and decide how the whole season is going to go for whatever this team is.

And I'm proud of us as a college football internet that we haven't gone there yet. We haven't done that. We just use things to make jokes. And that's the way it should be. Like, I'm sure that Dylan Raiola has made some nice throws in camp. I'm sure he's made some bad throws in camp. I'm sure that receivers have dropped balls in camp. But we haven't taken the random snippet of practice video and just said, well, that's it for the season.

These guys are going to suck. Or these guys are going to win the Heisman and win the national championship. And I appreciate that. I'm proud of you guys. I'm proud of us. Good job, us. One more thing before we get to De'Ariani. And this one, I love this. Love it. If you've not

seen the new Illinois throwback uniforms that they're going to wear against Michigan this season, they are spectacular. So it's a tribute to Red Grange. So they look like 20s era uniforms. They have a guy in Nebraska who painted the helmets who look like leather helmets. Like they should just keep wearing these. And then the jerseys have the striping on the torso. And then they go down to the solid color pants, just beautiful uniforms. If you remember, Texas A&M did a uniform similar to this back in 2014. That was really cool. But this is an even, this takes it even farther because the helmets really do look like they're

made of leather. And there's a video that Illinois posted where they interview the guy who does the airbrushing of the helmets. And he does it like this is all done by hand. It's tremendous. Absolutely tremendous. I love these uniforms. Just wear them all season. Like seriously, those are works of art. Wear those things all season, Illinois. Please, please, please. But they're wearing them for the rededication of Memorial Stadium, which has not been named for a rapper yet as far as I know. But this is so freaking cool. So please wear those as often as you can.

Sincerely, everybody in college football. The whole college football internet. We would love it if you just wear those. All right. Now it is time for your questions. My favorite part of the whole week. Dear Andy, I do love this part. Now we've already been answering some questions because we had lots of questions earlier in the show about what Jim Harbaugh should have done with his bacon cheeseburger that he ordered while meeting with the recruit when he wasn't supposed to be meeting with the recruit. And I think those were great questions. But I think these are even better.

We'll start with one from JT that is, I think, very important. Dear Andy, you have rightly flagged that conference tiebreakers are going to be a central figure in the race for conference title games and by extension the playoff. We've already seen a conference change of, or I am clarified these during a season. Yes, we did see that with the Big 12 last year. With the sweeping changes to this beloved and outrageous sport, this one hasn't received much attention in the Big 10 and the SEC where it is new. I appreciate you highlighting its importance, and my question is simple. What the hell are the

tiebreakers? That is a great question. And we don't know yet in the Big Ten and the SEC. Now, the SEC has said that one of the tiebreakers will not be college playoff selection committee rankings. College football playoff selection committee rankings will not be college playoff selection committee rankings. College football playoff selection committee rankings will not be a tiebreaker used to figure out who plays in the conference title game for the simple reason of they've got to know by Sunday. So you'll have your final regular season games. So that'd be your Iron Bowl.

You've got Oklahoma and LSU playing that last week at Texas and Texas A&M playing in that last week. So you'll have those games get played. The SEC needs to know the next day who's going to be playing the title game. So you can't wait till Tuesday when the college football playoff selection committee rankings come out. So that's out. So we know that's not happening in the SEC. I'm assuming it's not happening in the Big Ten either for the same reason. But neither league has given us their tiebreakers yet.

I assume they will fall somewhere along the lines of what the ACC does and what the Big 12 does. But no specifics yet. Christopher Jordan coin flip has entered the chat. Only if you do it at a gas station like they do in Texas high school football. Goat dog, make some fans fight it out. That would be interesting. Single combat to determine who makes the conference championship game.

Like you pick your toughest fan and somebody else picks their toughest fan and they meet on the SEC network or on the Big Ten network in a duel. Well, probably not a duel to the death. I don't think they're interested in making snuff films, but you could have whatever rules for the fight you want. And the winner's team goes to the conference championship game. We may need something like that. With these schedules, with these huge conferences, there's going to be some weird situations down the line where teams haven't played one another.

They don't have as many common opponents as you might think. And it's going to be difficult to determine who's playing for the conference championship. But they're going to have to figure it out. I can't wait to see what they do. I can't. Now, what's interesting is that they've tried so hard, all of these leagues,

to make sure their conference title games remain relevant. That's what the buys are for. That's why those buys are built in. That's why top four seeds only go to conference champions. They want those conference title games to be relevant because they are big money makers. But this will probably result in a situation that somewhat negates that.

You already have Big Ten and SEC coaches going, hey, maybe I don't want to play in that conference championship game. Maybe I just would rather be number five or number six and do it that way. If I'm going to have to have a tough game anyway, I'll have a less tough game doing it that way. Christopher in the chat, mascot fight is a good one i do like that oh that's from nathan our friend nathan wants the mascot fight i like the mascot fight although they're certainly like okay in the acc doesn't a hurricane just beat everything and also or or do you actually have the costume

sebastian the ibis going up against osceola or going up against the you know the clemson tiger because i i don't know i'm probably taking sebastian in that one too the actual hurricane beats everything but but I think the costume Sebastian probably beats most things too. That's the best we've come up with. So conferences, try to beat that. See if you can beat that. Go dog, make the presidents fight. Yes. University presidents. I'm thinking MMA, not boxing. So university presidents, like, I love if, like, some 80-year-old president does Muay Thai.

Like, let's make that happen. Papa Irish, the worst place to be in the new playoff is to be the loser of a conference championship game. Don't get a bye like the winner of the teams. And you, unlike the other teams, didn't get in without playing one. Yeah, exactly right. The loser of a conference championship game gets screwed. My concern in this case is would the committee drop the loser of the conference championship game behind the third place team from that conference in the seedings? Because that would be ridiculously unfair in most cases.

Now, if they played and the team that's behind them won, maybe not. But if there was a head to head win, the team that was behind probably would have made the conference championship game instead. So it is going to be a very strange situation at the end of the year in some of these conferences going forward. But I'll take it because I don't think divisions were necessarily that helpful either. Because when you had super unbalanced divisions, you had teams just basically building their teams to win the bad division. And that doesn't do anything like winning the bad division creates a crappy conference title game and doesn't really help you actually win the conference. So I would prefer this one versus two. I just know it's going to

get a little, it's going to get a little sticky. Next question comes from Brian and it's a three part, three part question from Brian. We'll start with number one. Where should Florida State and Clemson go when they leave the ACC? Now, we don't know if they're leaving yet. I keep saying, yes, I think they will. I think the ACC will come up with a number, and they will pay their way out eventually. But the ACC is going to fight like hell until there's really no other option than to settle this thing.

I don't know how long that's going to take. But let's say it's happened. They can pay their way out. Where would they go? I can tell you where they should go and who should take them. Whether that entity will do it is another question. The big 10 should take Florida state and Clemson. And it's a very simple reasoning here.

And Fox should be pushing this to happen. Here's why. Look at the Big Ten schedule in its totality. Look at it week by week. Look at the games. Now compare it side by side with the SEC schedule in its totality and week by week. The SEC schedule for a viewer is a lot better than the Big Ten schedule. The SEC schedule is sometimes going four a lot better than the Big Ten schedule. The SEC schedule is sometimes going four and five deep in good games. The Big Ten schedule, sometimes it doesn't get past three. If you could sprinkle Florida State and Clemson across the Big Ten schedule,

it would look a lot more similar in terms of bangers to the SEC schedule. But right now, the 16-team SEC is still a much better product than the 18-team Big Ten. You could go a long way toward closing that gap if you're the Big Ten, if you added Florida State and Clemson. Now, you'd have to get the Big Ten presidents to agree to that. Remember, the Big Ten has only taken teams or schools that were members of the AAU. That's not youth basketball. That's the Association of American Universities, a prestigious group of research universities. Now, Nebraska was an AAU member when it was admitted to the Big Ten. It has since been booted out of the AAU add Florida State, Oregon, Clemson, Michigan, Florida State, Penn State, Clemson, Ohio State. Those are games that everybody in the country wants to watch. Nathan in the chat, the Big Ten needs to leave a spot for Notre Dame. Of course,

the Big Ten and the SEC and the Big 12 and the ACC, they're all leaving a spot for Notre Dame. All of them would love Notre Dame. If Notre Dame said, hello, we would like to join a conference right now, they would all take them immediately. There would be no debate. But Notre Dame doesn't want to join a conference. The way the college football playoff has been set up makes it where Notre Dame doesn't really have to join a conference in football. But yes, they would all take them. But to answer Bryant's question, the Big Ten would be the logical choice. And then if you're the SEC, you have to make a decision. Do you want the Big Ten encroaching on your geographic

footprint by taking those two? And is it worth it to you to take them just so the Big Ten can't have them? Because if you add those two to the SEC schedule, it gets even better. Now, you'd have to be able to pay for it if you're the SEC and you have to get Disney to shell out some more money because if you're the SEC, you don't take anything that's going to make you

give less money to the current members. So that would all have to get worked out. But I think it would make more sense for the Big Ten to do it. I think it's more important for the Big Ten to do it because they need it. The SEC doesn't really need it. Now, I can see the SEC taking North Carolina, trying to take Virginia. Those are the ones that I've always been told that's who the SEC would love to take. From a football fan viewership standpoint, I think that's a bad idea. I don't think that makes the football product any better. Might make the basketball product better. Adds houses to the footprint, but I'm not sure geographic footprint matters as much.

But I could see that happening. If the Big Ten were to take those two and the ACC, you know, the schools that could pay their way out of the ACC did. I could see the SEC trying to grab North Carolina, try to grab Virginia. But we'll have to see what happens. we will not find out for a while what's going to happen there there was a ruling in this case or in one of the cases there's multiple cases involving the ACC in these schools but in the state of South Carolina the Clemson lawsuit against the ACC a judge ruled earlier this week one of Clemson's causes will not go forward. The rest of it will in the state of South Carolina. So you've got the ACC suing Clemson

in North Carolina, the ACC suing Florida State in North Carolina, Clemson suing the ACC in South Carolina, Florida State suing the ACC in Florida. All of those cases still ongoing. And you've got the fans of each school like, see, we're winning. And then the people who are fans of schools who do not want the ACC to break up because their school would probably be in big trouble at that point are saying, no, this should be adjudicated in North Carolina. Well, do you think that a judge in South Carolina is going to let a very important case that involves one of the large state universities in their state with hundreds of millions of dollars hanging in the balance? Do you think that judge is going to be like, no, let's let North Carolina decide that? Let's be real here, people. Obviously, all politics are local. So yeah, the judge in South

Carolina did exactly what the judge in Florida did. It makes sense. Phil was thinking after I started talking about Notre Dame, asked, how competitive would Notre Dame be in the SEC? Say, strap the Tennessee schedule on them. How many wins? Well, the Tennessee schedule for Notre Dame would be harder than this year's Notre Dame schedule. But I think Notre Dame could handle that okay. I mean, I would look at this schedule

with Notre Dame's roster. Now, it sucks that Charles Jagasaw is out for the season, but I could see a 9-3 or a 10-2 result out of this schedule. If you're 10-2, you're probably making the playoff. Now, the current Notre Dame schedule, I think they probably need to go 11-1 to be an at-large in the playoff unless everybody else just isn't very good or unless some of the other teams on this schedule do have great years. Like if let's say Louisville's back in the ACC championship game,

let's say floor state also makes the ACC championship game. Let's say USC outperforms what Vegas thinks they're going to do. And as one of the better teams in the big 10, all of a sudden, then you could go 10 and two against the schedule maybe and get into the playoff. But on paper, the way it is now,

it looks like you need to go 11 and one. If you flip that and gave them Tennessee schedule, I think you could go 10 and two against that schedule and make the playoff. And I think they could, I don't think it's a gimme. I think you're looking probably if I did a range, if I,

if I had Notre Dame playing Tennessee schedule and I did a ceiling floor situation, I think my ceiling would be 11-1. My floor would be 8-4. Maybe 7-5. Because that NC State game out of conference is very tricky. Kentucky, we don't know how good they're going to be. But I think I'd probably go 8 and four for the floor and 11 and one

for the ceiling. 11 and one would be the best case scenario. But yeah, I think they could be competitive. I think Notre Dame could be competitive in the Big Ten or the SEC, but I don't think they're coming. I think they got a pretty good situation here and I don't think they want to want to rock it. Their former athletic director, Jack Swarbrick, helped design this version of the playoff. Part of the reason it's designed the way it is, so Notre Dame does not have to join a conference in football. Teddy says, do you believe the Florida Gators should be in the playoffs if they go 9-3 with that schedule? It depends on how the three go but yeah i mean i think florida is is a team that if you go nine and three you could absolutely argue that they should make the

playoff i think they would have a strength of schedule argument a quality wins argument that would probably trump quite a few other teams if they're nine and three. The question is like, if you're nine and three, do the three teams you lose to, are those the only other ones making the playoff? Like, did you beat any playoff teams?

Cause I think if you've beaten a playoff team, your argument is bolstered considerably. So let's say that if the, and the thing is to go nine and three, like they're going to have beat miami or florida state probably to to get to nine and three uh they would probably have to beat lsu or all miss one of those two or tennessee yeah i think there's a good chance if they were nine and three they would make the playoff now can they get were nine and three, they would make the playoff. Now, can they get to nine and three is the question. This is a team, Vegas has them at 4.5 on the win total. I think they need to worry about being bowl eligible. I think that's the progress they need to worry about making. If they can do better than that, great, but they got to worry about being bowl eligible first.

Then you can talk about nine and three and making that argument. But they are definitely one of the teams that I would consider that argument. But remember, Bryant had a three-part question. So let's move to part two of Bryant's question. Do you think there are any non-QBs who can win the Heisman this year? I do. I don't think it's likely. I think you look at the recent history, quarterbacks dominate Heisman Trophy voting. Devontae Smith in 2020, very special case, came out of nowhere.

If you weren't paying attention, if you were paying attention, you knew Alabama had a bunch of first QB options in 2015, other than Deshaun Watson, who's actually who I had number one on my ballot that year. But let's say all the quarterbacks kind of wash each other out or there's no just great quarterback. Ollie Gordon II, I think is the first thing that comes up the Oklahoma state running back, because this is a guy who was probably the best back in the country last year. If Oklahoma state wins,

the big 12 makes the playoff. It's because Ollie Gordon had a great season. It's because he ran for probably between 1500 and 2000 yards, maybe more than 2000 yards. And yeah, I would think he would be very high in the Heisman voting at that point. Travis Hunter at Colorado, because of the two-way part. If he's Colorado's best receiver and Colorado's best corner, you have to consider him. Even if Colorado is not very good, you have to consider him because how often do we see players like that?

Charles Woodson won the heisman by being a great corner by also being a great kick returner and occasionally being a good wide receiver but he didn't have huge receiving numbers like travis hunter could have monster receiving numbers and be their best corner and be one of the best corners in the country. So even if Colorado is six and six, if he is that good at receiving, he has a thousand yard receiving season and is their best corner, he's got to be up on balance. He's got to be. Donovan Edwards at Michigan, I think that's an

interesting one because the performance has just been kind of up and down. But if you get multiple performances similar to what he did in the national title game, then you're going to have Donovan Edwards getting votes. Ohio State's interesting. So if you go non-quarterback, you've got the Travion Henderson, Quinshawn Judkins duo at running back. Now, one of those would have to put up just dominant numbers. The other one would not be putting up

dominant numbers, most likely, if somebody's putting up Heisman-type numbers. I think, ideally, if you're Ohio State, you don't really want one being the bell cow and one not really doing much because it means you're probably not getting you don't really want one being the bell cow and one not really doing much because it, it means you're probably not getting the most out of both. And so like, ideally you'd want like each one running for like 1100 yards. And you're, if that happens, I don't think anybody's stopping Ohio state's offense. I think that's a pretty scary offense because remember they also

have very good receivers. The receiver who is the most decorated so far at Ohio State is Emeka Buka. But if you talk to people around Ohio State, Jeremiah Smith, the freshman, is the one who I think would get the Heisman love if he turns out to be what he's hyped to be. And it sounds like he's not only living up to the hype, he's surpassing it in practice. So I'm excited to see him. We'll talk a little more about him later. Another couple of guys, Luther Burden III at Missouri, the receiver, Tetra Roy McMillan at Arizona, another great receiver. Those are the ones that I would watch as potential non-quarterback Heisman guys. But again, if you said,

Andy, is it going to be a quarterback or the field of positions? I'm going to say a quarterback. The last question from Bryant, what are the biggest differences in the recruiting websites? Well, listen, I'm not going to bash the competition here. I'm just going to tell you why

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I ended up playing Utah three weeks in a row to end my season. The last game of the regular season, a Big 12 championship after we each had one loss. Again in the CFP after they won their first round game as a low seed. If there are matchups that occur three times and we're sick of it, could you foresee the actual college football playoff selection committee changing anything minor to prevent this from happening? P.S. Playing as those big beefy U's three times in a row was a nightmare. This is a great question, and I sent this to Ben Howell Miller, who is in charge of the EA Sports College football video game, because he had said

in our interview with him back in May, you're going to go through this stuff for the first time in the video game. Before it happens in real life, we're going to see these scenarios in the video game. And this is a scenario that could happen in real life where you could have teams play essentially three games in a row. Well, at least for one team, it'd be three games in a row. And then for the other, it'd be three times in four games. And yeah, would the committee do something to avoid this? The NCAA Basketball Selection Committee has some rules to try to keep conference opponents from meeting in the first couple rounds. Could they potentially tweak this? I don't know that they're going to try to tweak this.

I think they're just trying to match up best on best. Well, it's not best on best. It's misseated intentionally to promote conference champions. But I think this is a bug that could pop up. Ohio State and Michigan, I think, is a good example of this. They could play at the end of the season. They could play in the Big Ten championship game, and they could very well see each other again in the quarterfinals.

But I think it takes a lot of circumstances for that to happen. And the assumption I mentioned, that's probably the easiest one with Ohio State Michigan, because we know they're always going to play at the end of the season. So I think conferences, if they have teams that are traditionally making the playoff, competing for the playoff, they might keep them off that final weekend. They just might move where they play, not Ohio State, Michigan, because they're going to play that week every year. like Utah and UCF. If Utah and UCF are frequently competing for the playoff, the Big 12 is going to make schedules where they don't play in the final week. If they play, they'll play earlier,

and then you don't necessarily have to run into that. But Christopher Jordan in the chat, can you imagine three straight Iron Bowls? It is possible. It is certainly possible. Goat dog. Within 11 years, we've gone from the BCS to 14 playoff to 12 team playoff. That timetable is crazy.

And yes, remember, they're already talking about adding two more starting in 2026. Here's a question from Caleb. And I also answered this one in the written version of Dear Andy. This is the only overlap with the written version of Dear Andy. So if you want to go read that at on3.com, it is up now. We also have a great random ranking from Crawford. His daughter has a wedding scheduled on the day Florida plays Georgia in Jacksonville. He's already checked out the wifi in the facility. So I ended up ranking the, well, I did two rankings because he asked for the best wedding songs. And I, there's two types of wedding songs. You've got your, your reception dance floor

fillers. So I went with, with those, but also your happy couple first dance song. So I did the top 10 of each of those. So that's in the written version of dear Andy, but also this question from Caleb. And he tagged me in this post that said, what player on your college football team will we all know about in December? And that's a great question. And it's interesting because I feel like I have to think about it a little differently now that I'm at on three. At my old stops, I would have just loaded this list down with freshmen because I don't assume there that everybody's followed recruiting very closely here.

I assume most of the people reading have followed recruiting very closely. And so when I say Jeremiah Smith from Ohio state is probably one of the breakout guys this year, a lot of people at On3 or readers of On3, subscribers to On3 are going to go, yeah, we know. He was the number one recruit in the class of 2024, for goodness sakes. But they don't always come on and make that instant impact. We are expecting Jeremiah Smith to make that instant impact, to be a household name by December. He's not the only freshman receiver that we're thinking about along those

lines. Cam Coleman from Auburn is another one. Cam Coleman is kind of the great hope at Auburn because, you know, Ohio state, let's be real, has been wide receiver. You for the last few years,

Auburn's never been wide receiver. You Auburn's been dying for someone who could make a big difference at this position. And Cam Coleman seems like the type who can all the, the hype of him as a recruit seems to be living, you know, he's living up to it as a player at Auburn right now, as he practices. Now, the other group that I'd like to get into. I do think there's going to be some people who haven't heard of these guys yet. You're going to know them though. They've already made their mark in college to a point, but because they were playing at a lower level, you're not maybe as aware of them as you should be. The first guy is Trey Moore. Who's an edge rusher. He's at Texas.

Now he was at UTSA last year. He had 14 sacks last season for UTSA. And Texas, we talked about the interior of their defensive line last year. Tovandre Sweat and Byron Murphy, obviously, very high draft picks this year. We're probably going to be talking about the edge this year, and Trey Moore is going to be one of those guys that we talk about. This is a guy who's practicing against Kelvin Banks every day. He can beat Kelvin Banks at practice, and there are not many people who can beat Kelvin Banks. And guess what? Texas isn't playing against every team on a schedule where

they've got a Kelvin Banks. Now, Georgia, they've got guys on that level. Texas A&M might have some guys on that level, but every game Texas plays isn't going to be like that. Trey Moore is going to eat this year. Another one, if you listen to our most impactful transfer show, this is one Cody Belair talked about quite a bit. Chris Mitchell, the receiver at Notre Dame. They needed dynamic receiving targets. They're going to have more.

Jaden Greathouse, if he's healthy this year, just they needed dynamic receiving targets they're gonna have more you know that jayden greathouse if he's healthy this year uh they'll have younger guys who i think should be able to step into bigger roles mitchell evans their tight end is healthy again that he counts obviously as a dynamic receiving target but chris mitchell the florida international transfer he did he's not gonna get to play in pitbull stadium but i think he's going to make quite an impact under the watchful eyes of touchdown Jesus, because this is a guy who had 64 catches for 1100 yards last year. He's going to be able to make Riley Leonard probably look quite a bit better. And I think Notre Dame needs that. Notre Dame needs an dynamic passing game.

They're probably going to be fine running the ball, but they need to be able to throw the ball to beat the best teams on their schedule. Another one, Lance Hurd at Tennessee. So Lance Hurd transferred from LSU. Had he not been at LSU, I don't think he transfers. I think he winds up as the starting left tackle somewhere. But Lance Hurd's in his second year, and he a potential three and done type player. We'll see how that all evolves, but he could be a three and done type player. The problem was at LSU,

Will Campbell and Emory Jones have been starting at tackle. Will Campbell on the left, Emory Jones on the right. Since they were true freshmen, they're going to be three and done players. They're going to be high NFL draft picks. So those two weren't going anywhere. And Lance Hurd needed a place to get on the field. So Lance Hurd goes to Tennessee where he's going to be the starting left tackle. And he's very athletic. They've been trying to upgrade that offensive line. They had a first rounder at right tackle a couple years ago in Darnell Wright. This helps. This is a guy you're going to hear about quite a bit. Another guy, if you listen to that show with Cody Belair, Daquan Finn, the quarterback at Baylor. He comes from Toledo. New offense at Baylor, new quarterback. I think Daquan Finn's going to put up good numbers.

I think he's going to help Dave Aranda keep his job. Christopher in the chat says, keep your eyes on Jarquez Hunter at Auburn. We talked about him with Stanford Steve the other day. That's a running back who can probably benefit greatly from Hugh Freeze taking over the offense. All right, this one comes from DD Wag. Which of the following is most likely?

An SEC team picked 11 through 16, not an 11 and 16 record. The SEC team picked 11th through 16th preseason poll, makes the conference title game. Ohio State and Oregon each with one loss before they meet in the regular season. Or the winner of Indiana versus UCLA finishing top six in the big 10. So the Indiana UCLA thing, I you've heard me say I'm high on Indiana. I like Kirk's and that again a lot. But when I say that I'm talking about them winning six or seven games. I'm not seeing them as a top six,

big 10 team UCLA. Obviously there's a lot of work to be done for Sean Foster. So let's, let's eliminate that one. Ohio state and Oregon each with one loss before they meet. Iowa might be able to take out Ohio State before Ohio State plays. Or maybe. But I don't think so.

Because I think Iowa's offense is going to be better. But I don't know that it's going to be that much better that they can hang with the talent the Buckeyes are going to put on the field. Oregon, there's not really a game that I'm worried about. Like Ohio State, they played Michigan State before they play each other. Jonathan Smith obviously knows Oregon's roster very well. He was Oregon State's coach the last few years, but Michigan State's in a rebuild mode. Boise State, maybe, but I just don't see it. I don't see anybody beating Oregon before they play Ohio State, and I'm not really sure I see anybody beating Ohio State before they play Oregon, so don't know about that one. The SEC team picked 11th through 16th in the preseason poll, so let's go to the coaches poll. Missouri, Tennessee, LSU, and Oklahoma all fit this criteria.

I could see one of them making the SEC championship game. It's not who I'm picking, but I can absolutely see it. It would make perfect sense if one of those made the SEC championship game. And it would make perfect sense if any of those made the SEC championship game. And it would make perfect sense if any of those made the playoff. So that's the one I'm going to pick because while it's not, I don't think it's the most likely situation in the world, it's the most likely of these situations for sure. Last one from our friend Nathan. I feel like with all the talk of naming fields,

we are ignoring the true largest untapped revenue source, full naming rights. Obviously big traditional schools like Ohio State wouldn't go for it, but think about the potential if you're a low-level G5 team. Why settle for Megan D Stadium when you can be the Stallions? FIU can just skip ahead and rename their football team. Why settle for Megan V Stadium when you can be the stallions? FIU can just skip ahead and rename their football team the Pit Bulls, both awesome mascots, by the way. So what would be your best new team name? P.S. You don't need to limit yourself to musical artists plus Phil Knight. Well, this is a tough one, but I don't think it's as easy as you think now obviously

nathan says don't go for the big ones so i can't do the ohio state the ohio state university windshields because remember they have safe light field already not going to do the oregon swooshes you told me you know don't worry about full night so yeah in the in the group of five, you have FIU. You could make them the pit bulls. That would work. Could you do the Akron tires? The Akron steel belted radials? Like how would you handle it?

See, the problem is there's not a lot of products that don't sound awkward here. Because if you're Akron and you wanted to pay homage to the tire industry in town or you wanted one of the tire companies to buy your naming rights. You have to include the company name and a product there, and that's going to get very word salad. So because you can't you can't be like the Akron Goodyear steel-belted radio. Could you be the Akron Goodyears? That might work. The Akron Michelins? The Akron Goodyears has a nice ring to it.

Maybe that would work. This is not a group of five team, but I was thinking about this one. The Arkansas Tyson chicken nuggets. I mean, you already eat Razorback. Like a Razorback is very edible. You could just take the biggest booster and say you're the Arkansas Tyson chicken nuggets. That make you the second form of poultry in the SEC with South Carolina. Well, Jacksonville State. Jacksonville State's the Gamecocks.ltry in the SEC with South Carolina. Well, Jacksonville State.

Jacksonville State's the Gamecocks. They're the other Gamecocks. But who would you sell those rights to? That's the question. Nathan, I'm with you. I understand this would get you a lot more pop for your money. I just think it's going to be too wordy and too weird as pure product placement with the exception of the FIU pitbulls. The FIU pitbulls, you know, we'll have to figure about it. We'll have to figure out what that

could be. By the way, we are going to talk to Scott Carr, the athletic director at FIU on Friday's show. You can hear how all that came together. Joseph in the chat, what happened to the Big 12 naming rights story? That kind of silently went away. No, it did not. They're still talking about it. I just hope they don't do something stupid like call it the All State 12 because they don't have 12 teams. If you want to call it the All-State Conference, just call it the All-State Conference. But don't call it the All-State 12 because that would be dumb. That's it for free advice. Like I said, tomorrow, Scott Carr, the FIU Athletic Director, will tell us

how the Pit Bull deal came together. Plus, one more little surprise for you. We will talk to you on Friday.