Andy & Ari On3 - Utah Valley basketball CLEARED for WAC Tournament after $1M deposit drama | Nebraska players to challenge CSC | Matt Patricia gets PAID | Sherrone Moore’s former assistant calls out Michigan

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

In the world of college athletics, nobody ever really knows where the next crazy thing will happen, and it happened on Tuesday afternoon with the WAC Tournament and Utah Valley. The WAC says Utah Valley owes them $1M in exit fees, and if they don't, then UVU would not be allowed to play in the conference tournament. Andy & Ari breakdown this bizarre situation out of college hoops here.   (0:00) On Today's Episode (1:22) Presenting Sponsor (3:37) Intro: Utah Valley & the WAC Tournament (11:48) Why Utah Valley does NOT have to pay (15:35) Champ Week Update (17:50) WAC Tournament begins today (21:12) Culver's (23:42) Megaboard: Nebraska players set to challenge CSC (35:38) Story: Ari & Uber Eats (38:33) Closing out Nebraska (42:33) Matt Patricia gets PAID (56:09) Sherrone Moore's former assistant prepping for a lawsuit? (1:06:02) Conclusion: Thanks for watching!   After discussing Utah Valley and the WAC, Andy & Ari head over to Nebraska for Megaboard Wednesday. As expected when it originated, a large state is set to challenge the rules of the CSC, and that's what is about to happen. Watch here as Andy & Ari react to the news of a group of Nebraska players challenging the CSC rules.   Next, Andy & Ari react to Ohio State defensive coordinator Matt Patricia getting a raise, making him the highest paid coordinator in all of college football. Is this raise warranted? Andy & Ari discuss.   To close, the guys head up to Ann Arbor where Sherrone Moore's former assistant might be preparing for a lawsuit against Michigan. Andy & Ari discuss the latest out of Ann Arbor.   Andy & Ari are live at Culver’s Game Day Hub in Indianapolis on April 4th, capturing the energy, flavor and hometown pride that make this city come alive on game day. They’re bringing you the best moments from a day filled with games, fans and plenty of Fresh Frozen Custard.   Our show is also presented by BetMGM!   If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works:   1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB. 2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game. 3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sure you use bonus code CFB when you sign up!   Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary.   See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel.   Join On3 today! https://www.on3.com/join   Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtu.be/VzheJl0SLpY   Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari Wasserman Producer: River Bailey   Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today is Andy and Ari on 3 presented by BetMGM. It is a mega board Wednesday. We are all over the On 3 message boards, and we have a lot of stuff to talk about. We start with a ticking clock in a conference basketball tournament. A conference says to a school that's leaving the conference, you owe $1 million or we won't let your teams play. The situation has been resolved. We think. Did the million dollars arrive? We'll talk about it.

Plus, Nebraska players are going to challenge the organization that is supposed to police NIL payments in the new world. They're going to arbitration, baby. And if that doesn't work, it might be going to court. This is a big, big case in terms of player pay. It's not an accident that it's happening in Nebraska. Also, Ohio State has made Matt Patricia the highest paid assistant in college. college football. Ari and I will talk about the job. The former Patriots, D.C. and Lions head coach has done in Columbus so far. Plus, is Sharon Moore's former assistant prepping for a lawsuit? We'll talk

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One million dollars. If you were not around on Tuesday afternoon on social media, you missed maybe the funniest tweet that a conference office has ever sent out. Not intentionally funny, but did it ever launch some memes? So while everybody else was worried about what was to come on a fairly big newsday with the Max Crosby trade being rescinded, which we know now is so they could sign Trey Hendrickson, and then Bam out of bio scoring 81 points. 83 points.

Just some respect. 83 points. I'm sorry. Kobe scored 81. Yes. BAM scored 83 and BAM team won. The WAC sent this out as your appetizer on Tuesday afternoon. So the WAC, the Western Athletic Conference, you remember, used to be an FBS football conference, is not anymore.

So this came out from the WAC at 2.32 p.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday. Now, remember, we're talking about Utah time because we're dealing with Utah Valley University here. But basically Utah Valley is a team that is leaving the WAC, a school that is leaving the WAC. They're going to go to the Big West Conference. The WAC says you haven't paid your exit fee. Therefore, if you don't put a million dollars in escrow to represent the exit fee in this court case that we are fighting over, we will not let your team, which is the number one seed in the WAC tournament, play in the WAC tournament.

This is what the WACC wrote. As of this time, Utah Valley University is not complied with the Utah judges order that directs Utah Valley University placed $1 million in escrow with the court. The amount of their agreed upon exit fee for the Western Athletic Conference. As the court ordered preliminary injunction is contingent upon that directive, the WAC board of directors has instructed the commissioner to plan for the men's and women's whack basketball tournaments without Utah Valley University, as it would not be a member in good standing. The conference will release new brackets if the university does not comply with the court's directive within the order by 5 p.m. Mountain Time on Tuesday, March 10th. The conference

regrets that the intentional actions of Utah Valley University have caused uncertainty in harm for the institutions, student athletes, coaches, staff, and fans across the whack, including at Utah Valley University. Now, that is the wax portion. And the whack is Dr. Evil in this case. they are Dr. Evil, one million dollars. And is Ari, like I'm just imagining this movie, like somebody running through Salt Lake City with a briefcase. Like, I wanted this to be the, because the news later in the day. So when they put this out, remember, it was at 2.30 Eastern Time.

So basically they had four and a half hours to comply. So 5 p.m. Mountain time, we 7 p.m. Eastern Time. So it's four and a half hour. So the clock is taking. Like I wanted to see the guy running with the briefcase and the clock at the bottom of the screen. I want. And then the next piece of the news was they're waiting for, they're going to pay the money, but they're waiting for instructions from the court on how to pay. And I'm just imagining like you go to this park bench in Salt Lake City, you leave the briefcase by the trash can and you walk away. No cops. No cops. So did the university end up paying the money?

As we record this on Wednesday morning, not yet. But they are in process of paying. They've said they've agreed to it and they were waiting the court's instructions. The court was closed at 5 p.m. And so they didn't get the final instructions on how to do it. Now, there's more to this. There's more to it. But I just love that we have a conference point.

playing Dr. Evil here. It's great. I need the government, I need the Utah, like we need the scene, like if Utah Valley, by the way, this is a very acrimonious fight between Utah Valley. Like, you, you probably don't care about the fight itself, but just know, everybody hates everybody on this thing. And if Utah Valley had a sense of humor about this, which they should, because they actually probably aren't going to end up having to pay anything, if all goes well for them. But if Utah Valley had a sense of humor about this, they would have taken that Austin power scene where Dr. Evil asked for $1 million and everyone just laughs at him, they would have tweeted that out in response to the whack. Well, Dr. Evil was a terrorist. Yes.

And if the Watt Utah Valley would characterize the Wack right now. But if the Wack was entitled to money, that wasn't paid. Well, see, Utah Valley is arguing they're not. entitled to it. Like, they're playing in this tournament because of, hey, a word we've heard a lot on this show in the last month, an injunction. Preliminary injunction. Yeah. I mean, I was like giggling during your preview of the show today. You're like, you know, as conference basketball tournaments have really kicking off on Wednesday, like we are talking a lot about court, but not basketball courts. No, no. But like this would have been the best caper, though.

Like, if you're Utah Valley, you've got to have some fun with this. You got to have somebody just running around because the court, I believe the court is in Salt Lake. So you got to have somebody to run around. Get it in pennies and deliver pennies? Yes, just pushing a, like, you know when you go to Sam's Club or Costco or Home Depot and they've got the flatbed cart? Yeah.

Or when you buy something really big. Yes. Flatbed cart of a million dollars. and I think a million dollars in pennies probably fills up a few of those. I think a million dollars in pennies probably this doesn't even fit on in like a U-Haul. They're not even making pennies anymore. So I don't know if that exists. But so a little backstory here.

The whack is suing Utah Valley in Texas saying they're not, they haven't paid their exit fee. They owe us this exit fee. Utah Valley is counter suing the whack in Utah saying one, we made a deal with the whack in Colorado. so Texas law has nothing to do with this. But two, the WAC bait and switched us. This is Utah Valley's interpretation of things

because the Texas schools in the WAC that they wanted to merge with the Atlantic Sun or make a deal with the Atlantic Sun because the WAC was about to fold basically two years ago. They were down by members because of realignment. And so Utah Valley signed this commitment pledge. And in return for signing the commitment pledge, they were supposed to get a reduced exit fee if they left. Apparently, the Atlantic Sun, as part of this merger, didn't really want any of the

Utah schools, Utah Valley and Utah Tech in southern Utah. And so Utah Valley thought they were going to get a reduced or no exit fee. And then apparently the commitment agreement was then nixed at some point by the conference last year. And they're like, oh, no, by the way, you still owe this. But you're still leaving, right. You're still, okay, you're leaving, right? But, but yeah, you owe this. So that's the fight. And like, when they, when they said a million dollars, it's not to pay a million dollars that they definitely owe. That is still up for debate. That's why they would put it in an escrow account with the court. But the other part of this is Utah Valley does not have to pay this. And the whack probably knew this. So Bryce Larson is an ESPN radio host in Utah. He's been following

this case, he's been in all the hearings. He explained that the judge said when she issued this order that she could not actually order Utah Valley to pay the money because it's against the law in the state of Utah for a court to order a state entity to pay a security. This is essentially a security in the court. So it's actually illegal to order that. So that's why the judge very clearly wrote, this is a directive, not an order. And so if Utah Valley wanted to be like, eh, we're not paying it. They could. So the arrangement of the payment has been made, but the payment itself probably will never be made. Yeah, I may. And they can put the money in escrow. They could always put it in escrow. That doesn't mean that they, but if you put it in escrow, you can still retain

the money eventually. Yeah, yeah. If you win the case, the money won't cross hands. Right. Yeah. If you win the case, you would keep the money anyway. Yeah. So they may, they may put the money in. They may not, but they don't have to. And it doesn't matter because the WAC relented when they said, yeah, we'll put the money in there. The Wack said, okay, brackets are staying. They can play. So Utah Valley does not play.

Remember, they're the one seed in the WAC tournament. They do not play until Friday. They have a buy until Friday. So just another little bit of spice for conference tournament week. Yeah. Everybody who was going to be watching that, which is not a lot. now, I may turn it on. Yeah.

I'm not going to lie. Yeah. I've always wanted to get paid in a briefcase. I mean, you have to do that, right? Like, if you're in a briefcase. I think you can buy, you can definitely buy a briefcase on Amazon. Like, if you're Utah Valley,

you have to at least taking the million out in cash. I mean, why your transfers are boring? take the million out in cash, put it in a briefcase, get some social media clips out of this thing, if nothing else. And just like if I were there AD, I just sitting there like working the clips on the briefcase, you know, when they open up and open it and you got the cash. Or you could do the thing where you, you know,

in the movies where it's a real bill on top of every stack and then it's just paper. I'm looking at, briefcases online, Andy, and they're not like they used to be. No. No, they're all like, they're not hard-shelled briefcases. They're all like- Somebody on eBay has to have that though, like, because you do have to do this. Because back in the day, when you used to graduate college, like that was like a really appropriate gift that every man got, right? Like, yeah, nice leather, hard-back, like shelled briefcase that you can carry all your documents in. And now,

I think in 2026, that's no longer something that works because it doesn't fit laptops and stuff. But, you know, it still could hold crisp $100 bills that are all wrapped up into $1 million. Yeah, like that movie blank check, for instance. Exactly like that movie blank check or like that movie Austin Power. The 90s were the best time of life. I miss them every day. So, listen, there was conference basketball tournament, actual action yesterday. Montana upset Portland State in the big sky.

So that's a one seed out. Portland State is out. They will not go dancing. Montana is going to play Idaho today for the big sky title. Furman and Troy punched their tickets to the dance. It's fun. Kentucky playing two day, Wednesday

in the SEC tournament. First time ever, I think, playing on Wednesday in the SEC tournament. Yeah, things aren't going great in Lexington, are they? But, you know, hey, we're six and a half favorite. Go on a run.

You can all, yes. Yes. And check your bed of GM app because you've got a lot going on. By the way, AJ DeBonsa at BYU, 40 points, dropped 40 on Zonacci. 40 on zombie Kansas State last night in the Big 12 tournament on on the giant iPad of court. This is fun.

I love this week because you can just pretty much any time afternoon on a weekday, you've got basketball tournament playing on. I watched part of the Arizona State Baylor Big 12 game yesterday. And I got to say, that court is freaking awesome. Every single time, I don't, have you watched a game on the court yet? Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, so every time players don't like it, though. Like shattered glass like shows up inside the key.

Like it's like bad. You wouldn't like that. The players playing on it because they're playing on a giant iPad and they say it's slippery. Is it? Oh, okay. I was wondering what it would be like to bounce a ball or what it's like for traction on the shoe. But from a visual standpoint, watching it on top. It's tremendous.

Yeah. Tremendous. No, this is going to be fun. I'm scrolling the BetMGM app right now. There are so many games today, so many stakes. But yeah, the Big Sky Tournament is fascinating. Idaho, Montana, by the way, in case you're wondering, the Vandals are a two and a half point favorite over the Grizzlies in that one.

So, but the WAC tournament does begin today because they have their seven-team league. So they have a number seven versus number six game today. But Utah Valley, what T-shirts should they wear under their jerseys or over their, like in the warm-ups? Like should they have $1 million T-shirts? Yeah, I'm trying to think of like there's a communist pun on the whack. It's in Vegas.

Yeah, maybe a betting slip. I don't know. I don't know if you do not a betting slip. I feel like that might draw scrutiny. But yeah, just maybe the case number, like put the case number on the back of the T-shirt. It would be kind of funny if there was a betting slip that paid a million dollars for them winning the WAC tournament. The only way you get paid is if we win this thing. I don't know, like I guess their biggest booster can do that.

That's probably the only way that works. But yes, I am all for any creative means they can do to resolve this. It is a social media, especially because these are smaller conferences in schools. Like if there's any way to draw brand awareness, like you could, there's an opportunity on social media. I'm guessing they're not going to have any fun with this because they are embroiled in a legal dispute with the conference. But we can have fun with it, for God's sake. We can dream. I read your lawsuit.

I feel like you got a shot. So I think if you just, you can poke front of them. There have been a lot of really funny social media moments this week. Did you see that TMZ posted a story about Donna Kelsey renovating her home? And how everybody. And the internet ran out about like, why is this a story? And like people are doing like George Bush getting told like 9-11 happening. Say Donna Kelsey has chosen a different interior designer.

She's going with French doors now. And it's like so funny. Like when something stupid happens online and then people just latch on to it, like it is really a gift that keeps on giving. And I think there's an opportunity here if people wanted to get creative. Well, this is like an only in college sports thing. There's never going to be a situation where the NBA is about to start the playoffs. And the Grizzlies can't play unless they make a $1 million payment.

A truly dysfunctional entity. and I'm really here for it, Andy, and I hope it's always dysfunctional. Yeah. Yeah. Please don't fix everything. Yeah. Because then we'd never have this.

The good news is that they can't. So like that, I don't care what fantasies we're all under and talking about like here, you know, these headlines that are here. Here's how we fix college football. Yeah.

I don't have to click on it to know you're wrong. You can't fix it. And fixing it too much actually ruins it. So fixing it would break it. Yeah. Ari. Utah Valley, of course, is trying to play its way into the NCAA tournament. The goal in the NCAA tournament is to get to the final four in Indianapolis.

You've got to earn your way there, but we're already going there. We will be in Indianapolis, April 4th, with Culvers. Remember we were with the draft last year? Now we're going to be in Indianapolis, April 4th, the day of the National semifinals with Culver's in downtown indie live at the Culver's game day hub capturing the energy flavor and hometown pride that make Indianapolis come alive on game day. They're bringing you the best moments from a day filled with games, fans, and plenty of fresh frozen custard. Also, if you're not in Indy, you can still get in on the action. You can enter the Culver's swish dish, swish,

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Yes. In fast food menus and not just the diversity of the menu, but how good everything is. It is so good. Like you can get a burger, you can get a fish sandwich. They've got cheese. I love the fish sandwich. I'm a big fish guy. Like, yeah.

I have a photo of you with one of their fish sandwiches just grinning from ear to year. Yeah. It was happier than I was on my wedding day. It was great. But it is a pleasure to be with Culvers and Indianapolis. itself is, I would probably say, maybe the best big event city in America in terms of the way that the downtown is set up and everything. Everything's walkable. It's perfect. It's the perfect basketball

city. And it's going to be an awesome opportunity to be out there. And hopefully we'll meet a lot of you guys. The teams have to earn their way there, but you can just come join us with Culver. So mark your calendars for April 4th. Ari, let us head to the Mega Board on 3's Megboard. And actually, There are Megaboard threads about the Utah Valley thing all over, and everybody has opinions, but yes, everyone also has Austin Powers memes. Another interesting topic from the Megaboard, we go to Husker Online, the Red Sea Scrolls. And our friend Ross Dellinger from Yahoo put this out. And so Husker Blood Red saw this story and immediately went to the message boards with it.

So a group of 18 Nebraska football players has retained counsel and poses the first serious challenge to the college sports commission's NIL go clearinghouse over rejected NIL deals sources tell Ross Dellinger from Yahoo Sports. So basically what happens when you do these NIL deals. So there's RevShare, which comes from the school. The school can do up to, it was 20.5 million last year. It's going to be about 22.5 million this year. So they can spend up to that on athletes pay them directly.

anything beyond that cap has to be an NIL deal that has to be cleared by the college sports commission, which was created by the conferences in the wake of the house versus the NCAA settlement. So what this is is they say this is a legitimate deal or this is just you trying to funnel money to this player. And some of the deals have been, most of the deals have been approved. Some have not. Nobody has taken a case to arbitration yet because they can't, like,

part of the deal, if you're a player who agrees to take the money, is you can't sue over this. You have to agree to arbitration. And so nobody's gone to arbitration yet, but these guys are going to go to arbitration. They hired a firm called Hush Blackwell, which is a big, you know, expensive, lots of money per hour firm. This is not accidental that this is the first one, Ari. This is not an accident at all that it's in Nebraska. you. This was always going to happen. Okay. This was always going to happen. And I think that when this system got set up, we were all kind of like, well, that sounds all well and good. But the

second you start challenging people's income that aren't collectively bargained, like you're going to run into some heat. So I'm very interested to see how this all plays out. But I think I kind of know the direction it's headed in, don't you? Well, that's the thing. The question is, does the arbitrator just say, no, you guys, it's fine. You can keep the money. or do they nix the deals? Because the next step, if the arbitrator nixes the deals and says they can't keep the money, if they keep the money, they're ineligible. That's the way the thing is written.

If that were to happen, and this is why I told you, Nebraska is not an accident. It's not, they didn't choose this by accident. What did I say when all of this started, Ari? If it's challenged, it will be in a state where there's one school, that dominates the whole state where the state attorney general will jump in immediately to the players' defense at the school. So it was going to be Tennessee, it was going to be Nebraska, it was going to be Louisiana, or it was going to be Ohio.

And guess what? It's Nebraska. Yeah. If they push it through and say you can keep the money, which is what I'm assuming will probably be the result of this, it kind of defeats the purpose of the entire system even existing. Like if the system exists, and maybe not in this specific case, but if the system exists, it also has to successfully nix deals that aren't appropriate.

Correct. The question is, if they nicks the deals and they make people ineligible for taking this money, they will be sued into oblivion for impeding on their ability to earn income. The state attorney general will jump in and say, how dare you affect the ability of people in my state? state to make money. Make money. You have, yeah.

And they will assuredly lose. They will lose because you can't, like, you're going to say, well, but that's not market value. Market value is whatever someone is willing to pay you for something. If somebody wants to come in here and give me a million dollars for this Trayvon Diggs card that I'm holding up, that's worth a dollar, I am more within my right to sell them for that much money. There's nothing that anybody on earth can do to stop me.

me from doing that. Yes. So the deal is they don't want you circumventing, quote unquote, circumventing the cap. But everyone knows the cap isn't real. That's why you see these schools doing $40 million player budgets for a football team because they know the cap isn't enforceable. And oh, by the way, there were, there's been a situation with this thing where the, the CSC has sent this basically a membership agreement to all the power conference schools to sign, they haven't all signed it. The state attorney general in Texas told his schools don't sign this. Meanwhile, other states have told their schools the same thing because it says you can't sue.

You are agreeing to not sue. And the school's not going to waive its right to sue. So the other piece of this is Nebraska just signed a deal with a company called Playful. fly. And I realize we're probably getting in the weeds for a lot of you guys, but this is how this stuff works. So Playfly is what's called an MMR company, a multimedia rights company. And schools have deals with these companies. Playfly is a big one. Learfield's the biggest one. And basically what these people do is they agree to pay the school a fee and then they go find deals using the school's names and marks. Well, since RevShare started, they've altered this. They've altered

the way they do business with these companies. And these companies are now funneling deals to the players. They're finding deals for the players. And you're not supposed to be able to guarantee any NIL money above the cap, but they basically are. You know, Ross, Ross Eliger had a copy of a proposal that LSU gave to Brendan Sorsby that included money that was above the rev share cap. So the schools are all involved with this. Two of the biggest companies play fly and Learfield that work with schools are involved in this. It's very much a too big to fail situation. So they're not going to be able to enforce this to regulate this. There's no cap and there's no enforcing NIL, period. No. Sorry. I remember when they first, because I remember there was like a bunch of suits that came

out and we're super excited about like we finally have a clearing house and we're going to do this or we're going to do that. And I remember we were all laughing. It's like, okay. Yeah, I had a conversation with an AD about it. Yeah, I had a conversation with AD about a year ago before all this stuff. It officially started July 1st. And the AD had heard something that we had said on the show with Steve Wilfong.

And basically it was, hey, nobody who works in the business is actually looking at this thing as a real cat. They don't expect anybody to actually enforce this. And this person is like, that's not true. I'm like, it is true. We talk to these people. And then we proceed to argue about whether it's going to work or not. And I said, this is what's going to happen. If they can either just let everything pass through, which would be the smart thing,

or they can try to stop it. And the second they deny someone money and say, you've got to either be ineligible or not take this money, if it's the wrong school, the state attorney general is going to nail their ass to the wall. And that is what is going to happen here. What do you think it was? Do you think it was just like wishful thinking or wish or like hopeful thinking from the other side that this could potentially work?

Like, because like I didn't go to law school and I'm certainly not very good with money. But even I was like, this is insane. Like what in the people who came up with a system of me? There's a group of people. There's two groups of people in college sports. there are people who live in reality. We talked to one of those yesterday, Jerry Mack, the head coach at Kennesaw State. We said, Jerry, Kansas State took your best edge rush for Syracuse,

took your all-conference quarterback. What do you think of that? He goes, I love it because it means we set them up for opportunities, and we're going to do that again with the next group of players we have. Jerry Mack understands he can't change the circumstances. He can't change the system. All he can do is do the best work within it to make it work. Yep.

to make it work. There's another group of people, and it's, I don't want to paint with a broad brush, but it is people who've been working in college sports for a lot longer, typically, who want so badly to go back to the way things used to be when they had all the power and the players didn't have any power. They just keep grasping at straws, like they keep banging their head against the same concrete while thinking the result's going to be different. The result will not be different.

to keep fighting this all you want, but unless you get Congress to pass a law, which you will not get Congress to pass a law that allows you to impose a salary cap, just unilaterally, like they're not going to do that, or you negotiate it with the players, you will not be able to have a salary cap.

It's just almost like a refusal to acknowledge that it's different now. Or a refusal to acknowledge the thing you, You can have a salary cap if you want to, but you have to choose to want to. There's only one way to do it. Well, two ways to do it. The two I just mentioned.

And one is one's probably not happening. So you can either accept reality on reality's terms or keep living in fantasy land and act surprised when this happens. Like, again, this is a very coordinated effort. Like, it's not an accident that it's. It's at one of the biggest schools. It's at a Big Ten school. It's a big time law firm that a lot of these schools hire for various things. It's in a state where the attorney general will respond.

Do we know deals in question here? We don't. We don't. Okay. We know it. Well, it's multiple. It's multiple deals. And it might be 18 versions of the same deal.

I'm not sure. But so that's why. They're probably on paper getting an insane amount of money. for something that's not deemed appropriate market value. Probably, but guess what? It is market value. Who are you to tell me what I can pay somebody? That's the other thing is the company providing the money,

if they wanted to sue, can also sue. Yeah. You're messing with my relationship with my endorser. I've agreed to pay this money, and you can't tell me what I can and can't pay them. And this is my business, and you can't impede in my ability to run my own business the way I see fit. Yeah. Yeah, there were so many holes and flaws in this plan.

And I think the commissioners and the people at the schools thought, okay, because the schools and the players are party to this and they have to agree to the terms of it, that's going to provide us from protection. But it doesn't protect you from everybody else. Totally insane. But I would be amused if the clearing house just automatically every time it heads to arbitration just clears the deal. It's like this is fine because then it's just like a bunch of people doing something that served no purpose. Let me tell you a story, Andy. Yesterday I got an Uber. Please tell this story.

Yes, please. This actually is germane to the subject. Yes, please tell this story. I ordered a bagel with a bagel sandwich yesterday from a restaurant here in Dallas on Uber Eats. We'll argue with the laziness. factor of having a human being drive that to your house later. But go ahead. Sometimes it's not laziness, Andy. Sometimes it's necessity. Like, I don't have time to go do this. Go ahead. Tell us the story. Anyway, this restaurant is about 12 minutes from my house. And it was 9 a.m.

Andy and I were going to record at 10 a.m. So I thought if I placed this order at 9 a.m. No, no, no. It was 10 a.m. We were recording at 11 a.m. You were going to have breakfast at 10.30. another conversation. Go on. Which isn't a weird. You're making that weirder than it is. I wanted to eat a bagel at 1045 in the morning before we got the base. Go ahead.

Go ahead. I'm sorry. I keep messing you up. Anyway, so 30 minutes or 25 minutes go by and I check the order. And it said your dasher is picking up. It was Uber Eats, whatever they call it. Your driver is picking up your food. And then I was like, okay, great.

So this should be here by 10.45. that'll give me 15 or 10 minutes to eat this, and then I can get upstairs, get into the studio and start the show. And then once the person got my food, they texted me, where are you? And I wrote back, excuse me.

And then he wrote back, I'm here with your food. And I'm like, you're at the restaurant. And he goes, yeah, this is where I'm supposed to deliver it. And I wrote back, if I was at the restaurant, that you picked up my food at. Explain to me what you believe your role in this whole situation should be.

This human being thought I paid him to go pick up my food at the restaurant and then deliver it to me at the restaurant. All right, Watson, I'm white ass. I'm guessing, in defense of the driver here, they probably just read the wrong address line. Yeah, I mean, or hopefully there was an. app issue. I don't know. But that's what the clearinghouse is. But we do have, right, we do have some cognitive questions here. But yes, that is exactly what that, what that clearinghouse will be if they just put

every deal through. Have you seen those videos of the guy on the subway platform when the subway stops who like pushes hands on the side of the, he puts his hands on the side of the train as it's stopping as if he's helping it stop? Like, that's what this is. Like, are these people who are in the arbitration meetings in the clemen, clearinghouse side, receiving paychecks? Yes.

It's a small staff, but they are getting paid. They have an investigative unit. How much? Yeah. That's going to reveal some robust. Yeah. Investigations.

Like, I know, like, they should just call them the pocket watchers. Like, they should make t-shirts. There are some people out there, Andy, that are really struggling. And then I sometimes think about corporate spending or things like this. And it's like, God, how much money are they earning?

You have a job that does not need to exist. It's like an interior decoration. Now look, it looks nice. Our job doesn't need to exist either. We talk about college football for a living. It doesn't need to exist. We provide a service that people want, period. It might be stupid.

Well, they're providing a service that schools want. It's just the service is probably illegal. And also the or the service is just like buying artwork for your house. It doesn't really do anything, but it makes you feel nice. Well, we'll see what happens with this thing. We know what's going to happen. But we'll see what happens. The players are going to get their money one way or the other.

So you can pay more money in court or you can pay these arbitrators to put it. Whether it's the arbitrator or whether it's a federal judge after. after the Nebraska Attorney General sues you in federal court, someone is going to say, run him his money. Run him that money. Yeah. Yeah.

And hopefully the briefcase that Utah Valley was using can be used for this too. I'm done with wire transfers, from now on, briefcase, everything. Wire transfers are inherently scary, by the way. Oh, I always, like, I always feel like I am in, some sort of mob movie when I have to do a wire. The only time I've ever had to make a wire transfer in my life was when we bought homes. Yeah.

But there is so much fraud in the wire game. Like, it is terrifying because it's the most one of you. I watch too many movies. And when you're buying a house, it is essentially an amount that is worth more than you. It is. Going from one place to another. The largest possible check a person like me could ever write. Yeah. And you get nine emails from the bank before you write that check saying,

hey, be really careful because if you send this to the wrong person, you're never getting it back. It is terrifying. So yeah, bring back the duffel bag. No, sorry, briefcase. It's classier. Briefcase. We had duffel bags for the Bagman era. And they're broke. Double bag is for, yeah. Listen, the dollar figures have ascended tremendously here. We are in the briefcase zone now. We are out of the duffel bag era.

We are in the briefcase era. Briefcase boys. Yeah. Those are the people who really bring the NIL. And sometimes you open up the use of the WWE. Or it's a briefcase that pops open and there's just a check line in there. Because the briefcase can't hold the money. It's not big enough.

That's fancy. A cashier's check? You know that, you know, I do miss that sound of like the metal. Thumpfump. Yeah. Yeah. Unclicking out of. the briefcase, then you open it up.

And then there's like a light for some reason. I don't know. Yeah, those are the days. That's just Pulp Fiction. I'd only be the first to congratulate Nebraska's players for getting this money. Congratulations. Yeah, you're going to get paid. You get paid.

Or you're going to be party to a lawsuit that gets you paid. Pay that man his money. There. Thank you. Thank you. Speaking of pay that man his money, let us move to Letterman Row, the Letterman Lounge. Our guy, Spencer Holbrook at Letterman Row, does a great job covering in Ohio State, wrote on Tuesday that Ohio State has made Matt, Patricia, the highest paid coordinator,

and thus highest paid assistant coach in college football. He will make $3.75 million this year. You know the silence in what I was doing? No. Should have done this before the show. Do you know what Jim Tressel's salary was as head coach at Ohio State in 2010? It wasn't that. It wasn't three and a half million a year when he resigned.

But again, they're broken. They have no money for the players. Oh, wait. No, they have plenty of money. But this is an interesting one because Matt Patricia, first year in college football, obviously was a very good defensive coordinator with Bill Belichick and the Patriots, got the Lions head coaching job,

was not good as the Lions head coach. First year in college, they were absolutely dominant. prominent at Ohio State. And I'm sure there was a lot of interest on the NFL side and the college side for him. Two things. One, do you know what Jim Tressel's salary was in 2001 when he took over? $1.5.645, $645,000.

Wonder what his Youngstown state salary was before he left to go to Ohio State. He made $645,000 in the year that he led Ohio State to the national championship. in 2002. That is amazing. Isn't that crazy? Right. And the thing is that was a, that was actually probably low for a big school at the time. But not ridiculously low.

That's how fast this stuff has exploded. So we have head coaches making close to 14 million a year now. Assistant coaches making close to 4 million a year now. Here's another stat. And I'm using Tressel because that was the era. And this is the school. Yeah, and it's the same school. Jim Tressel's total career earnings at Ohio State for his decade as their coach.

Do you want to take a stab at it? You'll probably come close if you know, like. Let's see. Okay. Is it 20 million? 21.7 million, which means that he was averaging about 2.1 a year. Wow. Over the course of 10-year period.

one of the biggest most important organizations in college football. And now you have coaches that are making 65, 66% of that in a given year. Yeah. I mean, $2 million a year, that's probably what a good coach in the American makes. And there are coaches the American that make more than that now. So obviously, that's not just an Ohio State thing. That's everywhere, right? Ohio State.

But Ohio State for many years was behind the curve. like they weren't making they weren't making payments to assistance and i remember one of the biggest things when i was on the beat was when are they going to improve their assistant salary pool to compete with the SEC because they weren't they weren't compensating their coaches as much and it was harder to retain or higher elite level assistance and i just remember when i was at the i believe it was the 2016 or it might have been the 2018 fiesta bowl i think it was 16 and ohio state was playing clums. Clemson. Brent Venables was the defensive coordinator for Clemson and he was making a million

dollars a year at the time. Yeah. Which was a heck of a lot of money at the time 10 years ago. Still a heck of a lot of money. Million dollars will all a year. Yeah. Yeah. But people were like, oh my goodness. How is this coordinator worth that much money? And then I remember I was writing a story with Doug and Bill about like the first million dollar coordinator at Ohio State. And now you're talking about this much money. And the question I have for you, Andy, and this isn't a slight at Matt Patricia. Matt Patricia could be the greatest

defensive coordinator in college football history. Is there a coordinator that is worth that much money? I mean, what did we just get through saying about the Nebraska thing? You're worth whatever somebody's willing to pay you. Do you think it's crazy to pay any assistant anywhere that much money a year? Could they have found someone to coach these very good players at Ohio State into a good defense for half that.

Probably, yes. So, you know, listen, the man earned his money. Their defense was incredibly good last year. Okay. Their defense also, I believe, has going to have four first round picks departing from it. So, like, I always, and this is the thing that isn't a Matt Patricia conversation.

This is something that I've always struggled with when evaluating coaches on Ohio State's staff for getting a time in the entirety of my 10 years on the beat is how much of it is coaching brilliance or scheme brilliance or, you know, developmental brilliance and how much is it having aliens on your team that other teams don't have? Like, I just like, I do not know, like, if you have Caleb Downs on your team, if you have Sunny Styles on your team, you have R. Val Reese on your team, and you've got really good defensive linemen. How, is it rocket science to be really good at defense? Like, I just, I don't get it.

It's funny that you mentioned because Matt Patricia is an actual rocket scientist. Yeah. He's smart. He went to Rensselaer Polytechnic. He's very smart. I really just want to separate my question from like a criticism of him personally because it's not. Obviously. Right.

This this conversation happened long before Matt, Patricia was the defensive coordinator to Ohio State. It's happened multiple times with Ohio State coaches, with Alabama coaches, with Georgia coaches, you know, how hard is it to coach someone who is just so much more gifted than everybody else? And I would argue that figuring out how to deploy them is important too. Sunny Stiles was not deployed probably in the way that he was best deployed until last year. So I would argue that Matt Patricia unlocked Sunny Stiles and probably unlocked R. of L. Reese. Caleb Downs was unlocked.

Caleb Downs walk, Caleb Downs doesn't lock in elementary school. Like if you ever heard that guy talk, he sounds like a 15 year NFL event already.

Do you know how much money Brian Hartline is making as the head coach at USF? Probably not as much as Matt Patricia. The same, three and a half million a year. Oh, three and a half.

Okay, so that's the best American job probably right now and that pays three and a half. And which is, which is also what the reason this is happening, by the way.

Like with the Brent Venables part. You mentioned Brent Venables was the first million dollar coordinator. Brent Venables also, I believe was the first $2 million coordinator. I think he was two and a half before he finally got hired by Oklahoma as the head coach. Yeah. That was to keep him from going to take a head coaching job. That was to keep him to where the only reason he would leave was for a huge head coaching job. Yeah.

And part of that too is, you know, it makes sense. You're paying a retainer of sorts to somebody. And from my understanding, too, Andy, you were probably closer to Clemson during those years, but he was a major, major piece of their staff. Oh, huge part of him. He wasn't just coordinating the defense. He was identifying players. He was a huge, like, balancing beam for the program as well. So, like, I understand that there are people who do more than their title or people who are symbolically worth more than what their title would say.

But, like, you're talking about a person like Brian Hartline, for instance, who, you know, recruited his position and developed his, position as well as anybody in the country. And then he got promoted to a place to be a head coach. And it wasn't a power coach, but it's still a really attractive job. And he's getting paid roughly the same as your defensive coordinator. Yeah, which is it's not an accident. You're paying your defensive coordinator.

Well, and in Patricia's case, I'm sure there was NFL interest as well. So I would imagine if we look at some of the better, because Chip Kelly was the highest paid coordinator in the NFL last year, I believe, or offensive coordinator in the NFL. I think it was a $6 million a year. I would imagine 375 is probably what a good, you know, above average NFL defensive coordinator makes.

So you probably had to do that to keep him out. Let's look at it this way, Andy. I think Ryan Day is making $11 million. I think. That's just off the top of my head. And it might be changing. obviously with Lane Kiffin getting what he got. I'm assuming that, you know, that tide will lift. Oh, yeah.

They all, yeah, that's why Signetti got moved to where he did. You'll see Kirby getting moved. Yeah. Let's just work with the 11 million figure for the time being. It's very hard to keep track of incentives and all these things of how much somebody's actually making in totality. But should a coordinator make roughly 40 or 35 percent, salary as the head coach at a place like Ohio State. That's the other thing too, proportionately.

It's not just the amount of money, but how many other coordinators are making that much in relation to their head coach, who is viewed as one of the top five coaches in America at a high-powered institution that is one of the tent pole program of college football. Yeah. It's not going down.

Somebody else, I don't know if anybody's going to top this next year, but somebody probably will. these guys want to win. They all want to win. They're all very competitive. It's the same reason with the player salaries. They can't really help themselves. They want to win and they want to have the best chance of winning.

They feel like if they have a coach who coordinated a defense that was the stingiest defense in the country, then they're going to pay to keep him, whatever they need to pay. And honestly speaking to, if he got paid 2.2 or 2.2. or 2.1 or whatever, which we would say is, you know, within the range of what most people in that job get paid. This wouldn't even be a conversation on the show and how much money over the course of a 12-year,

a 12-month period for the defensive coordinator is a million and a half for Ohio State. And I don't think we didn't really do a lot of hand-wringing over Jim Knowles when he left Ohio State for Penn State because he got over $3 million when he went to Penn State. Yeah. So. just that was that was the cost of one he had other options too but that was the cost of prime away

yeah so i mean it's not insane i just think it's interesting how quickly like inflation oh yeah is changing i mean because like honestly 2016 seems at times like it was forever ago but it really isn't that long ago no no and that's it kills their arguments against giving more to the players because they say they can't afford to do that, but then nothing stops them when they want to hire or give a coach more money. Well, the other thing, too, in Matt Patricia's defense, there are players individually who are making that much money. And I don't think Matt Patricia needs to be defended here.

Yeah. This is, we just talked about what the Nebraska players, you're worth whatever, whatever someone wants to pay you. Matt Patrice is the same thing. He is worth whatever Ohio State wants to pay him. This isn't celebrate, celebrate your bag podcast, by the way. We're not bag.

Yeah. We want you to give us a bag. Give them the bag. Give everybody. Everybody gets a bag. Yeah. So now, if Matt Patricia produces a similar defense, probably with less first rounders,

it's worth every penny. Yep. I agree with you. But I wonder what that salary also means for Ryan Day's and pending raise. probably probably pretty big probably probably bodes pretty well for his income yeah exactly now it's it's a good place to be right now good place to be if you are a very successful head coach the problem the problem is you have to stay that successful or then they they decide to fire you yeah and and like Ryan day is obviously not in any danger but this time last year we didn't

think James Franklin was in any danger and then it just like comes at you fast. So congratulations, Matt, Patricia, and I'm excited to see what you do in a second year of college football because you will now have a different group of players. It may not be as talent-laden, but if you can produce a defense that's almost as good or as good, you're doing great, and you're probably going to get a college head coaching job if you want it or maybe back into the NFL, maybe another NFL head coaching job. It's not outside. their own possibility. So excited to see what he does with that. One more, and we go to the Wolverine, Ari, our Michigan team cited on three. The Fort is the message board. And so the

attorney for Sharon Moore's former assistant, this is the woman he had the relationship with. The attorney called out systemic failures at Michigan, essentially, relating to what happened with Sharon Moore, not necessarily what happened with Sharon Moore after he was fired. This is all what happened during the process of that relationship, how that got revealed to the Michigan people, what they knew or didn't know at the time. And so this was a statement from her attorneys, Chicago-based attorneys, Andrew Stroth and Stephen Hart. And, said our client believes strongly that she may not be the only person to experience inappropriate coercive or predatory behavior from this individual

talking about Sharon Moore. And again, this is a prelude to a lawsuit against Michigan because Michigan is the deeper pockets in this case. Drone Moore got fired for cause. So probably he's not the target of a lawsuit. Maybe he is, but absolutely. And the generally fair question. It is.

And I think if you're a Michigan person, and I've noticed, you know, we've talked about this before, Michigan fans have been asking a lot of hard questions. And it's not just Michigan fans, it's also Michigan leaders, asking a lot of hard questions. What did Word Manual in the athletic department know and when did they know it? Because the official story is they didn't have actionable intelligence until the day before they fired him. that they had interviewed him, they'd interviewed her, and the stories had been different, and then the story changed, and then they fired him. Now, it's interesting because I had somebody who was involved in some of the NCAA investigations point this out to me. Chris Partridge, who is a former mission assistant, had gotten caught up in an NCAA investigation

and actually wound up, I believe, getting cleared. He was clear. Yeah, he was cleared in the investigation. One of the things that cleared him was video from the complex, from the football complex, that cleared him, that showed him not doing the thing he was accused of or doing something that proved he wasn't doing what he was accused of. And this person said, if this relationship was going on for as long as we now know it was, There has to have been some incriminating video of some sort.

How do they not instantly find it? Because they found the Partridge one in, I think, a few days. So. Yeah. And like, listen, we weren't in the building. Okay. And there are two ways of looking at this. Obviously, some people will say young female working in an athletic building,

creating a or being involved in an inappropriate relationship with the coach is, you know, a two-way street and that that person was probably gold digging or all the things that you could come up with. And the other side of it, too, Andy is. It is a two-way street. That is true. But if you are a young, not-famous female staffer in a building and the most powerful man in Michigan is constantly putting himself or presenting himself to you in this fashion,

there are other deeper implications to your behavior, your job, your livelihood, embarrassment, all these different things that might coerce you to make decisions you wouldn't make in other situations. Like, and we have to also acknowledge that. Right, and that's why they have rules at organizations about supervisors and the people they supervise and not having a football organizations. It's regular jobs. You're a Boston Deloitte. You can't have sex with an intern.

Like, that's just part of it. Like you just, it's so like that said, the most interesting thing to me from that last sentence that you read was she might not have been the only victim. So like that also opens Pandora's box and we don't know who that other person. And that's potentially lawyer. That's lawyers threatening, hey, this might be a class action suit. Yeah. Which is meant to rattle Michigan's cage quite a bit. And we don't want to start looking around anymore.

So let's just deal with this quickly. How about you make your best offer before we start. We start making it more compelling discovery. We file a lawsuit and start compelling discovery. And I think that's if you're Michigan, you probably need to figure out what the hell actually happened. Yeah. Not just because somebody might sue you, but because you need to know if the people in charge know what they're doing. Or did they know about this and just kind of sweep it aside?

like what exactly happened and i think that the people in charge at michigan probably are going to want those answers sooner or rather later and they said they said after the the stromore firing that they were going to engage in a in a fact-finding mission to figure out exactly what happened who knew what when i i do think there's a lot of people in michigan who want those answers Andy, you're on the internet. You've seen the screenshots floating around recently. So, you know, this doesn't look like the behavior of a coach who was interested in one individual. Yeah.

And if that's the case, especially if there was somebody else who worked there and we don't know. So that's, but we're not speculating. We're just reading what the statement said. But yeah. So I'm very interested to see what comes of this. I think you're right. I think you nailed it. This is them saying,

unless you want us to dump your dirty laundry on the front lawn, Michigan. Of the big house, yeah. Yeah, now's the time to write a check. But I think if you're Michigan, one, you're probably still going to have to write a check anyway. But two, you probably need to know this because you need to know if the people you have in charge

are the people who need to be in charge. Right. It's complicated and it's murky. It's going to get messier there. It is messy. Yeah. It's going to get messier there. And again, this is, we talked about this the other day with the Kyle Whittingham hire.

This is another reason why I think the Kyle Whittingham hire was so good because this is a guy who I don't. And look, nobody knows anybody. Yeah. But I don't think you're going to have to worry about that stuff. You don't know anybody, but what you do know is you have a longstanding resume that exists without any room. or situations of misconduct. Yeah. So none of this stuff.

Yeah. And so you might be in a situation now where you can be comfortable knowing that what's going on over there is not something you need to be. Just from a PR standpoint, Michigan needs to get off. Like, I mean, they're in the news for the wrong reasons like every year. Over and over and over again. Yeah. So like I think that they're probably at a place too where it's like, okay, you know, we got the national title and that was kind of a bumpy ride to get to it. but like, name me now we can just run a tight organization without having,

especially now, Andy, it's so much harder to get into actual trouble than it used to be. Like, if you got somebody a hamburger in 2001 or rigged a lottery or something, I don't know, like think about the baseline of what it used to take to get into real trouble. It wasn't that hard. No. Everybody was getting in trouble for all the stupid things all the time. Now players are getting paid. your coaches are being compensated.

Just don't be weird in the building. You know what I mean? Like, it's not that difficult. Don't be weird anywhere, but especially don't be weird in the building. Yeah. Don't hire people that are going to be weird in the building. So like, it's just. And when you know what's going on,

when you know something's going on. Be active about it. Yeah, act on it. Don't just say, well, maybe. Because I think this is the question. I'm not making any accusations right now because we don't know what happened yet. I think we're going to get answers on this eventually. But if somebody in charge knew what was going on and was just like, well, but he might win a lot of games,

that's going to come out. And that's not going to go well for that person. So we'll be tracking it. I mean, Sharon's in court right now. And, you know, I'm sure that there will be more information. But, you know, if you're a Michigan fan, obviously you're dying for the Wittingham era to begin. and to be the main thing. To please enough with all this bad off the field news,

just do something on the field. Do something on the field, yep. Yeah, I get it. I would be sick of this too if I were them, but this is one where I, you know, just reading, especially reading the fans that belong to our team site and then talking to some people I know

who are fans or who are involved in the University of Michigan, they're fed up with it too. And they're probably tired of having to defend themselves online. Yeah, they want some. answers and then they want to move on. So this, there will probably be some answers because of this, either because they're going to have to do something about it because they want to, or these guys are going to sue them and some stuff's going to come out.

Yeah. And that has been your, your courthouse update that Ari, how many times do we mention court today? Quite a bit, but my favorite reference of court was the light up court in the Big 12. playing on a giant iPad. More games today. More games to out. Check your, check your bed MGM app.

There's some hot ones. And I mean, AJ DeBonds of 40 points on the iPad court. So he's probably hoping whatever NBA team picks him switches to an iPad court. My prediction is that every basketball court in America will be an iPad court eventually. Cincinnati UCF, that's a little bit of a bubble-ish game going on. today, 3 p.m. Eastern Time. Cincinnati is a two and a half point favorite on bed MGM right now. This is going to be a fun day.

So you've got big 12 tournament action, ACC tournament, SEC tournament, you've got finals, like the big sky finals, the big one because you had an upset in the big sky last night. It's one of the best weeks of the year. Enjoy your weekday,

during the day, basketball, and we'll talk to you tomorrow. Thank you.