Andy & Ari On3 - Week 4 INSTANT REACTION | Florida-Miami, Michigan-Nebraska, Auburn-Oklahoma, Illinois-Indiana

Episode Date: September 21, 2025

Join Andy & Ari LIVE at 11:30 PM ET tonight to break down ALL of Week 4's action on Saturday... (0:00-0:51) On Tonight's Instant Reaction Show(0:52-3:04) BetMGM(3:05-4:48) Intro: Week 4(4:49-18:15) Miami 26, Florida 7(18:16-26:52) Indiana 63, Illinois 10(26:53-33:15) Michigan 30, Nebraska 27(33:16-39:38) Texas Tech 34, Utah 10(39:34-51:36) Oklahoma 24, Auburn 17(51:37-54:23) Texas 55, Sam Houston 0(54:26-56:38) Missouri 29, South Carolina 20(56:39-58:14) Ole Miss 45, Tulane 10(58:15-1:00:54) Memphis 32, Arkansas 31(1:00:55-1:01:57) Ari's Classmate(1:01:58-1:04:20) Notre Dame 56, Purdue 30(1:04:21-1:14:06) Maryland 27, Wisconsin 10(1:14:07-1:20:34) Syracuse 34, Clemson 21(1:20:35-1:23:32) UCF 34, North Carolina 9(1:23:33-1:24:10) Conclusion: See you Sunday, Picks Show Monday Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtube.com/live/dWyG4yjJ2rs Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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and get your $1,500 first bet offer today. Welcome to Andy and Ari on 3 presented by BetMGM. It is your instant reaction show. And, oh, Lord, Ari, we have so much to talk about today. I am at the offices of Sooner Scoop in Norman, Oklahoma, our excellent Oklahoma site, and I just got a shout out, Carrie Murdoch, Eddie Radasovich, and George Stoy, the third for being incredible hosts. I mean, I got Kerry buying me pizza here. This is incredible.

This place is glorious. I saw it a really good game between Oklahoma and Auburn on Saturday. Definitely felt different about the two teams than when I watched them play last year. But we'll get to that a little bit later in the show because I think there are some more pressing games. that we need to talk about that just finished, Ari. Yeah. Their office is insane. I don't know if you got to watch the games in that front room with the four TVs.

Like I told you, Mr. Murdoch bought me dinner last year or two. What a host. I got to say, it was a rough situation not being there with you, but I'm happy that you saw a great bad beat and a great game. And I thought that today was a really great thing. We'll talk about that later. I saw somebody, Andy,

tweet tonight. I can't remember who it was who said, I don't know if it feels this way, but I thought today was kind of a weekday. And I was like, what? Oh, what? I thought like today was an awesome day. Did that person not watch North Texas Army? I mean, even that game was awesome. I mean, I got to tell you, I was locked in on UNLV and I got to say the kids back. We're going to get to that. I'm back. You know Miami of Ohio was something to you. But Andy, let's start in Miami in Florida. Okay. Let's do that. So this was one of the of the games that I got wrong in our picks. You got it right. I overthought the process. One of the few I got right. I got to say when Carmony McLean picked off Carson Beck with three minutes to go in the fourth quarter, or I mean, three minutes to go in the third quarter heading into the fourth quarter around midfield in a six point game, I felt like I was in the personal hell of every Miami fan on earth because of all the people who could have made that play too. You're talking about a five-star prospect that Miami wanted out of high school.

you know, Florida kid, all that. And I thought, you know, wow, Florida has played an awful football game for three and a half quarters for the most part of them. And here they are six points away in Miami territory. Yes. And that's when I thought like, yeah, you know, that's why I took the seven, you know, because it's an in-state rivalry. It's a tough opponent.

It's very bitter. And then Miami murdered them for the rest of the game. Florida drove down. They ran a route short on fourth and three. Yeah, I was saying, don't forget. running a two-yard route on fourth and three and yeah because they could have taken the lead on that drive and instead they they completed a two-yard pass on fourth and three which i thought was kind of a more of an encapsulation i was like bitching to andy throughout the entire game of like

why is florida doing this uh and and he's like every response i had was coaching question mark how does florida have so many good players and are so bad coaching how do you run a route uh short on fourth and three coaching i don't know what the other ones were but it was very so i wrote a colin for on three. It's up right now. You can read it. This was the perfect encapsulation of the billion ap year experience. You had 10 guys on the field goal block team, which, you know, is better than when they did eight against Utah two years ago. So I think that's improvement, I suppose. They had predictable mind-numbing play calling. They gained, let's see, 32 yards on 22 plays in the first half. They did have a spark where you thought, and this is part of

the Billy Napier experience. There's always a point where there's this little bit of the spark, and you're like, oh, wait a second. Yeah, yeah. Maybe they can do this. And so, Jaden, Jaden Baugh, fed him, fed him, fed him, fed him. 11 play 80-yard drive ends with a Jaden Baugh grown-ass man run. 231 pounds of Jaden Ball coming right at you.

And it's 13 to 6. And Cormani McLean picks it off. And it's like, there it is. There it is. That's the spark. And it's going to flicker and fade. and die, and it did. That's exactly what happened.

It flickered and faded and died because Grimani McLean gets the interception. They turn it over. Miami gets it back, goes three and out. Florida gets it back, goes three and out, and then Miami embarks on a 13-play 80-yard drive, which was a lot of the plays you saw in the first half

where Miami would hand off, the back would hit the pile about two yards past the line of scrimm, then the whole pile would just move for five more yards. There must have been six plays on that drive like that. Yeah. So I think it is kind of interesting that you wrote the column that you did about this tonight because every single time we talk about Florida, you go, yeah, that was the perfect encapsulation of the Billy Napier experience,

like every week. And it really does it every time. He's consistent in his inconsistency, if that makes sense. Yeah. And I got to say, I don't know. if this is like breaking news but I think that like I finally resigned myself to like he's not the guy tonight um you know maybe I still was kind of holding out reservations because you know I am maybe overcorrecting my inability to escape the moment um by staying out of the moment for too much I think that I thought maybe you know if Florida won this game even if they

would have won this game ugly, you know, like a 20 to 16 type situation or whatever it was turning out to look like there at the end of the third quarter that they could have had the bounce that they had last year in terms of like, hey, because you know what, Andy, that little flickering light that you keep referencing is intoxicating as hell, dude. It's intoxicating, though. When it's happening. Yeah. So this is you not being able to let go of five stars. This is the same thing, like when a five star is transferred four times and he's at his fourth school and he stunk at his first three and you're like but he was a five star like that's you you can't let billy napier go because he he gets he gets five stars and you get that little spark and you're like

but i see but you see right there yeah but then the same thing happens every time you know vans william here in the chat said or you should come up with a name for a coach who ruins your stars matter belief i guess maybe the name would be billy napier i don't know like the the thing that's interesting about Florida is last year they stunk because they didn't have enough good players. So the fact now that they actually have some players that they had enough good play like they beat Ole Miss last year. It wasn't because they didn't have enough good players last year. It wasn't because they didn't have enough good players. But like if you go back and look at how many good players do you need? Like I wonder like if you put Billy Napier in charge of

2002 Georgia, would would they go nine and three? That is an absurdly, uh, crazy question to ask. And the fact that you have to ask it is the reason we're in this position. But Andy, remember last year when we were walking out of the stadium in Gainesville? Like our discussion about Florida was like, yeah, well, they didn't get any better. It wasn't that they didn't have any players. It was that they didn't have enough to be Florida. And like this year, I felt like they actually had enough to be old vintage Florida, and it still looks the same. And part of that, too, is that DJ Lagway has not flashed in the way that I would have hoped and thought.

But it just the thing that is most frustrating to me more than anything when watching Florida is that they could conceivably win the games they're losing. and they're losing because of grab ass. Now, I don't know if they would have won, had Florida gone and scored on the drive or they were short on the fourth down. Miami was better than crap out of them, which then is a nice transition to the takeaway from this football game, which is,

and you were online and you were watching this, but people are like, here comes another Mario Cristobal special here. And like, I think that when a coach has that reputation, like it's very easy to fall back into like old habits of like accusing him of doing it. Like this was an in-state rivalry

It was bitter. Florida's backs were against the wall. They got embarrassed at home last year. They were trying to return the favor. Winning 26 to 7, I thought was a convincing win that you would expect from a top three team in the country. Like, I think Miami should be happy with what they saw. And I know that there were uncomfortable moments. The last thing you want to see is Carson Beck throwing picks to Cormani McLean with the game in the balance. I get it.

I understand why those old feelings started to creep back up. But I feel like a win like this for Miami, and I'm going to write this at some point this week. That win to me almost makes me believe in Miami. more than if they would have just won 42 to 10. Like, does that sound crazy because it's like, well, no, if they'd won 42 to 10, it would have been better than what they did. But the thing is, Miami should be thrilled with this.

And the thing is, Mario Cristobal had a lot of the same, like he had his own set of bad habits that he would fall back into, that the same things we're talking about with Billy Napier. But the difference is Mario Cristobal seems to have overcome them. Now, maybe he hasn't, but. I would say that the game management, the Notre Dame game, the game management tonight suggest that he's learned some things. And that's the thing that I mean.

Like obviously 42 to 10 is better because you just blow out a team. But in you, when you're in a one possession game on defense late in the game at home against a bitter in-state rival, when coaching and staying, you know, true to yourself and believing is of utmost importance. and then your team not only responds in a way that doesn't lose the game, but that beats the crap. Because like, here's the thing. The fourth quarter was what a lot of people thought the whole game was going to be.

And the fact that he was able to draw that fourth quarter out of Miami and people were down in the dumps. The first and fourth quarters were the same. Yeah. So they did it for half the game. Florida, the thing about it, and it's the same reason Florida fans should be mad is the reason Miami fans should be happy. Because the team that Miami beat tonight, in a dominant fashion, when you really look at it in its totality, because they were worried there for maybe a grand total of eight minutes. They dominated the rest of the game. Yeah, but when you were worried, those eight minutes were a high leverage eight minutes because you were at the end of the game.

But like I said, they should be happy for the same reason Florida fans should be mad. This is a good, like, not well coached, but a very talented team that they beat. like that Florida could go on that drive it went on tells you like there's something there and you go back to the LSU game it took five interceptions for LSU to win that game by 10 points five interceptions Andy this person here is a friend of mine his name is Kevin and he's a diehard Miami fan and he said it was the worst eight minutes of his life but I'm going to use him as an example here yeah if you ask him there is an existential dread that exists in Miami fans about oh shit here we go again or we're gonna blow it and i think that in a moment where by the way

would have been the most torturous way for a miami fan to go down if the carmani mclean would have turned a pick would have turned into a loss that would have been you couldn't like stephen king couldn't have come up with that and like the fact that they were able to not only turn the game back into their favor when kevin and everybody else was feeling that way i think is a really it makes me more confident in Miami moving down the line when they play in close games. We know that they're good enough to blow teams out. It's twice we've seen them in high leverage situations against really talented teams. We'll see how good Notre Dame is.

Obviously, they kicked the crap out of Purdue today. But they have handled it really well. Miami has. They've done exactly what they needed to do to win those games. They have taken control when they needed to take control. And I think they should be very. proud. They should be very happy that there does seem to be some evolution with Mario Cristobal. Yes. And like that's the thing with what we always talk about. And there has been none

with Billy Napier. So it's a, it's kind of a, it's kind of a good time capsule there because they were hired the same week. And one had problems and seems to have fixed those problems. The other one keeps having the same issues he's always had. Yeah. And they didn't start at the same place either. I think it's important to acknowledge, too, that Mario Cristobal, to his credit when he was hired as somebody who had built a program or continued to sustain a program at a high level by building it through the lines. And he's taken that blueprint and brought it to Miami. Like people call Billy Napier like Sun Built Billy. Like the starting points were different. Mario would want a power conference title at Oregon. Like it, yeah, yeah, different resumes. But, but the Georgia. a tech loss a couple of years ago was one of those that some coaches might never overcome. And I think he's going to overcome that. I think you look at the way he's handled the end of game situations and the tight,

high leverage situations in two big games this year, it's in exactly what you would want. I agree. I think that last year, Miami was fun as hell. They had Cam Ward. They had Restrepo. They had all the dudes. But you kind of had a sense. I think even the staunchest,

Miami fan would, you know, the defense is going to let us down. We're going to blow it. This year, after a win like this, I buy more into Miami as a legitimate top 14 than I did at any point last year. And whether or not that comes to fruition, we got Florida State coming up here in a few weeks, Andy. You know, there's some big games in the ACC coming down the pike. But, you know, Notre Dame and Florida, you know, two of their four wins this season. I think if you're a Miami fan, you sleep like a baby tonight. That was a really, really good win, in my opinion. Well, I hope it's your opinion. You're the one saying it. And, by the way, to put a bow on it, Florida, God damn it. That's my opinion, too. God damn it. I'm amazed you like you finally came around. Like,

tonight was, tonight was your last straw. There's so many Florida fans that are in the chat. Just like, what tonight? What? Yeah. I mean, like, it's not like I didn't see the, the writing on the wall. But tonight, it's like that fourth down and two, I was just like, this is not, this is just, this is who they are, period. And I won't be taking forward to the points anytime soon. Sworn to the storm. The Georgia Tech loss was on the refs. Mario gets blamed, but horrendous referees get excused.

Don Cheney was clearly down. We're not relitigating this. If they'd take a knees, it wouldn't have mattered. He was down. Mario has fixed it. He was down, though. So what? they needed to take knees. Mario's fixed it. It's all good. All right, let us move to Bloomington, Indiana,

because Indiana just put out a graphic on social media that said, this year's Indiana, Indiana. No, I disagree because this year's Indiana is probably better than last year's Indiana. Indiana beat Illinois 63 to 10. And I am not going to pretend that Illinois sucks now. because I bet Illinois doesn't suck. I bet Illinois is going to go on and win a bunch of games this year. Indiana just beat the living crap out of them. Indiana beat the living crap out of a good team. Indiana's a wagon.

I'm taking notes, Andy, because when you say things, I steal your ideas. Oh, good. And I tweeted this. It's like the most unoriginal tweet because Landis did it in Indiana. But like last year's Indiana is Indiana is a funny, clever thing to say. but the hope is that this year's Indiana is, like you said, better than last year's Indiana. Last year's Indiana came out of nowhere. Last year's Indiana surprised people.

Last year's Indiana was a team that people thought, you know, skirted the system and got into the playoff because they didn't play anybody good. Now the question is, if you're going to play a top 10 team on the road, or I mean at home, excuse me, and do that to them, I understand that Illinois, we might find out, isn't a top 10 team. but that was a very good football team. Like, I'm not going to pretend. I will bet you Illinois wins at least eight games this year. And they beat them by 53 points.

Dude, Cygnetti coaches, like the opposing coach stole his girlfriend in high school. Like, he coaches angry, bro. Like, it's like he wants to inflict me. I was watching the last touchdown. I was thinking because Brett Bilemon once hung 70 on somebody in a Big Ten championship game when he was at Wisconsin, right? Yeah, I think that's correct. Um, like, what was the, I was wondering what the handshake was going to be like at the end. Was it going to be Brett mad or was Brett going to be like a game recognized game, bro?

That, that was incredible. But, and, but they are, they are better than last year because this is what they did to bad teams last year. They did this to a good team tonight. Yes. Um, and I understand Signetti's desire. Because you know how he is. He's been on the show multiple times.

we know the man. He's a highly competitive individual, and I guarantee you, it's not a guarantee, it's a fact that he resents the framing around his team last year. He resented the framing going into the playoff, and then even when they lost to Notre Dame, he resented the way that people remembered them. And Indiana became this mascot of scheduling discussion for their offseat about how they were a fraud. They didn't play anybody good, and they stole a spot away from an SEC team because they didn't play anybody. And, like, I understand the thought of, like, if you guys want to say this thing about Indiana,

here's a score for you to swallow. Now, this is a very different situation, Andy, than it was a year ago, because this year, Indiana plays Oregon and Penn State. So if Indiana finishes, you know, 10 and 2 or 11 and 1 and beats one of those other two teams on top of what they just did, Illinois, not only are they in the playoff. They are legitimately in it.

We don't have to have that discussion. anymore. And I think that's important to him. And I also wondering, I'm thinking about the Big Ten championship game in that situation, too. Andy, I was actually thinking about this. But is the next step for Indiana in a sustained program build about getting to a point where people stop pretending like you don't belong? Like when people accept that you're a real team. And I think that that is an important part of it.

Like Indiana making a deep run to the final four last year, winning a national championship would have been the single most absurd turnaround any coach has ever had in a single year regardless of the new rules in college football history maybe. But if that was the first step and not the flash in the pan season that happens for teams every now and then. And even Kenny Dillingham at ASU said this. We don't want to be one of those teams that makes the playoff or has a good year and then goes back to obscurity. We want to be a team that backs it up and does it again so it's expected. And I think that the mistake that I might have made in the season as it pertains to Indiana, because listen, I'm not going to act like on this show that

I, we or I hadn't been talking up Illinois as this year's Indiana. We both have. And like all while at the same time simultaneously redundant, I'm going to work on my redundancies, simultaneously not giving Indiana the credit that it deserves for returning a large portion of the players that actually, you know, did it last year. Not to mention they might have upgraded a quarterback. And I got to say, man, if Illinois is an eight-win team, they beat the ever-loving snot out of those guys. Like those guys, like, because I was on Illinois coming into the week.

And I love that you started the show intentionally. I think that it's a tinfoil hat Saturday. Yeah, you did it. My only two losses, I think, in the week. My God, that was the worst bet of the year. That was, like, not just, like, missing. It was not even close. It was blatantly wrong about the teams, period.

So, you know, from this standpoint, Indiana is making a big jump in my personal top 10 tonight, but also, uh, man, I want to guess where I have them in the, uh, in the projected playoff? What I guess what seat I have at now? Would it be like a six or a seven? Three. Oh, they beat the hell out of them. sorry for a second there I was back in last year's rules no yeah three yeah that oh that's right that's right because yeah if they didn't win the big 10 because I still have Ohio State number

one I get you there yeah that's why I have three right now yeah put them five so so we're we're on the same page and here's yeah and if they don't play well against Iowa next week we can change it yeah but you know you get credit for doing good everybody always talks about how wins age and losses age and why aren't you talking enough about my team right now. I'm sure Indiana fans were rightfully resentful of where they were. Indiana, I believe I left off of a way too early top 25 back in the spring. I did too. Entire.

And it's like, you know, hey, buddy, you go out and you do it. You get the recognition eventually and they're going to get it. So hats off to Indiana. That was incredible. They didn't just win a big game. if they were to won 21 to 20, we would be talking really good about how, you know, the fact that they did it like that reminded me of last year's team. And I think that you could make the case that this Illinois team they beat was better

than any team they blew out a year ago. I would agree with that. Michigan probably, I guess, is the closest that Michigan team ended up beating Ohio State. But they didn't beat Michigan like this last year. They beat Nebraska like this last year. This was an absolutely. ass kicking. And I can't wait to see because they play at Iowa next week. That's going to be a great game. Or maybe not. Or maybe they beat the crap out of them too. And then two weeks after that,

they're at Oregon. So, like, who had Indiana at Oregon and Eugene as maybe the game of the year in the Big Ten? And maybe it's not. Maybe that's still going to be Penn State, Ohio State. I don't know. But I cannot wait to see them play Oregon. I can't wait. You know, I can't wait. Yeah. I mean, next week, we got Penn State, Oregon, which, but I think an Alabama, Georgia, falling back into some stupid trap again or not, but I think that Indiana can play with those teams. The one, the team we saw tonight can play with anybody. There's no doubt in my mind. The team we saw tonight can play with anybody. And I just got to say, I have such an appreciation.

Dude, I don't know, you were watching nine games and walking all over the place and getting resituated. Did you see the half time, the pre-half-time or the pose, going into the halftime interview with Cygnetti? They asked them, what do you want to see out of your offense in the second half? And they had like 35 points already. And he goes, more points smirked and just walked off. The dude's an assassin. That's amazing. I love it.

All right. Well, while we're talking about things that happened right before the half, let's talk about a game that had an incredible thing happen right before the half by the team that ended up losing the game. So we'll go to Lincoln, Nebraska. Michigan, Nebraska, and Nebraska has the Hail Mary to end the half to tie it up. This was a fun game, probably just brutal for Nebraska fans, because basically they could not stop Michigan's run game at any time they needed to stop it. Anytime there was a need for Michigan to get yards on the ground, they got the yards they needed on the ground. And Nebraska just could not stop them. Michigan had a bunch of explosive runs, and that was the difference in this game.

Yeah. Also, Nebraska could not get Michigan off the field and third down scenarios in the second half. Michigan kept getting those tough first downs over and over and over again. It felt like, and like, you know, we have spent a lot of time talking about Nebraska. And, you know, listen, this is a team that had a chance tonight to really do something, to really prove this afternoon that they were ready to turn the. page and i don't know if i'm going to sit here right now andy and tell you that that it's impossible for them to have a nine win or ten win season still i think that it's a lot harder now but man

they had every opportunity to win it and i honestly i got to tell you i picked a nebraska coming into the game and i thought for sure that they were going to win after that half time hail mary pre half time hail mary you want to know why because it actually felt like to me that all the stuff that was happening to nebraska the last five years the grab-ass turnovers and the boneheaded penalties and the crazy things that would occur in one possession games that they were losing that I was like, you know what, you know, they had a bad pick, they missed a field goal in the first half, it felt Nebraska E to a certain extent. But, you know, if they're going to go out and get a Hail Mary touchdown before

halftime, maybe this is the scales of something of justice a little bit. Yeah, I did not, I did not feel the same way you did. I felt like Nebraska, needed to do things in very hard ways that Michigan didn't. Michigan scored easily and Nebraska scored in very difficult ways. And so that's why. And it still was a close game. I mean, it winds up being a three point margin. So it's not like Nebraska got blown out.

They were there. They just kind of made things harder on themselves than they needed to. And yeah. And the other thing, too, is like, I thought like we were going to have this like, big overarching Dylan Raola discussion tonight. It's like if Dylan Raola is as good as Nebraska fans think he is, we're going to know it.

I think Nebraska's lack of a run game is the problem. I don't think Dylan Raola is the problem. The dude went 30 for 41 for 308 yards and three touchdowns. He did have a bad pick but I want to say this, having watched the game, Nebraska's offensive line got its ass kicked in that game.

He had no time and I, you know, this isn't a relitigation of or not Dylan Rayola is good enough to escape pressure and extend plays. He didn't really have much of a chance tonight. I'm not going to pin that on him. Right. And then the defensive line. The pressure he faced was a symptom of the other problem is that that line didn't do anything to help

them run the ball. So that group has to get better. Like if Nebraska wants to have a good season, that group has to get better. And I didn't think that the defensive line played well enough. You know, listen, Michigan's offense is better than it was last year. But Michigan's offense isn't particularly good. Can we still say that? Like, I mean, Bryce Underwood is going to be a good player.

And I think that you should be excited about him. Yeah, Bryce Underwood will be good. But right now, they are not a dynamic offense. Now, I will say, if they can have those explosive runs against everybody, then they will be in a lot of games. I, we saw one Justice Haynes run like that against Oklahoma. So maybe it is. Maybe we will see that.

against everybody. I don't know. I mean, that's vintage Michigan, right? I mean. Yeah, this was too much like today. You cannot let that happen. Like one of those, yes. Three of them, no.

I think if you also were to just cut and paste Bryce Underwood's final stats, 12 of 22 for 105 yards, 4.8 average and zero touchdowns. Nebraska being at home, knowing what we knew about both of these teams coming into it, you would have felt pretty good. but they ran for 33, 33 times for 286 yards. You know, Justice Haynes had that 75-yard touchdown run in the first half. Like, they just gave up too much. And, like, it was all trenches-based, which is vintage Michigan, right?

Like, that's who they are. That's how they're going to beat you. And I didn't think that Michigan would be able to beat Nebraska that way. And they did. They did. Yeah. It was, it was pretty, pretty spectacular. some of those runs.

And I am curious, like, going forward, what's that going to look like? Are we going to see those more of those? And, hey, Sharon Moore will be back. So congratulations to Biff Pogie, 2 and O as the Michigan head coach. We spent that entire time, Andy, talking about Nebraska, and I want to spend at least one minute talking about Michigan because they did win the game. I mean, we did talk about how great people are running the ball. Moving forward, though, because Michigan kind of felt like a little cooked after the Oklahoma loss.

next game is Wisconsin. They're probably going to win that. We'll get to that. Why? But two weeks from now when they go back to the West Coast to play USC, that's going to be a big game. But then Washington, Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern Maryland, all before Ohio State,

maybe something is starting to crystallize here a little bit for them too. So, you know, big win for Michigan and obviously not having your coach on the sideline for it, you know, Biff said he was going to have a bunch of coffee-flavored ice cream, smoke a Cuban cigar, and then maybe go to the hospital. That's what they asked, how his evening was going to go to that. Coffee ice cream is pretty spectacular, by the way. So I, listen, I disagree. Biff knows how to have a good time.

I disagree with that. You don't know what you're talking about. You're not a sweets guy. Your opinion is on sweets. I'm not a coffee guy. You're also not a sweets guy. So you're out of your depth here. Out of your depth.

Ari. Let's go to Salt Lake City. because that was another one where I got that really wrong. But also, I don't think any of us predicted the Texas Tech win would happen in the way it did. Because Texas Tech and Utah were playing a defensive struggle where everybody was making a lot of mistakes. Texas Tech kept doing the perfect peanut punches to get Utah football, you know, Utah players to drop the ball and recover the fumble. And then, you know, Utah was picking people off. when Will Hammond came in for Baron Morton, everything changed.

Will Hammond, who by the way is Mormon, the Texas Tech backup quarterback group in Austin, but is Mormon, goes to Salt Lake City and balls out. He was incredible. And all of a sudden, the things that weren't working in the past game for Texas Tech got so much easier, and they stomped Utah. Yeah. This was going to be an interesting game because Texas Tech is, just like the ultimate case study of can you go buy a roster in the offseason and get better.

Yes, yes, you can't. That's the answer. They look so much faster than Utah. Yeah. There were a lot of turnovers in the first half. It was kind of a very bizarre game. But then once the game got into the second half, Texas Tech just rolled over them. Once Will Hammond got in there, it changed everything.

Do you want to do this? Should we do it? What's that? Are we going to, is he the guy? Is he the guy? I don't know if we need to do that. now. Look, Morton will come back and they can figure it out themselves. Joe McGuire's not a dumb coach. If one guy's better than the other, he's going to play him. All I know for sure is

one is better today. That was incredible. The offense moved so much more easily with Wilham and running it. And it was utter domination at that point. And that's the part that I was so impressed by because, you know, and I think the Texas Tech players and coaches, if you saw what they said after the game, because Joe McGuire is using what people are saying about them buying a roster. You know, they've got their billionaires just paying for everything. And the players, while yes, they are enjoying the checks they're receiving from said billionaires. They do feel like they're a pretty good team and they play well together and that they're not a bunch of mercenaries just out for the biggest back. Yeah.

Can I say, can I make it, can I make an argument? Sure. You can be out for the biggest bag, but also understand the team concept. Sure. I do find it. It's happened before. You know what just hit me and we've never discussed this on the show, but I find it to be quite interesting. And this is like an epiphany.

But we like Joey McGuire. He is a guy's guy. He would be very high in the would you eat lunch with this person. and rankings. I'd order biscuits and gravy. Yeah, like he told me to. When you think about his background and where he came from and the decades he spent being a high school coach, he is a very interesting person to be thrust into a financial world that he's in right now. Because even if you were to say, you know, Florida went out and bought a roster or Ohio State or Oregon, these are usually coaches who have dealt with the highest of high personalities, the bitterest of bitter

recruitments, the cutthroat of cutthroated people. And that didn't make any sense, but you know what I'm saying. I get you. Like to come from a high school background where everything in high school football is team, team, team. Now, I know there's some high schools that recruit and, you know, whatever, it's a little bit different at some place. Yeah, it never happens in Texas high school football where he came from. No. but it is an interesting do you think I'm full of shit here or do you think like do you see what I'm saying like I see what you're saying that dynamic of like high school football coach turns into roster manager I think I think he's done a good job making these guys play like a team helping these guys play like a team right and I wonder I wonder if that's a if the high school background actually is better for making people play for like a team I'm going to ask I'm going to call him I'm going to ask him about that this week yeah I guess It's very interesting. Why don't we, call it, get him on the show.

Let's get him on the show. We'll get him on the show. I'll ask it. Then I get dibs on the column, though, because it's my idea. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I think now we look, does this reframe how you feel about the Big 12? Because I thought Utah was pretty good.

Texas Tech just obliterated them. I do think there's some other good teams in the Big 12. Like I really liked what I've seen so far from TCU. They outlasted SMU today. day, Arizona State beat Baylor, but that was a nip-and-tuck game. So, but do we feel like there's now a favorite in the Big 12, which we said doesn't have favorites because everybody's too evenly matched? I feel like there might be a favorite now.

Yeah, I mean, TCU put it on SMU today. They really put it on them. I mean, that game was back and forth. I guess it was kind of back and forth. You know who is still? out there lingering. Kansas? Kick the crap out of West Virginia today. And, you know, when we talk about Missouri, we'll talk about why beating Kansas is pretty

impressive. And what Kansas is doing makes that win even more impressive. But, yeah, Kansas looked unstoppable today. So, you know, if we look at the Big 12, there's still, in Iowa State still out there, they've got a couple of good wins. So there's still quite a race to be had. But I think now we're looking at Texas. Well, yeah, because they do have, if you asked an NFL scout, who's your favorite roster in this league? Well, they're going to say Texas Tech.

So I think they should be the favorite now, but that doesn't mean they're going to win it. They still have to go do it. But I like, I like their chances. Yeah. Ari, let us move to, well, let's talk about the game I attended. Let's talk about the game I attended. Sailor Joe's mad because I didn't, I didn't do his super chat.

from the beginning. He didn't seem to understand. If you send me in Oklahoma super chat, I'll get to it when we talk about Oklahoma. So here's what Sailor Joe said. OU's offense struggled and that fake out lost respect points. If Arch faced Sam Houston State before OSU, do you think it changed the early season outcome? Hook them. Okay, let's not go crazy because Arch Manning diced up Sam Houston State. Oklahoma looked really good. This game was kind of sloppy. There were a lot of penalties. I don't, did you, did it lose any respect points for you that Oklahoma did the, the hide the Isaiah Satania play?

Buddy, you're not going to lose any respect from me doing anything on a football field to get a freaking win against Auburn. I do, I do want to know what the SEC says about this. I want to, I want them to say something about it because the rule does say, for those who don't know, here's what happened. Oklahoma. runs a play. They get right back up the line of scrimmage. They send their receiver, Isaiah Satania. So the first play ends, and Satania, instead of going back to the middle of the field to watch for the signal and then get in formation, just walks toward the sideline. But he doesn't leave the field, and there are no substitutions. Now, the rule says you can't mimic any substitution

pattern whether you make a substitution or not. But Satania wasn't pretending to leave the field. he stood on the field when they got in formation he pointed at the ref the ref nodded you're you're on you're on and Auburn just didn't cover him they didn't see him so my question is this are you not responsible as a defense for accounting for all 11 of the offenses players like when you looked across if you're the middle linebacker at Auburn and you looked across the field and you only saw 10 players you should have called time out if you're the coaching staff and you only saw that you're reacting to 10 players. You should be calling time out.

Now, I think you freeze and company. I think DJ Durkin was trying to call time out, but they didn't get it in fast enough. And so he scored. But I do want to see what the SEC says about this. So I didn't lose any respect with that one. I gained a lot of respect for Oklahoma's past rush. Holy crap.

They were all over Jackson. So what are people saying, like they cheated or that they were cheating or being grinding? Yeah, they're saying that should have been a penalty. That should have been in sports and line conduct. You know why I don't think it should have been? Because he never left the field and you need to account for all 11 players on the field. And also he signaled to the ref. Right.

And I can't remember if he was off or on the line of scrimmage, but he did check with the ref to make sure he was in the correct place. And he wasn't, you know, messing up the formation. Yeah, by the way, guys, this was war. It was. Auburn's defense is nasty, okay, and Oklahoma's defense is nastier. Oklahoma was all over Jackson Arnold, and Jackson Arnold can move, but Jackson Arnold got sacked ten times, including two in a row at the end of the game, the worst beat.

So I picked Auburn plus six and a half in this game. Auburn's losing by five. They're facing a fourth down. They're not going to make the fourth down, obviously. But all they have to do is not take a freaking safety. And Jackson Arnold gets buried, buried by our Mason Thomas. I needed that. That was a big swing in our race for each other.

Andy, just to go back to the Satania play real quick, the SEC did provide a statement. You want me to read it, though, real quick? Oh, yeah, yeah. They said it was deceptive. In Saturdays, Auburn at Oklahoma football game with 1050 remaining in the second quarter, a pass was thrown to Oklahoma number five resulting in a touchdown. Oklahoma number five participated in the previous play, which was a first downplay from the 22-yard line. after the first downplay was completed, Oklahoma of number five continued towards his team's sideline, but stopped just before reaching the sideline.

NCAA football rule 9-2, Article 2 was labeled unfair tactics with paragraph 8 stating, no simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process may be used to confuse opponents. This includes any hideout tactic with or without substitution. The officiating crew did not properly interpret the action as a hideout tactic. If properly officiated, the second down play should have been resulted in an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty of 15 yards assessed from the previous spot. Appropriate accountability will be applied without additional comment. So appropriate accountability.

So they're going to suspend the crew. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Well, it would have, it was a touchdown that would have been a touchdown.

So that is a big change. I mean, if that is what. They say, that's what they say. And the rule is the rule, because they, I think they probably have worked on that rule a little bit over the last few years. But I kind of disagree with that. Like, if he didn't leave the field, he wasn't simulating a substitution. You either substituted or you didn't. So, but that's the rule.

And they said it was applied improperly. So sorry, Auburn. Now, don't let your quarterback get sacked 10 times and you don't have to worry about it. But, yeah, yeah. So that's, okay, all that said, I can't wait to see Oklahoma play Red River. I cannot wait to see Arch Manning try to deal with this defense. Sure. Red River might be like a 9-6 game.

I don't know. That would be great. That means that the clock would move very quickly, right? And then we get to go eat corn dogs faster. But it's going to be, it's going to be, a, great game, and I'm super excited about it. I also do not believe that Auburn is cooked. I don't know if there's any, like, I don't know if this is any like, oh, one team.

You know, we had that discussion of like one team goes right, one team goes left. You know, Auburn plays A&M, I think, next weekend, right? They do. They do. Auburn is a talented team. And I got to tell you, Ari, I think, and they missed some shots at Cam Coleman. He caught her. He had a beautiful touchdown catch.

in the second quarter. But he, if Jackson Arnold is more on target on some of those deep shots to Cam Coleman, like this is a very different game. I would, I would throw at Cam Coleman like every third play. Yeah, I mean,

he is. As soon as I thought I had single coverage, I would go deep with him every single time. I think you could make the case, honestly, if you were doing a college football player draft, that Cam Coleman would be a top 10 pick. So I hope that appropriately reflects his production.

and, you know, attempts to get him the ball into the future, I do think that Arnold could have been a better, more on the mark in this game. I don't think he had it. Part of it was Arnold was, had crimson jerseys in his face the entire game. Yeah, Oklahoma's defense is nasty. They've got. And Oklahoma's defense is nasty and deep. They probably have the deepest front seven in the SEC,

which you're used to that being Georgia, Alabama, or maybe Texas. it might really be Oklahoma this year. So two, one final part of this, I think, Andy, before we go to the next game. Mateer's a dog. Okay, first of all, tell us about the funny Johnny Mansell moment at the end that you saw. Well, I'll tell you why Mateer's a dog, first of all, because the Auburn defense had been affecting him too. But really the difference in this game was John Mateer's pocket awareness and mobility versus Jackson Arnold's pocket awareness and mobility because if Jackson Arnold had

still been Oklahoma's quarterback playing against Auburn's defense, he probably gets sacked a bunch of times. And John McIrear only got sacked once. And he's so good at moving out of trouble. But he still wasn't having the best game in the world when they got the ball after Auburn scored to take the lead. So Auburn scores to take a one point lead, Oklahoma gets the ball. And That was the best drive Oklahoma had all day. It was John Mateer was zipping the ball in there. And then the design runs for Mateer had not been working at all. And then when they needed it, that's how he scored.

You know, he goes around the right side, dives into the end zone, touchdown. That was the most successful design quarterback run they had all day. And if you remember the Michigan game and if you watch the Temple game, like they had a lot more successful design quarterback runs. So Mathier was fantastic. when he absolutely had to be. And so after the game, somebody asked him,

hey, you know, they're calling you money mater. How do you like that? And he goes, he goes, I actually kind of like it. He's like,

but, you know, I feel like I don't want to do the, the money Mansell thing because we're kind of two very different people. And, uh, you know,

gets a laugh. And he's like, I didn't know nothing against Johnny Manzell. He's awesome. And, and so it just sort of dies right there. And then he gets done talking and he's, he's about to walk out of the room and,

uh, was it Kerry? Carrie, were you the one who asked him? That was Eddie. It was Eddie. Eddie Radosovich asked him, asked him, Hey, do you want to expand on that difference between you and Johnny Mansell? And without missing a beat, John Matur goes, I'm going to church in the morning.

I don't know. Yeah. It would have been hard for Johnny to make it to church, I think, from the stories that I've heard. Yeah. Yeah. But, no, Materia is a lot of fun of him at all. Do you think he plays like a ball? Very similar. Very similar. Yeah.

Yeah. And I thoroughly enjoyed this game, and I think probably there's some people, like, you know, our guy, Sailor Joe, who's a Texas fan who's trying to cope right now because this is, they're not going to destroy Oklahoma like they did in Red River last year, that want to think both these teams were bad and this was sort of a slop fest. Uh-uh. Both these teams are good. this was the opposite of last year's Auburn Oklahoma game where you watched it

and you're like, oh boy, somebody's going to win this game, but the season ain't going to go great for either one of these teams. Yeah. I'm telling you right now, these two teams are good. Yeah. And, you know, hats off to Brent Venables, man. Two wins, one against Michigan, one against Auburn

in the first four games. You know, this is a guy that could easily have been in a position where people, you know, he could have been in Billy Napier's position right now. What if they were two? and two, you know, we don't think that would be happening. So, uh, and they're not, but you know what? He hired now, Venables is calling the defense. He did.

So it's like he gave a, he didn't give up play calling, but he hired a good offensive coordinator, which is what he needed to do. That was the change that needed to be made and he made it. So. Yeah. I also don't think that anybody in college football can, I mean, maybe 10 people in the same conversation of calling defense as well as he has historically too. Right.

And the difference is Billy Napier is not a great offensive play caller. and Brent Venables is a great defensive play car. So that's what it comes down to. But I'm really excited to see Oklahoma and Auburn going forward. I don't feel like Auburn should hang its head too much about what happened because I think they're going to beat a lot of teams. And I don't know if this is an appropriate segue, Andy. We've got a list of demarcation here that we've got to get through.

But like do we, are we going to talk about Texas and Sam Houston State or can we make a quick point? Yeah, make a quick point with Texas and Sam Houston State. Okay, so Arch Manning didn't look broken today. Okay, now you can excuse that away from, you know, hey, they play. Yeah, we're going to kill him for looking away, looked against Utah. We can, we can praise him for looking that way against Sam Houston State. 18 for 21, 309 yards, and three touchdowns, which is the perfect game that you want in a game like this. Texas 155 to nothing.

And there was one play, though, in the first quarter. that I wanted to talk to you about and I want to get your take on where Arch Manning took a short run into the end zone to extend their lead to 13, 14 nothing, 45 seconds left. Do you know this play I'm talking about? Yeah, I saw this. You're talking about the celebration? The celebration play where Arch Manning stood over the defender and, you know, yapped at him in like a very demeaning way.

And I really, really, really am struggling with this because on one hand, Manning has been through a lot the past few weeks, and you can imagine that he's got a lot of bottle of emotions about being called a bust and a loser constantly for the entire season. He's trying to find his swagger. He lets it out there. Two, he flexed on a future progressive insurance claims adjuster. And I don't know whether or not that's the time.

What is your take on Arch Manning's behavior there? Does that make it? If you're out there and it's a spontaneous celebration, and it's not like a plan dance or anything that's fine it's fine it's it's a it's you're just you're I'm not saying the emotions of the moment it's fine I'm not saying he did it's fun I just like the way you know he did it to a future progressive insurance claims it justice andy it's not that he did anything wrong but I saw two schools of thought here which is J.D. Pekyll our wonderful amazing colleague said I want to see more of this archmanning and then all the

replies were you want to see him flexing on Sam Houston State and I thought it was such a funny like circumstance because like you don't know who Archmanning is yet and there's a lot of doubt on one hand but on the other hand it's like don't you want him to be a dog or is being a dog in that situation in a game that you're going to win by 60 not the time to illustrate it I don't know what it is displays of emotion are fine it's fine it's okay maybe that guy was yapping at him the entire pregame or something you don't know like why somebody does something but I do think that it is funny. And Texas has some, some games coming up. We've got some games coming up. That's

right. That's right. And one of those games is Red River. Now, they go to Gainesville first. So that'll be something. That might be six to three. That game might be six to three. Or Arch may find himself. Or D.J. Lagway might find himself. But who really knows? Who knows? All right. Let us go to Columbia, Missouri, where Lenora Sellers did play for South Carolina and looks pretty good. But Missouri is a pretty good football team.

And Ahmaud Hardy is a bad man who I would not want to attempt to tackle. Got a text from an old Missou fan tonight. Holy shit, dude, we might be actually good this year. Yeah, you think? I think you're very good this year. Yeah, Probeula has been playing really, really well. and I know that South Carolina kind of hobbled into this game a little bit, but Lenora Sellers threw for 300 yards in this game,

and Mizzou 1 by 9 at home. Pribula went 16 of 27 for 171 yards in a touchdown and interception. Ahmaud Hardy, 138 yards rushing, 6.3 yards per rush in a touchdown, and Pribula had 72 yards rushing. Are we starting to question how good, Zoo actually is this year. You mean, do we think they could be really good? Yes, they could be really good.

Really good. Guess who they, now they play UMass next week. That's not going to tell us anything. Then they have a week off. I mean, it could tell us something if it goes the wrong way. Then they have a noon game against Alabama at 4-0 field. That game could tell us a lot about a lot of things. Dude, Mizzou has a four-game stretch

against Bama, Auburn, Fanderbilt, and A&M, and then Mississippi State and Oklahoma. So the fun thing is that we can speculate and we can live in the, you know, if you're a Mizzou fan, just live in the fantasy of being really good. But it may not be a fantasy. By November 11th or by November 15th,

November 8th, I should say, we'll know. Yeah, if it's a fantasy or if it's real. We will know. So Kansas wins aging well. Kansas won is aging well because Kansas destroyed West Virginia. Staying in the SEC, Ole Miss beats Tulane thoroughly. Ole Miss's defense showed up, Trinidad Shamblis. We had the Will Hammond conversation with Texas Tech.

Let's have the Trinidad Shambliss conversation with Ole Miss. Now, Austin Simmons, when he had to come in last week against Arkansas, looked very hurt still like that ankle still needs. time to recover so we may get a little more trinidad shamless before before lane kiffin has to figure out what he wants to do but yeah trinad jellis is awesome in the meantime like lane kiffin is like bouncing a basketball on the sideline for one of his players to dunk and i thought that was seriously one of the most disrespectful things i've ever seen in my entire life because he did it in the middle of the game like yes and it's the most lane kippin thing ever well it wasn't like toulain was

putting up much of fight i i said this game would have a bunch of points because old mrs defense had not looked that great. Well, Ole Miss's defense looked awesome. So now we may have to reframe how we feel about Ole Miss. Now, obviously, they've got SEC games to play, and we'll get a better idea of what's going on with them. But that was a pretty resounding win. That was a very, very emphatic win.

Now, guess what? Next week, 3.30 p.m. Eastern Time, 230 local. LSU comes to Oxford. We got a weekend next weekend, don't we, pal? We got a really good weekend. Buddy, you got that one? Guess what's at noon next weekend? It's not Bama, Georgia, right?

Notre Dame at Arkansas is at noon. Oh. That game's going to be crazy. Arkansas, Memphis was nuts. Yeah. Nuts. If Notre Dame's defense is bad. then Arkansas can make that game interesting, for sure.

If Notre Dame's defense is bad, Arkansas is going to score 40. Right. Arkansas loses a heartbreaker against Memphis. Fumble there at the end, allows Memphis to take over and wind down the clock. But Memphis came back from down 18 to win this game. I now, Tulane loses to Ole Miss. Memphis beats Arkansas. We keep changing who we think's going to emerge from the group of five every week.

But I've got Memphis in that. spot now in the projected playoff. Now, we will see because the American, I'll tell you right now, I think it'll be the American champ. I don't think it's going to be the champ of any of the other leagues. I think it'll be the American champ because there's actually a lot of really good teams in the American because USF's not bad. They just lost to Miami. Tulane, probably not bad, just lost Ole Miss. Memphis beat Arkansas. Watch out for North Texas. They got their first conference win in overtime against Army. there's good teams in the American.

This is going to be a wild race in that conference. Yeah, yeah. Memphis is good, man. I saw what you were catching a touch. Were you on the same side as me here? We both took Memphis, right? Yeah, I took Memphis. Yep.

Yeah, yeah. I don't think that people thought that this was a game that Arkansas could lose outright. And I didn't either. I thought Memphis would cover. I didn't think they'd win out. right, but they did. Yeah.

That fumble was huge. That was a big fumble. Talk about good peanut punches. That was a great peanut punch. Did you used to peanut punch your friends in class, like in high school, like with their books? Or is that just like an Arizona thing? Okay. It seems mean.

People used to like come up to me while I was like carrying books in the hallway and just smack them out of my hands. Just knock them out? It never happened. You ever heard of the squirrel tap? They ever do that in Florida? No. Do you know what the squirrel tap is? Is it a nutshot?

Yeah. That's what we used to call it. I don't know if they call it something different in Florida. Sack tap is what they called it in Florida. Yeah, squirrel tap in Phoenix. But, yeah. Did the person who did any of this stuff to you end up in a lifetime movie or two?

For those who don't know, I went to high school with a person named Mark Grossman. And he was a devastatingly handsome. I wasn't going to bring up names. I don't know if he's famous. He's famous. anything like that okay he's famous no he didn't pick on me i thought we were we weren't friends but we weren't okay okay like you know we were friendly but you know i don't i never saw him pick on anybody

but he was like the prototypical handsome dude uh in high school like that you would depict or that you would see depicted in a lifetime movie and he turned out to be like this six foot four devastatingly handsome dude with like a six pack and guess what he grew up to depict those types of high school kids in lifetime movies in real life. He's an actor and now is like the one of the main characters in the young and the restless, which still is

a show and very popular and like he's got like hundreds of thousands of followers and I think a lot of old ladies are attracted to him. So many granny panties in the mail. Go look up. That's where maybe the panties and Mike, you know, if he came and visited it, maybe that's where the panties came from. I don't know. Mark Grossman

and I went to high school and graduated together. Go look him up. He's really hot. he's on TV. All right. I have nowhere to go from there. But we do need to talk about Notre Dame, got their first win, 56 to 30 against Purdue in a game

that was delayed by lightning for a long time. And Purdue had a play that I think everybody in football is going to copy now. And it was one of those things where we'd never, everybody's like, we've never seen this, but why have we never seen that? How come nobody's done this before? It was like,

a basic read option handoff and then the back, like the quarterback just floats backward and the back throws it to the quarterback on the sideline and he runs in for a touchdown. Yeah. How did nobody ever think of this before? But it was awesome. But Notre Dame scored a lot more. Jadarian price was, uh,

was all over the place. Guys, I got a, I got to say I'm sorry to you all. Um, we had John Ewing from BetMGM on the show this week. And Andy, I don't know if you remember after we got done recording.

he said, oh, I forgot to tell somebody that's a trend. And the trend was teams that start off 0 and 2 who remain in the top 15 are horrid against the spread. And I don't remember what the stat was or how far back it went. But basically it was bet on Purdue.

You guys might have seen that Purdue was a 26 and a half point dog in this game. I took his advice and I just played a small bet on this just because I like the trends and he's smart. John it looked like this was going to be an L the entire way. Notre Dame won by 26

and they got hooked. It was a win and I wish we would have been able to give that out on the show. We forgot to do it. Next time John Ewing comes on, I'm going to have him I'm going to make a point to open the interview with weird trends and stats that show that.

What do you have for us, John? That's where you need to start. What do you have for it? Because it was a backdoor cover, too. Notre Dame was winning 56 to 23, I think, at one point. And then Purdue scored late to backdoor it. And I was, like, laughing because it's like, ah, God damn it, you nailed it again. That did. So if you're a gambler, you need to make sure that you stick with both of our guys,

Tyler Shoemaker and John Dewey and they know their stuff and repping tonight, repping our brand tonight. That's right. Presented by BetMGM, Andy Narion 3. already now we've we've talked about the good news for a lot of teams let's get to the bad news do we want the bad news in clemson or the bad news in madison are we going to do it separately or are we going to form them together they're not the same thing so i think we do them separately separately okay let's start with wisconsin it's bloodier oh my god they're so bad

maryland destroys wisconsin today now we do need to give maryland their flowers This was an excellent game. Malik Washington, their freshman quarterback, is going to be really good. He's been good so far this season already. You can tell that he's just going to keep getting better. He was outstanding today. But Wisconsin is so bad. Now, they started Billy Edwards Jr. in this game.

Remember, he got hurt in game one, hurt his knee. he came back, but gave it a go and it was clear that he was still, still hurt. So they bring Danny O'Neill in. And look, you can't blame this on the quarterback being hurt. They did not even have a pulse for most of the day. They were down 273 late in the fourth quarter. This is, I mean, I just don't understand how they can be this bad under Luke Fickle. Like, when they took the job, I was like, how could this pop up?

possibly go wrong. This guy was a winner at Cincinnati. He built these great rosters at Cincinnati. Now he's at a place where they've got money. So how on earth could this possibly fail? And it is an utter and abject failure. And Ari, remember the text message I sent to you on Wednesday? Wednesday afternoon when I texted you about Wisconsin? Of their schedule? I said, I said, what is Wisconsin's record if they lose to Maryland on Saturday. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Wisconsin is going to be an underdog in the remaining nine games, or the remaining eight games. Like two and ten's on the table, guys. It's on the table. Yeah. Yeah, it is on the table. Andy, how mean should I be on a scale from one to ten? Tell the truth.

The question. that I have more than anything is do you think that this is a Luke Fickle issue or do you think this is a Wisconsin program issue? It's probably both. But here's the thing. Wisconsin is what, I don't have the list in front of me of the richest athletic departments, but they're a big 10 school. So they're probably somewhere between 15 and 20. You've got money. Buy better players, whether that's Luke Fickle or some other coach, buy better players. Like, Luke, Luke Fickle has not bought better players. Luke Fickle looked at the roster,

coached it, and somehow decided that they didn't need to get better athletically. Like if you go back to his first year, when it was quite obvious, they needed to get better athletically, they needed to be faster, they needed to be more dynamic. They didn't get better players.

And there's no reason that Indiana can get such good players and you can't at Wisconsin. yeah there's no reason for that yeah and i guess like if you feel like you can get good players and there's a way out of everything right but i i do think we spent so much time we were at the athletic together when this all was going down and we were talking about wisconsin and how they they were committed to winning and the fact that they fired paul chris in the middle of the year then they made a big splash to get the trendiest g5 head coach who took cincinnati to the playoff and all this stuff and it's just like I wonder if it's a or during that conversation too we also knew

one unequivocal thing about Luke fickle and that was that he was not going to jump at any job and that he was only going to take one job he had to have looked at this thing and said okay this is a good situation so I don't understand why this isn't working but the only thing I can think of is he doesn't know what his roster is supposed to look like if you think you're going to win in the big 10 or because there's no way you just can't get anybody you have money yeah it seems like square peg round hold type of deal here because like i don't think that luke fickle all of a sudden sucks as being a coach i just don't know if like luke fickle can exist there like i wonder if he's going to go be a defensive coordinator for notre dame or something

next year and then just Well, Notre Dame might need one. So I'm saying like, you know, just as a hypothetical scenario and then he goes, takes another job somewhere else. Sam in the chat, y'all are missing the Grinch here. Yes, Alex Grinch is coaching with Lou Fickle now. So there is that. Yeah.

I don't want to be too mean. It's bad. The buyout is really high. Let me put it this way. If they paid Lou Fickle's buyout, it would be the second highest buyout ever. paid behind Jimbo Fishers. I don't, I don't know if they would do that. Yeah.

Yeah, I would not be feeling very safe if I were their AD right now either. Chris McIntosh probably isn't feeling the most safe. Andy? How much money? How much money would you pay for life-saving surgery? I mean, whatever I had to. Is that what Wisconsin's going to feel at the end of the year?

I think it's what Wisconsin feels right now. River, play the video of the fans. Pickle. I mean, that's just out loud. And so Luke Fickle got asked about it. And I will say he had a pretty good response. As you could imagine at this point,

a lot of frustration from the fan base. I'm sure you heard the chance during the game. What did they say something? yeah um what's your message to the fan me i feel them yeah i feel what they you know it's it's i feel what they what their pain is you know um but there's nothing that we can do other than keep grinding keep working uh we have to play better so you know i don't get upset i don't you know lose my mind because of of you know what the way they feel it's they're passionate about what they what they do they and what they want to see and that's what you love about this place and and that's what

you know, that's what you know you signed up for when you came here. Knowing this place is passionate about it, they've got a history, and they expect more, just like I do. I'm not sure they're capable of playing better. That's the problem. They play Michigan next. We'll see. I mean, I, like, the play better thing.

I can see Michigan, I can see Michigan just running through them. The play better thing is like something you would hear from a team that they don't have the players to win. No. Like, Billy Napier's team needs to play better. They have the players to win. Like, Luke Fickle's team can play better. It's still going to lose most of these games. Yeah.

Yeah. And he was going to say something about his family in that quote and then stopped himself. I don't know if you picked up on that. I did. I did pick up on that. Yeah. It's frustrating because you don't want people to have to go through stuff like that. But when you take jobs that pay what these jobs pay,

and look, if Luke Fickle gets fired, he never has to work again. Like, if you're going to take that, part of that comes with the pressure to actually produce. I would. And he's done nothing to earn that. Lovingly stand in a loud football stadium and having everybody say fire Wasserman in front of my family for that buyout. We get that every day now. What's the? We don't get anywhere near him.

what Luke Fickleke's paid. Yeah. It's not that bad. Yeah. Well, not in front of my family. That would suck. My kids, read, my kids sometimes read the comments, and I'm like, why do you do that? Oh, do you read the comments.

Yeah. Yeah. Don't read the comments. I don't have to think about that yet, but, you know, it's just, yeah, it's just, yeah, it's, it's just, I hate to say it this way. It's just sad. It is sad. The situation is in. And we all got it wrong.

I'll be the first to admit I got it wrong. I thought Luke Fickle was going to be awesome at Wisconsin. I wonder if he thinks he made a mistake going there. I'm sure he thinks he made a mistake going there. Yeah. I'm sure he does. But that's where they are and they're going to have to figure out what they want to do. I just feel like Michigan State or even Illinois or a team in the Big Ten that's closer to Ohio.

and it's just fixing Wisconsin is more complex than I think we gave it. But it's not. Barry Alvarez gave you the blueprint. Just do what he did with good players. Sign better players. Like, we tend to make things too hard sometimes. But I don't think Fickle went to Wisconsin to do what Barry Alvarez did,

which is the problem, I think. Yeah. Well, whoever they hire next, do what Barry Alvarez did, use that big 10 money to buy good players, win games. It's not that complicated. It really isn't. Let's go to a situation that actually is complicated because Davosweeney is not just Clemson's best coach ever.

He is one of the best coaches in the history of college football. He's won two national titles. It's one of eight the last 10 ACC titles. He took a program that was, you know, slightly above the midline of its conference and turned it into one of the best programs in the country. There's no denying what Davos-Sweeney has done. There's also no denying that Clemson is bad this year. Syracuse went to Memorial Stadium and clobbered them, clobbered them.

Fran Brown, who we love on this show, he's been on this show, and you can't, I mean, you talk to the guy for two minutes and you get it. for him brown's not a great job at syracuse but that syracuse team should not be beating this clemson team like this in clemson shouldn't be yeah i don't know what what is wrong with dabbo's team i wrote off this second week in a row i wrote a clemson column but i did not write a column this week off of his rant and if you listen to the show or follow college football i'm sure you're keenly aware of yeah what he said nature of that do this somewhere else and I'll win a bunch of games. I'm just getting started. I'm 55.

Yeah. If they're tired of winning, they can send me on their way because that's all we've done is win. And then he said he was winning the league out of eight in the last 10 years. And I think that if I feel like I'm torn on this too, because on one hand, Dabo Sweeney is responsible. Like, Davosweeney has been so good at Clemson that they will build a statue of that man outside of the state. Of course. And I think they would have already probably. I bet he won't let him you know he's a statue coach so i understand from his standpoint we won the league eight out of the last 10 years and you guys are sick of me why a person in his position would resent that but on the other hand i don't think that his past glory excuses him from current failure

And whether or not Clemson wins the ACC is the standard, wherever you stand on that, the fact is that they have not had a team that could conceivably win a national championship in six years. Six years. And in 2020, they made the playoff, and they got their doors blown off by Ohio State.

And that was the last time that they were a team that people thought could. The following year, I think they lost two games, and then they lost three and then four. And then, you know, the Georgia game happened a few years ago, and they were been blown out by really good teams. And the question that I have for Davo is, is winning the ACC the standard at Clemson, or is fielding a team that could conceivably win a national championship to standard? In how many years... Well, I mean, it's written all over the walls. Do you know what the standard is?

What does it say the world? Best is the standard. best is the standard. It's what it says on every wall at Clemson. The question, that's the first time I was at Clemson was last week. Cut me some slack here. But the question to me, if I were to ask Dabo, is how many years of not having a team good enough to win the national title does it take before you think fans have a right to be

upset? Because that rant was a resentful rant. There was an ultimatum in that rant. You can tell that. Also, you're talking about not winning the national title. Like, this team's not going to win the ACC. Yeah. This team needs to worry about finishing 500 or better.

If what we saw today is representative of what we can expect from them going forward. It's absolutely banana land because they do have a team that I thought, at least on paper, would have been one of the deeper, more talented teams on the sport. I considered ranking Clemson number one of my preseason. And of all the things that I've been wrong about this year, Arch Manning Heisman stuff and DJ Lagway number one quarterback stuff, I think the thing that I have been most wrong about, the most egregiously wrong about,

was what Clemson was going to be this year. Yeah, I could be wrong. I mean, DJ looked pretty bad again tonight. He did, but Clemson has so many good players individually. This product that is being put on the field does not make sense. It doesn't make sense. All like wound up of like, oh, you spent all offseason hyping up Clemson. What's your problem?

They're different than they used to be. And it's like, dude, our analysis is simple. It's not complicated. We looked at their roster. We saw the players that are going to be taken highly in the NFL draft. We put two and two together with a coaching staff that's one repeatedly and thought, hey. But there's something deeper here. This isn't transfer portal stuff.

This isn't recruiting. stuff. When your team is this bad when you have really good players, there's something rotten happening there. And I don't know what it is. I'm not there every day. I can't analyze it, but it is abundantly clear that something is off or a miss or wrong. And I think that the Clemson fans have every right to be disappointed or upset with the product that they put on the field. and I also think that Davo Sweeney has every right to be resentful of fans being disappointed in him. I don't know what the right answer is here, but Davo is still getting paid 11.5 mill a year to put on a national championship contender team on the field.

And he also is one of the greatest coaches of all time. So wherever you stand on that, I guess, is your temperament as a fan. I'm sure Clemson fans don't even disagree on how to view him. The one thing I do know for sure is that Clemson is still paying a. coach to meet a standard that is not being met whether he won 10 national championships or zero it's not being met period yeah speaking of coaches who've won lots of championships and not meeting a standard guess who has clemson next on their schedule i have to look at this up bill belichick in north carolina in two weeks what happened to bill bellichick in north

carolina on saturday they went to orlando and they got dog walked by uc f 30 49 it wasn't ever really close and UCF you remember the TCU players after they beat North Carolina in the end zone they recreated the mermaid picture of Bill Belichick and

Jordan Hudson I do well this time UCF used Nitro its mascot to recreate another famous Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson's picture except instead of Jordan Hudson on top it's a giant W.

This sport, man. This is all we're going to get. Clemson will be the only team that doesn't do this to North Carolina. Maybe because North Carolina might beat Clemson at this rate. But whenever teams beat North Carolina, they're going to crush Bill Belichick on social media. They're going to crush Jordan Hudson on social media. We still don't know when that first episode of the Hulu show is coming out. But man, I can't wait to see that.

Thank you, Jordan. I'm sorry. By the way, you cannot take that picture or any of those ridiculous pictures and think you're not going to get crushed eventually from it. Now, listen, she's a beautiful woman. He's proud to be with her. I'm sure there are a lot of people in the chat who would like to take a picture with a beautiful woman like that if they could get that person. if my wife said Ari were going to the beach, I need you to put a hook in my mouth

and you're going to reel me out of the ocean, I would probably do it too. Okay, I didn't win six super six. I've seen the pictures from your themed family parties. That was a 90th birthday party for a grand, her grandma. Okay, and it was a 70s theme. It's not that crazy.

I've never done anything like what. And by the way, I don't know if you know this. The birthday party that you mocked me incessantly for all week was mermaid themed and there was a woman. Did you see all the pictures? No, I just saw. They hired a woman to to sit on the edge of the pool in a mermaid get up. Costume. And I, costume. And like her whole job was to entertain kids at the end of the pool. Was it Jordan Hudson? And it may, and it reminded me a Jordan Hudson. And I was laughing to myself at this party. And, you know, I have few people who listen to the show are at the party. If you're listening to it now, you know what I'm talking about.

You, there is an endless number of funny graphics you can make to Needle, North Carolina. It is endless. That one with Nitro with a W is a 10 out of 10 hilarious. And like, I honestly am looking forward to seeing how other people do it. Yeah, but Clemson won't do it. But maybe because Clemson might not win. What a sport. Ari, we'll be back with videos on Sunday.

We have games to prep everybody for. early previews of Alabama, Georgia, of Oregon Penn State. We got picks on Monday. This ain't stopping anytime soon. This freight train keeps on rolling. What a season so far. Thanks so much for being with us. Thanks so much for taking the ride with us.

We will talk to you again soon. Thank you.