Andy & Ari On3 - Why Texas A&M can be the ultimate agent of CHAOS in 2025

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

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We're gonna do some basketball packs later in the week because tournaments coming, conference tournaments are starting. Let's go. call back later in the week because tournaments coming, conference tournaments are starting, let's go. And welcome to Andy and Ari on three officially. And Ari, this particular show, this particular topic came to us

as we were developing our 10 most difficult schedule list late last week. There was a team that kept popping up on every difficult schedule. And it was one of those where it wasn't it didn't look like the hardest game for the teams that we were talking about. But it was not one that we were guaranteeing a win for any of the teams we were talking about. And then you and I got to thinking about it like, What if Texas A&M is really good? They could really mess up a lot of people's seasons.

Yeah, I feel like Texas A&M on an annual basis is one of the hardest teams to project because on one hand they have a ton of talent, but on the other, you know, they've been in transition and before they were in transition they had Jimbo Fisher and you worried about their offense. There's always a lot of drama around the A&M football program. And I think that the hope here, and a step in the right direction with Mike Elko a year ago, was that maybe that drama would tame a little bit and then the talent would be able to finally reach its potential. But then there's been a bunch of turnover too. So like that 2021 class that set recruiting records for most stars or most ranked players in the top 100 is like no longer like really impacting the

team anymore. But that doesn't mean they don't have a great defensive line. They always do. Terry Bussey is a really good young receiver who I think is primed for a breakout year. Marcel Reed showed really big signs of stardom potentially last year. Then it's like if Texas A&M turned out to be a 10-win team, then as you put it, there's a lot of teams in dire situations in the SEC that are going to have to run into them a lot of times on the road. I mean, like, look at like if you look at this right here, teams that are having pretty important seasons, Auburn, they get them at home. Florida, they get them at home. LSU, again, South Carolina, like their entire schedule is kind of just like,

it's like a landmine and you don't know whether it's going to go off or not. But if it goes off and A&M wins 10 games this year, there's going to be a lot of teams in the SEC in the world of her. Sorry if I stole the nut-grap there, but like that's what we're talking about today. No, that's exactly right. And that's, that's the point I wanted to get across. And Producer River and I were going through schedules beforehand. River, can you put Florida schedule up there. So let's take a look at this where A&M fits into Florida's schedule, because A&M is a team that beat Florida last year. This is one if you think if Florida is significantly better, if Florida is a potential playoff contender, that they should be able to beat Texas A&M.

But look at where this game falls. They will have played at LSU, at Miami and hosted Texas in the three immediate preceding weeks before they go on the road to play Texas A&M. And as you go through these schedules, as we did last week and through the weekend, A&M is on schedules. And like you said, it didn't really move the needle either way, because it was kind of like, well, you know, if they're playing on the road, we know that's going to be a hard environment. Obviously, Kyle Field is a tough place to play, but we weren't necessarily sure that that was like an oh my gosh, you know, meter bumper when it came to how hard your schedule was. But if A&M turns out to be good, then Florida is screwed. I know that they're not already, but like it just especially

coming off those three games like yeah, there's a cumulative effect of having to play those three teams in a row and they get an open week between Miami and Texas, but Texas and A&M back to back. Yeah. And then the second half of that back to back being A&M on the road because even if they play Texas tough, like they're going to get the crap beat out of them in that game, right? So even if they play Texas tough, they're going to get the crap beat out of them in that game. So even if they end up winning that game, having to respond to the emotional lift that you would get in a hypothetical win over Texas

to go all the way across country on the road, well, not all the way across country, you get it. It's halfway. It's halfway, and Texas is big. And there goes my camera. We are talking about a situation here where Florida is in deep, deep trouble.

I mean, like if you look at Florida schedule right now Andy, if you count A&M is a tough game and it is a tough game. If you count it as a hard game. Then like the only breather that they might have on this entire thing is Mississippi State and maybe in our

case for Kentucky. Once they get into the schedule. Yeah, it is rough and we've talked about Florida, if they were to be as good as they hope to be, they have to earn it and they would absolutely have to earn it. So, and this is the thing with A&M and the thing that made it so interesting looking at A&M schedule is when we did this 10 most difficult schedules, we kept coming up with teams and we'd say, hey, you know, this looks like a pivotal year for this team. This looks like a coach who they've got to have a really good year. So Auburn is in this spot.

Florida is in this spot. Arkansas is in this spot. L is in this spot. Arkansas is in this spot. LSU, Brian Kelly's fine. But if LSU goes eight and four, the natives go very restless at that point. South Carolina is expecting to have this huge season. So they're in this spot, not because Shane Beamer is in any danger or anything, but because they think this is going to be a special season and that's one of those they probably have to win

for it to be one. And it is, every game is going to be just massive in terms of stakes, not necessarily for the Aggies, but for whoever they're playing. Yeah, well here too, like in the chat, like the Wolverine scoop here is taking a shot at A&M, the agent of eight and four, right? Yeah. Eight and four can still cause a lot of problems. Some problems, right? Like if

they win, like, well, what was their game last year? Their game last year against Mizzou, that game caused some issues for Mizzou, I think, right? And like they destroyed Mizzou. Yeah, like A&M has one of those in them every year and like if that happens against Florida or LSU, you're still going to cause those problems. Now, the only thing that that A&M could do to get out of the way is be four and eight, which I don't see happening either. So, you know, and here's the thing too, like we both had a lot of

really great things to say about Elko last year. I think that both of us, where were you on the higher? I was really high on the higher. I thought that it was perfect for A&M to do something that wasn't splashy for the sake of it being splashy, to get somebody that they entrusted to be, what do we say about Matt Rule? Relentless competence, right? Like, and you put yourself in that position with the talent on that team, with a good culture without drama, you put yourself in a position where you might have some success. So like to me, like I think that this is a very pivotal year in A&M's development too, because like listen, let's be honest, if A&M does go seven

and five or eight and four, people are gonna start grumbling about him. You don't get a lot of runway. So like, it's an important year for their development and their ascension. And if you look at their roster, they're too deep, they actually have pieces and important places to be a very good football team again, especially if Marcel Reed is a star. Like, think about all the quarterbacks we're talking about this year, or coming into the year in the SEC specifically. I mean you've got Gunnars Stockton and Lenore Sellers and DJ Lagway and Arch Manning. Like there's a lot of names, but like he has a lot of experience and looked very good at times last year and was very good. So Austin in the chat, the title is saying A&M will be somewhat a contender. Laugh out loud, no chance. Austin again, Texas eight and four incoming once again, LOL. Austin, if they go eight and four, they're gonna wreck somebody's world. Also, it's possible that eight and four

against their schedule puts them on the edge of the playoff discussion. Like I think last year, I think last year people thought, well, nobody with three losses got in. That's never going to happen. I think that more years than not moving forward. More teams are going to get in at not with three losses than we think. Like I did. If you did like a simulation and NCAA football of the next 10 years, Andy. How many times out of those 10 do you think we were going to get playoff teams with three losses? I would say seven out of 10 years. Yeah, yeah.

And look, they could have been that last year, but I think it was the Auburn game that got them last year. That was just the, if they win that Auburn game, they go into the Texas game and all of a sudden would have been different story. So I just, I think yeah, they may go eight and four, but that's the whole point of this. Like if they go eight and four here, there's still a problem for somebody. If Texas A&M goes eight and four, there's a very good chance they help get somebody fired. If you think about it that way. If they go nine and three,

they might get two people fired. So that's the thing, that's the way you gotta look at it. And as Ari was pointing out, A&M expects better than eight and four, they expect better than seven and five, and they're going to be mad if it's eight and four. Like they want improvement for Mike Elko. Mike Elko is supposed to do better than Jimbo Fisher did. So that is the issue that you've got to look at here too, is Mike Elko is under a lot of pressure to do this as well, but it is amazing to me the intersection of all these different pivotal seasons that we're

talking about. Because Ari, what did we talk about on the show on Friday last week where we had Sam Pittman, we had Billy Napier. We talked about where Brian Kelly's at at LSU, which is not in danger of getting fired, but he has to take another step with LSU. You know, I saw yesterday too, and I'm going to get back to what you just said, Andy, the Wolverine scoop here again,

Texas eight and four hasn't been a contender since 1929. Again, anything that happens. They don't have to contend. Like we're trying to explain that like this isn't a podcast trying to explain to you that A&M is going to go win the national championship. That's not what we're doing here. What we're doing here is saying if 8 and 4 A&M, because 8 and 4 in the SEC most years is a pretty good year. That makes you a tough team. It makes you a tough out and you play one of the most menacing stadiums in college football. Even if you want to make them eight and four right now, where are the

four losses there means that they've lost to what Florida, Texas, LSU, Notre Dame, in Notre Dame. So that means that on their schedule, they will have beaten either Auburn in South Carolina or Florida in South Carolina or LSU in Florida. Like they ate or Mizzou. Yeah, exactly. That need wins. That's what we're trying to say. It ain't in four is dangerous. Yeah. Dangerous for every team that by the way, Florida isn't a national championship team right now. We don't think right but they're going in the year where they need to win 910 games. Auburn needs to win games this year. It's a very volatile year like this year's coaching carousel

was subdued. Mm hmm. The SEC is on fire right now. I was talking to it. I was talking to an agent the other day. There were five of those jobs available last year. And this agent thinks there might be 15 this year. It was very subdued for a lot of reasons. And it may be that it all comes back around. Yeah. And also too, dare to dream. Dare to dream. Well, right. I mean, eventually they are going to... This has always been my take on Texas A&M

and what mystifies me about Texas A&M. Like how do you have that dedicated fan base, that great location, that beautiful stadium that's always full and always rocking and not fall ass backward into a 10 or 11 win season every once in a while? Well, here's what I think is interesting, Andy. And you make this point in the college football playoff a lot. And I think it's a very astute and real point. And that point is, if you keep making the college football playoff and you keep knocking on the door, eventually you're going to break through the door, right? Like you say that all the time about teams, and it's true, right? We just saw Texas do it, OK?

What about knocking on the doors of program? Like that's what A&M does. Like when you think about the investment that they have, just sitting there going like this. I mean, 30 years leading. But like as a program. What's the number one most frustrating thing for a fan?

If they are, if their favorite football team isn't performing. It's probably lack of investment, right? Lack of care. Like there's fans out there that root for teams that don't give their program enough ammo in the off season to at least assemble a team that could theoretically be good. A&M doesn't just give them the ammo, they're firing machine guns at this thing.

I mean, like they are. I mean, they are like, is there another program in college football that has paid more money to be good at football? And usually if you pay, I'm sure like Georgia and Ohio State and those teams, you know,

have similar investment, but A&M there isn't a check that isn't too big for them to write for them to try to be good. And like eventually, even if you keep spending your money poorly, like it's like me and my stock portfolio, you know, my, you know, at my, uh, the threshold that I need for my, my stock, give me three letters I'm in, like that's it, but eventually every now and then one of those three letters is going to go up 80%

Most of them might go down 70, but you might like who you're saying is you trip into something good Yeah, and you think about it. It's been 13 years since the Johnny Manziel season or the Johnny Manziel's redshirt freshman year the year He won the Heisman that was their first year in the SEC They've certainly outperformed expectations that year because that was the year that Kevin Sumblin comes to SEC media days and basically everybody's asking, how scared are you of the SEC? And he's like, I don't, I mean, what am I supposed to say to that? And then they were incredible. And I think that probably overinflated expectations in College Station for a long time because it was like, oh, well you can come into the SEC. And that was a good year in the SEC because remember Alabama is the national champ. They beat them on

the road. Georgia was great. They didn't play them, but they did beat or they lost to Florida, a Florida team that wound up going 11 and one, but because they didn't really know what they had in Manzella because it was the first game because they had to cancel the Louisiana Tech game or had to move it. So like they were really good that year. If there'd been a college football playoff in 2012 that had 12 teams, Texas A&M would have been a very tough out. It would have been a scary team to draw. Yeah when you go back in time and you look at certain teams like that A&M team that didn't get a chance to play in the playoff and then you like try to envision what their run could have been like that, A&M team that didn't get a chance to play in the playoff, and then you like try to envision what their run could have been,

like that could have been really exciting. So here's a theory that I have about A&M, and I want, you know, this is off-season theory time. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So you know this about me, and I think a lot of the people who listen to the show know this about me, but my wife went there, okay? My wife grew up in Las Vegas and she wanted to go

out of state. So like if you can picture somebody who grew up in Las Vegas and Andy, you've met my wife, some of you are aware of how she is. A&M is not what you would expect. Not me to school, I guess. No. And people to this day, you know, we're in our mid thirties now and they go, you went to A&M, really? Like people are like stunned by it. But so she was gonna go to UT, which is much more her speed, right? But I think something happened when she was 17

with financial aid or something that caused her to go to A&M, sight unseen. And then she was gonna transfer to Texas. And instead she went there and made a bunch of friends and fell in love with A&M and stayed there. Okay. So the reason why I tell you the story is because A&M is a very wonderful place. Okay. A lot of people don't like it. And a lot of people think it's weird, right? Because they do things differently than most places. The people who went to A&M love A&M,

I would say more than most people love their schools. But you can't, me being there a few times now and seeing, like, you know, I went to the Stars game last week and the person next to us was like a 50 year old man wearing his A&M ring. Like there's a lot of those people, okay, and who have more college pride than you'll find at most places. But you can't have this conversation without simultaneously also acknowledging that it's different.

Which brings me to my point, that when you are bringing in a football team with the use of NIL and you're going into places in Texas and across the country that don't align with the way you do things all the time, you will find players who go to A&M and fall in love with it. But you will also go to play, get players that go to A&M, don't play very early and then are looking around are like, why am I going to a hoedown this weekend? That's not what I'm saying, right? For as much as you want to acknowledge that you can fall in love with the things about College Station and Texas A&M, you also have to acknowledge that it might not be for everybody.

And sometimes what I question about A&M is, if they spend a lot, and this is just a theory, okay? Don't throw eggs at me. I could be completely wrong. But A&M has a ton of roster turnover typically, right? And I think part of that is because of the transient nature in which they acquire some of those players. If you do it with finances and say, hey, come here with money, then you're more likely to not keep that player because they didn't choose the place for you. But then also the people who go there with thinking of the big stadium and the SEC football environment who don't play immediately might not have the same patience if it's not their type of environment that they might at another place. So the thing that I've always wondered about A&M from a consistency standpoint is the investment. We know the investment is there. We know that people want to go there. And we know that a lot of people enjoy it. But what about the people who don't enjoy it? What about the people who are just fish out of water who

didn't have the same type of connection to the place that my wife ended up having? Is it harder to keep players on your roster at A&M developing behind the scenes there than it is at other places that are more typical college environments? And that's what I've always wondered about that place. Yeah, and I think I think Mike Elko understands that. And we've had him on the show a couple times. You know, he definitely seems to be taking a different tack than Jimbo Fisher did in terms of recruiting. Obviously, they want to get the best players. They're still going to pony up for the best players. But it seems less a chase for stars as in the stars that we assign to players at on three and more of this person looks like they might

fit. Right. And I think, I think that at a place like Texas A&M that matters a lot. And so Ari, we're scheduled to talk to Dabo Tweeney for tomorrow's show. Like, I don't know if there's anybody better at finding people who fit. What you want in the program and, and, and the place and understanding the place then Dabo Tweeney, like they don't have any turnover hardly at Clemson. Well, that's the thing too.

It's like before the NIL era, if you would talk to people in recruiting departments, their number one thing, Andy, was always, well, we want to find good players, but we also want to find the ones that fit our culture, that fit our team, that fit our place. You know, and I think that that is probably becoming less and less important in terms of like how you get players on your roster. I think A&M was under Jimbo, especially that one class. It wasn't, they weren't worried about fit. They weren't even worried about position balance. Position balance, yeah.

There's like, oh, seven, you know, top 100 defensive linemen want to come in one class? Sure, come on. Which by the way, I know people criticize that. I would do that every year. Offensive and defensive lineman if you get that many good ones yes you take them.

There's one position where you can take an out balanced number of players who are really good. That's the position I would do it in. But the thing that I think is interesting is is that if Elko understands that and I think that he does, if A&M gets really good

players who love College Station, who want to stay there, who want to exist in that environment, who want to develop behind the scenes and be ready in years two and three, because more and more in college football, you don't have that who's waiting in the wings mentality. And like, I think A&M is a place

that would serve itself well by having that waiting in the wings mentality. I mean, they have more roster turnover on an annual basis. You know I think I don't know like if you did the numbers or Nikos did it like would A&M on average in the portal era you know be amongst the highest transient college in the entire country and that doesn't mean they don't have good players but do they have players who are staying in their bot in for the long haul? Or are they cashing checks, not being happy, and then bouncing to somewhere else the first second they have an opportunity to do so? I think all of the SEC schools are going to have a pretty high transient rate.

Yeah, but like in this era. The A&M's can't be 30% more than everyone else. No, and that's part of Mike Elko's... With their opponents. Yeah, that's part of Mike Elko's mandate is recruit guys at high school who want to be there and who you can develop as opposed to feeling like you have to get out of the portal. Because you know, and so this year they lose Noah Thomas to

Georgia. He was probably the best receiver last year. They bring in Mario Craver from Mississippi State and Casey Concepcion from NC State. So that's good. But what's better is you do it homegrown. Now their offensive line's homegrown. Marcel Reed's homegrown, their quarterback.

And Connor Wegman would have been, if things worked out there. It's not that they don't, I mean, they recruit the hell out of Texas. So, you know, it just, I think it's got to be more top 10 classes of people who love A&M and less top three classes with people who don't. And that is the hardest thing, I think, when you are chasing that success and you haven't gotten it yet because like it's easy for Marcus Freeman now at Notre Dame to say this is how we do this. This is the way it works dabba we were just talk about he's been almost to stubborn. At times.

But it's coming back around. It seems to be working for him now. You know, you saw what Nick Saban did. You've seen what, like Ryan Day can just say, this is how we do this. And it works. Steve Sarkeesian's found the formula that works at Texas. With Texas A&M, I think the frustrating part is they've never actually figured out the formula.

Yeah. So they can't just say, this is how it should work at Texas A&M because it's never actually worked the way they want it to. Can I like blow the idea that you called me with yesterday just to give a little bit of a taste like are we gonna do that? We can do it later but yeah go ahead. I don't like it. Good thought exercise right now. So Andy and I were kicking around the idea that we got, that he got an idea from somebody, a friend of the program,

about trying to identify identities of programs, right? Like, what is your identity? And it's a difficult thing to do. But then I also like look at A&M and it just like, well, here we are, let's do it. Like, what is the identity of the program there? And like, I think you need to, and if we can't answer it now, that's okay. We'll do it later.

But I think that a lot of times too, whenever I've like broken down coaches, fits and who's going to be successful, who I'd want to keep long term, who I wouldn't, I've always thought, Andy, have an identifiable plan that you can not only stick to, but also be successful with, right? And I think that there are certain places who have that plan and have it well. Like LSU's plan is always going to be the same. It's to recruit the hell out of Louisiana, hit Houston and the surrounding areas to bolster classes, but they are a very homegrown elite level program with really good players. And no matter who the coach is,

the blueprint has been set out for decades on how to win there. Like you know exactly what LSU is. And I think that that's what makes it one of the most attractive jobs in the country. Like I think you agree with me on that. Absolutely. The question that I have for A&M is, if you are in a place like Texas, shouldn't you have a very similar identity? And maybe you're trying to do that. But also, in this state, it's much more difficult than it is in

Louisiana, because you have Texas, you have Texas Tech, you've got Nebraska, you've got Oklahoma coming down, yeah, you've got Alabama, Ohio State got Oklahoma coming down, you've got Alabama, Ohio State has spent an inordinate amount of time in Texas over the course of the past 10 years. Like it's not as easy to own your state and just from a geographical standpoint, there's just so much more miles, so much more land to cover. It's not a typical state. But I think that A&M has to come up with an identity that you can summarize in a sentence or two, stick to that plan and be successful with it. Because A&M is a wonderful place.

The people that I've met through my wife who went there are wonderful people. I've enjoyed my time going there. It's different. Certainly, I think that's the charm of it. But you also can find people who identify with that environment and wanna stay in that environment and want to be Aggies. And the thing that's so interesting to me

is that this isn't a unique thing to just A&M. You don't think that Notre Dame has to overcome the same obstacle of being a private Catholic school? Like, it's like, it's also funny too, like even if I fall back on my experience covering Ohio State, you don't think there were players that didn't want to play for Urban Myers, like ruler mentality, who would rather play for Ryan Day, even at places like Ohio State, You don't think there were players that didn't want to play for Urban Myers like ruler mentality who would rather play for Ryan Day.

Even at places like Ohio State that changes a little bit. Coaches personas and personalities and coaching tactics always alter, but you want to find the players that will thrive in that environment. And A&M has gone through a huge change, not just with their coach because Jimbo Fisher and Mike Elko are two very different people, but you also have this culture aspect that people have to align with in order to stay in the program long term, and they have to find a plan that fits all of these things. And I'm not necessarily sure that they have that right now. Yeah, it's up to Elko to execute that, and whether he succeeds or not is dependent on that. Now, Sailor Joe asks,

Are you saying this can be a dark horse team or team that's more so on the bubble? It doesn't matter. We're saying if they're eight and four, they are messing up somebody's day. For sure. Like they may be getting Sam Pittman fired. They may be getting Billy Napier fired. They may be getting Hugh freeze in trouble. Like that, that's the, that's the thing.

If they, their, their wind total seven and a half, if they go to eight and four, which is the big joke is A&M always goes eight and four. It means they have beaten somebody like Florida, like Auburn, like LSU, like Arkansas, like South Carolina, South Carolina, Missouri, like, because they can't go eight and four without beating somebody like that. Yeah, and we're also daring to dream that they go 10 and 2. And if they do.

Wow, just watch out because I so this idea came to me a little bit. Are you rewatching the LSU Texas A&M game from last year? Because I remember A&M game from last year because I remember A&M had beaten them. And I don't know why for whatever reason, I had memory hold how it happened. And I clicked on the one of those condensed versions of the game. And I had forgotten that LSU jumped out to a big lead in that

game and A&M looked terrible at first because remember Connor Wegman started a game for Texas A&M. They bring read in at halftime and they're a completely different offense and LSU can't handle it. And I just because I was thinking more about LSU at the time I was like, okay, this is the sort of game like if Brian Kelly had won this game. He's not really getting any criticism at all right now. This was the game where LSU couldn't figure out

how to stop Reed from running, right? At all. At all. I remember this game, yeah. And Garrett Nussmeyer had a bad, I think he threw three interceptions and it was one of those deals where, LSU had not started giving up a bunch of sacks.

Like the Florida game is where they gave up a bunch of sacks. They were still not giving up sacks in this game But they were getting pressure and it was getting pressure and Nussmeyer a couple of times let that pressure goad him into throwing an interception and That's the sort of game that you get that again LSU fans are going crazy You get that again. LSU fans are going crazy.

If A&M beats Florida again, Florida fans are going crazy. And we just explained earlier in the show, like what Florida has before that. It's a gauntlet before they get to play Texas A&M. If Texas A&M were to beat South Carolina, that could be a potential knock them out of the playoff contention type game. I mean, that's the thing that they can be the spoiler or they can be the one who gets your coach fired. But here's the other side of the coin. And River, if you don't mind, if you could throw their schedule back up. And River, if you don't mind, if you could throw their schedule back up.

So A&M, everybody is just assuming is going to go eight and four in the chat, right? And I think that part of that, like I saw Josh Pate said that Texas is the number one hated team in the country. I think more people just despise A&M. I don't know. I got to listen to a show. I didn't hear it all the way through. But like, if you actually just think of like what logos drive people the most crazy. A&M and Notre Dame. You know, Notre Dame too. I think that A and M has

some of that juice. But if you're assuming that A and M is going to go eight and four, then why are not like assumptions being made about teams on their schedule make the same? If everything was true in the past, it'll be true again. Auburn's quarterbacks are going to stink. Florida is going to be a dumpster fire. LSU's defense is going to suck in South Carolina is going to choke at the end of the year. Let's assign everybody else's things that we're just going to assign all the stereotypes to everybody.

Notre Dame is not going to have enough talent and Texas is going to lose a game that it shouldn't like what's the stereotype everybody because like I think that the thing that's so interesting about looking at A&M's schedule is that we are assuming that Florida is going to be great. We're assuming that LSU's defense is going to be fixed and they're going to be in the playoff of all the transfers they brought in. We're assuming that Texas is going to win the national championship or play for it next year. We're assuming that South Carolina is going to take the next logical step from a really good year next year not return to being

South Carolina. Guess what? Maybe some of those assumptions will be true. A lot of them aren't going to be true. Like a lot of them are like, is it impossible that LSU was just averaging in next year? Is it impossible that Notre Dame falls back into the pack? Is it impossible that South Carolina stinks? I don't know, like. No, I mean, some of these know, like. No, I mean, if some of these things are bound to happen,

I mean like you're you're you're looking at A&M schedule and you're giving everybody on their schedule the benefit of the doubt. Yeah. And it and here's the thing like A&M like you know how you see how you're saying that A&M can screw people up like A&M could

screw people up if like you think that A&M beats them when those teams get back on track. But what if Florida has three losses going into that game? Well, that that's the thing screwed up that but that and that's what I think is so interesting about A&M is because they they land on So many of these really difficult schedules Yeah, and yet we're not looking at them as one of the more difficult games Yeah that's looking at them as one of the more difficult games. Yeah. That's, if they're slightly better than we think,

they're a problem for all of these teams. I think the way you need to phrase it, Andy, is that A&M on a lot of these schedules turns into a gotta have it game. And if they are good, they're not gonna get their gotta have it games. Yeah, they're not, yeah, exactly. Throw up the Auburn schedule if you got it, River. That's I want to look at because we think Auburn is going to be better. We think Auburn can be very good this Friday night. You got Oklahoma, you got Texas A&M, you got Georgia.

Missouri, you know, Alabama, like this Auburn's SEC schedule is not terrible. But you kind of have to beat A&M to have the season you want unless you're going to beat Georgia. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean mean maybe we'll have like an Auburn segment in the future, Andy, but like I don't even. I don't even know where to begin on like what what what what does Hugh Freeze need to do next year is kind of yeah.

And by the way, we haven't mentioned this on the show, but good luck to Hugh Freeze. He Auburn put out last week. He got diagnosed with prostate cancer. He's going through treatment for it and working his way through it, so good luck with that. That is a, that's a tough deal. But I think I read that they spotted it early and there's a pretty good

survival rate of people in his position. So we're, we're actually coming as family the best. Um, and he's going to continue coaching while doing it too. So, um, that's tough. That's a tough thing. So, yeah, you know, good luck to you. Breeze family. Sailor Joe is a Texas fan. I firmly believe Texas A&M can and probably will make it if they get nine wins, but it doesn't

make the playoff. Well, they were kind of in that boat last year if they'd beaten Texas. Because Ari that you know, the conference championship game where the we talked about how the the committee maybe protected the the participants in the conference championship game. If A&M had beaten Texas, they'd have made the SEC title game. Oh yeah, they were in if they beat Texas. That's why they would have been. Yeah, yeah, and they could have lost to Georgia and then they still might have made it in to the

playoffs. So yeah, and I actually think if all things stayed the same, I mean, you can't play a different game where Carson Beckett's injured with a different team. But like, I think they could have beaten that Georgia team too, like on the right day, if they would have gotten that point, but like A&M also too, we got to be honest, we went to that game. They were not beating Texas. They were not. They were not good enough last year. Yeah. And rightfully so.

You have a first year coach trying to get things on track. And Texas was an excellent team. But that's the thing too. It's like what's next? What's next for them? And that's this year. Always fascinated by the fighting Aggies down there. Alright, let us go to a guy we talked to.

I forgot your yellow leader training. the fighting Aggies down there. All right, let us go to a guy we talked to. Oh, I forgot your yellow leader training. Let us go to a guy we talked to last week. You know, last week we had Rich Rodriguez on the show, new, old West Virginia coach. He had an interesting comment this week at his press conference. He's asked if he has any particular social media policies.

He has one, here it is. No, I don't really, I mean, they're gonna be on it, so it's not, I'm not banning them from, I just banning them from dancing on it, you know? It's like, look, we try to have a hard edge, whatever, and you're in there, you in there in your tights, dancing on TikTok. Ain't quite the image of our program that I want. But I told the team today, I said,

everything today is about trying to make everybody individual, it's all about the individual, it's all about the individual. And I said, football is one of the last things that's gotta be more about the team about the individual. It's all about the individual. And I said, football is one of the last things that was gotta be more about the team than the individual. And so I just, I banned dancing on TikTok. I guess I did that. But anything that doesn't look like our program

should look, you know, I mean, I think it's just like, come on, you know what, really? I mean, I'm not allowed to do that. I guess I can have rules now. When they, like I said, 20 think it's just like, come on. You know what, really? I mean, am I allowed to do that? I guess I can have rules now. Like I said, 20 years from now, they wanna be sitting in their pajamas in the basement, eating Cheetos and watching TikTok or whatever the hell, they can go at it, smoking cannabis, whatever.

I mean, knock yourself out. But the whole focus can be on winning football games. You know, let's how about let's win the football game and not worry about winning the tick tock. I'm just trying to imagine. Like when I was college age. Some of the guys I played with. Dancing on tick tock, like I cannot picture it. age, some of the guys I played with dancing on TikTok. Like I

cannot picture it. Did you did you think the word cannabis was going to come up in that at any point? No one got me. Has anybody ever called pot cannabis? I like a guest that we're gonna hopefully have on the show this week dabba would have called it the TikTok. If you want to, when you're 20 years from now, if you want to be in your basement eating Cheetos, smoking cannabis, Sounds like a lot of people I know.

It's weird because it sounds like it's one of those rich man poor man things. There are a lot of people who are broke Unemployed or underemployed who do spend significant amount of time sitting around in their pajamas Eating Cheetos smoking cannabis and looking at tick-tock and the tick-tock the tick-tock, but there are also People who you know had an IPO and sold their company. Who are doing the same things? There are a lot of very successful people who smoke cannabis, eat Cheetos and watch the TikTok. Or maybe they're eating the gummies. I don't know. I don't know what they're doing down in their face. The smoking part, you know, is a little messier. So, but so this got me thinking, Ari, it is a little mess here. So, but, so this

got me thinking Ari, what weirdly specific rule would you have if you were like, if you were a football coach or suddenly I put you in charge of like several hundred people, what oddly specific rule? Cause you notice he didn't like you, it's not, you can't be on tick tock. You just can't be dancing on TikTok. What oddly specific rule would you have in your organization? You have one in the chamber. I think it would I would ban mayonnaise from the the facility diet the dining facility. I would just ban it.

You need to have your mayo for bulking season though. That's an important ingredient. There's peanut butter for that. But like I understand some people like it but I just don't I don't want there to be a chance that it can wind up on my sandwich so like I'm banning it entirely from the facility like one rule that that's my one you can dance on TikTok all you want but if you want mayo go somewhere else. So TikTok and I'm too old for it. I only have Instagram.

So I don't have TikTok app. Well, okay. Can I ask an old person question? Yeah, but I think I'm in the same boat as you. Yeah. So I have Instagram too. And I'll brain rot myself every once in a while scrolling through Instagram reels.

If you've never seen stale cracker, his name is Justin Chason. He's a, I think he's like a highway patrolman in Louisiana, but he does these cooking videos. He's spectacular. Every time I hit one of his reels, I'm sucked in. So like, I get it. But like, what's the difference between that and TikTok?

Cause I'll ask my nieces, like how come TikTok's cool and Instagram reels aren't? They're the same thing. Well, all Instagram reels aren't there the same thing? Well, all Instagram reels are our old tick tocks. I guess like tick tock. Yeah. Oh here comes a 20 something The 26 year old yeah from basically what I can get from it is that and my camera is frozen but tick-tock has all the trends first and then Instagram and And if you're in the weeds of a Facebook, we'll pick it up later on, but TikTok gets it first. From what I can tell.

Well, so the Chinese are mining our trends and data first. They get it first. And then the Americans get to do it. Yep. Okay. The whole thing with TikTok that like the Chinese people who have TikTok get like really smart videos of like people doing math and like being like productive.

And then like all the videos that Americans get are just like girls dancing. Like I think that is not why they wanted to ban it. Like why was it banned again in America? It was a concern about, because the Chinese government obviously has a hand in the companies that are founded over there. Yeah.

And they were afraid that they were feeding us garbage and feeding their tick. We're not feeding us garbage. Just mining our data. Oh, okay. I thought that there was a whole conspiracy theory that like we get the dumbest possible videos that dumb. No, we're just that dumb. We're entertained that dumb.

But the thing that I think is interesting about TikTok is that it became popular because they choreographed songs and then you could dance to them and say things like like you're the person. Like I think that was the they like they licensed the music so then you could have yourself lip-syncing the song, which Instagram does now too, by the way. So in fact, if you were so inclined and you wanted to do, I don't know, Uncle Luke's It's All About the You and lip-synced to that on TikTok, you could do that. There are two things. There are two things. There are two things that...

And that's his girlfriend doing that. There are two things. There are two things. Girlfriend doing that. Yeah. I mean, like there's attractive women who have made millions of dollars dancing on TikTok. So, I mean, like if you think about like how important TikTok has been to a lot of the female athletes in their NIL pursuits, like I don't think that it's possible to ban it.

But the question that I have for you, and I think it's a statement, maybe more than a question, is there's two things that infuriate college football fans more than anything mm-hmm for some reason okay and I maybe you could put two and two together here but they don't like seeing their male athletes dance mm-hmm like Carson Beck gets a gets a lot of heat and he's not even in most of those videos okay and then two is when men paint their fingernails as you know. Oh, that's right.

It's kind of a train. That's kind of a trend now too. Like Ryan Williams did it. People like went fricking crazy. It's cool because he's doing it in the SEC Ari. It's okay. Ryan Williams. That makes it manly now. I don't care what anybody says. I don't know. Kayla Williams was doing it in Pac-12. Oh, my daughter is at the age now where she wants to go get pedicures with my daughter or with my wife.

So like they go to the nail salon and I go, cause I'm a pedicure guy. I don't know if you know that you're the guy who won't let people touch. Oh, I know. I know. Get it. So there are two things that my wife, when I met her, introduced me to that I had never done in my 20s by myself because I'm a man and I don't think a lot of men do this on their own, which is pedicures. By the way, unbelievable, especially if you want clean feet. I do want clean feet.

I think clean feet is an important part of hygiene. I have soap at home. No, I mean they scrub the calluses and get the dry skin off your feet and stuff. I know, I've actually had one. I lost a bet and had to get one. Was it terrible? You didn't like it? No, it was fine.

But you didn't enjoy the massage part where they rub your legs for 20 minutes? I do not like people touching my feet who I'm not married to. It's such a peculiar thing. This is oddly specific rule conversation. What can I say? That's another one of my oddly specific rules.

Yeah, Andy's rule for life is never let another person touch your feet. The other thing that I got introduced to by my wife was massages. Okay, so I've never gotten a massage until I was 31 years old. Okay, incredible. So like now, like whenever,

like when we went to Mexico last week or a few weeks ago ago, we got a massage couples massage. It was insane. If you're a man and you're like too proud to get a massage or a foot rub. You're missing out. You're only hurting yourself. All the athletes were talking about getting massages. Now you have you ever got a Swedish or a deep tissue massage out of spa in your like recently? I need one. Yeah, I need one. Have you gone though? It's unbelievable. I know. Like I'm not, I'm not, I got nothing against it.

Like I could probably use one right now, but it's, it's funny because every athlete we're talking about gets deep tissue massages because that's part of recovery and training and everything else. So, but you're right. The dancing thing does seem to bother people. I don't, dancing doesn't bother, like the icky shuffle. Like there was a video that Sean Cronin, the new defensive coordinator at Central Michigan put out

of teaching his kids the icky shuffle. Like the icky shuffle when I was a kid was the coolest thing in the world. When icky woods for the Bengals would score a touchdown, and he's doing, eh, eh, eh. Like, I love that. So, the dancing doesn't bother me. Like, again, that would not be my oddly specific role.

You remember the Running Man trend? I don't know, I don't know how. I remember the Running Man movie. Okay, there's a, where they were going like this. And I, I'm a ball.-Zero is just plain zero. That was like Maryland's entire, there was like a thing, you remember this river?

I don't know if I send you a link to a YouTube video, like how hard that is. Can you play that on this? I don't even know if you can. Can you play a YouTube video? But like, this was a huge trend back in, what was it Mike? 2020? Well, you had the Harlem

shuffle trend in like 2013, 2017 where every college basketball locker room was like popping out of lockers and doing this dance. It was hilarious. Oh yeah. It was called the running man challenge you don't remember and then we're doing this with the sea to rich Rodriguez is point.

That's a team activity. I guess like so you can go ordinate it. All room dancing. That would be amazing. Like the thing about tick-tock in the in when you get kind of in murky territory. I know we're having a funny conversation. If you ban somebody from growing their online platform, that's a tricky because it's important to people. It's important to people. It's something you're going to use.

We're going to use against you in recruiting. Like if I'm Kenny Dillingham, who by the way, speaking of dancing, Kenny Dillingham is the, well, easily the best coach in America at doing the worm, but might be the best coach in America at doing the worm, but might be the best person in America at doing the worm. If you've never seen him do the worm, it's incredible. I mean, Andy, what about interpretive dance? It's an art form, okay? Imagine explaining that to Rich Rodriguez,

if you're one of his offensive guards. Coach, it's interpret good one. Imagine explaining that to Rich Rodriguez if you're one of his offensive guards coach. Interpretive dance. I will say that I am not one of the more cultured people as it pertains to art. Okay. I think interpretive dance is

the biggest pile of like nonsense I've ever seen. Okay, play. You can play the video. Play the video. I think we've lost Ari. We lost Ari. Why? Oh, God. They were like, but they were in my back. You're back. I don't even know why you lost me to begin with,

but I'm saying like, interpretive dance is a made up scam. There's no way that anybody can dance and then the person in the audience be like, they're telling a story I'm understanding right now. That's nonsense. And so is that correct art. It's like the art where someone just clearly sprayed paint all over a canvas and was like, no, I'm telling you.

So maybe paid $1,000 for a, this is a commentary on our society. Well, I think that like art in general is just one big money laundering scheme, right? Like you can assign value to something that's worthless and then you can pay a bunch of money and, you know, move money around. Right. Am I wrong about that? Like, so, okay, I know we're at the end of the show, but my wife is really wants to get nice art in our house. And when I say nice art, not like, but like art that she thinks she can be proud of. And like there are people that she works with who have like really expensive pieces of art and whatever.

So we went to an art gallery with somebody she works with once. And we're walking around and I'm looking at these things and there's certain, you know, you've ever been drunk and walked around the forum shops in Vegas or any like mall in Vegas that has these art galleries. Some of them have like really a nice like photography that are like lit up and like are beautiful. But a lot of these like art stores is just like, it's crap and it's $100,000. Like, and it's like 200 grand for this, this thing that it looks like somebody splattered and like the funny enough, we went, you know what

I did on Saturday night? I went to an auction benefiting our school, our daughter's daycare. Okay. And it was all the parents of our daycare. And what they were doing was they took the kindergarten class, the ones, the twos, the toddlers, whatever, and they all got the class together and they made art pieces, okay?

And then they auctioned off the art pieces at the auction to the parents who wanted to have the pieces to commemorate their kids, okay? Cute idea. The art that these kids did looked the exact same to me as something that you would find in an art gallery for a million dollars. And don't get me started on what people were paying for these at the auction. But like it was like... At least you knew what they were going toward.

Yeah, it was going towards a good... it was going towards the school and supplies and stuff. It was a nice gesture. But like if you... like I just don't get it. And like, I mean, I get like maybe there's people in art that watch football and go, why do you watch this? Like I understand everybody's got different. I do not understand art and what makes it so expensive, especially when it looks so random and like just, ugh, just like, oh, I've got paint, ugh. As Nathan, our friend says,

Ari is an uncultured schmuck, but he ain't wrong. I mean, I'm uncultured. I like also dot in the chat. I haven't seen that in awhile. What up y'all? It's been a minute. Ohio State still owns you peasant programs. Where's he been?

I don't know, but I love. I love it when as soon as dot shows up. He's a million miles an hour. I like immediately feel like if your team wins the national championship, like there are two ways you can go with it. One where it's like, well, I don't have to consume media anymore. We're the champs. I got it. But like also to like the entire point of being a college football fan is to revel in the victory and like rolling

in everyone's faces. So die, you need to show up more often and smear the chat. I had this energy. Right dot you need to show up more often and smear the chat. And I had this energy right after they'd lost to Michigan before anybody knew they were going to go on that run. So dot has kept the same energy the entire time, which I truly appreciate. He was getting the chat going back at like in the days when just poking the Michigan fans. Now, another example of keeping the same energy. John Calipari. He said he's made his his feelings known on conference tournaments, but

as we embark on a week of of conference tournaments, by the way, contract congratulations to Wofford on your SOCON title. You're in the NCAA tournament. Oh, that's right. The SEC tournament's starting, the ACC tournament's starting, Big Ten tournament, all the big conference tournaments are this week. John Calipari was on Hogs Plus talking about conference tournaments and made no bones about how he feels.

I don't care about the conference tournament, which is why we won it so many times because I could care less. The tournament that matters is the NCAA tournament. Now you play that tournament to get the best seed you can get and if you're gonna get to the finals win or don't go to the finals and lose because you're exhausted and you got to play on Tuesday or Wednesday. So I'm like, let's play well and try to improve our seat. So that is one of the funny like when I used to when I was a beat writer and I had to cover conference tournaments like you could kind of see on a coach's face when his team won in the

quarterfinals the conference tournament, like maybe on a buzzer beater that he was like. Uh. Uh. Like this is he's like this is going to carry us to win in the semis and we're going to play in the final and then we're going to it's going to be a Sunday and then we're going to we're going to draw Thursday NCAA tournament game. This is going to suck like you can tell. It's an interesting thing because it kind of like.

Reminds me a little bit of like college football and like what I was actually talking to us before the conference championship games. If you're gonna take because conference championship or conference tournaments in college basketball and I remember covering them it stinks as a reporter because it's a lot of work and it's always really cold where you're going and. But it like if you are like down on the notion of. Improving your seed. Then like again seeding in the NCAA tournament like how much of a difference is it between being a four and a seven like and then like also even even a run through the conference tournament may not. Like and then like also to even even a run through the conference tournament may not push you up that many seed lines like it's

not which is why I was surprised that seeding moved the needle as much as it did in football, especially considering the fact that it is kind of random. It's like, oh, you want to improve your seed, but in football, specifically improving your seed might mean you have a harder path, which then renders all these extra tournaments kind of pointless, you know, and then of course you have tread and wear and tear on your body. Here's, here's Rhett Lashley. If the worst happens this year, do you think coaches will start to consider

doing crazy things like not play or benching players or doing things? If our team all got COVID today and didn't play, we're in. We're in, right? We don't have another data point to drop us below anybody that's behind us. Based on what happened in 2020, that's how we go. Yeah. I think if you open up that door, you're going to see a lot of people do a lot of crazy things. Yes, we're not going to, we're going to go play in Charlotte and we're going gonna try to compete for our championship because that's the right thing to do. That's what competitors do.

We value an opportunity to share the field with someone like Clemson, a fantastic team and try to do something special. And so I just, like I said, I'm gonna choose to believe that on Sunday that the right thing will be done as well on the other end. that on Sunday that the right thing will be done as well on the other end. And they got in even though they lost, but his concerns were legitimate.

And it's interesting because we do have years of data with the basketball conference tournaments. And what this means, uh, Steve in San Antonio, isn't Arkansas in the bubble. They are on the bubble, but. I think they're feeling fairly comfortable right now. No, I know, but when you're on the bubble, this is important time, so it's kind of weird.

All the projections have them as being in right now. Still, yeah, so being on the bubble, this is tournament time. Yeah, it might help the bubble. This is tournament time. Yeah, it might help to win one game. I don't know if you want to hang out in Nashville till Sunday. That's that's the key there like that's what that's what Cal Perry saying like do you really want to put that wear on your body when also to their like really well conditioned 21 year old kids like

five days is a lot of time to recover like even if I know if you play a basketball game from every day and from now until Sunday And then you have five days off isn't that enough time to be rested for the tournament like I don't well You might have you might only have four because like if you played in the SEC tournament finals, that's You know, that's Sunday mid-afternoon You could have the the straight out of the gate noon Eastern tip on Thursday. I know, but Monday's a double tournament.

That's so fun. I am for a 21 year old kid in perfect condition to get ready for a basketball game. I don't know. And also too, if you're on the bubble and you play in the SEC championship conference championship game, then you might improve your seed by five or six

and then have a much easier path. I think I actually think that it makes sense to try to win. I don't know anything about basketball either, so. Well, and the problem is getting to the final in the last few years has not demonstrably improved seeding and has also not necessarily gotten you in. There was Texas A&M a few years ago,

they got to the SEC tournament final and then didn't get in. And it was like, what the hell was the point of all this? That's exactly what I was gonna say two years ago, whatever, 2022 they made that run in Tampa and they didn't even get in. Yep, so that's why it all comes back to Texas A&M. That's what it does.

Hey Ari, big show tomorrow. We are scheduled to interview Dabo Sweeney, the Clemson head coach, who we are very high on Clemson this year, but we have been very critical of some of Dabo's decisions as the sport has evolved. It feels like it's coming back around. And he's in a good spot right now. So we might let see if he takes a victory lap on us. It's entirely possible, but excited to talk to him

and excited to bring it to you tomorrow. So we will talk to you tomorrow.