Andy & Ari On3 - Will Cooper Flagg's Injury HURT Duke's seeding for March Madness?

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

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Welcome to Andy and Ari on three. Happy Friday. Happy dear Andy, dear Ari day. You got some great questions. It's going to be a lot of fun answering those questions, but we had something to talk about Ari before we get to the questions. Something that happened in the world of basketball that made me think a lot about football, and it's obviously the dominant story in sports right now because Cooper flag is going to be the number one pick in the NBA draft, but Cooper flag spraining his ankle against Georgia Tech being shown for what felt like an hour getting rolled around in a wheelchair and also Duke losing another starter Malik Brown to a dislocated shoulder in the same game. How soon did your mind immediately go to? to a dislocated shoulder in the same game. Like it. How soon did your mind immediately go to? I wonder how long it will take the Florida state fans to say is the committee going to

drop them to a five? I'm not a seasoned enough basketball person to have gone there immediately. You took me there. I'll tell you where my mind went to immediately. One, I didn't go to medical school. That looks like it's gonna take a while to recover from. And not just because of the wheelchair,

just like if you've ever rolled your ankle in your life, you know how long that could, I've rolled my ankle, that takes two and a half weeks before I can walk on it properly again. Let alone basketball. Well, John Shire said high ankle sprain after the game, which- And high ankle sprain is the bad one, right?

It is the bad one, yeah. And now I think the wheelchair part made it look really bad, but I think that's a case of it's just the easiest way to get him from point A to point B in the bowels of the arena. They had to take him for x-rays. Shire said the x-rays were negative, but I'll give you a quote from Shire after the game. Now he's talking about the rest of the ACC tournament here.

He's not talking about the NCAA tournament. He says, I would have to be convinced by everybody in the locker room that he should play. It's not worth it. So he's talking about Friday in the ACC tournament. I'm assuming the rest of the ACC tournament in general, if Duke were to make the final, but I'm with you.

Like the NCAA tournament, this happened on a Thursday. The NCAA tournament starts. Next Thursday. They could have a game next Thursday or game next Friday. I don't know, and also by the way. He's probably the number one pick in the NBA draft, which is something he needs to think about.

It looks like the. Washington Wizards got some leverage back, baby. Uh, no, the, uh, and it went a lot of reverse. Here's what I actually thought first, and then we'll get into the tournament seeding stuff, because if they are like four or five, six ish area, like my understanding of college basketball is that's not that drastic of a difference. It's not the same thing as football. Well, I mean, four and five is a different seed line. So if you're, two things, because we were a football show, so we're used to just the seeds. Yeah.

In basketball, they have what's called the true seed line, which is where they rank the teams one through 68. And how that works is it just sort of snakes along there. So one, two, three, four, those are your four number one seeds. Five, six, seven, eight, those are your four number two seeds. And Duke was solidly a number one seed, probably in the mix for number one overall seed. Them are Auburn, them are Houston maybe. So they're probably- Do you think it's possible they could drop them to a five.

A five seed if they think they're going to have two starters out. I don't think there's any chance that could happen. And I don't know anything about basketball, but like that that is a drastic drop, especially with a sprain. Yeah, like it's not like it is the example everybody goes to. Kenya and Martin, when he played for Cincinnati, they were an obvious one seed.

He broke his leg in the Big East Tournament. I think they made him a two. I think they made them a two seed in that. Okay, so then that's your precedent probably of like, hey, we don't know when he's coming back, but he's not out for the year, probably. Right. So like, even if they advance out of the first round

without him, there's probably a pretty good chance that he would return. Again, speculation. But the thing that I, that I, that I got caught up on, and I know that stars are made in March and like, who was that kid from NC state that everybody was obsessed with last year? I don't even remember his name. The problem is stars are made in March and forgotten in March equally as fast

as, you know, NC state makes the final four. DJ Burns. Yeah. DJ Burns who looked like a football player. Uh, but NC State makes the final four last year after a five wins and five days run through the ACC tournament to get into the NCAA tournament in the first place and Kevin Keats gets fired this year. So yeah, but yeah, DJ Burns was made a star last March. Cooper Flags been a star since high school.

Here's what it makes you think though, Andy. Would you say that the number one issue in college basketball in general is lack of familiarity with stars? Yes. Like I have been watching more basketball lately because it's the only sport on TV and I need to feed the addiction. But I don't know who

these people are. Like, and I'm a general, I'm plugged in, I go to ESPN, I read on three every day. Like, I'm a pretty plugged-in sports fan. Have the athletic app, get notifications. I couldn't name six players. Hell, I could have named four players probably in college basketball. And the one that I could name, the one that everybody's excited about watching, the No. 1 pick in the draft might not play. So for me, it's like, Yeah, that sucks for Duke. But like, this is, this is the No. 1 star in the sport. Maybe the only one, the only person in the sport that has national name recognize, recognizability to even casual fans. And he's not going to be playing in it probably for the first weekend, maybe longer. I don't know. I thought that that really stunk. And like, to me, it's a sort of college basketball.

It's terrible for the sport. I would feel like, like, I don't know, I love Jeff Goodman. I'll be honest, I don't listen to his show often, because I'm not a college basketball guy. But like if that was our show, I feel like we would be spending an hour a week talking about how do you fix, you know, how we spend so much time talking about how do you fix college football? Like we have that all the time. Like isn't the number one thing in college basketball making it so that people can identify with the players who are playing in the games? identify with the players who are playing in the games? Yeah, it's interesting to me because I feel like the NIL era should help that because there's so few roster spots in the NBA.

Now, obviously, you make a ton of money in the NBA. It's all guaranteed when you when you can get the contracts. But there's so few roster spots in the NBA. And you can make good money in college basketball. Now, I assume there would be more recognizable stars staying and more people kind of built, because when we were kids, you'd see those guys, like Grant Hill felt like he was at Duke forever. And you didn't have that for a long time.

You know, like how long was Tyler Hansborough in college? Wasn't he in college for like three years or more? I think he was there for four years. It did, and it felt like 10. So, but the thing is- But it goes back to the thing that you had a problem with with the Washington Wizards thing, which is it cuts into your time,

even if you can make money. The second contract in the NBA is massive. And isn't like the, aren't bench players in the NBA making more than stars in the NFL? Like aren't the NBA contracts just out of whack? If you're a rotation guy in the NBA, you make what one of the best receivers in the NFL makes. Exactly. Right. So like, I understand that aspect, but like you would think that like, I mean, it's like to me was the answer to like removing the one and done rule so that kids who

play in college need college? Like, I don't know. I don't think you need to do. I think NIL will do it eventually, but like Hunter Dickinson has been in college basketball forever at Michigan and now at Kansas. But he just, the problem is like he's not going to be an NBA star. Otherwise he would have already gone. But like, Kansas isn't very good this year. Like if one Dixon, was one Dixon a big NBA star? No, but he was a great college basketball player. Was Mateen Cleaves a big NBA star? Nope, great college basketball player. I'm trying to think of great college basketball players that defined the tournament as I was growing up.

And I feel like there's a lack of really good superstar players who have no future in the NBA. I feel like that was more prevalent. Zach Eady was that last year. And everybody knew who Zach Eady was. But isn't he having a pretty good year in the NBA? Yeah. So like the thing is, is like, I feel like you have the super premium player, like Cooper flag,

and then everybody else is something that you don't, that isn't worth remembering. And then that's it. And it's like, there are so many players in college football that impact their teams for three and four years that are really good players in college that we know and talk about that have no shot of making it in the league. Right.

You have players who were really really good in college football who you think are going to be very good in the league and haven't done anything like, you know, I encounter this and we'll talk about it when we get to the Panini ad, but like when you collect cards, I found myself buying up Malachi Corley cards because I thought he was awesome in college and the guy played like 12 snaps last year. And it's like, there is a place for stars in college that aren't going to be stars in the NFL.

And I feel like the only reason why Cooper flag is even recognizable is because we all know he's going to be stars in the NFL. And I feel like the only reason why Cooper flag is even recognizable is because we all know he's gonna be good in the NBA. It's true. And now you're losing that. And I'm curious because we are seeing guys stay in college longer. Now maybe they don't stay in college at the same college. Cause like Hunter Dickinson, I just mentioned,

like if he's at Michigan that whole time, maybe we look at him differently. LJ Cryer, who's one of the best players for Houston. He started his career at Baylor. So like if LJ Cryer had been at Houston the whole time, would we look at it differently? I don't know. I don't know the answer to it, but I find it very interesting.

Because you have the transient issue of players leaving to the NBA the second they can, but you also have the transient issue of players leaving from team to team now on top of it. Like, it's like you have, you have two, and like that's the thing too that I think when you, when you talk about college football, and a lot of people who listen to the show aren't a big fan of free agency, one, because a lot of times their teams lose out on players they want to keep. But two, the lack of familiarity with the rosters. I mean, how we do this for a living. Now, we're talking about this stuff year round. And I'm looking at on threes portal rankings and writing about Texas Tech and all the things that we do year round. Even I'm like three weeks into the regular season, I'm like, oh, God, he's there now.

Like, it's because it's impossible to keep up with. Yeah. And like, I just don't know if, if this like, and you know, you might, you know a lot more about college basketball than I do. So I'll ask you this, but do you think that the potential of rev sharing at the college basketball level actually gives college basketball a bigger benefit than football in the sense of like, Hey, maybe guys will just stick around longer and become part of the university and like the recognizability of those players will translate to the fan experience. Because it is fun to watch the games. It's a drag when you turn on. I watched Colorado TCU on the weird court that the Big 12 designed that made me feel like I was having a stroke yesterday. Our guy Big Cat on part of my take called it playing on a Louboutin bag, which... Yeah, whatever they were doing.

...I think is what they were going for. Yeah. At first I thought there was something wrong with the picture on my television. I was like, what's going on here? It was terrible. But sometimes when you watch a random college football game, you're like, oh man, I can't wait to watch this team play. Like think about the Colorado version of college football game, you're like, ah, man, I can't wait to watch this team play. Like, think about the Colorado version of college football. Maybe that's a bad example, because Deion happens to be there. But you turn on a Colorado game, and you have two players that everybody in the country knows they want to watch. You turn on Kansas

State, you know you want to watch Avery Johnson. Like, in college basketball, there's no reason to turn on random games to watch players because you don't know who the players are. And I don't know if it's just my own experience. But I feel like I'm probably closer to everybody who's filling out brackets on Sunday, and Monday and Tuesday next week. Don't know what the hell they're doing. No one knows what the hell's going on. People don't even remember the names of the guys who were awesome in the tournament last year. on. People don't even remember the names of the guys who were awesome in the tournament last year. Also, look at UMBC. That jersey. Thinking about, thinking about Loyola, Chicago. I covered that run to the Final 4. Like, I was there every, every round with them. Put on the picture of that yellow jersey, if you can do that again.

It's UMBC. They're the guys who beat Virginia as a 16 seed. Look me in the eyes right now and tell me that's not the same jersey from Teen Wolf. Probably is. Is it not? They're inspired by. Evers. I thought River was going to pull up a Teen Wolf basketball uniform. Could you imagine if he was that quick? He's fast. He's not that fast. Okay, you can go on. I don't know. But these are the uniforms from Teen Wolf River. This is terrible podcasting. I'm sorry.

It's okay. But it's the same thing. Okay. Well, I'll give you an example. Because I think college basketball is more transient than college football and which is crazy hard to say yeah like think about that yeah yeah I think that's part of it because so I'm gonna like so I'm in Gainesville people really like this Florida team it's gonna be a one seed or a two seed like the the fan base is in love with this team who's good but I But I don't know that they know the player. So here are the good players.

Walter Clayton Jr. started his career at Iona. Wilrushard started his career at Belmont. Ruben Chindalu started at Washington State. Like Alex Condon, the Australian guy, he came to Florida initially, but a lot of their best players came from somewhere else. And so it's, it's been a process to, for the fan base to wrap their arms around it. And I go back to like, I covered the, the, the two teams that won the national title back to back at Florida. got to watch those guys go from being freshmen to being sophomores to being juniors, they were only there three years, but it felt like the fan base was on the journey every step of the way and they got to fall in love with them properly.

And I think that might be missing right now. But that's only part of the problem. The other part of the problem is how do they get Ari Wasserman to know who they are? How do they get Bill and Cleveland to know who they are? How do they get the random dude? I think you start by getting the fan base. Like, because I wonder if like if I go around, if I walk around Gainesville and I have a picture of Ruben Chinalu and a picture of, I'm not gonna say DJ Lagway because he's obviously the most popular Florida football player, but I have a picture of Eugene Wilson, the third.

It's a good one. Yeah. Like I think more people are going to know Trey Wilson, even though Chinalu is a bigger contributor to a team that might be one of the best in the country. One wears a helmet in the game and one doesn't. That's true. Yeah. Which is even more lopsided.

Yeah. So like I, that, you know, know, I don't know if this is what but I think that there are parallels between the two sports because they're kind of in the same messed up system. But it's like, okay, well, I'm going to Vegas next week to watch all the games. Was excited to watch Cooper for flag play at the at the encore sports book. Now he's not playing I don't I can't name a single player I'm looking forward or even who's even playing. By the way, preview for next Friday show it's gonna be

an absolute dumpster fire. Like if you like want me to get on and talk intelligently about basketball. Nope, you know, but I want you to be hung over and possibly still drunk. But I also to like all the great moments, I'm gonna get to break them down because I'm going to be emotionally invested in all those moments, so it's going to be good, but exactly right. Monday show is going to be the college football fans guide to

the NCAA tournament. We're going to help you because you are the avatar for most of our audience. Massive college football fans. I'm sure some of them are big college basketball fans too. Cause like, I'm sure our Auburn fans in the audience and our Tennessee fans in the audience, like I am sure they were deeply invested

in these college basketball seasons and know their teams really well. But I don't know how much they know everybody else's team. I don't know if they know. The Sears guy on Alabama, who was a stud in the tournament last year. Yeah, yeah. So, now he's been there a long time. Yeah, so, and I've seen him on TV quite a bit over the last few months and last year.

So, I don't know. But it is a bummer for people like me that flag may not play. That's all. Well, let's talk about that though, because like you and I both said, we're just imagining the Florida State fans seeing this and that's the first thing they go to is, okay committee and it's a different committee. Basketball committee and the football committee

are not the same thing, but they were told that it was the injury to Jordan Travis that caused them to miss the playoff, even though they were undefeated like and every time there's an injury and nobody and the team doesn't get dropped like it dropped, it drove the floor state fans crazy that Georgia wins the sec. And they have an injury to their starting quarterback in the, in the sec championship game and it's clear he's not going to play in the playoff.

And they don't drop them like so. If Dukes, a one seed, well, they could with potentially two starters missing and, oh, by the way, their defensive coordinator is missing to Jay Lucas, the assistant. He left to become the head coach at Miami, so he's gone. Have we unpacked this? What would have happened if Texas won the game? That's a great question.

Because like that would have changed. Or still would have made playoff. Yeah, I know. But do you think they would have dropped them to like 12 or 11? Not that low. I bet they wouldn't have been that low. Yeah, because like, here's the thing that's interesting to me about this comparison and not Georgia last year, I'm more interested in the comparison between Florida State and Duke, but I'm assuming

I'm trying to take myself back to the mindset that I had of Florida State Before they played in their bowl game and before like the the the Sunday that they announced We had seen them play two games without Jordan Travis and it was ugly and well and remember They take Rod maker plays against Florida. Then he gets a concussion Mm-hmm, and Brock Lynn had to play against Louisville in the ACC Championship and it was an ugly game. Okay. Yeah, but You would say Just because the game of basketball is different, that losing Cooper flag for Duke is a bigger problem for them

than it would be for Florida State to lose their quarterback or is that out of line? If it were just Cooper flag, then I might say it's not you can overcome because they are really good. That's a deep roster, but it's Cooper flag and Malik Brown. I know, but that's the Malik Brown is much less likely to play in the NCAA tournament than Cooper flag. Let's not forget what that Florida State team had across

the field either. Right. So this would have been like losing Jordan Travis and Brayden Fisk. At the same time. Yeah, or Jared verse. There are Jared verse, yes. Yeah, so you so either way, Duke is in a more dire situation optically than Florida.

Right now, Duke Duke can because remember the way the committee works and this happens in football and basketball committee will reach out to the team and be like, okay, shoot a straight, you think this guy's going to play now before saying Jordan Travis, everybody saw the injury. Nobody had to ask. He's not playing. If I were Duke, I'd lie my ass off.

If even if Cooper, even if I didn't think Cooper flag was going to play in the NCAA tournament, I would lie my ass off and say he's going to play. Well, here's the thing too. They're going to be playing basketball games. They may not matter, but they're going to be playing basketball games without them. Like if Duke's second round game ends with them losing by 40 because flag didn't play, does that change your mind at all either? Like that's the thing too.

And we'll find that out today. So Florida State is bitter that they didn't get. Listen, I'm with you, Florida State is bitter that they didn't get. Listen, I'm with you, Florida State. Like I wrote a column on the front page of the New York Times, literally the front page that said that college football's, college, I'm reading the headline, committee reveals ugly truth that this was a beauty contest.

And it was, but at the same time too, it's like they got screwed, but it all, and can you say that they got screwed and that it was messed up, but they also wouldn't have won the title that year? Like, can you say both? Yes. I think both things are true. Oh, things are true. So like, even if you would have gotten in, you didn't lose out on anything that you would have had. So I think that that should make you feel better. But that also is the reason why you didn't get in. So it's like kind of like this weird chicken and the egg undercooked overcooked situation, you know, I don't know. I don't know. But the fact that it's an ACC team to like another ACC team, like this just drives it home.

And what if you're a Florida State fan who is sitting at home listening to this right now, and you're like, I want Duke to pay the same exact consequence that we did. Now, obviously, that can't happen because you can't get knocked out of the tournament. And I know. But what do you think would be a commensurate punishment if they were to be treated unfairly in the way that that Florida State was, to drop them to a five or a six seed? Right, which won't happen. That would be commensurate. Like take it. A five seed probably is, is the cut line there because if you're a top four seed, so that would be the top 16 true seed line. So like the top 16 teams, if you're one of a one through four seed, then you get

to go somewhere close to home for the first weekend. And so you lose that protection if you're a five seed. That's 512. Isn't that like the big upset game? That's the big upset game right there. So that means you don't want to be the five because the 12 seed and the five has a better chance of beating a five. Now more realistically, they drop them from a one to a two, which is not even that big of a punishment. I've been talking to people over the last week, because we're trying to figure out,

do you want to be the last number one seed? Because all the potential number one seeds are in the South. So do you want to be the last number one seed and get shipped to San Francisco for your second weekend? Or do you want to be the last number one seed and get shipped to San Francisco for your second weekend? Or do you want to be the first number two seed and probably go to Atlanta? Well, I when I was covering college basketball, I think Thad Mata said this and it stuck out to me. He goes, I don't care what the number next to our team is.

I want to know who the names of the teams that we're playing on our path because it's a matchups game as as we learned in the football. Right, right. It's match's a matchups game as, as we learned in the football, right? Right. It's matchups or matchups or the thing. So it's like, you know, I think Penn state was pretty happy with their seed, you know, and there's six is a great place to be. Yeah.

Um, so like that to me too, it's like getting, getting outraged before, you know, the matchups based on the numbers seems kind of like a waste of time because there are seeds that have higher numbers that have harder paths. Well, right. And you see it like you see it in the World Cup, where there's like a group of death, and you see it everywhere. So you're right. There's a little bit of a luck of the draw circumstance here. But to the greater point, Duke will not be punished the way Florida State was punished. It won't even be close. It can't even be close. It can't happen.

Yeah, part of it is the basketball term is so much bigger now. If this happened in football, which this this would be the equivalent of you losing your, you know, let's say he's losing your best offensive and defensive player on the same game.

I I would bet there would be serious seating repercussions to that. Yeah, well, there's the other aspect of this, too, that we haven't talked about. And I know this is a mailbag episode, but we can go all day with this. The ACC in basketball is viewed typically like the SEC is in football, right? Right. But not this year. Not this year, but typically they have the they have the rep, a lot of brands.

Yeah. But there's a notion that Florida State missed out on the playoff because of its conference affiliation, which works in Duke's favor, probably in this scenario. Not this year, because everybody thinks the Aces is stank. I don't know, the SEC wasn't very good this year. And everybody was like, Oh, they're awesome. So like, I don't know. But you're right. It's not the same thing. Like North Carolina isn't usually what North Carolina is and Louisville's not peak. Louisville's good. Louisville's good. Clemson's good. Is Louisville peak Louisville right now? No, they're not peak Louisville, but they're definitely far, very vastly improved and helping the conference. Duke, Clemson and Louisville are helping the conference. Everybody else is not. and helping the conference. Duke Clemson and Louisville are helping the conference. Everybody else is not.

Oh yeah, Virginia stinks. That's another one that's usually really good. Yeah, Tony Bennett left right before the season started. So, I ate lunch at a fish place yesterday and I made a joke. The owner was behind the bar. I went with a friend to a grilled fish place in Dallas.

And I asked him, we were, we were, well, the Virginia game, and I forget who the, or Virginia Georgia Tech first round ACC game was on. And Virginia was losing by 10 with like 10 minutes left. And I looked at my buddy, should we, should we live hit this? Cause like we're eating lunch. What are we going to do?

It was four to one. So we both hit Virginia and we were cheering cause Virginia made a crazy run at the end and almost won the game and they were down by like 12 with a minute left and they they got down within a possession. And the owner of the bar was behind it. He said he said he's from Virginia and we got to talking and I asked him where he catches his fish in the Gulf of America and he got mad at me.

in the Gulf of America and he got mad at me. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Is that, uh, is that the punch line? Uh, I, but that's how I know Virginia stinks.

Cause I saw it firsthand on TV yesterday. Like I thought Virginia was good. I bet on them four to one to win. Yeah. Tony minute left right before the season started. It was not going to be a particularly great season for them anyway, but that, pretty much nailed him in the coffin. That was a good joke though, because he didn't think it was funny and that kind of bothered me. Well, I think you have to be, you have to kind of know where somebody stands before you make that

joke. So, okay, so now let me ask you, this is that is, okay, again, not a big politics guy. Yeah. Help on this. Yeah. So are there people who are actually mad about this? Oh yeah, big man. Okay, because I find it to be absolutely hilarious. I think, I just think they should call it

the Gulf of Ron, Mexico. It's just like, why are we doing, I just don't understand, I don't know enough about it, but it's just like, you call it the Gulf of America, there's some people be like, hell yeah, and there's some people who are like, not even. and and the thing is like if we continue to talk about it on this show we'd have people furious at us or people it doesn't matter what side you're on that is a objectively funny joke it's funny exactly yeah exactly yeah that's all like i don't know uh

i wasn't making a political statement i I just think it's like, this is ridiculous, whether we should or whatever, whatever you stand. I'm gonna call it that to a person who literally contracts people to get fresh fish from both coasts in the Gulf. But he didn't like laugh. And I was just like, dude, come on, grow, grow personality. We're just we're just messing around here. Oh, boy. You just got canceled by by certain people

and certain people love you more. So welcome. Welcome to get political on which which side I don't even know which side I made mad but uh I probably both. So that's good. Alright, we got questions and you have some tremendous questions, but first in honor of the basketball tournament, got selection Sunday coming up on Sunday. I got a pack of Panini, PRISM, Draft Picks, basketball edition.

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I believe he's the number two pick in the draft last year. That's a pretty good card then probably. Yeah, Isaiah Collier, who played with Brawny at USC and Isaiah Collier is in the NBA right now. Garwood Wall from Providence, autograph. And well, Jared, Jared McCain, so

not the Kate and Clark nuke did not get that. You gotta keep heart for the car and pity. Why don't you send him some shoes boxes, but I'm rooting for Zachary though. Ruin for Zachary. This is this is number one of 25. I've got two cards here from 2024 obsidian football. I've got two of the 299 they've made.

These are Spencer Rattler Saints rookie patch autos. I've got two of them. Nice. One's 216 out of 299 and one's 56 out of 299. This seems like the perfect card to give away to somebody on the show. Oh, yeah. I feel like you're a big South Carolina fan. Yeah, Spencer Rattler is more of a college name than he is an NFL name. But you know, we got to start coming up with ways to do that. Although I'm breaking into my email business a little bit to help you guys out. Absolutely.

Absolutely. All right. PaniniAmerica.net to start your collection today. Those PRISM DRAFIX cards are really cool. I very much enjoyed those. The Prism Drafx football cards are awesome. They are, here's a, actually, talking about those. Here's a Peyton Manning number to 249. Peyton Manning playing at Tennessee. A lot of fun. So,'m going to show you my favorite design of a card this year. This is nothing. This is a worthless

card, but it's on JT Sanders from Texas. Kathy Gaines and it's like a money print with the stock logo on the back. I thought that's the coolest like design of the year. That is a great segue also. So again, this is PnN America.net to start your collection. But you mentioned JT Sanders, who Texas did a really good job of replacing this year because Gunnar Helm also an awesome tight end. But our first question comes from Tyler.

Are we talking enough about how much production slash talent Texas is losing? And I think one of the reasons that we have not talked about it as much is because they have a quarterback waiting in the wings to replace Quinn yours Quinn yours three year starter but Archmanning is there and ready to replace him and I think that gives you a level of comfort but also on the other side of the ball some very good young defenders. That make you feel confident that they're fine over there too.

Yeah, I think that it's the Kelvin Banks. That's the one, right? That people are a little bit concerned with. Four or five offensive linemen, yes. Kelvin Banks, Matthew Golden, the receiver. Cam Williams, Alfred Collins, Isaiah Bond, Andrew Mccuba, the safety gunner, the tight end. Jake Majors, the really good center, you know, I don't need to name them all off, but

they have a lot of players that they're replacing. And I think that that is the reason it's just like, when you get to a certain point in college football, from a roster standpoint, losing a bunch of players on a given year is expected. Like, to me, like, if you look at Alabama's roster, you look at Ohio State's or even Michigan's after they won the national title, those rosters are supposed to lose 10 to 15 guys every year. The thing that makes them beautiful, at least in the old days is, old days being 5 years ago, is that they have 10 to 15 guys who are just as good ready to step in that will have developed during the year in the background who will step in and become the next stars. And it's like when

you have Arch Manning waiting in the wings at the most important position, I don't think that you and I would be picking them to win the national championship if it was someone that was, that we had less visibility of and less name recognition of. Like the expectation is that Arch is going to play as well, if not better than Quinn did a year ago, right? Like that's the expectation. So for me, my number one concern with Texas, of course, and this is the graphic, if you're watching this, of my projected 2026 graphic at the time, as Texas's

national champion is, is that their offensive line is going to make things difficult. But as we've noted on the show, they did very little work in the transfer, if at all, trying to replenish that, which to me and Andy, I think, speaking for both of us means they feel comfortable with the guys that they have stepping in. And that would make sense because they've recruited the hell out of the offensive line the last 4 years. So like to me, like this is a sign of a healthy program ready to continue its ascension, not the end of a window. Now, can I give you the spot where I am a little, the one place I'm concerned. That's not a line.

Where they need to have hit in the portal. It's interior defensive line. And so, they had two years worth of just studs there. Tovondre Sweat, Alfred Collins, Vernon Broughton. So they lose Tovondre Sweat, but Alfred Collins and Vernon Broughton are still there. They lose those two. This year, they did hit the portal pretty hard. So they get Colbert Vard from Purdue, they get Travis Shaw from North Carolina, they get Hiro Kanu from Ohio State.

Hiro Kanu, great story. German guy. Hiro Kanu's a really highly rated prospect, and Travis Shaw was a five-star, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah. So these are guys that were very heavily recruited. They're considered very talented. Here, Canoe probably wasn't going to start at Ohio State this year. He got snaps last year, even on that defense, but I don't know that he was going to start. And then you got the freshman Justice Terry, who is a massive five star. So it may be that they don't lose any anything there. Now a lot, a lot of it when you have Ethan Burke, Trey Moore,

Colin Simmons, and you can bring Ant Hill down to the line of scrimmage to rush the passer as well, like against the passing game, I'm not worried about Texas getting the quarterback, like not at all. It's just how do these big dudes hold up against the run?. I'm not worried about Texas getting the quarterback, like not at all. It's just how do these big dudes hold up against the run? So we'll see. But I have a lot of faith in them because when they've needed something,

they've been able to get it out of the portal. And I don't feel like they thought they needed much else, anywhere else. That's the one spot where it looked like they said, you know what, we're gonna have to go outside for some help here. Yeah. Still think that when it's all said and done on paper right now, it looks like one of the more talented teams in sport.

So if when I did the top 10 returning players list the college football the following year, I think Texas had four guys that I considered and two made it. So I think they're going to be fine. Long story short. I do too. Everybody is going to have a weakness, a position group where they're like, Oh, we got it. It's, and that is the change that we were telling you about at the end of last year

because Ohio state had done. Everyone will this year. And that's, that's the Clemson discussion. That's all that, that's the Clemson discussion. That's all, that's the sport maybe. So being the most talented team in college football in 2019 meant you were a juggernaut that couldn't possibly lose in the playoffs.

Yeah, you were deep at every position. Yeah. Now it means you're really good, but hey, you could lose because you have a position group that's not up to snuff. So yeah, but good question though. That's a great question. Next question, also good from Crawford.

If I'm the athletic director at a major power like Michigan or Georgia, why don't I unbundle my TV rights for my conference and sell them directly to Amazon or someone? Now, I'm gonna combine this with a question from BuzzkillBennie, because I think these two questions go together. Do you think it's a foregone conclusion

that what is now the power for will collapse into only two super leagues, or is there still a prospect that the ACC and Big 12 will survive the renegotiation of the playoff contract in 2031-32? So this goes back to what we were talking about Ari, after that ACC settlement with Florida State and Clemson, and you said, why do the big 10 schools feel like they

need to like why do Michigan and Ohio State feel like they need to subsidize Purdue? Why do Alabama and Tennessee feel like they need to subsidize Vanderbilt? This would be the what Crawford suggested is what I think would happen but it wouldn't be them going, hey, we're one school, we're gonna sell directly to you, which by the way, is the plot of season three of Ballers, I believe, because The Rock tries to sell USC's TV rights. I never watched that show. It's fine. It's a good way to while away 27 minutes.

People build it out as being like the next entourage and I don't think it lived up to it. Denzil Washington's kit is really funny. It's a fun day in Washington. Yeah, I rewatched it. And he played he played FCS football. So like he looks the part. You know what's occurring to me? Walton Goggins is becoming my favorite actor.

Dude doesn't get enough credit. He does if you watch justified. You haven't watched justified. You've admitted to that. So I watched the episodes. I need to get into it. I've watched all the funny ones that he's in vice principles. Oh my God. That shows funny.

Okay. Baby Billy. Okay. Baby Billy. He's great in White Lotus this season too. But yeah, and he's not funny in it. Now, HBO is not buying the rights to this. baby Billy. He's great in White Lotus this season too but yeah and he's not funny in it. Now HBO is not buying the rights to this but would Amazon, would Netflix, that's the interesting question because I think if there was going to be some sort of breakaway, I'll tell you so I had a

conversation in 2010 with a TV consultant named Chris Bevilacqua, who I am forever indebted to because he sort of helped explain how the world works to me. And he worked with the Pac-12, creating the Pac-12 network, but he explained how TV rights work. And he said at the time, he said, I don't know if this will ever happen because I don't know if anybody will ever agree enough to do it. But the reason the NFL makes so much more

per viewer, not so much more, they obviously make so much more because they have more viewers. They also make so much more per viewer than college football is because there's multiple sellers of college of big time college football and there's only one seller of big time pro football. And if they could ever get to a point where there was one seller of big time college football, it would drive the rights fees through the roof. And that's where you could see them going to Netflix or Amazon.

And I'm gonna try to explain it like they're four because I'm four. But when you buy NFL rights from one place, you have to buy the Chiefs if you want. Or you have to buy the Browns if you want the Chiefs. Correct. There's no parsing through what do you want, what you don't want. You either want the whole product or you don't.

And then that's how you bargain. Whereas in college, you're able to pick and choose, if you're a network, who you want on your, on your buffet. And the league can pick the networks against one another. Whereas in college, the network can say, All right, SEC, you're being unreasonable. I'm just going to go buy the Big 10. Yeah. Yeah. So that, and that's an interesting thing. The thing

that I've never understood, because I'm not good at this sort of thing. You're much better at it. But the question that I would have to you in response to that is directly asking the question of if Ohio State or Michigan or Texas, who I think tried it to a certain extent, not all the way, but a little bit with the longhorn network, decided they wanted to be like Notre Dame. Anybody make that decision now or is Notre Dame grandfathered into being that way? I think Ohio State and Michigan could do it if they really wanted to. Like if they're like, you know what, we'll live out the

remainder of the deal that we signed, but I'm not signing anything ever again. And when that deal is up, we're independent. But I think what would be more likely is Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, like those types of schools got together and they said, all right, here are the 38 or 40 or 48 or whatever the number is. Here are the programs we wanna be in business with. We're gonna form our own thing. Now this has been tried before.

This was tried by a guy named Chuck Ninus who eventually became the big 12 commissioner at one point, replaced Dan Beebe. And Chuck Ninus right after that Supreme Court decision that allowed the schools to sell their TV rights outside of the NCAA, he created something called the College Football Association. And it was supposed to be a kind of warehouse for the TV rights for college football.

The thing was the Big Ten didn't do it. The Pac-10 didn't do it. I don't think Notre Dame did it. And so it fell apart eventually. It fell apart when the big East sold its rights individually and then the SEC did. So, but that was the idea. The idea was everybody would get together

and big time college football would be its own entity and sell as one. It's never happened. But that I wonder, is that the more likely outcome than a 22 team Big 10 and a 20 or an 18 or 20 team SEC? Because those don't seem manageable. Yeah. Then I'm trying to compare Andy is how much money Ohio State makes on an annual basis as a part of the Big Ten deal versus how much NBC pays Notre Dame directly. And then on top of that, Notre Dame also makes less than it would make as a Big Ten member.

Okay. But then Notre Dame makes it back on the back end when they get to keep the entire bonus for the Browns as they traverse in the tournamentW or in the in the tournament, right? I don't know that they make it all back. I there are Notre Dame donors who say they will stop donating if Notre Dame joins a conference. So that's, that's the math they're doing. Okay. Yeah. So I mean, I guess like, here's the thing, nobody wants to sign up to make less money. So if Notre Dame is making less, then that doesn't make sense. I was living under the assumption that Notre Dame being the only, the team in

the, in the situation that makes all the money from its contract would get paid more because it's a high, they like the freedom of it. They they're willing to sacrifice. It's not a huge gap. They're, they're making a lot of money. Yeah. They're making a lot of money. Yeah.

Yeah. They like the freedom of it. So they're willing to sacrifice several million're making a lot of money. Yeah, they're making a lot of money. Yeah, yeah. They like the freedom of it. So they're willing to sacrifice several million dollars for the freedom of. Yeah. And it just seems to be like even James Franklin went on a weird tangent before the playoff about it. You know, a weird misplaced tangent that I still don't think really makes much sense.

But it's like if Penn State wanted to do it or Ohio State wanted to do it and like, you know what MTV to Ohio State football games are now on that channel. That would be the number one to whatever it is. I mean, if they show, I think it exists at work show football games. What's the what's the grab us network that shows the college basketball tournament? True TV, true TV. That's right. Have you ever heard of TV or impractical jokers? Wait, is true TV the channel that shows forensic filesic Files at two in the morning when you come

home? Yes, I believe so. True TV used to be Spike TV. I am convinced that True TV bought Forensic Files and only bought four episodes because anytime I've turned it on, it's the same one. I know exactly. Yeah, they found excrement at the scene of the crime and they, you know, there was one that blew me away though.

Some dude hit some lady with his car and ran away and killed her. And they used, they found like she was wearing jeans and they found like the corner of the imprint of the license plate on the jean cuff. I've definitely see that episode. I had about a two year run of going to bed to forensic files because the narrator's voice was soothing. See, I'm a true crime junkie. Like I like listening to it. I just listened to this one about the do you remember this thing that happened in Georgia in the

early 2000s where there was a morgue or a cremation facility? Yes. Yes. All the bodies in but didn't Yes, and do what they're supposed to do and like left them out all over the place. They're like 300 bodies on their property. I just listened to that. But if I first of my wife is one of these people that has to like have complete silence in the room or sound machine to go to bed. So like my days of falling asleep to the television are over.

But like tonight, like nights like tonight where she's out of town, I always fall asleep with the television on. But like, even though I listen to that stuff all day, I have a strict like light and easy and funny policy in the last 30 minutes before. I never fall asleep. No murder and mayhem at bedtime.

I don't fall asleep to it. I don't like wake up in the morning and then there was enough in the night, nine millimeter shell casing was found at the edge of her skull. Like I don't need to wake up at three in the morning to that. I'll wake up to Kramer. That's okay.

Well, True TV is not going to be in the hunt for these rights. If such an entity were to come into existence though, your ESPNs, your CBSs, your Foxes, your Netflixs, your Amazon Prime, they would all bid. And they would bid a lot of money. The thing that's crazy is Amazon Prime could buy Ohio State in a second, can't they?

They could, yeah. And everybody would watch it. They've got a $2 trillion market cap. It would be a drop in the bucket to these people. and everybody would watch it. They've got a two trillion dollar market cap. It wouldn't even, it'd be a drop in the bucket to these people. I gotta buy the whole school. You're just talking about the TV rights. Yeah, I'm saying like if Ohio State's like,

we're only playing on Amazon Prime for the rest of our lives. Like Amazon could pay them more money than they're making now and not even feel it on their next report. But you gotta play somebody. and Notre Dame figured it out. But if let's say all of them or not, the top 45 of them or whatever it is got together and the Lincoln Log start falling apart. Yeah, then they're not just going to sell it to Netflix or sell it to Amazon Prime.

They're going to sell it to six different networks and pit them all against each other and make them bid it up. So, But Ohio State as a selling point would be able to schedule quite easily the way Notre Dame does, because they could say, Hey, we're the most watched football team in America. Everywhere we show up, it fills the stadium, and you're getting playing us and everybody does it. So, yeah. he doesn't. So yeah. Well, I think we're a few years away from that. But I think that's how we need to start thinking more than I because I

go I think back on those shows last week, we were talking about the Florida State and Clemson settlement. I feel like I was a little too short sighted on those. Just sort of imagining a world where, oh, they're just going to still have conferences and they'll just add teams to the conferences and then just be a huge big 10 and a huge SEC. I don't know if that's necessarily how it goes. So we'll find out.

What would you call it? The college football league. Oh, were you the person that the Washington football team named to them? I'm not. I like that name. I'm not great with names, but you know who is? Jerome. So remember on yesterday's show, we were talking about one of the greatest quotes

of all time from a Virginia Tech basketball player, about they said we'd be ass and we kind of were ass, but we exceeded, oh here we go, here it is. They thought we were gonna be ass. I mean, we were still ass, but you know, we weren't that bad. You know what I'm saying? We beat expectations.

One of the greatest quotes in the history of sports, and it gave me an idea. A reverse of successories where we sell quotes like that over inspiring photos that you can put on your desk on your wall and you can look at them and say you know what things aren't so bad Jerome writes in because he's got a name for our store the obvious option for a negative sports version of successories is suck accessories as you see k-CC ESS ORI ES would it survive a trademark challenge probably not but why let that suck accessories, S-U-C-K hyphen C-C-E-S-S-O-R-I-E-S.

Would it survive a trademark challenge? Probably not, but why let that stand in your way? Jerome, you're a freaking genius. Ari, we're making this store. We would absolutely get sued, but we'd settle. I don't know if successory still exists. I was gonna say, first of all, I've never even heard of that, okay?

What is that, like a get help book or something? It was a store in the mall. I have no recollection of this. You would have been, you would have been in probably elementary middle school when these were popular. Oh, yeah, I've seen these pictures. Yeah, they're like in the library

and in bathrooms and like- I got one my wife gave me back when we first met. It's got a guy running in the middle of nowhere and it says, there's never a crowd on the extra mile. So there was a store in the mall that only sold these pictures? There also was a hot sauce store in the mall. Listen, Ari, the mid 90s was a wild time in American retail. Wild.

Excellence. Excellence is never an accident. It is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction. Is there an eagle flying over a stream? That's a picture of a beautiful golf hole. Oh, there's also one with an eagle flying over a stream. There's one with a bear with a fish in his mouth. These are great. Yeah.

Okay. But like what? And we would just have coaches like screaming and then that would call the key. I've got the quotes already I'm ready to start obviously We're gonna go with they thought we're gonna be ass for sure. That's gonna be one of our trademark items. I Mean come on

How do we not? It thought we were going to be ass. I mean we were still asked, but you know, we weren't that bad. Toby law is getting a giant NIL deal for this. If he stays at Virginia Tech, if he goes to the NBA, we'll still give him an ad deal. But Toby law is going to get paid. Now, this first person, we'll get a few late greats to start with Bobby Bowden. He had a few late greats to start with.

Bobby Bowden, he had a bunch of these. Here's one. That boy don't know the meaning of the word fear. In fact, I just saw his grades and that boy don't know the meaning of a lot of words. Irk Russell, Great Georgia Southern coach. If you ever seen the the actor, if you ever seen the letters, G A T A get after their asses. That's irk Russell right there at Georgia Southern. We don't cheat that cost money and we don't have

any. I'm not gonna lie. Nick Saban. He probably drives a hard bargain here. Speaking of Georgia Southern by the way, they ran through our asses like **** through a 10 horn. Um can you imagine having that on your wall? You just had a bad day and you look up and there's Nick Saban going,

they ran through our asses like shit through a tin horn. You're like, you know what, Nick? These would be killer in like an H&R block during past tax season. Yes, yes. Like I'm thinking about, I'm looking at the wall right now. If I had that up on my wall and I had a bad day or we did a bad show and I looked at it,

you know what, Nick Saban had a bad day too. George Southern ran through his team like shit through a tin horn. Which I don't even know what that means, but it's okay. Yeah, I actually Googled that one time. And like, is there like a farm application to tin horns that I'm gonna wear off? No, I know, but like, what is do do people put goat shit through tin horns? I Don't know is the purpose is it like fertilizer or something? There's got to be like an origination of that saying When we have Nick Saban on we'll ask him

We got I got another one This is Mike leach you knew there was gonna be a Mike leach one. Yeah The entire first half we got hit in the mouth and acted like someone took our lunch money. And all we wanted to do was have pouty expressions on our face until somebody dabbed our little tears off and made us bleeping feel better. That's after Texas Tech gave up more than 600 yards

of offense to Oklahoma State in 2007. Now, why is that quote not more famous Ari? Because as Mike Leach was saying that in the visitors press conference, Mike Gundy was in the home press conference saying, I'm a man, I'm 40. What a game. Let me guess you were at like some random Florida game that day. I was covered in Florida that season. I would have been. To tell you how different the world was, I didn't see that until Monday when I got over to Florida's campus early for something

and Urban Meyer was walking into practice and I happened to walk past him and he goes, did you see what Gundy said? Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man. I'm 40. I'm not a kid. Write something about me. Greatest press conference day of all time in that game. One more. It's not your fault. It's our

fault for putting you in there. And that is Steve Springer to every player, whoever came off the field who screwed up. I feel like that would reassure me if that's on my wall. Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of them like in the yet and like the pros and stuff too that we could put together and make a nice little calendar out of at least. Oh yeah, playoffs. Successories John McKay from the from the Bucks. He's got he's got a bunch, you know. What do you think your team's execution?

I'm in favor of it. Yeah. Do you think if somebody said that today they would get fire? Well, Brian Kelly tried to say it after after they beat Florida State in overtime a few years ago on that Monday night Labor Day game. He just butchered it. Yeah.

I mean, I think that like insensitivity is reversed by funny quips. He just butchered it. Yeah. I mean, I think that like insensitivity is reversed by funny quips. Like if you're insensitive while making a funny quip, I think it's okay. John McKay, I think after a Bucks game said, we didn't tackle but we made up for it by not blocking. He was he was just tremendous. He was just one after another one after there was that one.

I sent into the chat. I didn't know if it makes sense for the motel. It makes perfect sense. That's I remember that one. He was at USC, right? They lost it at her Dame and he goes, I don't know how you remember it. It happened in 1966, but I told my team after the game. It doesn't matter.

There are 750 people, 750 million people in China who don't even know this game was played. The next day a guy called me from China and said what the hell happened coach? The man was a machine he was just a machine he was it he should have been a stand-up comedian. That would be a good mm-hmm it's like no matter what, you're not escaping it. Okay, so do you want to go to the the next? Hey, I don't really have any more question. One more question. But I have a, am I the a-hole segment? Okay, well we have one more question and I just want you to, we don't have to really comment on it, but I just want you to imagine this in your mind. have to really comment on it, but I just want you to imagine this in your mind.

Could she, could Timothy Chalamet star as Steve Spurrier in a biopic. So this is from Justin who asked really great questions almost every week. But Justin said, could Timothy Chalamet star as Steve Spurrier in a biopic before I saw Timothy Chalamet on college game day, I would have said absolutely not after Timothée Chalamet on College Game Day, 1 million percent and I would watch this movie and I would pay a million dollars to watch this movie. Let's make it happen to everybody. Steve Spurrier biopic from from Science Hill High School in

Johnson City, Tennessee to Gainesville, Florida to playing for the 49ers to coaching the Tampa Bay Bandits to to winning the ACC at Duke, to the fun and gun at Florida, revolutionizing South Carolina football, like I want it all. I want him to share it. I mean, women think he's handsome, so maybe he could throw on a visor and make it work, you know? I'm telling you, throw on a visor and go,

it's not your fault, son, it's our fault for putting you in there. He can do it. Gators don't smoke dope. Come on. He can do it. Do coaches even call their kids their team son anymore? Cause that, I think that's when we lost.

That's what America lost. That's when we lost our way. What are you doing out there, son? I don't know, but that was. Listen, it's perfect casting it. I think he could do it. I think he could do it. You out there. It's so rude. It's the greatest and everybody who

played for Susan because when I sent that quote in River goes was that when he was at Florida South Carolina, like everybody who played for Springer knows that one. Yeah. Was that when he was at Florida or South Carolina? I'm like, everybody who played for Spurrier knows that one. Yeah. And by the way, it's true.

It is. And a lot of coaches make that very mistake every Saturday. Yeah. He's blaming himself, but it's still withering criticism. It's also true. It's my fault that you suck and I didn't see it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's really the ultimate Steve Spurrier line. So what is your situation? Okay, so I know I'm dying to know is, you know, I'm trying to purchase a car. Okay. Yeah, I called you for personal advice off the show when we weren't joking about it. But anyway, I called you for personal advice off the show when we weren't joking about it. But anyway, I continued down trying to buy this mid 90s SL 500 and I found one in Florida

about a few hours away from Andy's house that has low mileage and is my price range. It's in the part of Florida where they call it Florida. Is that good or bad? I don't know what that means. It means it's a place where a bunch of people from up north move. Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. Anyway, Florida, perfect place where it could have been a retiree car, low

mileage, all that, but I'm buying it site unseen potentially. And I was talking to the guy yesterday and I was asking him, okay, you know, I'm interested very interested in the car. If this thing goes well, I'm going to buy it. I'll wire you the money later. And I was like, I need you to answer these 10 questions. And I sent him the questions and he answered the first two. And some of the questions were, can you send me a video of the car running? Can you show me the hard top that's not on it that you can put on it? Can you show me what you're

doing to the adjustable roof? Just like things that you would want to know if you were buying a car. You know what he said to me? He said, let's agree on price first before we move forward and waste each other's time with this. And did I tell you this yesterday? No, but you need you kind of need that information to agree on the price. So I said, okay. So I said, okay, my house is for sale. I'm not going to tell you where it is, how many square feet it is, if there's a roof that's leaking. Let's agree on the price first. And like I got snippy with him and long story short, we're no longer negotiating. No, you're no longer friends. No, you're not the a-hole here. Like, have you ever... How insulting is that? I mean, it's not gonna help him sell the car.

Show me what I wanna know, make me feel good, and then we'll talk about it. But if I don't... I don't even know what condition the stuff's in. Oh, you have the video. Yeah, there it is. There's the car. Yeah. It's a continent that I didn't know happened. And I actually sent it to McKenzie's husband who works with us and he's like, yeah, don't buy that

it's been sitting outside, which I would have been able to see because he's he's a classic car guy and he helped me out. But anyway, I was in Florida is very dangerous. Yeah, I was gonna have it shipped out to Dallas and I was gonna put some work into it and get it all nice and running and all that stuff. And like the guy was just like, yeah, let's agree on price first. I was like, well, they're doing if you play to the end of the video, look, you'll okay. Anyway, he opens the door and there's parts on the dashboard that they're putting into the hydraulics into the top. And it's like you didn't even tell me what was wrong with the top. How can I possibly talk to you about price without knowing what's wrong with the top. Does it work? Where's the hard top? What conditions it in?

How can I say yes if I don't know these things? And again, it's one of these deals where I'm just like, am I the only one saying this shit? Am I the only one? No, I'm guessing that guy is not very successful at selling to people who aren't on his lot because those are all very reasonable questions. Very serious and I was like ready to go. You know this. I was ready. I had the

wiring information and everything. I was gonna do it and I was like forget you. I'll find it somewhere else. He thought he had you on the hook already and he was very disappointed to figure out what he wanted. Also lastly Andy, bug update. Oh, you want a bug update? It's Friday. So I canceled my other bug company, as I told you, when they wouldn't come out the day for the same day service. But I paid already for the month, so I had their service still for two more before they canceled it.

So they came out yesterday, and they sprayed repellent on the outside of the house and then last night when my wife came home, these bugs were everywhere. Oh no. So, the company you fired caused more bugs to come into your house. So, the company I fired sprayed repellent but Joshua from the other company did not spray repellent. He did something to attract them to take so it's a virus that it takes back to the queen and kills the queen. So this other company comes and sprays whatever crap they

sprayed and actually had the reverse effect where they went nuts and they went inside to get shelter from whatever the repellent was and then Joshua came back today for his follow up and he goes, yeah, dude, I gotta redo everything because they messed it up so I'd like call the company and be like hey I know I paid for the service but don't come back because when I for Joshua left the bugs disappeared and the last night I killed like a hundred of them. Joshua's the real hero here. So just for all you people who go to Home Depot and buy lime and bury people in your backyard and do this stuff yourself, you know that there are two different types of bug

spray, repellent and the other type, which is- It's something that attracts them, something that they want to eat and bring back. Yes, and if you spray both on your property in the two week period, it has a very bad result. All right, we have a random ranking. bring back on your property in the two week period. It has a very bad result. All right, are we have a we have a random ranking. Okay, from Matt. Matt wants to know what our random ranking of best limited time food promotions at fast food restaurants are. And River has the $5 footlong in the picture. I didn't I didn't

even think about that. I didn't think of the $5 footlong in the picture. I didn't even think about that. I didn't think of the $5 footlong at Subway as a limited time promotion, which by the way, not anymore. It's like a $9 footlong now. But- Yeah, you can't even get a six inch of $5 anymore. Inflation's a bear.

So do you have a top five? The discontinued promotion is much different than discontinued items. Well, limited time items, like one of mine is discontinued, but they brought it back for a limited time. Okay, so it's a food item and not just a deal? Right. Yeah, mine are all items. I didn't realize deals were part of the equation.

Yeah, because the best deal in fast food is the 599 Domino's add three or more thing. It's now 699. But whatever, it can be 999. It's, you need to add a whole pizza for six bucks? That's like hot and ready prices coming to your door. Coming to your door. Domino's.

We are we are here with our arms open waiting for you, man. We are here. We are here. Can you tell our Wendy's deal ran out because we got a lot of fast food restaurants we're going to mention today. I miss you, Wendy's, but I do miss the McFish bites from McDonald's, which nobody else would say, but I thought they were delicious. Well, I have a I have a top five.

You ready for my top five? I want you to critique my top five. Okay. There's one you're gonna hate. I already know it, but number five. Number five, Chick-fil-A Peach Milkshake. These are available from June to August. There's nothing stopping you

from having them available all year, and I know what you're, Chick-fil-A sources only the freshest ingredients. And that's when each season is. Yeah, you can freeze peaches. You're making milkshakes for God's sake. You're not eating them fresh. Like have the milkshake.

It's frozen already. Like have the milkshake year round. I've never even heard of this. So I have no comment, but I'm taking my daughter. I had a peach milkshake at Chick-fil-A. I'm not much of a sweets guy. You know this about me. I had a peach milkshake at Chick-fil-A. I'm not much of a sweets guy you know this about me I don't I don't my fries and potatoes and pizzas what kills me not sweets. They are

spectacular. Love the Shamrock Shake. It's the Shamrock Shake is garbage compared to a peach milkshake from Chick-fil-A. I'll call it a way to try it when it comes back. Yeah June to August. Those are your, that's when you have your chance. Number four, you're gonna hate this one. I already know. Squash soup from Panera Bread, the autumn squash soup. It's awesome.

Awesome. You dip the sourdough in it, it's perfect. The Red Bull thing I can get behind. Well, here's the thing. If you are trying to watch your weight and you it's hard to eat out when you're watching your weight. This is one of those things that will fill you up. It's very low in calories. Now, look, if you're eating the whole Red Bull of sourdough, then it goes to 1500 calories. Yeah, you're adding a lot of calories.

But it is a tremendous like if you just get the cup of soup or the bowl of soup and the hunk of sourdough, that's like 250 calories, like you can dunk that. It's a great meal, but they never have it anymore. They never have it in the store. This is the second question is like, is soup a meal? But that's another day, I think. Yeah, yeah.

I do think soup is a meal. I think stews are more of a meal, but- I don't think soup, a meal, but you can, that's another day, I think. Yeah, yeah. I do think soup is a meal. I think stews are more of a meal, but. I don't think soup is a meal. I think, well, if you have bread with soup, then it's a meal, or if you have a bread bowl. So number three, the KFC Double Down. This is what everybody was going low carb crazy. Producer River got the, there it is.

It's fried. Yeah, it's fried, but it's it's too fried chicken breasts to fried chicken breasts around cheese and bacon. I know, but the bread there's bread all over it. Yeah, it's still lower in carbs than if you had a bun. I bet you it's not that different. Well, I bet you it's freaking delicious. Cause well, I know it's freaking delicious. Cause I had it.

I've never eaten it, but I will say if you're eating that for a low carb meal, then you're not doing whatever you think you're doing. Correct. Well, no shit Sherlock, but this is how KFC cashed in on the craze. There's people who have lost a bunch of weight on keto who would eat that, but the, the breasts are grilled There's people who have lost a bunch of weight on keto who would eat that but the the breasts are grilled,

but they would have the grill. Yes, but it's KFC, not KGC. So they have grilled chicken at KFC. Yeah, it didn't sell that well so. This they'd still have, except it would probably cost like 9 bucks now. Yeah, I never tried it. Was it good?

It's a lot of protein. Was it good? Oh my god. It's two fried chicken restaurant cheese and bacon. Like how could it not be good? Okay, keep going. Number two, this is the one that was a regular menu item got discontinued and was brought back as a limited time item. And then taken away again, which I don't know. I don't understand why this is not still a permanent menu item. The double decker taco from Taco Bell. This is the best item ever on the Taco Bell menu. It was a hard taco, a regular hard taco, just

with beef, cheese, and lettuce. And then they have a layer of beans and then a soft taco shell around it. These things used to be 99 cents, Ari. When I was in college, I would smash these things over and over and over, like six of them at a time. The thing I don't understand about Taco Bell, and it's the same thing that we've always talked about when it comes to this restaurant is everything in that picture is on the menu in 9000 different ways. They've got five ingredients. Those things are good together and this is the best possible combination of them. So just get a bean burrito and open it and put the taco in. They have it there. No, cuz they put onions in the

bean burrito by default. You could order this one with no special order and it was already perfect. I'm just saying like you can't miss something from Taco Bell when everything there is there. Why do I have to do the extra work of buying the burrito and then put it- I'm just saying like Taco Bell- They had the perfect item and they took it away.

Co-bell is so interesting to me. How creative, because like the thing is, it's like, I feel like I would be really good. Like if like on three laid me off and I never could do this anymore, like I feel like I would be really good in like the like think tanks at these fast food. Because like Pizza Hut does it too.

Oh yeah. How many times can we make a pizza but call it something different with the same, but it's the same thing. I'm glad you mentioned that because number one is the Priazzo from Pizza Hut. You don't remember the Priazzo. I don't even think you were born yet.

Look at that glorious Priazzo. So it was basically a Giordano's deep dish pizza kind of, but not really. It's like a triple decker pizza. It was so thin and just stuffed with toppings. It's two thin crust pizzas on top of each other with toppings in between. It was amazing. And I remember I worked at champs in the mall, my senior year of high school. So this is more like December, 1995. And my manager, Chris, just one day decides to wistfully remember the Priazzo.

He's like, I would pay $20 for a Priazzo right now, which inflation, like that means he'd now pay $40 for a Priazzo. And you know what? I'd pay $40 right now for a Priazzo. The reason they stopped making these is they took too long to cook. And so it messed up the timing in the oven. now for a Priata. The reason they stopped making these is they took too long to cook. And so it messed up the timing in the oven. Like you couldn't do the volume you'd normally want to do it a pizza. And this is back in the day when people still go to the restaurant

in theory, when you had a lunchbox, a cream thin crust pizza with pepperoni, sausage, onion, and mushrooms or whatever your perfect pizza is. Not that input. yeah. Whatever, whatever toppings you have in there, make that pizza on a thin crust, and then you took another thin crust and put it on top of it, and then baked them for five minutes. Is that what you're gonna get? You put that, but you put all the toppings in the middle,

and then you put sauce and cheese, you put cheese in the middle too, and then you put sauce and cheese over the one you flipped upside down and put on top. Right. Yeah, it's amazing. It's like lasagna. Yeah, I get it. I think that would probably be very good. Again, still the same stuff that they already have. But like like who's the fast food chain now that has the That has the volcano Of sauce in the middle or just a pizza around and then it only is like three quarters of the way And then they like put a bunch of dough in the middle of it and then put a marinara

So you can dip your pizza in the volcano. Have you not seen this? I I think i've seen the commercial but i'm i'm blanking who it is, but sounds kind of like I do it's dominoes Oh, it is domino's. Okay. And I'm gonna say I saw it on the app then. But I feel like if if on three laid me off, and like I had to go be in one of these think takes of like, how can we repackage what we already make and make it feel new? I think I would be pretty good at this because like, I gotta tell you,

it's genius because these fast food restaurants get you to go try the thing like it's new. And then when you get there, it's just the same thing that you've already eaten a hundred times. Uh, and it's like the biggest, it's like, you know, it's basically the entire uh, listen, it's like star wars. Every offense runs white stick. It's how you dress it up in the formation in the motion. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Like that's literally the entire Star Wars movie franchise.

They do it over and over again and they call something different. Look at that. Look at that. I guess that's cheddar cheese in the middle. It's got a lake of cheese in the middle. That's amazing. Yeah, I think I could come up with something Uh, I mean that's the thing you have to have a diabolical mind because

They've been making pizza for a couple hundred years now the people at taco bell are the best at it Yes, all the menu items are the same It makes me think of algebra class when we learn permutations and combinations Like i'm going to give you four ingredients How many different combinations can you make of this? All it is is the order in which you put it together. There's no difference in Taco Bell. There's 19 different menu. I know, but when you take a bite out of it, you might be able to recognize what you're eating from texture, but it all kind of tastes the same. You are the you're you are the least sophisticated Taco Bell consumer. I don't go there ever for this reason.

Clearly. Do you eat Taco Bell sober? The last time I had Taco Bell, I was sober and it was for a show. It was the $28 Taco Bell show. And you've never done it since? I marvel at people in, because like there's Taco Bells in Dallas. Dallas is the best fast food city in America because they have West Coast chains and East Coast chains.

Like you can go, there's not a lot of cities you can get in and out Culver's and all the other ones. Like what a burger. It's all the same thing. Texas institution. Yes. It blows my mind that there are people at lunchtime on Saturday who will drive into a drive-through

at Taco Bell a quarter of a mile away from like an In-N-Out. Like how would you possibly do that? Well, the other part of that in Dallas is you also have good taquerias that are legitimate, authentic taquerias that are legitimate, authentic taquerias. Right.

So, yeah. But the person who defaults to that is, that's where their head's gonna be anyway. So. Yeah, and it's quick. I'm not trying to shame you. I've had very shameful fast food meals in my car. Like it's part of humanity,

but like it's, it's like when given the option, if you're gonna poison yourself, you might as well put really good food in there, which is a philosophy I'm trying to adopt myself. If it's gonna be bad for you, then it better be worth it. And I've gotten, I've gained too many pounds in my life eating things that weren't even that good.

I don't know though. I will tell you like, I remember when I was covered in high school football and you'd have those Fridays where you'd be going from like two in the afternoon, wouldn't finish work till like one in the morning. That Taco Bell would hit so great at 1.30 a.m. Andy, hands up.

So great. People like what they like. I like Long John Silver's. I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna put that on John Silvers, too I think it's good told you I've told you about my high school Long John Silvers order, right? Yeah. Yeah Yeah, but I'm 10 chicken planks and fries for four. I would eat at Long John Silvers for lunch as a 40 year old man Well when you're 40, I'll take you to Long John Silvers for your birthday Hopefully it won't be that long. But like also to like there's

people I see memes online of like, who are these people who are keeping Arby's and, and Long John Silver's in business? I'm thinking like, I don't know more sophisticated people than people who are keeping Taco Bell business like to get that Taco Bell contract. Listen, but we'll take Arby's to. Like Arby's, come on. The thing about it though is that like,

I'm not saying, and I'm not backtracking here. I'm not saying Taco Bell doesn't taste good. All fast food tastes good. It's fast food. It's carbs and fried stuff. It's kind of hard for it not to taste good. My only thing is if you're going to go through a drive-through and you're gonna spend spend $12 to $15 on your meal,

and it's not a big inconvenience how you would choose that particular chain over other better ones that are in the same general vicinity. Because you think it's better. And they would say that the filet-o-fish is not very good. And you would be like, No, that's the greatest fast food item of all time. And around around we go. Yeah, but my friend said it best I'm sorry I don't like exactly what you like. Producer River trying to help us out getting that Arby's deal. Give us your best. We have the

meats. Can you try first? I gotta. We have the meats. We have the meats. Do you know who says that? Yeah, it's the dude from Star Wars. It was Darth Vader, right? No, it's not James Earl Jones. No, wait, wait, wait. It's the guy from the Allstate commercials. It's Ving Rhames. I was over two on those. Yeah, it's Ving Rhames. I didn't realize he was somebody famous for a while. And then I looked it up. I, it's Ving Rhames. I didn't realize it was somebody famous for a while and then I looked it up. I was like, Ving Rhames, all right. You know what's so funny?

Is that like anybody could have done that and they just paid Ving Rhames $10 million to do it. When they could have just got some random voice actor to do it for 50 bucks. Where they probably paid Ving, they probably paid Ving Rhames a good amount at first and then it got popular and now they have to pay Ving Rhames $10 million. Same guy like the dude from the Allstate commercials, Dennis Haysburg

I think is his name. Dennis Haysburg, well I mean Pedro Serrano from Major League, show some freaking respect. But like also at the same time. I look like Jesus Christ but he no helped me hit curveball. I know but like Allstate insurance. Up your, Joe Boo. Is your customer like, yeah, that's the dude for major league. Is that like, is that a- I believe he was the president on 24. I think that's what more people would know him from, but to me, he's always Pedro Serrano.

I know we gotta get out of here. We're an hour and 20 minutes into this, but Andy. Think about, we talked a little bit about like unnecessary corporate spending just in general. Yes. But like think about like the commercial industry and how often people pay people in ordnance amount of, in ordinate amounts of money. And I think at times it's like, okay, that's Steph Curry. And he's in a Geico commercial about basketball. It's like, okay, I get it. Like Steph, but like sometimes these corporations pay a boatload of money to a figure who isn't even recognizable

to the most of the population. And like it doesn't land the way it's supposed to. So what are you saying corporations is instead of paying a boatload of money to someone who is marginally famous, pay a dinghy load of money to us who are not famous at all, but cheaper and we'll sell like we'll put your product over yeah and like the thing is is that like that's the sausage Wendy's isn't a sponsor anymore but maybe back who knows no no I know you put that in there because you were afraid I was gonna say something

mean Wendy's is good. You know, like I like Wendy's. It was a good deal that we were promoting. Their spicy nuggets are awesome. And the ones that we tried were good. Like it's fried chicken. It's good. And if you haven't had it, go get it. But you know, I don't feel like we've had a product

on the show that like sucks. We've had some awesome products. Like those Huell drinks, I'm telling you right now. Like I love those things. There's been one thing, and it's not since I've worked it on three. There's one thing that we've had come through that I've had to do the read for,

and I tried the product and I was just like, oh no, this is not great. Manscaped? Oh, I love Manscaped. I'm kidding, I oh no, this is not great. Manscaped? Oh, I love Manscaped. I'm kidding, I was a joker. I still have the Manscaped. I kept getting the Manscaped kits and was just giving them as gifts.

Yeah. I love Manscaped. But look, the company's out there now and they're never gonna, I know they're not gonna advertise with us, probably. They certainly aren't after this. But Athlet greens. Oh, oh, that was awful. Things about athletic greens, though, is that the concept is great. Yes. Like if you can make a shake and get like a bunch of vitamins and minerals and like green juice in your body, and it's a healthy thing. The thing that you have

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