Andy & Ari On3 - Will Nico to UCLA get done? | Fran Brown sets the market

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to Annie and Ari on three presented by Culver's. The transfer portal has been open for more than 24 hours and there is heavy action. But of course, I don't know if we're ever going to have another topic on this show. Ari, we still got to talk about Nico because it doesn't seem like Nico to UCLA is done. It seems like it may be heading that way, but it doesn't seem done yet.
Starting point is 00:00:30 Yeah, usually when you get a report that someone's going somewhere, then like 10 other people are like, yeah, that's true. And that's not that Bruce and Dave at the athletic are wrong, but we at on three just don't feel comfortable reporting it yet So and ESPN and 24-7 and so it's been a strange past 24 hours because normally These things work a little bit differently normally the place starts to leak it out and they tend to leak it out to everybody at once. And this has been a little more of a drip, drip, drip situation. And we're waiting for other things to kind of pop as well because there are
Starting point is 00:01:13 side effects to this if this winds up happening. But we also had the counter offensive from Team Niko. They had the front office sports story saying no, it wasn't. It wasn't money, it was the offense and of course that that was also passed along by Colin Cowherd, who was the first to report the Nico to UCLA News. Calling Howard not not really known as a college football insider, but yeah passed along the family claims. It's not
Starting point is 00:01:41 about the money. It's about the ball football offense, which uh huh. OK, sure. So you knew Josh Heiple wasn't leaving in December, so you knew the offense would be the same, yet you waited till April and now you're going to put him with an offensive coordinator whose next play call will be his first. Tino Sonseri is UCLA's new O.C. He comes from Indiana where he was the quarterbacks coach, but Indiana's offensive coordinator, the guy who called the plays is Mike Shanahan, not that Mike Shanahan, the younger one, no relation. But that is who's actually the play caller at Indiana. So Tina Sinceri may be
Starting point is 00:02:19 a very good OC as he moves along his career. We don't know that yet because he's never called to play. So that's where they're out on that. Wait, you're telling me that Tennessee didn't change their offense last week. Amazing, right? Right. So Nico knew what the offense was when he signed knew what
Starting point is 00:02:40 the offense was when he was there for a year as not the starter and know what the offense was when he was there for a year as not the starter and Know what the offense was for a year as the starter and then didn't leave in December When he knew the offense would be the same, but yeah, sure. It's about the offense. Yeah There's gonna be a lot of attempting to save face here when this is all said and done. So like I don't, I'm not surprised that the attempt spin move here is happening, but that cannot be the case because we all have this funny thing called common sense and if that were the case this would have come to a head a long time ago. Like that's, there's no way that's true at all. If it was about the offense he would have gotten there and after the first year when he didn't start, would have been like,
Starting point is 00:03:25 no, this won't get me ready for the NFL. I'm out. That's how that works. You're actually seeing guys jump into the transfer portal now who are at schools that changed offenses and they're like, this doesn't fit. I'm out. I just saw a Joe Milton rookie card. Very rare one sell for like nine grand.
Starting point is 00:04:06 Just so you know, there are two. I think the Joe Milton rookie resume. I just think he was a really good college player. No, I think that the knock is more that that offense, which is the old Art Brails, Baylor offense, no quarterback, so I really broken out of that and then had success in the NFL. But that was the same knock on the air raid till Patrick Mahomes. So right. I think that it's more player driven than it is offense driven, if I'm being honest.
Starting point is 00:04:24 I think you're right about that. Ari, let us bring on Andy. One last thing about that. The offense for a long time, the Art Briles offense wasn't necessarily employed at the biggest, most talented programs either, right? Like it's sketching on now, but there's also a correlation between where players come from
Starting point is 00:04:42 and what offenses that they're playing into. So like, yeah, and if RG 3's knee holds up, we might be having a different conversation about that offense and quarterbacks having success in the NFL. Alright, let us bring on our friend Pete Nacos on threes resident insider, make it a little more scrawl of these days. According to our boss, Shannon Terry, we saw that we saw the photo.
Starting point is 00:05:06 It was nice. What'd you celebrate with, Pete? The transfer portal opening. I'll celebrate with me. Oh, okay, so you should go right back to work. Yeah. All right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:16 Wendy, have you ever wanted to be, like, every time I've gotten a raise in my life, I don't know that, like, my employer was really happy to do it. Like, my goal in life is to Shake somebody's hand while they hold over a piece of paper with money symbols on it as a photo opportunity like that's what I Want in life you need to win a golf tournament. All right, you know, I'm taking golf lessons now, but like that was inspirational They gotta put that like you gotta take that picture and frame it. Put it somewhere in your office, Pete.
Starting point is 00:05:47 I have a desk so I can make sure you're printing it. There's a photo that someone smuggled out of the Tennessee football offices last week when all this was going down. I don't know how I got it, but it has a photo of Naco's and it says, don't talk to Pete. I think that's the one he needs to frame. Pete can't talk about, I love that. He can't say a word about this, but okay. We gotta talk, Pete.
Starting point is 00:06:12 So Nico Yamalayaba, talking to UCLA. You've said pretty much since all this broke out that UCLA was gonna be in the mix for him. Where would that be right now, do we think? Yeah, so, I mean, you guys have made phone calls. Steve Wolfang's made phone calls. We keep hearing that UCLA is the team to watch in this. It continues to look like that UCLA
Starting point is 00:06:38 is the most viable option in all of this. But we haven't been in a little confirmed, it's a done deal. I got a phone call this morning, just before we jumped on that UCLA is starting to use Niko to Westwood as a recruiting tactic in the transfer portal. So that doesn't mean that it's done just yet, but there's definitely still some motion there. And you know, it's a really interesting situation too.
Starting point is 00:07:00 I've talked to a lot of people in Joey Aguilar's camp, the AP state quarterback who transferred to UCLA. He's kind of been kept in the dark in all this. And meanwhile, the spring game scheduled for Friday night. Yes, this is pretty unusual. Usually it goes the way it went with J naught, right? Where you post a prediction and then like 12 hours later it happened.
Starting point is 00:07:23 How unusual has it been in this case? And maybe it's right to expect that given how we got here to begin with, but has it been an unusual transfer to report? Yeah, the whole thing has been, you know, unprecedented from Tennessee and him having a public divorce to him in the portal and now without it exactly being the smoothest commitment timeline. So that part has definitely been unique. I guess I'm not surprised by any of it though just because of how it all kind of went down at Tennessee and now that's kind of leading to this, you know, this like unknown commitment
Starting point is 00:08:00 to UCLA and I'm not saying that he isn't gonna end up at UCLA but it definitely is not a done deal and that was really stressed me last night by a few sources. Well and that's what's so interesting about this Pete because if it were to fall apart I don't even know where he goes from there. You and I were talking last night and we're racking our brains trying to figure out what schools would even be in the mix at that point. Yeah so right North Carolina two-liner out of the mix. UNLV is not going to go after Niko from what on three Steve
Starting point is 00:08:30 Wolfang has heard. And also know like Liberty is not going to be in that mix either. Those are just some G5 schools that could take a quarterback, possibly, but they're not going to take Niko. So yeah yeah I continue to rack my brain I'm not I'm not quite sure what the other option is outside of UCLA and you know the one thing I keep hearing a lot about too and and I think
Starting point is 00:08:55 that needs to be remembered when we talk about Nico right now is he's gonna be a junior next year you can go to the NFL draft after next season a lot of programs don't wanna bring in what someone called, told me a six month rental just because like not gonna know the playbook that great because he missed spring ball and it's gonna be such a sped up timeline. They don't know if that's what they need
Starting point is 00:09:19 for their program right now. Yeah, and it's also an interesting dynamic to be in a position where you're going after a quarterback that believes that they're worth a lot of money has not become a Proven asset in the sense of you know For sure you're gonna get ceiling level play and then also at the same time already know he's gonna bolt to the NFL even if you know Things don't go the way that they're supposed to like it's a very bizarre
Starting point is 00:09:40 Scenario because usually players who are commanding this much money are better. And this has all become about money right in the last week right? He's making like 2.2 to 2.5 at Tennessee and as ESPN reported he was looking for 4 million. Well as we all know all the money's in the NFL so at the end of the day he's gonna get to the NFL as soon as he can. Well and that's the other piece of this too is the NFL. I've had people ask me, somebody asked a mail back question about would he sit out a year and just hire a trainer and then go to another school. I'm like, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:10:17 I think their plan is to go to the NFL after year three in college. So getting this thing done with UCLA is probably pretty important along those lines. Do you need good tape? I don't even know. I'm not an NFL draft analyst, but if he has the same year that he had last year, is he even a top three round pick?
Starting point is 00:10:41 He needs tape. He needs to play somewhere. Yeah, I'd agree with that. And he needs to play well. So UCLA is an interesting one because Tino Sincere is the new offensive coordinator. He comes from Indiana. Obviously they had a lot of success with Curtis Rourke last year as a transfer, as a one-year rental. But it was a one-year rental, not a six-month rental. And Curtis Rourke had four years of starting in the Mac before that. Like we said earlier, Tino Sinceri did not call the plays at Indiana,
Starting point is 00:11:12 but he's a bright young mind, viewed as a rising star in the coaching profession, so I don't have a doubt that he's going to be good at being an offensive coordinator, but it's interesting because we don't actually know what the UCLA office gonna look like. Yeah. And the other thing too is we've all heard it. But but but Tino Sincere really likes Joey Aguilar. Like he's really like the body of work that Joey's done from what I've heard. And they were excited about what that's gonna look like. So that's a dynamic that I'm personally interested in seeing
Starting point is 00:11:44 how it all plays out. Yeah. And also too, if, if Nico does end up at UCLA, cause like, if you go read the athletic report is it says Nico is expected to go there, it doesn't mean that it's over, you know, uh, but if he does end up there, which I think is still the probably safest bet, um, Joey becomes a pretty coveted quarterback himself. Doesn't he? He's a pretty good player last year? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Or he could say and try to challenge Nico for the starting job, which would be. Great. Can you imagine if Joey Aguilar stayed and beat out Nico? Cause at that point, if you've signed Nico and you're paying him, you don't have to play him. You just play the best one, whoever that is. Oh man, Pete, we gotta talk about some of these other guys in the portal, because it was a pretty busy day
Starting point is 00:12:39 for day one of the spring portal. Let's go to Chapel Bill Bill start there. Okay, so Bo Atkinson, North Carolina is probably most productive returning defensive player. Yep, he's hit the portal. It looks like there's a pretty good market for him. Yeah, he's gonna have a really good market as one source kind of put it to me last night, he's gonna end up at like a top 10 program, like he wants to go play on the big stage.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Georgia and Ohio State are in the mix. Not quite sure if that Ohio State visit is 100% set. They're definitely in it though and I think those two schools we want to watch at this moment but definitely going to land at a top 10 program or at the very least a top 25 preseason program. Not the the best start there too Like you don't usually get players. The hope is that you're not getting players that are takes at Georgia and Ohio State potentially leaving your program right out of the gate either. That's kind of a tough, that's a tough loss. Yeah, but on the flip side I'll just add North Carolina is in a really good spot to land the South Alabama quarterback Gio Lopez and I know we've been reporting that now for 48 hours,
Starting point is 00:13:45 but that's still all on track to end that way. Right, and one of the quarterbacks who was taking snaps this spring hit the portal yesterday. So that's sort of clearing the decks. Like it looks like that's a done deal. Yep. Yeah, that was Ryan Brown too, the former Purdue transfer. Let's talk Tanner Koziel now. Tanner Coziel was one of
Starting point is 00:14:05 the one of the prizes in the transfer portal this past December. He was at Ball State, massive production at Ball State, tons of catches, tons of yards. He goes to Wisconsin where they're revamping the offense to look a little more like the Wisconsin offensive old. He's gone after spring. He's going somewhere else. Yeah, it's a tough loss for Luke Fickle's program. I think from what I've heard, he wanted a bigger role in the passing game. I don't expect this to be the fastest recruitment
Starting point is 00:14:38 we've ever seen in the transfer portal. I think that he's gonna definitely look at some options and you know, he's had an interesting career arc where he went in the portal a year ago and left Ball State and committed to Louisville but then decided to like renege on that and go back to Ball State. So that's one interesting ruffle in all this.
Starting point is 00:14:58 And then very interested to see where he lands. It will be one of the top tight ends in the spring portal. But gotta think that this is not gonna be the fastest decision we've seen. When I- No, I didn't. Go ahead, Art. When I did the way too early preseason All-American team,
Starting point is 00:15:18 I put Cozy Hole as my tight end. And I got multiple messages from personnel people in college football calling me an idiot So I'm very interested to see and then there was that like video that was going around about You know Luke fickle saying some people just aren't meant to be here. I'm sure you've seen the video It's the one that Wisconsin fans have been sharing since he left Implying that that's who he was speaking about. I'm very interested to see because the production was off the charts But I wonder if there's some question underneath the surface there about, you know, his toughness
Starting point is 00:15:48 and also, you know, commitment to wherever he goes. So I'm always fascinated about that because, you know, you see production and stats and, you know, you get excited about those things from our perspective. But then there's this underbelly of information sharing in college football where people, you know, college football where people get a reputation around them. And I'm very curious to see where he ends up, if it's somewhere Wisconsin or better, or if he's downgraded here. Pete, one of the interesting facets of this portal
Starting point is 00:16:21 is you get the guys that are going from the FCS level to the FPS. So, Sharma Brown I wanna ask you about North Dakota State running back was the Jerry Rice award winner last year which would be the best freshman in the FCS. What do we think happens with him? Yeah, he's gonna have a really great market
Starting point is 00:16:38 and the fact that he has three years at eligibility remaining is gonna make him one of the more top names in the spring portal. I don't have any early schools to watch right now just because he went and kind of like announced the planes to enter later in the day. I just know that he's going to be a top priority for a lot of running back needed teams and that's probably going to start with Georgia. Yeah, I love his name too, Andy. Is that a good name? It's a great name. I, you know, Fluff Bothwell, who went from South Alabama to Mississippi State,
Starting point is 00:17:07 I still think is the best named running back in this transfer portal cycle, but it's up there. Yeah. Yeah, Charmarr Brown sounds like it could be a Pokemon character, but maybe that's just because it starts with Char and Charizard's a pretty iconic one. I don't know, but this kid runs on it.
Starting point is 00:17:25 You just made the t-shirt wherever he winds up, Ari. Yeah, yeah. You don't tell me that if you put his likeness on a t-shirt that was just the Charizard card, and then you put him running it instead of that monster doing this thing. And by the way, that's the extent of my Pokemon knowledge. I don't want any allegations.
Starting point is 00:17:43 I was shocked you knew what a Charizard was So you want to know why because these cards are very expensive. So I know that It's on our market. Yeah. Yeah, but that's all I know but like have you been ripping Pokemon cards? It's okay So we all had that thing cuz like I don't know Andy you were probably too old Were you too old for the Pokemon phase or were you in it when you were? Yeah. No, I was in college when it started So I was on that. So we met at a binder. My brother and I, we never got into it where we were playing it, but like kids were collecting them
Starting point is 00:18:10 when we were children. So like we had like a binder like this thick full of cards. And like the whole thing was like, wait a minute, these things are worth a lot of money. So, you know, everybody has that moment where they go back in time and they look through their binder to see like, do we have the Charizard card?
Starting point is 00:18:25 And of course, like for three minutes, I was excited. Maybe we had something we didn't know we had. And of course everything we had was worthless. But I would buy the shirt that was him on the Charizard card that just said Charmar on it. And he said, dude. Charmar! Oh wait, that's more like Charmander or Charmeleon.
Starting point is 00:18:42 And this is the thing I don't understand. Charmar would be like, Charizard would be like, ah! The thing I don't understand. Charmander would be like, Charizard would be like, ah! The thing I don't understand about Andy is he was too young. My son watched Pokemon, the show, you always-
Starting point is 00:18:54 Over and over when he was five. He always has the knowledge somehow. He always knows. There's so many topics where it's just like, dude, I don't know what you're talking about. Andy has a general understanding of everything Because he's Andy. Yeah, you you'll see you'll see what you get exposed to as your daughter gets older that I promise Alright Pete we got some questions in the chat that sure I think you you can handle here. So
Starting point is 00:19:22 What about Tennessee in terms of grabbing a quarterback out of the portal? Because I think we've seen some announcements or at least some reporting, and you've done some reporting, that probably crossed some names off the list. Yeah, so reported yesterday that TCU quarterback Josh Hoover is going to stay with the Horned Frogs and he was a name that tossed around a lot behind the scenes about a potential Tennessee target. So that's one name kind of off the board. There's a couple other names that
Starting point is 00:19:51 have been floating around that I can't 100% rule out yet, but feel good that like a Haynes King and an Avery Johnson are going to return to their schools and not hop in the portal. But that's not 110% just yet. So super interested to see what Tennessee ends up doing. I don't think we're at the point yet where we have to have a conversation of like,
Starting point is 00:20:12 is Tennessee not gonna get a quarterback? But it's definitely an interesting situation. Have you gotten a sense though of how Tennessee feels about who's on the roster? They feel good. They feel good. I think they liked what George McIntyre did in the spring game. Obviously Jake Merklinger has a year of experience.
Starting point is 00:20:29 Obviously he backed up Niko. He didn't like start 13 games, but they feel good. They definitely need to bring someone in though. Like that bottom line is they got to bring someone in. I don't know how or what that looks like, but they need to bring someone in. Right because it could be a depth issue. You gotta if you were let's say lose two quarterbacks and it's not unheard of that a school loses two quarterbacks to injury during a season like I'll give you an example the 2013 Florida season the one where Wilma Champ went four eight, it fell apart because of quarterback injuries and not having that level of depth that you need. So that's the concern. I'm with you, Pete. They got to bring in somebody. They don't have to bring in somebody to start, but they probably need
Starting point is 00:21:14 to bring in somebody who they feel comfortable putting in a game at some point. We talked about this two days ago, but I continue to hear just how difficult it's going to be to, you know, obviously Nico leaving Tennessee was such a public divorce. Think about what it would a week or two days ago, but I continue to hear just how difficult it's gonna be to, obviously Nico leaving Tennessee was such a public divorce. Think about what it would look like if a proven starter left the program at this point in the year too. Yeah. Pete, I got a couple more names to ask you about,
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Starting point is 00:22:15 That's roeback.com. Code ANDY for 20% off your first order. All right, Pete, let's talk former five stars in the portal. Former five star receiver Micah Hudson, he went to Texas Tech. He left Texas Tech. He went to Texas A&M this offseason. He is now back in the portal. The assumption when he went back in the portal is he's going back to Texas Tech.
Starting point is 00:22:36 Is that the case? That is not the case. No, it's definitely an option on the table, but returning to Texas Tech is not a done deal or a lock or anything close to that Yeah, it kind of felt like at the beginning that it was gonna be that though, right? That something change It definitely when we reported that he'd stepped away from the program it definitely felt like return to Texas Tech was the play. I Yeah, I just don't think it's gonna line up perfectly and I'm not rolling out a return But it's definitely not as close to done as I thought it was like five months ago
Starting point is 00:23:11 I'm just found myself being in the position where I want Texas Tech to get everybody because I want to see how good they could be I Wasn't sure now you you you can tell me Pete. I don't know was Texas Tech all that keen on on Pete, I don't know, was Texas Tech all that keen on bringing him back? Because he was there for a year and they seem to be like, okay, you can go if you want. No, and I think they're gonna be more than happy
Starting point is 00:23:33 to bring him back if he takes a pay cut and things like that. I just don't think that, I think they're trying to make it clear to him that he's not gonna be able to come back and things are not gonna just be the way they were last time. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:46 I think it's amazing how this market is going. And I think that brings us to the Fran Brown discussion and Trevor Pena. Okay, so everybody's seen the clip or everybody's seen the quote from Fran Brown and we're gonna play it for you. The quote from Fran Brown is, if you're gonna make $2 million in wide receiver, that's the whole me at Ohio State. Okay, we're gonna play you for you. The quote from Ferran Brown is, if you're gonna make $2 million a wide receiver,
Starting point is 00:24:05 that's the homey at Ohio State. Okay, we're gonna play you that quote in a second. But I would like to add some context to this because if you watch the context in that interview, which is the show is called Q Sports Talk. And so it's a whole interview with Fran Brown. It's like 22 minutes long. And they talk about Trevor Pena quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:24:33 Trevor Pena is their leading returning receiver. He's entering the portal. I don't know about you Pete, but I got the sense from hearing what Fran Brown said that he wasn't asking for $2 million. That this was more of a offense post-com accord issue Yeah, I didn't get the sense from that quote that Trevor Pena exactly asked for two million dollars I think he was just more so
Starting point is 00:24:57 You know saying that things are things are changing He's not gonna pay two million, but I didn't I didn't think that quote specifically was that painting was asking for two million. Yeah, I mean the way that it was. But it was still hilarious. We're gonna play it anyway, because Fran Brown is the best. He is a quote machine. Here is Fran Brown talking about
Starting point is 00:25:15 people not understanding their value. Coach, you know, you mentioned it earlier, but you know, I think a part of the fan base is worried about, you are comfortable where Syracuse is with NIL and that didn't play into it? No, no, we was going to, it didn't play into it at all,
Starting point is 00:25:31 but sometimes people be asking for outrageous number, like, right? You're not about to make more than every coordinator and all like, man, good, nah, like stop. But all due respect to everybody in the country, to every wide receiver, to everybody that's throwing all this stuff, like, you're the country, to every Y receiver, to everybody that's doing all this stuff.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Like, you're gonna make two million that Y receiver, that's the blue homie over at Ohio State. Ain't nobody else making that money. Giving the Y receiver no two million dollars, man, in college. Nah, that ain't me. I ain't doing that. I can't do it. Unless they tell me that we get a chance to have Travis Hunter, he could come back to college and he could come here and play for us. He
Starting point is 00:26:09 gonna get some of my check but I ain't paying nobody 2000 this year. Not not not to me. 2 million. Whatever. I just say yeah, we ain't giving nobody that. I love that he's like, I don't pay anybody 2 million dollars. Well, unless it's Travis Hunter. Yes, I definitely pay him $2 million. But I thought, I thought to frame Brown on the phone, like three weeks ago, and I was like, do you want to comment more on the Colorado spring game situation?
Starting point is 00:26:35 He's like, nah, man, that's not me. I'm not in that position yet. I'm like, all right, cool. Fran Brown, we need to have on the show. We, I did an interview with him when he took the job at Syracuse and the phone call got a little contentious and like a positive way. Like we weren't fighting, but like I was pushing back on like,
Starting point is 00:26:54 he was like, yeah, well, Syracuse is gonna go after Georgia players. I'm like, all right, dude, like, are you really gonna go after players that are being recruited by Georgia? And he like was offended by the notion that Syracuse couldn't do it. And then at the end of the call, he goes, I appreciate you having, you know, the onions to look me in the eye and say that, but we're going to prove you wrong. And like
Starting point is 00:27:14 I just, I really do love that guy. Like I feel like it's, it's, it's awesome. They had a great first year. Now the ACC screwed him with the schedule this year to play the, the four toughest teams in the league on the road and they also play Notre Dame but and they oh they started Tennessee because everything always comes back to Tennessee but what is the market for Trevor Pena by the way who is a you know 900 yard last year slot receiver. Yeah, he's got a really strong market. He heard from about like 25 to
Starting point is 00:27:42 30 schools in the last 48 hours since he made the decision to go in the portal. The one big school to watch though at this point is Miami. All right, here you go. Miami, which they had Nikar hit the portal yesterday, who was a big time recruit who's now looking elsewhere. So a lot of names shuffling around. Pete, we're going to let you get back to work because I know you have lots of agents calling you,
Starting point is 00:28:05 lots of folks to talk to. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. See you guys. That's Pete Nacos. Before we talk more about Fran Brown, because I love Fran Brown. I love Fran Brown so much.
Starting point is 00:28:17 But before we talk more about that, I wanna tell you about Culver's. Because Culver's is bringing us next week to Green Bay for the draft. That's right. We're going to be at the Culver's Great Wisconsin tailgate outside the frozen Tundra Blambo Field will be doing shows there on Thursday and Friday of next week. Great guests coming born in Wisconsin.
Starting point is 00:28:41 Culver's is the home of the legendary Butterburger, fresh frozen custard and Wisconsin cheese curds and they are bringing it to the world. They were bringing a taste of America's dairy land to the world or at least to your neck of the woods, your neighborhood. I know there's one right down the street from me. I might get a frozen custard later today. I'm not gonna lie Ari because those things are fire. Well, they're frozen, but they're fire. So hit up Culver's and then watch us in the land of Culver's next week. I've been doing this thing, Andy, where I've been eating dinner earlier in the evening.
Starting point is 00:29:19 Like around five or six. Welcome to the club. Yeah. I'm doing it. I'm doing it on purpose though, not because that's the right time for dinner is more seven, eight o'clock. But I've been doing it earlier to allow my body to digest whatever I ate for dinner,
Starting point is 00:29:34 go to bed with an empty stomach and then wake up. I've been feeling better in the morning. But I get really, really, really hungry around the time we're doing the show. And every time you read this ad, like I just think about the expansive menu of that place. And it's just like, I also am not above eating a juicy burger at 830 in the morning. Like I'm not one of those people that has time slots. I don't have set rules on that sort of thing.
Starting point is 00:30:02 And like every time you read that ad, I am am just like take me to Green Bay. I am starving And I know that they're gonna they're gonna back up the truck too Like I know that there's gonna be there's gonna be they're basically building a restaurant around our set. It's gonna be amazing I can't wait. I'm so excited. All right Davis in the chat Talking about Fran Brown Why send your kid to a school that would publicly denigrate your kid for trying to negotiate in private? Wait, I'm so excited. All right, Davis in the chat. Talking about Fran Brown. Why send your kid to a school that will publicly denigrate your kid for trying to negotiate in private?
Starting point is 00:30:29 That's not good business. Fran Brown was not talking about Trevor Pena when he said $2 million. I don't know how to make that more clear. Yeah. The way that the quote has been presented makes it seem like he was, though. So like he said, NIL didn't come into play and then went on the diatribe. I don't know what the actual reason for the for the like the way that it was they were talking about it.
Starting point is 00:31:02 I see why people are making that earlier in the interview. He talks about, hey, it wasn't necessarily a money thing with Trevor. He was, you know, he's looking for something that it would have been six year, by the way. He said, Fran Brown said, hey, we were lucky to have him another year. But also, he's trying to get himself set up for the NFL. Obviously, things are different there this year because Com Accord isn't there anymore. So you're breaking into a new quarterback, and it's a different situation. So that may be more to it than the money piece of it. But Fran Brown also said, apparently, the other Syracuse players knew what Trevor Pena was scheduled to make because they're like, hey, we heard you had some money freed up, but she spread that spread that wealth around.
Starting point is 00:31:49 I just like was thinking about Niko going to Syracuse, Trevor coming back and them just rocking rocking it. But I think you know, I think you know right now that there is no chance that Niko would go to Syracuse because can you imagine team Niko in a negotiation with Fran Brown? We would like $4 million. No. We would like $3 million. No. We would like $2 million. No. Yeah, and then he would just start comparing you to people who are reportedly making that much money. Like it's like I want $4 million. Well, now that was that was the homie Caleb Brown Caleb Williams Yeah, because Jeremiah Smith probably making more than 2 million and worth every penny but I do want to ask you though Andy
Starting point is 00:32:47 You would agree or at least it's my opinion, that the value of a number one, getting to get open every play, game-changing receiver has become more important, or more valuable in the recent years. I don't know if you agree with that, but the teams that have those players, a receiver can win you a football game. Yes. I know Jeremiah Smith is an alien. I don't want to use him as a baseline. But do you think that a receiver in theory could be worth a million or a million and a half? Sure, yes.
Starting point is 00:33:18 And how many Alabama fans got mad at me the other day when we were talking about what was going on at Florida and what they hope for Dallas Wilson, their freshman receiver, because they said, I don't want to compare anybody to Jeremiah Smith because that's not fair because he's an alien. And I said, but the Florida people would be thrilled if Dallas Wilson winds up being like Ryan Williams last year. And the Alabama fans seem to think that was an insult to Ryan Williams. Like Ryan Williams was awesome. Yeah, they're hoping Dallas Wilson, who was a similar level recruit. Is as good as a freshman as Ryan Williams was whether he is or not is another question, but that's the whole point. Like those guys are rare, they're special.
Starting point is 00:34:02 And if you can get one of those, it's worth a lot. Yeah, the when you made that comment, I knew you were gonna get cooked. Well, I was like, but it's a stupidest argument. What are you mad about? That I call him the second best freshman receiver in the country behind a freaking alien? I think that the way that it came out of your mouth, I knew what you meant. But I knew people would be like, well, he's
Starting point is 00:34:24 not anything near Jeremiah Smith. But like, I think it was the notion that it came out of your mouth. I knew what you meant, but I knew people would be like, well, he's not anything near Jeremiah Smith. But like, I think it was the notion that like, yes, nobody is. I know, but I think it was more the notion of like, yeah, Florida would be happy if he turned into Ryan Williams. It's like, yeah, no crap. And they would. Yeah, they would be thrilled.
Starting point is 00:34:37 They would be over the moon. Florida, are you saying Florida would not be happy if he had 900 receiving yards and averaged 20 yards to catch? Cause I think they would. The problem is, is that if he had 900 receiving yards and averaged 20 yards to catch? Because I think they would. The problem is, is that if he reaches Ryan Williams level of play next year, that that would be absolutely extraordinary. And the way that it came out of your mouth was like, that's like, yeah, that would be great if that happened.
Starting point is 00:34:57 It's like, yeah, that would be amazing. It's probably not going to happen, though, because not that many people do that. Like, I think that, like the expectation that he could do that is wrong. Right. And maybe he could, I don't know, but I understand and I understand what you were saying and I knew that you're not saying it in a nefarious Ryan Williams. You don't have to, I'm with you.
Starting point is 00:35:15 I'm saying stupid people got mad because they wanted to get mad about something. I just had a feeling that the way you said that that you were gonna get some flack for it. But you know, it's okay. If Dallas Wilson is Ryan Williams or Ryan Williams level production, that is a grand slam 600 foot home run. Like, Dallas Wilson would be worth a lot of money, just like Ryan Williams is worth a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:35:38 But I would pay Ryan Williams more than a million dollars, I would pay Jeremiah Absolutely. Two and a half hundred percent. But I think those players are rare. And just because you're productive, like Trevor Pena was productive and will be productive wherever he ends up next year. I believe he had more receiving yards than Ryan Williams, but if you're taking Ryan Williams. Production doesn't always equate to changing ability either. Like I think that Ryan Williams,
Starting point is 00:36:04 even if he didn't, because Ryan Williams' stats weren't as good as changing ability either. Like I think that Ryan Williams, even if he didn't, because Ryan Williams, the stats weren't as good as Jeremiah's either. But like Ryan Williams, I thought was like the B share version of like explosiveness, touchdown potential on any. Yeah, it was over 20 yards a catch. He's so good. It's crazy. And Andy thinks he's so good too.
Starting point is 00:36:22 I think he just misinterpreted what he was saying Yeah, all right. We have breaking news to talk about It's not the breaking news I thought we're gonna talk about because we do have to talk about the other breaking news later in the show where they have Passed through the rule that is supposed to curb faking injuries. We'll talk about that in a bit But this is this is big breaking news From ESPN Lee Corso will retire. From college game day in August, so week one of the season will
Starting point is 00:36:52 be Lee Corso's last show. 38 years covering college football for ESPN. Legendary help make college game day what it was. I it's it's crazy to think that that there's going to be a college football Saturday and it's going to be week two where Lee Corso does not put the head gear on. Yeah, you know the thing about this is and I actually made this point to you over text a few nights ago but like I am very much confused always about how much people care about the announcers of things. Because like it's just never been something that like really moved the needle for me in my personal opinion.
Starting point is 00:37:35 But like when you talk about Lee Corso, you're talking about an iconic figurehead that like is college football. Like when you think of college football, if you did a montage of what is college football, Lee Corso would be in that video. And I think that because college game day has been a fixture in many of our, our lifetimes fan hood, like most people watch college game day in the morning. Now I know that like people get upset about certain things or, you know, they hate Disney or whatever. There's reasons to stop watching. I think big news. Even if you didn't watch the rest of the show, you always tuned back in at the end to see what headgear you put on and how we did it. Lee Corso was. A part of that pregame feeling that you get those butterflies at 1030 AM
Starting point is 00:38:16 before the game started, like, I can't wait for this to go. The big noon game or when I say big noon game, I don't mean the big noon game. That's on the TV. I just mean like the exciting new game that's at noon and the buildup to the emotions of that Saturday, Lee Corso was a main fixture in that. And like, I feel like in life, you know, when you're young or when you're getting acquainted with something that it always feels like something is gonna be the same
Starting point is 00:38:41 and Lee Corso did it for so long that it always felt like it was gonna be the same. And it's just a harsh reality that nothing lasts forever. And even though I'm not a person who connects personally with sportscasters, Lee Corso, this like saddens me because it's, it's, it is a loss for the game. And I know that he lost his fastball the last few years and, you know, it's been tough after the stroke. It was tough. So it was probably time and it's, it's been tough after the stroke it was tough. So it was probably time and it's it's been hard watching this
Starting point is 00:39:09 Happen over the last few years, but like you said, it's it's such a part Because he started putting the head you're on I think my freshman year of college so that's Way more than half of my life. He's been doing this. Like my interactions with college football every Saturday is what headgear did Lee Corso put on? Like that's how my game day starts every Saturday. Who did he choose? The theatrics of throwing it and then picking up
Starting point is 00:39:39 the other one, like all those things. Like River just put in the chat and it's true for me too. It's like this guy was a fixture of my childhood. He was a fixture of the reason why I fell in love with the sport. College game day is the show that I have on in every room on Saturday mornings when I'm home watching games to get me ready. And it doesn't mean that I'm sitting there watching the whole thing for three hours like this. But
Starting point is 00:40:05 it's the noise of college football. It is the official. It's what you want to hear. You want to hear the fans cheering, you know, college game day has a very distinct noise for background noise, right? Yeah, course, those voice was that to me. So I know that people probably were really upset when Keith Jackson stopped calling games and there are certain people that have become synonymous with the sport. And I think that Lee Corso unequivocally is one of those figureheads. Well, so the last one, week one,
Starting point is 00:40:38 I'm assuming they're gonna be at the Texas-Ohio State game. So Brutus or Hook'em, which head do you think he's going to put on? What was wasn't Brutus the first one he did ever? It's a good question. I don't remember. I thought I thought it was but first I'm looking it up. You've you've am
Starting point is 00:40:59 Yeah, but wherever it was Brutus, it was yeah, and it was like the old Brutus that looks like the eyes were googly. It would be kind of a cool full circle moment if he chooses that again. But like that's an event like that people should cover. You know what I mean? Like that's like his last go of it. That is something special.
Starting point is 00:41:21 And you know, I'm always grateful and thankful for people who epitomize something. And the you know, I'm always grateful and thankful for people who, who, you know, epitomize something. And the thing that you have to say that I didn't say about Lee that I want to make sure I say is college football is a quirky game. College football is different. It's sports, it's big business. We talk a lot about NIL now, but it is a quirky game that has quirks and features that other games don't have. And Lee Corso's personality as a human being gelled very well with the amateur nature of the game in the sense that like the way that he acted just fit.
Starting point is 00:42:00 I don't know if that makes any sense to you, but that's how I feel. Oh yeah. Yeah, he was, he understood the game was fun. And it's interesting because he he had coached the game at a really high level. Like he'd been Indiana's head coach, for goodness sakes. Like so he he had seen it from every every portion of it. He'd been a player at Florida State and he brought
Starting point is 00:42:21 that level of whimsy to it that makes it different from the NFL that makes it special. Like he understood it inherently. And so I just was watching the original head year picks. It was October 5th, 1996. He was choosing Ohio State to beat Penn State. He put the Brutus head on. So this was like Orlando Pace playing for Ohio State. That was my freshman year of college. And I just, like, every time I was like, how is he gonna do it? Because he put on, like with Oklahoma,
Starting point is 00:42:56 he had the hat with the boomer sooner wagon on top of it, like the Sooner Schooner. I just, I always, every time he got a firearm to help out. It was an adventure. So I just I can't wait to see which one whether it's it's Brutus or hook them at last one I will cherish it and savor it. You know I think we've had the discussion because that was always one of our bar discussions are over the last probably five, six years of who replaces Lee Corso on college game. I think we already know the answer to that. Now it's Nick Saban. Like we didn't,
Starting point is 00:43:38 they don't have to bring somebody else in to play that role. They have Pat McAfee doing the wild stuff and he, you know, like he jumped in the river at Baylor and, and all that. So like that'll be Pat. Nick Saban's the ex coach now just with a little different vibe than Corso. I don't think that you even try to replace that person though. There are certain people that you don't replace in the sense of like, you don't want, I don't ever want to see anybody else put the head gear on again.
Starting point is 00:44:03 Like that's not who they are. Like that was, he was such an eccentric man and all that stuff, you know, um, is, uh, what made him special. Like nobody's going to be able to recreate that. So like, and if they attempt to, I think it's bad form. So I don't think they will. And also Nick Saban's awesome on the show. Like, I know.
Starting point is 00:44:23 So it's different. Like, when is Nick Saban gonna cuss? Is the new, what headgear is Lee Corso gonna put on? Because you know Nick Saban's gonna cuss at some point and somebody's gonna email the FCC complaining even though it's cable and you can't complain about that. But it's great. I love the Indiana Jones hats he wears.
Starting point is 00:44:49 Pat McAfee, I think, has been a pretty good addition to the show in terms of livening it up a little bit because you don't want it to be stuffy. College game day can't be stuffy. Just because you can't replace Lee Corso doesn't mean that you can't have a personality on the show that livens it up a little bit. Because it's not like that's the difference.
Starting point is 00:45:04 The vibe of Big Noon Kickoff, and I don't know some people prefer that show because it's more technical and they do the like, you know, the urban Meyer draws up plays and all that stuff. But like to me like the reason why college game day hit good for me is because college game day didn't like take itself too seriously college game day was as drunk as all of us were waiting for the games to start. And that to me is the charm of the show. And you know, just because you can't replace a person doesn't mean you can't keep the vibe the same. And I think Pat McAfee does a pretty good job of filling in that role. Well, I think they changed the vibe with McAfee because it had gotten a
Starting point is 00:45:39 little bit stale. The formula had gotten a little bit stale. And I realized McAfee is a very controversial figure and some people hate him and some people love him. I like him a lot. I love his show. Like I am the target audience for his show. So I think he brought a bolt of energy that the show needed. You just can't have four coaches or four people in suits talking about everything matter of factly. You need, what do you call me on the show? Like I'm like the off off kilter guy.
Starting point is 00:46:10 Like what do they call those people? The wild card. Yeah. Maybe I'm the wild card. I don't know. Um, but yeah, college football is quirky. The show was quirky. Lee Corso epitomizes quirky and I'm going to miss him a lot.
Starting point is 00:46:23 Yeah, I am too. And I will. Well, we might be there if if we're at Texas, Ohio State week one, we need to go over to the set and watch. Absolutely. We need to watch him down the head year for the last time. Absolutely. There's no question. I wonder if he'll talk to it. It'd be interesting to talk to him just to see the know, see the emotion of that. Cause he's gonna, he's probably going to show some emotion with that.
Starting point is 00:46:47 When you do something for 40 years, man, like that's who you are, you know? Uh, Oh yeah. I don't know. I don't even know like what, what you do after that. Um, and also too, what a wonderful way to live a life because is there any, uh, is there any better job? I mean, like, listen, when I was a kid, like there are people like, what would you want to do? Like being on college game day was the enemy of greatness in terms of like, well, covering college football. I interviewed for something in Bristol about 10 years ago,
Starting point is 00:47:17 and that's what I said to the people who are interviewing me is I want to be on that show. Now, clearly they didn't give me the job, but it's everybody wanted to be on college game day. It's, it's so much fun. Obviously we have friends who work on the show. It is that much fun. Yeah. But then when you also realize that they've got, you know, Nick Saban on the show now, it's like that's, it's kind of hard to compete to get on it. But like, uh, I don't think that's the role I would have been trying to get.
Starting point is 00:47:51 I mean, the people on the stage are all very famous now. Like there's no like, oh, here's some guy that covered college football for 10 years. You gotta be an icon before you get on there now. But maybe this show will become iconic and then 10 or 15 exactly Yeah, like who's gonna replace Andy and art like you're like in 40 years when you're like Alright, my last show is gonna be August 30th And we're trying to figure out who's gonna replace you and people are crying on other shows That is the day my contract kicks in. So thank you. Oh Did you get one of those new Naco steals? No, no, but that's when I that's the day. contract kicks in. So thank you. Oh, did you get one of those new NACO steals?
Starting point is 00:48:25 No, no, but that's when I, that's the day it's up. Oh, okay. All right. August 30th, 2047. Yeah, I hope so. I haven't gotten an extension yet, but we're working on it. Yeah, I mean, and so,
Starting point is 00:48:43 JM in the chat brings this up and this is, did you guys hear Fox tried to poach Rhys Davis? He's not leaving ESPN, that's true. Andrew Marchand reported that last week at the Athletic. Rhys Davis, very big part of that, because he seamlessly replaced Chris Fowler when Fowler moved to more play-by-play type stuff. So, they've done a good job as the show has evolved
Starting point is 00:49:09 because this is an old show. The first time they took it on the road, I want to say is 1993 for Notre Dame and Florida State in South Bend. So I'm bad at math Ari, but that's 32 years ago. They did a good job. Like you think about the people on the staff of that show, some people, the people who were running it
Starting point is 00:49:35 when it started are now retired and they're moving, they moved through multiple generations of it. So the fact that we're still tuning in. And it's still a critical part of our Saturday is a testament to. What they've been able to do, but a lot of that was. Herbie, the chemistry between Herbie and Lee Corso. So we'll see.
Starting point is 00:50:00 We'll see what the new generation does, but I am very much enjoying Nick Saban. On college game day. College game day, too, is like a if they come to your campus, that's like a a feather in your cap. People keep track of how many times this game day come or where they've been. Like the show has become synonymous with like a, you know. Hat tip to the place they're going because they what's a three hour advertisement for your university?
Starting point is 00:50:30 Like you can't buy that level of publicity. Although I do think it would be cool and I don't I think it's probably too late now to change the script from going to the most impactful game of the week to going to unique places. But it would be cool like if College Game Day was like, we're going to be at Montana State today. You do that. They've been to the I don't know if they've been to the Brawl of the Wild, but they've been to North Dakota State a few times.
Starting point is 00:50:52 They've they've been to a couple of different. They went to one of the three games. Yeah. At one point. So they're not. But the Brawl of the Wild will be a good one. I'm all for that. So. We'll see. But congratulations on an incredible
Starting point is 00:51:09 career. Lee Corso, for all of us who've watched over the years and we can't wait to see you put the head on one more time. Ari, other piece of breaking news, the prop committee, which is the the committee that rubber stamps the things that the football oversight committee does, the playing rules, something, something panel. They have rubber stamped the rule change that they hope will curb the faking of injuries to slow down opposing offenses. So, here's the way the new rule works.
Starting point is 00:51:49 If medical personnel have to come out on the field to tend to a player after the ball is spotted. The team that player plays for we charge a timeout. If that team has no timeouts, the team will be assessed a five yard penalty. Do you think this will work? I think that it will help. I don't know if it will end it. What do you think?
Starting point is 00:52:21 I don't think it'll end it. I do think that the coaches that teach it are just gonna say, got to do it faster and if and keep an eye on the umpire and the the field judge, not the field judge, the center judge to see have they spotted the ball yet. And don't do it if they spotted the ball. But I but I think the fact that the matter is like when those offenses that go fast are going fast, like the ball carriers, the receivers and the running backs and the quarterbacks are trained to find the person spotting the ball, they're trained to flip the ball right to them. So the ball is going to get spotted fast. And once that ball is down, you can't do it. So and remember, a lot of the fake injuries were signals coming in from the sideline.
Starting point is 00:53:07 So if you've got to get that signal in from the sideline before the ball gets spotted, I do think it's going to be harder for them to pull it off. I think the timeout thing is good. I wonder if you have no timeouts, if you could do a time penalty, not a yardage penalty, because a lot of times when this is happening, aren't you trying to stall the clock or to put yourself in a position to get the ball back? Or are you doing that? You might be, but what if you're in the lead? Then that's an unfair advantage.
Starting point is 00:53:38 A runoff penalty doesn't help the other team. So you need to be able to help the other team and penalize the team that's doing the wrong thing. So I think this is the best compromise they could have come up with. I think that's the thing. There's no easy way to do this because the problem is you can't accuse someone of faking an injury in the moment because what if they're really hurt?
Starting point is 00:54:03 Yeah. And then a lot of people have said, okay, you can't come in the rest of the drive. Well, who's going to enforce that? Like, are you going to make a penalty box? Like, the only way you could actually do that is to either say they have to stay in the injury tent, or you make like a lacrosse style penalty box.
Starting point is 00:54:20 I don't know if you've ever seen a lacrosse game, but they have a penalty box right in front of their version of the scorers table. And if somebody is penalized they do you know, like it's like hockey where you're out for two minutes and you can come back in And the team plays short-handed and they have to sit right there They've you know take a knee right there so everybody can see them and then they're not playing the injury Leading to you not playing for the rest of the drive, in theory, sounds good, but what if somebody really important to you just tweaks their ankle for a second? It would be unfortunate if somebody actually got injured because you need...
Starting point is 00:54:54 Well, and that's the other piece of it. That's what the coaches on the oversight committee were worried about because if that was the penalty or if you had to come out for the rest of the drive, you'd have people who were actually hurt, not seeking medical attention because they'd want to stay in for the rest of the drive. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, I hate it. I think that it's a step in the right direction and I can't wait to see how it helps curb
Starting point is 00:55:23 it. I can't wait because I was watching when the Oversight Committee approved this thing, I went back and watched some of the more egregious clips of fake injuries. There's a great one from a Sun Belt game a few years ago and I'm not going to say which teams because I'll get them mixed up and I don't want to blame the wrong team. But coach signals in from the sidelines to fake the injury. Two players see it, both players go down immediately like they've been sniper shot. And one of them realizes, oh wait, the other guy went down so he pops up immediately.
Starting point is 00:55:58 And so the player from the other team starts pointing at him and going, he was faking and then pointing at the other and he's faking too. And the one who popped up tries to fight the player from the other team. It's so stupid. It's so stupid. People who make injuries do such a bad job of like trying to dramatize it too. It's just like, of course, when you actually get hurt, it's subtle and people don't notice until they see you on the ground. You don't have to like fall to the floor like dramatically
Starting point is 00:56:28 like you're storming Normandy Beach. Like, you know, just fall to the ground. Yeah. Well, I will be curious to see how effective this is from hearing from the people on the Oversight Committee when they approve this rule initially a couple of months ago. Here's the deal. If someone is obviously hurt and the training staff runs out
Starting point is 00:56:51 or the official notices that someone is obviously hurt and calls out the training staff, that does not cost your team. So if you have a player who's trying to make a go of it, but clearly is struggling, the officials will stop play and they will not charge you a timeout for that. Yeah. So, we'll see what happens.
Starting point is 00:57:13 It's a good situation and I think it's a step in the right direction. Yeah. And so, and I guarantee you somebody's going to complain, but this is this is college football, so. Everybody's looking for an edge. I guarantee this the reaction to this around some of the football buildings in the country is not all right, we're going to stop faking injuries. It's we got to figure out how to signal this in faster so we can do it before the ball gets spotted. Just do it more cleanly. Be better actors is
Starting point is 00:57:52 what we're trying to say because it even like that in soccer too like soccer fake injuries are so ridiculous looking. Oh my god. Don't ask me why we're watching a soccer game. It was a Chelsea, I believe it was Chelsea and Tottenham OZPA the other day and not Chelsea, Liverpool and this guy goes down like he has
Starting point is 00:58:16 dislocated his ankle like someone has sawed off his foot. He is rolling around riding on the ground. And you look at the replay, you're like, I don't even think his ankle was affected by that play. And then not 30 seconds later when the situation has all been resolved and the you know, there were I don't think there was a card handed out in the play, but they figured out possession and who got the ball. He pops right back up and he's ready to run.
Starting point is 00:58:50 LeBron does it too. I mean, Paul Pierce had to be taken out of a wheelchair. I mean, if his face gets grazed by someone's hand, he goes like, he does this, this thing, and then goes down to the like it's it's kind of the point that Lebron's done that his whole career. His whole career. Now, Lebron gets
Starting point is 00:59:17 karate chopped when he drives a lot of times. So, yeah, I'm not saying he doesn't take a beating. I'm saying he flops. Oh, he definitely does. There's no question about it and And as he's gotten older, he's gotten away, he's gotten better at it. But it's always the best because like as a player, you have to know that the re days and the cameras there's the
Starting point is 00:59:34 angles are so good that like sometimes if like an elbow grazes your channel comes near your face and then you do this thing that like everybody can see that you weren't even touched. Like right or if you're, if you're an NBA defender and you know you're about to run into a screen, the ones who act like they have run into a brick wall as opposed to like a little skinny, 6, 10, 190 pound dude. So yeah, it's always, it's like, come on. I do have one more request of the coaching staffs who encourage their players to fake
Starting point is 01:00:09 injuries. There's one more. Stop having your best player do it. It's stupid because he has to come out for a play. I realize why you're doing it because he's the only one you trust to pull it off. He might be the smartest player on your on your defense, but don't do that. You're better off having your best player in the game.
Starting point is 01:00:29 So just stop. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you on that one too. Ari. We have a very exciting show tomorrow. Dear Andy dear Ari, you know how to find us. At any underscore staples at Ari Wasserman on social media. Andy staples on three at gmail.com Ari dot Wasserman at on three.com.
Starting point is 01:00:55 We got your questions answered tomorrow. We also also somebody has slipped us a copy Also, somebody has slipped us a copy of Producer Rivers' senior year huddle highlights. And boy, howdy, if you've never watched 125 pound slot receiver do work in East Tennessee high school football, we're going to break it down like Brian Baldinger tomorrow. Also, Lewis in the chat says, don't fake accents, Andy. It's as bad as the plopping. Now I'll talk about living in a pool all I want. You sound Irish. Andy, my wife- I know.
Starting point is 01:01:34 I need to sound like a Beatle. They're from Liverpool. So I need to do, I need to, it's gotta sound like Ringo. My wife's hidden talent is impressions. Like she can impersonate people, but she never does it. Like it's not like something that she's proud of or that she like even realizes. And every now and then she'll do an impression
Starting point is 01:01:54 like just while entertaining our daughter. And I'm like, holy crap, that sounds identical to the person like Anne, like she'll impersonate like people in Disney movies and stuff to like help like entertain our daughter and it's like spot on. I really think if she leaned into it, she could be somebody who does voices. I'm very now I'm intrigued. I want to hear your wife's mouth. I'm impressed. She does a good missed out fire. She's pretty and she but she's really good.
Starting point is 01:02:18 You've been to the fire. That's that's smite, not Smith, my dear. I like was the fullback? We we we're not going to get into that movie. That that movie doesn't hold up. I got to tell you, the most underappreciated movie of all time. This is Doubtfire. It does not get enough credit for being what it is.
Starting point is 01:02:43 Like that is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Funnier than Dumb and Dumber? No, but Dumb and Dumber gets its due. Dumb and Dumber is like viewed as the most iconic comedy in the history of comedy films, isn't it? I think Mrs. Doubtfire was viewed as a pretty, I mean it was a massively successful comedy at the time. Robin Williams was as hot as he's ever been. So I think it, I think it holds up great. I love it's a great comedy at the time. Robin Williams was as hot as he's ever been. So I think it holds up great. I love it. If you say so.
Starting point is 01:03:12 All right, tomorrow, all of the problems with this. No, I'm kidding. Tomorrow, your questions. We got a great one from Willie. I know we're answering that one. But the class of 2023 quarterbacks that includes, yeah, you guessed it. Nico Iamaliaba, maybe we'll know where he's going by then. Maybe this UCLA thing will get done.
Starting point is 01:03:33 Or maybe not. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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