Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - Big Gigantic's Dom & Jeremy on 17 Years, Rowdy Town & Million $ Shows

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

Dominic Lalli and Jeremy Salken of Big Gigantic join Andy and Nick to discuss the realities of maintaining an electronic duo for 17 years, from creative processes to tour economics. Topics Discussed: The "Mamba Mentality" approach to consistent music creation and band longevity How Dom balances family life with intensive music production schedules The true costs and challenges of touring in 2025's changed music landscape Building Rowdy Town into Red Rocks' premier electronic music festival The pressure and expense of maintaining cutting-edge visual production Finding and developing collaborations like their work with Ash (Ashnikko) Partnership dynamics and trust in a two-person creative and business relationship   We're psyched to partner up with Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message [phone]  Check out our new album Growing Pains on all platforms 5/23/25!! Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For all things Frasco, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our sponsor, Gardenista: https://drinkgardenista.com/  

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How's our heads? How's our minds? Are we staying out of trouble? Are we staying hot? What did Alan Jackson say? I mean, he wasn't lying when he said, um, it's hotter than a hoochie coochie out here because it is fucking hot, man. We finally got a heat wave.

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one of my closest friends in the whole world, Jeremy Salkin and his bandmate Dom, Dominic Lolley, just put out a new record and we want to promote it because that's what we do. We're a family in this music industry and when people put out records that we love and we cherish and we wanna give them that frasco World

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You're gonna love it. We got a lot of new guys. Andrew Cooney's in our band now. I wanna hear his partake on how he likes it. We have Richie who fills in with Floyd. He's with us right now. I want to see what he thinks of it. Trevor, our merch guy.

I mean, there's a lot of people that are new into the band. And the West Coast tours are kind of weird for us because we're not that popular. So one night we'll play for like 5,000 people, 7,000 people at these big old concert series. And then the second hour in Cheyenne, there's 120 people. So it's like a very humbling thing, but that's the part of the road.

You know, you can't have, you know, it's like, it's the growing pains. This is why I wrote that record. It's not, we're not like super big rock stars yet. I'm gonna say yet because we gotta, I'm putting that into our intuition. You gotta put it, fruition, baby. You gotta believe in the putting that into our intuition. You gotta put fruition, baby. You gotta believe in the shit that you're doing.

So, but you know, I have to go back to the West Coast. I've spent so much energy on the Northeast and the Midwest, I kind of forget my brothers and sisters out on the West Coast. So, I am here to tell you that next year, I am gonna be full on dedicated to get my ass to the West Coast. So we could build that too, you know?

I'm here for everybody, not just the Northeast and the South and the Midwest. I wanna be there for the West Coast people who need me too. So, and this band. All right, guys. So yeah, so it's been humbling to see like, going from five to 7,000 people shows, like, whoa! And you walk into this 200 cap room at the main gym.

So I'm like, okay, cool. Okay. Your shit don't stink as much. Your shit stinks a little more than you thought. It's good, you know, but gotta stay humble. All right guys, I love you. Big Gigantic, new record. I'm really proud of the guys.

They got a little stranger on it. They got a bunch of cool collabs. And you know, it's Jeremy Sulk, one of my best friends. So I'm here to support anything he does. Enjoy the Big G interview and I will catch you next week with the band. And then Nick's gonna do a solo. Yeah, we got a whole bunch of podcasts. Shout out to everyone who listened to the Nick and Andy episode. We got on the charts again. So thank you. I know you like those Nick and Andy episodes. And, you know, thank you to Nick.

He's having some personal issues right now and I just want to send love my way to him. All right, guys, love you and I'll talk to you soon. Bye. Wow. I have a personal relationship with both of you. I get to have this relationship together. And this is nice.

Big Gigantic, how you doing? Hey good, how you doing? What up? What's, all right, what's something that pisses you off about both of you guys? Wow, this is going right in. Jeremy, you go first. Jeremy, you go first.

Ah, Jesus Christ. How we doing boys, new record, feeling good? Yeah, feeling good, feeling good, it's an exciting week. What is the recipe to keep a band together for this long? What are you doing boys? New record. Feel good? Yeah, feeling good. Yeah. Feeling good. It's an exciting week. What is the recipe to keep a band together for this long? Good question. Just, you know, it's, you know,

like I was mentioning in this, how's this book Mamba Mentality? You know, it's like that kind of, I think it's that kind of a thing. I mean, it's a lot of things, but it just takes, it's constant grinding. You do it. It's just staying in it, working hard.

It's trust in the process, all that kind of stuff. It applies to probably lots of things in life. But that's one big part of it is just being in there every day, working on it every day, we're trying to get better, putting in the time, and just not worrying about how are we gonna stay relevant, but just like, let me just keep at it. How many records have you guys done together now?

I think it's eight. Yeah. I think this is eight. There. I think this is eight. There's a good amount, yeah. Eight records. It's kinda crazy. That's fucking insane. Cause I remember in the younger years,

you're help running the budgets, you're help getting this thing popping off while you're working on the music and stuff. Yeah, just teach me a little bit about how you're managing the band a little bit. Who runs point? It's like the same thing, Kobe. I think of my band as a point guard.

I run the budget, I make sure Sean runs all the little segments inside the songs. Yeah, I would say if you're talking big, big, big know. Yeah, I would say like, you know, if you're talking big, big, big picture of everything, you know, yeah, I mean, we have kind of the same team. I mean, we've just been doing it for a long time, right? So it's like, what, 20 years now or something like that? 17. 17.

Almost 20. 20 fucking years, dude. 17, 2008, so whatever that equals. You know, and the first, maybe the first year wasn't with Ben, but we've had, you know, the same sort of like, you know, and the first, maybe the first year wasn't with that, wasn't with Ben, but we've had, you know, the same sort of like, you know, guts of the team the whole time. So, so that helps in terms of running the whole thing, like, you know, and Jeremy knows what he's doing, and I know what I'm doing, and Ben knows what he's doing. Now we have another manager because we lost our day to day. So now we have a second manager. So they kind of integrated, but they're like a real management company, red light. So it's like they have a whole thing.

So I guess we've just understood what needs to happen to make it happen. You know what I mean? Like you need this, you gotta have this, you gotta have this. And then there's, and now nine months ago is like, okay, now we need new music because this thing isn't just gonna keep churning itself.

So then I have to get back in the lab, take all the demos, figure out what we're gonna, figure out what the next iteration's gonna be, and then it's like executed. And then we just kinda keep doing that process. At the same time, you can't just, as you know, it's not a, this is the process, X, Y, Z, and then you do it every time.

All the variables change the whole time. So you have to, you know, the scene's changing, the fans are changing, this is changing, that, that, it's not like this anymore. Touring's not like it was 10 years ago. All the things, so how do we now retool? Okay, we know X needs to happen, but now X looks like this.

It doesn't look like that anymore. So now how are we gonna reinvent X? Okay, now here's Y. Same thing. How are we gonna reinvent Y, Z? Same. You know, where it goes with everything. So, you know, you just,

you gotta be in for it and wanna do it, you know, and then do it. People don't realize how much it takes to keep a band relevant. And then you don't realize we gotta keep our personal relationship relevant, right? Because we're thinking about everything else and we forget, like, oh yeah, we're humans, you know?

Right, right, yeah. Yeah, and I have a family, you know, I have a kid, I have a wife, you know, I'm trying to be a good husband, a good father, and all those things involved in it all. So my you know, a kid, I have a wife, you know, I'm trying to be a good husband, a good father, and all those things involved in it all. So my question is, how do you fucking have time for all this, boys? Well, yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't.

I don't know. I don't have, I don't have, you know, I have no, I have like my family, and then I make music, and do big G stuff. Right, yeah, I was gonna ask that, like. I don't do it, I don't have, like, I don't go out, or I don't like, I don't have friends or anything. Yeah, like did having a kid in some way

give you more time to work on music? Cause you're like, have to be home where your studio is? No. No, I'm just wondering. No. I've always wondered about that. But the time that I do have, which is all the other time that I'm not hanging out

with my family and my kid, is like, you know, there's no bullshit anymore with your time. Right, right, right. It's just all, it's like, I am like a laser all the time. Yeah, well like. Purpose. That's the exact thing.

It's like, instead of like waiting for the vessel to fucking happen when you're making music, it's like, I have to have this vessel open right now because this kid needs to take a shit in an hour. You know? So how do you like, how do you? Time management. Time management.

Dom's always been good with time management. But it's like, it's the pro shit. It's the Kobe thing. Turn on and you know your craft and you turn on. It's like, I watched Jeremy for years making budgets and fucking working on it. He taught me points. I am a point guru now.

We will talk about that. I got you health insurance, dude. You got me health insurance? Health insurance. I mean, like, you need every side of the partnership, right? Yeah. For the music, for the business side. My question is, like, how do you know when it's a good song?

When you're, like, forced to be open the vessel every day, you know? Yeah, I think, same with you, you know, you know, it's all gut, you know? And even when you're like, I think this is the greatest song I've ever written, and then, you know, it's all gut. You know, and even when you're like, I think this is the greatest song I've ever written. And then, you know, it's part of the ups and downs of being the writer, the songwriter,

and putting yourself out there. It's like, you think, you're like, this is the one. And then it like flops, you know? And you're like, okay, wow, well, I thought it was the one. You know, it sucks. It just is, you know, it just is what it is. But that's why, you know, Kobe thing again, where you just show up every day,

you go to the gym every day, you get there early, you stay late, you do all those things. And then, and then like when it all happens, you don't, you just, okay, like, yeah, it kind of sucks because you thought I was going to be the one or whatever, but you, you're not, because you're not too fazed by it. I mean, obviously you're human, so you get a little fazed by whatever, but you're not, because you're not two-phased by it. I mean, obviously you're human, so you get a little phased by it,

but you're just in the gym again the next day. So it's like, so it's just, it's all part of the process. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's so fascinating, because you know more about production than I do, Nick. I'm- You're more of a writer. I'm more of a writer.

I can see the bones of it. When you guys are writing and like you're making an album, what are like the first things you think about? Beat, melody, like what, give me the in and out process of how Big G writes a song. Always different. Yeah. Always different. Yeah, because sometimes it's,

sometimes I get like a demo and I'm like, ooh, I love the vocals and I just take the vocals. And then I'm like, I don't know. And then I start, right? And then I hear what the chords are and I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna use those chords. So like, how can I rewrite, two, two, five, one in a different way or whatever.

And so there's that. Then sometimes I'm inspired by another song, so I'm like, I love the drums on this, so I try to make some drums. And then after listening and listening, I'm like, oh, here's some chords, stuff like that. When do you start bringing Jeremy into the process? After the song's over?

Yeah, I go, there's some video, I'll make a video for you. Yeah. Wanna sign to book hotels? Yeah. When it's time for planning the tour. Yeah, yeah. No, Dom writes the music,

that's been the process. Pretty wild. Yeah. That's so crazy, there's a lot of pressure. He's got the spirit, dude. He's got the spirit within him. Having to find rules is an advantage though. What?

Like this guy does this, like there's no cloudiness. I think it helped us out a lot, especially in the beginning, cause like dude, how many bands do you know where like there's multiple people doing the same thing, they're fighting over it and they just end up like exploding because they're like, but I wanna do this. And early on I was like, this dude is like,

he's channeling this shit from somewhere. Who am I to be like, yeah, but I wanna say this and whatever. And I'm like, roll with it. And I think about other bands where, whether it's The Who or Phish or whatever, Trey wrote 90 something percent of the song. And with The Who, it was all like Pete Townsend.

And if somebody's got that within them, your job as a bandmate, I think, in a lot of ways is to set them up for success and be like, yeah, run with it because, especially when we were doing it on our own, there's like a hundred other freaking things that need to get done for us to do whatever. And it's like, why stifle him?

Because my ego is like, yeah, but I need to freaking, I need to write a drum us to do whatever. And it's like why stifle him? Because my ego is like, yeah, but I need to fricking, I need to write a drum beat that's whatever. His drum beats are dope. I'm happy to play them any day. I love them. The songs are good. Like I said, if he's got the spirit within him, let it happen.

This is why you're one of my best friends. Only one guy can drive. This is why you are one of my best friends. Because you understand talent and what needs to happen. This is what I've always respected out of you. I'm tired, I'm just always figuring things out. No, but I've always respected that about you, Jeremy. No, for real, like you taught me how to fucking clean my house

when I had nothing. What? I didn't know how to fuck. We went to Costco for the first time. You're always cleaning. I mean, I. He taught me how to clean. Damn.

I moved here during, this is the best story for Jeremy. I was Jeremy's roommate too, so he also taught me how to clean. No, I'm with the clapboard. Dom was already a cleaner. We were both very clean roommates. I'd be Dom's roommate. Actually, you got an empty room right now.

I'm just kidding. You can beat Nico for a minute. We rolled into Costco right when COVID happened. And I'm like, he's like, I just bought my house right before COVID. I was like courting Jeremy to be my friend because I was. Courting.

I really did, I felt. This is pretty girl lock. That's so funny. This is pretty girl lock. I've always wanted Jeremy to be my friend because I just love his aura and he's just a smart dude and I get what you see in his brilliance

and I'm a new friend to you, but I've known him forever and I just see, and then I'm starting to learn about the band business and stuff. He doesn't tell me anything like that, but just how you guys work, some Pactico. But he taught me how to fucking clean. And I put two gloves on, we went to Costco

and didn't realize how much he loves Costco. Yeah. Oh yeah. And just taught me how to, I don't know. I think he taught me how to be a better friend. Because he taught me to be accountable to making an effort to do things. For that, I thank you. I know this is a gush of push.

Wow, thanks dude. But. Love you buddy. Love you buddy. I love you buddy. Yeah, seriously. And like you're very smart dude. You're always cleaning now though.

But like you guys are like a tag team because like his brilliance runs one way and your fucking brilliance runs a different way and together, it's pretty unstoppable. Yeah. So my question is, what does Ben Brolin do? I feel like if you had two at the same. I mean, dude, he's the third part of the triangle.

Like it literally brings us together in a lot of ways and has always done that. I know, you guys are such a good team, partnership together, and it's been like that for years. Yeah, yeah, and we have like, you know, second manager too, so they're kind of both. Brandon's amazing too. And they work hard, you know, through the,

they work super hard and they do a lot, and even through the, you know, through my music process, you know, they're a very integral part, collaborations, just all kinds of random shit that they do. But it's important to have them as involved as they are and they do a great job. And all the way through the music stuff that I'm doing, all the way obviously through the touring

and just things we don't even think about that they're just really on top of. I wanna- Some other parts. I wanna talk about your brain a little more Dom, cause I never get time with you. Sure. I get time with you.

Give me a couple more minutes with Dom before I talk to you about you. Absolutely, okay. Human spreadsheet. Sit over here. Yeah, the human spreadsheet. The human spreadsheet. Dude, that is,

that should be your Instagram. He's literally the human spreadsheet. That's a compliment. I'm gonna steal my friend's line, I'm a beast in the sheet. Dude, that is, that should be your Instagram. That's a compliment. I'm gonna steal my friends line, I'm a beast in the sheet. I'm a beast in the sheet. The spreadsheet. Not that way though, unfortunately.

Wow. So Dom, so when you're writing music, when does your brain click that this rapper, this singer, this collab happens? Is it happened right away or does it happen kinda in the process of creativity? Mostly in the process. Yeah, I'd say mostly in the process.

It's such a weird, I don't know how to explain it. It's just like an always on thing where it's like, I'm working on stuff and I'm just thinking about the whole thing as a, as a, you know, as how, how am I going to take this thing to the next level? And, and, um, if it's a singer, yeah, you know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking like, I love this person's voice or I want to, I want to collab with this person because, or whatever,

or I have these lyrics and the melody and who's going to sing it or, you know. Um, so it or, you know. So, it's just always evolving. I don't know, it's always a evolving kind of a thing and just always trying to keep my finger on the pulse with the whole project. Because one of the fucking collabs who's fucking huge now is Ash.

Yeah, yeah. Dude, now she's with Finnegan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, crazy. Dude, where did you with Finnegan. Yeah, yeah. Oh, crazy. Dude, where did you find her? How was that problem? Well, she was like, and this was a while ago, too. We worked on that song in 18 maybe, 19, 18, something like that.

But she was kind of a little bit more in the electronic scene when she first came in and she was doing some songs with like that guy Max, and he was part of a group called Party Pupils. So they were doing some stuff. Weethan, another electronic producer, Louis the Child. So they were all kind of doing some stuff. And then that's how I kind of got linked up with her. And she was just a super sweetheart.

Met her one day, she came in the studio and this was all, was it all in the same? No, it was a different record. But she came in the studio, we hit it off and she just a great person and is super easy to work with. So made that song with her. She came out and did that. If she did Red Rocks with us with that song

and did a couple other things, she did Coachella with us one time. And then yeah, just kind of her whole thing took off. Did you knew she was going to be a star like that? Knew she had the potential, you know, but then it just kind of popped. So she's special. I'm so happy. We're so stoked for her and see where she's gone. I mean, her career was like blew up and now the thing with Finnegan with Finneas.

I saw that, I was like, oh, this is like, this is like straight. They've been buddies for a while, but yeah, that's like, it's just cool man, she's a G, she's really, and so sweet. All right, another question while I have the goat here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The goat. You were one of the goats, Dom, you know that, right?

No, man. I'm the goat. He praises you, he praises your production. Don't tell him to his face that I think he's good. You are one of the goats, Dom, you're a production goat. Just trying. He's a G. He's a saxophone goat, you're not even talking about how good of a saxophone he is.

Oh, we'll talk about that in a second, because I saw a video, you rocking on pretty lights, at fucking Red Rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna talk about that process, too. That was a big moment. cuz they we've already had you guys on so they know the backstory. Yeah Yeah, I want to talk about the relationship. I want to talk about the brother. Yeah Do you can't do you can't? What how

Visualizing is the show when you're writing music because I feel like the show itself is Or is that after? A little bit, a little bit. I mean, definitely song first. It creeps into my mind, but definitely song first. Because what you can do, especially in our world, is you can make the song and then you can make an edit, or a mashup, or whatever.

So it doesn't have to be like, this song needs to be a banger for Red Rocks. You know, it can be like, I can make the song and then I can figure out afterwards. I'm gonna kill that guy. I know. My guy, dude. That guy's gonna be gone here.

Let me go down there. I'll flash straight. I can smell it too. I'm calling him, I'm calling him. Keep going. Yeah, it's like, I can write the song and then figure out later how to make it transfer to, you know, the bigger stage or whatever.

There's a, one, maybe one, maybe two songs on the album that are a little more chill, that all like, all edit a little bit to make something a little bit bigger. Yeah, like the new record, I go to his house and I see him working on visuals sometimes. I see him talking to the visual guy and like kind of how you're throwing the ball to those guys. It's so fascinating how important that is for the live show for you guys. Like you guys kind of shot yourself in the foot

doing this fucking 3D bullshit. You know? Like what the fuck? Totally, totally fucking did. Like how do you like, how do you even like go to the next level? You're gonna have to go to space, dude. I mean, dude, we're gonna have to go to space.

We did it from the beginning because our first Red Rocks, we did projection mapping on the fucking Red, on the rocks. Oh yeah, that's right. And then that's like crazy. And then we went to 3D even and people are like, I don't know, man. I was there for projection mapping on the rocks. This is like, we kind of fucked ourselves

from the beginning, but in a good way. In is like, we kind of fucked ourselves from the beginning. But in a good way. In a good way. Lots of fire. Is that rowdy town thing a lot of pressure? Like is that stressful? Like. No.

No? Not really. It's a fun, I feel like it's a fun stress. I'm worried about a summer camp thing. We look forward to it. Like 3D fucking mapping. You need your own thing. You really need like a Dollywood,

like a Frasco Wood or whatever. Don't say that. No, I don't need another job. You could just turn this house into that. Like start small. No, let's talk about Rowdy Town. More people can know where he lives. Rowdy Town, September 27th.

But why did you pick Denver? Why did you start? Tell me like the process of Rowdy Town, September 27th. But why did you pick Denver? Why did you start? Tell me the process of Rowdy Town. Like how, why you wanted to make this extravagant thing in Denver? Cause you guys lived here. Give us the whole thing of how it started. Yeah, I mean mostly, I mean this was,

Colorado was our home, we started in Boulder, grew there, obviously you wanna play Red Rocks or hope that you can get to the point where you can. So it was always like, that was the dream at the time, was like, how can we get to play Red Rocks? And then we didn't want it just to be like, oh, we do it one time. We wanted to turn it into like an event, something special.

And just naming it was like a whole process. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, just trying to, yeah, what do we call it? Big G Fest, like what the hell, what do we, name it after a song or whatever. And at the time, the word rowdy in general was like used in our vernacular daily in the whole, in our whole organization, you know, Baruch, us, everything was rowdy.

Yeah, we're gonna get rowdy tonight. You're gonna get, like, that was just part of it. And then, yeah, Kirk Peterson, who is now with Shappie, like, at Brooklyn Bowl and stuff. KP used to work with Ben at the Boulder Theater. And Kurt was like, why don't we take it to rowdy town? Like, that's what, and then when we were, I mean, yeah, like, literally, cause we would say we're we take it to Rowdy Town? Like that's what, and then when we were, I mean, yeah, like literally,

cause we would say we're gonna take it to Rowdy Town for like, we're going out Friday night. Like we're taking it to Rowdy Town. And then we had all these ideas and that was like, absolutely, this makes the most sense. So it, that's when Rowdy Town was born, I guess, but. Then you think about it, you're like, damn, this thing's taken off

How can I spend as much money as I can? Oh, yeah, we're any money. I mean Don every year would be like dude. You got a ditch to projectors like you're just blown cuz it was at the time That was a lot of money I would love to go back to only spend what we spent in 2012 on a show, right? It would be incredible. But yeah, we were like, oh, we could just. But we've always, you know, it's always like, how do we do something unique and do something different? And that's always come to spending millions of dollars

on other shit. Does it cost that much money? Well, over a year. Not per show, like over. Everything that we spend over time. Over the years, yeah. Do you ever like look at that budget, like say like a whole touring, like you're about to go on tour again. everything that we've spent over time. Yeah, over the years. Right. Yeah. Do you ever like look at that budget,

like say like a whole touring, like you're about to go on tour again. Right. So like when you're like figuring out the budget through this weird time in the music industry, like how do you budget out a fucking big G show in a 2025 era of touring? Yeah man, it's way harder. It used to be for sure. If you just don't make any money, you go, oh, we're not gonna make any money. Yeah man, it's way harder.

It used to be for sure. You just don't make any money, you go, oh, we're not gonna make any money. Yeah. You kind of like, you tweak the formula, like Dom was saying, you're like, this is the new X, and we gotta, we're trying to do things smarter, you know, that make sense for us,

and not be on a bus for four weeks straight, playing five, we used to play six, seven shows a week. It's crazy. We were going, I know, and it was fun back then, but like, you know, we used to play six, seven shows a week. Like we were going, and it was fun back then, but like we're freaking, we've been doing it a while. It's like you can't, it's not sustainable. And now everything's so much more expensive to do, so you can't, yeah, we're in our late 30s, dude.

Thanks. I thought late 20s, no, that looked great. But anyway, you gotta retweet, you gotta tweak the formula. Well, the problem is no one's going to shows Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday'd look great. But anyway, you gotta tweak the formula. Well the problem is, no one's going to shows Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday anymore. Nope. So like, how are we supposed to keep an industry going

when we can't play on Tuesdays? So that means you're flying in. That means you have 20 fucking flights all weekend. It's crazy, tell me about it. Like how much do you spend on flights? I know you know. A lot, a lot. Just say it.

Well, when we have the United Corporate Account. I know. He's the last. He's been trying to get the United Corporate Account. But yeah, dude, I don't know what you're doing. Like you seriously, you would get freaking global services like right away, which is huge. Anyway, it's a lot.

It's crazy, but you know, if you plan right and you kind of, there's like ways to figure out, okay, if we fly into here, we can rent a thing and go here, and that saves thousands of dollars each time, and then it adds up, and you're like, oh, we did make some money. People don't realize how big a production your fucking show is.

Yeah, yeah. And like, you guys put so much intention into the fucking show. It's crazy, dude. Yeah. I'm out there just like, just put so much intention into the fucking show. It's crazy, dude. I'm out there just like, just put a couple lights up. I'm so cheap with the fucking production. You put intention into what happens during the show. But so are they.

You're in a different, it's our world. Have you ever tried to say, tell your fans, fuck y'all. We're just doing just music. We, no, we. That's too acoustic. We used to joke about like rowdy time. We're like, we spent so much on projectors. This was a long time ago that we could just blow, you know, 20 grand a night through confetti blasters

into the crowd and we'd save money. Do you guys want projection mapping or you want fucking $1 bills shot out of a confetti can into your face? Because if you just want that, we might as well because you're gonna get, it's, that's how much money. That'd save money.

So what about like, where we do flashlights, bring your own flashlight, that's the light show, you are the light show. You could just buy them flashlights probably. That's true. So, okay, so what's your philosophy? Sorry I'm talking insight. No, no, no, it's great shit.

It's fun, man. What is your philosophy when you go into a festival show versus production where you're in control? So what's your, like, how do you? Production-wise or music-wise? Yeah, production-wise and music-wise. Like, what's your brain going festival versus like a headline Big G tour?

It's just usually shorter set, so you just have to cram some, cram more stuff in there, kind of. So you're building the set, just kind of cramming it in? Yeah. Musically. Yeah, musically. Then what about like projections and like? Well, usually you get more stuff at the festival,

so it's great, so you get a good core. Yeah, they have like the built in. Like the stage might be more built out, but you know. And you'll have a video wall behind you and stuff. Years ago, we used to bring our like pods, when we had the pods back in the day, we would like send the production out so that we could have like this special experience there, have a video wall behind you and stuff. Years ago we used to bring our pods when we had the pods back in the day. We would send the production out

so that we could have this special experience there. Camp Bisco, I think we did that. Camp Bisco? Yeah, we played Bisco back in the day a couple times. I love that picture of you guys playing on the milk cartons at fucking summer camp. Dude, on that easy the like easy up. It's an easy up tent.

I was there. And then look at like, you should just go back to that. It's the milk carton tour. During, it's that, it's the economy. It was on like the summer camp round catering table that they had, we had like drag. It was like move, like I'd play keyboards and it'd be like bouncing and I'm like,

this isn't fucking working. A young Nick, we're the same age. Yeah, I wasn't that young. I was drunk though. He was 27. He would have been like 33 or something like that. 30. Anyway.

That was a good one. I was like, what the fuck is this? That was classic. When we rolled up, we called Ben to be like, bro, we have 500 bucks and we're playing on it. Literally easy up. it was a vibe though But it was it was incredible. Oh, yeah, the set was like Let like it was legendary with the campfire stage, but it was like before it was built out and good

It was like a little tent. Oh, it was like pallets with an easy. Oh, yeah, like a blue Easier, but it honestly we should do all the sets like that cuz it fucking popped It was almost in the round set. Everyone was just everywhere. Yeah, it was on Sunday, I remember. Have you been seeing that All American Rejects, they're just popping up at all these house parties? Oh, yeah, yeah.

It's unbelievable. That's cool. I mean, you have to start thinking that way. Because how we tour is not sustainable anymore. Yeah, it's just. It's fucking bullshit. It's weird because the hard part about it is, there's like trajectory versus like you've been doing it

for a while, people are on the come up. So there's all these like, everything's happening a different way. So there's these people, if you're on the come up, well then you can like, it's gonna work for your touring. If you're, you know, like you can like go up in rooms and like the ideal way of touring how we used to will kind of work.

But if you've kind of been doing it for a while, you're not like super hard on the come up, then you have to get creative. And so it's another one of those you have to reevaluate at every point in your career and where you're at, depending on what you can do, and it's just super tricky. You ever, I feel like, right before you started tour, it's like that, the woman who worked at Popeye's

when they just created the chicken sandwich. Oh yeah, right, right, right. And she's just, she's there sidelined, just like, fuck, right, right. I don't weigh a load. She's there sidelined just like, fuck, fuck, there's a thousand people outside. How am I gonna fucking execute this? Yeah. Yeah man, that's gotta be a lot of pressure on you guys. You know, we've just been doing it for long enough.

I think that yes, in theory, it is a lot of pressure, but you know, you just can't sweat it. You just fucking do it. Everything else has pressure too, I guess. So just do something you like. Yeah, sometimes it's fun to figure puzzles out. Yeah. Have you ever just like accidentally pressed

the mute button? Yes. Really? Oh yeah. What's the worst one? What was the worst? It just stops. Oh, but you talk about all good. And then you're like, and then you just press it again. What's the worst one? What was the worst? It just stops. Oh, but you just like,

bing, and you're like, oh shit. And then you're like, bing, and then you just press it again. What happened at All Good? Oh, All Good years ago. That was when we were just on a computer setup. And it was like, we were playing and it was just on a regular folding table. You know, I just had my stuff on a folding table with a cloth over it. And we're like playing and we go, we get into this one part of this one song, it's like this big drop, and it's like crushing, you know, like jumping up and down. Just like one leg of the table just goes boop,

and all my gear, keyboard, computer, audio unit, just slides off the table. Just slides off the table, and just like lands on the floor, and the laptop closes, and I'm just looking at, you know, and it's like, there's like a lot of people in the- It was like 20,000 person all good,

like the biggest all good. I'm not even proud, loves it when that happens. So it slides down, right? And like, and just closes and I'm looking at it and the music's still playing and I was like, maybe it's just gonna keep going. And then all of a sudden it just stops. Yeah.

And I was just like, fuck. And then, you know, I'm like, what do I do here? And so I was like, I said something like, you guys made my laptop. You're raging so hard. I was like, all right, so give us five minutes and we'll be back. Set it back up and then it went back.

I remember that. Is it like slow motion when that shit happens? No. Oh, literally. Absolutely. And then I feel like the computer closing was like, I'm watching and I'm playing along and then I was like, whoa, we're still playing.

And then it stopped and I was like, should I stop or should I keep going? Because sometimes it stops and then he's able to start it again within a couple seconds. So I can just latch onto the beat or I can do a couple fills. But this I was like, I don't want to start a drum solo that I can't stop if I just start playing.

And it's like, who knows how long it could have been. I can't remember, I feel like you did keep on playing for a minute and then just. Maybe for a little and then yeah. Drum solo, finally. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy. See that's like.

That was wild. It was like 20, it was the biggest all good. Especially when you're fucking with tracks and shit. Yeah. Maybe it's like, it's more freeing with that CDJs. It's like. It's pretty fun. Yeah.

It's like you don't have to rely like God forbid it. Cause like my boy's little stranger. Oh yeah you guys have a track with him. I have a track with him on the new album. Sometimes his Johnny's computer does not fucking work and it overheats. He runs in Logic though. That's tough.

Oh, Dom, there's gigs that were so hot where the team would try to figure out, before we had like fans, the fan thing for your computer, they would get a fricking Tupperware and put ice and towels in it and then rest the computer on top of this. You know the restaurant bus tray? They would just take a bag of ice

and put it in the bus tray and then just set my laptop on top of it. This was in like a 10. Oh, fuck. Yeah, and it was like, okay, I think it's gonna work. Are you serious? At a hangout festival or whatever. We're at a major festival.

So do you bring two laptops? You're like, what's your process? I did, I did. We had a little backup. It was like a redundant thing that we had. But not for a long, I mean, not for a long time. It was one. Just playing with fire, boys?

Just playing with fire, for sure. And you know. The fuck? Bro. This is a Wild West back then. No different than your guitar pedals going out every show, though. You know what I mean?

Don't go there. You only have one keyboard. I will fight you right now. That's every guitar player, though. No it isn't.'t don't go there you only have one I will fuck I will fight right now every guitar player no it isn't and don't go that Nicholas I don't know one guitar player that isn't bitching about their pedals constantly I know so tell me one good thing about that you like about each other tell you give me some let's do some band therapy right now what are things what are things you like about each other?

And what are things you don't like about each other? Just like each other. Seriously? Yes, I do. Because I wanna know, I'm very curious. Cause I never get you guys together. Like Dom's smile. Yeah.

But like, I mean, Dom's- I love Jeremy's hair. Dom's work ethic is unparalleled for sure. But was there a time like you you thought Big G was over? What, I mean, the first six months? Just like, was there a hard moment? I mean, COVID, yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean.

A lot of bands have the, I mean, just 20 years, there had to have been a fight. There had to have been a fucking, you know? You wanna, you were just trying to get all the dirty, the dirty dirty. Bamboo, close your ears right now. No, I don't know. Cause I'm just trying to figure out like,

there's gotta be like some points in our lives, our friendships where it grows even tougher. Like it's, maybe it's moving in with each other. Maybe you saw like, maybe Jeremy didn't take out the trash one day. You know, like, shit like that. It's like, you know, it's like any relationship or marriage or whatever, you know,

it's not obviously not perfect, but you know, I respect Jeremy and, you know, respect what he does. And that's the thing that makes it, you know, to be able to work through stuff and figure stuff out. And I'm honest, maybe sometimes I'm too honest. I don't know, but I'm honest. I'm honest, maybe sometimes I'm too honest, I don't know. But I'm honest, I respect him, so we have that. And I think that's a big thing of being able

to just keep it going even when things aren't perfect. Right. So it's like, you actually fucking nailed it in the head. Communication. That's what I'm learning about. I never used to communicate with Sean. I'm asking this because as a person, my relationship with Sean has been now 15 years.

And I'm just trying to figure out how to communicate with somebody directly without offending them. So when you have these relationships for so long, like even with Ben Baruch, he's basically the third member of your band, dude. You've been relationships for so long, like even with Ben Baruch, he's basically the third member of your band, dude. You've been together for so long. Can you be direct with him? Yeah, I'm very direct with him.

And I've had issues and stuff, and I just say, hey man, like, he's easy to talk to in that regard. I was like, hey man, I need this. And he's like, cool, I'll do my best. He's a good listener. He's gonna, cool, I'll do my best. One thing I love about Ben, his intention is, he's a good listener.

It's a very stoic man. Yeah, he's stoic. You ever want to kick his ass? Give me some dirt, give me some dirt. No, I don't ever want to kick anyone's ass. Have you ever fought anyone? That one's really nice, do you not know that about Don? Have I ever fought anyone?

No. Never fought anyone? Have you ever fought anyone? I don't think you have either ass. That one's really nice. Do you not know that about Don? Have I ever fought anyone? No. Never fought anyone? Have you ever fought anyone? I don't think you have either. I have. Have you? I've never fought anyone. In like Hebrew school, when I was like,

yeah, 10 in Hebrew school. Ankle biter. I bit someone's ankle and he kicked me in the mouth. How did you get to his ankle? He beat my ass. Oh, okay, so you were on the ground. Of course, the end of the fight. It was a tournament fight.

He was talking shit about my mom or something. I didn't try to, and he was way I just tried, and he played bigger than me, and he whooped my ass, and then the last thing, I just tried to bite his ankle. And he, that's amazing. Actually, back when I was in elementary school, you know, I was playing a lot of basketball, and you know, I was talking shit,

and you know, and like, I don't know. I like made a few shots, talking some shit, and one kid like held me back, and the other kid like punched me. But that was it though. But then it was just like. That was it. One push.

Yeah, it was just like. And then we kept playing. Yeah, we've all had that. I've not had that. Oh. Is there any beef in the EDM world? There any like Tupac, Biggie beef, like do you? Wagyu?

Wagyu. Wagyu. Nice. I don't think. I don't know, yeah, not that I know of. I'm sure people have met each other. It's more of like a love, peace and love kind of thing. Boring.

Man, god damn it. Is there beef? Everyone's so happy. I feel like everyone's like, dead mouse, dead mouse is like the guy who beefs with people. Yeah. Really? Yeah. But he's so much better than everybody else it's over one. I agree with you. Dead Mouse is like the guy who beats with people. Really? Yeah. But he's so much better than everybody else,

they can't really say anything to them. Cool. Is that why? No, it's not like that. He's just like the angry old man of the EDM scene. This is why he keeps a hat on or whatever a mask on. I think he kinda stopped wearing that at home. No, he does the shows minus the mask.

Sometimes he'll do the mouse set. He'll troll too. He'll just play from the beginning. Yeah, he do the mouse. He'll troll too, he'll just play. Yeah, he's definitely, he's opinionated, you know? He's got strong opinions. I'm sure there's beef that we just don't know about. We're like in our kind of world. Do you like when they call you the OGs? Then that lets you know that you're old.

Original gangster. Legend. You're like, oh, I'm old, cool. Old guys. That's fine, I'll take it. Are you cool with that? I don't care. This man is just calm, cool, collected.

This is James Bond. He's like, have you seen my studio tour? I'm good. No, I'm just kidding. Dom's studios, though. It's just like, when you guys have kids, you'll understand, I think. It's like, don't you fucking put that danger on me.

I can't wait to see Andy. Trying to get Andy to have a okay. Oh, so let's talk about that So you think you chilled out? When you had a kid well, I've been pretty chill, but it just puts a lot of things in perspective for you I think yeah about what you know, what's important and what's You know any advice for Jeremy when he has a kid You know. Any advice for Jeremy when he has a kid? Jeremy will be a great dad if he ever decides to be one. He's definitely gonna have a college fund.

I'm gonna start at day one. This is how the interest rate is. This is Airbnb. This is yours. It's all gonna be yours. All the money will go to you. Airbnb on Gilpin could all be yours. You ever ask a collab-erator to collab on one of your tracks

and just doesn't sound tight, so you just don't use it? Yes, and vice versa. Oh, really? Yeah, it happens all the time. People are like, hey, we should collab on something, and you get to a point on the song, and then it's like crickets, and you hit them up like, hey, and then they're like,

and you don't hear from them anymore. And you know, I think- They ghost you, huh? Yeah, yeah, and I think it- They ghost fucking Dom? No, totally, totally. The OG? The OG?

Shit. Oh. There you go. Shit, they better know about that. It happens, and I think early on, I was kinda like, oh, you know? Get affected. But now I'm like, okay, it's cool. They're vibing with it, no It happens and I think early on, I was kind of like, oh, you know? Get affected. But now I'm like, okay, it's cool.

They're vibing with it, no worries. And you just move on. What was the process like? They're wasting your time. They were great. It was really hard. They were really cool. We just had a few, we just had a few Zooms together

and they did, yeah. And it was a little, you know, like, it was like, I love this part, more of this, this like I don't like love as much and cool, go back. And I think they went back three, they gave something, went back again, went back one more time, and then maybe went back the last time to do some like ad libs or something.

Is it hard to make a chorus for your type of music? Cause it's always everywhere, it's always moving. There's already, do you have a chorus like in mind when you're writing songs? Well, they, it's interesting because when they recorded their stuff, they recorded a bunch of stuff and they had sort of had a chorus that I didn't totally love, I think.

And I said, but there was a different part of their verse or little thing that they did where I was like, that's the chorus. I was like, that's the chorus. And then I made an edit and was like, how about if this is the chorus, we do like this, and then fill in the rest.

And they were like, cool, got it. And then went back, retooled it, and it was like epic. And there, he's super easy to work with. I mean, John is a monster producer too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he's a fucking real deal producer. And we got to see their show, I got to see it for the first time at Florida Groves.

That show looked fucking huge for the guys. Yeah, it was good for us and it was good for them too. They had a great set. Yeah, they're awesome. They're really awesome. Great reggae band. Let's go down memory row. I'd like to know about-

Memory lane? Memory lane. Okay. Memory lane. He doesn't know any words. I don't know any words. Brascoisms. I wanna do a Brascoisms book.

He only knows genitals and that's memory row. I asked Bo to actually write down some of the shit that you say because you combined so many words. I'm such a fucking idiot. Dude, but that's a legit book. That's the new album. Marie Rowe, dude. Anyway.

We could take this off the podcast, Jeremy. I just have to ask him. Jesus. Tell me about the Jenner. I know. I knew you were gonna say that. Tell me about the Jenner. Yeah. Yeah. Go, go, go, go. We're all listening. She's definitely listening. She's a tier one listener. She Yeah, go, go, go, go, go. For our listeners.

She's definitely listening. She's a tier one listener. She's a big, she listens to every episode. Everyone. Everyone, baby. For my listeners, have you remember that show, 90210? Yes.

Dude, what a weird time. What a, dude, this blows my mind. 2012. I still, like sometimes at 2 a.m. when I'm thinking about Jeremy, because this is one of my closest friends. This is my fucking dog. Jeremy like pulling Jenny Garth's kids on the,

I go to Jenny Garth and Jeremy Sulkins fucking tabloids on Google. Wow. Give me your take on the Jenny Garth era with Jeremy Sulkins. Oh, I get to give the take? You get the take. Oh, yes.

I've heard yes. Outside perspective. Outside perspective. What was it like? That shit was crazy. I fucking bet. That shit was crazy. I'm crying thinking about it

because I think about it so much. I mean. I can't really think about it. I do, dude. I don't know. Look, I don't. You told the saxophone story. Yeah, I don't.

She was sweet. You know, our world. Yeah. I don't know. Fuck was story. Yeah, I don't. She was sweet. You know, our world. Yeah. I don't know. What the fuck was she doing at a Jam Band festival? She was at ACL. She was at ACL, so it wasn't really. She was on the tour bus, dude.

Well, that was later. That's when we started met, but yeah. Give us your perspective on this. Because the band was popping. It was just weird because we're doing this thing and then there's this other thing comin' in that it was like one of these things is not like the other. You know what I mean?

It's like it makes no sense really. And I see Jeremy's perspective being like, hey, I don't know, who knows? You never know and maybe whatever. I don't know, who knows? You never know, and maybe whatever. I don't know. I didn't really see it because she was like a good bit older than you two. Nine years.

Yeah, so I was like, 31, dude. Oh my God. You gotta do it. Jeremy was more like. You have to do it. You gotta do it. She's from 902. Yeah, right, right.

But there was just a lot of like, she's really drunk and fighting. And then, and then, you know, the straw that broke the camel's back for me was like, we're about to go on at, in- In Urbana. In Urbana. Oh, canopy club.

Standing side stage. And I'm there sitting there with my horn. She has her like red solo cup drink. And she's just like drunk. And she like drops it in the bell of my horn. Oh my God. And I'm just like bitch, like what the fuck are you doing? And then, you know, and then from that point on, I was just like, stay away, stay away from me basically. Because I didn't, you know, that, her fame,

to me had nothing. This is like later. Not really, not really. Maybe she did like a night, yeah, like a night on the bus. She did like a night in Yeah like a night on the bus Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's for me. I'm like look I don't I don't care like who you are because it did work No, like this is like a whole different thing, you know, yeah, yeah, and I didn't like how she was so fucking mean to him She wasn't that you said when she was drunk. She was mean to you. Well, yeah a little bit I mean who's not mean when they're I don't give a fuck. No one's gonna be mean to you. She was mean to you. Well, yeah. Little bit, I mean, who's not mean when they're drunk? I'm protective over you, Jeremy. I don't give a fuck.

No one's gonna be mean to you. Thank you. Yeah, I'm not trying to smear. It was 10 years ago. Yeah, it was fricking 13 years ago, dude. Yeah, it's crazy. I just think it's so funny that the tabloids, and then people followed him.

I have fond memories of that from some things. People followed him to ice cream shops in Malibu. Like, the whole thing is fucking crazy. She wasn't even that famous anymore, I feel like, at that point, was she? She was always huge. Yeah, you're right. She was just the bed tablet.

She's been crushing it. Plus this is like before there was an 800 million celebrities too. Anyway, that's to Jenny Garth. Thanks Jenny, sorry for- Don't you fucking touch his saxophone! Don't put a drink in my saxophone. Yeah, that's never a good idea. I was like, when he told me that,

I was like, oh God. 2-1-ho, what? Any, be nice. Any, what about like horror fan situations? Like anyone like- Any stalkers? Any stalkers, any, none of that? Not really, you know-

You're a hot guy. A couple good looking. A couple years ago, there was this guy, there was this one guy who lived like up in Northern, Fort Collins or something, and he was just clearly like mentally unstable. And he like, I kind of like helped him get tickets to Red Rocks because he was like,

oh, my kid and something, something. And then it just like, it started getting really weird where at one point I was like, kind of worried like he was gonna come to my house or something. Because I had to just like not, I had to just like cut it off. What was he talking about? Yeah, sorry about that.

I didn't fully remember. It was, it just got really weird. Like very like, I can't even remember, but it was very like, that was the first time I was ever like, okay, I'm't even remember, but it was very like, that was the first time I was ever like, okay, I'm kinda like nervous for me and my family right now. There's Nick.

Play the Giant Step Solo. Yeah. The Giant Step Solo. Can I please go to your concert? That's so, I've had stalkers. Nice. But they know my address. Yeah.

My address is on Google. I should have said that. They could literally rent your house and just stay here. I know. But the good thing there is he won't be here if they rent on Airbnb. Yeah, but he could come home that, you know. Yeah, now the cleaning crew will get him out.

That's true. They could be hiding. What's your take of Derek from Pretty Lights? Derek Classic, I mean, you know, he's another OG. That's true. They could be hiding. What's your take of Derek from Pretty Lights? Derek, classic. I mean, he's another OG. Old guy. Do you think that Pretty Lights Gangster.

Helped you guys in a way too, like them blowing you up? Absolutely, absolutely. We were definitely like, we did a whole year there where we did a half a year touring with him. And this is pre-live band stuff. But yeah, OG and it's great to see him back. And it's great to see him back with the live band and friends with a lot of those guys in the band.

I'm in another band with Boram and stuff too. So it's great. Butterfly effect. Butterfly quintet. Yeah. Butterfly quintet. So it's good to see him working again because he's a great.

I was almost there. That's an Ashton Kutcher movie, Andy. Yeah, true. Derrick's definitely an innovator, man. He's always trying to figure out like, what can I do that. What was that like when you got the nod? That was really secret.

Yeah, that was super sick to get to play on that. And I think, shout out Boram on that. I think Boram probably was in his ear a little about, I think they were trying to do something kind of special and Boram kind of got in his ear about having me do that. So it was really cool. Kind of gave me what they were looking to do, but there was, so I knew there was a couple lines

that I had to memorize and that was easy, but the rest of it was really getting to play with them, just improvise with them full on, which was really fun. What'd you see? What's the process? I'm so curious about his process. Well, he's got all the guys in the band, and then he has, everyone's got their in-ears,

and then he's talking to everyone the whole time. So it was cool, because I had a couple melodies. So he'd be like, melody one, you know, that'd be cool. And then he's like, Dom, go, you know, and then I could just play, and he's like, okay, here we go, next part, you know, so he's talking to everyone. Oh, he's quarterbacking the whole fucking thing.

Yeah, he's like, he's like, orchestrating the whole thing. And I think that's how it is for, you know, for them the whole time. It is, yeah, yeah, Mender was telling us about it. Yeah, yeah. Did that inspire you to kind of go off the Ableton? No, no, not necessarily.

Yeah. I think he still uses Ableton. I think he still uses it. He asked you the way they put it. His is all, yeah, his is all Ableton. What about, what's your take on Michael's productions? Menner? OG.

He's the main. OG, I mean, you know. There's no pretty lights without Menner? OG. He's the man. OG, I mean. Yeah, they started all that stuff together and Mike's just a super sweet guy. I love him, love him. And great producer and just great mastermind. He has such a sound that's his own. Do you have any production questions

before we let these boys go? No. They're beautiful lives. I don't wanna ask people about Ableton production. I think we hit it, we hit it hit everything. Where do you roll off your, no, I'm just kidding. I do wanna, I do wanna. I have a question about saxophone though. Do you think that like there's like four to eight people

working as saxophone players because of you? Like, do you think that you kind of revitalize the saxophone especially in our scene? Cause I think you did. Really? That's really nice of you to say that, thank you. I mean, I still would have been working. I'm talking about other people.

I'm just kidding. I don't think so. No, I think I caught it early, but I think it was common, you know, I think. Yeah, but I don't know. People like the Grizzes of the world, that like, you know, back then. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. No, I Grizzes of the world that like, you know, back then. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't know.

No, I'm just gonna say hard no on that. Did Grizz rip you off? No, no, absolutely not. No way. Inspired. I think Grant was honestly doing it at the same time I was doing it. You guys were doing this, it's crazy how that,

you two were the forefront of that funk stuff. Yeah, I think when we met it was like, oh, I think he'd been doing it for a long time. Who else too was that funk, like, floozies? Yeah, but they're a little after maybe. Little after, dramatic. Dramatic, big time. Trying to think.

Wow. But a lot of that was, Paper diamond maybe? A lot of the stuff early on, especially was inspired by Pretty Lights because he was doing the horn samples and everything like that. He's like the Grateful Dead of that.

They're fish. Really? Nice. Wow, that's a, Dom's tray. We used to have a lot of tray conversations. Dom's tray! What'd you take on Jam Bands? I love Jam Bands.

I like, I mean, like, I think that I was kind of stepped in that world for a little bit. And I don't know if that was particularly where I wanted to like, Are you talking about the motet? Just in general. Yeah. Cause you know, I was doing, I was sitting in with people and doing all that kind of kind of stuff. And the girl lock method, we call that. Yeah, right. I don't think I definitely wanted to like dig my heels in there and like stay there.

Sometimes, sometimes I'm like, it could be fun, but I think I definitely wanted to dig my heels in there and stay there. Sometimes I'm like, it could be fun, but for me it's a little more like, I'd rather do it in the jazz world than I would in the jam band world. I'd rather be doing jazz clubs versus doing rock clubs, playing jazz. Those scenes used to overlap a lot better too, jazz and jam bands.

There used to be a lot more creative, like soul live, like those ulu kind of things back in the day. Those scenes used to overlap a lot better too, jazz and jam bands. There used to be a lot more creative like, soul live, like those ulu kind of things back in the day. Like they would come out of like the New York loft sort of art scene, but that doesn't happen anymore for some reason. Yeah, but as like an improviser, I love jam bands and I love the, you know, when I left New York,

it was like, I'd go to sessions in Brooklyn and it was like, no one played anything. We didn't like have music. It was just like, hey, you want to play? It's like beep, beep, beep, and then 45 minutes later, it's like, all played anything. We didn't like have music. It was just like, hey, you wanna play? Like beep, boop, beep, boop, boop, boop. And then 45 minutes later, it's like, all right, see you later. And you just played whatever for 45 minutes.

So I love that spontaneous aspect of the jam band stuff. That's like my- We need like that Modestki-Martin Wood thing to come back a little bit. Yeah, I do miss that. Yeah, it's really healthy for the music part. That's the best period of time. I get it a little bit every once in a while

on the side shows, but I don't really get to really, really dig into it someday. You heard it all. Big G, the only beef they have is with Jenny Garth. Everyone else is fine. No. Shh. No.

No. Thanks for being on the show, guys. Hey, appreciate it. I really appreciate it. Oh yeah, appreciate it, guys. I love you, Jake. Love you too, brother. Do you wanna talk a little bit about your endeavors? We'll talk about that.

You're gonna have your own episode. Yeah, part three. From what your business have to a bunch of things. But my question is, what do you want people to come out of this new record? Like what do you want, what's your take on it? Yeah, you know, I think it's I think I'm super proud of the you know the album and the and the work and the songs and I

Think that I just want people to just enjoy it and really catch a vibe off it. It's a good summertime Album, so a lot of great songs on there that people can dig and just enjoy it. What's the date? It actually comes out Friday Friday. Yeah, so this will be it and just enjoy it. What's the date it actually comes out? Friday. Friday, okay. Yeah. So this will be it. It'll be out. We're releasing this on Tuesdays. It's out already.

Cool. So it'll be out. Albums out. Albums out. Albums out. What's it called? What's the album called? Fluorescence.

Fun. What was the hardest record to create out of all your records? The first one. The next one. Yeah. Why? What happened on the first one? It's just the first one, you know? It's your first time ever. Are you a perfectionist like that? Yeah, I mean, definitely. This is the first record I became a perfectionist on and it's getting the best reaction ever. I used

to just like put out records just because I had to put out records right every year and the first time I actually Took my time People gave shit. Yeah. Yeah So it's about it's a great record. I'm proud of you for that. Thanks. It's worth it. Intention? Yeah. Yeah No, like not being a perfectionist. But like also like how do you like not even to I know Last question. You're good. You're good. Yeah How do you not get in your head

of not just wanting to keep fixing the song and we'll keep fixing the song? Yeah. Yeah. When do you know it's done? When do you know it's done? You just gotta call it. Gotta call it. You just gotta call it. And it's like, sometimes I've listened to it so many times,

I'm like, okay, this is it, I don't care anymore. Like, I've listened to it a thousand times. That's why you don't like it. It's like, well, that's why people think they're ugly because they see themselves in the mirror every day and they're used to it. You know what I mean? And it's probably a blessing to,

Jesus fucking Christ. Let's go into that a little bit. Tell me how you really feel about it. No, it's a phenomenon. Other people see you as more attractive than you see yourself because they don't see you every 10 minutes. Or it's like, it's kind of a blessing to disguise

you have a kid, like now you can kind of force yourself to like, my kid is about to shit himself or like, you know. Well my kid's six and that. Why is he always pooping? His kid's like a second grade. He's six, he's going to be in first grade, so hopefully he's not shitting himself anymore. If he was, I'd have bigger problems. If he is, that's okay.

But I love that's your analogy of like what me having a kid is is basically a kid just watch Oh, my kids cheating himself. I need to go everywhere. Yeah, anything people are their babies or 30 How's your kid now 30? That's you are so true. Yeah, I'm crying Is the owner to buy tickets by himself? He's a baby Eating solid foods yet? Six. This kid's a wild card.

I'm fucking crying right now. He loves music, cause he could play anything yet? A little bit. He can like play sax. YAS23? His hands just aren't big enough to get all the way. Will he be a nepo baby? What's a nepo baby?

Like him playing saxophone. He'll inherit the music. The big G, like you'll hand off to him. I'm happy to, I definitely, I don't force it on him. I kind of leave it there for him to have if he wants to explore. He's definitely really into art. He's really doing some really great

drawing, painting type of stuff. We've heard from his art teachers and things like that that he's crazy at math. His teachers are like, I don't know what's up with this kid in math, but he's like, so. So we'll just like, I obviously don't want him, I don't wanna be a, you gotta be a saxophone playing DJ, you know?

I'm just like, hey, find what you're good at. I try to teach him the things about working hard, being passionate, doing what you love, and leave the rest to him. But I hope that I would inspire him. Because he's in first grade, Andy, not two years old. Yes. Well, when Andy was first grade,

he was already booking shows. Yeah. He already had like a garage. Rise Against is playing guys, and Andy was first grade, he was already booking shows. Yeah. He already had like a garage. Rise Against is playing guys, and Andy booked it. He's getting 10%, and he's six years old. At third grade, I was selling laser pens. Oh yeah. Really?

And I got in trouble because I didn't give him the laser pens. My dad made me give the money back, and I had to go to the house and apologize. Wait a second, you never gave him the product? Well, the first round I did. That's fraud. The first round I did, but then a lot of people wanted laser pens. And I'm like, fuck, I can't go to Aloe Vera Street

in Little Mexico. I gotta ask my dad to take me to fucking, now it's a business. It's not like- Where did you grow up? Los Angeles. Oh, you did in Los Angeles. In the Valley.

So, but you Vegas, right? Vegas, yeah. What a weird place. Same hustle. Everyone moved to LA. Everyone from LA in our ages moved to Vegas? Vegas, yeah. What a weird place. Same hustle. Everyone moved to LA, everyone from LA in our ages moved to Vegas. Yeah, yeah.

Growing up in Vegas is wild to me. It's like you grow up where people go on vacation. Right. Now it's like a fucking big ass city. All the sports teams. I was wondering, I'm like, all these sports teams, does it make sense that all these sports teams are moving there?

And then I realized, it's fucking little LA. It does make sense. It does. Yeah, it does. Because they got the money to back it too, you know, and they got the space. Last question. Yeah, no, more questions.

NBA prediction for next year. Man. I mean, you my Laker guy. I know, what a tough season, right? Tough season. It was like, you were kind of like. Well, the nuggets, too, like, what's Joker going to do? What last thing, not NBA production. Tough season, right? Tough season. It was like, you were kinda like, what's Joker gonna do?

What last thing we'll get at here? I mean, I think that the Nuggets need to, I think they need to rip it apart a little bit. You know, if they wanna have some success. Michael Plank's on. He's gotta be. Even Jamal Murray, maybe. Lakers.

He played Porter. I kinda just feel like they need to stick with it a little bit, but they need a big guy. They gotta have a big guy in there who's really gonna. I see them going after Walker Kessler. They got a top five guy in the league, so that's a good place to be. I mean, OKC next year is gonna be tough again.

They just ripped the bandit off that last game. But the Pacers, right, you're a Pacers guy, right? Cavaliers, but you know. Cavaliers. I'm into the Pacers now. But that, cause no one saw that comment. No. Just the, I mean, how many times

Tyrese like hit the game winning shot? What is it, like five or six times during the playoffs? He's insane. Yeah, he's awesome. They play really good team basketball. It's very fits Indiana really well. Now that he's out or he's not, 100% they're fucked. Yeah, they're fucked.

But they're big ups to OKC. I mean, they look, they're gonna be tough again. I mean, Boston, Boston could be tough again, although they might get ripped apart. Dude, they're gonna get ripped again. I mean, Boston could be tough again, although they might get ripped apart. They're gonna get ripped apart. They're taxed. What? They have the seventh pick in this coming draft.

Who? Thunder. I know, it's great. Cleveland coulda, you know, it's tough. It's just hard. You can't win playoffs with a six foot star. No, you can't. And we saw that with Donovan Middleton. They're gonna trade Garlander.

All right, guys, get garland her. All right guys Get out of here. All right. I love you. Love you by then Grab big G's new record and they're my there are close friends I mean Jeremy sweet angel Prince is in the building sweet angel print and we have Dom This is the this I've never had this I've never seen the OG Keep doing keep doing Lord's work boys. And let me know if you want me to babysit your kid. Okay, we'll do. Yeah.

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