Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - BONUS EP: DJ Williams

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

Bonus episode LIGHTNING round with our good buddy: guitarist & upstanding gentleman, DJ Williams! Not only does he have a killer resume working as lead guitarist for Karl Denson's Tiny Universe and Shots Fired, but he's also going solo with his recently released, outstanding new record. Andy & Nick chew the fat and get down to how DJ went about charting his course through the tempestuous waters of a life lived in music. And guess what... You can watch the full episodes Exclusively on Volume.com now in color!  Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker

All right, and we're live. Andy Frasca's World Saving Podcast, a bonus episode. Yes, it's Friday, and I want to get some of my friends on the podcast. We have a bunch of extra interviews, so might as well get them out there. Hope you're doing well. This is another volume.com bonus app for everyone involved. We have my buddy DJ Williams. Yes, he's the best. You might know DJ. He was the lead guitar player for Carl

Denson's Tiny Universe or his solo band, Shots Fired. But now he's putting out a record going solo, solo like Tupac Shakur. DJ Williams is an amazing guitar player from Richmond, moved to Denver. I became such good friends with him. Hey, Chris, why don't you play a little bit of DJ while I'm pimping Matt a little bit?

I love this interview. I mean, DJ's a workhorse, man. He knew what he wanted. He had a really good gig with Carl Denson. And he's like, you know what? I'm going to go solo. I'm going to try this out, put my dick out there, and go solo on that ass.

So ladies and gentlemen, I think you're going to really love this interview. He's one of our closest friends. Nick and I really dive down to why he left Carl Denson and what's on the horizon for our boys. So enjoy a bonus episode of the horizon for our boys. So enjoy a bonus episode of the World Saving Podcast and our guest, DJ Williams. Same old folks in the same old bars Same old stories of who they are In this town where we live How you doing, sir? Welcome to the podcast.

He's here. In the chair. Right here. I'm not even going to say how long You've been talking about doing this But I'm glad to be here It's a long time coming It is a long time But it's so much sweeter to even be here now

Because of it You're like this motherfucker Pulling my leg We build it up You're dodging me Yeah I've been dodging you I'm like fuck fuck DJ's that trivia

I gotta cut it out Cut it out Andy's an LA dodger Ooh good one Yeah Got him How you doing DJ? I'm doing fabulous, man.

Thanks so much. You having fun out there? Absolutely. Hot news. DJ's going solo, ladies and gentlemen. He's done with Carl Denson. He's keeping all the money and paying everybody. When I can, when I can.

What was your decision to leave Carl Denson? I don't, you know, that's a very good question. It wasn't, it kind of, I knew I was going to for about a year before I said anything to anybody. And 12 years. Since summer of 2011, I joined his band. I learned a lot. I learned an incredible amount. They call it the tiny university.

That's a great. Yeah. If he wants to throw in the tune in the middle of the set, you're like, we're just huddled around a YouTube video like five minutes before we're gone. And it was that kind of environment. I was 29 when I joined that band. Holy shit. And it was like

with all these older seasoned guys, Chris Stilwell, John Staten, Chris Littlefield. And it was like, it was a little bit intimidating. And then it got to the point, you know,

you walk out and like the Brian Jordan, who was the guitar player before me, his fans would be like standing to the stage and laughing. Like, where the fuck is Brian?

Exactly. It was like, I had to step up to the plate. Yeah. I loved every minute of that. I'm like the musician I am today because of that. And then after more and more, I was still always doing my solo stuff

in between Tiny Universe tours. But eventually I was like, I really want to dive and devote myself to this 100%. It takes balls to not take a paycheck to go solo. It does. Yeah. Was that scary at first?

It's scary right now. Yeah, fucking bad, dude. Yeah, dude. Like, you know, like I'm having, I'm playing a lot of new markets I've never played before. And it's like, so I'm having a lot of great shows, but there's also some empty rooms that I'm in. This is the part you can't skip. Yeah. Fucking humbling.

But I'm not afraid to go to work and I'm not, I believe highly in what I'm doing. So that's where I'm going from here. You can always tell the bands that have played those shows with no people at them. They end up being better bands in the world. Yeah. That was my first seven years.

I didn't play for shit. Maybe 10. Maybe 10. Yeah. I think you're right. I was my first seven years. I didn't play for shit. Maybe 10. Maybe 10. Yeah. I think you're right. I texted you from a venue. Oh, yeah. Remember?

I was like, man, everyone here says hi. And it was like this underground dingy. Where the fuck was that? That was Nevada City. Oh, man. Crazy. Crazy whore. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's got to be the toughest part because we're dealing with that with the podcast. I could sell thousands of tickets with the band, but now we're going solo. We're doing these podcast tours, and we're like, it's scary.

It's like, oh, fuck, I didn't realize that. I remember. Better margins, though. Better margins, yeah. I don't have to split the money for two people. Let's go. Totally, man. I do it for free.

No one knows that. Yeah, yeah. So that, yeah, it that's, it's crazy. So you're, what did you, before we talk about the solo career and stuff, I want to know, kind of pick your brain about, what did you learn from Carl as he was doing, being a band leader that you've learned to build your own band? Ah, man.

I learned from Carl to always be comfortable being uncomfortable. Right. Like he always had this way of pushing us, like pushing us. We kind of have like little bouts. We always had a great temperament, but he'd be like, I'll give you a great example. One time, probably by my first month or two in the band, we're on the road, and I had this feature in the soul of rich man's welfare it's a half a beat tune that yeah awesome i love that tune actually and

i had this feature on it and i came up do my solo and like maybe three or four days in the into the show he comes up behind me like right before i start my solo and i start my solo and carl starts playing my solo with me and then like i turn around on saxophone he looks at me and he goes switch it up and then just walks away in the middle of the show i'm like oh shit like yeah i've kind of gotten used to playing the same solo i'm just going through the motions i'm not improvising i'm not being a musician and like and from then on i don't think i've ever played the same solo twice it's like that day It's like a hater in baseball. He's like, I know you're throwing the curveball, bitch.

You throw the curveball every time. I'm about to take you to yard. It wasn't like Malicious. He taught me a lesson on stage and it cut deep. Oh, man, I'd be so intimidated after that Carl Denson's like, I know exactly what you're doing, bitch.

I'm going to come up behind you and play your solo with you. And then, yeah, switch it up is what he said. And then just walk back to his side of the stage. As he pulls out his flute. Oh, I can probably do this on the flute, too. Oh, yeah. By the way, Sudoku. Hold on.

Mick Jagger's calling me. That's crazy so it must have taught you how to just kind of like not be in your head as much yeah not be in your head and yeah improvising is really improvising yeah yeah we all have our go-tos that we can spit out any moment and when when you're on tour you start to get complacent you do start to go into that regular routine of what you've been doing. And I've learned from him to like, no. Yeah. Challenge yourself all the time.

So has that helped you with like your songwriting? Songwriting, soloing, sitting, sitting in. It's just, yeah. Were you kind of over

just being like second fiddle? Maybe fourth fiddle. Or fifth fiddle. That band had a lot of fiddles. Had a lot of fiddles. It was only, we started doing the second guitar thing

around 2015. I think it started because I started doing multiple guitar parts in the studio. Oh, right, right. And he'd stop something and I'm missing that thing.

I was like, man, I'm only one man. I can't play slide guitar. I think I kind of bit myself in the ass with that one and then we started having two guitar players. That never bothered me though.

No. Well, they're so different. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Totally. It was like one guy's like a blue-slide guitar guy and then you're like the,

you know. Sometimes you just gotta go solo to see your worth. Yeah. Like Kobe. Kobe. Yeah. Like Kobe left Shaq.

He sticked around. Yeah. And well, Shaq left. Justin Timberlake. Shaq. Well, they picked. He rolled off. Yeah, Justin Timberlake.

Timberlake, too, was fire. N'Sync was dope. He was good until about 2012. So how, when, they always say. Timberlake too was fire NSYNC was dope He was good until about 2012 So How When They always say That's a whole other show When he cut that afro off NSYNC wasn't the same

Then he went too single Without Timberland Yeah Yeah But yeah It must be crazy So they always say like You know

Your first record takes you 10 years How long Were you holding on to some of these songs Before you started putting them out A long time That's kind of where shots fired came from i moved to la in 2015 and i kind of made that band to be the west coast version of my virginia band the dj williams yeah oh right and i literally was like writing songs in hotel rooms on the road with carl and never playing them live.

And then I had like three, four records worth of material. I was really proud of it, never had like an outlet to fully do that. And that's all coming out now. I've done four records in the last four years. And you're putting out all of them? Yeah. Holy, not the best ones, every single one. The compendium.

Yeah, started with short stories. Started in the pandemic. So 2020, I started writing short stories. And that was- Was that the color red one? No, that came- That was before that. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. So what's your game plan here? You're going on tour? Going on tour heavily. And just trying to do it right. I'm literally touring in my 4Runner with a four-piece band. Shut the fuck up. Hell yeah, dude.

Hell yeah. Let's fucking go. I love that. Gas, baby. And that's what I show you. You were on a tour bus with Carl, weren't you? Between August

and the end of last year, we covered pretty much the whole country. And then I took the first once this year off. I'm not going out until April. What was the worst gig?

Ooh. You don't have to say the city. It was somewhere in South Dakota. It was like a brewery which we thought would have been cool, but it was just seven people there. One guy was like super into it. There's always that one guy.

At the small shows and it somehow makes it more embarrassing. I'm so sorry no one else is here, man. I don't understand. They always do that. They always make you feel worse while they're trying to make you feel better. Like, I'm sorry your career is dying. I like it. Yeah, man. I don't understand. They always do that. They always make you feel worse while they're trying to make you feel better. Like, I'm sorry your career's dying. I like it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, you know, that's where I'm at.

That's fucking crazy. Yeah. It's got to be humbling. Yeah, you can put it all out there as a guitar player from a tiny universe, but at the end of the day, the music has to be for itself. Can you say that? Can you say that in the promos? Are you allowed to? You don't want to, though. I'm formally of KD to you, but eventually I'll be going to stand on my own.

That's better for festivals. If it helps sell tickets, then yes. I played Mean Carl. Mean Carl was the best man in his wedding. What did he teach you about life? You know, he's... I think it was an indirect teaching because you've hung out with him

he's this naturally happy-go-lucky guy what I learned from him is that when you kind of learn to let go, this guy floats through an airport 30 minutes before his flight, rolls up and just always happens to make that shit on time

I love it I can't do he's in the flow it's that Tai Chi shit. I love it. Yeah. I can't do. He's in the flow. It's that Tai Chi shit. He's one of those people. Yeah. That's the thing.

So I'm learning to balance and pull a little bit out of that Benson playbook to try to incorporate more of that in my life. Let some things go. When you let some things go, I think more comes into your world, into your universe that you have. What's normally hard for you to let go uh control yeah yeah i mean look i just did a whole record by myself i'm in charge yeah and it wasn't it wasn't the captain yeah and it wasn't really because i didn't trust anybody else it's a something i've always wanted to do, but also I work really fast.

I work extremely fast when it comes to writing songs. And that's another thing I was going on, had a push and pull with the Tiny Universe is Carl likes to take single parts and break them down. He's like, I can't do that. I can't do that either. Yeah.

I'm like, the chorus was done yesterday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's lay it down and move the fuck on. That's better, actually. Yeah. Because no one is going to listen to your stuff that way anyway besides you. So I write and add all these layers,

and at the end, I go back and start chipping away at it. The devil's in the details is the famous saying about that. And you always go back to your first instinct. Always. Almost always, yeah. So why are we overthinking creativity? I think that's our creative minds. We naturally are overthinkers. So much easier to mix

someone else's record than your own. Like when I was in the studio with you yesterday, I was kind of helping with Ashley's vocals. It's just like a little bit here and there, but that stuff on my record is so much harder. But with yours, I'm like, no, go later. It's just so weird. That producer vibe comes in handy. You need someone to kind of help get you out of your own way.

Yeah. Yeah, it's got to be hard to get out of your own way, especially if you're confident enough to not take money to go on a tour with a 4Runner. Yeah, yeah. Dude, that's fucking wild. It's fun, though. I mean, we have to live.

We have to test ourselves Even when I'm at it I remember this last run Everyone in the car was asleep And I was like I kind of looked back at everyone I love driving too I looked back at everyone and I was like

This is fun This is like my high school days Rolling around in that Ford Econoline It is easier You can just pull right up and get your stuff out. I don't know, there's a lot.

I'm tired as fuck by the time I get to the gig. Right, right. I'm the road manager and the fucking sound person guy and band leader and hospitality and so on. Especially, yeah,

the gas stations are more fun when it's new. You know, it's like when you're on tour and stuff, you're with the same guys. The Love's gas station isn't as tight as when you're on a 4Runner

and you're fucking with the boys. Like, yo, y'all want cookies? Already done. Already done. Already got them for you. Chips and whore for the boys. Yeah, man. So that's wild.

So let's bring it back further. So Richmond, Virginia. Yes, sir. So who taught you? Who was your biggest inspiration for music? Who taught you how to fall in love with the guitar? Who gave you the confidence that you could be a musician? One thing that a lot of people don't know

is that guitar came very late in my life. Really? Yeah, I was like a senior in high school when I decided that guitar was like, I found this thing and I was like, oh man, this is my voice. But I started out on classical piano when I was four years old and you know the Suzuki method oh yeah I had my piano teacher was um a Yoki Suzuki and in New Jersey where I was born and her family was the one who invented Suzuki method and she instilled

like this super passionate love of like bach and rock monanoff and all this stuff in me and then i found jazz later on and then started playing drums in bands i played i played drums in a hardcore metal band called descon one sick in high school it was fucking awesome i was a freshman there was you have dreads i was like because that goes hard in metal yeah yeah. Okay, so for the people who don't know what the Suzuki method is, why don't you explain it to them? Suzuki method,

I'm not the best person to explain this, but it's the core of music, pretty much. It's your core scales. It's the core of music. Am I right? To me, it's a really practical way for really young kids that can't really read yet to learn music. It starts you with very, basically, it's just like little building blocks, and they just

keep adding the building blocks. You're doing very simple things. The relationship between your C and your E is a major third. They break it down all very simply, and then you're making these little blocks, and then all of a sudden, four years later, you're just killing it. So it's kind of like hooked on phonics. A little bit. Yeah.

It's almost exactly like the same, probably the same part of your brain. Man, aren't kids amazing? Kids are amazing. How do you learn? Because I can't learn a language to save my life later in my life. But when you're a kid, you can learn so quickly without overthinking.

I mean, I think that's the beauty of being young is not overthinking. Yeah. I think that's where I got lucky is starting that at four. Yeah. I was 16. I was classically trained. Holy shit.

So what'd you do before, like, what were you into sports when you were a kid? Tennis and soccer. Cause my dad was a soccer player. My dad was a guitar player too. He still is a guitar player. So why'd it take you so long to?

I think I was, I don't know. As you're a kid, it's just like, Oh, this is the thing I like to do. But like, I think the light bulb didn't know as you're a kid it's just like oh this is the thing I like to do but like I think the light bulb

didn't go off until I started bands and like you know you remember that battle of the bands back in the day oh yeah tell me your first battle

of the bands what was it like first battle of the bands I didn't even play like a friend was like you know just like get in the car and I was like

where are we we didn't even ask when you're a kid you're like okay let's go and we pulled up to this thing and there was a huge cafeteria inside this like it's like a catholic private school and i was like i've seen this

school but what the fuck is going on here and like we rolled in and the whole cafeteria had like drum sets like around it i was like okay this is dope oh yeah and then like band started and it was just like even they just had goosebumps the entire time and i was like okay you felt whatever's going on here like i need to be a part yeah yeah like it was like that that was like the epitomal like a moment i was like okay whatever is going here i want i want in and then that's it for me were you a good athlete were you good hockey or soccer player okay yeah but you know like it wasn't until music music always i always knew even as a young kid that music came easier to me than yeah even like classes in elementary school. I was picking up

on things faster than other kids were. Was your dad pissed that you picked it up so quickly and then all of a sudden became a rock star? No, not one bit. He was stoked. I was like, I want drums for my birthday. I got a drum kit. I was fully supportive

of parents who had crazy records laying around. I'd be fucking pissed. My kid. Fuck you. I've been working so hard. I've been playing bars. You're like virtuoso. No. I probably, I don't know. I think about that. Andy Fresco, the first person

to be jealous of his child's success. Not first, but yeah. Not even born yet. Why? Your son's killing it. Yeah, I know. Jealous of my unborn child. That's a metal song. Your kid's so talented. Yeah, I know. Jealous of my unborn child. That's a metal song. Your kid's so talented. Yeah, I know. Don't tell me about it anymore.

So that's wild. Okay, so you learned guitar around 18, 19. Did you go to college for it or did you... I went to school in Nashville because for some reason out of my mind I wanted to get out of Virginia quickly. And it was kind of close. That's a common thought. And my mom found a loophole where i had or i got in-state in-state tuition oh yeah so and i've also thought i was going to be a pilot so interesting i could see

you being a pilot yeah it was like there was a thing that was huge in the back of my mind was this doesn't work out then i want to do this and it also had this huge pilot program at middle tennessee state oh yeah yeah and they have a good music school yeah it was like literally like i'd get high and we play in the band and then like my friends who were in the pilot school would sneak us into the flight simulator whoa we'd be in there we like bring beers in and like dude like we'd put the parameters in like whoa it's a stormy night and the left engine goes out and then we'd like take turns trying to like stump the other person who oh my god these. In this $40,000, probably more than that, $100,000 flight simulator,

the room moved and shit. It was fucking awesome, man. What'd you learn from that? I learned how to land a 757. Oh my God, that sounds awesome. That sounds fucking awesome, dude. Are they hard to... Yes.

Give me the concept of how to land a plane. I mean... Was it drag? Go down. Speed versus... It's drag versus speed versus lift. Yeah. And those three parameters.

And like, if you come in too fast, you're going to... What's it called? You got to hit R2 and then B, A. Got it. Done. It's like a PS5. So what happens... Okay, so you're... I guess it teaches you to work under pressure too. Oh, yeah. Done. It's like a PS5 controller. So what happens... I guess it teaches you to work under pressure, too.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. So do you tell them, like, yo, the right engine's going to blow? Or do you, like, fuck off? You put in all these parameters, and then it starts. So you can start already landed in practice takeoffs. You can start in the sky and saying, you have to land. But this is the weather.

This is what could possibly happen. You can put in all these, like, parameters. This is what could possibly happen. You can put in all these parameters. This is your childhood? Just working on a college simulator? Yeah, well, that's because that flight program was so prevalent there. I didn't know they had that school there. Yeah. Because they have a fire music school there.

What's the difference between preparing for guitar versus preparing for flying? Nothing. Nothing? Yeah. Tell me. You can cast and burn any time. between preparing for guitar versus preparing for flying? Nothing. Nothing? Yeah. Tell me. You can cast and burn anytime. Your G-string is going to go out this time and you're playing outside

and it's 30 degree weather. You must play these changes. So you're in Nashville. How many years were you in Nashville? Two years. I dropped out and then I went to New York because I thought

after just a few... Were you getting good in two years? I was getting pretty good and then I went to New York and found out I wasn't shit. Yeah. And I went went to New York because I thought after just a few... Were you getting good in two years? I was getting pretty good. And then I went to New York and found out I wasn't shit. Yeah. And I went back to Virginia. Who did you meet and you realized you weren't shit? I met Schofield in New York.

The best guy ever? Yeah. I mean, we had like... I want to fuck... Yeah. First guy. I can't remember the name of the club, but we rapped after. But watching him play and like there was

all these like kind of open jam sessions all over new york i remember going into one i'll go back really quick i went to one in nashville and the wooten brothers they all lived in nashville and victor oh yeah ran an open mic at a place called third and lindsley i remember going there and signing up and getting there early and then when it, it was all the cats who were like not touring with Bonnie Rae. Yeah. The biggest like country guys. Just heavy, heavy. The baddest heavy guys.

As soon as it started, I scratched my name off the list and just sat there. I've been there. I know nothing about my instrument. Yeah. It's dope, right? Really good for you though. It really is. And like the Wooten, Victor Wooten hosted it.

It was every Wednesday. They're in Lindsay. And that's when I was like Okay I need to like Sit down with my instrument In New York At ECU Alive too And that's when I went back To Virginia and started

My DJ Williams project So how many years Were you in New York? Not even a year Oh so I'm out of here Same with my cousin I was like

It was like a I might move here Kind of thing What didn't you like About New York? I loved every minute of it. I just was not prepared to make a living there. Make a living there or just

be in that scene and expect anyone to call me because I didn't know shit. Oh my God. Damn. So you moved back to Richmond. You said, I'm done here. You were what, 23? Yeah, something like that. No, I was 21. Then you started following Carl Denson around? That's later, I guess. Isn't that how you got what 23? Yeah something like that. No I was 21. Then you started following Carl Denson around?

That's later I guess. Isn't that how you got the gig? He knows your life. We should ask Nick. So tell me what happened. Yeah I went back to Richmond and I was 21 and I started a residency at a bar called Cafe Diem and

just played there every Tuesday night for almost 10 years. And that is where I learned to be a showman. That's where I learned to hone my craft as a front man. And that's when it became this thing that everyone in Richmond would come. There would be a line around the block every Tuesday. It got to the point where I was comfortable in that room and I could cut my teeth. I could shed new stuff that I couldn't just take to anyone else because I knew everyone that was in the audience. It was like home turf.

And then the tiny universe came to town. I'd say this was like 2004. And we got a chance to open for him. It was the first time I ever met Carl. And after being in his band, Carl doesn't really watch the opening band. He's never seen me. I voted for Carl

so many times and he finally saw me on Jam. He was like, John Staten, the drummer was standing side stage. I covered your song. Yeah,

right. John, the drummer at the time was standing side stage during my band set. I think he went and got Carl off the tour bus and brought him.

Next thing I look over and like, Carl's standing there watching my set, called him over. He sat in, he asked me to sit in on his set and then we're just shooting the shit on his tour bus at the end of the night. And he was like,

what are you doing tomorrow night? And I was like, nothing. He was like, we're playing and didn't have an opener on the run. So he was like, come with us to Raleigh. So we like followed him,

the tour bus in our little van went to Raleigh. Then we went to Charleston and then we went to Atlanta. He kept inviting us to open up for like every night, because that's back when he was doing two four-hour sets. So we became, until I actually had a gig, and I was like, dude, we got to go home. So we exchanged numbers.

How many of those shows until you said, I got to go home? We did five extra shows. We were only opening one show, and we followed his bus for five shows. That's crazy. I had to go back to virginia because i had another gig i had to do and this guy carl would actually like call me and check on me he's like yo like how's everything going like that's cool i was like man this is that's dopey i'm going good and i started to build a name and we started to be at the same festivals and 2011 six years of

just shooting the shit yeah Yeah, shooting the shit. And then 2011, I got a call from his manager asking me if I could sub for Brian because Brian couldn't go to Canada for whatever reason. I don't know. Who we got? There's reasons. Bad boy. No, they're pretty hard about that.

They're hard about that. I know what the reason is, but I'm not going to do Brian like that. Even if you only have like a little... They won't let you in if you have like even like a little DUI. DUI, you can't go to Canada. Oh, yeah. Beats couldn't go to Canada.

If you have back child support payments, like you can't go into Canada. Yeah. They don't fuck around in Canada. Yeah. And yeah, we had to pay like thousands extra dollars just so my drummer could go to fucking... Yeah. Can't exit a DUI. Took out his pay.

Oh, you better check out. That's what I did. Carl's manager hits me up. Like a real boss. He clapped of his pack. Oh, you better. So, Carl's manager hits me up. Like a real boss. I'm clapping for myself. I don't have headphones, but I figured you did. I love that only you can hear the sound of things that are going on here. I'm in control.

I'm the captain. He went solo on the boat. So, tell me more about this. So, it took six years. So, do you feel like something was shady? It's like like why am i subbing for this one show you're like this is my chance right no no it's completely just saw as brian put my name in the hat and he needs me to come through for him so i'll talk to carl's

manager first i'm able to do the gig and then i talked to carl and i was like yo send me the set list i'll get it down because there's no rehearsal i I got to fly to Canada at this festival. And then Carl sends me this absurd amount of music. Like, I'm talking maybe like 30, 35 songs. Way more than one gig. Yeah.

It's just like a 90 minute set. I was like, what the fuck is going on? So I canceled my week of shows and I stayed in my apartment, learned all these shows, flew up to Canada,

met the guys and Carl was like, I'm going to write the set list. Like, what songs do you know? I was like, I know all of them. And he kind of like smiled at me and I was like i'm gonna write the set list like what songs you know i was like i know all of them and he kind of like smiled at me and i was like no dude like he was testing i know all of them yeah i'm not gonna like yeah come to this gig of this band i've highly admired for so long like unprepared writes the set list this kind of like biblical style

windstorm or something comes in they cancel oh my god yes i love the world that is like my very first gig with the tiny universe i don't even get to play a single note most prepared you've ever been for anything in your life he paid all this money to like switch flights and like get me your work visa and like so i so I guess there was. Did they get paid? I did get paid. I got paid for a gig and I didn't play a single note. My very first Tiny Universe gig, I didn't play a note. You can ask him about this.

You probably wouldn't have got the gig if you didn't say, yeah, I learned every song. Well, the thing is, another festival came up in Canada that they needed me for because Brian couldn't come. And it was in Ottawa. And I ended up playing that festival gig. At the end of that gig, Carl pulled me aside and offered me the job to be in the band.

I wonder if that was your audition. The whole thing was an unstruck audition. There must have been some animosity between Carl and Brian. I don't know what went down. I never asked. You know what it kind of sounds like? It kind asked because I got all the next time I see him.

You know what it kind of sounds like? It kind of sounds like you're a guy that got out of the friend zone. You were like friends with him for a long time and you always wanted to be a band and he finally got your shot and then he...

When is he going to let me smash? And he didn't fuck it up. It's kind of what happened. It sounds a lot like a guy that's had a crush on a girl for you're talking all the time. Did you always want to be in the band or was it like a cool idea?

A friend of mine told me this. I saw the Tiny Universe in a festival in Maryland. And I guess I ate a lot of mushrooms. I had some moonshine probably. Hell yeah. I turned to him and I said, I'm going to be in this band.

My friend told me I said this and he sticks by it to this day. I don't remember it, but he's like, you saw me during this festival. You looked up in the middle of the stage and said, I'm going to be in this band. My intuition can be high sometimes,

but I remember seeing him again in Charlottesville, and I put my solo CD on stage. And I remember Chris Stilwell taking it. And then, you know, these little things kind of came into play in my life. And I guess I put it out in the news. I said that about 25 bands and it never comes true. Remember when you said

you were going to be in Lettuce 10 years ago? Well, that was stupid, huh? That was pretty dumb of you to say that. Now I'm not allowed 150 feet within that band. We got to stop giving you

fucking uppers, bro. Yeah, Benny Boompay gave me a restraining order. Exactly. That's wild. So then, Time Warp, what were the best years of Denson's, like, the shows with Denson when you were in the band?

Like, the biggest, like, what's the biggest show you guys ever did together? Oh, man. We started doing a Stones tribute. Oh, yeah. And that was a lot of fun. We brought in, like, Anders Osborn for that. Cool, cool. And, yeah, it was dope.

And then we played at the Belly Up in Solana Beach. And fucking Prince Harry showed up to the gig for our Stones tribute. The son of the King of England? Yeah. So like we left Belly Up for soundcheck. I come back to do the show. And there's this huge British guy stopping me. You know those back doors you go into the Belly Up?

He stops me. And I'm just like, I'm playing for the tiny universe tonight and i have to go through a whole security i mean it's like secret service going on here then i finally get in and i do like prince harry's like in town he's doing helicopter training in san diego oh yeah i heard we're doing the stones tribute and he's like up in that like left balcony area yeah looking down the stage like this whole entourage and it's like got to play for the Prince. Did you meet him?

I didn't get to meet him, no. Did Carl? We did send up a tray. I sent up a tray at Tequila Shot. That's funny. I got to cheer him on from the stage.

That's my boy. We love to see it. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah, man. I've gotten to play with John Oates of Holland. I've gotten to play

with a lot of my heroes from being in the Tiny Universe and like, and got to make friends with a lot of them because of this band. And you and like, and got to make friends with a lot of, a lot of them because of this band. And you learn professionalism. You learn how to fucking be a pro.

You learn how to, you know, be a rock star. Run a band. What's it like? You ever get into any drug problems? Who? You?

Me? Yeah. Not till the pandemic. Oh, really? Not till you move to Denver. Welcome to the club. Denver's like Until he moved to Denver. Denver's like the opposite of the Betty Ford clinic.

I saw a meme like, you can't find yourself just because you moved to Denver. You actually probably lost yourself three years ago. If you ever found yourself wherever the fuck you are, then you're going to be looking a very long time. So where's Wado West? So you had a bad drug problem

during the pandemic? Yeah. I felt like when all that was stripped away from us, the music, doing shows, and I just had to sit with myself. I was drinking more and doing more drugs than I ever have in my entire life. Because, you know, I was just felt lost. I felt lost. And I was like, I'm good at music and I'm good at partying.

And I only have partying. And I was like, I'm good at music and I'm good at partying. And I only have partying. And I dove into it very deeply. And it was at that same year, August 23rd, 2020, I had my last snort and drink and everything. I quit everything cold turkey, which I would not advise. How hard was that? It was hard. I moved back to Virginia for a little bit.

I remember that. Yeah. And I looked in the mirror and I didn't like the person that I saw. And I was like, you know what? I'm done. None of this serves me anymore. Did you have to tell your parents? Did you go to rehab?

You didn't know that? No, I didn't go to rehab. I think that's that control. You said, I got this. I got this. Yeah. Damn, cold turkey, everything? Everything.

Even cigarettes. Yeah. All at once. Wow. I did that. Yeah. And that's when I used all those government checks to buy studio equipment.

I started making solo records. So tell me about this time in Richmond. Because you do... Now, this all makes sense. This is why you fall for women very hard. Yeah. DJ Paul. I always see DJ, every girlfriend, right away.

I'm with baby schnuggums right now. You're always like that. I love love, man. They're all good looking. I'm just kidding. They are all beautiful women. He has a current one that I like very much. I don't want to make it seem like he's a... No, but yeah, she's super sweet. But now

I understand why you kind of need that. Maybe you're just like insecure about who you were as a person, and you need someone to tell you they love you. Yeah, and I think maybe also I need to show love, and I need something to cradle just as much as I do music. I don't see the two being that much different. And maybe that's why, because of the pandemic,

you didn't have music. You didn't have something that you had a warm blanket with. Yeah you felt lost absolutely thank god you went solo now this makes sense yeah man thank god because and it's got to be hard to be second field to the rolling stones yeah right yeah that's hard oh yeah did your game like get like if if carl has a gig with stones he has a cancel we we had a summer i can't it was maybe 2019 where our entire summer went away because they were like maybe we're going on tour maybe we're not everything is so like hush hush in that world yeah it's like well if if we're not going on tour like i need to know because this is like the highest right this is a big chunk of my income and then we didn't hear anything and then all all of a sudden, last minute, they decided. So then even more last minute, it was like May, an entire summer of festivals and 40s all went away.

And I was just like, okay. How do you make money? I got bills too. Yeah. So you have to kind of have to. That's got to be extremely hard because Carl can't say no to the Stones. Yeah, we don't want him to say no to that. But it was just like, yeah, the first They did They did take care of all of us

Yeah Oh that's cool It was dope After that it was just like Yeah you guys are on your own Yeah So you have to do that But we're happy for Carl

And there's no You can't be Anybody in the band Hits like The biggest band in the world Yeah My man go do your thing What are you gonna do

We get it Tell a guy not to play the role So when you told Carl You're going solo When you told Carl You're going solo Was when you told Carl you're going solo, was he pissed at first or no? No, it was a really hard call to make though.

yeah, I, I had to build that up for a few days and like using the right words. Cause you know, like I, I owe a lot to that man. And I've, I wanted to keep an amicable,

amicable relationship between me and him for a lifetime. Really? Yeah. Man, that'd be hard. Yeah. He's like, yes, I can replace him with someone cheaper. Yeah. I've been replaced by anybody to this day.

Oh, he hasn't really been doing gigs, has he? He's been doing gigs, but Ricky Giordano, who's the second guitar player, I guess, has kind of stepped up. Oh, they're just doing one guitar. Yeah. Going back to one guitar. Even cheaper. You're like, Ricky, I could have been the second guitar player, I guess, has kind of stepped up. Oh, they're just doing one guitar. Going back to one guitar. Even cheaper. You're like, Ricky, I could have been the only guitar player. Wait a second.

We could have been doing one guitar this whole time? Well, you know, that band is, that's the sound of what that band is. And after I did get off the phone from telling him that I was going to do my own thing, I felt this huge just weight just lifted. I was like, okay, I'm ready. Now I'm in this. Now I'm committed to staying with this and being a man of my word.

Right, because you have to. Hell yeah. I mean, once you go there, you can't go back. You can't say you want to quit and then say, oh, no, no, no, it's hard out here. I want the bottle back. You know how it is, man. I say it all the time Carl

Shit Yeah So You're in Richmond Yeah You cold turkey drugs You cold turkey everything What was the first song that came out?

Every Day is Love What is it about? Every Day is Love is Putting everything aside Putting your own ego aside And always seeing the best in everything and everybody. Because at the end of the day,

that's all you have. It's the very first song on the short stories record. And I still play it almost every show to this day. And were you writing that song for yourself? Yeah. Like, I love, yeah,

that's sad. I love you. I hope you know that you're kind of happy too, though. Thank you, man. But every day is love. He's convincing himself that what love is. But the message is good, though. It's an uplifting message that everybody does have good in them.

You were going through a hard time, weren't you? I was, yeah. Did your parents know? Did anyone know? My friends? I don't know. I don't talk about The low parts of my life I'm like I'm not that open I know

It's just like You know I like talking through things But I'm more of a listener I love listening I can listen all day long But when it comes to me Everything is very inward

For me So no one knew You were having a hard time No You kept that shit in I kept it to myself That's what the music's for bro Yeah but like

I could They knew when You could see in your eyes. I stopped doing all the drugs. I knew. I was like, man, I gotta end all this. Damn, there was a lot of coke you're doing. I don't remember you doing that much coke. No, it was just, it was just there because it was just, it's always around. Yeah. Yeah, I would've never said you were

like some like, you know. I remember one time I was coked up at your house. Yeah. I broke the chair. Yeah, that's right. I send you the picture of the new chair. And it was during pandemic. That was when I was starting to get a little saucy with the sauce. And I didn't have any, really had a lot of friends. I didn't meet you yet. I'm like, so I was rolling the DJ's apart. Everything came together when he met me. Cracked down. I broke a chair. I'm like, fuck. I gotta buy him a new chair. I'm just all cracked up. Welcome to Denver. Your chair's great, by the way, though. Thanks for asking. No problem. Sorry. He's going to invoice you for new chair. I'm just all cracked up. New chairs are great, by the way, though. Thanks for asking.

No problem. He's going to invoice you for that chair. I hope he does. And the funny part is there's a sticker that said, chair is broken. Well, then you didn't break it then. No, but it was my fault. I bent the fuck out of it. That's funny as hell.

Damn, I didn't know you were going through it like that in your head. Were you with anyone? Were you alone? Did you have a girl in Richmond during the the pandemic i was living with in richmond because i remember a distance and when i decided to get out of denver in the beginning i moved in with her yeah yeah so now you have four now you have four albums you do so how what are you writing about between the first record and the fourth record, what has been the change of theme through the lyrics? Well, the big thing is I'm actually writing more lyrics.

I'm not really doing a lot of instrumental music anymore. Writing lyrics has always been my weakest point, and I'm trying to strengthen that muscle. And this last record that I have by way of RVA, which is kind of like paying homage to my roots of richmond it's it's gritty and it's raw and it's like it's a rock record it's it's a rock record right right yeah i've always been like that person you didn't do horns and stuff on this one right yeah yeah like more of a straight ahead yeah tell me about the culture of richmond music i feel like it's so enriched. It really is. And it's just like...

Enrichment. There's no... It's enriched in Richmond. Butcher Brown's from there. I mean, there's some great... Dave's Schools. Oh, he's from there? I didn't know that.

Just Virginia. D'Angelo, right? D'Angelo's from Richmond. Yeah. What's it about Richmond? I really do love that city. I don't know. I think it's...

To me, it's always kind of been this untouched kind of hidden gem of cities in the u.s right and i think it's what's helped that live and evolve is because it's it's this own ecosystem within itself and it does we don't have it's like eyes prying in from the outside like austin right right right so i think that really kind of helps make it our own. So we have this self-pride and we challenge each other

and we enrich each other. And it's like we have this thing that we know we're not being eyes are seen from the outside so we're free to express ourselves without any judgment. And I think that's, in my mind,

me personally, that's where I think. Richmond and Indianapolis kind of have the same vibe. There's something going on. There's a crossover. They're both very diverse, like racially. I mean, just the Virginia scene.

You got Pharrell. You got Dave Grohl. I like that we said day schools before D'Angelo. I do like that. Jam band podcast. You know what podcast we are, motherfucker. We're trying not to be a jam band podcast. Play the demographic. Play the goddamn demographic.

No, we're not a jam band podcast. Day schools, D'Angelo Man that's wild So when did you move back to Denver How many years did it take you to finally have the balls To come back to Denver It was only half a year, maybe 8 months Because I miss Denver

I love Richmond and I love Going back and it will always be Home for me and I will always appreciate The person I am, the musician I am For that culture but I felt Stifled there, I felt like I couldn't grow Unless I got out, I went to LA first Yeah I saw that

I moved to LA in 2015 and I moved to Denver In 2018 I've been here since Yeah we're on the same time I did it What a fucking life So now you're in Denver And you're going on tour with your band.

When's the album come out? March 1st. March, damn, that's coming up. Yeah. Are you nervous, excited?

What's going on? I'm not nervous. I'm already working on the next because that's how I need to be. Fucking psychopath. I know. This is my drug now. Thank God.

This is your drug. It is, man. You don't drink at all anymore either? No. What, still? I quit coffee. That was crazy. Holy shit. Thank God This is your drug It is man You don't drink it all anymore either? No Still I quit coffee That was crazy And you got us coffees

I did Man That didn't relapse you? I quit coffee Yeah But I got It's My coffee

It's not good for my anxiety And my sleep was all fucked up Yeah Yeah That was the only two things I quit that And everything's changed Completely 180

Yeah But now I'm hooked on T so what's the new record called By Way of RVA By Way of RVA so how many songs are on it six songs

six songs yeah I did it all myself and to do is this the one with Kniek on it no that's the last

that's last year's record okay that was a good one that is yeah so who do you have on this record any collabs

or just you nope just all me I did everything. Did you play the drums and everything? Play the drums. Oh, you did it all. The bass, the keys, the guitars, all the vocals.

I didn't know you did everything. And I mixed it. Wow. Doug Krebs mastered it. Yeah, yeah. What'd you learn about mixing after your fourth record now? To not overthink anything. Yeah, less is more.

Yeah. Yeah, that's the main thing. I've recorded all these parts. And then when I'm done i've actually have too much because i want to just i've worked at cutting away i just keep cutting away cutting away yeah and next you know yeah i'm just like oh this is it this is the meat and bones of the song how many songs did you write and record to pick the best six or you just said you first six and we'll move on for this record for soldier of love i recorded like 20 and i picked move on for this record for Soldier of Love I recorded like 20

and I picked 10 and then this record I just went in the studio and six is I stopped at six because I was literally exhausted yeah

and I was like this is done this is the record I'm how long were you in the studio for I was like it's like you know when four I mean you gotta do four takes

for every I think I'm tired now it's a separate take I think I'm gonna go home like, you know when Forrest Gump talks I mean, you gotta do four takes for every song. I think I'm tired now. It's a separate take. I think I'm gonna go home. Like, that's that's literally how I decided it's gonna be sick.

Drums first? All drums first. Yeah. So you had songs. Yeah. And then you so you didn't record this at your home studio.

You went to a studio No, everything was done at home. If you listen close to some of these songs you can hear my cell phone going off you can hear people

like my girlfriend opening and closing the bathroom door. It's it's like it's actually but it's like i left it in there because that's what makes it wrong yeah kind of dope yeah i love it uh rva made in denver yeah yeah by way of rva yeah by way of what do you like about denver why do you love denver so much um a lot of it reminds me the music it reminds me, the music community reminds me of the music community I had in Richmond. You know, like musicians like yourself, we all go out to each other's shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love that. And everyone comes to Denver. It's like comedians, Broadway shows, musicians. You can't not. So it's a rich culture that's here. And Colorado supports live music probably more than any other city I've ever been to. I'd like to

break some news. At the auction, when you heard Scott Morrill ripping guitar solo, it was actually DJ Williams. What? I thought it was Scott. Thank you for doing that. That was fucking amazing.

Did Scott thank you? Because you made him probably get some pussy that night. He did thank me. And also that playing guitar behind the bass was like an introvert's wet dream. I was like,

this is fucking awesome. This is like the most comfortable sit-in. I did feel bad that I didn't give you any love for you ripping this thing. No, no, no. It ruins the bit if you do that. This is what? This is the love. I'm here.

And you made it known to the people. Yeah, we got it. It was too good of a bit. People were like, yo, I didn't know Scott was such a ripping soloist. People fell for it. People fell for it hard. People are not smart.

We had one 10-second talk, like, side stage. I was like, I'm going to start off slow, then keep up. And that kind of pushed him out to the stage. He came in fake guitars. He came in fake guitars because you can real guitar. He put his hair down. I've never seen him put his hair down. Me neither.

He was loving it. He got a tiny taste. And that's what also makes this community so special are the guys like Scott Morrow who give us the platform to play Scott Morrow is one of the greatest human beings in the music world

really is amazing and I live down the street from Cervantes he's using this mug all the time and he's been so open and just generous to me at that venue than anybody could ask for. Yeah. True. Well, I'm honored to share the streets of Denver with you, buddy.

Yeah, me too. We have a good, we got a good scene here. I do. We have a good community. You know, it's like I was always back and forth if I'm going to leave. I don't think I'm going to leave. It's a good community as long as we don't let any new people in. Yes.

All you peasant musicians out there, don't be coming out here with your peasant music. There's no more gigs, guys. Everything sucks. All the gigs are closed. Yeah, all the gigs are closed. There are gigs. We're the best. I've got a little news drop.

What do you got? Hold on. He's pregnant. Coming in for summer tour, I've snagged Goose's old drummer, Mr. Ben Atkins. Whoa! That is...

Wow, Ben, he got a gig. I put a little cold call into him. Oh, you called that right away, didn't you? I bet you called him right away. I was like, what are you doing this summer? Ben's a man. I got to say, your voice is all high, so you know what I'm saying. Oh, man.

He's a man. I can't wait to see ben in a forerunner he probably did that for nine years i'm gonna step it up for ben a little bit no no fuck that no keep him humble he did the hard way for like nine years he did the hard way for a long time but i love that dude he's the homie and he's the home and i'm really stoked to see to hear these tunes what he's gonna do with these tunes it's gonna be he's a fucking badass yeah well this is exciting i got got Ben from Goose. Who else is in the band?

Well, I like to rotate some cats out. So I've got Nico Williams. He's from Virginia. He's going to be doing a lot of the tour with me. His father was the drummer in the Wailers. He's an amazing drummer from Virginia. I've got

Jiho Han coming out with me. Local guy in Denver. Cool. Dominic Williams. I got all the Williamses with me. I love it. No relation? No relation.

Yeah, it's Young Gospel. So you're not going to call it Shots Fired anymore? No, I retired the Shots Fired name permanently. Yeah. There's a lot of sensitive yokes out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? I found the name offensive, bro.

Like shootings, you know? I lost gigs. I lost festivals. Sensitive yokes out there. Yeah. What? Found the name offensive, bro. Like shootings. Yeah. I lost gigs. I lost festivals. Sensitive wokes or didn't like the name? Bro, I lost. You're speaking of the choir, bro.

Cosby Sweater. Yeah, don't even get me started on that. Oh, yeah. His name was Cosby Sweater. I'm not going to say what festival, but they took me off the bill

because of my band name. Are you for real it's pretty wild because shots fired isn't even about started it's not yeah shootings it's about when you make a comment took it as if i was advocating gun violence yeah yeah i'm pro gun violence come to my show single song what's like who's pro gun violence yeah by my record i'm pro gun violence it's not a stance it's not a marketing ploy. I don't know. But just, you know, once it got to the point that I was like losing festival work,

I was like, all right, this time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not a fight for me. Yeah. So I retired. And let's, you know,

it's like, if we're going to go full sell, put your dick out there, go to T.J. Williams and call it a day. Yeah. Fucking love it.

That's bull. You have a good name too. Yeah, you have a really good name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still get people saying Art Farmer. Change it because That's bull. You have a good name too. Yeah, you have a really good name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still get people saying Art Farmer. Change it because it's confusing. Yeah.

My goal is to get famous enough that people start to think that every DJ is a guitar player. I love it. Oh, it's confusing. Oh yeah, does that ever happen to you? As a DJ. As a DJ, yeah.

Do people ever think you're going to be a DJ? All the time. I've showed up. I've rolled up to gigs with like the table on the stage. I'm probably selling more tickets. You asked me for a stage plot,

and here we go with the DJ shit again. It has worked in my favor. Exactly. His wings are out. He's ready to fly, people. Is it fun being really tall on stage? It is. I've always wanted to be really tall. It looks so awesome. I'm not going to lie. It doesn't suck.

Do you have a big dick? Huge. I fucking knew it. What if he's like, no. My family's from Africa. That's a whole thing. Fucked. So, Andy, you're good looking.

You're tall. Tall. You're talented. You're going solo. I'm so happy for you. This is good. Thank you. Thank you.

I'm sober. I know when you were first talking about this a couple years ago, you were a little nervous about it. I was. I'm glad you're owning it and you're ready to fucking go and take off. The music, like I said, at the end of the day, the music's going to speak for itself. That's what I'm relying on.

Thank God. DJ Williams, thanks for being on the show. Thanks for having me. I'm stuck, bro. Go get his new record, guys. Come fill these empty rooms. Come fill these empty rooms. Price to move.

Come on. We need the world-saving bump for these tours. Don't give him any bumps, though. I won't take your bumps. That's the world-ending bump. We want the world-saving bump. The world-ending bump, yeah. Thanks to both of you guys. Huge fans of both of you, and I'm very

honored to be here. We're all in this together. I'm sorry it took so long. I don't want to be tall so bad, though. I can't stop thinking about how tall I want to be. You're such a good-looking man. Thank you, man. I grew up in basketball country, and everybody's so tall there. I grew up, I'm just like, I'm like a Jewish troll. Everyone's like 5'10". Everyone's exactly 6' in LA, I feel like.

Everyone's exactly 6'4". Or 5'4". I wish I was tall with just a dong. Just tall. Just have an afro. You have an afro. I got a fro. But I want this.

That's the worst thing of the three. Look at the threads. You got the fucking... I used to fro it up with you. I know. You used to have a afro. You have an afro. I got a fro. But I want this. That's the worst thing of the three. Look at the dreads. You got the fucking... I used to fro it up with you. I know. You used to have a nice fro. But this, I like this look. The dreads is dope.

Thanks, man. Yeah. Did it take a while to get comfortable wearing dreads? No, it's hot though. I bet. It's 10 degrees hotter. It's fucking so hot. On stage, when those lights are on you, you're like, fuck, dude.

These dreads are heavy. It actually takes a whole day to dry too what about showering do they get heavy yeah super heavy because there's like sponges yeah

just like holy shit you can get dreads we should get Denzel dreads let's get Denzel let him gross out we're not getting

you groomed this month DJ we're excited for your career we can't wait to see what happens in the next couple years I got one last question for you

and I'll let you go you know when it's all said and I'll let you go. When it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? I want to be remembered for evoking emotion in anyone who's been

around my realm. It doesn't have to be positive, but I want to move people. I want to move through life moving people. I want to be thought-provoking to those around me. God damn it. He's a poet. He said, God damn it.

He's a fucking poet. I want it to be bad. I want it to be bad. And you're tall. And you're tall. And you're tall. And you're a poet. Fuck.

I want to be remembered as a super tall guy with a huge cock. And that's it. Everybody's got a dream. Put it on my tombstone. Everybody super tall guy with a huge cock. And that's it. Everybody's got a dream. Put it on my tombstone. Tall, huge cock. We're excited to see your career and anything you need from us, man. Just let us know. I appreciate that.

Unless it's money. Unless it's money. I want this for money. DJ Williams, everybody. Love you all. Yeah. You tuned in to the World Surfing Podcast with Andy Fresco. Thank you for listening to this episode. Yeah. wherever you're picking this shit up. Follow us on Instagram at World Saving Podcast for more info and updates. Prescott's blogs and tour dates

you'll find at andyfrescott.com. And check our socials to see what's up next. Might be a video dance party, a showcase concert, that crazy shit show, or whatever springs to Andy's wicked brain. And after a year of keeping clean and playing safe,

the band is back on tour. We thank our brand new talent booker, Mara Davis. We thank this week's guest, our co-host, and all the fringy frenzies that help make this show great. Thank you all. And thank you for listening. Be your best, be safe, and we will

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