Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - BONUS EP: Don McCloskey

Episode Date: June 21, 2024

Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around every once in a while, you could miss this BONUS episode coming at ya! Better late than never, right? We got singer/songwriter, Don McCloskey on the pod today! Settle in. Take a deep breath. Drink some water.  And guess what... You can watch full episodes of our show *exclusively* on Volume.com now in color!  Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker

All right, all right. Happy Friday, everyone. You're listening to the Angel Frasco's World Saving Podcast. A bonus episode. Yes, yes, yes. I want to get, I'm trying to get all these interviews out before the end of the year. And I want to get this one out. My boy, Don McCloskey, he's the man. Philadelphia. What can I say more about Philadelphia? Everything about Philadelphia,

I love. The musicians, the athletes, the insane locals, it all. And Don is one of the best songwriters out there. He was on our live podcast in Philly. I became really close friends with him. We shared some cigarettes and partied all night. His band's killer. I really want to spotlight some new bands that I fall in love with. So ladies, I hope you love this. Chris, play some of Don's music and let's get this party started.

All right, guys. Enjoy another episode. Bonus ep of this year's World, or this week's World's Hitting Podcast. What's up, Don? And against all odds, they believe that they will Get a little closer to God, I don't care, devil What's up, Don? How you doing, buddy? Dude, doing good now, man. Man, technical difficulties can fuck up a whole day, can't it? It's true, but we didn't let it. No.

We're here. Not today, devil. That's what we say. Not today. Not at all. Not today, devil. That's what we say. Not today. Not at all. So, I try to look up a lot of stuff about you, and there's not a lot on the internet. I don't exist on the internet, man. I exist in real life. I love it, so I'd like to hear about it. You're from Philly?

I'm from Bristol, Pennsylvania, right outside of Philadelphia. So, 25 minutes north, right along the Delaware River, Bristol, Pennsylvania. That's dope. Who inspired you to really start getting into music? Two of my uncles were musicians. One was an Irish folk singer and Celtic. He was a tenor, an irish irish tenor and multi-instrumentalist knew a million songs and so he was the first person i saw playing and i was like i want to do that um and then my other uncle was a uh a mc he was a he was a rapper in Bristol In the 80s Which was rare

There were not a lot of rappers in Bristol in the 80s So kind of between those two That was like A mixture between Folk music and Not kind of hip hop Yeah I'm pretty close with G Love

I heard stories that he Was really, he was one of your first takers on for your music. How'd you meet G Love? Yeah, dude. I knew G's music. We all knew G's music because he was the first person who was playing like the music we were listening to on an acoustic guitar. Yeah. like the music we were listening to on an acoustic guitar yeah or on a guitar and we were like oh man that's that's where it's at uh so i would knew his music and then when i started writing and playing i was in new york at that point but uh his cousin was like managing at the time getting into management he heard my my music heard the album i put it out uh gave it to g and so i loved it brought us out on tour brought me out on tour and um that was like my first like run and first intro to like the music game music world yeah

did you play with him or was it were were you making records? I was just, Oh, I was opening solo acoustic. What's that? That's fucking sick. So, yeah. So it was coming out,

like we were playing the Midwest, um, you know, like those, you know, 1500, you know, vaudeville theater kind of vibe.

And I was like backstage, like, what did I get myself into with an acoustic guitar? And just would go out and play the shows. And people responded to it well. That was like first time playing for crowds of that size and that kind of thing. How do you approach, because your albums are so eclectic. There's so many things going on in your records. How do you approach an acoustic show without having the opportunity of having that fucking, you know, that wide sound that you have?

Most of the time, they usually start off with either an acoustic guitar or a piano or a drum machine or some kind of like scratch. And then they get fleshed out in the recording, like in the studio. And then I play with the band mostly. But when I play acoustic, I just play them the way that they were originally written. Oh, great. So you're always writing the song just on acoustic. And then how many other instruments do you play? What's in your head when you're thinking?

You have so many different sounds on these songs. It's fucking awesome, dude. I love your records, man. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Mutual respect. Mutual admiration society. I like how many instruments do i play is that yeah we're saying yeah like so i play acoustic guitar it's the only thing that i feel

like i can really say that i play is the guitar yeah everything else i use to write so i will write on the piano i will write on the drums i will write uh programming drum machines i will write uh one of the songs has kalimba um i will write on a kalimba there's i always kind of like we'll just pick up instruments and see if they inspire me to go into a new path right so but i wouldn't call myself a a multi-instrumentalist that plays all of those instruments. I use them all to write songs. Does that make sense?

Yeah, totally. So you're basically a composer. I'm a singer-songwriter, composer, producer. That's amazing. So what was the first song where you felt like you were starting to get a grasp of this idea of composing versus just being a singer-songwriter with a guitar? First of all, I probably kill the lights man i feel like kill the lights was on the third record the first two records were like three chords in the truth and not not even the truth it's just like you know three chords and like you know rhyming and imagery and storytelling at a rapid pace and just like, kind of like bruising through the process, you know? And I feel like Corporal Spirits was the first record

where I wrote like a bridge that had a musical departure and a return and was like, oh man, that's like, that's what that is. That's what all of my, that's what all my songwriting musical heroes are doing. So I've been leaning into that direction ever since. But that's what all of my that's what all my songwriting musical heroes are doing so i've been leaning into that uh direction ever since but that's probably who are your heroes uh i mean it's throughout time it's changed but the ones that are always there like the beatles were the first like i listened to everything from the beatles and was and all that eclecticism that you were talking about like i love that i love the idea that you can write a song and then take it anywhere you can take it in any direction right uh so that was like very influential then dylan i devoured every dylan record and wanted to write like five verses with no chorus and

just write these long, like, you know, folk, uh, folk songs. And that was, uh, hugely influential. Um, Paul Simon, all Paul Simon is for the same, same reason. Paul Simon would write a song and then find a sonic universe for it to live in. What sonic universe brings that song and the emotion of that song to life best? Those are really big. Those three are really big. Peter Gabriel, David Byrne.

Yeah, those are. So what's your take on touring then? A lot of these guys are just like really album guys how tough is it to tour now at your age it's hard with the 8 piece band right now that I'm playing with on this record

it's fucking nuts how do you afford that doing very like being specific about the shows we play yeah I mean that's really it we just play about the shows we play. Yeah. I mean, that's really it. We just play like the shows that people are like, okay, like get everybody in. We do a big show.

It's enough to pay everybody. And then we go on to the next one, but it keeps us regional, uh, right now. But, you know, hopefully we can grow it and, uh, take it to other parts of the country. And, you know, part of can grow it and, uh, take it to other parts of the country. And, you know, part of it is being scalable. I have to go play shows solo. Um, whenever I have to, uh, played with a two piece, three piece, four piece, five piece. It's like, you know, KFC, you know, the whole, so what's your approach on taking it outside of regionally?

Like how do you want to taking it outside of regionally like how do you want to take it outside of regionally are you making like social media stuff are you trying to get on tour with bands like what's your approach trying to figure out you know i'm a gen x lad so i didn't come up with social media so like and and i i don't like i treat it with like just i like being genuine with it. It's not my thing. It's really not my thing. I use it to try to connect with people who are trying to find new music and want to go experience live music. That's it. I'm not on there doing a ton of...

I found you off Spotify Weekly. I found you off Spotify Discover Mode. Then I started going deep diving into it. And I was looking at how many monthly listeners you have versus how many fans you have on Instagram. There's got to be a way to translate how to get those monthly listeners to Instagram or to's like, it's such a weird game right now. Don't you agree? I absolutely agree. I mean, like I'm trying to learn as much about it as possible. I don't, I'm not like, you know, I don't, I don't long for like a past situation. I'm trying to figure out like why that is the case. I don't know. Um, I really don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I don't't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why 10,000 people are on Instagram or 30,000

people on Spotify and whatever it is on Facebook. I feel like as musicians, we've got to take the power back and fuck these social medias. How do we just have our own fan bases? Connect with fans.

It's deceiving because How do we just like have our own fan bases, you know? Connect with fans, especially when, I mean, it's deceiving because even though those people are following your account, you don't know who's getting what. Like if you're putting stuff out, you really weren't just all at the whim of the algorithm is in between us and the people who want to hear our music. So I just keep trying to find ways to keep it really simple and just connect with the people who are out there who want to hear this music. So I just keep trying to find ways to keep it really simple and just connect with the people who are out there who want to hear this music.

That's it. That's my approach. Are you married? I am, yeah. You have kids? No kids. Oh, fuck yeah. I'll clap to that.

Let's go. Let's go. I'll free baby. I'll free baby. Yeah. So what is your approach every record? Like, are you, are you making records just to make music?

Are you making albums to try to tour? Like, how do you approach your future when? Dude, I'm literally making this all up as I go along. I have no idea. Like, I feel like everybody, I have no idea. I've just been doing this thing that I feel compelled to do and I do it with whatever however I can at every given moment and then take it to the next thing like so I don't know if that answered your question but yeah I like it starts off with song writing I'm always writing as a way to like process life

and process my emotions and process like the world's insane. Right. I mean, the world feels insane at times and like music helps me to kind of like navigate everything. Um, so I believe that if I'm able to do that, then if I can record it and play it and perform it and people can be involved in that, it can, it can do the same thing for them. So that is at the core of it.

And then that's it. And everything else changes. How it gets to people, how you tour, how you record, how you market music or how you get music out there and how you distribute music, all of that is forever changing. But those things never change. For you. Songwriting helping me process the world,

performing, helping me connect with people through that music, and hopefully people connecting with that music. That's the constant. How long did it take your parents to understand that, that music is what you love in your heart? They are like, you know, bizarrely like down for the whole thing. They're obviously concerned as parents. It's like,

I don't know how you're going to do that or how you're going to survive doing that. But, um, a lot of it is like faith based, like just having faith that like, it's going to be okay. You know, I'm like proceeding with, uh, with faith and what is genuine to you and what is authentic to you. I think once they realized that this was not like something I was like trying out, that this really is like what I'm doing with my life.

I think that became the organizing principle with everybody in my life. Like the, the, you know, relationships in my life was like, Oh, this is who he is and what he's doing. And that's been the case.

And it's the case. How many, what was, who he is and what he's doing. And that's been the case and is the case. How many heartbreaks have you had during revolving the music career that into your mind felt like was a really hit home like, that fucking hurt me? Or none? Well, no, no, no.

There's like frustration with like knowing that when I go play and where I go play, that people respond to the music. Right. Or when I put it out, like you were saying, you heard it and wanted to go deep dive. And that's happening on some scale, some sort. So it's frustrating to know that that's the case and then play a show and have people react and genuinely feel the music and then not have people who can kind of like

organize and scale that who see the vision. So that has been the heartbreak. I see the vision. Yeah. So, uh, that is like, I don't know if it's moments of heartbreak or just my flight. Yeah. So that is like, I don't know if it's moments of heartbreak or just my flight.

Yeah. But that's like, that's probably the biggest frustration. Are visions expectations? Are what? Are visions expectations? I don't know. I mean,

maybe this is just the amount of people who like the music no you know what I mean I'm just saying it's like maybe that's it too I think about that with my music too I'm like why can't we get past this fucking hump and I realize maybe only a few people

like me talking about pussy and drugs you know it's like I don't know it's like you found your people i found my people yeah you found your people no man you got a great thing going on you do too don that's what i'm wondering like how can we blow this thing up because like is it touring like eight piece bands like that's expensive as fuck i had an eight piece band i was going broke like i don't know how you afford paying these guys regionally, you know?

Yeah. I mean, it's, it is definitely a struggle, man. It's definitely like, it's on like, it's almost like,

um, like contracting or something. It's like, okay, all right, we got a gig. Uh, you know,

it's here, here's where it's at. You know, we're all going to get paid. We're all going to, you know, we go here's where it's at you know we're all gonna get paid we're all you know and we go play and we all get paid and no one this is not anyone's like um in the bands like you know living i'm not i'm not hiring eight people like everybody's part of the gig economy we're all part of the gig economy so you're playing is going so you have no other gig do you have a Do you have another job?

I do. I always have another job. I always have multiple things I'm doing so that I don't rely on this and do shit I don't want to do. Right. Within music, you know what I mean? To keep the integrity of what I'm doing, I don't want to just rely on...

Yeah, so I always have some side side gigs side hustles yeah man a lot of recently has been like writing like staying in writing and doing it for like not you know music stuff i'd like like my own music stuff which is cool like what what do you who you writing for you're doing for? I did some copywriting for ad firms. I wrote some jingles for ads. It's like advertising. That's great. Yeah, I guess I'm

not so gone now. You feel fulfilled when you're making art. It doesn't matter what type of art you're making. As long as you're making art or writing or processing art, then you feel like your heart's fulfilled. Well, yeah. I mean, I can kind of, no, I see like a difference between doing something that's like a craft for a purpose and you're trying to achieve a goal.

If it's like a jingle or a song or something for a commercial right it's like there's a client who wants something and you are trying to do that thing that is fine because it's like transactional it's like okay i can do this thing and i get paid and then i can and then the art is like, there is no end result for it. There's no intended result for it. The result is to like create art that is new and interesting and cool for you. And for people who like are looking for that, you know, it's like, try to like find inspiration and create for its own sake yeah where do you find most of your inspiration where does it mostly come from man i i would read a lot i was a english major so i was definitely

more like lyrically um inspired and like you know so so i i find it in reading um i find it in like just going to a museum i try to i try to draw inspiration from other arts instead of like cannibalizing music right i get it if you're like inspired by the medium you're working in it's it can become like um stifling or whatever like you're rehashing the same ideas right so if you go out and just like we're inspired by life inspired by your own life inspired by situations people characters um anything like just going seeing a beautiful vista somewhere being on a mountaintop and being moved and inspired and going snowboarding moving a lot of like motion i find like inspiration like if i'm snowboarding i don't do snowboard yeah a little bit a little bit not really yeah i'm like not a snowboarder, but I love snowboarding.

The freedom of it. What do you like about it? Motion. I feel like when you're moving fast, there's a stillness that comes with it that when you're playing music that mimics kind of like live performance and recording when it's good. That there's kind of like motion and there's movement, but you're still. That's the best thing. I love that.

That's like my favorite. That's to me the greatest. I love that too, actually. And I try to find that in ways where I don't hurt myself. I want to find the motion from, you know, that's why I love, I was really into philosophy, and I could tell you're probably really into philosophy too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Existentialism and stuff. Who are the guys that, who are your philosophers that really inspired you to become you? I mean, man, I... I mean, man, I would have to say, all right, I don't want to come off as I know more about philosophy, to me, is a figure who's almost religious and philosophical. He's basically just asking questions and challenging people to ask questions about what is good. What is good, right?

What is the public good? What is the personal good? What is good yeah what is good right what is the public good what is the personal good what is good not what are the systems that are here and are these systems good and are they serving the public good and i think these are questions we should be asking now more than ever right and i feel that resonates to me um more now than i did when i was like and reading it. And I'm so far from it that I probably am not well-versed enough to talk too much more about it. But I feel like that. Wrestling with and challenging people to understand the world better and to come to

an understanding of what is good. I'll fucking clap to that. Let's fucking go, Don. I don't know, man. We've been a minute. It's been a minute since the talk of philosophy. No, but it's true. So how do you approach that in your own personal brain?

Oh, in my own personal life. Also, Plato's Republic comes up a lot. Like the Allegory of the Cave comes up a lot imagery-wise. In Sunrise, the song off the last record, that's a reference to the Allegory of the Cave of basically not accepting what is being projected, what is being presented to you to try

to go further and try to have a deeper understanding of truth. That's something that resonates as well. So you're always striving to get better is what I'm hearing. Absolutely. This is it. We got a little window here.

We are here for a very short time your music speaks to this like live live now for tomorrow we may die eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we may die another great American philosopher or South African philosopher

it's true is that your same philosophy with love yeah absolutely so how do you how do you uh how do you uh dive deeper into love oh man I mean how do you dive deeper into love like to be truthful and honest and communicate and be passionate, that's the key to all relationships and to love. Is it easier to be passionate for others

versus being passionate with yourself? Talk to me about that. Go ahead. It seems like I'm just meeting you. Yeah. We go back.

Yeah, we go back, Don. But like, I'm like this too, where I could, you know, I could be more passionate with others and not take care of myself. I understand. That I definitely, I had a long period of believing that you can

that I could sustain that where I could where I was I was like an endless reservoir of love for other people and then just didn't take care of the well and didn't go back to the well um no i think yeah i think we in knowing that you are like that um you have to take the time to do the things that fill you up make you feel like in a good place uh mentally, physically, everything, to then to give fully the way that you want to. I feel like that's essential. How do you do that for yourself? Well, I mean, music is part of it. Music, like I was saying, for the mental health aspect of it,

like playing music, recording music is good. Just being with people. I am a big social person. I came from a big irish catholic family on one side italian on the other and the one thing they all had in common was a million people right so it's like uh being with people um sharing and just being part of a group and that kind of thing, like definitely takes off that, like they were alone in this thing. You know, it's like, you just, you can just be part of the whole thing.

You don't have to be the thing. Yeah. It's power and people or power and more. Yeah. And socializing, like just going out. I'm a bar dude. I love going to the bar. Yeah, me too. I love the game. I love being a Philly sports fan. I don't know. Yeah.

Those are things that I enjoy. Do the things that you enjoy. And then playing music is part of that. Yeah, man. I think that... You got a lot of guilt in your family? Catholic and Italian. On both sides. So with the Irish and Italian combo, you have You got a lot of guilt in your family? Catholic and Italian. On both sides.

So with the Irish and Italian combo, you have the self-imposed guilt with the Irish side where you're just like, nothing you do is good enough. You're just like, oh man, I don't know why I did that. It was terrible. And then the Italian side was like the external guilt. It was like, you should have been there. Why weren't you there?

Why weren't you at the party? Do you think guilt drives you. Why, why, you know, why weren't you there? Why weren't you at the party? Do you think guilt drives you? No, no, no. I definitely, um, I've gotten to, I think at points. Yeah, for sure. Especially like, um, growing up, it is definitely like part of it because you don't really know what the hell is going on. Right. As I get older, I feel like if there are things you actually feel guilty about, you have to address where that's coming from and try to address that.

But I definitely don't have, no one has the power to make me feel guilty. If I feel guilty, I will address it and make sure it's right. What about you? Do you feel guilty for not working hard? So you don't work, write a song that day. Do you start feeling guilty or start writing songs? You haven't get that writer's block.

Do you start feeling guilty towards yourself? I don't. No, no, no. I only, because that some of that is, I'll feel guilty if I'm not like,

no, no, no, no. The answer is no. I will. Some of that is not in our control. Right.

So it's like if the song is not there, this was great. I was recording when I recorded Corporal Spirits. Bill Moriarty, the producer, was a big Tom Waits fan. And so I got the story through him i don't know if this is true but tom waits was like early on he was like if i'm like driving and a song is inspiring you pull over on the side of the road and like write it down right it's like if i'm about to go to sleep and a song comes and the muse is there like he would wake up and go write the song or whatever and then like later in his career he would go to his studio and he would he would be there from like eight to five and wait for the

muse he's like i would go there every day the muse knew where to find me and if the muse was there he would write he's like if i'm driving home and the muse shows up i'm like go bother bruce briggs i'm on my way home and i'm like stop with me because it's like you know you can um you can create the environment where you can be inspired but you can you also have control over you know this thing it's like i don't know i have i have other things in my life that i need to do or want to do or and i don't feel guilty about it no yeah have you felt like you ran your opus yet uh no dude i i feel like i'll know um when like right now it feels to me like every record is better than the last.

So when I write the record that's not as good as the last one, I'll know that I wrote my opening. Hell yeah, I'll clap to that too, Don. You know, it's like... It's like you don't know you fell down the cliff until you fell down the cliff. It's true. And then even then, it might actually relieve some of the pressure. Just get a clunker out. Yeah, just get a fucking piece of shit out there.

Some people work hard after you ride a piece of shit. You're like, oh, shit. Exactly. My shit doesn't smell as good as it used to. Zeroed out. Yeah, yeah. What shit doesn't smell as good as it used to. Zeroed out. What's your take on Philly sports fans? Dude, I am one. What's my take?

It's the greatest sports town in the world. I'm obsessed with Philly sports fans. I want to move to Philadelphia. For the good. The everything. It's the passion. I wish I could live that passionately about like i mean i love the lakers but i'm not gonna shit in the on the street or eat horse shit to

fucking celebrate the eagles winning a super bowl you know the thing about police sports man is is it is the air like you breathe it is the water you swim in. It's inescapable. Even if you're not a fan, the seasons are determined by what sports team is playing. So everywhere you go, it's like right now it's pitchers and catchers. It was pitchers and catchers. Now it's like spring training is about to pop off. Yeah. You know, Joel Embiid's down, but like Sixers are making some moves. Yeah. You know, Joel Embiid's down, but like

Sixers are making some moves. Yeah. You know, looking good and Flyers are... Actually, of all the teams, I don't really pay attention to the Flyers. Yeah, that's okay. No disrespect. My brother is in law.

Huge Flyers fan, so they keep me posted. Yeah. And the idea of optimism, too, is like My brother is in law Like huge Flyers fan So they keep me posted And the idea of optimism too Is like a team that's like Never gets the win but they're always in the hunt You know It's like you're a little better than Buffalo Buffalo just always fucking loses

You guys Totally Are you from Buffalo? No but my tour manager is from Buffalo So we root for the Bills sometimes But it's just, yeah, I like a town I like an underdog town Because everyone from Philly that I truly love

Little Stranger, my closest friends out of Philly G-Love They all got a chip on their shoulder Because they're not New York We're fucking Philly You know Exactly I fucking love that

And it shows in their music and it shows in yours too because like i didn't know you're from philly and then i once i heard that i'm like oh shit this totally makes sense dude your music is i really do dig you're one of my most played spotify's man dude that means a lot to me bro i love it man thank you you remind me of caleb holly He's a Brooklyn guy. He's a one-man show, but you could tell that all those ideas from all the different things are coming at you.

Is he a reggae? He's kind of like reggae soul. He's more soul. He's more soul and contemporary. I love it. I want to try to get you as much promo as I can. That's why I wanted to have to get you as much Promo as I can That's why I wanted to have you on the show

I really appreciate it Because we're doing these mini episodes Where I'm trying to help bands Break Get going So that's what I was wondering What's the plan? What's the future plans? You're always going to make new records?

Are you in the process of making a new record? What's going on? We're going to do some touring this year, mostly regionally. Working on a single that I can't even explain. It doesn't fit anywhere in the... I don't know where it fits, but I love the song. The band loves it. We've been playing a lot. So we're going to drop a single this year.

The band loves it. We've been playing a lot. So we're going to drop a single this year. And then we're going to start recording just like individual songs and not go in to make a record and see if it flushes out to be a record. Yeah, that's the move. Fuck it.

It's a single industry. Everyone has ADD now. It's like, why spend all your money on making one record? Best song wins. Let's fucking go. No, for sure. I just love records. I know, me too. It's a fucking bummer, dude.

I know. Do you think it'll ever come back, or do you think our attention spans are just too short now? Well, dude, tell me. I wanted to ask you this. People will listen to this entire podcast. I've listened to full episodes of your show multiple. Like, why won't people listen to a 45 minute record i don't

know i don't hour long podcast i know well i think it's because it's consistent if you make a a record every week i think people will be more inclined that's where it's like yeah people will listen to the record but they'll listen to it for a month and then forget about it because everyone else says you have to constantly put content out because people's attention spans are so fucked. Might as well instead of making a record every month, do a song a month

and just get in the ears of people. Yeah. That's on the internet. It's fucking bullshit, Don. It is bullshit! It's bullshit. Dude, welcome to the fitness. Keep your eyes out and your ears out for Welcome to the Fitness.

I can't wait. Well, Don, thanks for being on the show, bro. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me, Andy. Anytime. You got my number now, so hit me up. And I'll get you on some dates. I'll get you on some dates. Let's do it. Let's go.

What are you doing March 10th? Or March 9th? March 12th, I'm in South by. March 10th, I'm open, baby. What do we got? I'm in Philly. I'm playing the Foundry. I'm doing a live podcast.

We should get you in there to sing a song. Dude, absolutely. Let's do it. All right, cool. I'll text you. I'll text you. I got one last question, Don. I'll let you go.

When it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? Oh, man. Just being remembered, period, would be nice. Hell yeah. I'll clap to that. Let's go. But for real, what do you want me to remember about you? No, I think to have been a plus. Just to have been a plus in people's lives. I think that's like, in whatever way that manifests, you know, because we have different relationships with different people, but I would love if the people who've met me or I've been in their lives or whatever,

I would love if the people who've met me or I've been in their lives or whatever, leave feeling like, you know, it was, they were better because of it. Or I was better because I definitely am better because of it. That's my, that's my hope.

That's beautiful, bro. We'll keep the dream alive. I'll be rooting for on. I'll be reading you on. Keep going, buddy. I'm here.

And anytime you need help, anytime you need help, just hit me up, bro. I got your back. I really appreciate it. Thanks, thanks don have a great one sure take care you too you tuned in to the world's health podcast with andy fresco thank you for listening to this episode produced by andy fresco joe angelo and chris lawrence we need you to help us save the world and spread

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