Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - Corook on Internet Hate, Identity & Starting Over

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

Corook joins Andy Frasco and Nick Gerlach for a candid conversation about viral fame, online hate, creative burnout, and the year that nearly made them quit music. After receiving death threats during... a headline tour and questioning whether they even wanted to keep making songs, Corook found a way forward through a garage recording session with producer Kevin Farzad and James Alan. The result became How Do I Relate To You?, a new EP about staying connected in a world that feels increasingly divided. The crew dives into the stories behind "Scooby," "Kleptomaniac," and "Banana Peel," the pressure of chasing viral success, surviving social media as an introvert, Berklee College of Music, Pittsburgh pride, and why trying to please everyone is a losing game. It's a funny, thoughtful, and surprisingly vulnerable conversation about identity, creativity, and learning to be comfortable as the bent window blind that doesn't quite fit in. Plus: buckwheat pillows, blue-collar cities, internet echo chambers, and Andy's latest war against online trolls. Follow Corook: https://www.corook.com https://www.instagram.com/corook https://www.tiktok.com/@corook

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Unbelievable. We got a star. We got a star in the making over here. Kurok, how are you doing? I'm great. How are you? What a last couple months for you? What was it feeling like when this song was starting to catch fire? Okay, so like I feel like my career was kind of at a complete halt. And top of the year came. Like last year, I released an album at the top of the year. I did a tour. and around the time I was getting a ton of like hate and death threats and I like really didn't know what to do. About what?
Starting point is 00:00:37 About being a queer person, being fat, being non-binary, you know, being bad at music is, you know, like it just could be anything. Who saying this? Give me, give me the receipts. Get me the receipts. Check my comments. It's crazy. Some of the things people say online, it's just, it's just fucking. crazy and I just I was god I I just didn't really I was getting all of this hate right around
Starting point is 00:01:09 this tour this headline tour that I was doing and I was like advertising my location for like the next month and so I just felt like maybe it's not smart for me to advertise my tour in the way that I want to because it's it's kind of going around in this circle of like maga and just like people that really hate queer people, hate trans people. And like we're saying things like, somebody needs to shoot up this concert. Like literally reading those comments. And so I, like, I had to figure out what the hell to do.
Starting point is 00:01:45 I mean, I ended up going on the tour. We upped all the security. It turned out totally fine. It was a wonderful tour. Also, yeah, coming off. You know they really hate themselves. Yeah, fuck these people. They hate themselves.
Starting point is 00:01:59 They're lonely, they're beating off in their fucking basements. No, don't let them get you down. That's totally, that's definitely all that goes. Consider the source. But also, and I think. Yeah, keep going. Oh, no, go ahead. You know, because I'm getting death threats.
Starting point is 00:02:14 I'm in a ban. I'm getting death threats because of being Jewish. And I'm like, I'm not a Zionist. Come on. I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to blow up kids. I know. It's like, yeah. But because.
Starting point is 00:02:28 You're not a member of the Israeli government. I'm not a member of Israel. I'm not massage. Yeah, come on, guys. I'm just a guy who likes to do the horror. You know, like, it's fun for me. Yeah. I get everyone to taste it.
Starting point is 00:02:37 So the stereotyping of being different, but this whole country was built on individuality is kind of this. It's a weird phase in our country right now. They didn't do the reading. Yeah. Right. It doesn't make any sense. And especially like the whole country is apparently built upon the Bible. You know, and it's just like, have you guys read what they say about immigrants in the Bible?
Starting point is 00:03:05 They see immigrants are great. Yeah. Immigants are good. We take care. Oh, wow. I like that. I like that. Like people are welcome here, you know, like, love your fucking neighbor.
Starting point is 00:03:18 You know what I mean? So, yeah, it just doesn't, it doesn't make any sense. But it definitely is scary, you know? So you wrote these tunes. It's hard not to believe it. So you felt like, so how long were you doing it? this for before these tracks start coming in? I've been
Starting point is 00:03:36 at this for almost five years as Karuk. Yeah, it's been a crazy journey. It's been crazy. Were you on the tour? Were you grinding it out on the tour for the first four years? I've done a couple tours. I've done some opening slots. I opened for like K-Flay.
Starting point is 00:03:55 I opened for Bombay Biscuit bicycle club in Europe, which was so fun. Yeah, I have to gone on a few miscellaneous tours and I've done a couple headline. And like honestly I think that the headline last year was I think my first or second full run. Your Indians ain't worrying about
Starting point is 00:04:11 immigrants. Yeah. Come on now. We can learn something. And also America is a melting pot for immigrants and a melting pot for different ideas. Fuck these people. Here's the funny thing is my mom's an immigrant but because I'm white it's not all immigrants. It's certain colors of immigrants they hate the most. Do you know what I'm saying? Oh, just because... When you're a white guy,
Starting point is 00:04:31 just assume you're not, you know what I mean? It's kind of a race thing too, I think, on top of the immigration thing. I know. So how did you approach? So you felt like you were giving up? You felt like there was no traction with your career or what, what, give me your downpoints. It was just kind of like, I don't know how I can. It was a couple things.
Starting point is 00:04:50 There was a business standpoint of just like, I don't really know how to continue to do this if this is going to be the response. Like I just like, I love my life. Oh, you're broke? Am I broke? Were you broke? You're like, you're like, had no money or like... Before the virality.
Starting point is 00:05:06 It's not that I was totally broke. It was just kind of like, I don't... What is the point? What is the point? Yeah. What's the purpose here? Yeah, you're right. And then there was also like the creative side of it, which was just like, how do I
Starting point is 00:05:19 return to something that was like once super healing and just like a beautiful part of my life? And it became like, this is something that could hurt me. me in the future. Like if I write something that is too edgy or puts me out there too much, I can get this backlash, you know? So it's just kind of hard to return to creativity after that. Yeah. Everyone's a fucking keyboard warrior, though. You know?
Starting point is 00:05:49 If they're really going to drive two hours just to stand outside of your show and say, fuck you, then they just, people are kind of. I might just give them the time of day if they did that. Yeah, maybe talk to them. Like, if you come with me at your words, like, just say it to my face. Like, sure. Or like, you want to have a conversation? Stand on business. But also, yeah, stand on business.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Not, don't stand too hard. But also, you're a sweet, you're a sweet person. And your lyrics are beautiful and tender. They're just judging a book by its cover. I guarantee you. The cover's sweet and tender. I know. Come on.
Starting point is 00:06:26 But like, them come to the, like, that's a great idea thing. like you're approaching these people and saying, really? What's wrong with me? Yeah. Everyone will shut the fuck up. Like detail what exactly bothers you about my music. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:43 I feel like we're just so like separated right now because like people over here are hearing one thing about the people over there and then the other people over here are hearing one thing about people over it and it's just like none of it's actually true because none of it is an actual direct conversation with each other.
Starting point is 00:06:58 It feels like so difficult to talk to each other because of how much separation there is. Vacuum. Well, yeah, the vacuum, the echo chamber. Like, we only talk to the people that agree with us. This is the problem right now with our country. It's like we are not listening to the other side that doesn't agree with our takes on things. Yeah, now people are just talking to AI too to even be fully. And then AI is just agreeing.
Starting point is 00:07:22 People are just dating AI. It's crazy. Yeah. And they're just agreeing. Validation's a powerful drug. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:07:29 It's crazy. Seeing like sometimes I'll use a Claude for like, yeah, just to see what he'd say. Hey, Claude, you're. Am I getting old? Am I getting old? No, you're not getting old. You're doing just fine. I'm like, you're a fucking liar.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, so you're three years in, four years in, you feel like, you know, it's not going anywhere. Who gave you the motivation to keep going, keep fighting, keep believing in yourself? Ultimately, I think it was like myself and my therapist. I love that. I'll clap to that. Everyone needs a therapist.
Starting point is 00:08:10 Everyone needs a therapist. A good one. Yeah, a good one. Seriously, that's the asterisk. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I like, I think I had to do a lot of work to figure out why I was doing it, why I was doing music at all, because it was just like, why do it? at all because it was just like why do I get knocked
Starting point is 00:08:29 down so easily by these people that truly I would never give the time of day in person. If they were yelling that stuff at me across the street, I would be like, hey, like, I'm so sorry you're hurt. Like, I hope you feel better. Yeah. And then I'd move on with my fucking day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the actual
Starting point is 00:08:45 fuck? Do you think because we're trained, you know, we're all entertainers here as well because I know we're just new to each other? Do you think it's because we're trained that we need to to have everyone like us that we're like so worried about the few people that don't like us versus all the people that actually love us. Yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 00:09:04 And like, I mean, also, like, I'm just a people pleaser. Just like overall have just been groomed to be, please, everyone around me but myself, you know? And so, like, that combination is just like, I don't know, I think a part of me for a really long time thought that I could make everybody like me. And it just felt like the last year was like that veil kind of totally being ripped off. And like I feel way better because it is. You know what I mean? Like it hurt.
Starting point is 00:09:34 It was it was painful to like learn that. And also I'm like so much freer now. I'm like, oh my God. Thank God I don't need everybody to like me. As long as I like me, I'm going to be chill, you know. Fucking talking about. Let's go. I like to hear.
Starting point is 00:09:50 What was your like college experience like with, you know, did you get a lot of shit in college too or did that more happen like after college? Because you went to Berkeley. It was definitely after college because I don't think I even put myself out there until after college. Hold on which Berkeley. Berkeley the evil Berkeley. Which ones? She went to the music one.
Starting point is 00:10:09 No, I'm talking. I went to the music one. If that's the good one, then that's the one I went to. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, we think it's an evil one, but it's, I don't mind it. No, I don't think it's all right. It's all right.
Starting point is 00:10:19 I just think they, uh... I think that paying for college is just a scam over all. all of them are scammers. This is shit I'm talking about. But I had a really great experience. So like I don't really know. I loved college. It felt like 13th grade.
Starting point is 00:10:35 You know what I mean? Like all of just like your friends having a sleepover for four years. And like, and also everybody did music. And so it was just like, it was just like summer camp for four years. You know what I mean? I wasn't very good in school.
Starting point is 00:10:50 I'll be super honest. I'm sure there's plenty of people that were like, school was so hard school was like I just worked my butt off and I just like I'm gonna be super honest with you I did not work my butt off I just like was so immersed in the experience
Starting point is 00:11:05 of being around musical people for the first time and living on my own for the first time that it was way more of a life experience than a school experience for me were you partying is that in you do you party I was partying
Starting point is 00:11:18 let's go we like that we like that that's what college is for That's what we do is I was partying and also I was just I was a super shy kid Like I grew up really shy And even in college
Starting point is 00:11:32 I think I was I was pretty shy But I like found a lot of people There that felt like Ken You know what I mean that I felt like I could be myself around And that was kind of the first time I felt that way So yeah we give a lot of shit to Berkeley But really It's a bit
Starting point is 00:11:47 They nurture musicians And I think Boston is a perfect place for a school like Berkeley to exist in because Boston is very homesy. It's kind of racist though, and it's kind of... I mean, yeah, if you grew up there, I'm sure you have an incredibly different experience of people that are coming in for four years and leaving.
Starting point is 00:12:08 Like, my experience of Boston was, like, extremely diverse, you know, because I went to school with people from all around the world, literally, you know? But yeah, I imagine, like, living there and growing up there, it's not very fun. Yeah. But it could be just a stereotype too Because like every person I met from Boston
Starting point is 00:12:27 Are fucking good people I've never met like I'm something I mean I've been to a couple Celtics games I don't know oh yeah I mean that's when we start Until the sports fan doesn't start Until the sports fan comes out Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah then you then you hear all the All the words but um
Starting point is 00:12:43 It gets a little Catholic around there too Gets a little cat It gets funny I'm Catholic if I can say that I'm recovering Catholic. Are you one of the only people who graduated? There's a lot of people who don't graduate. Did you graduate?
Starting point is 00:12:56 Oh, I graduated. Let's fucking go. Let's go. Let's go. We like to hear that. So you weren't that bad at school. I, okay, listen. I got two degrees in four years. Damn.
Starting point is 00:13:10 And I graduated with like C's. Which ones? Cs get degrees. Just like all the round. All around. All around. Every single class had a C. What majors?
Starting point is 00:13:21 Oh, okay, I got a degree in songwriting. And then I got another degree in contemporary writing in production. And that one was more like writing for big band and writing for commercials and producing and stuff like that. It was kind of like a... You ever... Yeah, yeah. You ever think of your head to your teachers? Well, jokes on you, motherfucker, because I'm viral.
Starting point is 00:13:46 Let's go. Suck it! Suck it! You do have... I got to say one thing. Well, what's so funny is it didn't happen. Like, like, I think about the kids that are in school now because they are literally going viral and having to go to class and listen to these teachers talk about things that probably are really all that relevant to them. You know?
Starting point is 00:14:07 Yeah. Like, that is fully happening. Careers are fully forming and happening at Berkeley before they even leave. I, like, was in the years right before that all started, you know? That's interesting. Are they teaching social media now in school? I kind of wonder, I don't know I want an Instagram class
Starting point is 00:14:23 They should have a fucking Instagram class To promote yourself The way I would take that class I would take that class Because that's the shit I need to know You get an A in that one I don't know anything about it Dude you're so genuine
Starting point is 00:14:35 I can write a song Any day But I just like I posting online I'm like I wish I had a class on that That would have been great Which is so funny Because you're really good at it
Starting point is 00:14:45 You're so natural And like So like tell me about like Your first viral video Like what? happened like what was it just something you're like ah this is just another throwaway video or did you put some thought into it always all every single time i go viral it's just a oh i don't have anything to post today i guess i'll just post that yeah the very first time the first time i ever
Starting point is 00:15:07 went viral um the video i don't think is even online anymore but like it had nothing to do with music i was doing that like lip syncing thing okay so like you know how people like used to like hold their computers up and play like a viral YouTube video and then like they would do it at the same time and everything on the screen was happening. So I did that to this YouTube video of this little girl where she's like eating her mom's spaghetti. And her mom's like, do you like it? And she's so obviously doesn't. But she's like, yeah. I really like and I just like did the whole thing and I had like a million views by the end of the day. And I think that was the moment I was like, Okay, so I think I should probably just post my music now
Starting point is 00:15:52 because what the fuck, why did I get all this attention for this stupid thing? It is good. It does. It's not how it works, I feel like. Post my songs. I know. I think that's how I thought it worked and it kind of did.
Starting point is 00:16:03 But, yeah, that was the first time I technically went viral. So what do you think, like, so when you, when you started promoting your music stuff, what do you think, was it the lyrics that resonated? Was it the video? What do you, like, I mean, your lyrics are so, uplifting and so inspiring. Like, is that, was that the approach to, are you writing those, basically what I'm saying, are you writing those songs for yourself or are you writing those songs for others?
Starting point is 00:16:32 Now, at this point, I'm definitely writing the songs for myself. I think when I first started, it was a combination. Yeah. It was always true to myself, you know, it was always like my opinion or my point of view. But it might have been wrapped up in a way that felt a little bit more like four other people. and more of like an entertainer. Because you have to like get people's attention, you know. But kleptomaniac, I mean, it's like,
Starting point is 00:16:56 shut up. It's like, it's basically everything you're talking about with these fucking people who are judging you over just being a face on their social media. It's like, that's a powerful song for people who are going through identity crisis. And you should be proud that you wrote such a special song for people who are fighting that.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Thanks bro, I appreciate that Hell yeah I got you I got you But was that the approach of that song How'd that song come out? I mean I've listened to that song Maybe 10,000 times now
Starting point is 00:17:31 Oh thank you That's so sweet We've been listening Oh hell yeah I was like You know sometimes When you get Did you already record the song
Starting point is 00:17:40 Before you made the The those videos for that? You mean like the live videos Or like? The live videos Was the Did you already record the track? Yeah, the tracks were already recorded for all those. Yeah, because it's a little slower on the on the on the on the track. Yeah, it's fun. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I think it. It feels groovy. I do too. And I feel like I'm like I'm digesting the lyrics. A lot of stuff too fast. You know, but like yeah, I tend to go too fast. So that one felt good to go slow. But live is different. You should go fast live. You should fucking yeah. Put it out there. But yeah. So tell me about the writing process for.
Starting point is 00:18:20 for that one. Yeah, that one, that one was actually the first one that I wrote after that long period of not writing for a long time because I was like, I'm just burned. I don't know how to do this anymore. And I got together with these two guys, Kevin and James. And I had this idea about this FaceTime call that I had my, with my little sister, like kind of right before I came over, or the night before I came over. And it was just so, I mean, I say it. the lyrics in the song. It's just like she facetined me. She's showing me her new apartment.
Starting point is 00:18:54 She's so excited. And she's just like pointing out this like blind. Like there's these blinds and there's this one that's just like, you know? Yeah. And she's like, if you were a blind, if you were one of those blinds, I think you'd be that one. And we both just started cracking the fuck up because it was just like so mean. Honestly, it was so mean. I was like, that's just rude.
Starting point is 00:19:17 And also at the same time, I knew exactly what. she meant you know it's mean because it's true and I think that like yeah and I think that like you're original yeah yeah the last year was like me trying to figure out how to like having that relationship with myself of like how can I just like accept that about myself like that's just true yeah it's just true like I'm just different and like not only is that okay but it's just like a good thing it's just it's a true thing it's a good thing I'm more myself when I'm being that way And yeah, it's just like a hard thing to agree with about yourself when you're constantly reading online people saying you're too much, you're too much, you know?
Starting point is 00:20:00 And I think that like something Elise Myers, who's like just like an influencer online, something she said was just like, if I'm too much, like go find less. And I think that that's such a good way to think about it. Wow, that's fucking brilliant. That is brilliant. I know, right? Yeah, that's kind of how I feel Honestly, everyone is You know
Starting point is 00:20:24 The people who are making fun of us Are boring as fuck Let's be real They are this blind They're that black blind That's that sterile normal blind That's a normal blind It's that fuck that black
Starting point is 00:20:40 We need normal blinds too to buy stuff But true But also like Yeah I think that I think that people are just so people it's just like sad to think about because like I would never I can't imagine feeling so low that I would want to go online and find somebody that's like trying regardless of if I like it or not yeah regardless of like what I think of it trying to to do something that makes them happy um or fulfill a purpose that they think they have and like tearing them down I just can't I can't I can't even imagine the kind of day I would have to have in order to do something like that
Starting point is 00:21:22 You know? It's not even a day. It's like kind of life. Like you could like they didn't have, they had a life where everyone's been tearing them down and they feel like it's important for them to keep that legacy going, which is fucking bullshit. Part of you like feels bad for you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Yeah. You feel bad for you. For sure. How could you not? I feel angry and I want to talk shit. Because they're not born that way. Yeah. That's created.
Starting point is 00:21:45 I know. Well, you know, it's like it's like the internal sadness. like, are you built with a blank slate or you just have that gene that you are just sad and can't get out of that hole, you know? Yeah. So that's kind of tough too, because I'm a sad kid, but I try to be optimistic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I feel like I do, like, like, I feel like there's just two sides of a coin.
Starting point is 00:22:09 Like, you're either a hurt person and the way that you deal with that is like by taking everything on and being really critical of yourself. and taking on everybody else's pain or doing the opposite and pushing it all outward and blaming it on everybody else and I just fall on the side where I've criticized myself over everybody else.
Starting point is 00:22:29 You know what I mean? Like I'm my own worst critic and like I think that those other people are just doing the opposite, you know? Yeah, or they're just not doing the work inside so they have to judge everyone else who's trying to do the work. You know, like...
Starting point is 00:22:42 Yeah. Everything looks easy from the outside too, you know? Yeah. Yeah, you hear that? people stop talking shit yeah yeah so this is exciting
Starting point is 00:22:54 so you got more so I saw you you're putting out a song Friday right yeah putting out of song Friday is it just nonstop you're just like after you get a hit are you just addicted to get in that viral thing again is it like a fix
Starting point is 00:23:06 it's like a little cocaine hit it's like oh man I remember getting high for the first time I'm like damn that's sick and then you always chase that thing that's such a fucking funny way to put it because I've never thought about it that way and if that's the truth I think that makes so much sense
Starting point is 00:23:24 because I actually kind of like I a little bit hate it all I a little bit hate the whole the whole internet thing the whole viral thing like so happy my music is getting heard but also like it's just so intense
Starting point is 00:23:41 and it it's like a okay it's like a malletrizzers now they want their 15% and shit yeah yeah it's all these people. They want you to keep being successful. It's like when you go up there and then like the next day, it's just like the worst day of your life because it's not, you're not doing that drug anymore, you know? Yeah. And so that's kind of how it feels after going viral. It's just kind of like,
Starting point is 00:24:04 shit, how do I keep up with this? Or like, how do I continue this momentum? And ultimately, it's just impossible. You can't, you know? Like, I can't go viral every day. I wish I could. If I knew how I would, because I would be actually making a lot more money as a musician, you know, but yeah. You see those guys are chasing that too. They look fucking exhausted and they get corny. And they turn into chop dunk. And then they're like suddenly just video editors and it has nothing to do with their music. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:24:34 That's how I feel. The most insane video you've ever seen, but like the music is shit and you're just like, what is happening? It's wild that you have to be like a sketch comic now to be a popular musician. I know. It's fucked up. It's crazy. I feel like I have to be.
Starting point is 00:24:47 I'm like a super, I'm a really introverted person. I don't go out much. I love playing video games. I love puzzles. I love quiet activities. I love very few people and I let them into my circle, you know. And then every once in a while, I'll go out and do something. But like, I don't live the kind of life of an influencer or a comic or anything that would belong on Instagram.
Starting point is 00:25:17 or TikTok, so I kind of have to fake it sometimes, you know? I disagree. I think you have charisma. I think your lyrics are perfect. I think you are loaded with charisma. One of the most charismatic people on the internet, actually. Yeah. Well, that's really sweet.
Starting point is 00:25:32 I like, I just want to make sure that everything I'm doing is genuine to myself. And I can't always entertain, you know what I mean? Like, I think that people really, people's attention spans really desire that in a video and in every single one. I just like, if I have to post every day, I ain't got it in me, y'all. I can't, I can't keep going. You know what I mean? Like, I'll just sing the song. You know, and that's kind of been my thing lately.
Starting point is 00:26:01 I've got a name. What's that? I don't know. What's that? What's that? Croshey song, I got a name. Oh, yeah, yeah, Jim Carole. It's like, God damn it.
Starting point is 00:26:11 You're telling us to do everything else, but do the thing that you want us to do. You want us to do 80%? Oh, my God. 80% of this career is, for you to like do content and marketing and then i think that the values are because now you only have 20% to like think about your art yeah like what do you do if you're an amazing songwriter you're not hilarious i guess you're just screwed you're screwed you're going you're uh you're becoming a real estate broker yeah you're looking at commercial real estate doorking the cruise
Starting point is 00:26:37 hope you like selling houses now you're the manager should have got a tight five bitch yeah should have got a tight five oh sorry Sorry. No, it's okay. I just, like, can't imagine being a landlord. That's just, like, my worst fear, I think. I know. You're in L.A.?
Starting point is 00:26:55 Where are you from? I'm from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I love Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. Great fucking city. Do you? Pittsburgh's a great thing. We play the Rocks.
Starting point is 00:27:05 Tell me more. Rex Theater. Okay, yeah. And then the Rex Theater we play. Thunderbird Cafe. Thunderbird. Yep. Play there a bunch.
Starting point is 00:27:12 The Roxian's cool. It's kind of outside. It's a beautiful place, though. I love when you get out of those hills through the tunnel and all of a sudden you see Pittsburgh. Yeah. It's so sick. It's like a beautiful shithole.
Starting point is 00:27:22 So sick. You know, it's kind of a shithole. Thank you. Yeah, I completely agree. I will say I get lost every time I drive there. Yeah. It's a, it's a blue collar thing. It's like I love the buffaloes of the world.
Starting point is 00:27:33 I love the Pittsburghs, the Cleveland. Me too. They fucking rule. Cincinnati's cool too. I'm from Indiana. It's like everybody graduates high school and like never leaves and then that becomes the culture, you know? Yeah. And luckily there's like.
Starting point is 00:27:47 When I have a good community. Some of them are the happiest people you ever meet in your life too. You know, some people are cool. For sure. Taking the 9 to 5 to 5 so they could see their family from 6 to 5 a.m. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. But not us.
Starting point is 00:28:00 I love it there. Not us. I think it's really cool. I think it's a weird place. Would you ever move back if you got like so successful? You didn't have to live in L.A.? Hell no. I love you from over here.
Starting point is 00:28:11 I love it. Love it from a distance. You know what I mean? Like, I love visiting. It's such an experience. I feel like the people and the culture is like so electric, especially around sports. But like I could never imagine living there anymore personally. I hear you.
Starting point is 00:28:30 I mean, I feel that way about L.A. But it's probably mostly to do with the history of me living there. You know what I mean? Like, if I were an adult, I think I would like maybe consider it like a lot more. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I had to get out of L.A. Because it was just a rat race of, of the only way.
Starting point is 00:28:47 you could be successful as if you write pop music or if your dad's an accountant or if your dad's an accountant. Where are you guys now? You're in Chicago? We live in Denver. Oh, Denver, cool.
Starting point is 00:28:56 Yeah, we like Denver. You ever tour through here? I have. I've been there a couple times. Some of my favorite shows, honestly. Yeah, Denver's one of the better music scenes in the country. So you have new music coming out.
Starting point is 00:29:06 You're going to keep doing it. Yep. My goal for what I really wanted to, you know, have you on the show for is to keep you optimistic. about fuck you don't have to do things you don't want to do be who you want to be every day and fuck the haters
Starting point is 00:29:23 and I just want to tell you that. Thanks bro. Because you fucking rule. You do. And I can see sometimes you get you get the sad eyes and I see it. And I get them too. I do. And it's like it's okay because I do too. We do 200 plus shows a year and I'm on I'm online every day just grinding it out
Starting point is 00:29:43 trying to get get to a point where you know like like all of us. We're just following the rat race. But do the rat race. Don't forget yourself. Thanks, bro. I really appreciate that. Dude. And I love your glasses.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Yeah, we love your glasses. Thank you. You know, have sad eyes. Put them behind cool glasses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At least, yeah. Right. It's the only way people can tolerate it, really.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Yeah. Magnify them. We have one more question for you. It's from our producer, Neil. Okay. Neil, do you have a question? Hi, Neil. He has one question.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Neil get in here. So you could see. Neil doesn't know. anything about your music. Doesn't know anything about anything. He's just going to ask you a question human to human. No? Okay, great.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Howdy? All right. How many pillows do you sleep with? One. Wow. Are you nuts? I'm so glad you asking this question because I have the best pillow. I have the pillow.
Starting point is 00:30:44 You buy this pillow and you will never need another pillow again, okay? What is it? It's filled with buckwheat. Okay? So it's like, It's like, It's like, no, no, no. I got it in Nashville.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Pittsburgh. I'm, I brought it to L.A. And everybody now is buying them because of me and my wife. Hold on, my wife. Can we see this?
Starting point is 00:31:03 Okay. Is it? It's like, it feels like a light, um, a very light and more like malleable rice. So it's like, feels like a bag of rice. Is it lighter?
Starting point is 00:31:15 Like, oh, wow. A little bit. And it's just like, it will form to whatever shape you want it. You know, it like, it stays wherever you put it because of the pressure. But my wife, she has, like, a lot of chronic pain issues. And, like, one of the things she read was, like, buckwheat pillows help a lot. And so we bought them.
Starting point is 00:31:38 And, like, we have, like, we bought, like, 10 of them. And now we only have two left because we'll just, like, give them to our friends and be, like, try it. And we never get them back. company name. I don't know. I'm not going to allow you. I'm going to, I got this, Grue. Listen.
Starting point is 00:31:53 Okay. Krook is willing to promote your business, buckwheat pillows. So get anybody. Start paying up. They are viral. So start sending the cash. My point exactly. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:32:10 And if you get that hit, I get 15%. Tell your manager to fuck off. Okay. That was, that was my pitch. Tell your manager. to fuck off, okay? Okay, great. Okay, you're my new manager for this.
Starting point is 00:32:20 Just for selling buckwheat pillows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. Perfect. Um, group, thanks for being on the show. Um, you're awesome. Thanks, guys. Thanks so much for having me.
Starting point is 00:32:29 We're fans. I saw, the minute I saw you, uh, online, I'm like, we, we have to get you on. So thank you. Hell yeah. Thanks, dude. We got one more question for you and we'll let you go. Um, when it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? Oh, probably just like my heart.
Starting point is 00:32:47 I just like, I just like, I, want people to know how much I care, whether you like me or not. I just like I care about people so much. And I just want love for everyone. Why wouldn't buckwheat pillows want someone like this to promote the fucking get together? Thank you so much for being on the show. Keep being happy. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Keep smiling and tell those fucking losers to get off your night. nuts, okay? Okay, I will. Your imaginary night. I'll say, Andy said, get off my nuts. Yeah, tag me. You tag me. Anytime someone's talking to you.
Starting point is 00:33:29 He's Jewish. Yeah, you tag me. You tag me. I'll pick these fights. You stay sweet. I will pick those fights for you. Okay. Have a great day.
Starting point is 00:33:38 We love you over here. Thank you, too. Bye. Bye, guys. Bye. That was fun.

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