Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - Darby Hudson, Australia's Most Interesting Thinker.

Episode Date: August 4, 2026

What happens when you spend 30 years chasing a dream that nobody else believes in? This week on Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast, Andy and Nick sit down with Australian author, poet, and internet philosopher Darby Hudson for one of the most inspiring conversations we've had. Darby opens up about applying for 2,500 jobs with the dumbest résumé imaginable, accidentally becoming a copywriter, and watching AI reshape the career he never expected to have. But that's just the beginning. This episode is brought to you by JamCut.IO (https://jamcut.io/). If you're a musician and you're tired of making clips all the time, check these guys out! The three dive deep into creativity, late-blooming success, why so many artists quit in their 30s and 40s, overcoming self-doubt, balancing ambition with authenticity, writing sober, finding happiness, embracing failure, and the mindset required to keep creating when progress feels invisible. Whether you're a musician, writer, entrepreneur, or anyone trying to build something meaningful, this episode is a reminder that the journey is the reward—and that your breakthrough might arrive long after everyone else has stopped believing.

Ladies down, Andy Frazzed World Same podcast, we have a very special guest. One of my favorite authors. I read your book. I've read it twice now. I love it. Darby, you're the man.

You understand the art of existentialism. My baby. But I think that is existentialism right there. Yeah, yeah. I'm being an idiot. I just love trying. I like trying to solve stupid shit in my head. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

And even if I do, the effect only lasts for about half a day. Then I've got to do it all over again. I'm so thankful, Andy. I'm glad you like it. I love everything you do. I think your online presence is amazing. You understand me, which is what I wanted you to get on the show. You're going to be our philosopher for the World Save Podcast.

The official philosopher of the World Save Podcast. You're Anishi. You're Anichi. And we want to know what, why do Americans, what's your take on America and why do you think we're so fucked up? Oh, I don't, I haven't, I decided to stop following the news two years ago. And so I'm, I sort of know, like, you can't not avoid it on social media, but I kind of feel like, um, so many, like countries like, Canada and Australia where I live, we've got this inferiority complex. And so we're always like, America's this great line. How dare it be so confident and brash. I always love that about

the US, like a lot of, I know I can go to one extreme, but I don't know. I've learned so much from US riders. They've really helped my head when no one in Australia understood. understood me at all in my 30s. And I was just reading old US riders and going, this shit's amazing. I'm like, why isn't anyone saying this sort of stuff here? And it saved my head.

This is maybe 15, 20 years ago. I didn't really answer you question, but I love the US. Like, I feel like it's a spiritual home. I've never visited. I've never visited. But I'd love to one day, but I'd love to.

Oh, you got to come out. It's only a 19-hour flight. So tell our fans, tell our fans, tell our fans, tell our listeners about your book. This book is so good. I would like to know why you wrote this and what was going in your head when you're writing these short poems and these short collections.

It feels like I'm like in the process of like your brain. Like, are these just daily splatters that you had? Or like, give me the synopsis of it. Yeah, it's, it's, there's sort of of um i wrote it over years that that one and it was i was a cartoonist in the 2000s and i'm not a failed cartoonist i got gigs here and there but it wasn't working and eventually funny and humor which was mostly what i was writing it just didn't tickle something that was there so i just thought i'm not getting anywhere with these cut little cartoons and little thought little thoughts and i thought

I'm going to try writing poetry. And I love, I loved it. Like, I'm not a, I'm not a, like a, a true poet in the sense of, like, I look at award-winning poetry and I go, I could not write, I could not write that, but I could write something close to it with a, with a cartoon engine and, and the veneer of a poem. And so I started writing poems back in 2012, and that, and that spot formed made this book. And so they're kind of like little comics with a poetry in it. And that made me happy.

They were scratching an inch that the comics that I was making 25 years ago just couldn't. And yeah, they just made me happy. The stuff that I loved that inspired me just bought this relief. It felt like taking drugs, word drugs from these old writer. And I was like, wow, this is actual like medicine. This is drugs. I want to make my own drugs. Just to bring me and say and go, oh, thank you.

Thanks. So I was just writing crap for a long time. And that book, the book, you're going to be okay because you fuck no matter what. ended up sort of being a sort of a best of collection of all that stuff from 2012 to 2020 to now. But most of it I wrote in the last five years, I sort of got better at it and threw out a lot of old stuff. But yeah, that's the... I love it. How do you know when you're getting better at it with writing?

I always have a struggle with that. oh, mate, maybe I'm throwing out less stuff because like, I reckon something like, if every 10 things I write, I'll throw out nine of them and maybe I'm only throwing out eight now. Okay. Rather than, and instead of just keeping one from 10, I'm keeping two maybe. And I was like, oh, that's, yeah, sometimes you can feel like I'm going, sometimes it just, it just feels like I'm flatlining.

most of the time, sometimes for years, then all of a sudden I can feel something, just nudge up, just out of the blue. There's no sort of linear left to right, top to bottom. It's just like it just feels like flat line and then a spike. Or, yeah, in the same way. Yeah, beer will get you drunk slowly like that, but a whiskey will go bang.

That's a random comparison. But yeah, it feels like it just comes out of the blue and you got to sit through a lot of uncertainty thinking, I'm not getting better at this. This is bullshit. And then when it actually does, it happens. It's just, yeah, it's weird. Why do you think people are afraid to start something new later in their life? Oh.

Oh. I haven't thought about that. because I've been doing this since I was 18. And I just thought, I'm just going to do this. I sat down with myself at the age of 21 in my sharehouse in the front room and said to myself aloud, I'm going to do this for the rest of my life. And I don't care if it goes nowhere. This is what I love.

And it might take me years and years to get anywhere with it. Or I might not get anywhere with it, but I want to find out. And I could, this might be a long-term prank I'm playing with myself for, decades long. It was. It was a 30 year long prank. I feel like something happens in your late 30s where you've been around the world, the cycles of life a few times.

And something clicks. And you go, oh, I sort of get this, the bullshit of everything. And then you can start to step outside that bullshit. And something more makes sense. I think that's almost a few years. after I'd finished comics and went to poetry my late 30s. Yeah, I felt like that was, yeah, something interesting happens. But a lot of people give up art in their late 30s because they've,

because more important things are happening in their life. And there's like career advancements and family stuff. And it gets harder to, and that's also the time when artists, a lot of my favorite artists become really good. So it always becomes a weird fork in the road around 40 or late 30s. I think maybe. I could be wrong. I'm going through that right now.

I'm like, do I dive into music harder or do I dive into other things harder? It's like what's, I'm just turned 38. I'm just kind of in this thing or I've seen the bullshit. Now I want to just like fine tune the bullshit and, you know, and I've already under, I understand the bullshit now. Now I'm not going to let it get to me. Like, you know, that's why I love your book so much. It's like it taught me how to get out of my own fucking way.

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Go to fucking Jamcut. All right. Hey, boys. What about? We love it. They fucking love it. What troubles did you have in your life that made you want to like... This is the difference between Australian thinking. Mm-hmm. Is they're okay with shit fucking up because that's part of life. It's like this.

Americans have this idea like you can't talk about the bad shit. I feel like I'm more on this wavelength. You're 100% more like Dartmouth. Me and this guy are very in tune with each other, I think. think. Yeah. I love, I love bullshit, like, just like awful stuff artistically expressed, like artistic complaint. Yeah. And I've got a lot of it out of my system just for, just for now. But I love it when it's done really well. It feels like lancing a huge boil

or just releasing crap. And it's like, oh, that feels good. I feel good. I feel, I feel, I feel, feel normal again for a bit. And some of my favorite comedians sort of go into that, that artistic complaint and, and poets. So they do it really well, but sometimes when it, it's a fine line because complaint can also just feel like poison.

Like when it's, and I'm guilty of it. When I've, yeah, when it doesn't quite work, it just feels like I'm just putting toxic bullshit into the air. Yeah. But sometimes when it will,

It's the opposite. It's such a fine line with that stuff. But I love it when it's done well by anyone or if I can do it myself. It's like a vomit, right? It's like you feel much better if like when you're, I don't know, sometimes after I write down what it is, I could like kind of go through my day. You know, a lot of people keep all these thoughts in their heads. And I feel like we need to, it's our job to make them feel comfortable.

with the bad things we think about too that needs to be written down just so we can get through to be part of the good stuff because we can't appreciate the good stuff without kind of fucking around and having some bad times right yeah yeah totally yeah yes yeah you have to get that get it out occasionally and also letting happiness in like sometimes they'll go oh i can I've just felt a wave of unexpected happiness. And I'll go, go away. I don't believe it. I'm sure I'm going to pay for it somehow.

I don't have the money for it yet. Yeah. And I've got to learn to let that in because I'm always, like, I'm always like cock blocking happiness. Like, nah, or but, yeah, just telling you to, yeah, piss off because I'm thinking, oh, I'm going to pay for it. But no, just let it in. It's free.

It happened. It's like a warm. standing in the shallows and a warm current moves through yet just for no reason and I'll yeah I love that um I had so many good moments to sitting in the car in this supermarket car park wow they have supermarkets in Australia oh man are they upside down they that's uh but yeah it's so true man I'm like you know like we have to be okay when emotions are are like clouds they come in your life and they come out of your life and we have to appreciate the cloud you know i don't know it's like happiness isn't the highway it's like the exit you get on and off every once in

yeah yeah yeah i agree like why yeah you can have that i'm kidding i'm kidding it's like um no it's true man it's like or like when we're feeling sad we don't want to appreciate that one glimpse of happiness. Yeah, exactly. Because we want to marinate in our fucking sadness. And that's not, I don't know, feelings come and go. When you feel happy, feel happy. When you don't, it's okay not to. We don't have to fake shit anymore, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I love, yeah. I love, yeah. I love trying to,

I find it harder to write fun, joyous, whimsical, weird, happy stuff without it becoming a hallmark cheesy. I feel like, yeah, it's a lot of, I'm trying to write something that's just purely happy at the moment. And to get to that, I feel like my ratio is writing four dark pieces for one happy piece. So I've got to write, so I'm trying to write a book of just happy. I don't know if I'll pull it off or it'll work out, but my goal is to write, I'll have to write five pieces for every one page.

And just, it always, it always feels like the happiness needs a foundation of a bit of dark. And they'll pull away the infrastructure of the darkness and just leave the happy. Yeah. And see what happened. It might, it might not work.

It might, it might not translate. There's something quite optimistic and beautiful about your last book. It was like, I know it was like kind of dark, but it wasn't to me. It was kind of optimistic. I love that.

But maybe I'm just cynical. I love when you can go and fly into the darkness and it can flip into light. But that doesn't work for everyone. So I'm honored that it worked for you. Like sometimes people will almost like try to school me going that's nihilistic. and cynical and dark. But that's not, that's not my intention, although I can't really control art as well. It can't control how it's theved or how it comes out.

But I love it when that happens when you fly into the dark and it can, and it just flips into something like a relief or light. And yeah, sometimes I get stuck in the dark. I don't get through the other side and it's like, but it's always worth the risk. But yeah, if I, sometimes I can walk around, like I'll be riding in the morning and I'll, and I'll be trying to write through the darkness, I just try to ram it, ram through, and I don't make it. And then I walk around for the rest of the day in such a shit mood, like a, like, just terrible.

I've come up with nothing. That's, that's the worst, it's the worst feeling. I hate that those days, when you don't feel, like you wasted a day. Yeah Yeah And then sometimes those days will A few days later I'll

I'll just be in a different headspace And I go oh that was actually good I can use I can build on that It's so weird It's like there's like two parts of us There's the person making of the music Or riding the shit And then there's the audience

Of me Watching it And if my audience watching it isn't right, sometimes I'll completely miss that it was the writing or whatever it was, it was actually good. That's why I used to love getting drunk and writing because my audience would just applaud everything. Oh, that's great, darling. Oh, wings you. And so I'd cheat the audience with my drunk self was a terrible writer, but a great audience. And so I think everything's right.

What do you think is better? A less critic critic or a more critic critic critic? A less critic, great, great. So like, when you're drunk, your brain stops hyper critic or criticizing your word thinking you're a piece of shit. but when you're not, you're hypercritical of every word. So when you're drunk, those words are still the same. It's still you, right? Or no?

Or do you feel like you are sloppier when you write a little drunker? Yeah, sometimes you can make random connections from distant countries in your head when you're drunk that I couldn't make if I was sober. but I learned that was kind of unsustainable if I wanted to keep doing it forever and ever. Yeah, yeah. But I loved, like, I'm appreciative of riding drunk through my 30s and early 40s. Because it, you know, I just had a brain fade. That's, it's funny.

Yeah, it dated me. it gave me confidence that I was I was buying confidence on credit just to keep going when I just and also bought me energy after work to keep writing because I had no energy after coming home from a job to keep writing and it brought me fake energy and it allowed me to do it but yeah I've learned to write sober the last seven years and and it's it's not as fun to to write or create. But it's all, it's, but some of my stuff,

maybe it's, I don't know if it's better or worse, but it's, but I could, but I'm coming up with more stuff, I guess. I'm just not a, I'm just not a fan of my, my own work as much.

Of these things over. But, um, I feel like, yeah, we're all, I hear you. What, um, what'd you learn about yourself through, uh, writing these thoughts about yourself um nothing nothing hell yeah i think

hell yeah dude i'll clap to that i'll always feel like i'm of i've i've thought something new or something interesting and they're all things to fade away again and it's like oh back to the bottom of the mountain I'm starting again It's just it feels endless Um Yeah So when you're

Yeah Do you felt like you reached more people Through um Through people reading the book or through socially Because you're basically right You're doing your Your part socially You're doing like your

Um Your poems I love your social media Because you're like I can really understand The chaos You know From your social from reading the book.

I read the book more poetically, and then I see you do them on socially, which are, it gives me a different outlook of, of the poem, if that makes sense. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's nice.

It's nice to see two sides of the poem. It's like, when I'm reading it in the sauna, I read your book a lot in the sauna for like 45 minutes. I'm like sweating and like going through like, I got to get the fuck out of here. And then I read your book. It calms me down. So like,

watch I'll watch the same I'll watch the same poem or whatever you do when you post about them and it's I get a different approach about it. It's pretty amazing. Yeah, you have great writers. Oh, too. Oh, thanks. Yeah,

I love. What a great response. Thanks. No, it says, yeah, thank you. Because I never wanted to be a before. I'm not a performer. I never what I, I never liked listening to other people read their poems. I can't concentrate. It's like, I'm not listening to a word you say. I'm just watching for your vibes and nonverbal body language stuff. I have no idea what you just said. That's how I feel when I listen to anyone's poetry. I never wanted to perform my stuff. Because I just, I like, I loved reading

other people's work just in silence and my own interpretation. And I, I, I love, I love reading other people's work just in silence and my own interpretation. And I only did videos because it was a means to write a book. Because all of a sudden, five years ago, video was the thing. I thought, okay, maybe this is a way to ride, to get a book out there. I'll try it. And I started, I'm getting a bit more performy, the longer I do it. But it's fun. And I don't, it's fun. It is fun. So yeah, it's weird because I hated it to begin with. I'm starting to learn how to enjoy it a bit and just get into it. And I'm even like watching just other people how they do like actors and stuff like that.

And it's going, oh, that's amazing. How to, like, yeah, it's, yeah, it's fun. I've learned how to enjoy it. And I'll keep doing it. But yeah, my favorite thing is. just reading something in silence and not, yeah, it's, who are your favorite authors? Who are your favorite philosophers?

Um, yeah, I love, I love this, fuck, there's some writers and characters. And like, I love, this isn't quite addressing, but I love Tony Soprano, Russ Cole from True Detective, and Trevor Philip, Grand Theft Auto. Those are my three favorite characters, but then I also love, like, Alan Watts, who is a British. I love Alan Watts. He's my favorite. Yeah. He called himself a spiritual. Yeah, existentialism. I love Alan Watts. Yeah. I love that guy. Like, I love his smoker chuckle, when he's just laughing at his own shit. That, that, I just start, I just feel such relief when he's talking crazy convoluted shit and then then laughs at himself for how circular he's done

yeah that's how i feel your videos you're really good at uh i feel like you're like walking through your thoughts you know how you how you approach your videos are really i feel like i'm with you in your morning at your morning coffee you know just fucking going through your thoughts it's so great or like walking with you as you're as you're trying to figure whatever you're trying to figure like whatever unclogging of whatever not you have in your brain you're figuring it out it's nice

how many takes do you do on those videos I totally write it out first so I'm just basically parroting parroting what I've already pre-written sometimes I'll add something new in like just because it because here my ears hear my own mouth

I go something changes I can, like, and so I had something new, but most, mostly it's completely pre-written. Okay. And I just, and maybe I'll, I used to just do one drone of a take, just going blah, blah, blah, blah. And now I might do two for just, because I'll, I'll divide it up into bits because I can't, my memory is too shit. So I'll, I'll remember the first 10 seconds. and I might do a few I might do a few extra takes

on the first 10 seconds because that's what's important for engagement it's like at least can I make some good shit could I make it interesting in the first 10 seconds and now I'll just do the rest

but yeah I love that you have any questions for the philosopher I don't know I'm just kind of fascinated by you Because you're so relaxed. You're so relaxed. Yeah, yeah, we love you. I do have a question about your journey.

So, like, you got, like, successful later in life, which I hope to do at some point. No, seriously, though. So you always had, like, a day job and stuff. Where are you, like, your family or people around you're, like, why don't you just give up this poetry thing? Or were they pretty supportive about it? Because you were also worth supporting yourself. Yeah, that... Even my mom, who was a complete tripper, she was worried.

when I kept sort of, she loved what I was doing, but she was like, why didn't you keep that corporate job? Because I worked, I worked in retail, like, as a sales assistant, then in a warehouse, packing boxes. I tried a chef apprenticeship. And then, then I applied for every single job in the newspaper with the stupidest resume I could after being frustrated, not knowing what I was going to do, and that resume only included interests, like getting a little bit wet in the rain and quickly running inside, the enjoyment of being tall and my father, pushing buttons with real smooth push button action, and I applied for two, two and a half thousand jobs, every job in the newspaper in 2008. An advertising took me in. A lot of people called me up to wondering if I was

crazy or not. And some people got, I was just mucking around, but advertising said, you're a writer. And I said, no, no, I'm not. And they said, yes, you are. Come in. Well, let's have a, so I ended up as a copywriter for a few, about three years in 2010. And that was, oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then AI came destroyed it. Right. Yeah. Woo, thanks. Thanks, AI. Yeah, it's going to be us.

It's going to be my music career is going to be all sooner. I'm going to be out here just playing all these AI songs, buddy. So, like, your family, did they try to get you to quit your artistic endeavors or were they always supportive? Yeah, it's hardly you didn't answer that. Yeah, they kind of turned, they, they, they weren't supportive. But, but, but I could, I could see, I can hear and see like, oh, this is Darby's doing it again. What, what's going on? What is this shit?

Um, I, like, I love my brother, but he, like, he, he, he's a primary school art teacher. And he's, like, bought, he bought a house. and he works just like the real hard. But he's a talented songwriter, but he doesn't do anything with it because he's, he's sensible. I've always been, I don't want to,

I want to be, I don't be stupid, but I want to, I want to see what I can do. Why not? Even if it takes, I'm going to keep going. I don't care.

Maybe I'll, maybe I'll end up a bit insane. But I, I want to keep trying this. because this is fun. And, yeah, like, that, what's that Warren Buffett buffet buffet quote, don't save sex for old age or something like that. Yeah, I want to find, I want to, yeah, I want to, yeah, I want to just wanted to keep going.

But I could feel people in my jobs or friends sort of, I could see it as well, like side eye and eye roll and, oh, that's just Darby saying weird shit or some stupid plan. And I definitely do feel, sometimes I do feel a bitterness sometimes. And sometimes I feel like, fuck yeah, I showed you. What? This is, shit's happening now. Finally. And it feels like a.

And then part of me goes, oh, just chill out, Darby. we, it's good. But it felt like 30 years of nothing. I had nothing. It's just flatlining. But I just kept going. I just kept, just going, I'm making another, writing more shit, get home to make more shit. And I just thought that eventually it just felt like, but breaking down a brick wall.

I could never see the progress of that 30 years. There was no kind of instrument. that would detail on making progress. There was no visible sign of it. And that's the hardest thing. But eventually it just happens all in one go. There's no, that was the hardest thing, mind battle to just keep going, even though there's no visible sign of, there are a few.

Like I got into Best Australian Poems in 2012. I thought, oh, that's amazing. And it happened again in 2013 and then Barron. Like there were a few little signposts where I thought, Oh, I'm on. And I had to sniff the crap out of those small moments where something good happened because I knew I'd have to have a camel's hump of water to survive the no, enough balance of it again.

And so, yeah, you have to get by on very little feedback and just, and cross your fingers. That's how it felt for me. And all of a sudden, it, um, yeah, because I've had a few moments where I thought I was, was about to break something was going to happen or a breakthrough. And at the time, I was either too lazy or thought, oh, this will happen again. And it doesn't. Those moments only are quite rare. So I learned that those moments are rare.

And if it ever happened again, I'd just paddle like a motherfucker and go hard, which is what I did two years ago with, oh, you hear it last year with Andrews McMeil. And I went, fucking do everything now. Paddle hard. while there was a window there. There's a sniff, go hard. And so I went, fuck it, go break, break all the stupid rules in my head and just go hard on those moments where the window opens just for a little bit before it closes again.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's hard to, yeah. It's fucking beautiful, man. Well, it's the fight to be the artist. Yeah, I think you're right. Like, people think that it's going to happen again when you only get a couple shots. at this thing. Yep.

I've been doing this for 20 years. Nick's been playing music. My partner, Nick, he plays saxo and I play piano. And we just tore. We fucking just grind it out. And like sometimes when we get a little momentum, you fucking push for it. I think that's just like life,

not to take the gifts and appreciate them and try your best just to admire them. And appreciate the journey too. And appreciate it. Because making shit's the actual fun part. Yeah. And don't get depleted from making it. Yeah, yeah.

Don't get jaded. The cooking lasts much longer than the eating. Exactly. Yeah. And sometimes I like cooking it rather than eating it. Exactly. I wish I could cook. But yeah, it's a good.

It'd be a better metaphor if I could actually cook. But. Well, buddy, you keep cooking. That's all we're trying to say is we love your shit. Every time you got anything new in the pot. What are you writing? what's your next book you're writing? Yeah, I love what you were saying about just going it for 20 years.

And yeah, it feels like it's a marathon where sometimes you've got to find sprinting from thin air when you got no energy while running marathon. And I love that. I really admire. That's almost for me I feel like that endurance part is, it is an art itself as much as the thing that you're doing. And I love the behind the scenes stuff of artists and the mind game they have to play with themselves, like an athlete in that kind of way. I love that. I love those stories. I always felt a bit motivated or, I don't know, but also to enjoy it.

It's so true. Yeah, let's fucking enjoy it. It's not a rat race. It's not a reward. Yeah. You have to make a video, just to make a video? I've had to. I've had to convince myself that recently.

Yeah, I make videos all the time. I'm like, why the fuck am I doing this? I'm not a cowboy. I'm not a cowboy. It's funny because I've got to manage like two parts of me, this wildly ambitious marketeering dude who lives in me. And a pure artist, child art, who hates this marketeering ambitious part of me.

And so there's those two fighting each other, but they both work together. And it's, yeah, it's, sometimes it's always a bit of a letdown when you find out how artists who make it just look so easy and kick back. I hate those. And then you find out how hard they worked. I don't hate it because I do it. I try to, I do it as well. But I love how they've got to fight with the, how art. just it just comes out without trying, but there's a lot of trying as well.

It's always that trying and not trying things happening at the same time. But yeah, the next I'm trying to write is, yeah, that something that's not a cheap, an uncheesy, happy book with little illustrations, which I haven't drawn, going full circle back to my comics days. because I always loved I loved writing without the little squeals and drawings but I always felt like the words punched through harder and there was,

and you left, it felt like a, when there's a drawing next to a bunch of words, I feel like it's not, it doesn't leave space for the reader to enter in and, and bring their own thing to it. I love when writers leave a little parking space. so the writer to the reader can come in and and bring their own thing to the words.

I don't know what I'm talking about now. I do. Like Sheltsil, like Shel Silverstein or something. Yeah. Like, I love it. I mean,

that's how I feel about writing courses. It's so hard for me. I don't know. Like, I'm trying to like, I, I say, I hate guys who make it so easy.

look so easy but probably people will think we make it look so easy entertaining so like it's all interpretation of what you think looks easy i guess you know yeah yeah yeah yeah i love you're such good cooks but they probably took fucking years of school to fucking exactly cut that onion like that or that like slice that garlic thin oh yeah there's a whole there's whole schools devoted to it yeah oh yeah true Well, buddy, we'll let you go. We love you, man. And we just want to say we're fans.

We're here. Whenever you want to come on the show and talk about philosophy, you get your ass on here, Darby. We love you, man. Yeah. Cheers, Andy. Honored. Thanks, Nick and Andy. Yes.

Yeah, I'll listen to a bunch of your stuff a few weeks back. I loved, I loved, I loved, yeah, love how much weird shit was still surprising me at 50. It's like all the, like, the, good. guess and yeah anyway I'm talking shit I'm gonna wake off I appreciate it

get some coffee brother get some coffee have some fun write your opus we'll be uh we'll be reading you on Darby look out for those giant spiders down there yeah yeah you got a lot of

fucking spiders and snakes and shit out there I just scared all the time what's up with all the spiders and snakes what's up with that yeah yeah it's yeah there's redbacks in the garden I don't know we just got to

me and my friend do I live with yeah she's always moving the cats away from them we got three cats and they're always about to get by a spider

I don't know I yeah I maybe it's yeah I don't know I don't know what's up with the big ones eat the little ones

yeah yeah you guys are fucking you guys just like shoe them away like they're like a dog they're fucking huge dude I can't believe it

it's like something out of a movie you ever get scared you get scared of that shit like poison in the snakes, nothing? You're in the city, so I guess it's not that bad. Yeah, it's not bad in the city, just small spiders in the garden, but no snakes in the... How high did you get there? There's somewhere, there's one near the creek that was just lying sunning itself, just in the path, and I nearly stepped on it, and my friend was like, that's not a stick dhabi gift. And she just

pushed, just like, what are you doing? Holy shit. And I went, oh, it's a snake. But it's really rare. Like, there's inner city, deep near the creek. It's really, it's rare. Wow. It's not that, it's not as dangerous.

I think it's laid on thick by, yeah, mythologizing Australian movie sort of shit. Yeah, it's not, not that. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Well, Darby, keep, keep inspiring us. Well, I, anytime you want to be on the show, man, I love, I love watching you go through life. We're on email away.

You're a bad motherfucker, man. We love you. Cheese. See, cheese, guys. Lair, buddy. See ya.