Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 115: Nathaniel Rateliff

Episode Date: March 2, 2021

On a very special episode of the World Saving Podcast, Andy offers his undying encouragement to a world wrought with both joy and anguish. Plus: dick jokes. And on the Interview Hour, we welcome show favorite and legendary songsmith, Nathaniel Rateliff! He and Andy chew the proverbial fat while Andy tries not to come off as the mega fan that he is. Nick Gerlach has thoughts about Frasier. To close us out we welcome guest co-host, Sean Holmes of the fabulous Nectar Sunglasses. This is EP 115. Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new album, "Keep On Keepin' On" on iTunes Spotify  Get to know Nathaniel Rateliff a little better: www.nathanielrateliff.com stay cool out there & get yourself some Nectar Sunglasses Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Brian Schwartz Nick Gerlach The U.N. Arno Bakker

Hey, it's Schwartz. Listen, you know, you always kick and scream and hem and haw about rehearsing with the UN, and then you're telling me you're bummed when I book shows, and, you know, a couple of shows in different cities but in the same region because you feel like you don't know enough of your own catalog. And so, you know, all I've been saying, I've been kicking and screaming and saying, you've got to rehearse. You've got to spend a few days with your band.

You've got to rehearse. Everybody needs to give a shit. And you should be doing this for your fans and also to make your stress levels smaller and lower. And so then I hear that you're not available to do the shit that I need you to do because you're rehearsing with a bunch of people I don't even know for a show that you booked on your own. And that makes me want to jump out my first story window.

It's not only ridiculous, but it's also unfair. Keep your eye on the prize. You have to rehearse with the UN. You have to go to every soundcheck and you have to rehearse. And you need to know all your songs. Not just blame it on the pussy over and over again. All your songs.

Hey Andy, this is Louis Herman. I'm just calling you about possibly sitting in on my band show at the main in Denver this weekend. We are a Huey Lewis cover band. We're We are a Huey Lewis cover band. We're an all-Jewish Huey Lewis cover band. We're called Louie, Huey, and the Jews.

We'd love you to sit in. You know, you can do whatever you want. If you want to play lead, if you want to, you know, just dance with the maraca, if you want to sing backup, whatever you want, we're in. My thing is to kind of, like, work Jew into all the songs. So it'd be like, I want a new Jew, or like, you know, walking on a Jew line.

But we'd love you to come in. We think you'd like fit in great with all the guys. You know, we're all Jews. Yeah, let me know. Thanks. All right. And we're back. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast.

I'm Andy Frasco. How we doing out there in the world of pandemics, depression, and all around just trying to figure out how to be happy in the present. Because that's the most important thing. This is all we have right now. This fucking moment is all we have right now. So go get out there this week and go fuck shit up. You know, don't worry about how shitty 2021 has been so far. And let's just focus on trying to make the present moment as best as we can. Even if

it's minor baby steps, little inches of movement, little ish inches. I can't talk today. I've had like four cups of coffee. I'm like, woo! Just got back from fucking Charleston, which I fucking love that city. It just recharged me, I was feeling down, as you could probably hear from the last three or four fucking monologues, I'm like, just be fucking happy, I was just trying to tell that to myself, I think, but everyone needs a recharge, whatever it is, you know, I like, I like drinking, I get it, I like, I need interaction, I like drinking. I get it.

I need interaction. I need a little spark of jet fuel to make me feel a little better. Because this year, it's okay to me. We might have lost ourselves a little bit. And that's fine. This was new. A fucking pandemic? What the fuck? I didn't experience. I didn't think I was going to experience a motherfucking pandemic in my lifetime. Do I have to play the goddamn music? You're powerful. You're strong. You got everything

going for you if you want to do it. So don't be a fucking afraid To get after that shit Those dreams, baby Seriously I just had the first episode of the shit show Fuck, it was awesome Seeing all the reaction People getting pumped up People wanting more of it It was just a nice feeling

When you work so hard on something That is completely different You could get shitted on And I got shitted on a little, a couple times, just some fucking, you know, jam banders who didn't, who wanted it to be live or whatever, oh, fuck them, whatever, but, you know, you gotta, like, you gotta try different things, and I did, and I was proud of it people digged it people loved it and I was so stressed out last week I was like

I'm like if I'm going to be I know I was going to be stressed out because I'm like that when I have a premiere I'm just fucking got the spulcus and just running around

anxiety my fucking manager almost quit because I was crazy I mean I apologize but I'm sorry Brian thanks for fucking putting up with me. My guy, Schwartzy, putting up with my crazy fucking ass, you know, because I'm an artist. I'm crazy. And I'm just proud of my work and I'm proud of, and I just want, I just want

the best. I just want it to be the best it could be. And fucking Brian was, oh, God, I feel so bad. I was putting him in the ringer. But he's doing a great job, and so is Rachel and the whole crew. But I know Brian listens to this podcast. So thanks, Brian, for all that you do and all that you have done for me. My boy Jameson fucking worked his dick off. Shout out to Jameson working his ass off. Let's go, big dog.

Big dog. Jameson working his ass off. Let's go big dog. Big dog. Jameson working his ass off out there. Just getting the edits. You know, I'm not easy to work with when I'm stressed out and I understand that about myself. So go watch the shit show. Um, it's going to be fun. The pre-party is presented by Repsy. You know, this, this company that sponsored the pre-party of the shit show is, is, is, it's actually pretty cool. And I wish I had something like this when, you know, I, you know, my store, I've been booking, I booked myself for the first seven years. I booked 2000 or two, yeah, 200 shows a year for the first seven, uh, years. I was emailing and cold calling, you know, 700, 1,000, 1,500 venues every year, just bullshitting like Frasco is huge. He's good. You know, just fucking hyping

me up. And, you know, I think with a company like Repsy, if there was a company like Repsy, who basically, Repsy is the middleman between bookers, booking agents, and artists. So you could sign up on Repsy. If you have a band, you don't have a booking agency yet, and you want to get out there, get on the road, there's a company called Repsy where you could put your stuff and buyers will look at your band and see if it fits for their bar or their venue or their frat party or any private event. So they kind of digitalize booking agencies and it's really sweet and it's really cool. I had a call with the company owners last week and it's something I believe in. You know, I think, why do you have to wait to create your own destiny? You know, I was talking about this last week. With that being said, we have the Curve Vial and Fruit Bats

and the Dawes, Taylor Goldsmith from the Dawes. And I'm going to be in Mexico. I'm going to have a little fun in San Miguel. I am. It's a dude's time, so that'll be a blast. Go have fun.

You know, I feel like we really are rounding the corner on this pandemic. And I'm proud of all of us. You know, it could have got us a little harder, and it probably did. You know, and that's okay. I went through a fucking three or four or five fucking mental breakdowns and that's okay too, because at the end of the day, we could say we survived this thing. And not even just the fucking germs of the fucking Corona,

the Rona, but we survived our heads. I think that's, you know, we distract ourselves and distract ourselves and distract ourselves. When we don't have those distractions, our heads can be like, what? Oh, I'm back, bitch. So we didn't let our minds overtake the beauty that's in our souls, the beauty that it's in our hearts.

So for that, we need to clap it up. Oh, no, not this one, baby. Let's go. Clap it up. Clap it up for yourself because it could have fucked you. You could have had deep, deep thoughts. And if you are, it's okay. Just remember that we're all going through it. Just some people distract themselves from the demons in their heads more than others. But if you're looking for help, there is help. Don't feel like you're alone in this. You need to find therapy. Find therapy.

If you need to find new fucking friends, find new fucking friends. Because at the end of the day, you are important. And don't forget that. Even if some people treat you like shit, even if some people, um, you know, don't, are, forgot about you for a second because they're thinking about themselves, you know, it's, you just gotta let, you know, take a break from your head and do stuff for yourself. Because your brain will trick you into thinking that all this shit is doomsday. But if we take a step back and keep following our dreams, keep following our heart, keep following our souls, we're going to make it through all this shit.

We're almost there. Stay strong. Stay tough. Stay powerful. All right, guys, we got Nathaniel Rateliff on the show, Nathaniel fucking Rateliff is hot off SNL, hot off, he just did a movie with Justin Timberlake, wanted to be on the Frasco show, so I'm like, let's go, and it was like, the day that I, I recorded this the day that the episode one premiere was going on, so,

I recorded this the day that the episode one premiere was going on. So I think I got a good interview, even with my head all fucking just thinking about everything else. But I took a meditation, dove into this conversation because rate lift is important. His words are important. And the story that he brought to the World Saving Podcast is very important. So I can't wait for you to listen to this.

All right, guys. I've been talking for a little bit, a little longer than expected, but get out there. Go fucking have a great week. I promise you. If we try to have a good week, then it'll be better than not trying.

What's the point of not trying to have a good week? You know, you might be sad. You might be fucking depressed. Your job fucking sucks. Your girlfriend's fucking or boyfriend's fucking pissing you off. Whatever it is, don't let it distract you from having a good fucking week because like I said, you fucking deserve it. Go out there and fuck shit up.

You want to make love? Go fucking make love for eight hours. Fuck it. Take a day. Take a Sunday. If you want to take a Tuesday off, tell your girl, baby, tell your insurance company that you're working for to take the day off because we're just going to be fucking. Because we need to start thinking about ourselves. We always think about everyone else. So go out there and get shit done. Nut in the fucking fish tank if you have to. Let's go. Let's fucking go. All right, guys. Enjoy Nathanael Rayliff and I'll catch y'all later.

All right. Next up on the interview hour, we got Nathanael Rayliff. Fuck yes. Chris, play that new single off the movie Palmer. Yo, I mean, he's huge. If you don't know Nathanael Rayliff, he's a great songwriter. He had that song, Son of a Bitch, that blew up. He was a folk guy, singer-songwriter, and then he made that record, that kind of that Motown Review style record,

and now he's going back to his original roots for songwriting. He's one of my favorite artists. I respect him. I just respect him. He worked his ass off. He's on the same management as I am. To see him now on Saturday Night Live and making movies with Justin Timberlake, he deserves it.

making movies with Justin Timberlake. It's just, he deserves it. And I'm really proud to be a little speck in the whole 7S management and Nathaniel Ratliff team. So ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy this conversation I have with Nathaniel Ratliff. It is a taste that's whole And it won't let you go I'm reminded of the cold Now it's taken so much from me Are you worthy of being safe All your fears and insecurities

You set me free You set me free You set me free You set me free Just set me free And there's nowhere to hide And you're only just trying And you're only just lying Yeah

While the desert seems far away And I stumble to everyday Just set me free Just set me free Just set me free Just set me free Just set me free Nathaniel motherfucking Razor. What's up, dude? Not much, man. How you doing?

I'm doing good, man. You know, it's nice to finally meet you. Tell me about the beginning career, you know, like I felt like you were really pushing. You're getting some traction, but not like you did with the Night Sweats. Like what was going through your head when you got dropped by your first label? I mean, I was pretty discouraged, you know because you know you're out there and you just kind of i was really busting my ass and uh you know at the time just kind of taking whatever i could get any kind of tours which sometimes would be like smaller rooms opening for bands in markets that I had already gone through and sold rooms that same size or bigger venues, you know,

so there wasn't, you know, and that was kind of before I got to start working with Chris. So, um, you know, it was like kind of before it was just sort of a, a ship with no direction is what it felt like. So I just constantly working. Um, and then when i you know i started to accumulate all these songs and so i think i brought over like 20 songs um to the label for the second record that i was really excited about and you know basically was just one of those things at the time was just like well i don't hear anything you know i don't hear anything that would

play on the radio and i was like well that's not why you guys signed me right because i don't hear anything, you know, I don't hear anything that would play on the radio. And I was like, well, that's not why you guys signed me. Right. Cause I don't really have any radio songs or I didn't at the time. And that certainly wasn't my focus either. You know? So what was your focus? It's, it's hard to get, um, just discovery of songs, you know, like trying to be honest with myself and in, in the process. And, you know, I feel like each song has something that's like, you know, some sort of enlightenment,

maybe that's personal or just like the way I see the world. Yeah. You know, so you're just kind of writing about experiences in a lot of way, but that, you know, that doesn't always sell records. So, but it turns out in the long run it does It just didn't at the time Yeah, I bet it's tough Especially when you're being vulnerable And you're writing these songs to find yourself in a way

What were you going through during that? Were you always like Did you ever go through depression? Or when you were a kid Did you feel like get picked on or get your ass kicked? Like, what was younger Nathaniel like? Oh, well, yeah, I always got picked on. I was kind of a, you know, up until a certain point, I was pretty quiet and introspective as a kid.

And so, and I was always told, you know, like, turn the other cheek. as a kid. And so, and I was always told, you know, like turn the other cheek and then finally my, you know, like kids would just be like pulling on my ear and slapping me in the face. And I'd just sit there and take it. And then, then one day, you know, I came home like crying or something. My dad was like, don't you let those kids pick on you. And he's like, you only got two cheeks, you know? And so the next day I went to school and I knocked this kid's teeth out and

nobody ever really fucked with me anymore. And it turned out, I, you know, I've been working at like construction sites since I was a little kid. So I was kind of a brute. So yeah. Damn.

So you were working construction. I, so I heard you, you're from, are you from Missouri or are you from Gary, Indiana? No, I'm from Missouri.

What part? A little town called Herman, but we moved around a lot. Lived with a lot of other family members. We were always kind of like struggling to really, you know, I think my dad's best year, he made like $8,000 for the family four. So, and that was his best year. So there was like years where you know in the winter time we're like don't have any you know like the if the furnace was running off coal oil or something like that and we couldn't afford it then we'd sleep on the kitchen floor next to the gas range or the electric range with it open and sleeping bags you know so holy but so we're pretty broke and then like hunted a lot ate a lot of squirrel had a big garden ate a lot of venison you know that kind of stuff so were you religious

was your family religious uh yeah totally like we grew up going to church so um which then that's always a weird thing that like your poverty or your your life struggles are tied into god and you're just like you know god please you know yeah it doesn't doesn't it for like a yeah i don't know you know it's just kind of i certainly moved away from that as i got older and the more i educated myself uh kind of a lover of history and and culture. So with time, that sort of eliminates Christianity, depending on, I don't know, but there are people who are scholars that still believe in God. Yeah. I think it's like, do you believe in when, basically when you're going through your life as a young kid and someone's telling you, you should believe in this because it's just the way it is

when did you have that realization that this wasn't the way that you believed you know and not just been trained um i was kind of questioning it for a while and even like uh joseph pope who's in in the night so it's with me and we've been playing we grew up together in missouri like we moved to den Denver in 98 and joined a missionary organization that was supposed to be non-denominational but it was like Christian non-denominational um and uh we ended up like kind of like doing missionary work with the Hopi natives and uh that kind of like changed everything for me because I was already so infatuated with their culture and history tell me about them to be out there

Easter Sunday morning like you know I just felt like we were disrupting you know it like it wasn't anything different than you know when Europeans moved here and continue to push natives west and you know so yeah i don't know so i i just yeah that kind of like really kind of changed my perspective on things and so needless to say i didn't stay in the missionary world for very long and then just kind of you know i think once i stopped worrying about god or what i thought god wanted me to do my life started to of, you know, I think once I stopped worrying about God or what I thought God wanted me to do, my life started to get better, you know. And then I just started to like push myself. And, you know, I found a good job at a trucking company in Commerce City and was there for 10 years.

And yeah, you know, was playing music with Joseph the whole time. Do you think moving to Colorado saved your life? For sure. I had already worked at the same plastic factory twice in Missouri. I stopped going to school in the seventh grade when my dad passed away. There wasn't a whole lot of opportunity there.

How close were you with your... Just a real Huck Finn kind of story. Sorry. No, I'm fucking in on it. You're floating down the river and yeah. Tell you what, we're eating squirrels and shit. Yeah. No, but.

Yeah. But yeah, so. It's so funny how you talk about that parallel because it's kind of like the same parallel you had with the music industry in your beginning career. Like you wanted to be this other person and the labels trying to make you, you know, change you into

trying to write different stuff. Well, I think they just want something that'll actually, they can not necessarily be, you know, top of the charts, but just something that'll, can be on the radio and and attract more listeners because otherwise it's it's so hard to get people to pay attention to what you're doing you know

um and that continues to change and i think you know that'll continue to change depending on how touring is in the future especially for younger bands and especially with you know we've done a lot to try to save small venues and in, in this sort of like time of COVID, but you know, we'll lose a lot of small venues and that's kind of the launch pad for, you know, this industry or, you know, or I don't want to even call it industry, but it's, it's a, it's a starting point for a lot of people's creativity and without that space

to grow, it's, you know, without that space to grow it's you know like i just don't know you know it's not like everybody can jump on a bus and afford that you have to like you know we used to leave town with like enough gas money to get to the first show you know like crash on somebody's floor or no people we could stay in in other towns you know after a while um but yeah you know or you know i remember like coming back from from a uk and europe european tour and i remember like the the bags we checked ended up being like 800 pounds or something like that and i was like i was like that's all the money we made you know i was like or it was a huge chunk of you know it was like it was a huge chunk um and I hadn't really thought about that and at the time I wasn't having a whole lot of help from you know I didn't have a tour manager

it was just all on me so you know does that stress you out you're out there for like what's that does that overwhelm you when you when all the pressure's on uh it did yeah it did at the time um you know there's certainly things that are overwhelming now or can be um but you know i'm learning how to deal with that and not take on so much of the uh the burden and just try to share it because I'm surrounded by a great group of I have a great team and I have a great band and we've all been through this together

for a long time so it's really like just me learning how to talk about what I need I guess or how they can help because everybody we're all stoked that we're in the position that we're in. Yeah, think about if you had to go through quarantine in the beginning years with your band oh i don't you know i have friends you know or a lot of different levels in the music industry and

you know i saw some of them like just putting out records that this happened you know and a good friend had just played her first late night show and then you know i was like oh you know you feel for you feel for them too because it's like you have years of you know work building up to have that you know what would feel like to be potential momentum and then for it just to like come to a halt um you know i felt that way putting out and it's still all right and you know i still did all right you know um but we weren't able to tour that record and that would have made a huge difference um you know potentially on on how well it sold or yeah but mostly in the scenario for me it's like like we were finally able to go out and tour doing sort of what was my solo stuff that I had kind of started off with more singer-songwriter stuff.

But with the team that we normally have with Night Sweats and actual production and be able to bring people a show, even if it's at a loss. Yeah, you know, and so that was kind of a bummer and then just those songs meant so much to me um you know it's kind of just kind of move on and just keep writing more songs so hopefully people find that record and and enjoy it you know what uh what were you going through during that record that it made it meant so much. You know, you know, originally I was going to make that record with Richard Swift, who is our producer for nice night sweats records and he alcoholism. And yeah, you know,

so there was a big eye opener for me and all the guys in the band. was a big eye-opener for me and all the guys in the band and so I started the record at his place because we had I was playing some of the songs for him and he was always like man it sounds like Nielsen does Newman let's you know he's like can't be too Nielsen he's like can't wait to work on them so so we tried to do it and you know Patrickrick nice and james barone we all worked with richard and so we'd try to make that record um you know within the the ideas of everything he's taught us you know um he was like super open into showing us his method and and we learned a lot from him so we started at his studio national freedom which is still open and then ended um finished the record here at my house but you know there was like there's been a lot of things that

happened since the start of the night sweats and i went through a divorce and that was a pretty tumultuous relationship that was 11 years long and and you know i think divorce is one of those things when you're with somebody for such a long time you have you know it's like nobody really wins in that situation. And there's a lot of different feelings that, you know, you have a sense of loss and then there's a sense of anger sometimes. And so it was nice to be able to express some of that while, you know, also dealing with like the loss of Richard and kind of what he was going through. And he and I were very similar in a lot of ways as far as our, well, I wouldn't say ability, but our tendency to kind of push things too far with substance, you know, especially

with drinking. And, you know, that like sort of like you said earlier, were you depressed as a kid? And, you know, that like sort of like you said earlier, were you depressed as a kid? And I think a lot of people are that, you know, that are creative, kind of struggle with anxiety. And, you know, your insecurities don't get any better standing in front of thousands of people. It just makes you question like you just don't feel worthy sometimes. And that you can kind of internalize all that stuff. And then it turns into a lot of different things um they can make some people real assholes and egomaniacs you know and i think that

that's a big sign of insecurity and then you know i can kind of make other people you know turn inside and push everything down and sometimes you do that by drinking you know or whatever substance you know kind of makes those voices slow down a little bit so we have these moments in our life that change us what was the breaking point for you to stop stop you know abusing yourself um i think kind of like as soon as my ex and I started to separate, we were, we were kind of in the middle of this tour and we were just, we kept calling it even a cruise, like the never ending tour. It just kept like, you know, we were still working that second,

or we were still working the first night sweats record while we were trying to make a second night sweats record and then just touring non-stop in between and then you know it starts to feel like your life's falling apart all the same time and so at one point i was like i just have to like we are scheduled to like finish this tour and go right into the studio with richard um for our third like i can't i like, I just need to go somewhere, and I, like, went to this, like, health retreat, then at first, I was told had no booze there, and as soon as I got there, I was like, there's a full bar, god damn it, and so, you know, but, you know, I just used self-control, and I drank that whole time and then just tried to start changing my relationship with all that.

You know, and same thing, like no more speed, no more. You know, I think you get in a rhythm of things where, you know, you're tired. So you start to like take substance to like make you feel even out. But it's just like it keeps, you you know adding on top of each other you wake up on over and then you're not okay until you have a drink and then you're about to go on stage but you're tired and you know there's yeah you know so it's like this kind of endless cycle unless you put a stop to it and so when i went back in to finish the second record with rich, me and a bunch of the other guys were just totally sober. So I wasn't, you know, just, and we worked really well with Richard.

Richard was also sober because we were, we were kind of helping each other out, you know, and I think that was his third time he had been to rehab at that point. So, you know, and trying to hold each other accountable. Yeah. And, you know, I guess sometimes you start to blame yourself when you're not there for somebody and then to hold each other accountable. Yeah. And, you know, I guess sometimes you start to blame yourself when you're not there for somebody and then they fall off. But it is what it is. But, yeah, I think it's been a journey since then to just try to have better understanding for what I need.

And, you know, in the road, you know, it's a hell of a life, you know, and it can. I don't think it's for everybody. And it can really take it out of you if you let it, you know. Some people, you know, and especially with a band like the Night Sweats, with SOB being our first hit, I think people were just like thinking that we were a party band, which I guess we were at the time. But, you know, people come every night to party and have a good time but you know when you're playing 200 shows a year or whatever somewhere close to that that's a lot of time on the road not just shows and um you know so let's say you're working you know 250 days out of the year so you party that many that many days and like your body just doesn't hold up after a while so and then you know like I'm lucky enough to have like a later start you know like I worked forever trying to you know get my music out there and you know the night sweats kind of

took off in my late 30s so so in order to maintain everything and be able to like dance on stage for 90 minutes i just have to be in better shape you know just kind of like do you want a career or do you want to like not have a career so yeah and you don't you don't pick when you're gonna when when it's your time you know so it's like i think maybe being i think maybe it's also like, you know, maybe you getting poppin' later in your life saved your life a little bit. Because what if you're like poppin' when you wanted to get poppin' and you're into drugs and shit? Well, I think about that a lot.

You know, like back in the days of Joseph and I's earlier band, Born in the Flood, we'd turned down a deal um with roadrunner and i i mostly just didn't want to uh i didn't want to keep doing that band i wanted to start this other project i had called the wheel which eventually was just my name um but also it was like slipkknot and Nickelback were on the roster and I was like, I just can't believe it. Holy shit, I remember that. Roadrunner. It was so bad.

Yeah. Slipknot and Nathaniel Raylou. I think they had a big change of the table, but I didn't. Yeah, I didn't. And I just wasn't ready. You know, I think if I would have gotten our start at like in my 20s, I think we definitely would have fallen apart. I think working longer and trying to, you know, more personal discovery and even more hardships just kind of helps build your personality, you know.

Yeah, I agree. of like when you get popping for something that you know was a new feel for you and then coming back into you know what you want to do what you're doing earlier was that a hard transition to get your fans hip or they just knew the songs were there um well and that was the thing with this last record it was just basically just me and if i needed any of the guys I'd bring them into play but for the most part I just you know I think I needed to write those songs and make that record because I couldn't keep I just couldn't keep doing what I was doing you know and it wasn't pardon me it wasn't that I was done with Night Sweats either I just all that stuff had to get

out and it wasn't going to be a Night Sweats record, you know. And those guys were super supportive. And yeah, you know, I'm blessed to have them as, you know, as my friends and my family. Was it hard to go solo after like all the experiences? And were you thinking like, like how are they going to make money? Or like, did you take care of them?

Like what was going through your head when you're like, fuck it, I'm going solo for a little bit. No, I always keep the band and crew on retainer regardless. But then when we went to go play shows, I, it was basically everybody in the night sweats, but the horn section. And there was actually 10 of us on stage instead of eight of us, because we brought out a quartet. So, um, yeah, but, you know, I keep trying to make sure that everybody is sustained, you know, um,

being the primary songwriter or the only songwriter in the band, um, you know, um, yeah, I can, it can feel one-sided to everybody. So financially, so I keep trying to my best to make sure that everybody feels comfortable. Yeah. Do you sometimes forget about yourself? Um, yeah, I'm not, you know, I, I think maybe I'm, I'm not the best at asking for what I need or what I want, but it is what it is.

I'm still learning. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to give you a clap for that. Let's go, Nathaniel. That's what I'm talking about, finding yourself. It is halftime at the Andy Fresco interview hour. I'm Nick Gerlach, and this is That's Enough with Nick Gerlach.

This week it's That's Enough, Kelsey Grammer. Recently they just announced the 18th season of Frasier after a long break. That's just what we need. Another fucking season of Frasier. Not only did he play it for 17 years, he played it on Cheers for like 10 years before that. There's gotta be term

limits. How much money do you owe for all the DUIs you've gotten? We need you to stop making Frasier. There's plenty of people out there making great original content. 2021, the world is dying. We're in a pandemic. We don't need your dry humor. Our salads are tossed. Our eggs are scrambled.

The dog has been dead for 15 years. The show is over. Stop making Frasier. This has been That's Enough with Nick Gerlach. People are afraid to ask those questions. A lot of people don't ask those questions about how they are until they're in their 60s

or 70s. What was your relationship like with your father? Did you guys have a good relationship? Sort of. He also died when I was 13. It's such a... I think he had a lot

of pressure and we were so poor. It was kind of a... Could be the best guy, the sweetest guy, or just a very Irreable guy Which I am too So thanks dad for that Yeah like how do you

Do you think Do you think you're an asshole when you're Not to get personal But do you think you're an asshole When you're hopped up on the booze And the coke or the speed or whatever? I think I can, I can be an asshole when I'm not doing that stuff. I'm actually, you know, even my girlfriend, she's always like, she's like,

well, you're a really nice drunk, you know, like you're sweet. And, you know, I can, I can be a bear if I'm hung over for sure. Like anybody, or like, I think after a while you lose your ability to like, you know, you just get very impatient, you know, and you're like, why in the fuck isn't this shit like this? And it's really just because you're dropping the ball, you know? So, cause you, you know, i think when you're drinking a lot or partying a lot like you end up like you just feel like you're playing catch-up you know like

you are you know like all of a sudden you'll come out of the haze and like oh there's so much shit that has to be done and then you know that pisses you off yeah or would piss me off and then i you know and then i kind of would like not necessarily take it out on people but I certainly wouldn't be very easy with anyone you know so do you think were you burnt out during that that big sob hit and torn that record like at the end of it do you ever feel like you wanted to quit oh yeah well you know um you know when you push that hard it's you start to wonder you know we'd have great shows and i would just like leave stage and start crying i'm just so overwhelmed and feeling so overworked and you know and then i remember

like mark my piano player i'm just being like man we don't have to do this i wanted to be like the fuck if we don't all you guys have families you know like oh you're such a good person like you're not writing these songs god damn it you know so um you know and so there's there's always that pressure to like um make sure that everybody's sustained you know and that was always my goal too i was i always wanted you know i think when i used to think about success it was like well success would mean you know like people caring about what we're doing artistically and then that everybody you know felt comfortable you know not necessarily super rich but ever you know like that we weren't

worried about like what is what's going to happen at the end of the month you know, not necessarily super rich, but ever, you know, like that we weren't worried about like, what is, what's going to happen at the end of the month, you know? So, uh, and I think we're there, um, you know, but I was, you know, then once you get there and then you're like, well, it could be, could be more than that, you know, like it doesn't really, you know, I guess that's what I keep finding out. It doesn't really stop, you know, like if you, if you create goals for yourself,

they, they continue to, there's always more goals, you know? Yeah. Are you a type of guy that nothing's ever good enough or were a guy? Maybe you've learned now from it, but. Oh,

I don't know if I've learned that. I'm a bit of a perfectionist and a workaholic. So, you know, yeah, I'm like that. I try not to lay that'm a bit of a perfectionist and a workaholic. So, you know, I give it to this man. Yeah, I'm like that too. I try not to lay that shit on everybody else. So I know it's my fault.

So, but I don't say no a whole lot. That's what I was going to ask you. Like, is it hard for you to say no? Hmm. I don't know if it's hard. I just like, you know, when you start, you can say no, but you know, I, I do. And I think, you know, my manager is really good at like saying no for me when, when I need to,

you know, cause most of the time I'll just say yes. So, but I've, I've had some boundaries, you know, and it's, uh, you know, there's some like goofy private show stuff that shows up and then you're like, well, I should probably say yes to this. But, you know, like if it doesn't align with the way I think or, you know, like, you know, I'm not I'm not going to do a big private show for a corporation that I don't like what they do, you know? So I try not to. So integrity is important to you? Yeah, integrity. What's harder for you, performing or writing records?

They're just so different, you know? I feel like, you know, when you go on tour, like you become a personality like. You know, it's like the guy in the Night Sweat show is like a part of me. But I don't I wouldn't like just start dancing in front of anybody. Yeah, I had a feeling. Do you know what I mean? I usually just try to keep to myself as best as I can. But yeah, it changes.

Why did you feel you had to do that for the Night Sweats gig? I just kind of got to a point with the singer-songwriter thing. And even for a while there, I just like... It had kind of... The whole scene had shifted from something I didn't really want to be a part of. And I just got so tired of being so fucking introspective and I was like I could I was like what about you know I was like what if I just write songs that are like fun you know like and you know I think the our first like our very first show it's a Bluebird in Denver

opening for Joe King's album release of Fray. I was like the first time I ever danced on stage or anything like that. And people went nuts. And I was like, Holy shit, this is all it takes. I'm stacking like a jackass up here. And people were eating it up, you know? And so then, then there's this pressure to like kind of become that character. But then after a while, I was like, I am not that guy that guy either you know like some of it makes me feel wildly uncomfortable um you know I remember being on tour and basically everybody in my team was just like man people really dig it when you dance and

I was like oh I just feel so awkward you know so I try to reserve those times for when I really feel it or you know I think at times too, when you're drinking all the time, it didn't really matter if you felt like a clown. But then you just start to get in your head and yada, yada, yada. So yeah. What did you learn from your relationship with your ex-wife that you bring into your relationship with your girlfriend now? relationship with your ex-wife that you bring into your relationship with your girlfriend now?

Boy, I don't even know how to answer that. Sorry. I'm still trying to figure out what I learned from that relationship. I'm still just trying to be a better communicator. Is it

hard for you to communicate how you feel um not in song not at all but talking about things is horrible so yeah yeah like with i have a lot of anxiety around that kind of stuff and then um you know so and i don't know if it's because i'm a libra and in my head i'm just like going back and forth with potential scenarios or, you know, that kind of stuff. So, yeah. What about with like Tets? Is it hard to communicate with Tets? Like people on your team? No, I can be like pretty

Pretty forward Like We have a different relationship, you know And it's not like You know, I'm not gonna hurt his feelings You know, like Yeah Yeah, yeah

So, yeah It's different, so And with the band too You're like that too You could be vulnerable That's tough for me too You know, I like you know and it's funny because i i have a relationship with tets and we're really close um but i don't feel like i ever need to walk on eggshells for his feelings you know and i i feel like sometimes i do that with a lot of other people

in my life so yeah man it's just end up tiptoeing around and um you know which then kind of makes me seem cagey too you know like i'm like yeah exactly we're like ballerinas in our own heads you know and sometimes i you know it's like it's maybe it's easier to be um more straightforward like i i'm you know, I've been working with Schwartz on the other side of 7S for about five years now. You know, it's like sometimes I get moody and I, you know, he has to deal with me and he understands that, you know, I might be on a low dopamine from fucking playing 13 shows

in 10 days or something, you know what I'm saying? Right. But, I mean, I think I do the same, Chris, if i'm having too good of a time over an extended period of time i'm sure he's you know uh the like what the fuck text you know probably start rolling in but uh that's just the shorts too doc and then you know the next day i'll be like sorry dude, dude. He's like, hey, you're fine. Yo. Make sure you take care of yourself out there. That's good.

Yo, tell me what you feel about Saturday Night Live. Was that a big accomplishment for you? Oh, yeah. You know, and first time I've ever been nervous, I think, like, you know. But, you know, Saturday Night Live is one of of those it's like that show

that's like been a part of my life since before i was born you know what i mean like it just feels like it's it's been there for such a long time that i grew up watching reruns you know of all these you know familiar faces and voices that like continue to shape film and comedy uh and even you know some some dramatic actors as well and so um i feel like it's played a really big part in in our culture you know yeah yeah and also you know just to be able to make satire about what's happening in our country and around the world i think is important um you know especially you know with our previous administration you know you know where they start start to get upset or even threaten people on the show

you know i i would i would hate it if that show wasn't there. I think it's important for them to poke fun at people and poke fun at the way we act as a country and what our culture is like. Yeah, isn't that songwriting too, in a way? Yeah, in a lot of ways. I think that's comedy as well. I think if you look at somebody like Dave Chappelle or, you know, from his show until, you know,

I think he's still talking about the same things that he was on that, you know, the first episode of the Dave Chappelle show, he's just has a different voice now and, you know, and, and for him to like sit in front of people and like, you know, change everything from being like, I'm Rick James bitch to like actually talking about what's happening socially in our country.

Yeah. And to still somehow tuck in a couple of jokes in there. But, you know, getting people to question the way they view things and the way they see things, I think was his intentions from the beginning too. You know, but you know getting people to question the way they view things the way they see things i think was his intentions from the beginning too you know he's like we can talk about what's happening in our country and what's happening with race and poverty you know and and make

and pick fun out of it but people weren't perceiving it that way. And so he needed to like, you know, I think that's why he removed himself. I can't really speak for him either. You are a big inspiration to me, Nathaniel. Just how you, how you say your words and how you've fought your career

is really inspiring to me, man. Because I know I watched that old documentary you did with that, on that bus and shit. I didn't, I couldn't believe that was you, you know, like with all those musicians. Like, what was that like?

What inspired you to get in a bus with all these cats and write songs, you know? Well, I didn't have a whole lot going on other than that. I was jumping from tour to tour, and it seemed like a good opportunity, and I was already friends with a lot of those folks. So, um, you know, and part of it was great. I think I was actually separated at the time from what would now be my ex-wife.

And then also I've been sober for like, you know, I was sober for like six months at that point or somewhere in there. Yeah. By the end of all of it, I was sober for six months. So I was like dealing with a whole lot and just miserable. I was such a miserable motherfucker. And I had been dropped by the label at that point. And I'm like, what am I doing here? My life's falling apart.

But then you just keep working. And I remember just like hate fucking the crowd with the sad songs too. Just like, are you in another non-hit? Eat this shit. and I remember just like hate fucking the crowd with this sad songs too just like are you in another non-hit eat this shit you know like I just kept I fucking you know like yeah like start start to set off with just like you know I get it I get it Yeah Yeah Yeah exactly So I was just like Yeah I'd be like Here's a song called Falling Faster Than You Can Run

It's six minutes long And nothing happens And It's one of my favorites Enjoy See you later You know Oh I love it

Yeah Cause I really like that But I learned that too You know And even like Yeah I you know Went on tour with Chuck Regan

And you know And that's a totally different scene went on tour with chuck reagan and you know and that's a totally different scene and i love chuck and all those guys that are a part of that but yeah you know i'm you know we're playing a mohawk club and in fucking new york and uh yeah and uh buffalo new york is like a famous punk club. And me with nylon string guitar, I'm like, who am I going to fucking do for it? But it, you know, it ended up teaching me, I have to work for, you know, sometimes you just have to fucking work for the songs.

You have to work for your audience to care about what you're doing. Even if you're not there, like in their genre, you know, you just, cause whatever they're attached, you know, whatever they connect with in punk or whatever, it's like, um, you know, like I can still be that visceral with the,

just a guitar, you know, just have to like myself that way. And I had to learn how to present myself that way. So, and then probably also taught you how to, um, work on the things that are hard for you in life, too, personally.

You know, instead of just shooing it under the fucking rug. Yeah. You know, being on stage is a constant reminder of what you want to change. So, you're like, oh, yeah. That's beautiful. Why did I eat pizza last night? Fuck, I shouldn't have done that Fucking eight ball I'm the same way

I'm going to have indigestion for a week Got acid reflux I got to fucking dance my ass off right now Yeah exactly Oh shit Nathaniel it's been a pleasure man Thank you so much I know you're a busy dude I know you're fucking working

thank you for your service as a musician and I live in Denver so hopefully we can connect and get to have a real hang and congratulations on redemption working with Justin Timberlake that's fucking tight dude look at you dog

just fucking being a pimp I was so stoked I got to tell Pat Meese dude. Look at you, dog. Look at you. Just fucking being a pimp. I love that. I was so stoked when I got to tell Pat me. So I was like, yo, just had a conversation with JT. He's like, what? He's like, JT? He's like, yeah, man.

He's like, super nice guy. Yo, and for you to even like be homies with him where you could just like, yo, yo, JT, what's going on? Yo, congratulations on the movie release, bro. Well, I can't wait to see it. You wrote a great song for it, man. And I'm rooting for you, bro.

So keep up the good work. Thanks, man. I got one last question for you, and I'll let you go. What do you want to be remembered by, Nathaniel Rayliff? I just hope people remember me as a, you know, I just want to be remembered as a good guy, kind person, you know. Yeah.

That's it, really. Will, I'm going to clap to that. Let's fucking go, big dog. You're doing it good. You're doing it good. Hey, bud. Have a great day. Thanks for being on the show, and hopefully I catch you soon, bud. Have a great day. Thanks for being on the show. And hopefully I catch you soon, bud. Give Tets a hug from me, will you?

Will do. All right. Take care, bud. Bye. And there you have it. Nathaniel Rateliff. Great dude. That was fun. I was a little nervous because he's kind of one of my idols. I love that record. was fun i was a little nervous because he's um you know he was kind of one of my idols i i um i

love that record um um the record was son of a bitch on it but and i also love it and then i started going deep into his stuff because i was into damien rice and stuff and i got into his earlier stuff that was more folky when he was talking about and it was beautiful too so thank you nathaniel for uh taking the time to talk to old Frasco. Now, a message from the UN. I got drunk again. Goddamn. Even got into it with my mom. Gonna be hearing about this one till she's gone. Don't know how I got so fucked up in such a little time. Like I was maintaining, but we all know that's a lie.

Why, why, why? My, my, my. I got drunk again. Why, why, why? My, my, my. Why, why, why? I got drunk. Goddamn.

Thanks, Nathaniel. That was dope as fuck. Thanks for giving your time. I know you're a busy man doing SNL and just being a badass. So thanks for being on the show. We're going to close out the show with actually a company I'm pretty proud to represent. They've always set me up. Nectar Sunglasses.

We got Sean Holmes, the owner, creator, visionary, right? Yes, sir. How you doing, Sean? I'm good, man. I'm glad to have you here. Dude, Charleston's amazing, bro. It really is. Do you think this is like the perfect city to grow a business like yours? I think so. We kind of found it as like a smaller place, a lot of eyewear is out west. And I grew up in Richmond, Virginia, which is probably triple the size, but it's got that hometown feel, but it's also got ocean. Uh, you know, we're two hours from the mountain. So it's just a nice centralized hub on the East coast. Do you think, um, this, um, playground, I'll call it a playground that is Charleston helped you, um, grow your business?

I think so. You know, early days of the company moved it from Atlanta to Richmond where I grew up and naturally I knew more people there and network was stronger. So it grew a bit quicker and here it's so small, like you can run into the same people at different bars. So it's definitely helped us gain traction, especially in such a smaller city. You want your hometown people waving your flag. Yeah, totally sunglasses what's your uh why do you love them oh man it's a long loaded question but um eyewear got into it back in the day because we saw just in the market you know everyone had you know there's no real like lower price point glasses when these things are depreciating assets you're gonna scratch and break, lose them at some point.

And we've all been through these experiences where someone steps on them or you lose them and you're bummed out. It's like they should be an asset to your adventure and not a burden to wear or something. It shouldn't feel like your laptop is falling off your desk. It should be like, well, it's all good. This is something I wear every day.

So we wanted to make them accessible, affordable, but also not really lose that quality either. So that was kind of the idea. and there's a lot of competitors now so we've been working on ways to kind of separate ourselves out from them. It's dope yeah because I always get have an existential crisis when I want to buy some like Tom Ford's or something like fucking

500 bucks and I'm like what the fuck like I'm going to lose these or break these I mean to have like good I mean all to have like good, I mean, all your glasses are stylish and they're fucking, they're pimping.

And to be at a lower price hold, is that, is it hard to like get materials that where you could like kind of make a profit on them? No, I think, you know,

the profits there, you know, those companies that do charge over 200, they're making a killing and it's really the brand that's really holding them up. And, um, you know, it's something that we don't want to sacrifice on the lenses. We make sure the lenses are great because that's what you're really looking through. You need that world to be crisp and clear. Um, and the frames, we have worked

with different materials throughout the years and we're slowly transitioning to like recycled water bottles, trying to leave lesser of a footprint, materials isn't the hardest i think the lens is really most important and that's taken a long time to kind of curate find what's best fit for our price point without really sacrificing the quality the clarity yeah so lenses is the game it is yeah so with that being said once you mastered the lens like your new branding is now you're getting these like thicker glasses that really feel you know high quality they're i mean they're badass you showed me some of these things and they're yeah you're the first man really first people to see him man i'll take a clap let's fucking go hell yeah i'm i'm in that shit but um so what why the move on the on moving towards that

a new direction in your branding? Yeah, I think it's just been, we had our ninth birthday this month, which is crazy. Nine years. Yeah. Shade under a decade, they say. Shade under a decade.

No, it's been a long journey for us. And I think that, we really wanted to scale this thing up for a long time. And it's been a challenge. There's always new competitors. There's a lot of people pitching kind of the same thing we are, like affordable um, we partnered with a company out of Richmond where I'm from that does branding to help us kind of reposition nectar. It's still

going to be the same nectar the way I explained it to my dad, because he doesn't really know what rebranding means. I was like, think about it. Like some girl you see dressed up for the first time and you're like, dang, she looks good. Now it's the same girl. She's just wearing the right clothes that fit her, you know? Yeah, I like that. So it's the same kind of deal with what we're doing. We're just like dressing up. We've matured a lot as a brand. Our products have grown up and we're kind of pushing everything to East Coast, doing a campaign called Salt of the East. So like play off of Salt of the Earth. Really wanted to like resemble who I am, like just like humble. Like I walk people to the door. I want people to feel that same experience when they interact with our brand on social media or website. And one of the biggest things we're doing

is naming all the renaming, all the collections after cities and towns on the East coast. So like we have like a Kitty Hawk for our aviator. We invented fucking aviation. So we should be proud of that, you know? Yeah, fuck yeah. People have some relevancy there and like a local feel from Maine to the Keys. That's dope, man. It's like, how important is rebranding a business being a business owner?

Yeah, this will be my first time rebranding. Is it stressful? It is. I think I've worked harder the past six months than I ever have, but it's exciting. I know where we're going and everybody we've gotten to share this with of like pieces of our journey to this point. It's allowed us to bring in really good talent and support this.

They're believing in it. It really hits home. And you know, for example, Justin from Susto. Great guy. We read him the, like the manifesto of what salt of the East means. And he was like, you're going to make me cry, dude. Like it hit home with him. What is the manifesto of what Salt of the East means, and he was like, you're going to make me cry, dude. It hit home with him. What is the manifesto of Salt of the East?

I don't have it memorized, but I could. But to you? To me, it's about representation of who I am, but the East Coasters in general. We surf shittier waves. We snowboard icy conditions. And when you put us in good waves or go to powder, we do really well. Kelly Slater is from Cocoa Beach, Florida. He's one of the best surfers

in the world. I want there to be this underlying chip on our shoulder of like, we're hug givers. We're oyster shuckers. We care about other people. And I want it to be like, we're treating and selling to real humans. And we want to treat it that way versus more so like a lot of our competition is out west and they're playing off the cali vibes which i fucking love california but it's not where i'm from and i love it over here more i think they're just the ethic work ethic that's like rooted in the immigrants who first came here and it's and you know it's like people could smell bullshit you know authenticity wins the race every time right Right. And I want it to be authentic feel

as well. This isn't like I was forcing. It's been the most natural thing we've done in a while because it feels right and people are aligning with it just naturally. So I'm excited to launch it in the world here soon. So what's the dream for you? I think for somebody to see Nectar and think of us as a rad East coast brand, there's not many boutique brands. And I wear, we have Costa in Florida, but that's kind of offshore fishing,

little rednecky vibes. It's not our thing. Yeah. You know, we want it to be a cool brand and we want to do it through telling cool stories. Yeah. Um,

we just did a shoot this morning with a woodworker out of North Charleston Landrum Tables. And the dude takes reclaimed wood and makes these amazing products. And there's craftsmanship and there's a story there. And we want to tell those stories versus paying some influencer who has, you know, they think they're a public figure because they got 20,000 followers. Yeah, exactly. They're not publicly influenced anybody. Yeah.

Except their ass. Yeah, or except their echo chamber. Right. influence anybody yeah except their echo chamber right you know it's like and you're like you know it's i keep going back to authenticity because like the minute did you watch fake famous on hbo i haven't yet holy fuck sean this is is that a real thing yeah they get they um had three random people they auditioned like 10 000 people and they picked maybe that's too many people but um maybe a thousand people and they um they picked uh three people to get famous and they basically put the the russian bots in to start the algorithm and then they got popping and then people were

following them oh shit and then they started becoming an influencer and then but they had nothing they didn't have any story it It was just they wanted to get famous. I mean, there's a difference between fame and being famous just to be famous and being famous or an influencer for something you believe in. Right. I think fame will forget you.

At some point, it's going to fall off. Yeah. And I think there's a cool article called Brands vs. b-l-a-n-d and it's about how like you see these startups that have like vc capital funding like quip or hello fresh and they're so welcoming and like they've got no depth they're just trying to be like hello everyone welcome and they're like they don't want to piss anybody off yeah and they're now they're finding studies that they have no legs to stand on because they have no brand loyalty. It's people are coming in and like buying this really pretty looking front end

with nothing to back that up. And I feel like that's what influencers are. Like they just don't have much to them besides they look good. Yeah. You know, it's and for the sake of making art, I mean, I feel like eyewear is art as much as music is art or painting is art. Um, is it hard for you to get inspired? Is it hard? Do you ever get in like, uh, I call it a writer's block, but like an artist block of like, how am I going to create the new style?

Like what, what, what goes through your head when you're creating a new glass? Yeah, it's tough. I mean, you know, you you know the saying too many cooks in the kitchen yeah there's sometimes where you can get feedback from too many people and you just get like a writer's blog you're like oh shit this you said this was too big you said this was too small and then you start kind of crossing yourself up and and getting in your own way i think for me it's i do a lot of inspiration from like our factories work with our they're constantly producing new things and we get stuff in and tweak them and we'll design stuff from the, from the ground up to like,

what do we really like? And I think for me, the most important part, instead of chasing like trends, which are, if you hit a trend or like a wave on the upslope, you're going to crush it. But if you catch a trend on the downslope,

it's dead inventory. And I want to reduce the size of those risks. So what really comes down to is like, do they fit you well? Like if they fit well, people are going to wear them. This is a intimate purchase, right?

Like I've had experiences at events where it'll touch a girl's face and she'll be like, Nope, you didn't even look in the mirror and they just know that it doesn't feel good. So that's been a big factor for how I designed shades is like, I want them to feel really good. That means it's going to give for me the best chance that they're going to

wear them for a lot longer than going too crazy in one wild direction or too fashionable. It's like, it's just too hit or miss. You said you're going to, for our podcast listeners, you're going to like take a percentage off if they order online or something? Yeah.

So what are we going to do? Head over to, is it Nectarsunglasses.com? Yep. And type in Frasco. Yep, Frasco. And you get a percentage off. Go check out the glasses. We'll do 20% off.

Let's fucking go. Dude. Only on the World Saving Podcast, baby. You get cheap glasses for even cheaper. That's fucking awesome. But yeah, I really love your product. I mean, I've been rocking your shit for a couple years now. And every time I come into Charleston, you always welcome me with open arms.

for a couple years now and every time I come into Charleston, you always welcome me with open arms and I just appreciate your friendship and I appreciate what you guys bring to the community because without companies like you, Charleston, you know, loses its charm, you know? It's important for these companies and entrepreneurs who are young

and ready to fucking work to um give a little more charm to the city so thanks for being on the show sean thanks for having me man i always love having you come through town and dude man it's been uh it's been cool watching your journey as well like this podcast is amazing like you know see i remember my buddy said he had the best night of his life last night seeing your music and you went in with your own band so yeah i was just playing with kanika and the all Charleston All-Stars. Right. Well, that's the thing.

It's like when people are... I think we have to surround ourselves with people that inspire us to keep us moving. My thing is I never want to go stagnant. I want to keep... Even if it's a slow grind, I always want to go stagnant you know i want to keep just keep even if it's a slow grind i always want to keep moving forward right you know and to have people like you in my life and other people like

who are just as passionate about other things it just it's a it's a collective and it's inspiring so thanks for being on the show sean so much for having me um one last thing um we do a motivational speech at the end of the thing. I'm going to play some music. I want you to fucking pump up this crowd. Whatever you think is going to fucking inspire them to have a great week. Are you ready? I think so. Let's fucking

go. Alright, Fresco listeners. Guess what? Pandemic's still happening. But, nature's right outside. You go out there, be around nobody, go enjoy the fresh air, put your feet in the soil, feel what Mother Earth, this spaceship

Earth has to offer, and go out there and get it. Feel good? Take care. We'll see you later, podcast fans. Have a good night. You tuned in to the fourth season of the World Saving Podcast with Andy Fresco. Produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Angelone, Chris Lawrence.

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Big thank you to this week's guest. I had a first-time experience today. It didn't involve any food I never tried before, or music I hadn't heard, or sex I never tried. You know, if you stick it somewhere unexpected, and just sort of, it kind of... Oh, never mind. I was driving towards the sunrise and the lakes were frozen up.

And I was checking this heartwarming musical project on the car stereo. I hadn't been out for months, let alone on a musical trip because of that dreaded lockdown. And my first time experience rolled over me like a wave. As I suddenly realized how much in love with life I am. So I sat there driving my car, smiling like crazy. With that swollen woolly chest being so much in love. In love on my own on Valentine's Day. And it felt great.

And then it passed. The moment changed. The scenery changed. The song changed and I remembered the cynics saying first times never return, second times can be great but never like the first one. And I thought of my humble sexual learning curve and yes, it got better but I don't remember most of it except the first time.

But somehow these exceptional moments of love and probably true happiness feel brand new over and over and over again. I wish you all uncomfortable first-time feelings. See you next week.