Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 13: Portugal. The Man

Episode Date: July 10, 2018

A late night ride in the tour van has our hosts wondering: is it illegal to podcast and drive? Portugal. The Man join us on the interview hour to prove that Trail Blazer fans and Lakers fans can coexist peacefully. Also! Dolav shares his conflicting views on Lebron James. Ahri shares his spoiler-free Westworld Season 2 review. Yeti & the Fro dive ever deeper into the minutiae of social media. The verdict? It's 2018, folks. Time to eat that butt. This is Episode 13. To keep up with the podcast, follow us on Instagram @WorldSavingPodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. For more info on our guest, Portugal. The Man, visit: www.portugaltheman.com Thanks to our sponsor, Receptra. Visit them at receptranaturals.com Produced by Andy Frasco Yeti Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Dolav Cohen Ahri Findling Arno Bakker Shawn Eckels & Andee Avila

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It's 2018 I'm eating that ass this year So don't shower You are listening to the World Saving Podcast With Andy Frasco and a fucking Yeti Start the goddamn show. What's up, everybody? We're here.

Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast with Yeti. On the Road Edition. Another one. Another one. It is six in the morning. I am taking the wheel and doing a podcast at the same time so if i have to make a quick turn i might have to drop the mic but um we we're in a beautiful country amigo it's gorgeous here and that's why the sun's just coming up we are literally driving underneath mount hood right now yes we drove 17 hours well joe drove 17 17 hours i'm taking the last two we were asleep in the back

and suddenly the van pulls over and we're in the middle of this forest and i was like this is it this is the end of the road for yeti they're dropping me off at home sasquatches found found his home but not two seconds before we recorded this podcast i got out of the van to get into the front seat and andy frasco thought i had just opened and closed the door and started to take off legit and i'm holding all our podcast equipment i like knock on the window and he turns over he's like oh not the podcast equipment you can come back all right you can come back you go back too since you're holding it thanks how. How are we feeling, Yeti?

How are you feeling? Are you feeling lethargic on this 6 a.m. drive? You know, I mean, I'm used to being up this time. Yeah? Yeah, I get up at 5.30 every morning. What time do you go to bed at? Like 10. 10?

Yeah, 10, 10, 10. That's good. Yeah. You can get seven hours of sleep most nights. I like waking up early. I like seeing the birds chirp. Seeing them chirp? You're not awake yet.

See, I'm still tired. Where are you driving? I don't know. We've stopped at two places for coffee and nothing's open yet. I was like, I'm pretty sure none of these fools are up until seven. I know. Tell them what's going on. What are we talking about today, Yitz?

I got so many things to talk about. I want to talk about feelings. Feelings. I want to talk about how when you get into something, when you fall in love with something, but you still think the grass is greener on the other side. Oh. Why do you think that is?

I experienced this. When I was married, I was in Las Vegas and ended up having a girlfriend down there for a night, so to speak.

Yeah, I ended up hooking up with... So you cheated on your chick. Yeah, I cheated on my wife. This was like 10 years ago now. And I regretted that. Did you regret it while you're busting a nut? No. Of course not.

No, I didn't. And even right after, it was kind of like, eh. But when I got home and when I was around my wife again, I knew I shouldn't have done that, even if I wasn't happy in my marriage. And it turned out that's why. But if it had been another reason, I would have needed to find that too. Did you guys get divorced right after that?

That's what, yeah, she kicked me out. She kicked you out? Were you honest with her? Yeah, I was honest. She actually, I had a friend of mine. She found out doesn't mean you're honest. No, no, no. I told her, but she already knew.

And I didn't know that she already knew. So a guy that was a close friend of both of ours had told her. And he told me, he's like, you got to tell your wife. So I did. And she was super calm about it, which was cool. But at the same time I was like what's going on

and she's like well Jake already told me so what a fucking snitch yeah that was your homie yeah

was he was my homie man this is what I'm talking about like you can't just give out your love and like I'm talking about

friendships with your your friends like I'm dealing with I'm talking about friendships with your friends. Like, I'm dealing with the same thing with my group of friends I've hung out with since kindergarten. You know, I'm just keeping that relationship alive, I think. You know, they don't care about me. You know, I got my homie Dolov. You know, he loves me. But a lot of those homies I hang out with, they don't care about me.

They don't have a message just hanging on to memories of the past because i don't like change boom and that and i don't want the idea around you don't want the idea of having new lifelong friends yeah no i don't yeah i i never thought that was a thing and until i older and realized, wait, I'm meeting people like Yeti. I mean, people like my tour manager, Joe, I mean, people, Justin, you know, like people that have come to my life later on that I am more close with than the people I've known since kindergarten. Well, and you have more in common because you guys have come together on the path that you're on. You know, I met you on the path that i'm on and we met each other and our paths happen to be parallel and uh or even divergent at on in some way is that me is that

no explain that again okay sorry it's okay focusing on driving uh so when yeah when you meet because you met you met these people, you were, I mean, it's kind of like we went to the same kindergarten. That's how we know each other. And now, here you are later on in life

and you've met these people and it's because they've come onto your path where you are. And it was the same way then. It wasn't any different. Just happened to be in a school system

that puts you all together and you live in the same town. This is a system that we're all, you know, you and I are in the entertainment industry and we've met each other through that. I get it. But why do we feel like we have to hold on to things from the past just to hold on to them? I was looking for coffee. They don't have it. No, I thought you were going to say, but what about Joe?

That makes sense, Yeti. That going to say, but what about Joe? That makes sense, Yeti. That's real deep. But what about Joe? That wasn't your question. No, no, no. Why do we what? Why do we hold on to things from the past? Like, why are we so focused on if we don't love it anymore, why do we hold on to it?

Like, is it, are we now being selfish or are we yeah it is a self-centered thing to not let go of it it's completely self-centered to let go of thing not let go of things that um that don't serve us anymore really yeah you ever heard the difference between selfish and self-centered? No. So selfish is saying, I have a boundary and I don't want you to cross it. That's being self-concerned. Yeah. Self-centered in the way I'm talking about it now is saying everything revolves

around me and it's all about me. And because it doesn't fit me, I don't like it. So there's a lack of reciprocity there. It's all about me. And because it doesn't fit me, I don't like it. So there's a lack of reciprocity there. It's all about me. It's all about how I feel. Selfish is saying, I understand that we've been friends, you know, in this case, we've been friends for a long time, but this isn't going to work. And what's the best thing for me is to put a line in the sand here and say this is this is the furthest i'll go in this relationship i feel like the same goes with like facebook and stuff like no one's becoming closer friends because of facebook social media sucks yeah follow us on frasco yeah follow us on frasco even though it sucks um no but like you get what i'm saying like they feel like we don't have

to have conversations with people anymore because they think they know what they already are doing. But really, people are only showing all the good stuff

that happens to people, not the shitty stuff. You know, that stuff's important in a friendship to get through. You know, you can't just like,

oh yeah, I've been seeing you on Facebook, look like you're doing fucking awesome. What about the times when you weren't feeling awesome? Like everyone's not feeling great all the fucking time. That's like impossible.

Yeah. And that sounds psychotic too. It is psychotic. And the thing that's crazy is that the most important people in your life are the people that are there through everything. The people that experience those non-highlight moments. You know? Because it is absolutely true. Everything that we plaster, whether it's something we type down for Twitter or something we take a picture

of and edit the fuck out of and then put up on Instagram. Take 600 selfies just to get that one, right? Just to get the one. Oh my god. That takes a lot of fucking time. I could see girls. I feel bad for a lot of girls sometimes. I've definitely seen more women spend a lot of fucking time. I could see girls. I feel bad for a lot of girls sometimes. I've definitely seen more women spend a lot of time in the car taking a selfie.

Not driving. I'm not talking about that. I'm just saying in that. Because you get some good light inside a car. I get it. I mean, we can't talk. We're fucking doing a podcast in a fucking van searching for coffee. Sorry for that irony.

But it's true, though. I mean, like, we spend most of our time trying to get the perfect shot or perfect post instead of actually living that life. European tour manager Rolf's like, Andy, you can't be on your fucking phone when you're talking to fans.

Are they, oh, on stage? Yeah. Well, when I'm on stage, I'm trying to do all the social media and stuff for the band too so like oh yeah and look it comes off like i'm just texting people which sometimes when the show's boring i am texting people oh my god is that what you're doing the other night what you were doing that the other night i was just pissed off at the band and disconnected so when i disconnect i get selfish and i just look

at your phone i look at my phone and i i fucking warp out i gotta that's something i'm starting to work on how are you working on it by turning off my phone yeah when i'm with people when i'm surrounded with people i want to i only get one hour a year with. Maybe just leave it in the van. Yeah, leave it in the van. But it's so hard, man. We are addicted to our cell phones. It is just as bad of an addiction as any other addiction, as drugs, alcohol.

It's serious. It does. Because there's a direct link between our phones and our serotonin levels what's what's the link i mean there's those endorphins that we get from feeling good about likes about attention that's those serotonin levels right and so we receive that positive affirmation or we see we receive, I think is a better way to put it. Because it's not always positive and it's not always affirmation. And when I receive that, I feel good.

And so I'm going for that again. I'm like, oh, somebody liked my post. Oh, we got more followers. I did a really good job on that story and people are responding to it and laughing. good job on that story and people are responding to it and laughing rather than you know you're getting the exact you get the same feedback when you're sitting in front of a person did you know that yeah they like what you're saying they comment back and they share it with their friends later yeah and i think i think we forget this takes longer time it's not instantaneous but at the same time that isn't it neither is what people are doing on social media. Maybe our attention spans are

just getting fucking worse and worse and worse. You could see like, even like, what's the longest you'll watch a video for if you're not in it? Oh, like a music video? A music video, a YouTube video, any video. Oh, I'm 30 seconds. 30 seconds. 30 seconds, maybe. You might have a minute remember when you used to watch the whole youtube video yeah or you used to listen to a whole song and not just yeah hear the verse and hear the chorus and say oh nope done skipping through skipping next tracks next oh i don't like that part yeah it's tough our attention because we have instant well it's instant gratification.

I mean, before you had… You know, you listen to fucking an 8-track. There was no moving that. You just listened all the way through. Cassettes… Eventually, they got the thing where it figured out at the end of the song. You could fast forward to the end of the song. Yeah.

But there was no way. But I blame CDs in the digital age. I mean, think about it. CDs? I blame singles. All of it. I mean, think about it. CDs? I blame singles. All of it. I mean, these are things that you can skip. You know, the ability to skip something,

the ability to move past something with just the touch of a button with a passive movement has created this society. Hold on, cop. Cop. We're good. That was close.

I don't know if you can I don't know if you can get pulled over In the state of Oregon for podcasting and driving I've been podcasting You were all over the road Sir you've been podcasting while driving That's a $200 fine We were smoking a ton of weed

That's cool You're in Oregon You just can't podcast and drive. Can't podcast and drive. We're not smoking weed and driving, by the way. Yes, we are. Oh, okay. Who cares?

They can talk about it. I don't give a fuck. We smoke weed in this band. They know that. I was listening to a program a couple weeks ago, and they were talking about loneliness, and especially amongst younger people. talking about loneliness and especially amongst younger, younger people. And they said that,

you know, there's a direct link between the social media phenomena and this, the people feeling lonely, FOMO and all of this. And I was, I was at work where I do construction stuff and there's all these guys and we're all outside on top of roof and every single one of us are like just go outside stop staying inside like all these people are expressing their loneliness and this study and they're talking about it and just go outside and you'll interact with people and that really is what the study came down to is that you have to put yourself out there and you have to interact with people. And that for some people, that is a problem. Like they have a genuine, they have a genuine problem with connecting, but for the rest of the people that don't have that,

that can connect with people and they can carry on a conversation and don't have a, you know, agoraphobia, fear of going out in public or anything like that for them, it's, it's your own damn fault. If you're not, if you're lonely, because you're, you're, you're choosing anything like that. For them, it's your own damn fault if you're not, if you're lonely. Because you're choosing to be that. True. By continuing to isolate yourself

through whether it's social media or your lack of interaction with people face-to-face. Like self-sabotaging your happiness. Yeah. Because we're the ones that are responsible for our happiness. We're the only ones. Yeah, I agree.

Individually. No one else is going to make us happy. No one else is going to bring us happiness. We are responsible for our own happiness. Then why are we still trying to make others happy before we're making ourselves happy? Do we think making others happy will make us happy? Is that guy peeing on the side of the road? No, he's just looking at something.

I know. I think these kids are waiting for the bus. These are all school children on a Monday morning waiting for a bus. Every time I'm in this part of the country, I feel like the Roshanese from Wild Wild Country with their red outfits are going to come out, pop up from the lands and make you drink the

fucking Kool-Aid. What happened to Andy? He disappeared into a cult in the Pacific Northwest. I met a girl named Rainflower Bear and we fell in love and made children named Aspen and Mardi Gras. Why Mardi Gras. Why Mardi Gras?

This is the last time I take peyote with my wife. We went to Mardi Gras. Saw Carl Dent's Tiny Universe. Saw Carl Dent's Tiny Universe. Man, I had to remember that forever. So my child's name is Mardi Gras now. Mardi Gras. We just call him Gras.

Why not Mardi? I hate that name. No, just Gras. Just Gras. Just Gras. We just call him Grau. Why not Marty? I hate that name. No, just Grau. Just Grau. Just Grau. But going back to what you were saying, I think it's important to start taking care of yourself, to start thinking about yourself as well,

not your spouse or worrying about the feelings of your parents or how they're going to feel about what you're going to do. You have to do things for yourself at the end of the day. That's the only way we're going to start building a better relationship with ourself is talking to ourselves and seeing what we like now. I know we're getting older now and we're going to have different feelings

and different things we like than we used to like when we self-analyzed ourselves back in the sixth grade and fifth grade. We knew ourselves better in the fifth grade than we do now. There's so much less to know. Well, not really. There was so much more to be discovered. There's so much that was unknown. I think it's also

we weren't afraid to talk to our imaginary friends and we weren't afraid to play in the park by yourself I used to throw football to myself oh yeah were you a loner kid? I was totally a loner kid

I used to dress up like Batman when I was in kindergarten and then not dress up like Batman when I was like kindergarten and then not dress up like Batman. And my parents were like, where's Andy? Where's Andy? They pretend that I was Batman. Oh, my God.

I think that's what got – I mean, my parents are a huge part of why I'm a musician today because they said to me, listen, you can do whatever you want. I don't care what it is. You know, just don't, don't get in trouble. Yeah. Just do something that is good and brings about good. And you're doing that. So here's our next episode.

Enjoy the next interview. We'll get, we'll keep talking about this. I want to keep talking about this because this is important. I think people are forgetting about it. I'm super excited for this next interview we have the lords of portland on the show this week portugal the man from alaska now portland these guys are awesome super down to earth i thought i really related these guys they love basketball they love the trailblazers even though i whooped that ass those legos about to whoop that ass this year and uh their music

is great we talked about just living life as an independent artist in a pop world and have having all these pop singers basically try to hire these guys to write hits for them. It was a great episode, great interview. But the reason why it's on is because of Receptra Natural CBD oil. CBD oil is dope. I use it every day. You know, I don't have to worry about being in Kentucky, driving the highways and having it in my backpack because it is legal in all 50 states

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We're here zach john portugal the man what the is up dudes just uh work yeah first day is our it's our first day of this of a pretty long run well how long is it uh two and a half months i think two and a half months yeah i won't is it? Two and a half months, I think. Two and a half months? Yeah, I won't see home for two and a half months or so. That's not that bad. All right, I got a lot to talk about.

First of all, the Trailblazers hat. You know we're rapid port people here. You are too. We talk about it. I'm a Laker. I grew up in LA,

so I'm a Laker guy, so we're going to have to talk to Western Conference a little bit. You guys out of Portland now or what? Yeah, we've been in Portland

for a while now. How many years now? 15. Yeah. 15 years? now or what? Yeah, we've been in Portland for a while now. How many years now? 15. Yeah. 15 years? 15 for me. When did you guys move out of Alaska?

When I was 8. Oh, so you guys have been in Portland deep. I'm just... When you're... Oh, like mentally. Mentally, you're fucking out. I was 21.

Mentally, 8. Yeah, I was 21. I'm mentally 12 right now. Oh, my God. What a set today, dude. You guys transitioned to Metallica, Beatles, Pink Floyd? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was 21. I'm mentally 12 right now. Oh my god. What a set tonight, dude. You guys transitioned to Metallica, Beatles, Pink Floyd? Oh yeah. Yeah, you play music that people like.

I can't imagine that people like a full catalog. Yeah. No, get the fuck out of here. Give the people what they want. The people want Metallica. So the way I look at a set list is it should be… It's like a DJ set. You're there to please the crowd.

Exactly. You're there to entertain the crowd. And we're not big talkers. We're not entertainers in that way. Yeah. So what we do is we bring the music that we like and we listen to. All of that stuff built this band.

Pantera and Metallica. You can totally hear the references, dude. Bass is great. Tones are great. Bass isn't that great. His vibe is great. The bass isn't that great. It his vibe is great hey hey the base isn't that it's not that good first day so let's talk about rapid port i like rap port what got you into rap port i love rapid port honestly are you sports guys i mean not huge sports guys

we love the blazers yeah we're from we're from alaska so the blade the trailblazers got us into sports it was coming to a city where we had never had a professional team and we're living in Portland and start going to games and just seeing the athleticism and just I mean we play music so we're competitive people we grew up playing

hockey we're competitive people and just watching the Trailblazers and their fans like that's what really drew us in the Rappaport connection is just… I'm a big fan of Rappaport. Did you message him or what? Did you guys hit him up? How did…

I think we met him through Dean. Oh, he's Dean. Totally, totally. Stickman. The shooter. The young shooter. He's in a band. You've heard his band yet?

Yeah, I've heard some good stuff. It's good actually. To be honest, if Dean does hear this, I was surprised because you just never know what to expect. If you know somebody for something else and they come out of left field with a like, yeah, and I paint. Like, how good is it going to be?

You can't. Generally, if I like somebody, I don't like what they do. Yeah. Because it's just, that's too much. You'll hear that a lot from us. What do you think of the killers they're nice great gear

great gear but dude so let's talk about that competition that drive because 15 years you've been doing this thing for like 15 years

right or 15 20 years grinding it out people say blah blah blah you're an overnight success which is fucking bullshit you guys grinded

this shit out does that like make your cause we just did open for Dr. Dog time is like relative man yeah how many dates

were you doing a year for the first 10 years like 200 plus 300 300 shows a year like the first few years this band existed

it was 300 shows we just went out and the funniest thing is we talk about it a little bit here and there, but the reason we started playing music was because we were seeing $3 shows

in Portland. And we were seeing shows where these bands were playing for $3, selling shirts for $10, $5 at some shows. Like our shows. Our shows. And 20 people watching the band, we just realized that people were playing, they had to be playing music for gas money.

Yeah. Basically, you're paying for gas money. I mean, you do that for the first six years of your career, 10 years of your career normally. Five-year business plan. Exactly. Bands never get their head around that aspect of it. Yeah, they think they're just going to get fame. I mean, I grew up in LA where you're chasing the rabbits.

I don't know how it is in Portland being in the music scene. Growing up in that music scene, was it following trying to be the next hip indie band or what was it? Oh, dude, we grew up in Alaska. That's like, what are you going to be? Are you going to be Mariah Carey? So did you start gigging

regionally in Alaska or did you get down to the States? We moved down to Portland. This band, sorry, we had moved down. I moved down to go to college for a minute. Where? And Western Oregon University. Nice.

Yeah, Monmouth, Oregon. And moved up to Portland, started playing music, went back to Alaska to start this band. And we knew that you can't, it's a great place. It's a great place to grow up, an amazing place to write music, an amazing place to be from. And then we just decided to get out there. And we didn't go sit in Portland either.

We played our first show there. And then we pretty much went on tour. Where'd you play? What venue? We played the, I think it was called the Loveland at the time. But it was the old Meow Meow, the old B Complex. It had been through a bunch of different names. We played Awesome Fest. Yeah, Awesome Fest with like 14 bands on the bill.

We were like fifth. And we played a really weird set. Yeah, we played a show there, and then we just went out. And we got in a minivan. We bought a rice cooker at Salvation Army. Not even a new rice cooker. You packed your gear? You pulled a trailer? No, you went. Nah, man. We packed all our gear. Howvation Army. Not even a new rice cooker. You packed your gear? You pulled a trailer?

No, we packed all our gear. How many-piece band was it in the beginning? At the beginning, it was four. At the beginning of Portugal, it was four. We had a minivan. Harvey, Wes, Nick, you, me. Oh, five.

Oh, wait. We were three in the back. Oh, God. We fit three in the minivan. I didn't smoke. Everybody else in the plugger band smoked. And they we were three in the back oh god we have three people in the minivan i didn't smoke everybody else in the plugger band oh yeah and they probably put you in the back i'm just the littlest guy wait yeah i was like we were all actually we were all actually really most uh three of us were really big dudes then you and you and nick were you and nick were normal sized and uh we we all squoze in the back and we were we were so packed up we packed all our gear inside and like flattened it out laid sleeping bags on it and our faces were so close to the ceiling you couldn't lift your head up to read a book oh my god but we were just smoking there every time you yeah how disgusting is this smoking cigs cigarette burns

all along the ceiling you hit a bump bump, and it would hit the ceiling, just fall down, shower ashes on your face. It sucked. And we'd pull off on rest stops along the freeway. We'd unplug the soda machine, plug in our rice cooker, and that's how we ate. So this was 2006, let's say, or what? I would say, yeah, four or five.

2004 or five. So this is right when the record label crash was kind of with the whole Napster, the LimeWire thing. Did you have a deal or did you just have a booking agent? You said, fuck it, we're just going to be, we're going to tour hungry this shit and we're going to blast it. We kind of had that stuff in place. We had people interested in the band

and we had an agent who would book shows for us I mean honestly like there were no goals set for this group when we when we started touring

it was just let's go out and play shows let's try to become a better band and see shit we just wanted to play music

write better songs and just see see shit what was important like was it about just like doing drugs fucking chicks We just wanted to play music, write better songs, and just see shit. What was important? Like, was it about just, like, doing drugs, fucking chicks? Or was it really about, like, the tour life in the beginning? Because you're not making any money.

Like, what was driving you back then? Was it the music? Was it trying to, like, build a fan base? We didn't do drugs. Yeah, we didn't really bang chicks. You guys really didn't do drugs in the beginning years? Not really, no. No, no. That's another weird thing about this band is like before weed was legal, I don't think

any of us really smoked a whole lot outside of like Jason and Kyle, our drummer, our keyboard player. Yeah. And it was mainly because the weed that you get off the street is like the strongest thing you've ever Oh Jesus It always is because

what is good weed oh it gets you really really stoned Yeah And like that's not beginner weed That is not how you No when did all of a sudden

like anxiety start coming into weed The loudest music and that's what we grow as teenagers like what's the best music the loudest music and that's how

that's how it is with drugs. Your early records were pretty fucking heavy as well, man. I think... When did you start really like dialing in to like, all right, taking it from this underground indie scene

to like... Did you think about having a mainstream career? Was this the dream to be this moment you're in now? Or was it… This just like popped up at a… I mean, you guys worked your fucking ass off.

What was the dream? During those years? I'll tell you what. We hired our second manager. We had a manager in the very beginning. And… Was it your homie?

Or… It kind of… It was a guy that was pushed onto us by… By whom? I mean, by our label. At the time. Which,

I'll give you like a really kind of shady story. Yeah. But it has nothing to do with the label and the label head. It just came around through somebody else who was actually…

He's not with them anymore. Yeah. So, what had happened was this guy was suggesting this manager to us. I was like, cool,

this guy seems cool. Like, I like him. We seem to get along. And he calls me up one day after we had met a few times. And he says, hey, just so you know, I'm a part owner of the label. And I need to let you know this because I think they're trying to push me to manage you because I can control you a little bit. And I'm not going

to do that. Damn it's like communism up in this bitch dude. So that's our first experience with a manager. The reason we went with him is because

I'm letting you know. It was a transparency of it. He was just very transparent like very clear that I own part of this label and I think they're

expecting me to do this with you. You can do whatever you want. I said alright that's our dude. We're going to go with him. His management company… That's cool that he's being honest though.

That's some real shit. So the first real meeting we had with managers. His management company goes under. He leaves. He doesn't want to do that anymore. We meet with two managers. And this is just going to tell you the type of idiots we are. We sit down with our first.

We have no money. We're eating rice and vegetables. Were you guys living together on one apartment? Not even. Except for Zach. Zach always had money. He was always like a rich kid. Lived with girlfriends and all that. The rest of us couldn't do it. He knows.

He knows it's true. I mean, what do you call baseball? What's that sign? I was the only guy that worked when we went back home. Yeah, you worked too?

So what? So you had like, you had a side hustle as well because you had to make some money. I worked in restaurants. Actually, I don't want to

stray from it too long, but the chef, the owner at Epicure, like that dude was rad. He really helped. We would go out and leave for three months on tour and he would come back and he would give me a, like, that dude was rad. He really helped. We would go out and leave for three months on tour.

And he would come back and he would give me a… I was home for six weeks. He gave me a job. Nice. That's the best. Dude, that was solid. Nobody else had that. That was very special.

Thanks, Charlie. You were gigging 200 gigs in the beginning years? 300, yeah. 300 gigs, yeah. I mean, that's what I'm doing. I'm in my 12th year doing 250 shows a year. Doing 40 states 65 cities five road five countries yeah just i feel people don't appreciate the s or how important

the essence of touring is you know not everyone could get a fucking single on on on the radio it takes time like look at dr dog for example yeah they've you know they're the same they're following the same trajectory as you guys were and stuff and like i talked to him you know they're fucking grinding that shit they'll play everything dude totally yeah they're rad they so what real let's go back to your shady story though let's uh let's hear it let's hear it well okay so So to take it back there from Dr. Dog. I love Dr. Dog. Yeah? We'll jump back into it.

So we meet with two managers. The first one we go to… He takes us out to Dim Sum. And to be perfectly honest, I don't know what Dim Sum is. We're just showing up like, I'm an Alaskan kid. Like whatever. Let's go get Dim Sum. We go to this guy and it's like,

everything's ordered to the table. And like, the loudest… Exactly what you think of when you think of the music industry. Like, back in the day before it was… Before the internet really. Like, you see the suit and you see this guy who sits us down. And it's just like, immediately like, you guys like shrimp?

Do you like shrimp? You like shrimp, right? Get these guys some fucking shrimp. And he's like ordering shrimp across the restaurant. He combs his hair and stuff. Yeah, yeah. He was just like so prepared for this. He's like throwing around million dollar contracts.

Like right away like, we'll just go to Warner. I have no idea. I'll tell you who we went with. So he's like talking about million dollar contracts. We can go to Warner Brothers today. Like I talked to them. We'll tell you who we went with. So he's like, it's talking about million dollar contracts. We can go to Warner Brothers today. Like I talked to them. We can go to Warner Brothers today. We do SNL.

Like he's just like throwing everything at us. And I'm going, all right, man, this is pretty, pretty cool. It's like everything you would expect. Everybody leaves there high-fiving. Like this was the best shit ever. We go to the next meeting.

Like we know who we're going to go with. It's the guy who just offered us a million dollars and SNL and threw shrimp at us. Show up at the second guy's office and we walk in. We have a three o'clock meeting or whatever it was. We walk in. He gives us the like, give me a minute.

Like we walk in. He's like, hey, give me a minute. We went to him. He didn't meet us. Yeah, he didn't't he didn't take us out to food like we had to go to his office so we go there we have to wait for 15 minutes or whatever and we're waiting in his like kind of like waiting area and he walks out plops down he just says all right so uh like what are you doing here so… Yeah like you're immediately like… Put it like… Your back is up against the wall.

Like fuck. Like you're coming at me. I thought you were trying to work with us. That's what you imagined it to be. But you were selling… Like I thought you were selling yourself to us. Yeah you're supposed to tell us why you should manage us. Not why we're here.

So I try to tell them… Well we're looking for a manager. Why? Because we want to play better shows. Get a better booking agent. Like, okay, well, cool. How do we get a better booking agent? We need a manager to get us a booking agent.

No, you don't. You need to play more shows. Play better shows. Everything that I threw out there was like, okay, this is like a serious debate we're like having right here. Like I'm having to like

work around like all these questions. You're having an existential crisis. You think a manager is going to be your lifeline right? Yeah exactly. And like when we left there everybody was

it was like depression had set in and we're like well that's going to be the guy. Like I can't imagine that we just it was like depression had set in. And we're like, well, that's going to be the guy. I can't imagine that we just ended up in LA and it was like sunshine. It's beautiful.

We ate shrimp. We're going to get a million dollars. That'll never happen. Then you see this other guy. Listen, motherfuckers. I don't know what it's like yet. So he's through that. That's been our manager.

And he's still your... Keeping it 100, dude. Like from the beginning out of those. That's been our manager. And he's still your... Keeping it 100, dude. Like, from the beginning. He's been your guy since the beginning now, right? If you hate us, we will love you. If you give us shrimp, we'll beat the shit out of you. And ask for a million dollar contract. Yeah, I remember like the first show he came to.

The very first show we played at a skate park. And afterwards, we were hanging in the parking lot. I'm like, so what did you think of the show? And he just like looked at the ground and goes it was probably one of the worst shows

I've ever seen actually. I was like I really like it. So you guys What year was this? This was 2006. 2006.

He does not sugar coat things and that's that's why man. Did he put you on a plan? What was the focus? What was his focus to get you guys… Get better. Get better.

That's why we played 300 shows a year, man. We went out. That's why we continued doing that. What he brought was the realism. You need to… We need to be who we are. And I think any artist like any artist that is not uh crafted for the mainstream like if you if you're not a pop act if you're not going to school if you weren't on star shirt star search when you were six years old like you're not gonna do that

yeah so i mean what feel is still did is completely unpredictable. You cannot say, like, this group, because you're a band for 15 years, you're going to do that. That's not how it works. What he brought was, that's not who you are. Just be yourselves and write the best music you can. Do you ever hear horror stories about a producer trying to change your sound or fine tune your sound when that wasn't even

Not ours but yeah that happens but when You know what fucking happens to us that's worse? What? Nobody does anything.

Sitting in with pop fucking producers who like so let me tell you why it sucks. They sit in with us and like I like to do that shit

like I love Smokey Robinson writing hits for the Jackson 5 like I love Smokey Robinson writing hits for the Jackson 5. I love Smokey Robinson writing hits for fucking everyone. That is the coolest shit. This is why we play music.

The Beatles started because they got to cover some of the greatest songs ever for years in Hamburg. So I love that. I want to go in there. I want to see. I'll do whatever Atlantic Records asks me to do.

Craig Cowman or Julie Greenwald call me up, like, go in with this person. Fuck yeah. Like, let's go do it. The thing that I can't stand is when you walk in with a pop songwriter

who doesn't want to touch our lyrics because we write about our own shit. Yeah, you write real shit. And this is what Rich has kind of like, that's what he brought to this band was he's kept it, he just keeps it real. And this is what Rich has kind of like… That's what he brought to this band was… He's kept it… He just keeps it real.

Like we are who we are. And because of that… When we walk into these pop songwriting sessions… They're like… Well I don't really know what to… Like what would you say? Yeah. They'll throw a baby at me or whatever.

Can you say baby right here? Like… No. Oh so that's the process? That's not what this song is about. Okay let's go over this shit. This is fascinating to me. Okay so these guys, you write a song. You write the core, the structure of the song.

Then you throw it to these pop guys. And they fine tune the lyrics? No. It kind of depends. Like usually what pop songwriters do… What's the most important in a pop song? I'll tell you what the best ones do. The most important thing about pop music is confidence.

100%. There is… Music has very little to do with it. Like we've had people come in and straight up like pick up a guitar and go, I think I have a riff that would work really well for your band. Hit a low B flat

and like slide up to the high B flat. And it's like, it's one fucking note. It's one note. And they'd be like, yeah, and the tempo is this and put this drum beat on it.

That's, that's a song. And like, I watched them do it and was like, that is exactly what I'm looking for. Thank you for proving

that this is why it works. It's like, it's extreme confidence coming from people who, I mean, they're professionals for that reason. Yeah, true.

They know what they're doing. And fuck, man, like, what he threw at me was like, perfect. Like, yeah, we'll do that. Like, I want to try that shit and like,

I love to hear people do that. The thing that I can't stand is when a pop producer comes in and they put on a beat and they start dancing around the fucking room and go, yo, this beat is hot. Jump on the mic. And they're like, tell me to jump on the mic.

I'm like, I don't even know what fucking key your song is in. You haven't hit a single note. I'm not in here to write with you for a drum beat. So it's all, they base it on, it's like they start with the drum. I see a lot of producers, they start with like

this drum beat with a weird synthesizer on the trigger. Now I'm like, what the fuck? It's a hip hop thing. So a lot of this comes from hip hop.

Like hip hop songwriting is probably the most fair of any songwriting like credits like as far as they go. Like they are so fair with their splits and so fair with the way they make the music. The beat is 50% because you're making the music.

And that is what starts out. You start playing the beat and everybody does get excited. You want to just play guitar to a click track? Give me a fucking beat. Janet Jackson shit. Give me a beat. That's the thing. That is pop songwriting. Pop songwriting is extremely confident singers like give me a fucking beat Janet Jackson shit give me a beat that's the thing that's like

that is pop songwriting like pop songwriting is extremely confident singers and writers singing over a beat like we I mean look at R. Kelly look at all those lyrics

R. Kelly has Trapped in the Closet volume 13 a lot of lyrics millions of songs and it's just talking about fucking midgets

and yeah but he does it with confidence and swag it's just talking about fucking midgets. But he does it with confidence and swag. It's totally confidence. And that's where I have a huge, huge amount of respect for pop music. Because everybody that thinks it's easy… Everybody in our circle of friends growing up… I'm sure you came up around it too.

I could do that. I could write that song. No, you can't. And that's the hardest thing to explain to people is as dumb as those lyrics sound say it can you say it like no i can't say that like i i couldn't i it sounds stupid well they can yeah and they do and that's how they talk and you may think it's stupid, but it's the realest, most like, direct way of conveying like that thought.

Like whatever, it's love. Typically, it's love. So like, it's the easiest way to get there is, I like you.

In the beginning of your career, did you ever think you'd be fucking with pop producers at this part, you know, the prime of your career? I don't think we really thought. Well, first of all, we didn't

know shit about pop producers or anything. We liked music. And we didn't really know anything about that at the time. And that's what was pure. That's what was fun about it. Every album we put out, every show we play, we learn something to do

and we learn something not to do. Are you still happy being in the music industry now 15 years, seeing every avenue of it? Well, you have to start happy to still be happy. You've never been happy, man. It is halftime at the Enni Fresco interview hour. Here's a quick message from the U.N. This is Ari Finley. This is an episode of

Review, and I'm talking about Westworld. If you're wondering, are there going to be any spoilers? Are they going to ruin anything for me? No, I'm not. Because I haven't seen the second season, I stopped watching after three fucking episodes of the first season, because the goddamn show sucks, and they don't fuck the

robots, okay? The only thing they should be doing in the whole show is fucking the robot. It should be like real sex for robots. You go into a Western saloon. There's a nice lady there. You, you fuck the lady. Maybe there's a nice cowboy. He gets in on the action. That should be the only, the only part of the show. We shouldn't be caring about finding the edge of the world or caring about whether the robots have the feelings or whether they're becoming self-aware about their life inside a robot world.

Just go in and fucking suck them, okay? That's the only thing that we should be doing. I cancel my HBO subscription, but I don't fucking have one. I steal my mom's, okay? So I'll call her and tell her to cancel her HBO subscription, but I don't fucking have one. I steal my mom's, okay? So I'll call her and tell her to cancel her HBO subscription because the fucking show sucks.

Tune in for the next episode of Review. Follow me on Twitter. They call me Ari. Fuck Westworld. Fuck Westworld. What was the dream? What was the dream? What was the dream of this band? What was the idea?

It's seeing things and traveling. It's something I never wanted to do growing up. I thought I would just live in Alaska. I never thought I'd go to Europe to see any of the world. As soon as we started doing that, it just kind of opened my eyes. I maybe feel like I wanted to learn more. And I wanted to see people around the world.

I wanted to just have different experiences. You know, it was just… That part of it was fun. Like it's the same thing. It's what's killing me about this Bourdain thing right now. Because he was the ultimate, you know, live in the moment dude you know well that's just depression living traveling is a lonely lonely thing like you could be surrounded with your friends and your bandmates but you're still alone in your head you know absolutely it's tough to when you're not going through the normality of life to really have a core of who you are. How tough is it now?

Everyone kissing your ass or everyone just fucking raging. How hard is it to still stay core with who you are? Oh, that's the best. I love people kissing ass. Like being nice to us. Letters cut in line everywhere. That's the best thing in the world. So much easier. Then I don't have to sit nice to us. Let us cut in line everywhere. So much easier. Best thing in the world.

So much easier. Then I don't have to sit with my thoughts. Distractions. So that's just like… It is a lonely thing. You see it a lot with comedians. You can see how dark… I listen to a lot of podcasts.

Who are your guys? I like Norm's podcast. Norm's great. Norm Macdonald is amazing. He was doing that. Norm MacDonald is amazing. Bill gets sad too. Bill Burr? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

No, totally. Like you listen to him and they're making these observations that are really funny. But you have to understand that like for them to make that observation of like why the fuck

are people doing this? There's a part of them that is actually going why the fuck can't you see this? And they make this joke about it. And it is that angry side of them that might be a little… I mean, I hate throwing around the OCD.

But they have these things about them that are just a little bit different. And with Bourdain, that thirst for travel and new experiences, that's probably a lot of what gets to you over time. It's like, I want to see this. I want to do this.

But I got to deal with this bullshit. I got to get on a plane for 13 hours to go see it. It's like dealing with people at airports. Yeah. Favorite spot. Travel or… Honestly, I really love Salzburg, Austria. It's like dealing with people at airports. Totally. Yeah. Favorite spot. Favorite spot. Travel or… Honestly, I really love Salzburg, Austria.

Yeah? Austria. It's in the mountains. I'm about to play there. It reminds me… Oh, really? Salzburg? Yeah, I'm playing Salzburg in November.

We're doing… So we just opened for Foo Fighters and The Muse and Jeremy. Rock and Ring and Rock and Party. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We just did that two weeks ago. Yeah.

Casper was there too. Casper was playing that one. Isn't that the craziest lineup? They'll put Meshuggah. They'll put Creator. They'll put… We're like a party blues outfit. Like, you know, horns, New Orleans style.

Then they'll have like Muse. And then it's… Europe is crazy with their lineups. Oh, yeah. Especially Germany. I love that shit, dude. They're so real. They're just like, I like your music.

It doesn't matter what it is. Yeah, totally. So what do you love about Austria? It reminds me of home a lot. The mountains are very, very beautiful. They just have amazing beer. We've got really good friends there. There's a band called

The Steaming Satellites from Salzburg, Austria that are the fucking raddest dudes ever. Sick. Yeah, look them up when you go. Look them up. We'll look them up when you go. We'll send them out to you. I have my 30th birthday there.

I went down to the… Oh, dude. You made it, dude. Oh, I know, right? Yeah, it was good. How old are you guys? 21. 21? And that's…

You don't have to say it. 36. 36. 37? Damn, y'all. 37. Black don't crack. You guys are good, man.

You just turned 37. I just turned 37. A couple days ago. Well, that'sall. 37. Black don't crack. You guys are good. You just turned 37. I just turned 37. A couple days ago. Well, that's awesome. Stronger than ever. It's weird how you get better when you get older. You get better with what? Maybe just everything.

Yeah. Pretty much, yeah. We had a big fucking hit last year. Yeah, you fucking did, boys. We did. Did you feel that that was going to be a hit? Out of all your records, did you feel this was it? No. Actually, boys. We did. Did you feel that that was going to be a hit? Out of all your records, did you feel this was it? No.

Actually, no. I wouldn't say that I felt like, out of everything we've done. You get these feelings in the studio. I mean, you know, like, you get those feelings of like, this is really good. Or this is really different. Yeah. Feel it still, I'd say that I knew it was something. Like, the second I sat down I was like playing

the bass line just fucking around like I was just in a side room we're mixing live in the moment in one room and I just started playing the bass line and I was like oh this is this is cool but I'm not saying shit about it and our buddy Asa Takoni from Electric Guest heard me playing it and he was like I saw him take off his headphones I kind of like tilt him back and go yo Jay can I record that real quick? And he just like

randomly heard me playing it. So like right away you know that there's something in there. Yeah. It's that. But yeah it was just how quick it all came

and the Mr. Postman doesn't help like that interpolation in there. But the thing that people I don't think a lot of people understand about interpolation,

like what that really is. Like, that's been done since the beginning of music. Yeah. Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star. Exactly.

ABCs. There's only 12 notes. Any fucking Bob Dylan or Woody Guthrie. Everything that birthed all of this music that we hear today with the blues and jazz,

like all of this. Like, it's all, it's all derivative of something. Like, it's always all, it's all derivative of something. Like it's always like, it's always chasing like a sound that you pick up

and you hear. So interpolation, like it's, it's a term that gets thrown around. Do you get shit for that? Really? Mr. Postman? A little bit.

Like people that don't understand. No, but like people, yeah, people don't get who get what you just said. That you get, that's like, oh, fuck that, dude. dude yeah it's a weird thing because like

I wish I fucking wish like we could just like throw a melody from any classic on a track and have that be a hit because

everybody would have hit songs yeah I mean maybe there's something to that though cause they're sharing a shape of you look at rap tunes

I mean they sure exactly that's where hip hop comes from hip hop is all about Sample are you guys hip hop heads

oh yeah with Rap Boy that's what we were talking about for sure that's another thing I love about Rap Boy he's such a huge

hip hop fan and like the tribe doc all that stuff he did some 30 for 30s right he did that

Garden Eden dude he is oh yeah and he's the garden eden dude he is he is a fan and he's he's a really true fan and i i just i just love his whole thing he loves shit and once again he's honest like we're talking about with managers yeah yeah we like honest people. He's fucking honest. We're cool, but if we do something stupid, I expect him to tell us. Oh, yeah, dude. In true rapid form, we got to talk about basketball.

I'm a Laker fan. You're a Blazer fan. There's always fucking beef. Couple things. This whole, why are they trying to get rid of CJ McCollum? He's such a stud. Dude, I love CJ. I just saw some bullshit They're trying to like take the Memphis pick with Chandler Parsons I had no idea. So what's the biggest? You're gonna talk to us like we're up on this Once again, we don't like sports. We like the trailblazers.

So what about the trailblazers? You like Damian Lillard? Like what's... Yeah, it's good. Oh, Lillard's great. Like they've always had a good vibe.

I mean, even before... Do you go to the games? Yeah. Whenever we can. We're gone a lot. The Rose Garden I heard is so sick. I gotta go.

Yeah, it's great. It's rad. It's a very good vibe. We've seen games like just around the country too like travels that's what i do with the lakers rose garden motor center yeah is the spot yeah that's best fans what do you like about basketball um dude it's uh i like the pace of it like i i

just i just love watching a a group of people get out there and compete at the highest level of anything. And seeing people like Lillard and CJ too just fuck with people. And you see LeBron

do that shit too. I know Rap Boy hates on LeBron but one of the greatest ever. I think it's a little part of stick.

You can't hate LeBron that much. He's so good. How fucking nuts is it watching somebody like LeBron play? You watch him play and he just goes through you. He doesn't think about what he's doing. He doesn't have to think about it. It's just ridiculous.

Everybody is at, they're given the same skill sets, genetics. You have to consider genetics in there. But everybody's a professional basketball player. How is one person standing above the rest? I love the idea of that. There's somebody… Tom Brady… These people that are just like… They're standing above the rest.

Yeah Kobe too. Kobe is fucking great. But you see that with Clyde Drexler too.. I mean, all the greats had that mentality. And going back to the competitive motion, I visualize my touring as I'm a basketball player and athlete. Like, you know, Jordan had four hours of sleep. He got four hours, five hours of sleep a night, but he still executed the way he had to execute.

I feel that's the same with you guys. You guys work your fucking ass off. You guys gig every day. Yeah, that's what I love about it. And that's the same way with you guys. You guys work your fucking ass off. You guys gig every day. That's what I love about it. That's been our approach. It has been like when I played hockey growing up, I was ice skating at 4.30 or 5 in the morning before school.

I'd go to the ice rink and I'd skate. You get your ass kicked? In hockey, the little dudes are important. Yeah, so they're the speed rangers. We don't know much about hockey, so I don't know much about hockey.

So we're the worst. If I check a guy at your height, like if I check Rappaport on ice, just saying Rappaport, you can't take me on ice. My center of gravity is so much lower, like your knees are out. Really?

You take out the hip. It's a hip check. Oh, shit. I never thought of it that way because you're fucked. You take out the hip. It's a hip check. Oh shit. I never thought of it that way. Because you see these guys are just like fucking tanks. They're huge. Like I would never be a pro. Because there's the people that are… You know, Jon was small and fast.

Like a slasher. I'm pretty like… I'm short but I'm fairly big. I played defense. I played hockey growing up. Oh you did too. Oh yeah. Totally. Sick. But yeah. It's just one of the things… Man, real quick. I played hockey growing up. Oh, you did too. Oh, yeah. Totally. Sick. But yeah, it's one of the things. Man, real quick.

I need to get back to another thing I love about basketball is that it's one of those sports. The ball is orange. Yeah. I love orange. It's one of my favorite colors. Yeah? The sounds of sneakers. No, it's one of the – there's a few sports like soccer, like boxing, basketball.

There are things that you can just play on the street. Like we said, we grew up playing hockey. It takes a little bit of money to get pads and to play on a team, to get ice time, stuff like that. Same with football. Baseball is a little bit different too, but then it's um it's different basketball is just that's one of those things that's just so real it's like running it's like fucking swimming yeah it's one of those things that just if you have the will if you're good it doesn't matter if you

came from nothing or you came from a rich family, like basketball is one of those things that really evens everything out. Yeah, poor kids can be out there practicing all night long. And they can be better than you. And they get good. They can be better than the rich kid with the basketball court in the backyard. Like they can be better than you.

And that is great. That's what- Skateboarding, dude. Skateboarding is the same way. You guys skate? Yeah, we grew up skateboarding. I grew up on a dirt road. I said this to Rapaport, too. He was like,

you skate? I was like, you grew up on a dirt road? That was funny, yeah. We had to fight so fucking hard to skate. We're from Wasilla, Alaska. So you can, best case scenario,

if you find some pavement, you can only do it three months out of the year. But you can do it all night. He lived in the city. He had pavement. City kid. City kid. City kid.

City kid. I was a city kid in Wasilla, Alaska. I was a city kid. Dude, my street got paved when I was 15 and it was the best thing that ever happened.

No shit. But it was... Yeah. That's the same kind of thing. It's like you can get... But even a skateboard costs a little bit of money. But that's like... That's that whole kind of thing it's like you can get and that but even a skateboard costs a little bit of money and but that's like that's that whole thing of uh it's that's why we follow

boxing and yeah dude we follow boxing and like mma oh yeah like that that basketball falls into the same category of yeah there's no like talent pool that is because i grew up with this yeah i'm better yeah when you, when it comes to classical pianist, generally, there's not a lot of kids that you see that grew up in a lot of poverty that are fucking amazing pianist.

Or play lacrosse. Yeah, exactly. And so fucking basketball is one of those just true, just forms of all humans are equal. And just like you go out there and the best man fucking wins. Everybody's got access to it. Just like what we do.

Just like what you do, guys. I mean, seriously. We're the best. We're the best. All right. I got a couple of things for you. One last thing or two last things. Have you guys, do you think you guys were in your opus yet?

Nah. Yeah. No. It's… This band is such a weird thing because we set out to learn as much as possible. And you were talking about

like our earlier records being heavier. Like when we started this band, I mean you could look at it. Like our first record is throw every idea you can at this thing. And it was like…

Yeah. Like heavy shit. Like the Beatles. Like, I like, we ripped off a lot of Beatles melodies in there. So, like, you just hear a lot of ideas. We went out on tour for 300 days. And we came back and we went, well, fuck, man. Like, when you slam all this shit together, you get, like, these awkward transitions.

And, like, tempo changes. And things that are just really awkward for the crowd so we we looked at we're like well the best parts were the head the heavier moments of the set because they were the times where we didn't have to talk like we didn't have to do anything so we wrote a rock record and and we did that with church mouth to follow that up we were like well the songwriting seemed like the best part of the things that we did like we said there's awkward moments let's they

Censored Colors our third record is like legit like this is the first time I've ever played chords in my life like I had never played chords before we wrote

Censored Colors wow and that was like me like learning to play chords that's insane yeah so much of that was like

every step of the way it's been something like that. Like we wrote Censored Colors. I was like, oh these chords are pretty cool. Again, the song is at the core of it. Let's try to write Motown-length songs. And we're going to call it the Satanic Satanists. We're going to write the closest to pop we've ever written. And it's going to be Satanic Satanists.

So we did that. Fucking badass, dude. And I think straight from that we went to American Ghetto. written and it's going to be satanic satanist so we did that and uh i think straight from that we went to american ghetto and it was like okay we've done like all the like rock shit that we like we kind of like come to this point let's go back to a lot of what we did on our

first record was drum machines like beats and we did like we made like a break record like american ghetto is all like break beats and hip hop samples. Rob Swift from Executioners did like all the scratching on it. Like it's so different. And we didn't even really

promote that record. Like it was just like, like here's like something we're trying out. That was for the fans. We didn't give it to any, like nobody got it beforehand. That was for no one.

That was for fans. Yeah. No one got it before that was for no one that was yeah fans yeah we just got it no yeah well we just we made it out of that thousand copies and that was that oh dude respect yeah you guys always do cool stuff with your marketing though with like you know the whole what portugal the man sold out or what was that oh yeah yeah i like to like portugal before they I fucking respect that dude. Like well let's beat him to it.

Yeah seriously. I said 8 mile shit. Yeah it is. Tell me something you haven't heard. Like that shit's funny as hell. Alright one last thing.

Alright. You guys could host your dream festival. What bands would be dead or alive? You could pick anyone. Just you could do six bands each or you

could do just whatever. All genres. Go. Rage Against the Machine. Oh yeah. For sure. They'd be on there. The Beatles would probably be on there.

I don't know. Pink Floyd. Ty Siegel. Ty Siegel. Wu-Tang. Definitely Ty Siegel Ty Siegel the Wu-Tang Clan Wu-Tang yeah definitely Ty Siegel Cream

oh okay yeah see a wild card in there yeah Cream alright nice you know Good Clapton Good Clapton

yeah Pussy and Ludwig Von Beethoven oh I thought you were going to say Ludacris I was going to agree

Ludacris Luda was going to agree. Luda. And Luda. Luda's doing the 2 p.m. slot. If you go hip-hop at all, it's Missy Elliott. What hip-hop would it be? Missy Elliott, Busta Rhymes.

It's like all the... I just watched those Hype Williams videos coming out. Seeing Busta Rhymes and Missy in those videos was so good. Yeah, you get Tribe. Yeah, you get like Tribe. Yeah, you gotta get Tribe. Tribe.

You gotta get Tribe. You know, Phife came out to one of our shows. Did he dig it? Dude, he watched the whole set and it was so weird

because like our... This is the best. It was crazy. What? From the stage. I knew... Somebody said he was coming. Somebody was like,

hey, Phife wants to come to you. Where was the set? Santa Cruz. Yeah, this was coming like somebody was like hey five months ago Where was this at? Santa Cruz. Yeah this was Santa Cruz. Do you know how long ago this was? When?

This was 2007? Yeah. Where the Catalyst? 10 or 11 years ago. It was a place called the Sunshine Theater. We played the Catalyst a bunch.

Yeah. We only played this place one time and it was so funny. Are you sure it was 2007? Might be 2008. I think it might have been 2008 actually. Are you sure it was 2007? It might have been 2008. I think it might have been 2008 actually.

Yeah, I think it was 2008. It was, yeah, dude, 10 fucking years ago, Fife came out to our show

and was like, I saw him, there was like a window like from the stage, you look out, there's an audience up above it, there's like

the green room and there's a window up there and Fife is up there watching the set. Like he like watched the whole set. We came back there and we were so… In Santa Cruz. Yeah. We were so thrown off guard by it.

We were like, Fife. Fife talk. Did you talk to him? Yeah. Yeah, no. We talked. We hung out. He was like, yo, that was dope.

We talked about making music together too. That ever happened? Nah. That's happened? No. That's like the worst thing. Call rap. Yeah, it never happened. And it was such a bummer. Damn, that's crazy, man.

When he passed, it was like, that was like the first dude that really fucked with us. And he was so early. This was before anybody knew who we were. Fife was at the show. He was like the first… rad fucking dude to come to our show, right? He was the first…

like kind of… when we put people down on our guest list, we're like, Phife Dawg's coming. Like I think that was our first like… that might have been like our first fucking super cool celebrity… person that we really respected a lot. It's kind of like Bill Murray showing up to your show, dude. And having drinks with you, dude.

Oh, hell yeah. That would be. Actually, it's cooler than that. Because I've never heard stories of Fife doing that. That's true. Yeah. That's actually true. He's like a Bill Murray doing that all the fucking time.

He's like a ghost. Yeah. Fife doesn't do that. Like I. I mean, we talked about. Man, it's so fucked up He's like a ghost. Yeah. Phype doesn't do that. Like I… I mean we talked about… Man. It's so fucked up. We talked about it.

Like doing something with him on this record. Because like we were working on Mr. Lonely. Like the first thing I talked about was like Phype. Totally. But Phype passed like before we got a chance to do it. But we did get Fat Lip. Yeah. From Farside.

That's… He fucking murdered that shit. Such a fucking rat that's like the best call in the world too cause like I had taken Mr. Lonely who makes that call

you make that call or your management makes that call we made that call more personal yeah but like call him

directly well it was an email it was an email and he is for as fucking wild like that dude is nuts as wild as. And he is… For as fucking wild… Like, that dude is nuts. As wild as he is… He is…

Like… You send him an email… He hits you back five minutes. Like, it's like so quick. He's just really on top of his shit. And he's so rad. We had this track, Mr. Lonely, that we had been working on. And we were like…

This needs… We had come up with this beat that was just very like it was of that era and we're like yeah maybe we get fight like fight was like the first thought on it and then he when he passed it was like like yeah like we need we need the right person so and far side came up and fat lip came up and we we have a chris black was like friends with his cousin or something. I forget how it came about. But I got the call. Like one of my favorite calls ever was when Brian called me.

Danger Mouse called me afterwards. And I thought he was going to say like, yo, this is fucked. Because like we worked on the track together. So like I thought he was going to be like, this is not right. Very, very particular about… Specifically hip-hop. Like… Yeah.

Hip-hop has to be right. Rap verses. Oh totally. He's very… Very, very particular about it. Yeah. He's just super smart. Dude is really good.

Yeah dude. But… Yeah. He called me. He's like… He's like… Yo. I heard that fat lip verse.

I was like… And… And… He's like… And… And… He was like… It's dope dude. He brought it. He was psyched. He was just so psyched.

Like what Lip did. So cool. Yeah. That made me feel really, really good. Because we all loved it. Like when he turned it in. Seriously. This shit's crazy dude.

Like why aren't you rapping? You weren't in the studio when he made it? Or you just outsourced it to… Let him do it be in his own vibe that's typically the way like I feel like you kind of

have to do it that way the thing that I mean I don't know I don't need to talk about me being a genius in the studio that's for me to talk about smart

dudes I'm so smart that's for everybody else to talk about not me dudes what a fucking ride you guys are and you guys are real dudes

And Respect Thanks man Thanks for being on the show dude Fuck yeah It was really cool Cause that's how I first I'm like

I saw you just hanging out Texting I'm like shit This is You guys rap towards my dude And having him do your interview It was just such a cool It was a different vibe

I never heard from you guys and like I had to get you guys on thanks for being on the show thank you that was a lot of fun let's definitely connect I'm a fan

I'm following you you guys are doing great things stay healthy and keep the fucking dream alive dude and don't let fucking pop singers tell you what the fuck to do

boys they can't we're better Portugal the man number one later guys singers tell you what the fuck to do, boys. Nobody tells us what to do. We're better. Portugal the man. Later, guys. He's talking shit about the game. He's got a weird fucking name.

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