Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 130: Stewart Copeland (The Police, Oysterhead)

Episode Date: June 29, 2021

The band is back on the road & crowds are HORNY for live music. Can Andy reign in the waves of desire & brave the seas of discarded bras? On the Interview Hour, we welcome an absolute gentleman & musi...c scholar, Stewart Copeland! Andy keeps up with this powerhouse muso academic as Stewart talks about narrating emotions thru composition, dishes on Oysterhead with Trey & Les, & his time with Sting. Also his dad was a spy?! Shawn shares a song. Andy closes us out with talks of Peach Fest. This is ep 130 Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Love Hard" on iTunes, Spotify  Follow the legend: stewartcopeland.net Shawn covers an incredible Michael Kiwanuka song, "I'm Getting Ready" Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Nick Gerlach Shawn Eckels Jon Hampton Geoff Gordon Arno Bakker

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Andy, Nick here. Calling about the talent show that you told me I'm going to be doing, and I haven't talked to you once since. I don't know what you're doing. I guess you're on tour yelling the name of whatever city you're in over and over as if these people don't know. People have been hitting me up about doing this talent show. Like I said, I'm not going to help you organize this at all.
Starting point is 00:00:27 You're not paying me enough to do all this work. You're barely paying me enough to get on stage. So I'm sending each of them your way. I gave them your personal phone number, no email or social media. I know how you hate that. It says, call him. He will talk to you. So start getting to work on this.
Starting point is 00:00:42 Cause like I said, we got three months and I'm not doing anything. Hi, Andy. My name is Montgomery Jenkins. I was giving you contact info so that I can submit for the talent show. And I don't want to reveal everything, but my talent, I like to put ping pong balls in my you-know-what and I shoot them out for target practice. I can hit from about 10, 15, I think 20 feet away is my max, but I'd love to show my talents off to the world. So if you want to see a nice hot stud shooting ping pong balls out of his butthole. Please give me a call back.
Starting point is 00:01:25 I really love the showcase. All right. Thanks. Talk to you soon. Andy, it's Steven. I got your number from Nick. I don't have any talents, but what I do have is your phone number. But what I do have is your phone number.
Starting point is 00:01:51 And I'm going to call you in the morning and at night to tuck you in. On your birthday and on Christmas and on July 4th and Martin Luther King Day. Every day because I love you so much. I want to wear your skin. And we're back. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. How's everyone doing? How's our heads? How's our minds? Are we
Starting point is 00:02:23 trying our hardest not to black out every single day? My God, Jesus Christ. Back on the road, y'all. It's heavy. Everyone's raging, ready to have a good time, and I'm there with them. Maybe for a little too long at the bars, Jesus Christ. We're back. Hi, I'm Andy. How's everything going out there? I'm on the road right now. I'm getting ready for Peach Fest, actually. Next week, we got Peach Fest
Starting point is 00:02:53 July 1, July 2, July 3, and July 4. Another installment of the Peach Fest episodes of the World Saving Podcast. We got a great one. We got Stuart fucking Copeland on the show. Police. Oysterhead.
Starting point is 00:03:08 It's a crazy episode. And we got the dudes from Live Nation who actually brought, who are building out the festival and building out the lineup. They're going to close out the show with us. But it's going to be fucking fun. And thank you so much for tuning in to another week.
Starting point is 00:03:22 This week has been fucking insane, dude. We've sold out all our shows. People are ready to rock. Indianapolis was insane. Columbus, Ohio was insane. St. Louis was fucking nutty butters. Aurora too. What the fuck? Suburbs. Shout out
Starting point is 00:03:37 to the suburbs. Let's go. Suburbs were lit. Dude, the suburbs were lit Of Chicago Aurora I got Like four or five bras Thrown on the stage
Starting point is 00:03:51 People were throwing Fucking mushrooms I felt like The reverse of Oprah Where the fans were like You get some bras And you get some mushrooms It was good
Starting point is 00:04:00 So shout out one more time To Illinois That was dope The whole tour was dope Omaha was dope Lyle Davinsky was dope. Omaha was dope. Lyle Davinsky on tour with us was dope. We got to play some songs. We got to back up Lyle.
Starting point is 00:04:11 It's so inspiring. Lyle, it's scary to start something new. He had a good thing going with the motet. To put your dick out there by yourself when you've been throwing fucking massive parties with the motet is um is honorable so shout out to Lyle um we've had a great time with you buddy this whole tour has been amazing it's been overwhelmingly incredible the responses and you guys are singing along and it's just you know all that hard work is uh paying off and uh it makes me
Starting point is 00:04:46 feel happy that you see me as a songwriter too you know i know i get crazy i've been crowd surfing lately been fucking spilling jameson everywhere and uh sticky i swear to god i've done my laundry now um three times because I get so excited. I'm like, we did a club show last night because it rained out so they put us inside in Indianapolis and dude,
Starting point is 00:05:11 it was just fucking the heat of the moment. It felt like an old show. It felt like 2019 all over again. I was crowd surfing. We were doing the horror.
Starting point is 00:05:19 I was just, I wanted to get back to the roots of just connecting and so shout out to the Vax. They're working and shout out to everyone Vax. They're working.
Starting point is 00:05:29 And shout out to everyone just giving me a shot. Fuck yeah. I know it's weird. We've been in fucking pods. We've been in fucking pods and whatever, baseball fields and separated. And it must feel good to be with your brothers and sisters again on that dance floor just fucking sweating your ass off. Shout out to y'all. We made it through. But it's been so, dude, this life is crazy right now because it's the ups and downs of the whole thing, you know, and you got to learn like I'm a year and a half out of shape of going on tour. You know, I've been chilling in my house, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:03 drinking some whiskey and then passing out on the couch to fucking Netflix. Now it's like, oh, you don't have to stop. You don't have to go to your bed. You have to actually, you can rage if you want. So it's learning about self-control and I'm learning it because, um, it's important. Self-control is important. Whatever you do in life, um, you could over things, and then you start getting burnt out. And then all of a sudden the anxiety hits and the fucking depression. We don't want to burn ourselves out. We learned.
Starting point is 00:06:31 Let's learn from before the quarantine. Remember when we were just working, working, and fucking poosh? Take a step back. Stay in line with what you want, with what your needs are. And then you come back there. And when you rage, you're raging more mature. Let's go. That's what I'm doing now.
Starting point is 00:06:49 I'm a mature rager now. A fucking mature rager now. Because I'm about to walk into Peach. I'm doing the correspondence in Peach. So I'm going to be in the crowd. Just interviewing people. Hanging out in their tents and shit. And letting people know the inside grit of the Peach Fest.
Starting point is 00:07:09 I'll be interviewing some bands too, but I'm going to be in that crowd, and I need to learn self-control. So if you see my eyes start crossing, because I'm only playing one show, so I am just commentating. So just keep an eye on me. You know I'm a yes man,
Starting point is 00:07:25 so just make sure I get water in me because all my friends are going to be there and I'm probably going to drink. Just keep an eye on me. If you see me out there, if you see me just confused or my brain scrambled from just running around,
Starting point is 00:07:40 I want to go on the water slides. Honestly, I am so excited for Peach Fest. We fucking had such a homecoming show there at the pool last time. Crowd surfed into the wave pool. It was fucking tight. We're going to bring some heavy shit. We got some special guests for our Peach set. And we're just going to fucking celebrate because that's what life's all about. We're back with the homies. We're back with our friends. We're just going to fucking celebrate because that's what life's all about. We're back with the homies. We're back with our friends. We're back with all you weirdos out there. What's up? I see y'all.
Starting point is 00:08:08 All those weirdos. I love it. Keep being weird because that's what it's about. Showing your freak flag. Letting anyone know that if they want to fuck with this, do I have to play the goddamn music? Festival season's coming, people. It's time to take off the
Starting point is 00:08:25 PJs, turn off the Netflix, and get ready to fucking show for all the musicians who couldn't fucking play for a year and a half, because it's going to be dope. So I'll be there all weekend. Come say hello to me. I'll be running around. But we got Stuart Coppola
Starting point is 00:08:41 on the show. It's going to be tight. And also, speaking of shows Repsy, our main presenter Repsy.com, bands You wanna get some songs I'm telling you, like, I'm looking at my calendar For the last, you know I'm pretty booked up until
Starting point is 00:08:58 I don't know, January, February But, you know, when we're booking the shows There are 13 holds If you don't know what a hold is, it's basically, you're waiting in line to get that date in the venue. Everyone is going to be
Starting point is 00:09:10 torn their ass off. Might as well get another situation in and put your band on Repsy.com because, first off, if you have an agent, if you have an agent
Starting point is 00:09:21 working his ass off, shout out to all the agents out there just fucking working hard. I see y'all. Josh Knight, Bongiorno, the crew, they're working their dicks off Agent if you have an agent working his ass off shout out to all the agents out there just fucking working hard. I see y'all Josh night Bongiorno The crew they're working their dicks off all their bands are like we're hungry. We need to work So they're working their ass off for him. So might as well gives it some little extra help if you have an agent They don't take the percentage
Starting point is 00:09:39 But if you do have an agent they'll give you it they'll take a small cut and also you're in control So if you don't want that show that they get you and fucking, I don't know, wherever it is, Poughkeepsie, maybe, or maybe you want, maybe the show that they got you in Philadelphia is a little too far, you're in control, if you don't want to do the show, don't do the show, but at least you get another guy in your ring fucking fighting for you, it's a win-win situation for your band so go sign up repsy.com yo it's going down it's going down it's festival season i feel it in the air everyone is excited shout out to everyone who sold out all who came out and sold out all these shows and buying merch and fucking making us feel fucking tight and getting us goodies you know i get you know i i
Starting point is 00:10:23 get all your packages you give me before the shows. It's awesome. Thanks for the mushrooms. God, I've been getting so many fucking mushrooms. Shout out. Shout out to y'all. You know what I like. You know what I like.
Starting point is 00:10:34 My people out there taking care of my mind. Because you know it's hard on these streets. You know, when you're entertaining every day, and you're moving and you're grooving and fucking killing it, and then you wake up and you go grooving and fucking killing it. And then you wake up and you're like, oh fuck, I gotta drive eight hours. Okay, cool. Drive eight hours. Then do the same thing. And then you go out and drinks, maybe, you know, fucking get fucked up until about 4am, 3am, whatever. Brian's listening to this. Fuck it. And you have fun because we
Starting point is 00:11:00 miss this. This is what we do. This is our life. And I'm just so happy that we're coming back. I know how much these bands miss being on the road and playing every fucking show and giving it all you can, sweating out your fucking emotions and fucking jamming and fucking hanging out with the bartenders and trying to get laid, whatever you're trying to do. It's fucking awesome. And I'm so stoked that everyone is slowly coming back and I can't wait to see everyone at Peach Fest, so are
Starting point is 00:11:28 you ready, you're gonna have a good day, oh shit, I gotta announce some shows before I pump y'all up a little more, um, July 14th, Avon, Colorado, um, July 15th, Ridgeway, Colorado, we're playing, we're doing a Colorado run, uh, July 16th is Dillon, Colorado. These amphitheaters are sick in the mountains. If you guys want to take a little road trip up to the mountains, go see us in the mountains. We get extra mountain high.
Starting point is 00:11:56 Stupid. That was stupid. Then we're playing Relics. I'm doing the Relics dance party. After the String Cheese incident plays Red Rocks. We are going to do a live stream, so it's going to be a later one, but come out to that on the 17th. That is Floyd Fest.
Starting point is 00:12:11 I'm pumped up. Where are my Virginia people at? I'm fucking ready for this. Last time we played a baseball field. Now we're doing Floyd Fest. I've always wanted to do it. And I can't wait to see all my homies out there. It's going to be a great time. And then the week after that, we're on a little run, actually. We're doing July.
Starting point is 00:12:29 We're doing Steamboat Springs, Colorado. Doing a wedding in Park City. That's going to be sick. I can't tell you it, but once it's done and this thing happens, I'm going to tell you about it. We're backing up this. I'm not going to tell you. I'll tell you later.
Starting point is 00:12:43 August 1st, Huntsville, Utah. Yeah. Going back to Salt Lake City. We're doing our Fro Fest again. You know, for all my Mormon people out there. If you wear an afro, you get in for free. That's what's up. You know what time it is.
Starting point is 00:12:56 Then it goes August 4th, we're in Victor, Idaho. August 5th, we're in Salmon, Idaho. Playing with Chris Lagerband. I just interviewed Chris. We're going to get him on the podcast Chris Logger is the guy He helps me In the beginning of my career
Starting point is 00:13:09 He helped me write all my music And he's a fucking badass Catch em Idaho July 6th and 7th And then there was something else That just announced Oh, Dewey Beach All my people
Starting point is 00:13:19 Let's do it We're playing the Starboard August 29th And all my people in Charleston, I know you're like, fuck, where is the Charleston date on the fall show? It's actually on the 31st of August. We're playing Isle of Palms
Starting point is 00:13:34 right next to Stasek's house. Let's go. I better see your ass there, Stasek. It's during the week. I know Umphreys doesn't tour during the week. You better come to that fucking show. So we're playing the Windjammer. And then, yeah, we got the fall tour. So sign up for the talent show if you have a weird trait, if you got a weird thing that you want to show, you know, 300 to 1,000 people every night. You got juggling skills. If you learned how to eat fast or fucking
Starting point is 00:14:00 learned how to like air fry, bring your air fryer up there on stage. Well, let's fuck. I'll test out your food. Fuck it. Let's ride. But get your tickets. Presale's been going crazy. We've already had a few sold out shows and it's four months away.
Starting point is 00:14:15 So fuck. Yeah. Thank you guys. What the fuck? We're moving up. Never pre-sold a goddamn ticket in my life. That's a lie. But then the Ogden's selling pretty good in October.
Starting point is 00:14:27 But it's a big venue for me. I know we just did Red Rocks, but it's a big indoor venue for me. So come on out, all my Denver people. I know that Denver fucking listens to this podcast. Shout out to Denver. I'm coming home soon, guys. I'm coming home soon. All right.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Guys, have a great day. Be safe out there. Enjoy Stuart Copeland. Fucking what the fuck? This podcast, three years. This is what I'll tell you. If you got a dream, fucking stay with it. I had this crazy idea three years ago to do this podcast,
Starting point is 00:14:55 just interview my friends to help me figure out myself. And from there, I became a better listener. And from there, I feel like I've become a better interviewer. And I think it's showing. I mean, at least the publicists think I'm a good interviewer because they're giving me their talent, which is tight. So shout out to the publicists out there. Thank you, Mara.
Starting point is 00:15:15 Killing it. Our new show host, Booker, talent Booker. Mara just killing it. And Brian, too. So I'm stoked for you to listen to this Stuart Copeland interview. We talk about everything. Talk about the police. Talk about Oysterhead first time and playing together.
Starting point is 00:15:30 It's a big one. All right, guys. Be safe. I love you. And don't take no shit from nobody. Wave your freak flag down. And let's fuck shit up this summer. I'll see you.
Starting point is 00:15:49 All right. Next up on the interview hour, we have Stuart motherfucking Copeland. Chris, play any song that he's on that's not going to get a sued from the record. Man, what can I say? Drummer, extraordinary. Police, Oysterhead Oysterhead's back at Peach Fest This weekend I mean, what the fuck This is amazing, you're gonna love it We talk mental health, we talk about being in a band For so long, we talk about Oysterhead And coming back
Starting point is 00:16:16 And how Peach Fest is one of the first OGs to do it Let's ride, let's go Peach Fest My people So go check them out July 1, 2, 3, and 4 That's this weekend y'all Alright Enjoy Stewart Cove Wow. Stuart Copeland. How you doing?
Starting point is 00:16:58 Good, good. I say that to myself every morning. I look in the mirror and go, wow. Jeez. Oh, my God. What's quarantine like for Stuart Copeland? I am reminded of so many of my brothers and sisters who've been through so much. And then I go back to my own predicament, which is extremely fortunate and for which I am extremely grateful that I live in an ivory tower, which is three miles tall with a great sound system. And the suffering and the pain and the anguish far below really doesn't permeate. But it does.
Starting point is 00:17:35 I mean, I'm aware that some of us got away with this apocalypse. Scott Free and others paid a huge price. It's a beautiful thing to take a step back. I mean, you're a guy who always works and stuff, it feels like. So when you take a step back from working and seeing what you are thinking about in your head through this quarantine, it must have been
Starting point is 00:17:56 a nice relief that you didn't have to work so much or did you work more? What's your brain like? Well, next week I'm going back to work. I know. I'll be there with you. I'm a little scared. But actually, I'm going back to work. I know. I'll be there with you. But actually, I'm looking forward to going in front of an audience again and blast away with my two good buddies.
Starting point is 00:18:12 I'm looking forward to that. Last week, I went to Germany because, don't tell your listeners this, but actually, my day job is get this opera composer. Really? I know that's a conversation stopper, and I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:18:26 I'm supposed to be the drummer in a rock band, and that is my weird. That is my fate. That is my destiny. That is what I owe the cosmos to bang shit, okay? But I also have a soul and a heart and sensitive feelings, which can only be expressed by a large soprano lady going,
Starting point is 00:18:45 Roar! And so during the apocalypse, feelings which can only be expressed by a large soprano letting go. And so during the apocalypse I wrote I finished one opera and completed another. And I was in Germany the one that I wrote last year at the Deutsche National Theater which is the it's like the Met of Germany. It's the national
Starting point is 00:19:02 opera company of Germany. And living the dream of Germany. It's the National Opera Company of Germany. And living the dream of, you know, okay, I'm a rock drummer. Okay. Occasionally dreams weird stuff about being a composer like Mozart or something. Well, I lived that dream in Weimar, deepest Thuringia, Germany, with the cobblestone streets and the statues of Goethe and Schiller and Liszt and everything. I, you know, there's a psychiatric ward in the Jerusalem hospital, which is devoted entirely to people who go to that incredibly historic city and are infused with the history of the place and discover an epiphany.
Starting point is 00:19:41 I am John the Baptist. You know, happens all the time uh you know and so weimar this this city of the arts of germany it's like the cultural capital of germany like the seattle of germany or something you know um uh you know philosophically speaking yeah totally that i believe I am spontaneity. What did you learn about music, writing, and opera? Well, it's the other way around. I learned how to write opera by being a film composer. 20 years before the mass as a hired gun. Flinty, you pay me money.
Starting point is 00:20:18 What do you want? Happy, sad. I can do happy, sad. I can do sad, happy. What do you want? You want to trust this guy, or do you want to know that he's a lying scumbag? I will tell your audience not to believe their eyes, but to believe the music. And in film, they do.
Starting point is 00:20:32 They don't believe their eyes. That's Tom Cruise on the screen. The composer tells the audience, he's handsome, but he's lying. And so music can do that. Music can tell you not to believe your eyes. And that's what i did for a job for 20 years okay now i get to not have to do that anymore um and so i can go to where the composer is god king and that's opera okay you have to get over the sound of that singing style
Starting point is 00:21:01 but that's easy just drink the kool-aid pretty soon you'll be in there yodeling with all the rest of them. Because what it does, it's an art form, like a movie, where music is the locomotive force. The whole purpose of it is the music, which, of course, is dope for a composer. Yeah, and I've been to Germany and seen the operas there. I didn't understand them because I didn't speak German, but the beautiful part about it is the stories. There's no difference between the stories you talk
Starting point is 00:21:32 in your rock and roll world versus the stories you talk with what you're doing, composing, and what you're doing with your operas, right? Well, it's the human condition. Human beings, whether with long hair or short hair or piercings, living life. That's what opera is. Movies, they're all about that. Storytelling is universal. But the cool thing about opera is that the composer gets to be the boss man.
Starting point is 00:22:03 In TV, the writer is the boss. He says what goes. In film, movies, the director is the boss. He says what goes. In film, movies, the director is the boss. It's his vision. Everyone else, including the hired composer, is not an artist. We're craftsmen serving his art. Well, opera, the composer gets to be the boss man.
Starting point is 00:22:20 Do you feel like that as a drummer? The drummer guy is a different guy in a weird way drumming is a physical activity something that you do not something that one thinks about that much i mean i don't know what's going on i never play the same thing twice yeah when i do shows with orchestras too yeah um and i've got some shows with the san diego symphony cleveland orchestra and various others coming up where I'm playing actual police songs, which I deranged for full orchestra.
Starting point is 00:22:49 And I've got three soul sisters on the mic to sing the songs. And in that case, I know exactly every noodle, not just every note, but every noodle, every inflection. It's not da-da-da-da-da, it's da-da-da-da-da. I know all that because I put it there on the page, and I know that those players will obey with absolute precision and loyalty to the page because that's their entire ethos, unlike that lead guitarist guy who just makes stuff up,
Starting point is 00:23:19 and that's why you work with him because he makes up cool stuff. With an orchestra, you put it on the page, and that's what they play. While they're busy doing exactly that i can do god knows what on the drums and god only does know what because i don't i just follow my instincts sometimes i take a left sometimes a right i'm just banging stuff here chopping wood uh and i can make it up this way or that way because i know that orchestra is gonna be there do you feel like you need that in your life? You need structure so you could be chaotic? Yeah, everybody's strapped down so I can rock. No, but it's true.
Starting point is 00:23:54 I mean, like, I don't know. Actually, no, that's not true. I'm just saying stuff because it's fun to say. No, really, the opposite of that experience. Last week, I was there with the charts and I'm there with the orchestra and the singers scrutinizing the notes does the hairpin begin here so that builds up to there or does the hairpin been here so that builds up you know yeah all these minutia that are really worthy of obsession with oyster head uh-uh we just go out there and i don't know what trey's gonna do i don't know what less is particularly don't know what Trey's going to do. I don't know what Les is going to do. Particularly, I don't know what Les is going to do.
Starting point is 00:24:26 But I'm going to probably like it because I have so far. And that's an entirely different experience. There, I'm banging drums. And I'm making stuff up. They're making stuff up. We're all just kind of in the most blessed feature of this entire exercise is the audience. The jam audience is maybe second only. No,
Starting point is 00:24:48 maybe even Stevens with the jazz audience for being extremely indulgent. They will just sit there and take it. And they like it. Yeah. I was going to ask you, like what's the difference? The most fun people to play for on the planet. Yes, please, I will play for these people.
Starting point is 00:25:07 I will even go so far as to play jazz to a jazz audience. That's what I was going to ask you. What's the difference between playing in a band like Police versus playing in a band like Oysterhead? Pretty simple, really. The formula for achieving audience ecstasy is sort of the same but quite different. For the police, they're songs that you know. You know the verse and you know that's coming up to the chorus
Starting point is 00:25:35 and it comes up to the chorus and it goes, don't stand so close to me. You know what's coming, you get it, and you lift off. And I've seen that a million times on the stage. We come to that big hook that big chorus and the audience lifts up because they're expecting it and they get it with oyster head nobody knows what's coming yeah and there are times when we're dead in the water because we are really genuinely just making it up and really genuinely sometimes you're dead in the
Starting point is 00:26:03 water yeah we've already played this riff for too long. Anybody got an idea? Well, give me a second. You know, we're there in front of an audience, dead in the water. But Les comes in with some baseline out of nowhere from the cosmos. You know, he gets something. He picks, Trey picks up and we got some guns. I pick up on the, bam, we're right.
Starting point is 00:26:22 And that same surge that we got with a police concert with the expectation they know it's coming and the verse just kind of teases them and then you hit the hook with oyster head the tease is us looking for something and when we land on it man that rush that the audience gets infused gets us all excited yeah then lifts us up and so we achieve kind of the same result which is like those moments of intense payoff, you know, when the music, it just all hits and just perfect. But there's an extra X factor when it's achieved randomly. When you don't know where it's going to be or when it's going to be or what it's going to be, that's what jam band audiences are kind of all about. They like those dead spots. It seems to me when I'm dying on stage, I just like against all the craft
Starting point is 00:27:12 that I've learned as a professional performing artist. I look down and I'm thinking, we're dead, we're dead. And I look at the front rows and they're super engaged because this proves to them that this is not some rehearsed baloney we really are making and that's that's what they're here for and so when we that's kind of an inspiration so when we do connect and lift off it's kind of an extra thrill what do you like better this is spontaneity or knowing that you're going to kill well uh they both kill. Yeah. I know that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Well, they're good for different reasons.
Starting point is 00:27:54 With a known song, you can pace yourself. And so the light and shade are more known. You can work it and pace yourself so that you're really there when you need to be and you can take a little break during the verse. Yeah. When you don't know what's happening and when sometimes Trey can play a real Voyage of the Cosmos on that guitar. Yeah, he can.
Starting point is 00:28:23 When he takes it higher, you always know that no matter what butt gut you're busting he could probably take it higher yeah and he's probably gonna take it higher and so there's the excitement of that but also the challenge of that what's the difference between sting and tre? They are both completely besotted with music. It's why and who they are. They both have intellectual pursuits that have nothing to do with music. I would say they're both
Starting point is 00:28:58 actually, in quite different ways, very spiritual. But the main thing that I would say they both have in common is that they are 100% music. That's why and who they are. In both cases,
Starting point is 00:29:13 with Sting, sure he's got lots of money, he's got palaces, his wife makes great wine, he's got all kinds of cool shit going on. It's about the music. If you just knock on Sting's door, hey, what shit going on. It's about the music. Yeah. He, you know, you will, if you, if he,
Starting point is 00:29:26 if he just knock on Sting's door, Hey, what's going on? You'll probably find him with an instrument in his hand making music. That's what he does all day, every day. And the same with Trey. Trey has got a guitar in his hand or he's thinking about music or he's doing
Starting point is 00:29:40 music. These two guys, like I say, a little specter me there but that's what makes them so cool that's what makes their gift so vibrant what what do you like about guys like that who surround yourself who surround themselves with nothing but music is it distraction or do you love that that they have well i'm working with that that. I don't know that I'm quite that spiritual myself. I mean, you're doing a lot of projects.
Starting point is 00:30:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's all music. I'm not quite so immersed, I think. Maybe because composing is intellectual. I'm staring at a screen and I've got it going on in my head. And also I'm dealing with a screen and I've got it going on in my head. And also I'm dealing with other issues like the drama. The love interest comes on stage here. What do I do with her?
Starting point is 00:30:34 What's her attitude? What's the music that goes with her? And I'm sort of thinking there's a lot of technique involved. When I get on the drums, I'm just banging. I don't know. I'm just banging stuff. I got a groove. I don't know. I'm just banging stuff. I got a groove. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:48 I'm just banging shit. Entirely different part of the brain. Yeah. You know, it's fascinating because having a bandmate, you know, I don't know your relationship with Sting. I don't know your relationship with Trey. But just being with someone for that long, it's got to be fucking hard to keep the love around.
Starting point is 00:31:05 No, no, no. It gets deeper. You know, famously, Stingo and I fight all the time, only when we're talking about music, which is weird. Really? Go figure. I mean, we came together for a while there where we were simpatico and we needed each other, codependency. And then we achieved a lot of
Starting point is 00:31:25 stuff and then we parted company and 30 years have gone by and i've kind of gotten used to not having the bass player come over to me with an opinion yeah yeah unless it's less and if he comes over to me with something going on i'm all ears what do you got less because i know i'm gonna like it yeah um and it's just you know people grow up they grow apart and when we came back to do the police reunion tour that was an eye-opener i thought we would all just fit right back together again like before but no guess what we'd all been doing some growing and we're not the same shape as we were before. Yeah. Now, in the case of Sting and myself, we each have a different idea of what music is and what it's for and how to make it. And I have enormous respect for his concept
Starting point is 00:32:15 of what music is for and how to make it because I'm a big fan of his. I buy all of his solo albums. I got them all. Yeah. I'm still very susceptible to his lyric sense, his melodic sense, his bass lines. He still kicks ass, in my opinion. But to work with him, we haven't got patience for each other. And it just doesn't fit that well anymore. And
Starting point is 00:32:43 the stuff that I think is a brilliant idea is like a sacrilege upon his beautiful piece of music that he wrote. And I totally understand him. I mean, when I write work for orchestra, I don't want the bass player making stuff up. Well, actually, in the case of Der Angelus, I got a bass player who's going to be making some stuff up.
Starting point is 00:33:01 Armand Sabaleco makes stuff up because he knows the music. So there's, you know, nothing is 100% true, folks. A lot of what I'm saying is kind of self-contradictory. Music is like that. But when did you realize that? Was it earlier in the police or later in your life that
Starting point is 00:33:19 you guys worked together? Well, we were very lucky that Sting, actually one strain of his character is extreme loyalty. And long after the point where he had written hit after hit after hit, and a guy might start to get a notion in his head after that, that, well, I do know something about music. And if I think it ought to go like this, my ideas are not idiotic. I might know what I'm talking about. And the frustrating thing about Stingo is that he's right. He does know what he's talking about,
Starting point is 00:33:48 which doesn't make my interaction with that any easier because I got whatever cockamamie idea I've got going on, which to my esteemed colleague is an intrusion. And to me, it's just obvious. It's no fun. I'm not a session guy. I'm really the world's most crap session player. I can't remember.
Starting point is 00:34:07 I don't bother with the arrangement. Take two is not going to be the same. They say, OK, really like that. Could you keep the verse part there? But then when you go into the car, sorry, what? I don't know. Let's roll tape again. You'll get something different.
Starting point is 00:34:19 I hope you like it. That is not compatible. Do you think if... Sorry. Sorry to interrupt you. Do you think if Sting was a guitar player, you guys would have a better relationship? Sting is a guitar player.
Starting point is 00:34:35 He's a heck of a guitar player. But in your band. Not bad on that lute either, by the way. You know what I'm saying, though? I feel like the bass and the drums need to be simpatico for a band to really vibe. And if one person... I don't know your guys' relationship.
Starting point is 00:34:49 I'm just saying the bass player, his bass lines completely work for me. As long as he plays those bass lines, I'm a happy guy. Yeah. And that's sort of where we leave it. You know, there's enormous love and enormous respect. You know, that guy brought so much beauty into my life.
Starting point is 00:35:08 You'll never hear anything other than a slight occasional, you know, loving dig. But that guy changed my life for good. And we were very lucky that we were able to hold on to him. You know, it was the third album when he started to think, do i need to compromise why do i need to debate why do i need to have the other guys in the band seek to impose their vision upon what is already perfect yeah and he's totally validated in that point of view but nevertheless he stuck it out for two more albums, two more albums than we deserved, until finally none of us could stand it anymore. Yeah, I get that.
Starting point is 00:35:53 I mean, it's got to be hard. If you love somebody, set them free. Yeah, and it's got to be hard. Didn't your brothers manage and book you guys? Yeah. Those are my brothers. Yeah, how hard was that? Not hard at all.
Starting point is 00:36:05 Really? When you guys were going through... No, because by that time, we had parted company, and I was enjoying a great career as a film composer by then. I was scoring the Equalizer in movies with Oliver Stone, Francis Coppola, and others. I had a whole new world which didn't involve snakeskin pants, and I could go home at night to my kids.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Yeah. I loved it. I became a happy suburban dad. Wonderful. And so Sting was still out there on the road with, you know, good luck to him. When did you have kids? Well, I got my first son when I was... I didn't get him.
Starting point is 00:36:45 I adopted him. Okay. He came with the first wife, but I adopted him. And he is now 50. Really? He was four when we first met. And then my first child of my loins, I think was around...
Starting point is 00:37:02 Might have been 30-ish. And then I got seven kids. Then, I don't know, every time I ate spinach, another one would pop out to shoot. You got that power sperm, Stuart. I don't know. How do you learn how to shut up and just work? I am agony ant
Starting point is 00:37:25 to many of my brothers of the stick who play with big bands and they complain about the band leader. I tell them, see that big house you're living in? That car you're driving? Pretty fancy motor, that car. You know many guys who are just as good as you
Starting point is 00:37:42 who don't have a big, nice house like that and a nice, fancy car like that? Yeah. Suck it up, dude. Yeah, be fortunate for the gig. Beg your pardon? Be fortunate for the gig, is what you're saying? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:57 I mean, be thankful for what you get. Yeah. And if you, a lot of players that I know who play in such bands, in such positions, they have side groups. And that's where they get their rocks off. And that's a good thing to do. But in the band, what got them there, you know, you got to dance with the one who brung you. Yeah. Yeah, it's beautiful, man. I mean, your story is so fascinating.
Starting point is 00:38:22 Do you mind if we go a little further back in your life? I want to know, when did you find out that your dad was a spy? Did he tell you that? Like, how'd you find out? He wrote a book. And it was there on the line.
Starting point is 00:38:35 That's how you found out? What? So tell me about that. Did you have any ideas that he was a spy? Like, was he a mystery man? Was he in your life? I grew up in Beirut, Lebanon,
Starting point is 00:38:45 which was sort of the espionage capital of the Middle East. And everybody's dad was a spy. To Lamont was a spy. And out in the play field, you know, your dad's a spy. Well, your dad's a spy. And one day, our family joke is that my brother Miles comes home from school and says,
Starting point is 00:39:01 Dad, are you a spy? To which our father responds, Who wants to know? Really? I love it. Who cares? But did he have a personality? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:15 My father was the life of the party. That was his job. Yeah. He was the, you know, in Syria. You know, when I was born in Alexandria, Virginia, which is a suburb of the CIA, my daddy was away on business. He was busy installing a dictator in Egypt, name of Gamal Abdel Nasser. He was actually a very good dictator for his people and
Starting point is 00:39:39 became a big leader of the non-aligned movement, all while actually being a CIA client. Very, very useful. And so, but in Syria, his official title at the embassy was cultural attaché. And so his job was to throw soirees where all the poets and writers and and artsy people of uh in this case syria uh damascus and syria yeah but how come there are so many kernels at those arty soirees well because they were being groomed tested and uh bought oh my god bought well yeah yeah you know in those days there was a cold war going on yeah and it was the our
Starting point is 00:40:29 industries our entire way of life depended at that point and still well less now it depended on that oil let's be frank uh iraq saudi arabia uh iran in those days as well, all the Gulf states, that oil had to get to our factories, no messing around. We needed that. That was our jugular vein passed through the deserts of Saudi Arabia. And my father's job, well, the Ruskies' job was to disrupt that. They didn't have to build anything. They just had to mess things up. And so my father's job was to prop up all of these regimes, whether they were monarchies, dictatorships, elected presidents. His job was to keep that oil flowing. He was amoral. As far as considering the wishes of the people of these countries, the rightful owners of these resources, he felt great sympathy, a cultural empathy. My mother was an archaeologist out there as well.
Starting point is 00:41:35 He spoke three kinds of Arabic, classical. He spoke Maghrebi Arabic as well as Egyptian Lebanese type. He was just fluent in the culture and steeped in it. In fact, he was guilty, some say, of going native, which happens when operatives. But primarily, he was working for America, for Uncle Sam to make sure that things, the winds blow our way by whatever means. The things, the winds blow our way by whatever means. And sometimes the means were ugly as his, he was not involved in Nicaragua or Salvador or Latin America in any way.
Starting point is 00:42:19 But some of the stuff that they got up into in the Middle East was pretty shady as well. But it was all in the interest of America. And the wishes of the native, you know, we were coming out, the world was culturally coming out of a colonial era. And America was a knight in shining armor because we didn't just claim these countries and say, okay, Iran, you belong to us. That's what Queen Victoria would have done. And with empires up until the Second World War, that was kind of the way empires rolled. America had a new empire, an insidious empire, an empire of influence and skullduggery. And my father was one of the agents of that skullduggery.
Starting point is 00:42:57 Did you, was your philosophy in life different than that philosophy? Or did you start adapting those things that your dad taught you? The amorality stuck with me. Dealing in the music industry, I'm very proud as my father would have been very proud of me that the first time I got my name in print was by writing to all the music papers using different handwriting on different stationaries uh and different grammatic styles you know when I was playing with curved air we'd play Sheffield well on our way out of Sheffield after the show I'd drop a letter into the mailbox I just witnessed curved air who had the most
Starting point is 00:43:41 excellent drummer uh and then next time we play Huddersfield, and they, oh, I saw a curve there. That was great, especially the drummer. And so Melody Maker, getting all these letters, said, well, who is this guy? And they did a story about your humble servant. And I was so proud to achieve this, my gosh darn self. Who taught you?
Starting point is 00:44:05 Who taught you about, this is basically self. Who taught you? Who taught you about, this is basically marketing. Who taught you this? Well, University of California at Berkeley taught me all this. I majored in music when I was in my first couple of years in college. Then when I went to, transferred over to UC,
Starting point is 00:44:20 University of California at Berkeley, not Berkeley School of Music, I couldn't get into the music department because my sight reading wasn't good enough my ear training wasn't up to scratch I wasn't like all these other kids who've been studying the piano since you know seven I've been banging drums and playing a little bit
Starting point is 00:44:36 of guitar and had a head full of music but I wouldn't have been able to keep up with the courses there so I didn't get into the music department I will go back there one day and teach I wouldn't have been able to keep up with the courses there, so I didn't get into the music department. I will go back there one day and teach. That's a fucking good. Okay, so what I did get into was mass communication and public policy, which is basically how media works. It's an interdepartmental major, or was in those days, involving sociology, anthropology, journalism, political systems.
Starting point is 00:45:09 Then basically all the other people in that major were either going into politics or advertising. But it's how the media work, how decisions of what news is news, how these decisions are made, what the mechanics are of the zeitgeist. Yeah. decisions are made what the mechanics are of the zeitgeist yeah so what what made you what clicked in your head that the things you're studying relates so much to the music industry because it's basically you're feeding art to the to the society you know well i knew that because by the time i got to berkeley i'd taken some time out and i'd been a tour manager
Starting point is 00:45:43 i tour man and joan armor trading i'd rodeed for wishbone ash and all these other groups By the time I got to Berkeley, I had taken some time out and I'd been a tour manager. I tour managed Joan Armour Trading. I'd rodeoed for Wishbone Ash and all these other groups, kind of learning the nuts and bolts of how bands work. Yeah. And I tour managed Joan Armour Trading, dealing with the record company, local radio stations, her gigs, you know, playing clubs across America. And I kind of had an idea of what was going on. So when I got to classes about this kind of stuff, it all kind of fell into place. And I said, I see that.
Starting point is 00:46:11 I was like a mouse trying to figure out the landscape. But now these courses in college taught me the big picture. And it came in very handy. My story is pretty similar. I didn't start playing music until I was 18, but I worked at record labels. I grew up in L.A., so I worked at record labels at 14
Starting point is 00:46:30 and learned the industry through marketing versus music. Do you feel like that helped you become a successful musician because you learned how to market a band, how to manage a band before you played music? Yes and no. Because all of my clever ideas about marketing wouldn't mean dick if Sting hadn't written Roxanne. You're fucking right, though.
Starting point is 00:46:54 But that's so fascinating. So it is about the song. So at the end of the day, you could fucking put it. No, okay, you got the song, but now you got to sell it. So there's two sides to that equation. They got the song, but now you got to sell it. So there's two sides to that equation. So you need, it's a 50-50 partnership.
Starting point is 00:47:14 If you have the song, you need to learn how to deal with the business as well. Yeah. Well, you can get lucky. That was an age when people were getting lucky because the punk revolution, suddenly long hair was out, short hair was in. And I was selling records before Sting, you know, police records, before he started writing those songs. That didn't start really until Andy Summers joined because he had such a wide music vocabulary
Starting point is 00:47:38 that inspired Sting to start writing great songs. Up until that point, we had crap three-chord tricks. But I'd be on the phone selling records to the store in liverpool um box of 25 singles has it got a picture sleeve yes does the band look hostile yes uh is it punk yes uh send a box and i was selling records to and i knew what they wanted and it was all business and you know I designed the single sleeve with Letra set I don't even know if your listeners have any idea
Starting point is 00:48:12 unless they're like really old like me and it was kind of a do it yourself operation then strangely I had some songs that I had written which were too dumb even for the police. In fact, they weren't hostile, so they weren't punk. They were songs I wrote in college about I got a new apartment, you know, pure old shit.
Starting point is 00:48:36 And so I recorded them myself. And by some fluke, Radio 1, BBC Radio 1, which is the national station, the national pop station, picked it up. I got airplay. I got having a hit. And I went on Top of the Pops, which is the television station. You play Top of the Pops, you go up 10 points. It's the national station, national show. But I didn't want to be a solo act because I played all the instruments myself, drums, guitar, bass, even sang the thing.
Starting point is 00:49:05 Go figure. But I didn't want to appear a solo act because I'd played all the instruments myself, drums, guitar, bass, even sang the thing, go figure. But I didn't want to appear as one guy on the stage. I'm a band guy. So I got Andy and Sting and my predecessor on Curved Air on drums for in Pilkington Mixer. And we, you know, we all, because the thing about Clark Kent was that it was a mask. Nobody knew who it was. And it was the masked man. I who it was and it was the masked man i wasn't anybody i was starving
Starting point is 00:49:27 but the police was going but we were dead in the water broke nobody you know we were we were a fake punk band and everybody knew it um and this is before things started really writing yeah um and so we had this mini mini hit which got us in touch with a real record company um and they that was fine and then they heard Roxanne and the rest is history do you do you regret not pursuing that solo hit or did no no no because I pursued it 10 different ways ever since you're right you're right you're right it's it's It's very fascinating. By the way, I like being in a band. I prefer, you know,
Starting point is 00:50:10 I do shows with the Buffalo Philharmonic or the Denver Symphony. Then I show up in Denver and I'm alone in my hotel room weeping bitter tears of loneliness. And I go and I rehearse with a 45-piece orchestra. Okay. But then I go, it it's like I'd rather be down
Starting point is 00:50:28 at the bar with my band buddies yeah I like being in the band I like being you know I'm a youngest sibling I feel happiest as part of a team yeah that's what I want to talk about too like being the youngest sibling do you feel like you always had to prove yourself no in fact I got away with all kinds of stuff. I looked like I didn't have to prove myself. What did your sister or your brothers do? Your brother was a manager but before he was managing you, what was he doing? One brother was a business monster, the other brother was the coolest kid on campus and my sister was the debutante of the family, the vassal girl of the family. But two of my brothers were in the music business. My brother Ian went to Vietnam,
Starting point is 00:51:08 came back, became an agent, and was the coolest agent. He was my closest relative. And my brother Miles has always, since the age of nine, been a super businessman, empire builder. What did they teach you about building a band well i rode for a lot of bands miles managed really let me in booked what what'd you learn in those years uh how to plug in an amp how to pack how to how to pack you know how to pack a van uh how to get paid why who who does the paying and why the the the economics okay we get you know curved air would get like 600 pounds or something and we've got to pay for the pa we had a crew we had you know it was an actual going concern in the police days we get paid 20 quid and i'd hire the PA for seven and the truck from Zen
Starting point is 00:52:06 and I'd fight to get to the truck before Squeeze got there because their manager, John Lay, we were in the same stable and I'd get a gig at Rebecca's in Birmingham. Okay, I'll get the truck. Fuck, John Lay got to the truck first and now I've got to go to
Starting point is 00:52:23 that other guy with a truck. But it's a crap truck. But at least it's cheaper. It's only a fiver. And we'd play our show for 20 quid or whatever. And we'd usually put two or three quid in each of our three pockets at the end of the day. Was money important to you when you were younger? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Not lots of it. Enough of it. Yeah. yeah not lots of it enough of it yeah what it what it's like uh did you like my parents is they're they're always worried about money you know so it was like if i wasn't they didn't matter what you did as long as you made money was your family like that not so much my father was not a great businessman And I got the impression That there was a lot of family anxiety About money Even as they sent me to the most fancy schools
Starting point is 00:53:11 Yeah And Which is probably why he was anxious about money Yeah, I bet I mean, it's not cheap to Raise Kids who want, like my sisters went to Michigan and shit. And I saw it firsthand because I'm eight years younger, how much stress it is to give your kids the life that you want to give them.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Do you have that philosophy with your seven kids? Yes, they've all gone to pretty good schools. Yeah. And they're mostly grown up My youngest child is 21 Holy shit Man, you look good, Stuart How old are you?
Starting point is 00:53:55 I am 60 Well, shout out to that Rock and roll keeps you young, man I'm telling you I've been so fascinated with people. It's like the founding youth. When you do music for so long, a lot of these guys just stay young. What do you think that is?
Starting point is 00:54:15 Well, I think drummers actually have an advantage because we actually work for a living, ladies and gentlemen. That guitarist, they wiggle their fingers. They sing a bit. I tried that after all my years chopping wood. One summer in Italy, I'm big in Italy because I go there because I like it. I like the past. I go there a lot.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Where do you go? Lake Como? I was able to pull together a band where I get to be the guitarist. Okay, the real guitarist was Adrian Ballou, but i got to play the power chords and do the singing and we had mark king on bass we had an incredible band actually but i got to be not the drummer we had some young kid mark king's uh drummer from level 42 uh pete ray biggin on drums man that little sucker can smack him you know yeah and it made me feel watching that kid go just made me feel like the old lion real happy there's a young lion around the house to take care of him.
Starting point is 00:55:07 With him slamming on the drums, I'm me just doing the power chords and I'm singing, front man guy. And we come to the end of a day's rehearsal and I haven't even changed my t-shirt once. Young Pete is into his third t-shirt. It's pretty... The drums physically... Keep you healthy. Young Pete is into his third t-shirt. It's pretty... The drugs physically... Keep you healthy. Keep you involuntarily healthy.
Starting point is 00:55:30 I'm not a guy for exercise or working out or anything like that. But my job kept me healthy. What about your job when you were younger? Were you guys degenerates? Were you guys just doing drugs and fucking chicks in the younger years? No, yeah, we did some, but we were not degenerates? Were you guys just doing drugs and fucking chicks in the younger years? Yeah, we did some, but we were not degenerates. We were actually on a mission and we partook of whatever
Starting point is 00:55:50 recreation was there to ameliorate the pain. Sure, but no hard drugs. We were pretty lightweight. After I read Keith Richard's book, I realized that we were pretty lightweight. After I read Keith Richards' book,
Starting point is 00:56:05 I realized that we were Girl Scouts. So I'd like to know about, I'm really into mental health and an advocate of losing the stigma of mental health with musicians. What were you going through through those years of developing? Have you ever dealt with depression in your life?
Starting point is 00:56:26 Not. I've been anxious, upset, but not clinically depressed, which I think is when you can't move. And I have one of my kids suffers from depression. I know what that looks like. I never had a problem being motivated, but I was very anxious. And I think the anxiety drove me to make stuff happen. I couldn't go to bed at night unless I'd moved the ball down the field. And so all day I'd be moving the ball down the field one way or the other, but it's kind of anxiety driven. You know, I know what different spectrum-y things look like. And obviously it's all spectrum.
Starting point is 00:57:04 There's no core definition. There are no real definitions of conditions of this or of that or of the other. They're all kind of a little bit of this, a little bit of that. And it's a complicated world these days. What would keep you up at night when you're developing police? Well, funny you should ask i i'm working on a book which is basically my diaries from 1976 the starving years and i've got it all what do you got tell me where
Starting point is 00:57:37 woke up this morning i you know that my pocket's empty the refrigerator's empty. Nothing's happening. We're dead in the water. At one point, I've got seven quid to last me till my next lucky break. And that was the same week that we played Top of the Pops. It was on British national TV with a hit. The royalties hadn't come in, but it was like this up and down. We'd get good news today, bad news tomorrow, good news the next day. And I look at the activity, woke up, picked up the truck, drove over to Sting's place,
Starting point is 00:58:15 got his gear, drove over to Andy's place, picked up his gear, rehearsed all day, then dropped the gear off, then dropped the truck off, then went over and partied at so-and-so's house till three in the morning, then went over somewhere else to a club to see the vibrators, then went to another club to see the specials, woke up next morning, went to pick up the truck. I mean, just the daily grind of trying to blow wind into the sails. I look back on it now and I go, Jesus Christ. You know, that was a lot of drive. What made you want to write all that stuff when you were young? Like for yourself.
Starting point is 00:58:54 To keep score. To keep score. Today was not wasted. And so that today existed, I'm going to make note of what happened. I took note of all the gigs we played, how much we got paid, how many were in attendance. I got all my accounts from that period.
Starting point is 00:59:13 Holy shit. Really? I guess it's going to be a coffee table book where you see my crap handwriting, my doodles all over the place. And then I explain who these various people are and what was going on. Do you have notes like, Sting was a fucking asshole today?
Starting point is 00:59:28 Or just like... There are notes like that in there. I had the day that I first saw him in Newcastle light off. Saw a great bass player. Andy can sing. So were you like this your whole life?
Starting point is 00:59:42 Is legacy important to you? I don't know that it was legacy because I never knew I was ever going to amount to, I assumed I would amount to something. Everyone does, I guess. But, um. Was writing like a taking a picture for you?
Starting point is 00:59:58 Well, no. Yeah, I guess it was the same instinct. At a certain point I stopped writing and I got a movie camera instead. So that I could slice it off, put it in my suitcase and take it home. The whole experience. But the writing, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:00:13 I found that as an anxious teenager, writing anything, in fact, when I was in boarding school in England, I would just write. Didn't make any sense at all. But the pen would be moving on the page and words would be in the English language or going down on the page. God knows what they meant or anything. But just the act of writing, just getting it, just was very soothing. drums, rarely. My guitar, I can play that, but I wasn't very good at it.
Starting point is 01:00:47 I got to make something. I got to build something. I got to make something. Writing was the only creative exercise that would devolve to let off steam, I guess. Were you a rebel at boarding school? Did they think
Starting point is 01:01:01 you were a good kid? I was a nice kid, I'm sorry to say. That's okay. I was a good kid. I'm still degenerate. I was a late developer, for one thing. I was kind of a scrawny kid, which is one of the reasons, maybe,
Starting point is 01:01:17 that I gravitated to drums. Because I just bang on the drums and the little scrawny kid becomes a serious 400-pound silverback. Was it hard for you to be vulnerable? But check this out, motherfucker. Was it hard for you to be vulnerable as a kid or were you, were you an open book?
Starting point is 01:01:38 I guess I was an open book. You know, the school that I went to was very progressive and very, you know, not compared to today but it was the most horrible confession of all, I liked it I enjoyed it, I was surrounded by my friends all the time
Starting point is 01:01:55 a million adventures I kind of enjoyed it you know it's like my dad, not my dad, my guitar player, his dad, he worked in. That was a Freudian slip. Yeah, exactly. It was definitely a Freudian slip. Who's your daddy?
Starting point is 01:02:12 Who's your daddy? My guitar player. Pardon? What instrument do you play? I play piano. And I'm a songwriter. An actual musician. It's funny, though, because did you ever have resentment that you always had to move?
Starting point is 01:02:26 Like move towns with your dad being a spy? No, no. We didn't that much. I mean, when we moved from Cairo to Beirut, I was too young to know the difference. But eventually when it got hot for my father in the Middle East and he had to ship his family out, I'd been in Beirut for 10 years and I got sent over to boarding school in England. And then eventually my family moved to London. And
Starting point is 01:02:49 we didn't move around that much, not compared to army people, military people. They move around a lot. Every two years they get taken from Reimagen, Germany and sent over to a suburb of Tokyo to God knows where.
Starting point is 01:03:05 Because what I'm fascinated with is like, how does one fall in love with being on the road all the time? I don't know. I don't know. I do know musicians who their life is on the road. And the reason their home life is so good is because they get some yin with their yang. I know people whose life is a hotel
Starting point is 01:03:30 room and are very happy in that condition. Are you happy in that condition? No. Did you know that? When did you realize that? When I started to go out and play with orchestras and do shows on my own without a band.
Starting point is 01:03:46 Yeah. And, uh, that's when I, you know, I'm sitting here in whatever city this is and I'd rather be home. Yeah. I enjoy the rehearsal,
Starting point is 01:03:54 but unlike a band, you know, the bands rehearse all day, every day for weeks, uh, orchestra, they rehearse for two and a half hours. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:01 That's it. Because it's on the page. All they got to do is read the page, run it down a couple times, and they've got it. So in whatever city it is, in Pittsburgh or whatever, we have a two and a half hour rehearsal.
Starting point is 01:04:16 Now I'm walking around Pittsburgh for the rest of the day. Which actually is a pretty cool city. I don't mind Pittsburgh at all. Man, it's so funny how we end up where we end up. When was the first time you realized you fell in love with scoring? Do you remember the moment?
Starting point is 01:04:39 Yeah, as you can imagine, it's become kind of material at this point. But my first film was an incoming call from Francis Coppola. Yeah, as you can imagine, it's become kind of material at this point. Yeah. But my first film was an incoming call from Francis Coppola. Sick. And I didn't know anything about how to score a film or even what the idea is. But I pretty soon learned. He said, this scene here, I need to feel time. He told me what he needed emotionally. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:01 I understood that. And so I went over with my limited keyboard chops and guitar and whatever and i made music that attempted to create that emotion and i i got lucky i guess i kind of achieved that and he was very happy uh but at one point he turned around says this is all really interesting you've got these rhythm loops you got uh these percussion elements there but we need some emotion here we We need some strings. I need some strings on this movie. And at first I was going, well, you know, actually,
Starting point is 01:05:31 you know, the concept here is, and then Francis turns to the producer and said, Doug, tell Stuart we need strings. And okay, I am a professional. This is my first gig. How old are you francis when you're right you're right you know we need strings uh-huh i'm gonna get you some strings so i call up the contractor you know the guy you need i need saxophone he's got a rolodex with all the saxophone players or whatever the contractor yeah and i said i need strings. Okay. How many strings?
Starting point is 01:06:06 I don't know. Strings. More than one. Plural. Strings. Send me some strings. So he did. And I didn't know how to write for strings or which strings were which.
Starting point is 01:06:18 What did you learn? But I had these chords that I was doing. So because of the few years that I did have, I could write down the chords, which were all just footballs. You know, just footballs. A bar of this, a bar of that, a bar of that. Just chord movement. Okay, let's have the strings play that. And so the string guys come in the session, maybe 14, 16 guys, something like that. And I do what I would normally do with a guitarist.
Starting point is 01:06:44 The guitarist comes in he's got his six guitars and a couple amps on his pedal boards and and you have a great afternoon with the guy he said hey hope you're any kind of a rock riff that kind of a bluesy feel try that strat no not the strat les paul cool les paul great cool and you kind of work it out with them and you have a very creative wonderful day working with a guitarist. Okay, so the string guys come in, and I do what I do, and I'm trying to bond with 16 players who are looking a little bit stony-faced. Not stoned. Okay, guys, so we got this scene here,
Starting point is 01:07:18 and when she looks over her shoulders at Rusty James, I need to kind of feel, and then just kind of keep the groove going there, and kind of keep a fine, you know, and they're not, instead of looking enthusiastic the way a guitarist would, they're looking more and more anxious until finally one of them puts a maestro, maestro, do you want us to pay what play what's on the page here or whatever the fuck you're talking about? And I go, okay, play the page,
Starting point is 01:07:44 which was a row of whole notes, footballs. And so a couple of things. First of all, instead of a whole afternoon, they were done in 20 minutes. Second of all, wow, that sounds really pretty. Whoa, that's beautiful. You mean i just put it on the page and i don't have to give them any schmooze they just play whatever i put on the page okay 20 years go by of that and i figure out and more and more involved detailed instructions on
Starting point is 01:08:21 that page and for a while uh for most of it, I had arrangers. I'd write it and hand it off, and they'd give me the chart back, and the orchestra date comes along, and it doesn't sound like John Williams. Yeah. It just goes da-da-da-da-da. I was imagining it would sound like da-da-da-da-da. And he said, well, you've got to put Italian on the page. You've got to put hairpins. You've got to put dynamics. You you got to put Italian on the page. You got to put hairpins.
Starting point is 01:08:46 You got to put dynamics. You got to put the accents. You got to put the articulations. You got to shape it. And so over the time, learning how to shape it, learning where to put the symbols so that they know where to find them, the players, and how to communicate with the different sections. And I just gradually, by osmosis,
Starting point is 01:09:06 involuntarily, had an education in orchestration forced upon me. So with that, when you finally did all the strings and stuff, and you brought it back to Francis Coppola, what was the reaction? He promoted me to sergeant. Let's fucking go. Let's go.
Starting point is 01:09:22 That's what I'm talking about. But it's so funny how that... No, but him and all of his old geezers, who are his crew that he's always worked, probably still does. They all were shaking their heads like, I've never heard anything like this before, which is music. That's
Starting point is 01:09:37 what they're all really... That's what they're all looking for. Francis has really... The people he has around him, he gives them free reign, but he chooses them wisely. Yeah. So, and then it's the same thing with you, Stuart. I mean, he gave you the shot.
Starting point is 01:09:56 I mean, you've never done anything like that before, have you? No, no. He gave me plenty of rope. What do you see in you looking back now? I don't know. He only confessed recently because he denied it for years. It was his son Roman
Starting point is 01:10:11 who said, you know, it's like high noon. I want to hear it. It's teleological. I want to hear the clock ticking. They said, well, you got to talk to this guy in the police, the drummer. He's really cool. Roman said that?
Starting point is 01:10:28 Roman. Yeah, Roman. Roman Coppola. Yeah, yeah. He said that? He told his boss? Him or Carmine. That's amazing.
Starting point is 01:10:37 No, no, no, no. This is terrible. It's terrible. What was his other son's name? Oh, my God. Gianni. Oh, that's terrible because he died tragically
Starting point is 01:10:47 but the two sons said dad you gotta get this guy and what did what did Coppola I know you gotta go soon I got two more questions what did Coppola teach you about art to follow your instincts and to let it flow
Starting point is 01:11:04 and sometimes dig a little deeper but mainly to follow your instincts and to let it flow. Yeah. And sometimes dig a little deeper, but mainly to trust yourself and just give me something, try it. Not, you know, that lesson was, was drilled in more when I went,
Starting point is 01:11:17 one of my subsequent gigs was episodic TV. I did a show called the equalizer, which was bootcamp of composing. Show comes in Tuesday, I score it and I ship it Friday. It doesn't matter if the quality, doesn't matter if it's my finest hour, nevermind.
Starting point is 01:11:33 There is music on the tape and it ships Friday. And then I recuperate for a couple of days and then the next show comes in Tuesday and I score like the wind and ship Friday. And pretty soon you run through everything you've got in your cookie jar, and you just got to come up with something.
Starting point is 01:11:48 And I've learned since that the music that I wrote under that kind of pressure, similarly when I did Spyro, the video game, just the volume, just like churn them and burn them and churn them and burn them, best quality music I ever wrote. Those three-note inventions were the most hooky, the most memorable. And I go back, you know, if I'm stuck for an idea, I go back to what I wrote when I was really under the gun. My theory is that when you're under the gun like that,
Starting point is 01:12:16 you haven't got time to judge yourself. And judging yourself, which is what I learned from Francis, don't. Just do it. Just do it and don't judge if it's good or bad. Judge tomorrow. You can throw it away. Don't throw it away today. You know, just trust yourself and go with it and let it flow. And when you're
Starting point is 01:12:33 up against it, you got no choice. You just, whatever comes out of your brain, you print it. You ship it. You build it. Do you have that same philosophy in life, not overthinking life? Technically, yeah. But I do a lot of thinking.
Starting point is 01:12:50 About what? I'm somebody who I'm real happy to not be staring at my unit. I can stare out the window. The Instagram in my mind. Oh, man. I enjoy concocting schemes and dreaming up stuff.
Starting point is 01:13:11 I don't need to be entertained all the time. Yeah, and the good lesson of what you did on Equalizer is not overthinking your work and trusting yourself that you're a fucking badass, right? Whether or not. I mean, the result was pretty good.
Starting point is 01:13:29 Yeah. But you said that's like the best music. You said that was like the best music you wrote because you didn't overthink it. Yeah, yeah. I didn't have time to. Yeah. Just do it. Just do it.
Starting point is 01:13:39 Don't, you know, get your hand away from that undo button. And that's kind of basically the philosophy of Oysterhead, right? Yeah, absolutely. You know, we got some scraps of songs. We got some cool lyrics. We got some moments there where it comes together. But mainly, the cool stuff is what I haven't heard before. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:58 And that's what gets you high. That's what keeps you doing Oysterhead, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's beautiful, man. Stuart, thank you so much for being on the show, man. I could what keeps you doing Oysterhead, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's beautiful, man. Stuart, thank you so much for being on the show, man. I could talk to you for hours. I'm at Peach Fest. My band's playing Peach Fest same night as you.
Starting point is 01:14:14 Oh, really? What's it called? Andy Frasco in the UN. Yeah. Are you Andy? I'm Andy, yeah. Andy Frasco in the UN. That's me, buddy. All right, I'll see you there. Maybe we'll salute each other. But I got one last question.
Starting point is 01:14:32 I'll let you go do the wonderful things you do in your life. Stuart, what do you want to be remembered by? My children. Yeah? Well, I mean, everything else, everyone does their best at what they do. But your children, that,
Starting point is 01:14:50 you know, like I got Grammys over there. Who cares? I don't even see them anymore. My children and my grandchildren. Yeah. That's pretty much the meaning of life. That's beautiful,
Starting point is 01:15:01 man. Well, thank you for being such an influence To everyone around us I mean my band's punk rock Because you guys are punk rock And that's what I fucking loved about it And we I just It's an honor to talk to you And thank you for spending your Saturday with me man
Starting point is 01:15:17 I appreciate it Well thank you very much Have a great show and I'll see you at Peach Yeah oh fuck we gotta talk about that Peach Fest. Have you ever done it? No. So what's your take on jam band festivals?
Starting point is 01:15:31 And then I'll let you go. Well, we did Bonnaroo, which that day was a jam band festival. And I myself am a jam band fan. I used to listen to Jam On on Sirius XM. Oh, yeah. Ari Fink. Yeah. And then it became Phish all the time.
Starting point is 01:15:52 And now I kind of like Phish. In fact, one of my buddies plays in Phish. In fact, all four guys in Phish are my buddies. I can listen to Phish all day. But I like some of the other bands, too. And I kind of like it. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's the idea that we're free.
Starting point is 01:16:13 It's free music. It's not all about the hook song coming in. It's just rambling on. And my brain is kind of rambling on, so it's a good match. Well, keep rambling, buddy. And I'll see you on the weekend. Have a great one, man. thank you so much for being on the show bro appreciate it thank you buddy see you later later wow stewart fucking copeland holy shit i am i stayed up till like 6 00 a.m last night uh and then i had to do this uh four later, and I thought we did a good job.
Starting point is 01:16:49 Shout out to Nick. Shout out to Joe. Shout out to Bongiorno for helping me with that, because that guy is really smart and really intellectual, and I think we got some good stuff out there. All right, guys. I'll catch you on the tail end. Now, a message from the UN. Thank you, man. Oh, man. I didn't know what it means to be me. Oh, man. Believe Oh my I didn't know what it means to believe
Starting point is 01:17:31 But if I hold on tight Is it true Would you take care of all that I do Oh Lord I'm getting ready Would you take care of all that I do? Oh Lord, I'm getting ready to believe. Oh my, I didn't know how hard it would be Oh my I didn't know how hard
Starting point is 01:18:10 it would be But if I hold on tight is it true Would you take care of all that I do Oh Lord I'm getting ready Would you take care of all that I do? Oh, Lord, I'm getting ready.
Starting point is 01:18:34 Oh, Lord, I'm getting ready. Oh, Lord, I'm getting ready to leave. And there you have it. What a great interview. Thank you, Stuart. Like a pimp. Let's go. My man. Just killing it.
Starting point is 01:18:52 Giving us all the information. Oh my God. We got a very special guest. We're talking Peach Fest with John Hampton and Jeff Gordon. How you guys doing? Doing great. How are we doing? We're happy to be back.
Starting point is 01:19:04 That's how we're doing. That's how you do it. Yeah. How can you talk doing? We're doing great. How are we doing? We're happy to be back. That's how we're doing. That's awesome. Yeah, how, can you talk to me about that? It's got to be feel great to have a festival back, you know? Oh, you know what? Many thought that would not happen. Sure. And you know what?
Starting point is 01:19:19 We weren't totally sure either, quite frankly. But, you know, you got to have faith, as George Michael would say. And I mean that sincerely because we felt strongly about not moving this or canceling it. And whether that was dumb or we got lucky, I don't really care. We have a beautiful festival coming next weekend and we're excited about it. A bunch of great bands and it's important to get music back in people's lives. Yeah, it's like when you finally pull the trigger and say, we're going through with this stuff, it's got to feel good because through a year and a half. I mean, you guys are fucking big deals. You guys are, this is crazy.
Starting point is 01:20:06 The Philly, dog. This is Philly in the building. And to just make, to see that festivals are coming back and you to be one of the first ones, I'm just going to applaud you all. So fuck yeah, let's go. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:20:17 We appreciate it. We were getting a lot of boos about months ago. It's nice to get a pause right now. People thought we were crazy. That's for sure. Most of the conversations we had were like, you guys areos about months ago. It's nice to get a pause right now. People thought we were crazy. That's for sure. Most of the conversations we had were like, you guys are out of your minds. Yes.
Starting point is 01:20:29 Which they're kind of right, but we still did it anyway. No, but it makes sense for this to be July 1st because isn't it the 50th anniversary of Live at Filmer East as well? Absolutely. Yeah. So it works out perfectly. Do you want to talk a little bit about what you're bringing on for that part of the festival?
Starting point is 01:20:47 Yeah, it's a special set. It's going to be live from the Phil Maurice in its entirety, which we're excited about. And you know, this festival was, you know, obviously, somewhat obviously, the Peach Festival came out of conversations with the Allman Brothers and Bert Holman and back then Johnny Boudel and CJ Strach. So it's such a music festival. I mean, they're all music festivals, so don't get me wrong, but it's truly, you know, people want to call it jam band, but I, what's a jam band. Somebody plays a song longer than three and a half or four minutes, I guess. Sure. Somebody who improvises. Sure. I mean, that would make Pearl Jam in a jam band or Led Zeppelin in a jam band. So sure. But it's just so musical and
Starting point is 01:21:27 it's, I don't know, I'm just, I'm really excited. John and I both, I don't want to speak for John, but John and I both come from a fan's perspective, you know. We're probably sort of maybe first or second generation promoters that came from a fan's perspective. So we're just geek we're gonna geek out and watch some music you know live music so we're that's our motivator it's just smiles on people's faces to be honest with you do you ever get to like sit back and like realize what you're doing for the community um are you always thinking about the next gig
Starting point is 01:22:00 well you know what we i how do i say this good waiters don't work for tips they work because they want to make sure the food's hot and serve it to them so yeah we don't work for tips you know what i mean so yes we absolutely constantly remind ourselves how blessed we are we are but in the same breath we're like okay let's keep going yeah when i just when i hope so that we'll have be able to have that moment god willing to sit back because it was such a struggle and you know just just as simply pull this off means a lot and you know and to our partners the agents and the managers that stuck with us through it because you know it was daunting you know yeah and there and pull this off it's you should have a moment where you're like okay this is great and you bro i mean
Starting point is 01:22:43 that's me it's testament to to you, too. That's why we, I mean, I'm not saying that, not pandering because we're having it on your podcast, but I mean that sincerely. It's like, you bring such a great, the great word of music to people, and it's all part of that fabric.
Starting point is 01:23:00 You know what I mean? And it's a beautiful, beautiful quilt we all knit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, and we're all in this thing together. And I want to talk about Oysterhead fucking tight, dude. Who picked that for coming back to Peachy? It's crazy, right? What the fuck? We're lucky to enjoy some very good relationships with all the members
Starting point is 01:23:19 and all the management and all the agents that are involved with Oysterhead. And we've been talking about it for a while and, you know, they decided to come and play some shows and one of our first picks, of course. Yeah. And this is like the first time in the Northeast and I don't know, decades. Yeah. So we're, we're, like I said, we, we come from a fan perspective and we thought we,
Starting point is 01:23:41 it was going to be special prior to the pandemic. Now it's unbelievably special. And I cannot, and I know you just talked to Stuart, I cannot thank all of the members and the agents and the managers and the crew and everybody to stick with us and still keep what I would call, you know, quote unquote super group together because they are a super group. There's not a lot of super groups around you know when i grew up listening to you know i'm not they weren't brand
Starting point is 01:24:10 new records for me but my older brother and my uncles would turn me on to cream and stuff like that or derrick and the dominoes you know that were the souls were super groups or crosby stills and nash and young or whatever you know whatever the case is yeah whatever great bands were um and i was always enamored by how other artists would play in these other bands and be that popular. You know what I'm saying? It was just great. And Oysterhead's a true superhero.
Starting point is 01:24:33 It is. It's truly insane because it's all three of the guys, and everyone in their own respective bands have played with y'all and done the thing. So it's just nice to see a different form of the people we all fucking grew up admiring. I don't know about you,
Starting point is 01:24:51 but I've always wanted to be a promoter. I admire people like you and Strasberg and people who are just out there fucking taking one for us. I appreciate you for taking one for the chin. We're going to be Andy Frasco. That's how we ended up being promoters. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 01:25:06 Yo, we'll get you on stage. We'll crowd surf you. Two choices. Yeah. Although I will say something that we haven't really talked about too much is that John and I did get a band together during the pandemic. No way. You never know what could happen next week. You never know what might be up there.
Starting point is 01:25:21 Are you given a world-saving exclusive right now? We did start a basement jam band. Firstly, it was online so we could get together and then we actually started a band. We may not be festival ready. No, we're not quite ready yet.
Starting point is 01:25:37 Jazz Odyssey. Jazz Odyssey. No, fuck that. You're sitting in on the frasco set. It's a done deal. Hey, guys, give me one of your favorite memories of Peach Fest.
Starting point is 01:25:50 First one that pops up. I mean, Jeff's the creator. I mean, God, there's so many. I mean, that sounds so stock.
Starting point is 01:25:59 There's so many, but for some reason what comes right to mind is Lotus Late Night because it was just such a mind blower, you know? Yeah. but for some reason what comes right to mind is Lotus late night. Uh, because it was just as a mind blower, you know? Yeah. And then we had Aussie Floyd,
Starting point is 01:26:12 which was amazing. I mean, the consistency of Warren being a part all the time has been amazing, of course, because we're huge Warren fans. And really harken back to the first couple of years in the Allman brothers. You know, I grew up, my aunt brought me to the Enlightened Rogues tour and brought me to Greg Allman's solo shows at clubs I should have never been at,
Starting point is 01:26:34 been in at 14 or 15 years old. So I was always such a huge Greg fan. I mean, it was all my brother's time, but such a huge Greg fan. I thought he was amazing in the movie Rush. That's how much I was a huge greg fan i thought it was amazing in the in the movie rush that's how much i was hot take okay okay that was a greg allman fan i was i thought it was the coolest shit motherfucker you know what i mean excuse my language oh god no worries yeah of course okay but i mean dating share you know what i mean i thought that stuff was rock star fucking rock star shit right there dude yeah so so being able to to talk and talk
Starting point is 01:27:04 about music with Greg Allman, I mean, I kept pinching myself the entire time. It's Greg fucking Allman. Yeah. That's probably, if I had to say something, it was being able to be around and being creative with Greg Allman certainly was a highlight of my life, not even Peach Fest. I mean, a highlight of my life.
Starting point is 01:27:22 How hard was it? Top ten of my life. I bet. How hard was it when he passed? It was brutal. Brutal. Yeah. Really brutal.
Starting point is 01:27:32 You know, he had health issues back and forth and looked like he was on a road to being great. Tough, man. That's a tough one. I mean, they're all tough. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. Greg, again, the Allman brothers and. I mean, they're all tough. Don't get me wrong. Greg, again, the Allman Brothers
Starting point is 01:27:47 and Greg Allman meant so much to me. It was a heartbreaker. But you know what was really cool is that in honor of Greg and the Allman Brothers, wherever they are,
Starting point is 01:27:59 which is hopefully above watching the Peach Festival and smiling, Hell yeah, they are. the legacy item and legacy festival that really incorporates what I think that band was about. Like Blackberry Smoke's a great example.
Starting point is 01:28:11 When they were in year one or year two, as soon as they knew the Allman Brothers were on, they drove like half across the country before they were as big as they are now because they just wanted to be on it. You know what I mean? Yeah. So we get a lot of that, which is so great. You know what I mean? It's so great.
Starting point is 01:28:26 A lot of bands that we just try to scrounge together a couple of hotel rooms for and 500 bucks that are coming from like Mississippi. Cause they want to be part of the show. Yeah. Cause they want to be part of the experience. You guys built an experience. Me, that's the highlight of it. When we get a call from a, you know, a band that's trying to grow or whatever it's growing and building and they're like, we got to play
Starting point is 01:28:49 The Peach. Well, okay, where are you guys? We're in Wyoming. Two days before, I'm like, okay. I go, we got a spot for you. Any way we can get one room, it's six of us. I'm like, you know what, I'll probably try and get you two rooms. Is that okay? Probably better. You know what the beautiful thing,
Starting point is 01:29:04 that's what I want to do when I'm doing the corresponding get two rooms. Is that okay? Probably better. You know what the beautiful thing, that's what I wanted to do when I'm doing, because I'm doing the corresponding for the weekend. I want to interview the band that's the last band on the poster. Where do you live? What band?
Starting point is 01:29:18 Oh, no. There's been a bunch that I've added on that just wanted to be there for coming out like exactly what you just said. Yeah. But that's the beauty of the page,
Starting point is 01:29:26 is the spirit that we created, that people would come out of their way no matter what the way that. Yeah. I'm super excited that you are the correspondent. I'm getting in there. We'll have to find your version of Triumph the Dog or something like that.
Starting point is 01:29:41 Maybe it'll be an actual dog that we'll be talking. Are you a Stern fan? You love Stern? Oh, yeah, massive, yeah. Yeah, me too, man. I've been on the wrap-up show a bunch, and I wish I was there during... I mean, like, East Coast,
Starting point is 01:29:54 that's radio. That's what I looked up to, so I'm looking forward to do that and do my best to get the people involved, and we're going to get a lot of stuff corresponding and stuff, so thanks for having me on that thing.
Starting point is 01:30:06 Just one last thing before we go. Talking about Greg's death and stuff, this is why we're doing Peach. To live in the moment, to enjoy the weekend, and to enjoy finally just being together. And that's the most important thing. I just want to thank you guys for
Starting point is 01:30:21 putting your dicks out there. I really appreciate it. You know what? We almost got our balls chopped out so you're welcome well when i see you i can't wait to hug you guys thank you so much for your service brother we are looking forward it smiling ear to ear grinning ear to ear we're so excited we can't we hope to see everybody out at the beach it's truly a special time and it's really rejoicing in the fact that we're back. We're alive. We got a lot of music rocking like nobody's business. Let's fucking go, boys.
Starting point is 01:30:51 We're going to fuck shit up out there. We're going to fuck shit up. Jeff, John, thank you so much for being on the show. And I'll see you in a couple days, buddy. All right, brother. See you soon, man. Have a good one, guys. Later.
Starting point is 01:31:02 There you have it. The creators of Peach Fest Pumped up You know It's stressful Getting out You know It's stressful times
Starting point is 01:31:10 And for them to fucking say We're throwing it We're rocking We're gonna have We're gonna celebrate life Is so honorable So I love those guys I'll see you guys at the Peach Fest
Starting point is 01:31:18 July 1 through 4 I'll be around So come out If you haven't gotten tickets yet Come out It's fun Philly Scranton
Starting point is 01:31:24 Pennsylvania The whole East Coast crew, all my favorite friends are playing. You might as well come out. All right, guys. That's it for you. I'm going to interview like three people from Peach Fest too. I want to interview Jake from Umphrey, so I think that's going to be my next one.
Starting point is 01:31:40 We've got some bangers coming up, and then I've got a bunch of interviews as well. So you've got a lot of great interviews coming up. So I love you. Be safe. Don't take no shit from nobody. Like I said in the beginning, life is short. If you're feeling stressed out, excuse me, just burped. If you're feeling stressed out, take a deep breath and say, you only live once. and do you want to remember the times in your life
Starting point is 01:32:08 where you were more stressed out or do you want to remember the times when we tried to figure out our anxieties and tried to make the best of it alright I love you
Starting point is 01:32:16 and I'll see you next week or I'll see you in a couple days at Peach Fest let's fucking go bye you tuned in to the World Cypher Podcast with Andy Fresco
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Starting point is 01:32:55 or whatever springs to Andy's wicked brain. And after a year of keeping clean and playing safe, the band is back on tour. We thank our brand new talent booker, Mara Davis. We thank this week's guest, our co-host, and all the fringy frenzies that help make this show great. Thank you all.
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