Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 132: Round 2 with Oteil Burbridge & Eric Krasno

Episode Date: July 13, 2021

It's a blast from our podcast's past as we hit ROUND 2 with this doozy of an episode. We open with special guest co-host & guitar hero, Eric Krasno AND THEN hit it hard on the Interview Hour with bass legend, Oteil Burbridge! Andy & Oteil splash around the deep end whilst floating from this end of Peach Fest to the other. Beats sings some MJ and Frasco closes us out, solo style. This is EP 132   Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Love Hard" on iTunes, Spotify  Keep up with our dear friends, Krasno & Oteil: erickrasno.com and oteilburbridge.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Shawn Eckels Andee "Beats" Avila   Arno Bakker

Wherever you go, whatever you do, I will be right here wasted with you. Let's have us some drinks and make glasses clink. I will be right here wasted with you. I wonder if we should call your guy and get high. Cocaine. But in the end, we should get some food and go to bed instead. And we should get some food and go to bed instead Wherever you go, whatever you do I will be right here wasted with you Let's have us some drinks and make glasses clean

I will be right here wasted with you. Let's start the show. Yeah. And we're back. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. How's our heads?

How's our minds? Are we staying out of trouble? Another Peach Fest installment of the World Saving Podcast. What other way to bring out another episode with the GOAT, Eric Krasnow. It's my co-host. What's up, brother? Hey, bud. Man, can I say something right quick? Yeah, what up? That year set at PeachFest was ridiculous, man. Really? Yeah. It was like, and it was a big proud moment, not only because I have been your friend for a little while

and seen you perform and seen the band perform, but also playing the new song and watching the crowd reaction to it. And that's not even out on an album. It was just like the natural reaction to that song. But really also just to you guys as a band and just seeing the excitement in the crowd and people singing along. And it was just a great performance all around, man. And just seeing there were so many people there for you guys.

You know what I mean? Excited for you guys. It wasn't like a normal festival set. It felt like your show. You know what I mean? Excited for you guys. It wasn't like a normal festival set. It felt like your show. You know what I mean? And I was so – I really didn't expect you to be there. I knew you had Oteel right after. I really thought you were just do your thing over there.

And you were there and you showed up at right this time. Right when that song came on. We wrote that song together, dude. It was amazing because I – basically we had rehearsal. And as soon as rehearsal ended i like found a ride you know in one of the carts and right as it pulled up you guys went into that song and i ran up on stage was like yeah i'm like krasno get up here you start singing on that yeah that was great you know that was a great moment letting people know a little you know

krasno produced four one two three three songs uh we did love grow old we had dreams and now blame it on blame it on me and um you know so it's it was just so special to like play new songs and then have the dude who helped me you know it was that's that is some of my favorite moments i've ever, ever had in life, is watching. I've gotten to do that a few times. Like Tedeschi Trucks Band, a lot of that first album and that second album I was involved with and wrote, and then to see them perform those songs

and see people sing them along. And I've gotten to do that over the years with different artists. And it's different than singing it yourself. It's just a different sensation to watch it in the crowd and be like, it's cool. And because you helped birth the song. So for you not even to be there and just watching something that we all created has got to feel. It's like when a kid graduates from high school or goes into college. It's like, damn. Yeah, for sure.

This kid's going to be okay. Yeah. Because I've also done it as an artist to a certain degree, but it's different to be in this. You and I will be in this room where I'm in right now, coming up with ideas and throwing shit at the wall. And then you whittle it down and you get it to an idea. And we get all excited.

We start high-fiving. And then I get to leave it for six months. And then the band works it out and the band starts playing it. And then to see it in front of 20,000 people and have them singing it back that progression and to be in the Epsomception and then to get to watch it

in that moment is a really special unique feeling. Hopefully helping people. Oh you definitely are and as I've told you before my mother-in-law is a big Frasco fan. Shout out to Frazzy's stepmom. Let's go.

Shout out to Lucille. Lucille. Mom. But she listens to, like, she became a fan of you during lockdown. And I think there's quite a few people in this same boat that got to know you. And you also, because of your podcast, because of your show, and that combined with your music, people get to know you. You know what I mean?

And I think that's a unique thing to this time period, and specifically lockdown. We all started doing these things that we're doing right now, where we kind of talk about our craft and we talk about our personal lives you know like like you're very much um you know you talk about yourself like you put yourself out there you know what i mean in your music too and i think that's a beautiful thing way beyond that people connect with you and the music and like you're saying it helps people yeah man and like you know this is why i have you on the music. And like you're saying, it helps people.

Yeah, man. And like, you know, this is why I have you on the show this week. I mean, it's, it's the fucking podcast trio. It's me,

you, Kraz and Oteel. Why'd you do the podcast? Basically is what I'm asking. Well, you know, and I, I remember I was inspired by you when you came by and I don't remember

speaking with you about it. Cause I had a radio show on Sirius XM like a while ago yeah it was kind of before I mean podcasts were a thing but they weren't as much a thing at that point and I was interviewing folks on my radio show but because of the format they had to play music every like 90 seconds so I would get Derek I got Derek Trucks I got Warren Haynes I got Pretty Lights I got all these really cool people to come on my show. And it got cut down to these short little interviews and we didn't get to go deep. So I always, at first I was trying to do it for a radio station, you know, and I didn't realize that, is that really loud? No, it was great. I thought it was a ghost in the house.

No, they're doing some construction outside. So I would do interviews on my radio show, but they had to get cut down so we couldn't go deep. So I wanted to do a podcast forever. And then honestly, you came to my house that morning and you were doing your podcast. Like, oh man, I really want to do this. And then I kind of developed a concept that was going to be Craz Plus One, where we perform in my studio and we film it and we do an interview. Yeah, that's sick. So that was my initial concept. And I did a few of those.

I did Sun Little, did Marcus King, videoed, played in my studio. Then COVID hit. So when COVID hit, I was just starting it. I hadn't even put anything out. And then I said, shit, well, I can do this via Zoom. And that's when it kind of really took off because then everyone was home. So I got Dave Matthews, John Mayer, all these people. Yeah, and they were all home.

You know what I mean? Whereas if it weren't for the lockdown, I probably would have taken a lot longer or I may not have even gotten a lot of the great guests that I got. and you wouldn't have the time bro yeah i wouldn't have had the time i mean i'm having trouble now i'm having trouble now keeping up you know uh with it but uh you know i think one of the things that is like i have always been an artist that thrives behind the scenes to a certain degree so a lot of people don't know what I do. You have to be a musician or an artist and research me to know that I've produced for 50 Cent or done Snoop Dogg records.

It's hard to find out because I'm a very eclectic musician. So I think part of the podcast, also because of all the different types of guests that I have, it's brought a lot of people into my world. They hear me talk to Kweli and that kind of shows this whole other side of shit that I've done. Or like Tedeschi Trucks band on the whole other side. And then all the Grateful Dead related stuff. Because I'm all over the place with what I like to do. That's what I was going to ask you. Like, do you think people just stereotype you as just a guitar player?

Definitely. I think, well, I think I'm coming out of that. I think that the podcast is kind of revealing more, you know, I think that, but like, for example, when I went out and did my first Eric Krasnow tour, people, I was 100% and still am to a certain degree the guitarist from Soul Life. And I'm thankful for that. Don't get me wrong. Soul Life, to me, is such an amazing project, an amazing opportunity.

But it's one thing. And when I put out my records, it's only a small portion of what I do. It's like I'm more of a – I've really always been a songwriter first. I know. That's how I know you. Right. And some people now are finding me that way. So that's the whole thing is that now, even though it's 20 years later,

it's taken a while for me to establish myself outside of Soul Live. And again, I'm not putting down Soul Live. I love everything that we've done. But I remember when I did that band, I had no idea that that would be what defined me. It was kind of like, oh, here's a funky soul jazz thing that is fun. It wasn't like, this is me. This is my band. And it was very much me fitting into

something like it was their concept kneeling out you know to do soul live i kind of fit in to what they were doing i was talking to nikki about this where like why do people create a legacy or an idea of someone over the first thing they fucking do when they're right you know we're kids yeah i mean that's an interesting thing. I mean, and then people try for their entire lives to redefine themselves. And it's impossible. It's really hard to do that, man.

It's really hard to do that. And you have to be so dedicated. I'm on my fourth solo album and I feel like this one, people are still just being like, oh, Kraz does this? He sings and writes songs and shit. Isn't that crazy?

So it's a thing you got to keep doing. If you think about Andy Summers has probably made 40 solo albums, but he's the guy from The Police. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like you'll never convince anyone otherwise. You know what's funny, though, Kraz? I got two questions.

FYI, fucking the single's sick, dude. Your single's dope. Thank you, man. I'm loving it, dude. This is your year. I really do feel this way. Your band is... Thank you, man. Your band, you got to introduce me to your band. We're a bunch of young cats who sing their ass

off. Red Rocks must have been sick. How'd that feel? Dude, Red Rocks must have been sick. How'd that feel? Dude, Red Rocks was so epic. I haven't been nervous in a long time. Once we were on stage, I felt fine. But leading up to it with a brand new band, we rehearsed enough, you know what I mean? But then when we got on stage, it just felt good, man.

Those guys are amazing. And I'm really fortunate to have found such a great crew. You always have certain expectations that you want to get to, but really the most important thing is making art that you love and that you are super proud of. And I'm proud of this band and of this album enough to, even if it doesn't do anything i'll be happy because i know that i did something that i feel is is is better than what i did before like i'm getting better

at what i'm doing which is all you can really expect you know that's how you know that brings my next like what did you learn about yourself when you're interviewing all these guys that you know they're they're all peers to you, like John Mayer. I mean, they're all on your level. You guys are all that fucking type of dude. What did you learn about yourself talking to these guys? You know, a lot of the older guys, I mean, I love interviewing John Mayer and some of the guys that are like more my age. But like talking to George Porter and John Schofieldofield you know because that's the shit for me

is like if you're 70 years old and you're still excited about making music every day and in your you know as vital as you or or you know uh what's the word as passionate as you were when you were 25 like that's the guy i want to be regardless of how much money you have and how much you know like quote unquote success you have if you're making if you're having fun at that point in your life and really enjoying yourself like that's what i where i want to be so i listen to those guys because they've been able to maintain that yeah um and like someone like john schofield i mean he's made records that have evolved his entire career. He's never made the same record.

And he keeps reaching and keeps getting better at making records and his playing or whatever. So guys like that, I try to study, like, OK, how did they do that? And not that I would do it the same way because I can't, but what I can do is look at them and be like, okay, they're still challenging themselves all the time. You know what I mean?

Also, you've got to stay well-rounded. You know what I mean? You've got to do different things. You've got to keep yourself. That's one of the things that makes me happy, and that's why I love producing. know like for example when i work with you like i get super excited when we get somewhere yeah and because it's like i because it's also like when i'm working on a record with you it's a different uh it's a different outlet than me making a record it's

just a different feeling is there less pressure more pressure for you do you feel like you could have more fun when you're producing other people's stuff versus when you're producing your own stuff that's an interesting question i sometimes feel like it's more pressure i'm working on a couple songs right now actually like right right now and i'm like you know when i'm working on the mixes and getting it to where it needs to be. Yeah, I want the artist to be super excited. So particularly right now, this project I'm working on, I wouldn't say I get nervous about it, but I put more pressure on it, I think, when it's someone else.

Because when it's me, I'll sit there and tweak it for a freaking month yeah i'll go too far and i there's no you know what i mean i'll go way too far yeah um so yeah that's a really good question i don't really know it's more okay when my records with my records i get more pressure when it's like being released you know i mean when it's being released i'm like okay like is this gonna what's it gonna do you know um versus when i'm working with an artist it's being released, I'm like, okay, what's it going to do? Versus when I'm working with an artist, it's more about me presenting them with something that they're really excited about. And you don't want to let them down. Yeah, I don't want to let them down.

That's a crazy one because it's really really you have to like that's why like for me and you can probably attest this or like to a certain degree it's like when i'm producing and working with someone it's all about like getting to the source of like what they want to say you know what i mean and it's like that part is a lot of times the hardest thing it's not even really about getting the song or the sound done. It's like that first kind of stepping into that zone. Like when you come to my house, we hang and we kick it for a while. Yeah, we kick it. Yeah, exactly.

Right before we get into music. Because I think that's really important. I don't think it's something you can phone in. As a producer, I want to make something with the artists that they wouldn't have made without me, but that they could have made. And sometimes I'll bring a lot of orchestration and a lot of complexity to it.

And then sometimes I'll take a lot of that away. You know what I mean? But it's really about getting to the place where the statement is pure and something that you're going to want to sing on stage for a long time. Also that its presentation on the record is unique to you and also has a statement to it. It doesn't sound like anything else.

That's hard to do. It's hard to get there. But I think for me, a lot of it is getting our brains together and getting our heads right. But what's your approach with Emily King? She's here right now, actually, in the other room. Oh, shit, dude. I'm sorry. She's in the living room right now, actually. Such a big talent. How do you, like, what do you do?

Yeah, she's amazing. Well, I haven't really done a lot. I mean, mostly the production I've done with her was for my album. But we've written together and worked together. And her and Jeremy most are really like a power team. And she's such an incredible writer. And her approach is so good that it's really like she doesn't need a lot she mostly needs like sonics you know what i mean because her she's so solid in what she wants to say yeah um so and and she's also been making records for a really long time so you know with her and then when i had her on my album i basically

So with her, and then when I had her on my album, I basically had it completely mapped out to the point where she was happy with it. And then she just executed it. So it was really about, in that case, having the song really solid and all the parts solid first. You know what I mean? But then when I played it for her, she was just down to jump into it.

But she's a great producer herself, too, kind of. So she'll come in with a song that's amazing already, you know what I mean? And it's already so good that I'm just like, or in Jeremy's case, whoever's producing it, is just kind of adding the simplicity. You can't overdo, you don't want to overdo her stuff yeah i mean what about with your stuff do you ever feel like you're overdoing some of your productions because yeah my last album my last album the craz telescope record which a lot of people don't know because it wasn't under my name it was under craz you had to like look for it and

i did that with jeremy at most and emily's on it but yeah that one i i wanted to do that that's why i kind of i ended up putting it out in another name because i wanted to do something that was really lush with like synths and i was super into taming paula at the time and mgmt's first album and i was like okay i kind of like got stoned one day it was like i can fucking do that you know and basically that was like the challenge you know i mean i listened to tame impala and i was like man these guys are fucking doing like this shit in the in all like in their ableton and in their laptop that sounds so huge and i kind of like was like okay let's like study how like me and jeremy

were like let's see if we can do that you know and there's no other musicians or instruments on it it's just me and him yeah you know so it's like us on my and we did most of it in my laptop but it sounds super big and big and like yeah and it's mixed very fucking good dude yeah we spent some time on those mixes yeah but you know my new record i think is is a more of a balance because i realized between that and this one okay that shit's really hard to perform like the telescope album like i tried to perform this shit and i was like okay i need like eight background singers four synths sounds expensive dog yeah i was like okay that can't happen and

with the new stuff that was one of the things that I thought about. I was like, okay, I need to be able to play this with a drummer and a bass player. And maybe a keyboard player. But the real thing that is so great about this new band is because everyone sings, the vocals are represented. Because on the album, there's a lot of great vocals. And Otis McDonald co-produced it, who's such an incredible musician. And he did all the drums, and he mixed it too.

But we kind of did a really cool thing with this record, where I basically put down the demos in my studio. And it was COVID, so i would put down guitar and vocals and bass maybe or and i would do some shitty drums and be playing and then i'd send it to him and he'd add all this cool shit send it back to me i would add like a guitar solo and then he'd mix it any tracks where you're you're drumming did any of the drum tracks made the record no i know i can send you the demos demos are kind of hard bro i you know i mean it's it's generally just to give up my a little bit of my secret is like i would just loop myself you know so i would get like a really good groove

and then i would loop it and chop it up and there's certain ones that i really like the demo but in order to get the sounds consistent and also because he's such a great drummer. I had him play drums. But on Telescope, a lot of it is me and Jeremy just looping or adding. It's a lot of programmed shit. Remember when we did that first song,

Love Grow, and you sent it over to a drummer? That's Curtis. Oh, word? You're a drummer? Dude, I fucking love Curtis. Shout out to Curtis Kelly. Shout out to Curtis. And great singer. That's the cool thing about this band, The Assembly,

is everybody in the band is making dope records themselves. They all understand that. When we're on stage, they respect the arrangements and the song and shit. And then we go off from there and we can improvise. Yeah, I'm really excited. This is a good chapter in the Krasno story because the band is hot. You're fucking on a roll right now. Something's going on with you, Kras.

But you're writing good shit and you're just producing good stuff. I was with you for four days, five days, and you're on to something right now, Krazzy. I appreciate that, man. Well, it's been a blessing that I get to work with great people. I love working with you. I get to work with the best people, man. It's a blessing. It's a blessing.

I'm really excited about the songs that we created man that's they're really special and your band man it's like uh it's it was so cool to to have um because you know i've seen you guys play over the but then to but then to like create those songs with you guys and then see you guys perform again was like a really cool progression you know and to see those songs like come alive. We're growing up. Right in front of your eyes, Krazy. Yeah, man. I love it.

I'm real proud. I'm like a proud dad. I love it. Proud big bro. You're not old enough to be a dad. Yeah, big bro, big bro. Not old enough for dad to be a dad. No, no, no.

You already got a kid to deal with, dog. You don't need more. Yeah, well, Louis is trying to be down with the UN. I know, dude. God, your baby is – your family, dude. I really – I just love it. I'm just so happy for you. They love you.

They love you. They're always checking in. They're like, Frasco. I fucking love them, dude. Thank you for being on the show. We got Otil on the show. This is a PeachFest installment. So what did you think of PeachFest?

Give it to me. Oh, man. It was such a cool experience. It was my first like real real festival back um i mean i did swanee but it was you know it was social distance so yeah i mean you know and to play with otil and the almond bets guys and play that music with those people was amazing man um and to be around all you know's something that I wouldn't say I take it for granted. I always love being at festivals

and I always appreciate being around my friends. But I think this time made me really, really appreciate it. I ate it on another level. Seeing everybody, you know, I've been doing this for a while, man. You know, and it's like, I know most of the bands and I know most of the people backstage. And you kind of forget.

I rolled up and I was like, oh, shit, it's that dude. And they're like, oh, it's the catering guy. I know everybody from the years of being on the road. I'm like, oh, Annabelle. All the sound guys and tour managers that I've either worked with or known like it's a family it's a massive family so uh it was special to be to see everybody and to hang out yeah krazy i love you go kick ass with emily king um yeah you know i'm always rooting for you buddy and i'm proud of you thank you brother i'm just thankful to have you as a big bro so thank you

man it's it's it's an man. It's an honor, bro. It's an honor. Dude, we're in this shit together. To the people listening, enjoy O'Teal. We talk about everything. O'Teal's crazy, dude. He's the man. He's the best. He's the best. He's like my big bro, you know? So, you know, I've been learning from him for

over 25 years now. That's fucking beautiful. Well, keep passing the torch, the knowledge, buddy. Yes, sir. Well, have fun out there. Love you, Chris. Thank you, brother. Love you too, man.

Later, bro. There you have it. Krasnoy. All right. Next up on the interview hour, we have round two with Oteel Burbridge. Yo, Chris, play some Oteel otil play some almond brothers or play some dead what i mean whatever i mean otil's been in every band he's the man great conversation um bass player extraordinaire he's got a podcast now that's fucking killing it

i just love talking to no teal we talk about. We barely talk about music ever when I'm with him. And this is another, um, situation where that happens. Um, we talk about the after death, the life. Um,

we talk about old spirits and I mean, it's, it's, it, it, we're talking about aliens. It was, it,

we go there and I'm really excited for you to listen to it for another installment of the peach fest, uh, world saving Podcast interview collaboration. So, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Oteel Burbridge. Angel without me That it's all in my hands That the fear will bind me Round two with Oteel. Hey, buddy. How you doing?

You're like a podcast master now. I know. I can't believe we knocked out 50. I couldn't believe it, dude. You know, it's like, I want to talk to you about this experience. Are you learning a lot from just talking to people every day? Oh, my God. Yeah, it's been, I mean, I've been amazed that we were able to get the people that we asked for. But certainly, like, so that blew me away.

Heavy hitters. I mean, I have been for freaking 40, you know, over 40 years. And I saw the head of Harvard's astronomy department, Avi Loeb, was going around talking about UFOs and oh, muah, muah, might be a probe from an alien. And I was like, man, what the hell? Let's just come. He was like, sure. I was like, what the hell let's just come he was like sure i was like oh cool so i got the head of the harvard astronomy department that's into ufos yeah it's like score so it just like you know one thing like that after another uh you know we're just like wow this is crazy so i've definitely been learning a lot is it intimidating to interview people at that caliber of education no because you know like i'm the only one in my family that's never

been to college yeah or graduate all my rest of my family graduated i've never been to one day but i've met so many different people even just from living in washington dc um and i don't know like he doesn't know shit about bass guitar i don't think so i'm like you know i'm that's my area of whatever expertise that i have on it so i'm super happy to not know i'm like hey man like what did he teach you? Well, you know what's funny is that the biggest lessons that he taught, because he grew up on a farm. Yeah.

So, I mean, aside from certain technical things that I would be terrible explaining right now, like why he thought it was a probe and not a naturally occurring thing. So I learned some technical things about that. But the thing that I learned from him was that he kind of almost confirmed something that I suspected, which was that academia is very much like an ivory tower thing. He's like, so within the ivory tower, they'll talk about UFOs and stuff, but forget it as far as the public in fact they're going to say that's nonsense yeah or completely ignore it like completely and he's like that's

just scientifically i'm putting words in his mouth i would say it's scientifically disingenuous intellectually intellectually dishonest. It's a fraud, really. And it's a conspiracy. It's like, you know, they've been trying to make us feel a certain way for 50 years about marijuana, about mushrooms, hallucinogenics, right?

About UFOs. About now all of a sudden, they're like, oh yeah, you guys were right. And you're still messing with Edward Snowden. You're still messing with Assange. You're still, all these people are still sitting in jail for nonviolent drug offenses. It's like you criminalized these people.

And then you said, oh, look how criminal they are. It's like you made them criminal with the stroke of a pen. Like, you know. So, I i mean do you blame religion huh do you blame religion religion yeah just how it's like a two-state you know how i think we didn't believe in aliens they wanted to keep that hush because it kind of defeats the purpose of a god or Jesus. Oh, I think that's quite the contrary. In fact, the Pope said they're totally cool with aliens. Really? Absolutely.

I didn't know this. I thought they were hiding it because they didn't want all the religious people to get all like, there's no God anymore. There's fucking aliens, dude. I mean, you know, in ufo stuff that i've researched i've seen guys that were whistleblowers saying you know there's a lot of telepathic that's why i'm interested in it because apparently when they do meet these beings there's like telepathic communication which automatically gets you now you now you're bleeding into the religion column.

Oh my God. You know what I mean? Because it's a mystical, like science says, that doesn't happen. It's like, well, I guess it does, you know? But one of these guys said that they talked to this being about God and they're like, yeah, we're cool with God. Like we don't have that exact thing, but you know, other beings have things, they have that exact thing but you know other beings have thing they have a god thing of some kind and then maybe some don't do you think when you're talking to your soul or when your soul is talking to you do you think that's an alien communicating with you you know i really i have this uh new theory that which was the that's the thesis of the last season of Star Trek, which is that, you know, all of our religions are like cargo cults.

So, you know, what's the difference between angels and aliens? Or, you know, like if we went back in time, they would say that we miraculously healed somebody. Now, that's not to discount that we could actually miraculously heal each other right now. I'm not discounting that. But that's not because we're not necessarily part alien or whatever. It's all on the table. So my theory is, like, you know, what they were talking about, although I don't dig ancient aliens because, honestly, the premise of it I'm totally with.

It's the carnival thing. But dude's hair, I just can't get past. Yeah, you got it. I just can't. I can't tell a friend to watch it, like, because once dude's hair comes out, it just loses me, you know? You know what's funny? He's a big advocate of the jam scene, too.

He shows up. Cool, so now I'm going to have to apologize to him personally. This was good. God's dealing with me on judgment. That's fine. Exactly. I don't know his name, but I'm sorry, dude. Like, I just couldn't get past.

But the thing is, it's like, yeah yeah what if it's basically everybody's right yeah right the scientists you know science says i think reality is like this and it uses an equation and at the the right brain side the artistic side the says i think reality is like this, and it uses stories, or music, or dance, or painting, or mixed, to write Bibles, which is really just songs, poems, letters, parables. No different than a record. It's no different than Harry Potter for me. Like, you know, it's just much more ancient. And obviously Harry Potter and Star Trek and Star Wars draw on all that.

Just like Shakespeare drew on the Bible. Like atheists are like, love Shakespeare. I'm like, well, you know where he got all his shit from. You can't. I'm sorry, man. Like you can't. Spiritual truths are like you know yeah if you do this this is gonna happen don't say god's punishing you like did god punish you

when you stuck your hand to fire and i told you not to stick your hand to fire you're gonna get burnt yeah and then you do it and then now i did it to you yeah Yeah. Why do we always put the blame on everyone else but ourselves? That's what someone said, you know, and this argument comes a lot, like, how could God not be an asshole for letting all this bad stuff happen? And it's like, well, actually, it's us that lets all the bad stuff happen. Right? Right.

We know better. Without Bibles, we have a conscience. I think that's a gift from God. And if some people don't have it, I'm fascinated by that and would like to understand, did it erode away or do they just naturally not have it or what? But, I mean, most of us got it right like you feel guilty about shit yeah what have you ever felt guilty that you did something but you're just

it's totally yesterday what tell me about it what happened if i screamed at my son yeah or daughter or just anything you know i didn't pick up the litter that i saw or something you know like i can't we that's a big theme of our podcast the critic your inner critic yeah you suck you shouldn't have done that or you should have done this you left this undone it just non-stop just that i'm just like look man how do you turn it off otil my kids can turn it off for me and my wife can turn it off music can turn it off otl my kids can turn it off for me and my wife can turn it off music can turn it off um therapy can turn it off meditation can turn it off yeah uh but you can't use any of those things like sex can turn it off but like you can't use something to like just keep avoiding it like that's addiction right yeah you need to work through those things so to me it's like war like come on

you want to buy buy buy guess what kavi loves me nigel loves me my wife loves me yeah they're happy they're thriving so you know what blah blahah, blah, blah. Leave me alone. I'm trying to meditate. Does it work? Does it work? Yeah. You get better at it. The war, it's a muscle you got to build. It's like mental health is, you got to get old enough.

Well, some people are able to obey their conscience better than I was earlier. Same here, bro. It took me a long time. But you keep two plus two keeps equaling a bag of shit. You got to stop. So for me, I had to get older. And then I had to have enough to lose. I got a lot at stake.

I don't want to lose my wife, Jess. I don't want to lose my kids. I don't want to. So you get better. I still have the same, you know, Mike calls it. He says we're all dented cans. My podcast partner, Mike. And so you still have the same dents. But, youans, my podcast partner, Mike Figueroa.

And so you still have the same dents. But, you know, it's war, man. I'm doing it so that Nigel models seeing someone wrestling with it. And hopefully winning. I mean, fuck yeah, you're winning. Shout out to you, O2. You dealt with so much shit. I'm in a hotel room. I got my own soundboard in here.

I mean, you've had a hard couple years with death and stuff. I mean, I feel like you're winning too, buddy. It's been hard. People keep dying. Our old percussionist with ARU just passed away, Count and Butu. And it's just so yeah that stuff does make me really aware it increases your gratitude level just to be able to sit on the couch with the kids or tickle them yeah or you know time jess and i have with them just like family time which we got a lot of in the pandemic you know we had a lot of anxiety but a lot there's a lot of blessing on the other side so i say just keep on keeping on

man there's all kinds of ways to fight the critic and fight uh fear and anxiety and whatever you know yeah just you have to really look for it though i feel like the universe puts so much of it yeah it's like flowers uh anything birds just other people did you used to i used to be one of those hell is other people people and now i'm like a heaven is other people too because it's true yeah you know i mean you look at your wife you look at your kids those are all heaven right um just like peach fest yeah see that like me and security guards were taking pictures like i was like you know hugging catering people and just like you know like it It wasn't just the band people.

It was everybody that you realize you miss. This is your family, all the crew, everything. Yeah, and you realize they're dealing with the same hardship. This is probably the most you've been a dad every day. What a blessing, man. I know, bro. i know bro it's i mean i've won it but now oh my kids are dreading we got 42 dates or something you're about to go huh my kids are not into it because they have to start school oh shit and they can't come and they're used to being home for almost a year and a half and they're

not feeling it i mean nigel the other day he said i told my wife i wish daddy wasn't a musician i was like wow he never said that before how does that make you feel terrible and really sublimely good why that he loves me that much yeah that's beautiful like what do you do like you're in your head i mean like they don't know the other side that you've been working and mastering this thing you know and how do you like approach that conversation with your kid that this is my dream when you want them to follow their dreams you know we're not even there yet because he's he's just like whatever i want you to be home with me i miss you yeah you go to bed every night and you're not with me you know and um so i he's it's a it's a it's gonna be a little easier for him because he's been on the road.

Yeah. Before. Like two tours he's done with us where we had a bus. Yeah. And so he knows the whole routine from the airport to the bus, sound check, gig, catering, the after show. He can picture in his mind what daddy's doing when daddy's away kavi she's like why does dad just disappear it's almost like an abandonment thing oh so is she started getting resentful because of it no she just really misses me yeah

you know god that must feel so good abandonment's a real thing though so i i've you know you have to like try to make up for that on the other end because you know they'll have issues abandonment issues you know have you dealt with abandonment as a child i i haven't i didn't so i had to really work to figure out how did I get my addiction? But I didn't have abandonment. And I really feel for people that suffered with that because my dad's mom died when he was four years old. So he had a big abandonment, which is actually solves the problem because that's where I got it from. Because he had it you know yeah but even more hurtful than that to me are the people that i know whose moms and dads didn't die and abandoned them

while living in the same house that's the hardest real that's a messed up one man like yeah like how do you understand family you know when you deal with that it's hard man and that's something if you don't take it head on man it's gonna be it's gonna be a thorn or a hamstring your knees gonna go out you know figuratively like i it's always gonna cripple you to a certain extent. What about bands? Have you ever felt abandonment in bands? Oh, yeah.

But, you know, bands are like so. You know, I mean, I spent, I mean, musicians are like comedians, and I think it's an extreme with comedians. I don't know if you can be a good comedian if you're not like really really yeah you have to have been damaged heavily by your parents and or just society or something you know just to always be away yeah artists in general are just weird you know and then i've worked with these guys that are like, they were rock stars when they were teenagers. So many of them were addicted to heavy drugs. Yeah. Very young and famous.

Very young and famous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't. I used to be like, oh, man, everybody puts their pants on. No. No. You have to give guys a certain amount of. You can't imagine what it's like to be treated like a god yeah like

this gets back to the bible like idolatry why it's so bad yeah look what it did for jerry you know you want to say it's all what did idolatry do for jerry man you know and what has it done for the rest of the even that that didn't die that it didn't kill him but man it messed him up kurt cobain too man it messed him up you just can't imagine what it's like to have people treat you like that since you're a teenager yeah like it just you know or very young 20s like it just if it had thank god i never got famous i i don't think i'd have lived yeah why because you're when you have like 500 kids like yeah because you were saying you know you didn't really get into like hard drugs as much but you had a sex problem right

yeah that was my thing yeah same but that you know what i realized is like the big enabler for that was alcohol really about the gateway drug yeah let's talk about that because once i took that out man just like for one you're out of the environment so i'm not out at the club yeah right yeah and i'm not getting drunk yeah so and i hate clubs because i've been playing them since i was 15 i hate them yeah yeah so people have all this romantic stuff about the road and play i'm like man you know i could play at home i could play i could do a house gig here at the beach and be happy and never go on the road right come home to my kids every night drive them to school you know so it's just like but but getting out of that environment really

helped and the alcohol like if i was even in a situation like that i've talked to someone you realized yeah you're beautiful i don't want to wake up with you tomorrow morning having you know just went too far too fast like you know but if you're drunk if you're both drunk like you know it's just like come on so then you get a you put that you change that whole pattern the cycle and then after a while you could the farther uh the closer to shore you get and then you're back on shore and you like see how far out you swam you're like jesus dude yeah miles out to sea you know you think um having kids late in your life what saved your life versus if you like accidentally like pop one out while you're on the road

just saved my life yeah actually god saved my life and because i started to retune my spirit to another frequency that's when i met jess and she just finished the job saving my life dude really she and then now we have these two beautiful children and it's just like you know we have challenges and every it's not like you just sail off into the sunset it's really hard like the second kid is like having two more kids you know it just it feels like it you're just like whoa i knew it was going to be twice as hard but whoa and uh she's super fiery you know but like yeah i think um it definitely my my whole perspective has changed now and i think having kids later is a great thing i'll never forget when we were jess and i were talking about it i think i was 50 or right before turning 50 because we had Nigel at 50 so I was 40 something

right and I said um man we're talking about having a kid and I just wonder if it's like if I'm too old to really be doing this he goes I just adopted a one-year-old, and I'm 67. Get out of here. Shoot, child. Yeah. I was just like, okay, in one second. I was like, oh, all right. Yeah. And have it late, man. Get your career where you want it, where you can choose more.

You know what? I don't want to be on the road as much. I could say that before. Yeah. I could say it now and be like, you know what? After dead company, I don't have to do anything. Yeah at all. True So i'm cherry picking all those dates. Yeah and

I Thank you to have to I'm blessed with the luxury to be able to do that and I don't know for how long Like once dead company's over I don't know for how long. Like once Den Company's over, I don't know. I may have to really hustle. So right now I'm like, let's spend the money on this. Let's take the time. Give the time back to ourselves.

Like do it now while we can. I told my wife, you don't like that job? Quit it. Do your artwork. Because I don't know how long this is going to last. Get it, baby. While Dan Company's trucking. Yeah.

What's your take about death lately since getting older? I can see death being a real relief. Yeah. I really can. I think death is a huge grace. One of the biggest gifts of grace that we get from god is a rest because this here being trapped in the yin yang now you were we're in creative tension yeah this is our whole life that's why sleep is such a grace the little death you know yeah um

you get a break yeah yeah and i do believe in reincarnation yeah as well as the kind of the the judeo-christian model like i see all of it the dow i see all of it i do but i do believe in reincarnation do you think colonel bruce is reincarnated yet no i think he's taking a good break man i hope kofi and colonel bruce i hope all those guys are taking a good rest from this i think so too and and also bruce now bruce can be everywhere at once again not that he couldn't when he was in his, because he was special like that. But now, for real, he's unfettered. Yeah, so I'm sure he's working. I'm sure he's not just chilling. What did Bruce teach you about getting older?

And family and stuff. You know, Bruce had a really interesting situation, because he was abandoned. really interesting situation because he was abandoned. His mother, I think, had MS and was misdiagnosed. And I think they institutionalized her and his dad basically skipped off. So he was raised by Tuzi and this old black woman whose name I think was Liza May. And so he has a, I hung out with this, who he calls his brother's face and that actual biological family that raised him.

But I think they're really cousins and aunt and grandma and that. But when I met him, I was so young. I was like 24. And so I was just a young, super crazy kid. Watching him age was interesting. And I've watched ourselves age because now I look back at the age he was when I met him, which was in his 40s. And now I'm like 10 years older than that. And it's really weird to see that.

So he didn't really teach me about aging by like talking to me about aging and stuff, but watching the whole process and using him as a marker. I use my son now, which is trippy. I bet, dude. Yeah, because he changes faster than Bruce did. It's weird. I hug him. I'm like, oh my God, there's so much

more of you. It's insane, dude. But it's weird. And'm like, oh, my God, there's so much more of you. It's insane, dude. But it's weird. And then death, him dying and Kofi dying and everybody dying. And the dying just continues. It is a big teacher, especially juxtaposed with Kavi and Nigel. That's why we're such a lost culture being a youth worshiping culture. Because you don't get anything unless you're blessed and pure of heart.

Yeah. And not damaged too bad where you can get all this stuff young because clearly you can. Yeah. You know, I'm just not one of the, I was one of the stubborn ones. But now in my older years, I just, I wouldn't want to be young for all the tea in China, man. I know. And like, I wouldn't, I look at that too. Like if I'm, I go back to the festival, I go back to Peach Fest.

And I, you know, 10 years ago when I, if I was that excited to play a main stage or hang out with my friends for the first time, I'd be fucking partying. You know, just drinking drinking and i was really focused this time like i was just like i am eye on the prize you know it's like let's do this savoring you're savoring right yeah is that just is that just part of getting older oh too let's hope man because i see cats that get older and they don't. And I'm like, man, you're in your 70s and you still haven't got it yet? Is it just hopeless? Should I just give up? But you don't give up until the day.

Was Bruce like that, though? My sister told me this story the other day. I was like, I can't believe you didn't tell me this before. So we talk about all kinds of mystical stuff. I mean, she's a frigging medium. That's what she does. That's insane, dude. She quit working for Duke Energy.

Like, she's in the corporate world the whole time. What? Completely psychic, like Colonel Bruce, like my mom, just totally. And switched careers, you know. And she said, oh, I said, you're just working for the wrong energy company. Because now she does this thing, you know, and it's like, I forgot what I was even going to say. You said you were going to tell a story about your mom and your dad,

what they taught you about getting older, I think. Oh, what Leilani told me. So Leilani and I talk often about god dreaming into the future all kinds of mystical all things mystical right so my dad is mr not atheist he's too smart to be an atheist but he's so wounded by the church that he just can't believe yeah right and so my sister's watching something on tv with my mom i think it was dr wayne dyer and it's all about god now he's seen all this stuff happen for me in my life for leilani for adaro my mom's always been super

psychic and mystical yeah and he's he says something to leilani, clear, because he's getting worse with his dementia and stuff. But she said, you know, he was speaking very clearly, which whenever he does that, you're like, whoa. Like, sometimes he just pops through, you know? Yeah. And he said, well, you know, after all of what I've seen happen in your life and my kids' lives and to watch it happen, he's like, I couldn't deny God anymore. I just can't deny God anymore. And I was just like, what? But he sees, even at 90 years old.

even at 90 years old he's like oh i could look back over the long haul and see how this unfolded and how this unfolded and all this laid out and well damn ain't that something yeah that looks like it was orchestrated on my even my dad who's very logical yeah and that logic led him to believe like something mystical is happening i could see it do you think he's finally seeing death around the corner and he's trying to be accepted to it i don't no not he's not but the funny thing about i can't even be unhappy about my dad's alzheimer's because he's the happiest i've ever seen him really they play jazz records and he just like he just listened to jazz and he's super happy you know like he used to be you know he was like the angry justifiably so at the government society yeah the church you know now he's just like super happy and and i don't know whether that peace of mind able to him to or just maybe i don't know maybe it's just time plants bloom when they bloom maybe my mom been planting those seeds for 60 some years finally at 90s like whoa and the sucker finally sprouted. At 90, he's like, whoa, I get it.

I get it. It's like, you're good, man. You're funny, dude. You know what's funny about that? We eventually always learn the lessons, right? Hopefully we don't die before we do. That's the thing. The stakes are high. And that's why I kind of am not so scared to preach yeah you might die

yeah yeah what'd you learn about love in the last two years that it's the thing that can save you it's the one magic it's the it's the thing that makes me believe that all of it could be true. Every frigging letter of it, of every Bible could be totally true because love is a superpower. It's magic. It can raise you from the dead. Literally, I've seen it happen man before you love completely transform a hopeless case like that me yeah that's what i was gonna say your wife i bet your wife like what were you dealing with before you met your wife like were you a mess or what internally lost and the funny part is that's how I got found you know we come back to this conversation all the time I think it's good just so people if you

happen to be in my situation and so inclined you'll know that there is a different path. But it was the day that I finally said, I can't do it anymore. I lose. I tap. I give up. I wave the wife. And I wasn't physically in danger. I wasn't in a heroin addiction where a dude might die. My health was fine. My spiritual health and emotional health. And because of that, my mental health was in the toilet, man. It was worse than a toilet. It's got to be confusing, man,'re healthy and your brain you know and i that's the beauty of it like it was the end of confusion really

because it was the end and i didn't realize that once you're on the bottom you're on the bottom and if hopefully you're face up and not face down. So you have nowhere to go but up, right? And hopefully you'll look up. And so at that point, it's the timing. At that point, for some reason, because I was not raised in church, I was raised very hostile to it from my dad's side and hostile to church, but not God on my mom's side. And it's what she planted in me that took. Because for some reason, I reached out to God and I said, God, I don't know what you are, who you are, or which name is right, or which religion is right, or any of that shit. All I know is I'm done.

Like, I cannot do this anymore you know yeah and i need your help like i'm out of help i've tried the therapies i've tried this tried that and i keep failing and i'm good i know i'm gonna fail again there's no question were you thinking of like you know how this story goes you know were you thinking about suicide no i'm not suicidal that's the that's the crazy part is like and i was averse to really hard drugs i have a needle phobia so you know i couldn't have even done it that way i'm not going to eat myself to death that must be the most heartbreaking thing because you feel stuck because you're not going to kill yourself and you're not going to get better. You know what I said?

I said, well, people seem to be happy when I play music, so at least I'm having some positive side effect, and I'm not just a tumor on society. Yeah. You know? Man, that's got to be. Or like a psychic vampire, like an energy vampire on society yeah um but i just want to be able to get a good night's sleep i want to feel what it feels like to be at peace and people

say if you could learn to love yourself i was like what does that even mean yeah like you know little did i know it's like you know all these little things like you know i don't know just any little thing you could do for yourself i might give myself a haircut yeah just you know any little thing i'm gonna take that i'm gonna do i'm gonna work out today even though i don't feel like it i'm going to do it because overall I end up feeling better. You know, self-care, like it's obvious now. Duh. Yeah. Because you're in love.

I mean, like. But, you know, before when you're just like, and the road, you know how the road is. Yeah. So the road's a huge double life thing. Yeah. Right. So you just, you get into that cycle and then you're there and then it can just kill you yeah like if you don't like so having the home life helps you a be it you know so anyway when i reached out i literally heard a voice in my head and it said we're here for you

and i was like i was so desperate I didn't stop to wonder whether I was crazy or not. Was it aliens or was it God to you? I don't know. I mean, I think the best I can, if I was going to write my Bible, I would say that they're like the equivalent of, I think everybody has two or three like angels, for lack of a better word, kind of assigned to them. Yeah. But I think there's also ancestors there for you and friends that have passed on. But there's like a spiritual community that's all linked by love somehow to the creator that created all of us, just like we had children, you know? So that's the best that I could analogy I could give it.

But they talked to me and I said, why didn't you come before? They said, because you didn't ask the right way. Really? Yeah. Very matter of fact. Because see, it was my condition. I'm done. I can't do this anymore.

So what does that say? You finally gave up on your ego. Now you admitted that you don't know shit, that you can't do it yourself. So when you deflate the ego. And when I was desperate, right? Holy shit. And they said, ah, now it's like a key there's only one key that unlocks the door and that's defying the ego and you need help with it you can't do it by

yourself why do you see that's the thing you can't think your way out of it yeah how do you how why does it always take us to be rock bottom to deflate the ego why can't we just we're stubborn yeah the old testament calls that the israelites stiff-necked i love that term that's my stick neck stiff-necked people you know we're just definitely have kids you'll find out i'm like yeah i don't want knock on wood they're looking at you like what do you know dad like really i made you like yeah what do i know yeah is that the hardest part about about being dad is like when they question your intelligence no it's it's great every bit of it now i know how god feels oh word oh you think you're sad you think you're sad yeah what if you all these kids on

earth were yours and this is what they're doing despite the fact that you taught them you went out of your way time and time again in every language that they appear in yeah and look what they're doing yeah oh and now you're gonna blame me and that's something yeah we why do we always blame it we blame everyone else but ourselves it's insane why can't so it's like i have nigel i give him this planet, like this whole Garden of Eden, just like this wondrous thing. When he's on his deathbed, he'll be just comprehending even more

how beautiful it is. Like it will never cease to be a wonder to him. Right? And I put you in charge of all of it. And I tell you, look, man, you got to take care of this. And you got to take care of your sister. And this is how you got to take care of this and you got to take care of your sister and your end and this is how you got to relate to other people i just give you this unbelievable

gift and then you just shit all over it and you're killing you and then you blame god like how could you do this it's like man how could you do this yeah we're the ones doing it stop stop killing thou shalt not kill i don't say i didn't say it yeah when did you learn this philosophy always have you always had this philosophy too innately because we all have a conscience i, you know, of course, I felt guilty. So I know my conscience was intact. It beat me up. It wouldn't let me sleep. Right?

So fortunately, I had that. But all this other stuff I learned after hearing these voices and then studying theology from the other side. I studied it from my dad's side to try to find all of its contradictions and bullshit and to prove that it's bullshit. And they said, try reading it like, take your ego,

set it over here, adjust your vision, and just look. Read it and look with an open heart and an open mind and then see what you find then. And all it does is bring up thousands of questions, some of which I already had. So I still had those, and then I had all these new ones, and I happened to meet this amazing man,

Jim Barnett, who is a huge Allman Brothers fan, a white Southern Baptist preacher whose dad got blackballed by the Southern baptist convention back in the 60s because he stood up for and with martin luther king at the time and said hey this shit is wrong yeah and so they got he got death threats from the clan and all that stuff just like black people and that's the guy that i happened to meet jim barnett because he was an all my brothers fan who i would come to him with every question and be like, what about this, man? What about when God says to Joshua, I'm going to come in and clear out the land before you, and then you just go in and take it. And then the very next

line, he says, I want you to go into the land and I want you to kill all the men, women, all the animals, burn all the houses women, all the animals, burn all the houses down, burn the crops, like destroy everything. I was like, wait a minute. You said you were going to do it. And then this next nine, you told Joshua to go commit genocide. Like what? What gives?

Yeah. He never shrank from any question. What was the most important advice he gave you or that you always think about? Love. Really? I think that love, and this is why God is used as a parent in the metaphor, in the story, in the picture that's being drawn. Because when I look at Nigel and Kavi, I get it all, right? Like it's like, oh, of course.

What could Nigel do that I wouldn't forgive? This is what hung my dad up. He said, even if God is real, I don't deserve to be forgiven. And I said, but that's the whole point, Dad. That's what your son said to you? That's what my dad said to me. Oh, that's what your dad said. I'm like, damn, your son is really woke right now.

No, no, no. But my son has asked me some heavy questions. We could talk about that, too. Yeah, I'm down. And I said, well, Dad, that's the whole point. You know? And what could I do that you couldn't forgive me? Yeah. Right? So right so unfortunately he finally

got it at 90 yeah he sees it but it's such a beautiful it's just foolproof man it's foolproof when you look at how a good parent is with their children you will understand the bible yeah now there's some stuff that you're gonna to have to deal with, like God telling Joshua to commit genocide, but there's stuff, there's good answers to those questions, like how that happened. In fact, if you want to know, there's a great book called Who Wrote the Bible? The Jewish scholars found this amazing thing that there was four different writers of the Bible, and you can pull the stories apart, and they read unbroken. And one of them, God's really angry. And one of them, God is where we find the merciful God. And like the angry story doesn't even use the words mercy.

It doesn't even use the words forgiveness. So there's four different takes on god and then they were spliced together it's called who wrote the bible by richard elliott friedman yeah and these jewish scholars somehow figured this out it's an unbelievable detective story but then you realize oh that's how god said to do this here they call it doubling and so you can pull them apart and when you do this god's one says go in and kill everybody and this one says hey i'll take care of it with they'll drive them out with a storm or so or however is it kind of like telephone you know like no it's not the same because i think people people say that and that's definitely a deep

misunderstanding a deep misunderstanding of oral tradition. Especially the Hebrew one, specifically. Yeah, I bet. Yeah, no, these cats, like there's a, being obviously very general here, but, you know, there's elders that all know the story, and you got to tell that story correctly before you get to tell it yeah and be the one that tells it when they die you know and that's the talmud it's kind of there's some of that like the you even see it in the old and new testament

like some things from the jewish oral tradition make it in that are not in the uh the pentateuch you know the five books of moses so they just or the prophets or it's just oral stuff that's referenced that only scholars would have figured out because they read the talmud and know the mishnah and all that stuff you know well i got a question for you so like you know as a new dad and you know know we don't want to put yourself in quote-unquote God's shoes. When you're teaching this stuff, and if you're in God's shoes, and when people only want you when you're at the lowest, wouldn't you feel bummed out? But that's being a dad. That's but that's love dude love is patient like that

yeah love it's really that's when you find out what love is when you're like what would you sacrifice you you find out you would sacrifice a lot more for your child than anything. Like, you're like, I don't need that foot. Lose the foot. Yeah. Right? Whatever. Is he going to be okay? That's what will do it?

Yeah. You know, like, it's amazing. So, yeah. So why do people guilt trip us then when, like, you only call me when you want something? Because their love has not evolved as much you know just be like and and it is hard because we're not god yeah i know we're not long-suffering yeah yeah we can't take as much.

You know, I have a certain, a finite amount of energy I have to delegate for my wife and my children and my own internal sanity. My own spiritual health, my own emotional health, everything, right? Now, I need this much for debt and company. I need to do my job. I need this much for my family, mom, dad, sisters, nephews. So we only have so much. We're not God. But I try, and I feel guilty guilty and my critic beats me up and i let it beat me up sometimes yeah i should it should it should shame is good is useful

to the point where it makes you change yeah what does your critic beat you up the most throughout your life that you still are figuring out about you It's hard to get so deep at 11 a.m. Every little thing, you know. And mine's not as bad as some, you know. My old guitar player, he was in a 12-step program, and I loved how he characterized it. When his head was messing with me, he called it the committee meeting. He's like, the committee's fighting in here.

And I was like, man, I'm sorry. Oh, that's got to be hard. But it's cool because you can name your committee members. Oh, this is anxiety. Oh, this is... Me and Mike talk about giving them actual names. Frank's acting like an asshole today. Or a dick. You call him dick.

He's such a dick, man know so yeah mine but you know i get better at the more the better i do as a human the less shit they can talk to me and when they try to make me feel bad about stuff, or mine's pretty much one. I don't feel like mine's a committee. I feel like mine's just one really smart asshole that knows all my secrets. The only guy you're vulnerable with? I mean, it's like, but, you know, that's part of the beauty of it. Like, so this is a war. He has to lose. Yeah's my that's my life is that ego though no because i can only do that i can't do that by myself yeah oh so that's in a sense deflating ego

because you know that you can't do this by yourself i'm like you know i'm not gonna kick your ass on my own i'm like god's gonna kick your ass yeah and love from your wife and love from your kids and love from your bandmates everything that whole collectiveness is gonna whoop that voice's ass i just get lifted a little bit higher every day and then you know you look around and you're like holy shit am i on a mountaintop like i'm you know i you know i played gillette stadium i know what the fuck it's amazing seriously dude it's like crazy there's not i don't play him and it's ho-hum like i'm just like you know kreutzman i've told this story on my podcast. I was sitting with Kreutzman, and it was when we moved up to stadiums and for him moving back up into them.

And we had been playing for a couple of years, and I think we were at Citi Field or some stadium, and he's sitting there, and we're on stage looking at the crowd, and he goes, isn't this a – he said, I just can't believe this. Isn't this something? I'm like, dude, you've been playing stadiums since the 70s. He's like, I know. I still can't believe it.

It's just like, oh, my God, that is winning right there, dude. He's just like, can you believe this? Explain the winning idea. Is it because everything, when we stop thinking about our past and we just live in the moment now and we just enjoy the beauty of the moment, is that winning? Yeah, he's so grateful. Yeah. He's like, he's so grateful.

He's like, I can't barely believe this. Holy shit. Like, wow. You know, I just, that is the wonder, you know, of life. the wonder you know of life like it's so sad that we could get so dulled out that we miss the wonder just all around us man yeah we're zooming right now i know isn't that amazing you know like in different states i'm sitting here talking about like that i'm like god nobody's gonna want to hear this podcast like i just went off the cliff of you know every time we go to every time we talk it's just this where where it goes oteel this is where i go man i'm like you know people are still dying you know

the most beautiful thing about this pandemic the two people I know that I was the two most worried about got sober. Who? Of their own free will. I don't even want to put them on front street. All right, cool. But I'm glad they did. Let's clap for those two. Let's go.

Yeah. What made them realize that they needed to do that? The inner voice? I don't know if they would attribute it to God, but I know it's a miracle because I've seen it not go that way. Yeah. Yeah, the inner voice.

Yeah. Yeah. Whatever that part of us, this is why you can't just go with science. Scientific materialism, that brand of science okay not all science but the science that says there's only the material part because our conscience can't be quantified yet so if i have to throw it out because i can't quantify it the whole world's going to

hell in a handbasket yeah because our conscience is the only thing saving this planet man that that the majority of us still seem to have it yeah even if we're tricked into grieving it and acting against it and tearing it and and putting bullet holes in it yeah wounding it but we still have it and i think that is the part where it says God created man like us. Yeah. Right. And we should ask who us is while we're at that since God's supposed to be singular. Yeah. But it says we made Adam, we made Adam like us.

Genesis 1 26. Yeah. we made adam like us genesis 126 yeah right so that's part where we are god it's that little voice is attached it's part of god so in a way it is god like in a way nigel is me he's not me but his half his dna is mine yeah you I mean? That's why I say the parent thing just makes it, there's a spiritual logic. Yeah. What about the we? You said when you're on your falling, and you're down, and you're looking up,

and this is the lowest you've been, you said a bunch of people talk to you inside. It was three. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So the idea of we is correct. Well, yeah. a bunch of people talked to you inside it was three yeah that's what i'm saying so like the idea of we is correct because well yeah i just think you know the who three what three what three give me these three voices were they do they have different personalities like what oh yeah because one sounded like a gay guy really the one that was... I mean, I can't say, you know,

because we're not dealing with sexuality here. Maybe gender. Yeah. But it sounded like an effeminate man to me. And maybe this is all in my head, but it was a woman, and one sounded like an effeminate man, and then there's another one that I can't remember

whether it was man or woman or just neutral when i committed when i didn't commit when i was like talking about committing suicide when when i was 19 and i quit school and didn't really have a lot of friends i remember driving back to my hometown in calabasas or whatever and just crying and all a sudden, I woke up from the car. And all of a sudden, this low voice talked to me and said, what's going on, man? Everything good? Like, he finally gave me the time. I'm like, whoa.

And I talked to him for like an hour and a half in my car. I parked my car. And from that conversation, I became a musician. i went on the road and i've had this path ever fucking since that's why it's such a trip when you're fucking down like this like i had that same experience like i was like you're at the bottom and like i don't know what to do i'm not i'm i'm i'm too i'm too pussy to fucking kill myself and I'm too stubborn to talk to anyone like therapy. I'm, and all of a sudden this fucking inner voice was like,

Hey man, it's all good. Isn't that crazy? How that shit happens. It did a, it did a miracle for you, right? It saved my life.

It saved my life. It just like, it trusted me. You're like, I'm not really a God dude as you are. And I'm listening, hearing you are and i'm listening hearing your stories and i'm like whatever it is whatever that's what i'm saying i'm whatever it is saying i could see like and whatever it is like i'm okay with the word god

yeah i mean boy i would love a new word yeah i sometimes i use oladumari because i found out i was nigerian and that's what the Nigerians call God. Do people stereotype you? Whatever, the creator. When you talk about God, like that inner... I can't be responsible. Yeah, you're right. I know. But I want to reach the God believers too and the people that don't get God because I think everybody's

misunderstanding God. Because if you, to me, and this is just my opinion, but love is the thing that is the top. God is the highest good. So what's the highest? Let's just say there's no God. What's the highest good as a human?

Love. Yeah. And that's the same thing. It's the same philosophy. For me? For me too. I could see it in the Tao. I could see it in the Bhagavad Gita. I could see it in the Tao. I could see it in the Bhagavad Gita.

I could see it in the Quran. I could see it in the Tanakh. I could see it everywhere. Yeah. I could see the same, you know, you're going to reap as you sow or karma or however you do this, that's going to happen. It's everywhere. Yeah. Do the right thing.

But what about when you can't? Yeah. What about when you can't? Yeah, exactly. What's science going to do for you then? Yeah. What about when you can't? What about when you've been wounded?

You don't even know where the wound is. So a lot of it for me was searching for the wound. Where did I get this wound? Oh, my dad's abandonment. Oh, he was wounded. I modeled him. He didn't even know. You didn't even know.

And I helped him put it together in his 70s. And from that, you put it together for yourself, right? Holy shit. When I finally found it so just the search you know but the need to search that's something that's given to you by whatever this thing is by love by love wow okay so let's let's you know so that's what i want that's whatever my urge to preach is it's that because the fact that that happened to you and a similar thing, it wasn't voices, but it was a light, but it was at the bottom. And it happened for my podcast partner, Mike Fennoya, which is why we started our podcast.

That what happened to you happened to my sister Adaro before me, then me, then it happened to my sister Leilani. We thought for sure it was gonna happen to Kofi it didn't I said mom when it happened to me I called my mom I said mom this happened to me as this ever happened to you yes when I was 12 years old when it started for me everyone in my family we knew I said Kofi's next and then dad's gonna going to have no place to go. Yeah. How can you watch all that happen for your whole family? Yeah.

And then Kofi didn't make it. Yeah. And my dad did at 90. What? That's the thing. When you're thinking one person is going to do it. Is it expectations? Or knowing the man who he is? Like, oh, Kofi's going to get through this.

I expect it to. Yeah, I guess wrong. I don't know. I'm not God. I can't see the future like Colonel Bruce. Was that the hardest death for you, man? Kofi's? Yeah. Because i remember when that just happened we interviewed each other and you were reading books about and like did you get to

mourn you know when it happened for me man it happened for me really recently i remember i just started crying like i would be crying five times a day. It's right when we did those gigs in Miami. So I want to say like November, December last year. And I was just crying like five times a day. And I also started working on Morning Dew, this tune I was super scared to sing like garcia and hunter and that i i was like oh this is kofi coming out i get it i mean it's a

lot of the all the other deaths too and ones that were happening during the pandemic but i was like oh here comes kofi here it comes and so I just let it out and I was at we have a really nice upright piano and so I'm playing Morning Dew and singing it and just letting it letting it all come out man and that's when it happened and it was really

something and it's still happening. Was anyone with you when you were there? Was your wife there? My wife and kids were. You're crying your ass off. She's heard me working on a lot of stuff. And she said, man, she's like, I feel that over to you. I was like, good, because I'm really scared about this song.

But it's one of those songs that there's nothing to it. It's just you have to be able. Have you gone through enough in life to it it's just you have to be able have you gone through enough in life to deliver it man it just puts you right on front street it's like okay you're just just rip all your clothes off you know thank god colonel bruce taught me to like get naked on stage oh my god i mean and like looking back at it too isn't it crazy to think about some people can't even get that vulnerable and they're 90 like you that's why i say like it these conversations matter you know like i really i'm so glad to

be able to have this with you i'm so glad you told me this because it's going to forever change when i see you because i want to ask you something like when you had this voice talk to you and mine was about a half hour so you got like an hour and a half dude i got it okay i got i got i got in with him dude i got like what's up I did. I did. I'm like, what's up, dude? Were you able to then at some point look back and realize, oh, this is when they were trying to help me back then? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, this is what you, so you had that.

Yeah. I'm convinced it's aliens. Well, is it all semantics? It's all the same yeah i agree no but i'm just saying like my you know what my alien thesis is no i don't they are related to us or we're related to them like i don't know why but they came down here and took some homo sapiens and mixed some dna and do you think everyone has that alien dna or some people do yeah sick i think so sick i think so i love that i think we're an experiment so there are parents in a way which is why they came down over all the nuclear bases and turned off our nukes to show us like hey you're you're about to burn the house down yeah so they just turn the oven off and be like yeah they put them

in just to show us that we're not top dog right or else they haven't enslaved us we're not being used for food yeah yeah so maybe it is the aliens. It's like that zoo experiment. What is that? What's that theory about like we're just a zoo? Like a zoo experiment? I think we're, I think that we're more, I think they're more invested in us than that. We don't give a shit about the animals in the zoo. Yeah, that's true.

That's true. They give a shit about they're like keeping us from killing ourselves yeah they're sweet from nuking the whole planet although it might nuking might mess with things dimensionally i don't know we're messing with stuff that we shouldn't you know be massive we're not spiritually mature enough to eat the fruit of that tree of knowledge yeah yeah um do you think in our generation it'll happen, or do you think in your kids' generation? That we're going to see the ships and the aliens?

Yeah, they're coming. I think we're going to see the ship. I don't know if they're going to show us the being, but I think they're fixing to show us the ship, or a ship, because obviously there's many different kinds. Yeah, like yo-yo chill. And I got to say, say man i've had some dreams where and they're not the dream into the future dreams but they definitely were and they involved colonel bruce too and seeing the ships and so i seriously like i'll

be driving and i'll look up and i'm like i bet bet it's going to happen. I bet we're all going to be like, what are you going to say about that shit? Mr. Neil deGrasse Tyson. Yeah. What are you saying now? Yeah, it's crazy. Mr. Blah, blah, blah. I don't want to hear your shit anymore.

Yeah. You know, like, because I think we're going to see it, man. I had John Greenwald on our podcast. He's one of my top three UFO researchers. Uh-huh. Because I think we're going to see it, man. I had John Greenwald on our podcast. He's one of my top three UFO researchers. I could not believe we got him on. That one's coming out soon.

I can't wait. Right after the UAP report dropped. It was just like perfect timing. I was like, yeah. Oteel, I'm so thankful you're doing the podcast. I really hope you keep doing it through all the touring and stuff. You promise me? Because you have so much knowledge. And I want to have you on too, man.

Sorry that we haven't had you on already. But I really want to talk. We're just getting to know each other. We've only hung out twice, bro. I want to talk about the mystical stuff that happens to you because i think this stuff happens to everybody and we're it we're the critic makes us doubt it we're taught to poo-poo it by society by the propaganda just like they did with weed and mushrooms and fucking aliens right and so i would just, you know,

I want to hear about the mystical stuff that happens to you. I got you. It's cause it helps other people realize that they're not crazy. And also that when it's not, if it's not telling you negative stuff. Yeah. You should probably trust it. Yeah. That's what I was saying too.

Like, you know, it's like it was a different voice than the critics. It was soft. It was patient. It's like it's been there. It's like a therapist for the galaxy. It's like, yo, yo, yo, chill, chill, chill.

Everything good? Everything fine? You good? You good? You good? Interesting. That's so interesting. It's fascinating.

Whoa, Teal. I could talk to you for fucking hours i know you got to go fucking be with your kids be with your kids you're about to go on tour for fucking 40 dates go do your thing i just want to say i love you i've always been here for you always and i love talking to you and because it's a peach fest we didn't even talk anything about peach fest but whatever give me one of your favorite moments of peach fest going you know i mean you've been you've been doing these forever yeah i mean you know the allman brothers started that festival and and it was it's real easy moment man when all those guys were on stage together barry oakley jr lamar williams jr duane betts devin allman the sons of all those allman brothers on stage playing revival yeah as the encore people can you feel it revival love is in the air oh that's so heavy just like i was just like were you because

i just looked at your photos and like you know i'm homies with duane and devin and just to see you up there with everyone it had to feel like that was got to be emotional man after two years of being in the house and not know that's heavy and and how many of them are gone, you know? And just like, and seeing their sons out there on the road doing it. Yeah. And it just kills me. Melody Trucks was in the audience and I didn't know she was there. I was like, I wish you had texted me and let me know you were there. Cause I would have had one of Butch Trucks' kids up there too, you know?

I was like, I would have had you up. I didn't know you were here. God, you're such a good fucking dude next time yeah until next time otil thanks for being on the show i love you buddy and you know you got a friend of me whenever and i'm rooting for you i might call you about getting you on the podcast because we're gonna go let's go to the alien give it to me mystical stuff that happens because that's that's our jam dude dude. Dude, I'm pumped up. And I'm pumped up that you're with Mike because having a comedian's mind state on life,

we are very simpatico musicians and comedians, but they deal with a lot more loneliness. And they understand loneliness a little more than we do because we're always with a band of people. Yeah. So shout out to Mike. I like Mike. Let's go, Mike. Let's go, big dog. Keep rocking in the world, dog.

Shout out, Comes the Time podcast. Yeah, dude. Go listen to Oteel talk. I mean, I love it. I think you're one of, you know, this is bound to happen, you having a platform like this. And I'm just so thankful

that you're in a community like, with all of us who fucking support the hell out of you, buddy. So keep rocking. Thank you. Hopefully, hopefully no one will like try to cancel me cause I said something bad or they got pissed off or go dig it into my deep dark past.

That's why I talk about it. That's why that's exactly. That's why I talk about all my sex addiction and all my drug addiction. I'm like, dude, I put it all out there. I'm not hiding anything. You can accept me for the person I've changed to or not. That's right. People can change.

They can. It's fucking hard sometimes. I don't know if you can do it all by – I wasn't able to do it all by myself, but, you know, it takes a village, man. Well, I'm so happy you found love and I'm so happy you mourned. And I'm so happy. I'm just, I love, I love that I'm, you know, in this, I know, microscopic part of your life, but, you know, I'm here for you. No, you're a big part, man.

You don't realize, like, it's funny, you know, I could tell when, let's say not God, let's say when love is involved in something or behind something, because what requires very little effort from you has these huge ripple effects and benefit. Like we're just doing, we're just talking. We're talking like homies. Yeah, but somebody hears this and who knows it might save a life yeah like you know and that's priceless yeah so it's it's it's it's important to just go ahead and really speak these things out and i'm really grateful that you do talk about it man i really am i feel it's super important doesn't it feel like we're going through like a reckoning right now just across the board yeah like people either

getting sober or dying like they're you know yeah like you've got to deal with your shit yeah is that just because we're getting older no it's macro and micro you think so those george those george floyd protests were global oh yeah you're right like enough of this shit like every everybody's able to like slow down enough to like deal and be forced to deal with stuff you know and so that's when you if you're really like the people i know that died because they couldn't deal with being confined it's because they didn't turn to that spiritual part and that spiritual part is the part that we're talking about that's like yeah if you want to deal with this you got to deal with that yeah yeah like this just well it's like the same

idea of like when you're like we're talking about that voice talking to you when you're fucking low i mean i think like p i really do think this is gonna be like a renaissance if it's aliens coming the ship comes or just this whole awareness is is it's happening dude it is i mean you're totally right podcast our most popular podcast were when we had paul stamets and bob weir on talking about mushrooms and duncan trussell yeah talking about this stuff yeah i was like what really that's what i want to do anyway i mean i have us listed as a music podcast but i want to talk about this stuff man because during the reckoning like it's a lot of people ain't gonna make it yeah a lot of people ain't gonna make it man i'm trying to help people make it through it's a wonderful life i couldn't

say that before i didn't believe it i believed it for other people but i was like but not for me yeah no man not so there is hope love is proof of that hope you know well keep fighting the good fight big daddy

I'll be there right there with you doing the same thing I love you bud bless you brother bless you too bro thanks for being on the show Oteel

I really appreciate it love you bud you too man now a message from the UN. The city will wink simply beside Hear her voice, shake my window The sweet seducing sighs Get me out into the night time

The bombs won't hold me tonight If this town is just an apple, then let it take a bite If they say why, why, tell them that it's human nature? Why, why does it do me that way? If they say why, why tell them that it's human nature? Why, why does it do me that way? That way Oh Oh Oh Oh

Oh Oh And there you have it. Unbelievable. Damn. That was podcast trifecta right there. You got Krasno. We were talking in deep with Krasno and then Oteel just bringing it home. Shout out to both y'all.

Podcast fans. Trifecta. That is it. That is an orgy of musical podcasts all in one episode. Thanks for being on the show. It's a long one, so I'll keep it short. Keep going.

Whatever weird task you have, whatever weird fucking goal you have, keep going. Do it. Get after it. Trust yourself that whatever, you know, we talk about this, Oteel, that little voice inside. Call God. I call it aliens, whatever. Call it your inner self. Trust yourself. Let's fucking go. Come on. Get yourself in there. Trust yourself, baby.

You know what time it is? You're powerful. Do I need to play the music? You're fucking powerful, you're strong You're focused Even if you got a weird dream, maybe You partied your ass off At Pete's Fest And the Sunday Scaries are kicking in Whatever it is Just know That it's dopamine

Drank a bunch, had a bunch of sex Whatever you did that lowered your dopamine level And you're sad now, just know that it's going to wear off. Drink water, take care of yourself and trust yourself when your path, when your heart tells you, hey, you're not on the right path. Listen to that too. We got to stay in this. Eye on the prize. Eye on the motherfucking prize. Okay. Um, Repsy. I haven't talked about Repsy yet because I got really into it with Krasnow and stuff.

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They let me do whatever I want. And for that, I thank you. And I really believe in this because when I was 19, booking my band every day, waking up at 8 o'clock in the morning because I know the only time buyers answer the calls is right when they pick up, right when they get to the office, when they're all jacked up and haven't looked at their emails. And once they look at their emails with 200 other people trying to get that same gig, so I'd wake up hella fucking early. So I'd get the first guy, Hey, Johnny from Kansas. Yo, it's Drew Mitchell.

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We got a new single coming out next week with Doom Flamingo. I wrote this song with Susto and Doom Flamingo. I'm really excited to show it to you. We've been playing at the festivals. I got a music video I directed with Chad Zelmer. Shout out to Chad. I'm working hard, dude. I'm working on 20,000 projects and I'm directing this film. It's like a short film. We made a short, I don't know why my fucking, this might as well just keep creating shit because I don't know what's happening to me right now,

but I am like an open vessel and I'm just, I'm really proud of what I'm creating. And I'm, I think you're going to love this music video. Um, I won't, I won't, I will surprise you,

but I won't tell you more about it. So that's coming out next week. So you'll hear some more stuff from the band. This week, though, tomorrow, if you're listening to this podcast on Tuesday, I am playing in Colorado all weekend. The 14th, Avon, Colorado. The 15th, Ridgeway, Colorado.

The 16th, Dillon, Colorado at the Dillon Amphitheater, which I just saw Lettuce played there, and the venue looks beautiful. It's a free show, so why not as well go out if you're in the Colorado area. Then the 17th, we are the String Cheese After Party. The Relics Dance Party's back, baby. Me and Sleepy, let's go.

What's up, Sleepy? What's up, Big Daddy? I'm coming back. Coming back to Denver. Haven't been back in a month and a half. It's been nice to hang out with the gang. Go hug Wookie. I love Wookie.

He's a dog. Man, I love dogs I don't know that's like my weakness Dogs But that's it I love you Next week we got Jay Blakesburg And Neil Francis Up and coming keyboard player

Writing great songs he's gonna be my co-host But Jay Blakesburg Lived this insane life If you don't know who Jay Blakesburg is Jay was the photographer For the Grateful Dead Ever since he was like 25 Live this insane life. You know if you have if you don't know who Jay Blakes-Burton is Jay was the photographer for the Grateful Dead ever since he was like 25 Then he became the head of Rolling Stone magazine photographer. Just he's just got crazy stories. So you're gonna love that interview. I'm always I Hear his stories. I'm just still in awe, you know, I watch his slide shows at the festivals and just hearing the stories, it's just like,

damn, this motherfucker used to sell acid to make money to go see a fucking band. Shout out to Jay. Let's go. You'll love that interview. I got a bunch of good ones for you. And then I took Mushrooms with Todd Glass again while I was in LA. I'll post that the week I have a week off. So it'll be like a half episode, but you know what time it is. I love Todd. I haven't talked to him in a year and a half. Fuck, I haven't talked to Todd in a year and a half. And it was good.

I love Todd. All right, guys, that's it. It's a long episode. I know I'm sorry if it's a two-hour episode. I feel like Joe Rogan up this motherfucker. But I know I have one more episode, installment of the Peach Fest episodes. But thank you so much. I can't thank you enough.

And all the fans. We had like 1,000-plus people on the social medias just from the Peach Fest. And the tickets are fucking blown out of control in the fall. Thank you. So if you haven't bought your fall tickets yet, you better go grab them. They're about to be sold out. So get out there. Thanks for supporting me.

Like I said before in the beginning of this, trust yourself. If you don't trust yourself, no one else is going to trust you. It's like the same thing. If you don't love yourself, no one else is going to love you. Start loving yourself.

Start trusting that you can fucking do this. You're fucking powerful. Okay? Music, you're fucking powerful. I love you. All right. Have a great day. Have a great week.

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