Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 144: Melissa Etheridge

Episode Date: October 12, 2021

Andy and Nick contemplate life, death & the merits of non-theism. Is there just One consciousness shared amongst all living things, like some kind of Socialist Energizer Bunny? Or perhaps we're here to simply help out some rescue dogs and eat mushrooms... But wait! On the Interview Hour, we welcome Melissa Etheridge! We're not worthy. Stay tuned till the end for a very special edition of some spirited (read: DRUNK) sports yelling with our brother-in-Jazz, Dolav. This is EP 144. Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Friends (A Song About Friends)" on iTunes, Spotify  Get hip to the Etheridge Nation: melissaetheridge.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Brian Schwartz Nick Gerlach The U.N. Sports with Phillis Dolav Cohen Arno Bakker

Brasco thanks for the free tickets to the Ogden on Saturday I barely know you and I think it's fucking sick that when I ask for free tickets on Instagram you just put my name on the list no problem you're a legend bro, great show

hey Schwartz you know we sold a great amount of tickets and it's a win especially in the Delta indoors. That said, when I was talking to Bo, I learned that you had 150 guests, and I had to bite my tongue all night long not to ruin your vibe, but that's completely and wholly unacceptable. You know, hometown show, you want to have 50 guests, that's fine,

or 51 if your mom comes. But 150 guests for a 1,600-cap room is absolutely unacceptable. And it's just like you'll ask me, how are we doing, how are we doing, how are the counts, how are the counts, and the counts would be fucking better if you weren't giving the tickets away. So, please, Andy, there's just certain things. It's a business and we need to earn income and you need income. Giving away tickets means you're not getting income. So I don't really understand the thinking, but in the future, please stick to the allotted comp ticket capacity

and not go over it unless it's for a really good reason, like your mom wants to come. I'm serious. 150 tickets? That's ridiculous. Why don't you just go out and hand them out in the park? And we're back.

Andy Frasco's World's Favorite Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. Hey. And I'm with Nick Gerlach. I'm also Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. Hey. And I'm with Nick Gerlach. I'm also Andy Frasco. I should just say, Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast featuring Nick Gerlach. Did you know that was my nickname for a while when I first moved to Denver? Really?

Yeah, because it's actually from the floozies. And then it turned into Young Feach or Feach. Because when I first moved here, it's kind of still like that. But the only thing I ever did was sit in with bands that already... And so it'd be like, blah, blah, blah, featuring Nick Gerlach on the poster. So I was like, it sounded like a rapper kind of. We got a big show tonight. Melissa Etheridge.

Anyway. What? My nickname became Featuring Nick Gerlach. It started with the floozies. Oh, I'm sorry that I didn't give you enough attention before I talked about it. Jesus fucking Christ. Melissa Etheridge is on the show today. Are you saying that she's more famous than me? Yes, I'm sorry that I didn't give you enough attention before I talked about it. Jesus fucking Christ. Melissa Etheridge is on the show today. Are you saying that she's more famous than me?

Yes, I'm saying that. She is. How you doing, Nick? Great, actually. How was your time off from the band? Oh, good. It's fine. What'd you do?

Last week, I did a lot of watching television. I played a lot of PlayStation. I started talking about that Squid Game last week. You like it? I've watched two episodes. I do like it, yeah. It's talking about that Squid Game last week. You like it? I've watched two episodes. I do like it, yeah. It's very heavy. That's what I like.

I like the concept. Some people say it's like preparing us for something. No, I think it's just a TV show, people. God, everything isn't some... Let's go. Everything isn't some weird mystery. Why does everyone... Because they're bored.

I know. First of all, almost every conspiracy theory is wrong, okay? Here's why. Because it's math, okay? Have you ever met a human being in your life?

Yeah. Okay. Have you ever met one that can shut the fuck up about anything? No. And here's the thing. These government conspiracies

require hundreds of people to pull off. You really think they can keep 400 people from keeping a secret to keep a secret? It just sucks out there. It has nothing to do. It's not a conspiracy. It's not a mystery.

It's not an 80s action movie. It's just boring and bad shit happens sometimes. Wow, you are on fire today, baby. Well, just a thought I've been having. What about talking about cult leaders? What if conspiracy, that's one of your blog segments for your website? That is a cult, isn't it? Maybe I'll do that one this week.

I might do it when I get home today. I just want to share links to my weird cult blog. Oh, did you love having a day off of social media? Yeah, I actually didn't notice until people told me I was like five hours in. I don't, I guess I haven't been getting enough. Bullshit, you're always. I didn't. You're always on Instagram. It seems like I'm in. I don't, I guess I haven't been getting enough. Bullshit. I didn't. You're always on Instagram. It seems like I'm on Facebook and Instagram more than I am.

I'm just so interesting that when I post, everyone sees and remembers it. And because everything I say is so valuable and hilarious. And that's the problem. It's hard being this interesting and intelligent. Oh, man. Okay, so far we've talked about me a lot today. No, I feel like you're popping now.

I'm doing great. I've been doing great for a while now. You like my new tattoo? It's fine. It's the flowers and mushrooms. Oh, it's mushrooms. It's the Laker colored flowers. Who drew that?

My buddy Nick, or my buddy Chris. It's cool. I mean, it's better than a lot of your other tattoos. What's your take on tattoos? I'm fine with them. I don't have any, but I mean, I don't. Did you get a tattoo? Sure.

I don't know. I've never thought about it. No? I'm not against them. Are you? My girlfriend has a few, five or six. Really? Yeah.

Are they hot? Yeah, they're on her. She's hot. How is she doing? How is she doing with the dog dying? Yeah, every day gets a little better, but it's tough, you know? But this is your first week with her. She's a dog person, you know?

It's her life. So why don't you just get a new dog? We have another dog. We have Kino. That dog's old as fuck, too. Yeah, but don't... Because you don't just replace your dog a week later. It's not a goddamn Mazda Miata.

Why not? I don't know. I can't explain this to you. It's because. I'm sure at some point... I need to learn feelings. Well, she volunteers at this shelter. That's where we got our other dog, Kino. You met Kino. She picked you up from the airport one time, remember? Oh, yeah, love. She's because I'm sure at some point. I need to learn. She volunteers at this shelter. That's where we got our other dog, Keno.

You met Keno. She picked you up from the airport one time, remember? I love that. She's a bad bitch. She's awesome. We got her at a shelter. Julie volunteers like 30 hours a week at this place called Max Fund. Yeah. Great no-kill shelter here in Denver. Oh, good. Your girlfriend is the shit. Yeah, let's talk about Max Fund.

What is it? It's where you can go adopt a dog. No-kill shelter. They have great dogs. We got Kino there. She fell in love with Kino. Do you get older dogs? They have older dogs. They have younger dogs. They have some dogs that need a little help being socialized. Some of them are like... They get dogs from Mexico.

They're street dogs. They get all... A lot of their dogs are from Texas, I think. Anyway, Julie goes there every day. Well, not every day, but four or five days a week and walks dogs after work that's where we got Kino why like she just loved walking Kino do you want to hear the crazy story of how Kino ended up with us it's really sad actually yeah so Kino um was someone's dog here this guy he actually owned a furniture store in the west side of town like a used furniture. So I think she was like one of those cool store dogs that hangs out in the store all day, which is very cool,

which makes sense with how she is. So he died of cancer, apparently. That sucks, right? Yeah. She had a brother dog, Makita, who was a little bigger than her and a little older. They went to the shelter, and when you go to the shelter with another dog,

they keep you guys together in a kennel. Because you have to be alone for a few days before you go out into kennel. Yeah. Because you don't, you have to be like alone for a few days before you go out into the general population to make sure you don't have whatever. Anyway, her brother dog died in the kennel with her

like their third day there. Holy shit. Overnight, when no one was there and the person came in, everyone's like, holy shit, you know. So,

Keena was just sitting there with her dead dog brother after her owner died. So, tough times, you know? How do you know it was dead? Okay, well, she saw the dead body. It's a different thing.

I saw a dead body on the plane. You don't know that that person was dead. You don't know if that dog was dead. Yes, they know when the dog's dead. What are you talking about? This is not the same thing. He wasn't whisked away by doctors, never to be seen again. Jesus fucking Christ.

Anyway, Julie came in that day, as she always does, saw Kino sitting there with her sweet little look on her face, knowing she had a tragic day, brought her home to foster for the night. That's where you just watch them. Can you tell when a dog's having a tragic day? I don't know. I think not as much as a person,

but they definitely have ups and downs. Anyway, so Julie brought her home so she could stay with us for a night or two just because she had her, but never went back. Really? Yeah, and she's just been her dog ever since. She was great. She just assimilated right in.

She's very chill. I just think about trauma because Melissa Etheridge, her son died. That's terrible. Yeah, opioids. It's horrible. I just wonder i just like how do people deal with death how do people deal with death yeah i don't know have you dealt with a lot of death in your life honestly not really i'm not a ton i haven't i've had like my grandparents

have died which i'm not trying to brush that off but it's not the same as like yeah of a parent or sibling or something or a son. Because I saw you when, I saw you the first day and you were really hurt. And I know you were holding your feelings when your dog died. Yeah, a little. And you were kind of like. Well, there's like a lot of people around.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. I don't know. You don't like, is it hard for you to express your feelings when. I just don't really get anything out of it. No?

What do you mean? You can't cry? It's good to cry. I don't. Yeah, but I don't think get anything out of it. No? What do you mean? You can't cry? It's good to cry. I don't... Yeah, but I don't think crying in front of people is any better than crying alone. Yeah, I agree. Do you? I don't cry.

I can't cry in front of people. It's just easier for me to process things on my own. I'm pretty good at it. I'm really good at processing my emotions. So what did you learn about death from your dead dog? Jesus Christ. I didn't learn anything, really. I mean, there's nothing to learn. It's just a fact of life, you know? Yeah. He had a killing life, though. I mean, there's nothing to learn.

It's just a fact of life, you know? He had a killing life, though. I mean, he did more stuff than some people I know. He traveled, he flew, he went to San Francisco. Really? Yeah. Julie took him everywhere for like 10 years. Then he got too old to go do stuff.

That's the only downfall of having a dog. They die in like seven years. It's like, fuck. Yeah, 15 for him. Sad. Dude, it's bullshit. It's kind of how me and my friend Kit were talking about this. It's kind of how I know there's no God.

What do you mean? Well, if there was a God, dogs wouldn't live an eighth as long as humans. They're much better than we are. Are you an atheist? I don't know. I'm definitely not. I don't call myself an atheist because to me, that's just another religion. I'm not just out.

I'm out of the game. You're out. I was listening to actually a Kevin Nealon podcast. He was on that Andrew Santino pod and they were, I think it was those two that were talking about it,

about consciousness. And he was saying that consciousness is all in his opinion, but it's kind of a, I like kind of agree. There's only one consciousness and we all share it, right? And you're just running it

while you're alive. And when you die, it turns off. I don't know if he meant that in a religious way, but I think that could apply if you don't believe in God. Like a battery running out? Yeah, but we're all on the same battery sharing it and our use of it is gone, you know? Well, that makes sense. Yeah, but no, I definitely

don't believe in God or any kind of magic or any kind of shit like that, no. No. And if there is a God, he's doing a terrible job. What about ghosts? Okay, I don't believe in ghosts, but I'm more open to ghosts than I guess God. Do you believe in God? Some days I do, some days I don't.

Sounds pretty convenient. No, I don't know. I mean, I have a very like... When I'm having a stomach ache, I pray for God. I don't really like talking about... I kind of offend people sometimes when I talk about how I don't believe in God because I'm so just dry. Yeah.

And I don't have a problem with other people that do believe in God. My problem is more with religion than the existence of God, you know? What's your problem with religion? Well, I mean, it's just a very shitty thing. It's like, you know, anything, the more organized and big almost anything gets, the worse it gets, right? The more people you put in something. So my problem isn't like the religious people. Like you had Corey Wong on your podcast, right?

Yeah. You talked about how he's a Christian. But the way he's a Christian is great. You know what I mean? Like the Corey Wongs or whoever, they're not the problem. It's like the organization. You know what I mean? Like the church itself.

Any optimism today? What do you got for me? I'm in a good mood about our future right now. Yeah, I do too. I feel like COVID, it spiked there for a minute. It seems like it's dying off a little. None of us got it on tour. That's a good sign.

And we went to Texas, people. I mean, we all know we're not going to get in Seattle. They were really masked up. It was really amazing to see all the different, how everyone treated their idea of what COVID is. It's weird how regional stuff still is, even though we're all connected worldwide by the social media. Yeah. There's just things that are pervasive in culture for thousands of years that you can't get out of people, you know?

Exactly. People are a certain way, you know? I can't wait to get in the Midwest next month. My people. Oh, yeah, dude. Oh, let's talk about our Tories. Oh, and also Repsy. We got to talk about Repsy.

People. Oh, yeah, dude. Oh, let's talk about our tour. Oh, and also Repsy. We got to talk about Repsy. Guys, bands, musicians, entertainers, sign up to Repsy.com. Our boys made an amazing platform for you to get help getting shows. I know how hard it is to get shows.

It's hard. Dude, if I already have an agent, are they going to take a double cut? No, they're not. Wow, that was a fucking lob ball, baby. I'm going to clap to that one. That was a lob ball. Lob city, baby. That's what I'm talking about. That is that fucking co-host energy I fucking need sometimes.

Yes, you don't get a double commission. They'll take, if you have an agent, they'll help you out. Hey, give it to JBG, you know? Yeah, John Bongiorno working hard trying to get me paid. I love him. He's like, nope, you're worth this now. Sorry, people. I like that guy.

I fuck with him. I love that. I love that. I was like, yo, we didn't get on X Festival or did we pass? He's like, you're worth this, Frasco. You worked this hard. You are worth this. I'm like, shout out to Jon.

Because you had to say no to a festival because they didn't offer you enough money. I won't name the festival or the amount of money. Yeah. Hell yeah. I know what I'm festival or the amount of money. Yeah. Hell yeah. I know what I'm worth, baby. Well, he does. But that's his job. Sometimes I just want

to play every gig and then I get burnt out. It's hard to say no to flying somewhere and playing for thousands of people. It is. That's the hardest part about it. Because there's only

one time a year you can go do that festival. But whatever. There's something else. Maybe a better will come along. So sign up for Repsy.com. I thought you were done. I thought the ad was over.

No. Sign up to Repsy.com and be part of the music industry going into 2021 and 2020. Is it 2021 right now? Yeah, it's 2021. We're almost in 2022. I know.

Where do you plan New Year's? Florida. Oh, yeah, that's right. Where's that? Miami area? Orlando. Oh, my God. Yes.

Are you going to go to Disney? I don't know. I'm going to take a vacation after New Year's Eve. I'm thinking of going to Germany. Oh, yeah. You told me that. Berlin. Berlin.

Unless you want to do a vacation, I'll bring a girl or something. Are we going to go to Lakers Bowls? We are. That is on November. That's in January. That's in January 16th. Well, I'm going to that. I'll bring a girl or something. Are we going to go to Lakers Bowls? We are. That is on November. That's in January. That's in January 16th. Well, I'm going to that. I'll take you. Courtside, baby. Thank you. That was funny when you're like, I don't know who you are who got me courtside tickets. Thank you.

But that was funny when we were in the trailer. We were in Umphrey McGee's trailer at summer camp and I was like, I'll go. And you're like, you got to get your own flight. I was like, just because I work for you doesn't mean I'm poor. That was a good one. Hey, but I told you. I told you how much my band makes.

You're kind of pumped up about it. I make, I pay people. Yeah, you do. You pay people, you know, what they're worth. Yeah, I know. If I was in your band, I wouldn't be pissed about what I get paid. Cool.

Those guys aren't either, FYI. No, no, they're not. They have never said anything. No, I hope not but um yeah so sign up to Repsy.com get your band out there

get big get big and they know the big festivals fuck yeah good southern boys down there in Alabama um

speaking of the midwest we are going back to your around your hood right where are we going well not my exact hood cause you've been there we're going to New Orleans this weekend

New Orleans Little Rock Fayetteville Arkansas I heard Fayetteville, Arkansas. I heard Fayetteville is dope. It's laps. That was where I started my career. I've played Georgia's a couple times, but not long enough to hang out. But we have a day off the next day, so I want to go do some stuff.

That'll be fun. So New Orleans on the 14th. We just added the Suffers. They're playing with us. That'll be fun. Little Rock on the 15th. Fayetteville on the 16th then we're into

three days off I don't know what we should do Grand Rapids we'll head to Michigan it's a pretty far drive it is so Grand Rapids on the 19th

Ferndale, Michigan on the 20th Buffalo is almost sold out fuck yeah Pittsburgh almost sold out fuck yeah

on the 22nd 23 Covington I love, 23, Covington. I love Covington. Covington is Cincinnati for you people who don't know. That's where I played with Cosby sweater or Turbo suit. So if you're from Cincinnati or in the Cincinnati area, Covington is right there in Cincinnati, but you probably already know that actually.

Oh, hell yeah. And then Cleveland, Ohio on the 24th. Give it up for Casey down there in Covington. My dude. He puts on Resonance. Yeah. Resonance. One of my favorite promoters in the country. Resonance Fest.

And then the 28th, Raleigh, North Carolina. 29th, Wilmington. We're doing the fucking wrestling thing. Kyle Ayers is back. Kyle Ayers and Nick Gerlach, the whole band is back on the 29th. And Big Something. And Big Something, yeah. Richmond, Virginia on the 30th.

Cool. Charlottesville on the 31st. Broadbury, Richmond. I think it is Broadbury. That's a sick venue. Yeah, it's a cool room. I love that room. I love that area.

North Carolina, Virginia. That shit's so beautiful. I haven't really done the North Carolina coast very much. It's sick as fuck. I heard it's awesome. If you guys want to take a vacation,

you should take that drive down and just see the mountains and go to Asheville. It's fucking tight. November 3rd, Louisville, Kentucky. Hell yeah. November 4th, Madison, Wisconsin. Not a lot of tickets sold. Come on, Madison. I know we're not...

College towns are tough, man. Every four years, you have to recirculate. Oh, yeah. You gotta do a big show. They all graduate, so you gotta do another fucking outdoor free concert. I never thought about that. Yeah, because I've had to recirculate my Fayetteville fans like four Yeah, because I've had to recircuate my Fayetteville fans like four times now because I've played there for so fucking long.

But Fayetteville, it's like a city too, right? So there's like... Yeah, now that Walmart moved there. Yeah, is that where it is? Yeah, Benville or something. What's Walmart? Walmart's Benville. What is Walmart?

Shut the fuck up, Nick. Minneapolis on the 5th. Turf Club, that ticket's selling good. We're playing Chicago on the 6th, which I'm really excited about. I heard Talia Hall is insanely cool. It's sick, and it's a big room. So come on, guys, get your tickets.

You know, the problem is, this is what I'm talking about with the Repsy thing. We're competing with like Pidgeons, Billy Streams. Spafford. Spafford. It's like, you guys, we're going to get, everyone's going to get stepped on, so you might as well get a lot of help.

Go to Repsy.com. Urbana as well get a lot of help. Go to, go to Revstuck. Urbana, Illinois is the end of it. Hell yeah. And then a couple weeks off. And then we do a little four day run. Birmingham on November 17th. Atlanta.

Atlanta on the 19th. Asheville on the 18th. And Nashville on the 20th. I love Atlanta. And that's the, that's the, the done of that, our second leg of our tour.

And then we all cry and cry and cry. And then I'm going to the Laker-Bulls game in L.A. No, and then we're going to do more tour. And then you're going to holidays. And then we're going to tour. And then we have holidays with our boys, Umphreys. Let's go. Fuck yeah.

I said, nah, I don't want to go to holidays. Yeah, then we're in the Northeast in December. But we'll talk about that. Let's just buy your tickets to this Midwest run and Southeast. You don't have to go. You can just buy a ticket, you know? True. True.

Oh. What? Came to buy some Western wear at Rock Mountain. Oh, cool. Richie. We're doing a podcast. Yeah, my buddy Richie's in town now. Andy Frasco gets more texts than anyone I've seen in my life.

Dude, I have... How do you have so many friends? 312 text messages I haven't responded to yet. How do you have so many friends? 312 text messages I haven't responded to yet. How do you have so many friends? I don't get it. Because... You don't even look people in the eye when you talk to them. Shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up. Got him. Because I talk to everyone. I try to communicate with everybody. Oh, yeah. Okay. Because I feel bad when people reach out and when I tell them... I have one missed text.

From me, probably. No. Damn it. All right. It's from my credit card company. This is a long segment. Have a great week. Thanks, Nick.

That was a half hour? Jeez. It goes by quick when you're with your buddy. We didn't even talk about optimism. Oh, you want to pump people up today? I guess. About what? Just to have a great week.

Okay. Everybody have a great week. You're going to have a great week, actually. You're going to have a great week. People are going to be stoked you're alive. People are going to be stoked that you're going to be there living, thriving, and following your dreams. Right, Nick? Yeah, and if you don't feel like doing something, just don't do it.

Yeah, don't do it. Fuck it. Put yourself first this week. Put yourself first. Put yourself first and let people know you mean fucking business, right? Yeah. The other person doesn't always have to come. No.

All right. Goodbye. Enjoy Melissa Etheridge. She's awesome. We had a great talk. All right. Next up on the interview hour, we have Melissa Etheridge. Yes.

Legend. Chris, play some Melissa while I pump her up a little bit. One of the best songwriters in the 90s and now still being an activist. She's unbelievable and she's dealt with cancer and her son passing away through opioids and building a foundation called the Etheridge Foundation to support research in the hunt to fix the opioid addiction. And it was a great talk, and we talked about the music industry in the 90s versus now.

We talked about it all, and I'm really excited for you to listen to this. So thanks for being on the show, Melissa. All right, guys. Enjoy Melissa Etheridge. I tied angels to my feet I'm flying down the street With the devil inside

And when I woke up this morning Had a fire in my brain. One good look at you, I'd say you were just this side of the same. Baby screaming, you can't stop. Hey, how you doing, Melissa? I am fantastic. How are you? I'm good.

Where are you at right now? I am fantastic. How are you? I'm good. Where are you at right now? I don't know. I'm in Indiana. Nashville, Indiana. Can you believe it? Are you gigging or is this where you live? No, no, no. I'm out on the road. Thank goodness. I'm so grateful we were able to come back and start touring last month. Yeah. How did the quarantine treat your mental stability?

It was very challenging. I think it was very challenging to all of us. When I first realized in that first month of March that this was going to be a long time, at first I thought, oh, it's just going to be a couple of weeks, you know. And I started doing some little FaceTime concerts. And I said, oh, I'll just do this every day for like 20 minutes until we get through this, you know. And then 58 days later, I realized this was going long. And then I lost my son, realized this was going long and then i lost my son which uh yeah that was a real heartbreak and then um i threw everything into actually building a streaming studio and for over a year i streamed um five days a week we did live shows and you know

i mean i i played in the studio played music and and some fun stuff, uh, five days a week and really kind of built a community. So it, it helped keep me sane. It helped keep me close to music and it really, it really saved everything. Yeah. That's what I wanted to ask you. By the way, I'm so sorry to hear about Beckett and stuff. And I, um, do you think music and distractions help you mourn death? music and distractions help you mourn death? I think music helps everything. Yeah. Um, I think, uh, death and loss is, um, a part of being human, unfortunately. I mean, I wish we could all get away from it, but, um, it's going to happen.

And I think, yes, the best thing to do is not be, um, uh, paralyzed by it. Not, uh, I, I definitely, you know, the hard part was, you know, guilt and shame and wondering and, and, you know, what could I have done and all those things you go through and, um, and music and creating and building something and, and learning. And it really takes your mind off all that and gets, it was, it was the best thing I could have done. Yeah.

I mean, and especially as being a songwriter and helping, you know, I don't know how you are about being vulnerable or suppressing feelings or if it's hard for you to suppress feelings, if it isn't through song or whatever, how hard was it to write about this? And have you tried to write about this and have you tried

to write about this i have um i have i have some uh you know i haven't sat down and completed a song yet when i write sometimes i just write pieces and put it down and and i know that i'll go back later and assemble it all i have definitely definitely written down just things that come to me, but I have yet to really sit down and visit that sort of pain. And I will be able to write about it because that always helps me. But it will be different. Yeah, it'll be intense. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sorry to even bring it up. You know, it's like,

and like I said, it's part of life and I do, I made a choice that I would talk about it because I know that so many other people go through this and, and, and it is, it is very prevalent and it is a problem in our society. And I do want to talk about it. Then let's let's get, let's get with it then. is very prevalent and it is a problem in our society. And I do want to talk about it. Then let's, let's get,

let's get with it then. I would love to hear about it because the Etheridge foundation is, is one of the supports for opiate addictions, correct? And what have, what have you learned through the research that you've started doing on about opiates and how they attack our body and how they attack our minds? Well, mostly the Etheridge Foundation is sending research into alternatives to opioids because the way that the opioid works is just insidious and it's instantly addictive and the the what what they have invented now up to fentanyl you know is like

why why why are we doing this and and um and also then looking to alternatives and understanding what pain is and how to uh maneuver through pain and work through pain without this pharmaceutical choice that even now you see all the lawsuits and the darkness and the insidiousness behind it is very sad. And I don't want to be against it. I want to move forward to the future where we can leave that behind. Yeah, totally. And like, why does like Western medicine always feel like opiates are the reason to like feel better? Like, why can't we use other things to make us feel better?

Well, I've always thought that Western medicine, if you look where it started from over 100 years ago, it was a joke 100 years ago. Because you could see there's little cartoons where it'll show a doctor and says, wow, this doctor, the cure is going to kill me. And it was a way of thinking that science brought us. And I mean, I'm going to go all deep here and go that, you know, 400 years ago, Descartes went to the church and said, I want to be able to study the human body. I want to exhume dead bodies and look at them. And they said, OK, you can do that. But the soul, the spirit is still part of the church. So you can only look at it through the human body. So medicine started there and it went on this path where it never

included the mental, the emotional, spiritual part of the human being. And so medicine only looks at, we call it allopathic. It's a belief that there's the body and something happens to it and disease happens to it. And so here's something outside of the body that a pill is going to relieve that symptom. That's just the way they started thinking 400 years ago when the new, more natural, natural pathic or homeopathic, you know, the holistic body. Of course, it has to do with our emotional state, with stress, with with these things that when you put that in and you look, then the cure is inside of us and it's about strengthening our immune system strengthening our emotional body to where these diseases you know dis-ease this disease doesn't come in or well actually start in your body i really learned this from cancer because i had cancer 17 years ago and cancer starts when cells go bad. Cancer is not something you catch from somewhere. It's your own cells going bad because your environment is too

acidic. And that comes from what we're eating, you know, all those things that, you know, we're told not to do, but mostly from stress from our own minds. And we've got to, our own minds. And we've got to, medicine has to really start to marry that. And when you find a healer, a doctor who, who is like, Hmm, maybe we should look at your lifestyle. You know, it's, it has to be that now and medicine is starting to get more integrative. Yeah. And they, it's, it's, you're, you're spot on about it.

And what you said, I'm going to clap to that because that was a beautiful expression to that because people forget that curing anything. You're just like, I see that with cancer. Like I see people with the radiation and everything and how it just fucks everything. Excuse my language. I don't know if you cuss, but it just messes up our whole body and our brain doesn't know how to handle it. How do you, so what's our approach with how to get our mental health in a good stable place for the medicine to work? Well, you would hope that whatever treatment you would be able to go into, that would go

hand in hand. I remember when I went through my treatment 17 years ago, you know, they would say, okay, we're going to do this chemotherapy, we're going to do this radiation and all this crazy stuff. And it was all numbers and percentages of if it's going to come back or not. And then I had a nurse that just quietly told me, you know, Hey, you know, if you think positively, it might really help. That helps the results. I mean, just really quiet. It was like a secret. And I'm like, why doesn't, why don't people start telling you this?

In the first place, what's so secretive about that? That's okay. So it's, it's, it's going in there and, and, and getting doctors and then they're starting to to, because they themselves are getting sick. So doctors are starting to understand, wait a minute, it's more than just, I'm not going to come in and give you this cure that's a chemical, a chemo, a pill, or something. You know, we can do all this research, and there's great stuff. There's great stuff that isolated, you know, chemotherapies on certain things. Great. But this, this overall sort of prophylactic chemo thing, I think is going to be, um, a thing of the past soon because it's really, it, it, it is more, it's so much more of a mental thing, whether your cancer comes back or not. Yeah. Then like, let's talk about your own

experience with fighting cancer. Like when you found out that you had cancer, like how is, how is your mental health with that? Well, it was funny. I don't usually tell people this, but I'm beginning to, because I do want them to understand a plant spirit. And I was about a year before I was diagnosed with cancer. I had, I'd gone through a divorce, but really, and it was still a messy, horrible thing. I had a couple of gone through a divorce, but really, and it was still a messy, horrible thing. I had a couple of kids and it was just this really stressful stuff.

My career was kind of like, what am I doing? And, and it was just a stressful time in my life. Yeah. And I had, um, I had, uh, accidentally, I call it a heroic dose of a cannabis. I ate too many pot cookies and just went on this amazing journey. And I came back a changed person because I started, it was a spiritual experience for me, and I won't go too deep into it, but it definitely changed me so that when I was diagnosed with cancer, I wasn't afraid of death one, because I had sort of, you know, seeing that I had had this experience of, you know, what reality and life and death and everything really was. And so I was able to start walk through it and understand it from a place instead of fear of, Oh my God, I'm dying. It's a no, no, no, no, no.

This is my body shedding something and just showing me oh this is this is what a body does it gets too acidic it it the cells go bad and so um my my immune system comes and covers it up and makes a tumor and it can shrink and it can go away that's that's what i learned so my when you asked me my mental health 17 years, I was kind of in an awakening state. And the cancer sort of just sped everything up. Yeah. So you're saying if you approach traumatic things optimistically, your body is more relaxed and feels like they could fight whatever, as fight the, whatever the disease in your body as best as they can, you know? Yeah. Um, you want to help your immune system.

Your immune system is a miraculous system. It truly is. If you really look and see what our bodies are capable of and how we can heal ourselves and, you know, some people aren't there. There's, there's different, you know, degrees of it, but just optimism, just like, okay. It was one of the reasons why I constantly talk about, Hey, I'm a thriver, 17 years cancer free. You can do it. You can do it. There's optimism here. This is not a death sentence here. You're not, you're not dying. Your, your body's just giving you a signal. So, so, you know, if you can start that way, pardon me, if you can start that way, then, um, you know, there's,

there's areas, there's more chance. Yeah. Oh, miss optimism. I love it. This is what I'm talking about. I needed this. You know, like I, I did the same thing. I did a heroic, I've been micro, I was dealt with not, I was dealing with a severe depression. I'm a musician as well. I've been on the road 15 years, 250 shows a year, just grinding like you have, like you're one of my inspirations

about how hard you work and gig. And I got through this thing. It was like year 10 of my touring, I started getting depressed and feeling like it was all just part, nothing was making sense. And then I started microdosing psilocybin. There you go. And it really changed, it rewired my brain into more optimistic thoughts.

What's your take on psychedelics? Yeah, that's what I'm hoping when I said more legalization, because as soon as that is, the Etheridge Foundation will definitely get behind that. I believe we have these gifts from the earth that have been around for millions of years, millions of years, which I have a deep belief that uh mushrooms and psilocybin and you know aminina muscarium that that they uh that's where religion came from you know that totally was these you know the cave folks going whoa you know and and what It naturally does to our nervous systems, how it helps us. It just just as trees and plants give us oxygen, we give them carbon monoxide.

We are you know, if the plants die, we die. We die. The plants die sort of thing. We are connected. Then there's a whole branch of plant medicine that is psychotropic, that helps human beings. We eat plants. It's good for us. We breathe plants. It's good for us. We take plant medicine. It's good for us.

It's the same thing. And, you know, 2000 years ago, a thousand years ago, this was the this what they this for so long and it's time for us really to take a grownup look at, at psilocybin and cannabis at ayahuasca at, at so many different things. Why does big farm not want us to take a bigger look at that? Money. I mean, you know, it's you know, of course, cause that that's their living day and people have, and you know, it's, you know, of course, because that's their living. And people have, you know, it is their belief. People still think, you know, that all of this is, you know, they believe reefer madness.

You know, they've been really, the generation before me was really raised that all of this is bad and you'll go crazy and you'll kill people. And, you know, I think ultimately searching your own consciousness, exploring your own consciousness is terrifying to the church, to pharmaceuticals, because they have it kind of neatly laid out. And it's not an evil thing. It's just what they know. And it's just how it of neatly laid out. And it's not an evil thing. It's just what they know. And it's just how it's been laid out. But this is, you know, searching our consciousness, I believe, is a civil right. You know, I think us being able to get in touch with ourselves and understand our consciousness place in the world and how we're connected to each other and what we're doing here and that sort

of thing, you know, that's frightening to other people. I mean, other, but you know, to, to, to those that really have a, have sort of a one way look, but it's just growing your, your generation. Everybody's just, it's getting more and more, more and more aware, aware. Yeah. What about when you're younger and the same philosophy, but with sexuality? Yeah, I, it's, I feel exactly the same way. Yeah. I, um, you know, when I, when I realized I was, um, a lesbian, like when I was 16 or 17 and, and I said, Oh my God, I'm the only one. And I'm going to have to be in a little hole. And then you kind of, you find others and

you're like, Oh, and then there's a whole community. You're like, wait a minute. There's all these people. They're just living under the, you know, this, this under the known, you know, what's going on. That's exactly how I feel when I, when I was, when I became like a cannabis advocate. It's like, if, if all the people that actually use cannabis came out and said, hey, I use it. It's like, it's like coming out as a gay person. It normalizes it. People understand, oh, no, this is, this is love. This is my relationship. This is, I'm loving myself by getting in touch with my own consciousness. Yeah, totally. I mean, I mean, you know, I've been around the country too. And like

growing up, you grew up in Kansas, right yeah how hard was it how hard was it to make being a lesbian open as open as you could be or were you suppressing where did you have to suppress oh no no yeah i i got out of level in fact this is you know 1978 79 i'm like see you later yeah i'll come back when i'm a big, famous rock star. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, I really have to hand it to my hometown. They back in the 90s, they embraced me and were like, this is the hometown of Melissa Etheridge. You know, big, big gay. Yeah. Did they did you have to deal with any, you know, bad juju while opening up as a gay person? You know, not enough. nothing to really look at. You know, I, I always think that it's other people's fear if they're going to be hateful because I love

somebody. I mean, that just says more about them. So, so it's, um, you know, I, I was just a couple hours from the infamous Westboro Baptist church, you know, and he used to, you know, come and, and picket everything I did, you know, in my hometown, which is, it was like this really ugly thing, but it just, they look kind of crazy. They always did. And everyone would just walk by and kind of shake their heads. And I kind of feel like the same way with the older generations who are not letting us like do research on psilocybin and not it's the same like it's these old values that people are holding on to that they need to fucking let go of excuse my language no i i 100 agree yes all right i got i i know you we only have a little bit of time i got other things i want to talk about this is a music

industry podcast i want to know i mean you you fucking killed it in the 90s it was killing it the music industry was way different uh i want to know like what do you think the difference is between the music industry in the 90s and the music industry now well i wouldn't say one is better than the other i i would say no yeah i would say that ultimately people love music and they're going to find the music they love they're going to find it and i always had a belief that if you play your music for people and people enjoy it it will grow it just will and and you know you did this what i've always told people now in the 90s there was was a very clear path. You had to get signed to a record deal and you had to get on the radio, which a lot of people got signed and didn't get on the radio. And, you know, a lot of people didn't even get signed. So it was, it was a one, one plan. me five years of of every single record company coming out to see me before chris blackwell

finally walked in and said well i don't know why you're not signed you're you know and and he signed me of course i was in gay bars it might have meant you know that they couldn't get past that i don't know but it did it took five years and once he did um he he always told me he said don't know, but it took five years. And once he did, he always told me, he said, don't make music for the radio. You make radio come to you. And, you know, that sort of creative, you know, approach and support really, really worked. So I was able to do that. And then, you know, I was in the, in the nineties, that sort of music was rocking, you know, it was great. And singer songwriters,

it was all about us and, and, um, you know, grunge and rock and roll. And it was just a great decade. And then it changed. And that's where then that, you know, then I wasn't played on the radio. And so it's this kind of land of the lost you get into, but then the internet came in and now I can reach my fans directly, you know, right on. And yes, it's smaller, but nowadays, again, kids are making music. They're making it for people. It's, it, it starts to grow. Radio has, has, um, just gotten so narrow and so thin that it's only serving, you know, 13 to 18 year olds. Okay. Or it's country music, which is basically what rock and roll and songwriting used to be, you know, it started. So you've kind of got that still there, but then there's this really healthy internet underbelly that you can connect.

It's sort of like what indie music used to be, you know, the indie labels, which Chris Blackwell was. So, um, What did Chris Blackwell teach you about, um, longevity? Oh, he, he and Bruce Springsteen both gave me the best advice. It was like, it's good to have a hit every now and then, but don't have too many of them. I was like, okay, then I'm doing okay. You know, that's good advice. Bruce Springsteen was like, yeah, you don't want, you, you want,

the way to have a long career is for people to want to come see you live. And so that's what I have always worked at is, you live. And so that's what I have always worked at is, um, is presenting a show that when someone leaves, they're like, God, I want, that made me feel so good. I want to go see that again. That's, that's my goal. That's beautiful. What about, what was your mind state like when, you know, like you were, you were fucking popping. And then all of a sudden, like there's that, that part of the the of everyone's career where the trends move on to something else like what was your mind state there when like you're on the top of the world all of a sudden like how did you get through was it

were you going through depression were you like okay with it or what tell me about yeah it it was because not only was it that but my uh, relationship marriage or whatever it was, you know, we had two kids and, and it, everything was falling at once. And I was like, wow, this, this sucks. And, and yet you're, it just shows that it's not, it's not about the result. The fun part, the amazing part is always the journey. So I have learned to not be so results oriented it's more the experience i'm having so uh i don't look at charts anymore i don't it i don't i i just make music and i uh i i give it to the people who want to hear it but at that time in the 90s it was you know it was we were coming off of this great stuff in the mid 90s and all of a sudden

britney spears and in sync and i'm like what what is this you know and it just took a hard you know turn and music just became that and and and that's okay did you become bitter the music industry when they started promoting people like that well i i got a little i got a little bad taste in my mouth when um some pretty big radio stations and stuff you know were like oh you know she's uh irrelevant and you know just you know they kind of you do this weird stuff at the beginning of the of the the century yeah the beginning beginning of the 2000s you know that was kind of huh and so yet you know i could i could still play and people wanted to hear and sing and so and that's kind of when i got cancer too so it all sort of and then i came out of that and went

i don't care i'm not even going to ever worry about that again. I am so fortunate to make my music for people who want to hear it. And it just so doesn't matter. Do you think that stress caused the cancer? Oh, absolutely. A hundred percent. Man, I got to stop worrying about shit. Yes, you do.

You got to, joy is extremely important. Not just, hey, it's nice and joy. No, it's like good medicine. You definitely need to stop worrying. You need to put some gratitude and appreciation into your life. Oh damn. I'm getting pumped up by Melissa. Let's go. I love it. No, but I'm serious. Like how, what would you give a guy like me advice on, you know, I've, I've been doing this 15 years. I'm in the, in the live, live music scene. You know, it's like, I'm always chasing the hit, you know, I've, I've been doing this 15 years. I'm in the, in the live, live music scene. You know, it's like, I'm always chasing the hit, you know, I'm always chasing like what,

what, what kind of advice would you give people in my caliber of band? I would say, stop for a moment, take a look around, look how far you've come. Tell your 13 year old self, Hey, you freaking did it. Okay. You did it. You, I would take a moment and look and just have amazing gratitude that you are successful. You have a podcast. You're talking to me, you know, you're, you're, you're, you've done it and start there and take a breath and go, yeah, yeah, I did do that. And, oh, I want to do more excitedly. And the minute you find yourself going, I want to do more. Oh, but the man's keeping me down. Then you're, you're fucked. You're, you're out, you know? So you have to say,

yeah, keep going, keep going. You, you, how do you think, oh, sorry, we're talking, I'm so excited. I'm talking to Melissa Etheridge about getting my career. Why do we always feel like we have to make all these industry people happy? Well, because we have always believed that they have all the control. And they kind of used to. They had the control over who got the record deal. They had the control over who was played on the radio. And that used to be the thing.

So we give them that. But ultimately, I really started to understand that it's not, it's the people and the people always have control. They are always more. If you get the people loving you, then like Chris Blackwell said, radio will come to you. The industry will come to you. You make stuff you love that excites people and they love it it doesn't matter and uh have you uh reached that point in your life again where you're finally making music you love oh yeah yeah there's not anything i put out now that that's not like 100 because right the album i put out right before i was diagnosed with cancer it was the first album that i had put out that Chris Blackwell had left the

record label. It was called Lucky. And I turned it in. I did what I usually did. I didn't, I never used to even have an A&R guy. Chris Blackwell just let me do what I wanted and make, make it and put it out. And I put it out and this was a whole new record company and they were all, this is 2003 and, and they said, okay they said okay yeah it's fine but we don't hear a hit and that was the first time that that was ever said to me that was like and they said and so we think you should record this song that was done by that was written by um another band and it broke my heart and I it truly broke my heart but I thought okay well they're not going

to work the record if I don't do the song that they want me to do. So I did the song. I put it out. I got cancer. Oh, my God. Yeah. And I swore that I'd never do anything that I didn't love again after that. Did you talk to a therapist?

Oh, many. Yeah, I went through a lot of therapy. I'm kind of beyond that now. I'm not saying I don't need therapy, but I've trained and practiced well-being enough that talking about old stuff is not healthy for me. It's about looking and creating the future now. I got two more questions. I'll let you go. I know you're busy. When Chris Blackwell left, was that like the most heartbreaking thing to you? It was incredibly heartbreaking. It really was. I felt like here was a guy that for a deck for 10 years, over 10 years, 11 years, he guided my career. He believed in me and obviously this was the end of the 90s and all these guys were just selling their companies for massive amounts you know they're bought up by everybody and you know i don't blame him but then i was just set and and he and through they wouldn't let me off the label to go somewhere else it was it was really it was it was hard yeah i think the the

the idea the art of the because like the art of the a and r in the 90s and the 80s and 70s was so important i feel that's what the music industry is lacking right now is like the idea of developing a band yeah i think they look at um i think the majors look at uh you know your internet numbers you know your social media numbers and that's that's the a and r of it is a numbers game and um you gotta think that there's still some i keep running across some great artists who are still you know kind of unknown but uh you know yeah it's crazy because like you know it's like there is a platform now because of social media and like we could get like you said the cream rises at the top and if you make good content

the people are going to catch on to it it's just what's hard is when you're getting fluttered with a million fucking bands and you're like i'm like i get confused i'm, what do I even listen to? How do you make your trajectory of keeping your career going when everyone's trying to tell you, you should sound like this, you should sound like this. You just say, fuck all them and say, I'm just going to be myself and everyone could suck it or whatever. Yeah, not in those words, but yeah. Sorry, Melissa.

I'm hopped up on coffee now. Yeah, no, that's it is i'm i'm a musician i've definitely earned the i've done the years and i've earned the right to really believe in my music and um you know put it out like i i like well um we're all rooting for you and i'm always a fan i love you and i think you are you are badass and you stand for dope shit, and you're always fighting for something that's strong and powerful, and I'm a fan. I got one last question for you, and I'll let you go on your press tour. What do you want to be remembered by, Melissa Etheridge, when it's all said and done? I want people to, I would love for it to just be, you know, I created some art that made the world a better place.

And maybe by living, I, yeah, just made the world a little bit better. That would be nice. That's beautiful. Well, thanks for being on the show. Thanks for just doing your part to make people happy. And we're all rooting for you out here. Hey, come see me live sometime. Yeah.

What's your tour dates? You got any tour dates coming up? Yeah, I'm on tour. I'm in, where am I? Indiana. Nashville. Nashville, Indiana. Do you still love touring?

Oh, I do. Because I love, you know, the traveling can be hard. But God god just walking out on stage and all the new people seeing you maybe for the only time that they'll ever see you in their life yeah yeah no touring live music is where it's at that exchange is what it's all about do you see like a different type of energy like when people coming out of a pandemic and realizing how important music and how important people need music. I see that in my shows,

like people are crying now. Like it's very emotional right now. Yeah. It's really, cause we did, we do, we need, we need to gather in groups and listen to music.

I think it's a very healing thing. Yes. Well, thank you for being a, uh, another rider of the storm. I appreciate you. All right. Have a great one, Melissa. Thank of the storm. I appreciate you. All right.

Have a great one, Melissa. Thank you so much for being on the show. Later, dude. Sure. All right, Melissa Etheridge. I just called her dude at the end of the podcast, but that was good. Thank you, Melissa. Thanks for giving us advice.

Thanks for talking, Volton Bloobs. And I think we got a lot on that one. All right. I'll catch you on the tail end with Nicky. Nick, you going to do this pod with me? Now, a message from the UN. That was it. That was good.

But let me, one last time. Just for my... Let's do it now. Let's do it right now. One, two, three, four. I got drunk and I was an asshole to my friends I got drunk again Goddamn

Even got into it with my mom Gonna be hearing about this one till she's gone Don't know how I got so fucked up in such a little time Like I was maintaining, but we all know that's a lie Why, why, why? My, my, my. I got drunk. Again.

Why, why, why? My, my, my. Why, why, why? I got drunk Goddamn All right, thank you. That was a great episode. Give it up for Melissa Etheridge.

Unbelievable. Can't believe she was on the show. This is a special moment. It's Sunday after our Ogden show and we're going to do a live sport. We're going to put Sports with Dolove on an actual closing segment. We've got Dolove Cohen in the building.

What's up, Dolove? What's up? Stop the shit about the game. It's got a weird fucking name. It's Sports with Don't Love. You know what? Just to spice it up, I have became really close friends with a woman who...

We've become really close friends with a woman that is a badass, and she actually is a Mavs fan. We got Phyllis on the show, too. Hey, Phyllis. Phyllis! This is your time. I'll give you both the stage.

Why do you think the Jazz is going to win the championship? Utah Jazz have the best defense. We got the best defensive player, Rudy Gobert, going to block your fucking face. We got the best up-and-coming star, Donovan Mitchell, spied up, going to fucking spy it in your face, around the fucking back, from the back, going to fucking eat your asshole through your fucking face. Really the fucking back. From the back. From the back.

I'm going to fucking eat your asshole through your fucking face. Well, you, because I have not seen tit later. So sexual. Utah Jazz 2020, 21, 22 fucking champions. You heard it here, folks. What? Folks. Fucking sports with Dolab.

Crossover with sports with Phyllis and her Dallas Mavericks. Why do you think the Mavs are going to win the championship? I know the Mavs will not win the championship because they have fucking Chris Southport saying this. I have been doing this my whole goddamn life. Do I have to continue? I will tell you why. We will not win.

Phil, tell me. Why do you love the Mavs so much? Do I have to actually? You're from Vermont. Come on, this is your moment. This is your moment. Don't get stage fright. I don't give a fuck about my moment.

You know that very well how I feel about this. Okay. Okay, remember American Beauty? Yeah. The garbage bag, it's blowing in the wind. Yeah. How would you feel if that was your fucking star player? Your next best how would you fucking feel with your garbage bag blew in the wind too hard you couldn't fucking handle it like

how do i have to why why do i have to consistently deal with this fucking shit i'm over it christophe sucks he can't fucking do anything i would like like to. They don't have enough money. That is the saddest part. Literally, no one has enough money to handle KP. Got it. It's literally garbage flowing in the air. All right, well, give us some optimism. Why do you think the Mavs will be good this year?

THJ, baby. THJ. Tim Hardaway Jr. is your guy. Tim Hardaway Jr. is your guy Tim Hardaway Jr. you guys have not given me any facts of why your teams are good

what do you mean we are the fucking best we were number one last year we're gonna be number one again this year we're gonna be more hungry yes the Utah fucking jazz

this is the jazz sports cast sports with Dolab jazz here we are okay we're fucking number one last year. We're going to be number one again this year. We're going to be more hungry. Fucking, you guys can't stay healthy.

You guys have a bunch of old motherfuckers. Clippers aren't healthy. Denver aren't healthy. Mavs just like don't have enough guys. Okay, you say they're old, but we are the same age as half that fucking team. Half my team? Are we going to be healthy?

No, Lakers are our age, dog. You're calling us old? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In fucking basketball. Andy, Lakers are trash. Lakers are trash. Okay. So is Westbrook.

All right, this is over. This is over. It's sports with... Come on. No, no, no, no, no. It's not over. It's not over. He doesn't want to hear.

It's not over. We got all the soundbites. Jesus. Westbrook is fucking old. So is that team. You guys lost all your fucking defense. We got our defense. We added some fucking dudes.

This is our fucking year. Yo, the only thing that's standing in our way is the Nets. If fucking Kyrie comes back. But Kyrie ain't coming back. Bucks are legit. Wow. The West ain't standing in our way. We're fucking going to the finals. Utah Jazz

2021 2021 Western Conference champions. We're going to the finals. We're taking down the Bucks or the Nets. Fuck you, Frasco. Fuck you, Phyllis. We're taking down everyone. We're taking down the Fantasy League. Both

the fucking Jamban Fantasy League and our new fucking league. Phyllis is in the league. We're taking down the Fantasy League. Both the fucking Jam Band Fantasy League and our new fucking league. Phyllis is in the league. We're fucking taking you down. Thank you. Ogden Theater was lit. Bo's the man. Jason's the man. You got a good squad around you. But Utah is fucking

taking it. Thank you, everybody. It's Sports with Doloff. What a beautiful closing to Melissa Etheridge. Thank you guys for being on the show. Thank you, Phyllis. Thank you, Doloff, for coming to Denver. Nuggets in four. Nuggets in four.

We're done here. We're done here. We love you. We'll see you next week. We're done. goodbye you tuned in to the world podcast with Andy Fresco now in its fourth season thank you for listening to this episode produced by Andy Fresco Joe Angelo and Chris

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