Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 145: Wes & Tommy from Moon Taxi

Episode Date: October 19, 2021

Andy and Nick take some time to give Arkansas a little love- not just for the 6am bars, but also for how easy it is to be a manwh0re there. Self-control is important! And on the Interview Hour, we welcome new friends, Wes & Tommy from Moon Taxi! They talk about the mutual love we share for the Howard Stern show, the music they've scored syncs on, and how hard it is to go thru the world being so darn pretty (they're great, y'all). Andy & Shawn sing a song extolling the joys of science. This is EP 145. Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Friends (A Song About Friends)" on iTunes, Spotify  Head the call and ridethemoontaxi.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Nick MacDaniels Kyle Ayers Shawn Eckels Andee "Beats" Avila Arno Bakker

What's up man, it's Nick from Big Something. We got the Wilmington show coming up, I'm fucking pumped. Royal Rumble's back baby. We got everything lined up, got the chairs, the tables, the sheetrock. Everybody's going through a table this time, even you buddy. What is up Fransco kyle airs here you know that hopefully you program my name in your phone uh very hyped for the royal rumble tour reunion super excited one small caveat uh my doctor said you are not allowed to throw me through any more tables.

They said I got a concussion last time, which are bad, so I can't go through the tables anymore. I did forget a couple of my cousin's first names. It was that bad. I will not live as long as I would have had we not done the table thing. But that's okay because it was fun, and I'm excited for the table thing. But that's okay, because it was fun. And I'm excited for the next show. I forgot where it is. I've been forgetting a lot of things.

But anyways, bye. And we're back. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. How's our heads? How's our minds? Oh, shut the fuck up, Nick. No, I don't.

Hi, Nick. Hi. We have my co-host, Nick Urlach. Hello, Nick. What's going on? We're in beautiful Fayetteville, Arkansas. Where are we? We're in Fayetteville, Arkansas. It is gorgeous here.

Yeah, I love Arkansas, right? I am an Arkansas guy, I decided. Why? I like it. It's the Michigan of the South. Why do you say that? Okay, so I was thinking about this last night in Little Rock. We drove through Mississippi and the parts of Louisiana that aren't New Orleans on the way up here. Yeah.

We've all been through Alabama, too. Arkansas hits a little different in those areas, even though it's in the south. There's a little... People here are a little more refined, maybe. A little more cultured, if you will. They're here to have fun. You know? Mississippi, driving through Mississippi, depressing, right? We're not stopping there

on the tour, are we? No, no, we're not. Very depressing place. I like it, though, but it's depressing. It's a joke. I mean, it's not the people's fault. They're just, you know. Oh, shit. I thought that was a person. Dude, that scared the hell out of me earlier. Oh, fuck.

There's a mannequin up in this window in the lobby. If you're ever at George's, go up on the patio and look. It's really scary. Did you like New Orleans? Arkansas is great. It's like Michigan. Michigan's surrounded by a bunch of states that are not as cool as it, too. I like Arkansas because there's 6 a.m. bars.

Yeah. Well. Did you have fun at that 6 a.m. bar? I had a fucking blast. I didn't go out for the gig. I'm avoiding that kind of thing. Bullshit. You went out. I had one drink. I had one drink. You went out. Bo, how long did fucking Nick go out for?

That's what I was saying. Dude, don't lie to my fans. I was in bed at four. At four? Yeah, that's not that bad. We got there at two. I'm allowed to go out. That means you were drinking

for two hours. I had one drink for two hours, yes. Well, how do you do that? Because I'm just very good at self-control. You need to teach me that because I'll just...

I'm the Michigan of this band. Shut up. I got kicked out of Michigan for not having self-control. The state or the college? A bunch of venues. Brewery. Oh, I love that place. Yeah, they won't let me back ever again.

Because you... Because they called me a frat boy. Like I was crowd surfing. It's so funny. You have this... That's a word that comes up with you. It's so funny because I kind of get why they think that from a distance, but you're like not like a frat boy at all.

No, not at all. You're like totally different personality. You barely got into college. No, just kidding. Andy got into a lot of school. Your mother, when I met her in San Diego, she made it a point to tell me that you got into a lot of good colleges. Really?

Yes. My mom's a shit. It was actually really nice. She's like, I did raise a child that was pretty smart. I'm sorry he's doing this, but he could have been this if he wanted. It was funny the way she was saying it. Your parents were a trip. I was actually pretty proud of myself, too.

Normally, I black out in New Orleans, and we didn't go out that much. I didn't go out at all in New Orleans. No, we were tired. We drove 20 hours while your rock star ass flew to New Orleans. Well, that's because, remember, I wasn't go out that much. I didn't go out at all in New Orleans. No, we were tired. We drove 20 hours while your rock star ass flew to New Orleans. Well, that's because remember I wasn't originally on that gig. Oh, so you just... Sorry, I had to fight to Little Rock, so I had to switch it to New Orleans.

Unbelievable. Also, I didn't feel like writing to the fan for 20 hours. I had some work to do in Denver. What do you... You didn't have any fucking work to do. A little bit. I had to record. What did you do?

I recorded. Who with who? I'm not going to tell you. It's a secret. A little bit. I did record. What did you do? I recorded. Who, who? I'm not going to tell you. It's a secret. A.K.A. Casey Russell. Yeah? I like Casey.

Yeah, I play horns on his record. Is it supposed to be a secret record? No, I just was trying to be dumb. I like Casey Russell a lot. He came and sat in at the Ogden. Yeah, we didn't, I guess we haven't talked about the Ogden show either. I was trying to, huh? Hey.

Boom. Segway. You're a good co-host right now. And the Michigan thing's going to come back up because we're going to Michigan next. Yeah. So Denver turned up. Denver turns up every time.

That's what they do in Denver. That's why I moved there. I've learned, too. Like, that really makes me... That show made me feel like I have a home base. Do you have a crew with you, which I don't think you've had before? I haven't had a crew.

Shout out to Bo. Shout out to Bo. Shout out to Bo. And Jason. And Jason. Having your own sound guy is fucking huge. Yeah, and Kermit. It cuts out so many steps of just setting up shit. He knows the deal.

He can interface with the house guy. Bam. I wonder if I was still doing coke, if I would have dealt with the van trauma. Oh, my God. I would have probably gone home if you were probably doing coke like it seems like you used to do coke.

I'd be like, fuck it. I'm out of here. Everything sucks. And I'm on drugs. And I'm on drugs. I can't sleep. You got a good team, right? I do have a great team.

And your management's good? Yeah, Brian's good. And your agent. And Rachel's good. I really like your agent. Speaking of agents. Repsy? Oh, wow.

Come on. Come on with this. Come on, Nick. I should probably start getting paid for this. Anyway, speaking of agents. Repsy. Oh, wow. Come on, come on with this. Come on, Nick. I should probably start getting paid for this. Anyway, speaking of agency, Repsy,

don't let them, don't let them try to do a sidebar. What if like, all of a sudden you go solo, like Tupac and like, Nicholas Gerlach, cult podcast brought to you by Repsy. I am looking for a title sponsor.

Floyd, get up here. Come here. I don't want him. Come on. I want to talk to Floyd. I am looking for a title sponsor. Floyd, get up here. Come here, Floyd. I don't want him. Come on, I want to talk to Floyd. He's got to go potty. You don't have to do shit, Floyd. Come on.

I get one more week until you go home. Repsy. You said Floyd didn't want to play the Midwest, so hey, stay. Don't just hit buttons. Don't just hit buttons. You are a 53-year-old woman. Here, sit down. Give him the mic for a second.

Give him the mic. What are you drinking? Blue water? What is it? It's electrolytes. Looks like Windex. Aren't electrolytes... It definitely looks like that. I feel like I drank Windex.

Aren't electrolytes just salt? I think they are. I don't think so. Floyd, we're worried about you. Really? This is why we wanted to talk. This is what's going on right now. I'm not worried about Floyd at all, actually.

You know, we had the talk three weeks ago. You were partying a little too heavy on the IPAs. I don't think I was around for this one. Oh, he was partying, not going to sound checks. Oh, you missed a sound check? What are you talking about? Excuse me. When I mean sound checks, not going to shows, you know,

because he doesn't want to deal with the band every day. I get it. What are you talking about? Help me. When I mean soundcheck's not going to shows, you know, because he doesn't want to deal with the band every day. I get it. What are you talking about? Help me out. Are you talking about when he left us in San Francisco? When he left us in San Francisco. That's a moaning sound. Stop. Don't touch anything. You're like a child. Floyd, but you've been not going to bed the last

three days. Yeah, you need to get to bed. You're not Sean Eccles. Bedtime, buddy. We need you sleeping. I went to get to bed. You're not Sean Eccles. Bedtime, buddy. We need you sleeping. I went to bed every night. You fell asleep. There's a difference. Hanging out at, what was that place last night? We don't need to say it. Midtown.

That was fun. Did you have a good time? I had a blast. Am I not allowed to have a good time? People kept giving me dirty looks. You can have a good time. I kept giving me dirty looks. You could have a good time. I kept getting dirty looks for wearing my mask. I just saw Floyd. It really felt like Berlin in there.

He was just in the front. They were singing like fucking Violent Femmes or something. I just see him doing his fucking hippie wave. A bunch of songs you don't know that are extremely well-known. It's really well-known music, and you're like, this is just like your indie crap? Hold on, Floyd. This isn't your podcast.

No, it's a Nirvana song. I told you not to invite him over here. Seriously, come here. Come here. Sit down. Sit your fucking ass down, Floyd. That's your boss. Let's talk.

I mean, have a seat. I know you're going away for a couple weeks. You are? Yeah, he's leaving us. He's leaving us after. I'm building a house. He's building a house in Nantucket. Or do you have a-

Yeah, well, no, I'm doing the electrical work. Okay, when are you leaving the store? Hold on, backtrack. Why would anyone trust your ass with electrical shit? Well, I guess it's my place, so it's, yeah. We'll see if it works. Hold on. Are you just, like, YouTubing videos?

How do... No, no. I'm working with someone that's a licensed electrician. Hey, I have a question. So how long does that take? When are you leaving tour, though? He leaves in Cleveland. He's leaving after Cleveland.

Fuck you, man. Fuck you. Okay, well, this has been fun. Just, you know. You blew my good... Fucking hate on me. Whatever. Stop with the moaning sound.

This is a professional podcast. Yeah. Let's see if you know anything about Repsy. Let's see if you can do the Repsy plug. What do you know about Repsy? Repsy is they want. Oh, my God. He's blowing it.

This is why he never listens to my podcast. He never supports anything. No, I fast forward through these parts. That's your fucking boss. Hold on a second. Do the Repsy. Okay, Repsy. If you're a band and you want to get gigs.

Okay. All right. Is it like you can pay them? No, they take a cut. They take a cut. They take a cut. They find you gigs. They find you gigs. Wait, wait, wait. Is it like, remember Sonic? No, no, no. Go to soundcheck. They find you gigs. They find you gigs.

Wait, wait, wait. Is it like, remember Sonic? No, no, no. Go to sound check. All right, we're done here. Thank you. Thank you. Give it up.

Thank you. Thanks, boy. All right, you got one more shot. Tell me what it is. You tell me. Repsy is an online booking agency. It's basically like a consulting company, where if you have an agent, they don't take a cut.

You could put your band profile on their page, and you could get shows. You need the help. You might as well get Repsy, because people are stepping on each other right now. There were six shows in New Orleans when we played. Here's the thing. Will they book a tour for you?

They'll try. Here's my only concern with Repsy. What? I don't want to pay them and my current agent when I book a gig. Another love ball. Another fucking love ball. Thank you. Let me cook.

Floyd, have fun in Cleveland. Hey, Chris. Don't talk to me for seven days, okay? Because I need to mourn this. Chris. We're going to miss you, but don't. Shut up. Go take a piss.

Chris, just go ahead and cut from the first time you hear the word Floyd to the last time you hear the word Floyd sign up for Repsy.com if you have an agent they do not take a cut I'm talking to you DJs I'm talking to you comedians

I'm talking to you bands solo artists if you juggle fuck it put your profile on there you do hot dog eating contest

fuck it Repsy will book you let's go so shout out to Repsy.com for sponsoring the podcast. Alright. Speaking of Michigan, where are we going next week? Grand Rapids. We're going to

Grand Rapids. Which apparently is the only venue you're allowed in in Grand Rapids. I could go to Detroit. Intersection. They don't care about my craziness out there. What do you mean they banned you? They called your agent and said never play? He will never play here again.

Because you did what? What'd you do? I crowd surfed. What's, that's what you do. I know, but like, they hired you,

right? They didn't want me to crowd surf. They said it was a safety protocol. Oh, but you did it anyway after they told you not to?

Yeah, and I was like, Andy, I was like, kind of bitch. I'm like, Andy, I don't drink fucking IPAs.

I don't get the idea of these like, I don't really like them either. You know, like I'm not talking shit about people who breweries, like I love breweries, but like, Andy. I don't drink fucking IPAs. I don't get the idea of these. I don't really like them either. You know, like I'm not talking shit about people who breweries. Like I love breweries, but like, you know, just hook me up some Jameson. Yeah, you're right. I don't want to be chugging IPAs and have acid reflux. Here's the thing about playing a brewery.

What? They have to keep those places incredibly clean. They always have, they can be stale. Well, that was the wrong no that's the wrong one they shouldn't have booked me then yeah

I'm not a clean guy when I'm on stage I'm spraying beer everywhere what'd you yeah look them up you know you know what you booked

do your research founders yeah I was banned by when we played in Salt Lake City that guy I had to

stateroom I had to send him flowers for three years saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What did you do there? Smoked a joint on stage. And I think I did a big old line of coke in the green room.

And I think I just left the remnants. I also was talking about... I'm so glad I didn't know you. Three years ago or whatever. Yeah, I was pretty wild. No, I'm better glad I didn't know you. Three years ago or whatever. Yeah, I was pretty wild. No, I'm better now. Seems like a frat boy to me. Got him.

That's called a callback, people. Oh, my God. We're over this. All right. We got to tell the show is because we have Moon Taxi. Okay, let's see if you know the dates this week. Okay. Where are we playing Tuesday?

Grand Rapids. Detroit. On Wednesday? Buffalo. Thursday? Then we jet on down to Covington. Okay. Where are we playing Tuesday? Grand Rapids. Detroit. On Wednesday? Buffalo. Thursday? Then we jet on down to Covington. Nope. Wrong. Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. Then down to Covington. Yep. Then up to Cleveland. Up to Cleveland.

Then a few days off. What do you want to do in Cleveland? Can we look at LeBron statues? Do they have any of those? Yeah. I love Cleveland sports teams. I do too, but I heard Cleveland's a shithole. It's not a sh a shithole no that's what people who have never been to cleveland say about cleveland why do people why okay give me this every city why is cleveland have such a bad rep well one time the river caught on fire there remember that in the 70s what no just a rust belt city people just probably from fucking people one city over talking shit. Who cares? Every city has a shitty part.

Every city has a good part. You know what I mean? Well... Yeah, if you only watch The Wire, you'd think Baltimore's the worst place on Earth, but, you know, it's actually a nice city. It is a good city. Oh, really?

Great. Good stuff, guys. Very pro. I guess that's the cue. Very pro. I think they know that we're doing podcasts now. Who's on the pods today? We got Moontax.

Oh, I love those guys. I know them. It was fun. We played with Mempho Fest with them. They're big Howard Stern fans. I used to play saxophone with them sometimes. Really? I have sat in with them a bunch.

My old band, Cousy's Butter, we did a whole run where we opened for them. Yeah, I think we might go on tour with them for a couple weeks. I love those dudes. Yeah, it'll be fun. Killing band. They're fucking badass. Great songwriters. Hot guys. Very hot. Yeah, it'll be fun. Killing band. They're fucking badass. Great songwriters. Hot guys.

Very hot. So come out to our shows. Come see Nick. You've been killing the opening set. Oh, man. I think I've been doing great, actually. Yeah. Your new songs are getting better.

Yep. I think you just got to play them more. It's a process. Yeah, it's true. I'm trying out new shit on this run. I like your new Jimmy Buffett song. Thanks, man. It does sound a little bit like a Jimmy Buffett song.

That's not an insult. He's a very typical cover. I'm clapping new Jimmy Buffett song. Thanks, man. It does sound like a little bit like a Jimmy Buffett. That's not an insult. He's a very I'm clapping for you. That was good. Some people will get mad if you compared him to something, but he sold a ton of records. I don't get why people

get mad when Who gives a fuck, man? Who gives a fuck? Be compared. It's good that you're getting compared to shit. Yeah. I'm sorry I compared you

to a very successful songwriter with millions of fucking sales. I'm sorry. I think, a very successful songwriter with millions of fucking sales. I'm sorry. I think, why are people so insecure about that? Guess what? No one's that unique. There's like 18 different kinds of people. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It ain't that deep, people. You got two arms and two legs and you say dumb shit all the time just like everybody else. Wow, so motivating to finish off. Anyway, I love Moon Taxi. Yeah, they're good. So they're going to be on the show. We got Wes and Tommy from Moon Taxi. Who? Wes

and Tommy. Oh man, I love Wes. That's a keyboard guy. They're good people. Did he talk about his little solo record he did? No. Oh, he did a solo AP. It's good. They love Howard Stern though, so we talked about it. God damn it! I think they want us. Bam!

Nah, it's fine. We got to end this. We are almost fucking done. All right. I got to go to sound check. I love you, Moon Taxi. Go enjoy Moon Taxi. I miss you.

Have a great day. Motivational speech during Black... What's the song called? Black and Black. I don't know. It's ACDC. I hate to say it. All right.

I fucking don't like ACDC. No? Let's go. All right. We're out of here. Dumb. Let's go. Okay. Enjoy Moon Taxi. I got a sound check. I love you I fucking don't like ACDC. No? Let's go. All right, we're out of here. Dumb. Let's go. Okay.

Enjoy Moon Taxi. I got a sound check. I love you. Bye. Have a great week. Be good to each other. Be good to your neighbor. Tell Floyd why he's leaving the tour and give him shit about it.

Fuck Floyd. We can't wait to have Chris, though, because we love Chris, too. All right. Goodbye, Nick. I love you, America. And stay happy. Stay inspired. I love you. I love you. and stay happy stay inspired I love you I love you we're in this shit together

keep fighting the good fight we're gonna follow these dreams together let's fucking go now I gotta go rock out to Fayetteville Arkansas I love you bye alright next up on the interview hour we have Wes and Tom from Moon Taxi yes hey Chris play some Moon Taxi. Yes.

Hey, Chris, play some Moon Taxi while I pimp these guys out. Moon Taxi, awesome band. We played with them in Menfo Fest. We played with them a couple years ago at Gasparella Fest. This was the first time we really had a conversation and got to know them. They're big Howard Stern fans. They kind of did the same route we did in the beginning years where they kind of played all the SEC college towns and whatnot

and was going and doing their thing. And then they took a couple years to make a record and kind of changed their sound a little bit, and then they just started blowing up. And I'm really proud to be their friends, and I think you're going to enjoy this interview. It gives a good insight on just developing a band and pushing hard through all the outcomes to keep following the dream.

All right, guys, enjoy Moon Taxi. But where would I begin? Because I sink when I swim And I lose when I win How do I keep it, keep it Together with a hole in my heart How do I keep it, keep it Together when I'm falling apart

Keep it together, keep it together Keep it together How do I keep it, keep it Keep it together, keep it together Now I can see how you may have inspired that. Oh, Tom and Wes. How you doing, boys? Hey, Andy. How are you, man? I'm good, dude.

Just trying to survive this music industry. How are you, man? I'm good, dude. Just trying to survive this music industry. How about y'all? Same thing, man. Hey, same. Same, yeah. Tell me that story. It's coming back. We're coming back.

Yeah. Tell me that story. Tell the audience that story. You guys wrote a song at my party? Well, so I went out there with my friend Max. We went out there to play golf at this really nice course called Valley Neil with Don Strasburg, who you probably, you probably know Don. Yeah.

And we went out there and played with him. And then we had two more days off in Denver. We want to go see strict cheese incidents. So it was all street cheese. And after that, we wound up at your dance party. We just, we had just missed the dance portion of it oh shit and i was already high as shit on mushrooms so i didn't even recognize y'all from moon tax yeah we were like talking i'm like dude god you guys look so familiar and then like at the end of the night

i was like just um someone told me dude that's I'm like, fuck, dude. I didn't even realize, dude. How y'all doing? Good, man. Yeah? How's it been? How's quarantine? How's being dads? Give me the whole lowdown.

I'll let you land on the dad's portion, Wes. Yeah, well, as of 5-17 this morning, we have one more uh moon taxi baby in the fold let's fucking go yeah so tyler are yeah so that's number seven um of the mt babies uh tyler had his daughter uh camila uh this morning there's second he's got a two-year-old named Isla. I just had my second on September 19th, so just about three weeks ago. And yeah, so within, it's crazy. Spencer was the first to have a couple kids, and it wasn't until late 2019 that I had mine, and that just started the barrage of children. We went from two moon taxi kids to seven within, you know, a couple of years. So we've been getting busy.

All of a sudden, everyone's just coming. Coming. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they call them, I guess, children of the corn, like children of the quarantine. Children of the moon. Of the moon. Yeah, exactly. What's it like being a dad and having to travel all the time?

Man, I'm new to it because I had my first, like I said, in late 2019, and then everything shut down. So, you know, we were all, you know, Trevor had his in December last year. So we were all very, you know, able to help our wives. We were at home, we weren't on the road. So this is a kind of a new thing. Fortunately, my wife had her mom in town for a while. It takes help to answer your question. I mean, it's not something you can do or your wife can do on her own. You got to have family close or at least friends that can come help out or you just, you know, hire a sitter, whatever it takes. It's, it, it takes a village.

Yeah. But it's good. I mean, you know, we've kind of gotten to that point in our career where we're not torn for, you know, months on end, like we probably used to do a decade ago. So we're kind of picking and choosing the right routing and our management and agent has been really helpful with that. They're awesome. So it's not too strenuous. We get to go home quite a bit. We're home most of the time during the week, which is good. And we kind of have found the best markets for us and we kind of continue to go back to those. So yeah,

everything's just done in a very efficient way so we're able to balance you know home life and and road life do you think um do you like that how how does it affect like like um routine for your band if you guys are just playing on the weekends and stuff um it's not too it doesn't affect it too much. I will say, I think all of us have really learned time management. I mean, especially after having my second one these past three weeks, it's like, okay, you have an hour, you need to finish the bridge of this song or whatever it might, you know, you just, you crank it out.

I mean, you utilize every little minute of your spare time. And you know, you're like, I'm going to shower from 105 to 110. I'm going to, you know, get the logic session open. I'm going to have the drum sounds by, you know, one, time and you know you're like i'm gonna shower from 105 to 110 i'm gonna you know get the logic session open i'm gonna have the drum sounds by you know one what you know it's just very regimented it's like freaking military level uh preparedness and stuff so uh and tommy here does not have kids and he's just kind of living the the bachelor life so it's a completely opposite schedule for him, but I can only speak to, you know, what the fathers in the band are probably going through.

Well, let's talk to the bachelor. Are you getting bored out there, Tom? Can't play as much? No, I'm not getting bored at all. I'm actually busier than I've ever been. So, you know, I had a breakup back in May. What happened? Well, just, you know, COVID happened and it just wasn't right. You know, there had a breakup back in May and what happened and we owned a,

well, just, you know, COVID happened and just went right. You know, just it's, there's a lot to it. There was no something that happened. But you know, that's just the way the world works. And so I bought a new house and buying this house was a lot. And then, you know, moving into it basically from scratch was a lot too. So like, you know, I get here and I don't really have a whole lot of furniture to fill it out. So it's like, okay, now what do you do? Well, you gotta go, you gotta get a couch, um, you know, and then I'm like, what do I do? Like I've never like furnished a place before.

So then I'm just texting all my girlfriends and like, Hey, okay, what do you do here? I need your help. Um, and, and like they'd come over and they'd be like, okay, this is where you should put your couch. You know, this is where you should put your coffee table and all that kind of stuff and i'm still trying to work on it and i just you know um us coming back home for just a few days and we just saw you at mempho yeah um and i've had like three days here to uh to kind of look at it and work on it and figure out what else i need but it's getting there what tommy bought tommy bought danny clinch's uh record player really i did yeah i did fuck the bed i did buy

that it's right there oh yeah fuck the bed fuck the tv i need a record i had i had a i had a bed i did have a bed um Yeah. That's great. What was the hardest part about being alone during the quarantine? I wasn't alone during the quarantine. This is all post-quarantine. Oh, so you had your chick and then it just didn't work out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's kind of one of those things. It's like, you know, you end up around each other so much. Either you're going to get closer or you might get, you know, pushed away. Yeah. You might hate each other. Yeah. Yeah. It's like.

It wasn't even like that. It was just like, you Yeah, it might hate you too. Yeah, it's like a... Yeah, it wasn't even like that. It was just like, you know, it's just kind of... It's not really how it should be. Yeah, that's basically my question is like, you guys had this life before quarantine. Maybe the dads in the band have already been settling into this idea of being at home more. But I think it's got it's gotta be hard for

the mind for people. Like when you bail, base your relationships on you just being on the road all the time. And then all of a sudden, bam, we're with each other every day. It's gotta be, uh, how hard was that for both of you guys? Well, yeah. I mean, for me, you know, I'm a super social person. I like to go out and I like to do things, you know, I'm a super social person. I like to go out and I like to do things. I'll hang out with my friends and then also play shows. I just love the idea of being around a lot of people. When we're shut down and I can't be with my friends, I can't play shows,

I'm basically locked away in a house. I domesticated. I learned how to cook. I started exercising and made my bed every morning and all the kind of things that I think most people do all the time. And so now I still keep a lot of those habits. But I'm also excited to be able to go out and play these shows again. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was important for me, too. I really got into cooking

um i think it was probably good for creative people during the quarantine to try other stuff you know i think it was probably you know because they were locked inside obviously you can make music and do that but you know since you're not playing shows you have all this extra time to learn something else uh for me, it was also learning parenting. Fatherhood was kind of my big project in quarantine. But yeah, cooking. And I think, you know, I've talked to a lot of friends of mine like Tommy who, you know, now can cook a really great dinner for themselves, you know, and host a party. And, you know, it's so these kind of little skills that you didn't know that you had, you know, you kind of learned your way around them in the quarantine,

which I think is super cool. What about flaws that you found out you had when you're by yourself? Yeah. I'm sure there are a few of those. What do you got? What did you realize about yourself that you're like, ooh, maybe I should work on that? Yeah, maybe. I'm work on that. Yeah.

I'm a little messy. I'm not going to lie. I'd kind of leave shit laying around that I probably shouldn't. I need to put the towel back on the rack after I use it, not on the bed, you know, just stuff like that. I'm just trying to be a, and I just thought thought i just do that you know i don't know yeah trying to be a little more clean a little more tidy i guess yeah yeah i mean well that's that's the same thing it's like you know it's kind of what we just said it's like you know you there's a good question because like you you um identify these flaws you're like okay cool what

are you gonna do about it and it's like for me like I used to sleep a lot later. I can get up pretty early now, um, and get a lot more done throughout the day. Um, yeah. You know, not knowing how to, how to cook. I mean, I mean, I bake bread now, you know, I can bake a loaf of bread, which is ridiculous. I'll clap to that. Let's go. Let's fucking go boys. Yeah. I mean, it's stupid. I actually really want to bake a loaf today. I just won't have time to eat it because we have shows tomorrow and Saturday. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, going back to that question about getting the band, you guys used to hit it really hard, right? How many shows were you doing in the beginning years? There was a time where we would do around 160 or so a year, I think, which is a lot, you know, and then you had in travel days and you're gone. I mean, the long, the longest tour, I think we did, we affectionately called disaster. Um,

we call it that because, well, um, nothing happened really. It just, nobody came. I mean, yeah. Andy, this is eventually going to be a book. The Chronicles of the Disaster. Hold on. What happened? What were you just nothing? You guys weren't popping yet. What year was this? No, we were not popping yet. Yeah. 2010. No, no. Yeah. We weren't, we weren't, we didn't have any business touring the country. Um, this was pre Spotify.

I don't think the word was out about us and we had a, you know, very naive, young, nice agent, fresh out of college. Um, that was kind of giving the keys to the castle at this agency and, you know, kind of just booked us where at any place that would let us play. Um, and it didn't matter if it was, oh, let's play in Ithaca and then go down to, you know, Richmond the next day. It's like, okay, we're in a van, dude.

This is like nine hours. So the routing was whack. It was very exhausting. People weren't really showing up. I remember one venue we played in South Haven, Michigan. We pulled up and on the marquee, instead of it saying Moon Taxi tonight,

it said venue for sale. And we thought, oh, this isn't good. You know, is this place even like functioning but um yeah nobody came to that one no one came to that yeah we had an opening band we had an opening band i remember i went hung out with them afterwards and had a blast um yeah i mean like just make them whatever friends you can yeah were you guys like uh like surviving on the road or were you like like you guys had money saved up or like was it really that was it hard like back then we could we were playing some frat parties and that would kind of love the tank a little bit um and let you take a risk and some of those shows that we're talking about you know those were like i think we'd get like 500 bucks a night you know so that

could keep you going we'd all pile into one hotel room um yeah one hotel room yeah five of us and our lighting director joey um we'd rotate who got to sleep and who got to share a bed um and then two people would sleep on the floor why did you feel like a lighting director was important in the beginning years great question andy we're still trying to figure that out uh well no to me to me i mean we had the we bought the lights we bought these cool lights that were like they were they were called hybrid something they were led with also like a you know a main beam and develop these led lights around the sides. It's kind of like flames shooting out sometimes. And we had three of them

and you had to have somebody to run them. And I think it just added to kind of set us apart for that level of a band, I guess. Yeah. They sound like shit, but man, they look awesome. But I mean, it doesn't matter if no one's coming.

There's probably a lot of good pictures. Yeah. Yeah. How important is marketing, you know, and building this, you know, this mystique that we're a bigger band than you were to in the beginning years, you know, it feels like that's like half the battle in the beginning. You know, so we were early on on we had a really hard time selling tickets in nashville right we had our friends coming over you know to our shows and all that and we were actually doing bigger numbers like birmingham and maybe knoxville and um bowling school cities yeah tuscaloosa and stuff.

And so we decided, you know, we'll just take a break from Nashville, take a lot of pictures of these other things that are going on and post those. And, you know, then that's when I feel like the national market kind of started paying attention was when it looked like we were doing better elsewhere. People were like, what's going on here? What are these guys doing?

Isn't it weird how, like, I'm from from la so it's kind of the same vibe like i didn't bring anyone to my fucking hometown until i was popping everywhere else like in kansas and shit my motherfuckers dude like fuck off right yeah where are you guys from originally yeah three of the guys are from birmingham trevor tommy and tyler um i'm from knoxville tennessee and uh spencer is from bowling green kentucky so we all met at belmont though well i met the guys at belmont tommy and trevor knew each other prior um and we all the band was formed at belmont here in nashville. I heard you guys were a college band. You used to back up rappers and stuff? Yeah.

That was... Trevor and I met Spencer the first day of school at Belmont. We all immediately hit it off. Spencer had just met these two rap guys who needed a backing band. He started writing tracks for them. It's called Blaze and Knowledge.

We wound up playing a school showcase um which i feel like most of school goes it's probably a couple thousand people with them and then we won that and we got to play at the rhyme and it opened for eddie money um really no no yeah that's the shit, dog. Yeah. Did you meet him? No, we didn't meet him. I don't know that we were given the opportunity to. I was in a velour suit, and I felt like I was just hotter than shit. I mean, I was like, I feel awesome. Like, just play the rhyme, and I'm in a velour suit.

This is the shit. Like, solid black. I was on a high, it was great so from being a college band did you guys like uh quit school or did you guys graduate or what happened oh we all graduated one at a time i don't think any of us graduated at the same time like semesters apart so were you like were you regionally just playing shows on the weekends like how'd you keep the band together while you were yeah going to school so um i was booking shows for us while we were in college i'll never forget where i was the first time i got one booked

in auburn that was our first like out of town show and i was like outside some music class uh waiting to go in i finally get the email back saying uh or the call he goes um yeah uh okay here's the deal we'll uh book you at coyotes for a guarantee of 300 versus 85 of the door and two hotel rooms i'm like holy shit i wrote it all down i'm like okay what thanks man and you know set the date i was like what does this shit mean he's gonna pay us 300 he's gonna pay us to come down this is ridiculous um and the only way to get in there was again it's that marketing kind of thing that we're talking about earlier i kept calling this place and they said we never heard of you we won't book you've never heard of you won't book you well i had a bunch of friends that went to all so i had one of them go in there um and just talk up the band to

the bartenders it's like oh have you ever heard of Moon Taxi? They're awesome, blah, blah, blah. Next time I called, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah. And that's when I got my first booking. Just some guerrilla warfare. Dude, that's what I started doing, too. I made up a name for my booking agency, and I was like, I'm Drew Mitchell. I represent Andy Frasco.

This guy fucking sells out everywhere. Of course, yeah. just lying my ass off. But you just have to get your foot in the door. And once you're in, then you can kind of rearrange how you're going to do it. Right, you just got to get that history. Yeah, totally. Like, Wes, what was your part in marketing, or what was your part in the band earlier in the years?

I was the social media guy, and I basically made every one of our show flyers look like a Hooters calendar. Just to try to attract, because it was pretty masculine music at the time, very proggy. So I was sort of going for that demographic. Some of those images were removed. They violated community guidelines, so that was kind of a bitch. But yeah, I was early on kind of a bitch but um yeah i was early on kind of the social media guy i've recently started to more so pass that torch to tyler our

drummer he's been really good at fan engagement a lot better than i was at that so that's been really good but um yeah so i i sort of you know did a lot of that and you know we all sort of helped out on the road. We loaded. Going back to Tommy's thing about those lights, I just remembered. We never bought. I don't think we could afford cases for them. So we had the boxes with the styrofoam. Every day, it was like unboxing an Amazon package.

It was like, oh. So hold on. Backtrack a little bit. So you had to like, you roll it in there like it's like a like a like it's like a garage sale right exactly yeah every show yeah be careful with the boxes guys we need those yeah we need those boxes easy on the box dude come on yeah do you remember we we were we returned them to guitar center after the tour, too. Really? I'm just kidding. No, we did not do that. I would totally do that. Yeah, pretty brilliant.

That's pretty brilliant. What was your first travel vehicle like? That was Barbara. What was it? Tell me about her. Well, Barbara was basically like a conversion van. It was a big Dodge Ram, like a conversion van um like it was a big dodge ram like conversion family van um the the back seat folded into a bed uh you push this lever and it would you know electronically

fold into a bed it had a tv with the vcr set two captain's chairs and then two captain's chairs up front driver and passenger and it was great it was perfect yeah it really was it was a great band uh with the tow hitch um bought that from our buddy justin hamill who uh works at a radio station here and uh actually his dad um and um barbara died in birmingham i think um she started having a really hard problem with um antifreeze i think like there's there's something these old bands they have some pipe that goes all the way to the back for some reason for antifreeze and that kept leaking and then finally it was just too hard to fix sold it to a guy uh sold her to a guy um who drove in from somewhere in west tennessee i'm like and he was so excited

about buying it i'm like this guy wants this fucking thing Tennessee. I'm like, and he was so excited about buying it. I'm like, this guy wants this fucking thing. This is a piece of shit. And he was so excited about buying it. And we settled on $1,700 for him to buy it and shows up with like 1550 in cash. And I'm like, dude, like, you know, you were over here yesterday and you said 1700 bucks and you're going to short me 150. He's like, I got to have gas money to get home. I'm like, that's fine. You don't fuck it. And just sold it to him thinking, you're not going to short me 150 he's like i gotta have gas money to get home i'm like that's fine you know fuck it and just sold it to him thinking you're not gonna make it home

anyway bro i mean whatever what was the hardest from again he was so excited about that man what was the hardest part about like do you remember a time in your career where like you guys almost like quit or gave up on each other? Yeah, probably after disaster. I remember, I think we were somewhere in Virginia and just at our absolute lowest kind of talking like, Spencer, what are you going to do? It's like, I don't know. I kind of want to get the real estate law. What about you? I want to, you know, when those conversations started to creep in like the

plan b you know was rising into the conversation or kind of creeping into the conversation um that's when i think we you know probably had to look at what we were doing and how we were doing it um you know make some managerial changes some just general restructuring of the team um and really it was our the thing that really was our guiding light that the general restructuring of the team. And really, it was our the thing that really was our guiding light that the light at the end of the tunnel was our album that we were working on throughout that disaster called Cabaret, which took about two years to do. We tried live tracking it and it really wasn't hitting the right spots. It just didn't feel very cool. So we took two years to really get that album

right and really hone in on our sound and that that like really got us through that whole dark period was just you know nose to the grind working on songs trying to you know just really put more emphasis on the songwriting and album production because at that time it was you know kings of leon now there was there was just like a whole wave of bands that you know weren't country that were more alternative that were sort of in our you know arena that were really blowing up yeah and it was just mgmt and you're like just cooler production was sort of like i i guess because spotify was starting to come out and music was more easily shared at the time. So you could get something that wasn't just commercial radio pop that could really take off.

So that excited us. And, you know, that was a world we wanted to live in. We wanted to play Coachella. We wanted to, you know, kind of get a little bit more diversity because the jam, you know, if you can go the grassroots jam touring route to to build your brand touche hats off that's amazing but you know we wanted just a little more kind of a little we wanted to live in a we didn't want to just pigeonhole ourselves yeah in that world um and and the music itself we were doing at the time i don't think was super exciting for anyone in the band we kind of wanted to be a

little more experimental and and have the songs you know because there were just so many lyrics in our songs then it was like you know just like no one could there were no hooks i mean no one could really sing along it wasn't very fun to play live and just have people sort of you know do the windmill it was just like this is not our scene. You know, we don't like this. So, um, yeah, it was really that album and making that album that kind of got us through that whole dark period. Well, that's great. I mean, shout out for fucking being a perfectionist guys. Hell yeah. I would have said, fuck it. We're going, we're going live. We're doing it. Um, but so, all right. So I got a a couple questions about this is what i

wanted to get to because like yeah you're first like a jam in the jam scene in a way and then uh when you moved on to different you know different type of music like did you lose a lot of fans did they call you sellouts like what what was like going on through that while you're building your new fan base to the sound you wanted? There was maybe a little pushback from some of the jam fans. We made the decision, and we still get crap for it, about every day on our social media, to pull some of our early, early albums off of Spotify. Spotify because sonically they just weren't, they're not, it'd be a very random kind of fidelity in the mix of our other album. And the songs were just not really behind them.

There's an early album melodica that we kind of were like, this just, this was just a total rebranding that we felt like we needed to do about 2011, 2010. And honestly, we didn't have that many fans to piss off we might have had you know a few dozen in each market you know but they didn't really care um you know and it's weird i listened to an interview with with kevin parker from tame and paula he's like bands get shit when they change their sound so much worse than an artist and when tame and paula became just like hey it's kevin parker here like this is my thingame Impala became just like, hey, it's Kevin Parker here. Like, this is my thing.

He can kind of do whatever he wants. And it's this weird kind of unfair world that bands live in where, you know, they're just so easily offensive to their fan base if they change their sound or, you know, have a little commercial success. But, you know, we've enjoyed've enjoyed the ride you know we're just going to do write songs and put out songs that we like and we know that we'll be really good lives

so we've we've at least kept that ethos the whole way through whether the style may have changed and we still do a fair amount of jamming too yeah i watch your set i watch your set of memphis and you guys are fucking straight in dude yeah i mean i I don't just come to the show and quit telling us what to play. You know, it's like, right. And, and, and melodica is, um, you know, it's still on Apple music from what I know, uh, melodica and my ride. So both of those are, Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. I mean, and for a while there, it was like, man, you guys pulled melodica. I can't find it anywhere. I'm like, dude, go on iTunes, spend nine 99.

You'll get all 16 tracks or whatever it is, including the Didgeridoo solo. You can, you know, like, quit your bitching. It's all right there. Pony up $10. Didgeridoo solo, it really is on there, too. There is. Why do fans think they're entitled to what you should play?

I think they just want to be, I think they just feel like they're a part of it. And I respect that and appreciate it. Yeah. No. Yeah. A little bit. I mean,

you know, one of the, one of our favorite bands that we've toured with and they're great people. I know, you know, Andy are the Umphreys McGee guys. Yeah. And you know, they've got such a devoted fan base but man they talk so much

shit I mean it is it's like the Howard Stern fan base they love the guy man they yeah they just rip them apart and their road manager and I were talking about he's like man they're so dedicated but man they're just vicious sometimes you know it's like i guess how it goes i mean when

you have that community around you know your band it's it's like a family you know if one family member's stepping out of line or if song's too popular whatever you're gonna piss some people off i don't know it's a weird there's there i mean there's fish fans out there like that too i remember seeing fish at bonnaroo and i was uh i was going back to nashville i think afterwards i was sitting at a hotel room waiting on my ride i was talking to some huge fish fan and uh he was just like yeah i give that show a c minus i'm like the fuck like c minus that show was fucking awesome what's wrong with you i went to? I went to the fish show with this chick who's a mega fish fan. They kicked into Susie Greenberg. She started screaming, no!

Boom! Like, what is this? Is that Bari? What is this? It was, like, so just militant. All of a sudden, like, what's happening right now? It's like, this is a weird thing. So, yeah, I think it it's just that's all part of

the development when you're growing your band and you're having to open for all these different fan bases and stuff and a lot of bands don't let us open for them you know like umphrey's will but like a lot of bands think we're just too wild and they won't let us open for them so it's like i don't get that as much you know i, I had to like, kind of do the grassroot thing and just like, you know, play every sec school. I remember you guys, um, we play, we'd always used to play Georgia's majestic and you got, it always been felt like you guys were playing there the night before in favor. We always missed you. And I knew everyone kept talking about you guys. Like, cause I, I did that same circle oklahoma states fayetteville's you

know the whole circle you guys were doing what was the moment in your career so after you took that two years to make that record what was that big moment where you finally said holy shit this is working definitely boner in 2012 right yeah yeah percent. That was, that was kind of like all the hard work kind of, um, um, accumulating into this one big set where all the work we've done all around the Southeast where we're doing, you know,

a couple hundred people here and a couple hundred people there, these different frat parties that we've been playing. All of a sudden we get to our set, we get, you know, a great slot at Bonnaroo in that tent. Thursday night. That was what we were supposed to do this year and it got canceled.

Yeah. See, dude, that's huge. They'll book you next time. That's the slot though. Cause people are in there, they're fresh, they're still clean. You know, they're super excited to see some music and, you know, everybody was just amped up for a great show and our turnout was you know about five to ten times bigger than i thought it was going to be i was expecting a couple thousand people and it was like 15 000 i was like holy shit okay well put up or shut up and we went out there and we just crushed it yeah it was really good really really lit the show and and from and after that everywhere we went um we had people showing up it was anywhere in

the country yeah yeah i mean it'll be seattle it'll be south florida someone will go i was at your bonnaroo 2012 set you know and most of the time i mean we were the last band on the lineup the button you had to get a magnifying glass to see our name i couldn't believe we got the slot that we did as like low as they build us um but it was fun it was almost like we're not next to last we're dead stinking last like we've got to you know climb this mountain prove to our you know this completely prove that you know we're not just some you, Bud Light tent band that you'd never hear about again. Like we really wanted to prove our, our, you know, staying power. So we, yeah, we worked so hard on that set and we really, like Tommy said, we did,

we did smoke it. It was just a game changer. I mean, and we had just dropped that album Cabaret. So there's a little familiarity with with some of those songs. So that felt good. And, you know, it was, I think it was interesting because our manager who we were just starting to work with at the time was like, you know, I got you all that slot by basically saying, you know, Bonnaroo smack dab in the middle of all of these markets, all these SEC markets that come out to see these guys and they're all going to be there. You'll have a lot of people there. It'll be a good, you know,

so it was a really good sell. I'm, you know, I don't need to know that we'd be sitting here talking to you if we didn't have that slot. I mean, it was really, yeah, really. That's crazy. It really was. What about, um, so what about like, um, guys on your side, like bands that were on your side besides Umphreys McGee, like who are you looking up to throughout this progression?

The bands that let us open for them, there were few and far between, but Modest Yahoo let us do a lot of stuff. Our manager also managed him. And, you know, after, actually, right after that tour,

Modest took us out for like 50 dates or something like that, which is great. Yeah, it was great. That was when he was popping too. Yeah. Those shows were fun. Those guys are awesome.

He's a cool guy. Then we did another tour with him, I guess like a year later maybe, with him and Dirty Heads. We've become good friends with those guys too. Um, they were actually with me when I bought that, uh, that a record player from Danny Clinch. We were playing the same festival up there in Asbury park, New Jersey. Um,

so yeah, it's, it's just, it's really fun to like, you know, like when you first start touring, you don't really have that many friends, right? Like, like peers out on the road. And then then for that matter like friends in the different cities you go to and then the more you do it and the longer you do it the more friends you make and so like you know we're going to like we go to columbia south carolina a few weeks ago right we've got some friends there and maybe go get dinner with them or hang out with them after the show like that that kind of kind of stuff makes it all, um, much better for me. And then making friends like Dirty Heads, you know, you play a festival and you see those guys and catch up. Um,

that's one of the best parts for me for touring. What about you, Wes? Uh, yeah. I mean, you know, we've, I'm just thinking about all the friends we've made, you know, in those early years that we're still good friends with um it's great i mean yeah we we pretty much have got some friends or people we know tommy and i play a lot of golf so we'll go play golf yeah we play a lot of golf you play andy i'm i mean i i'm not good but i'm competitive as fuck so yeah i'd definitely play with y'all let's go yeah that'd be fun let's do

it let's fucking yeah dude i'm here yeah you guys are what my ass because you guys are probably you know seasoned do you guys go a lot yeah tommy how you probably play what two three times a week at least yeah i played a charity event for uh habitat for humanity um yesterday two days ago um with these guys who are uh they run the national speedway they're're doing a bunch of NASCAR stuff up there. Um, I was on their team. We did not win, but I did get the closest to the pin on one hole. So I think I won like an iPad or something, um, which, you know, I don't know if I should accept it. Cause I mean, it is like a charity event,

you know, so I'm kind of like, um, I don't want to, you know, accept a gift from a charity. You know what I mean? I'm just like, that's funny. Yeah. Yeah. I feel the same way. No, no, no. Keep the, keep the money. I mean, it's like, you know, I don't know. It's like that same feeling you get like, and I don't want to equate these two things in any way, but it's like, you know, you go to the zoo and you look at the animals.

You're like, oh, wow, that's great. I get to see the animals, but at the same time, you're like, hey, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's crazy, man. Like, you know, growing up in birmingham were you guys close for like the drive-by trucker dudes or like panic or any of those guys we don't we don't know them um but um their uh their lighting director did our that bonnaroo show that we were talking about oh he did the lights for us yeah he fogged it he fogged the shit out

of it and uh and the lights look great yeah anyway that's about as close as we get to them what was the first time when you you know like you said you're like before you're starting to do like backtracks and stuff how hard was the transition of going into backtracks from being a full band live band? It took, I mean, for a while we tried to do it with just, you talking about backing tracks that are drummer triggers. Yeah. Yeah. Like kind of like, yeah, the trigger. Yeah. Yeah. We tried to do it with monitors for a little while. That was kind of a disaster.

I remember Dave Shaw talking to him about, he's like, dude, you all have to get in your monitors. You're in the business of sounding good you know it's what you gotta do i remember him saying you're in the business of sounding good like that's pretty damn good dave i like that yeah so yeah once we made the transition we you know our crew doubled i mean we we then brought out a sound guy monitor guy um it was it was a good transition i think we're actually more recently getting a little bit tired of it. I think our drummer feels like he's just playing along to a laptop sometimes.

You know, sometimes that's okay. Some of those sounds have their place. We were playing a show at the Caverns, and it was one of the first shows back down in Pelham, Tennessee. This was, I think, April this year. And it glitched up on us. And we felt very naked when the track kind of cut out. And our manager was like, guys, this is not the band you all are.

You shouldn't have to rely on this. You're great players. You can build a nice big sound without track. So I think we're trying to sort of re-evaluate that part of what we're doing and maybe you know do more live tracking in the studio and just kind of very carefully pick and choose what we add um you know because i mean it got a little to these past couple records i mean we love the songs but i think in hindsight some of the production may have been a little over the top because you've you know you get into a practice room and you go what the hell do i play like you know i'm yeah dude i find

myself just playing pads tommy's just playing 808s it's like what it you know yeah it's just it's it's kind of tough that's not who we are like we love to rip play you know tommy was a music major i've played my whole life we all can really play i'm not to toot our own horn but you know that's something i think we want to probably bring back into the fold a little more and you know not turn into fish where it's just 30 minute jams but you know just bring a little more of a live presentation i mean at the time that at the time the argument for it was like you know we're competing it felt like we were competing with edm right and and they've got just so much shit going on in all their tracks and it's like okay well how do we get

bigger to get you know um you know on par with with those kind of shows and um and it's really like that's actually not what we should be doing i don don't think. Um, yeah. We're going back on that. I do love having a click, um, in my ear because for certain songs, like, you know, now you can like have complete silence for a bar and then everybody comes right back in, you know, on the, on the money, which is awesome. Yeah. And it's gotta be hard too. Cause like you said, like it takes you two years to perfect these sounds and these tones on these records like you want to emulate the record as much as you can you know it's like it's gotta be like a push and pull with that shit yeah no i know

you do and you don't i mean like so like yeah like in our previous records we would you know play them live before we went out and you know um record like before we recorded them like we'd play them as a band and this last record we did a lot less of that so i think moving forward we're going to do a lot more live playing together um and hash it out so that the live the song feels live on the record i guess are you guys playing, are you guys with playing less and playing bigger shows?

Like I think of like arena shows and shit. Like it's gotta be harder and more stressful to get that arena sound. Like that's why I feel like, you know, like the backing tracks and stuff makes sense when you're playing these fucking huge ass rooms where it's like, you really gotta fill out a big-ass sound.

Yeah. Yeah, mostly in kind of the low-end stuff, for sure, the 808. Yeah, that was the motivation, too. We were playing bigger rooms, and that was starting to affect some of the production. And now we've actually added on the road a saxophone player. You saw her the other night.

She is bad as fuck, dude. Holy shit, dude. Shout out to Amber. Dude, shout out. Amber. Killing it. Yeah, she's great. She plays with Trigger Hippie, you know that band?

Oh, no shit. Yeah, Joan Osborne used to be in that band. But yeah, she's great. I think the word's kind of getting out about her. And hopefully we can hang on to her as long as we can. But yeah, she's great i think the words kind of getting out about her and you know hopefully we can hang on to her as long as we can but um yeah she's amazing so yeah we just preferred some of these sounds because we we went through a phase i think it was like during uptown funk we're like oh saxophones can be cool and on records wow that's kind of novel so we put a shitload of

horns on our daybreaker album and let the record play. And so, you know, live, I'll take a synth solo instead. But it's like, damn, this was really meant to be like that SNL, sexy sax kind of vibe. So having her has been great because, you know, those are some of our fans' favorite songs. And to actually have sax live has been super cool. And it's just a great instrument to write little hooks on, has been super cool and it's just a great instrument to write little hooks on too i mean it's just it's it's just a great we we just love having warrants yeah what was your decide like how did you meet her and like how when did you

decide that that was like a perfect fit for your band because she does feel like a perfect fit for your band dude yeah she does uh she was playing with this band called luthi um kind of a funk band that we had out on the road with us for a while um and yes you know she was sort of stealing the show with him and we thought well maybe she could sit in i think she sat in on a few dates i know she did our new year's eve show that we did here in nashville 2018 to 19 um and just killed it. She's great at reading charts too. Super fast learner, great singer. And she's amazing at working remotely from home. We did a song called Mission and she's got a great home recording rig

and it was kind of during COVID so we didn't want to get together in person. So she sang on that and it sounded great. Her voice, Trevor's got such a unique tone. It's kind of tough sometimes to blend other voices with his voice. So typically we just have him sort of harmonize with himself,

but she slides right in. I mean, it's just kind of a godsend that she is sort of that perfect balance vocally with Trevor. It's a great blend. So I don't know if she's going to join the band, but we're definitely going to hang on to her as long as we can. How hard is it to add new members to a band that's already

a self-sufficient machine? With her, it's really easy because she's just such an easy vibe. She is just so chill. I don't know. I mean, she's just a good vibe. Yeah.

A part of it, too, is kind of just being able to hang with us, which she does very well. We have just extremely bizarre senses of humor, and she's totally there for it. You know, yeah, I'll leave it at that. Give me a moment where maybe a joke didn't really hit. Oh, I had a s*** a few years ago, and I don't think she wanted to hear about that.

That didn't really land. Also, could you cut that out, please? Yeah, I'll block. I'll cut it. I'll bleep it. I'll just bleep it. I just had to bleep, bleep, bleep. Good, thank you. Yeah, I want to. I'll cut it. I'll bleep it. I'll just bleep it. I just had to bleep, bleep, bleep. Good, thank you. Yeah, I want to talk about the first time you guys got syncs in movies and radio and video games and stuff.

What was that like? The first one was that Cougar Town? Yes, and you could not. So we posted about it. We were so excited about it. Yeah, we were so stoked. It was on this ABC show called C cougar town and i think courtney cox was on a busy philips baby yeah so we all you know tell all our fans we got our families

watching and you we watched the whole episode and we all texted each other did this happen was it the wrong episode where was it spencer was like you had to listen to the volume at 100 and it was in the coffee shop scene, and it was about eight seconds, and you could hear a little banjo. It's like, okay, great. Yeah, so that's how this worked. It's not like, boom, text. It can be very subtle.

My favorite one we had was on Elementary West. We were watching the Super Bowl over at the Goals house, and the episode aired right after the Super Bowl several years ago and we watched the whole episode some Sherlock Holmes show with Lucy Liu in it and the song starts creeping in it's like they're solving the mystery of the case yeah and I could hear it creeping in I'm like oh this is fucking sick and then all of a sudden it just cues to the Brooklyn Bridge the song's banging loud I'm like that that was badass. That one was, yeah. And we're all cheering.

That was actually Mata Shahu. That was Square Circles with Mata Shahu on that track. Yeah. When you start getting into these building movements for scenes and shit, you kind of get addicted to it. Do you ever think about scoring a movie? I would love

to do that. That's a goal of mine one day. I'm kind of working on some of my own songs right now and kind of trending in that direction eventually. But yeah, definitely. I think Spencer would like to do that too. Yeah. Spencer would love that.

We need a big movie guy. Do you guys all write individual songs and whatnot? When do you guys all write individual songs and and whatnot or you guys are like when do you know when a song is good for moon taxi versus something that's good for you guys uh when trevor sings on it is sort of the ultimate test um you know i i in quarantine i wrote some songs kind of just on my own and, you know, shared them with a band. They're like, yeah, that's cool. But we don't know if that's us yet. We ultimately, you know, Trevor needs to sing on it and, you know, get the key ride, get the feel.

I don't play guitar. So all my demos are super synthy and loopy and piano kind of driven or keys driven, I should say. So yeah, ultimately that's kind of a test and, you know, we'll try to run it in a sound check and if we feel like it could be good live, you know, that's, that's a good sign. But yeah, it's ultimately if Trevor could sing it and if he can sell it and, you know, if he feels like he connects lyrically and, and so, you know, and even songs that, that, that does work out for him that he does

sound good on ultimately they just you know it's it's kind of where does it work in the context of the record you know there are just so many factors um ultimately you ever saw you ever ever because like you you make these songs in the studio right before or do you do you uh try them out live before you hit the studio? Well, what we did yet, what we're trying to do now is just strip everything down just to acoustic and a vocal. Well, actually, Andy, I just remembered,

Tommy, I guess there's the new song, Step Into The Light, we've started to actually play at shows. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I forgot about that. So, yes, to answer your question, sometimes, on rare occasions, started to actually play at shows um yeah yeah that's true yeah yeah i forgot i didn't think about that one so yeah so yes to answer questions sometimes on rare occasions yeah we'll try it out on a show you ever heard a song where you thought it was the shit and it just bombed oh yeah yes what song was it what day do you remember this show

um i mean god honestly a lot of the times that we will put out a record and it'll, you know, oh, we could play a few singles from that. And just nobody knows it. We've realized it takes fans a while. Even some of your biggest fans somehow like just completely miss that you put out records or they just don't really learn them. So it's just this sort of it's like it's like a stink bomb goes off and you kick into a new song. It's like, damn, you know, they just kind of clear out, go get a beer. I look into the crowd, like, are they feeling this? And without fail, someone is yawning every time I look in the eyes. That's not true.

Oh, I swear every time we go on late, I don't know if it's that, but, um, my, yeah, I mean, even Morocco and some of our fan favorites in the early days, I mean, I'd be the same way if they're playing a song I have never heard. You know, you can't get terribly excited. So, I mean, I don't know. My buddy Neil Francis told me this one story where he's testing out a new soft song in this venue,

and all of a sudden, like, it's really quiet. And all of a sudden, you just hear a nitrous tank go. They had a tank in the venue? Wow. Oh, it's just some outside fest, just some, like, hoedown festival. Like, he's trying out some new stuff. You know, the crowd was light or something.

And all of a sudden, like, such an emotional part of the song. All of a sudden. Amazing. the crowd was light or something and all of a sudden such an emotional part of the song all of a sudden it's amazing it makes me get scared to play the vulnerable songs like god I love this tune I love the lyrics of this tune all of a sudden they're just sucking nitrous yeah speaking of nitrous let's talk about mental health let's

do you guys suffer with anxiety or depression or any of that stuff? Not really. I don't think I can't speak for everybody else. Um, I probably get a little anxious, a little anxious here and there. Um, you know, I think that the work life balance that when, that we've been able to achieve has probably helped our mental health tremendously. We've been doing this. I joined the band in 2007, a long-ass time ago, and I still feel fresh as ever.

I think that's because we don't let ourselves get burnt out. We are smart about our touring. We try to maintain good relationships with our families and, um, you know, just, just general balance, I think kind of keeps us all in check. So do you think that's the goal is to like, to like not play, not not play as much, but like know your limits of how you guys react. Like I could stay on the road, but sometimes after like week seven, I start just like

depleting oh yeah yeah and your shows man i mean i don't know how you could do that every night it is mind-blowing the energy i mean what if you can't shout like there are many venues like you you can't shower at do you do you just stink it up how do you like you are covered in sweat and beer and shit like yeah like when we in sweat. And beer and shit. Like, yeah, like when we have like late night drives and shit, and I'm like, yeah, I'm sleeping in my beer clothes. Yeah, it's not fun. But, you know, it's for the better purpose.

You know, we're all trying to bring music. And, you know, I know how important music is to you guys. Been a band for a long time and us too. It's like we're doing it because we know how powerful music is for people. Yeah. Yeah. And your shows, man, I got to say, we saw you. I don't even know that you were aware that we were there.

We saw you side stage. No, I guess for real. I'm sorry. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was when I first got hip to y'all.

And I was like, okay. And to you too, that we went and, yeah. That was when I first got hip to y'all. And I was like, okay. Us to you too. We went and saw, I think we were playing an NHL All-Star game. Yeah. And you were playing a tailgate thing the day before. And you guys showed up the day early. And we went over there. Yeah, I bought your sweatshirt with the golden retriever on it.

Oh, fucking A. And I get more fucking compliments on that than anything else everybody's like oh my god i love that i'm like it's a badass band telling you i'm telling you guys i think it'd be a great tour you and us that'd be fun so we've talked about that we'd love to have you out man that'd be awesome we would we would do you justice we'll hype up the crowd we'll we'll get it it going. So I got a couple more. You got a little more time for me? Yeah, I'm good.

Okay, so you said you were very male-driven in the beginning, like a bunch of bros and stuff showing up. When you were making the transition, like, oh, shit, there's a bunch more women coming to the shows. What do you think changed? Was it the lyrics? Was it the type of music you were playing? How did you start getting a balance of a fan base instead of just a bunch of dudes it was this it was the

focus on the songwriting and the production and and the lyrical content all of that i mean um yeah whereas like previous previously it was just straight up you know guitar licks basically was the focus we were really the timing of thataret album, we put that out in early 2012, and that was probably within six months or so of Spotify launching. And we had a song on there, it's the first track called Mercury, and I don't know how we got whatever data, but I guess Athens, Georgia, and a lot of the South, I think it was maybe one of the number one trending songs within several SEC markets. And yeah, and there's a, you know, that was kind of one of our first songs where everything, all the instruments cut out and you just hear

so when we came back to Athens, it was one of the first, we were actually on tour with a tea leaf green and yeah, roving it up for with a tea leaf green. Oh, thick. Yeah. We opened it up for them at the Georgia theater. Our manager was there side stage watching. And when we played that song, it's just, you could feel something was happening,

you know? And like, I think it was because we, we, you know, didn't have our usual wordy chorus. We had a very simple singable moment and everyone in there saying it, we're like, okay,

we can headline this place when we come back and we did we sold it out every time since and it's been it was this very kind of eye-opening uh breakthrough really just through spotify i mean i think that was kind of the what really propelled us and you know obviously with too high getting on the biggest pop playlists. That was huge too. It just kind of gave us a little more global awareness. So yeah, I mean, it's been, but it's also so random at the same time. I mean, you can put out a single and think,

oh great, they're going to playlist it and then it just falls completely flat. So it's just, it's a total crapshoot. Do you still get bummed out when radio doesn't play the single now that yeah yeah we're more bummed out when we feel like we picked the wrong single um you know like when you go at the station that you've worked a decade to build a relationship with and you know you give them this song that they're like, what is this? This isn't the band.

This doesn't sound like them. That really stings. The Revivals have done such a great job maintaining their true sound while really just having these amazing songs that work so well at radio. Hats off to them. They're definitely a band that we really look up hats off to them. And, um, you know, that that's, they're definitely a, a, a band that we really look up to in that regard for sure. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. They're, they're, they're good friends of ours for sure. Um, yeah,

I, um, we taught, we did a co-headline tour with them a long time ago with, um, um, with revivalists a long time ago. And how long ago was that West? Probably like... That was probably 2014 or 15. Yeah. Yeah. And I've become good friends with George and Ed since then.

Yeah. That's another band that, yeah, that we've become good friends with. In fact, saw them the Saturday night before we saw Dirty Heads, which was two weeks before we saw you. It's incredible. Different festivals.

I love that. I love that too. And it's also like, that's one thing I missed. You don't realize the camaraderie there is with the bands that are friends. It's like, oh shit. It's like we had a year and a half without seeing our fucking friends. And the only time we could see our friends is on the road. It's heavy. What was was that give me that i want to i want to hear that first okay so that first moment when they're when everyone's singing your fucking song did you guys get chills and shit

oh yeah hell yeah i still get chills i i have in-ear monitors now and whenever we play morocco we do a breakdown um Tommy's got a little bass solo and then we let the crowd sing the chorus I take out my in-ear monitors every show I want to hear them I want to feel like I'm in the crowd yeah um it's an addictive feeling and that's you know we've got a lot of songs that really have that big chorus kind of thing all day all night Morocco too high so I you know I that I really and that informs a lot of songwriting too you know when we had that moment where everything drops out and everyone's singing it's like oh we should do more of that you know it's like like it's simple you know just simple enough

melodies that non-musicians can sing them and you know have it just kind of be all-encompassing and um yeah it's it's it's informed our songwriting we've learned a lot from our fans about what works songwriting-wise and what doesn't. And I think it's hopefully ideally getting sharper and sharper as we keep going. What about you, Tommy? What was the question again? I got distracted there.

Just like hearing, like when your first time hearing the whole audience, like maybe it's your first time coming into the show and all of a sudden they're singing the fucking songs dude it's got it's a great feeling yeah yeah i love that i mean particularly for me i like to just rock out you know um rather than sing along parts um but yeah um like for me just walking like the best moment i can the best example i can give is for a thrillwise was that 2012 Bonnaroo. So I keep going back to it. We came out to a tornado siren.

That was our opening sound. And then we fogged the shit out of it and the crowd was going nuts. And what did we open with, Wes? Was it All the Rage? Yeah, All the Rage. Yeah. Yeah. And we did a long build into this, you know,

two-chord drop for that song. And that was just electrifying for me. Yeah. Yeah. And we, we did a long build into this, you know, two chord drop for that song. And that was just electrifying for me. Yeah. The thing at the time with indie bands was to have a floor Tom, the keys player just had to have a floor Tom to bang on. So I had my floor Tom out there. Cause we were playing Bonnaroo and I wanted to fit in with the indie bands. So I'm just in this pod. Boom's so true. Boom, boom, boom. It's ridiculous.

And that was the only time I played it. I had no use for it otherwise. I may have tapped on it at one point. It was very bizarre. Oh, God. Guys, this is amazing. We got to be friends, dude. You guys are my...

You guys, we are the same personality on this shit. Yeah, I was like... I think about that all the time because I've always wanted to be like a Mumford band or something when I was like younger in my life and with the floor tom and the kick drum and the fucking... It's just like all the indie bands are doing it. Yeah.

And like, you don't want to... We never got a glockenspiel though. It never got that far. Or like little toy instruments. Yeah, the first indie festival we played was in New Orleans. It was called Fauxburg. And we just had this ridiculous, you know, running joke of like, Are you going to play a glockenspiel at Fauxburg?

You can play it at Fauxburg, yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, Fauxburg. Do you guys play in Europe at all? We have. We have, yeah. Yeah, we did a nice tour through Germany,

and then Norway actually really likes us, which is great. It's amazing. Yeah, I got a hit in Norway, Blame It on the Pussy. They're like, oh, I love Blame It on the Pussy. And I'm like, I can't play that shit in America anymore. Everyone's like, whoa, you got chilled out. Fresco.

But Norway is like, oh, Blame It On The Pussy, such a great song. I'm like, thanks, Norway. Thank you, Norway. Sing it to my daughter. Oh, yeah. Guys, this has been amazing. You know, thank you so much for being part of the show. I just am thankful that we're just getting closer and closer.

I've always wanted to get closer to you guys, and I really felt Mempho was the moment where we connected. So I'm so thankful for your friendship, and I'm thankful that you guys keep on fucking kicking ass. You keep kicking ass. You keep fucking kicking ass, too. Dude, we in this together. Let's just fucking all kick everyone's ass.

Yeah. But, hey, Andy, seriously,'s just fucking off kick everyone's ass. Oh, yeah. But hey, Andy, seriously, I wanted to say like last year, kind of, I mean, we were aware of you because of the,

where was that? Fort Lauderdale, Tampa show. Yeah. But seeing kind of your rise last year, you were like the egg in the casserole

that sort of binded everything together in this scene and you were a light to so many people and your show's amazing your your live show's incredible what you do is so special we talk about it all the time thanks very inspiring very you know empowering uh it's good shit we love you and uh yes hopefully we'll tour together one day hell yeah and tommy i'm gonna get you on stern after party dude all right you mean me let's do do it. I'll get you. No, me, me. Oh, Wes, you wanted that? No, do me.

Okay. I got both of you. I got both of you. Yeah. Let's talk a little about Stern. Why do you guys love Stern so much? I'm the Stern guy. I don't know if Tommy's- Oh, really? Yeah. Well, I mean, you don't dislike- I like Stern, but- Wes is a dickhead. I mean, I've listened. I'm a dickhead. Yeah. Well, I mean, you don't dislike it. I like Stern, but Wes is a dickhead. I mean, I've listened. I'm a dickhead. Yeah, I've listened to Stern every day for probably 12 years. And, you know, even though, you know, he's working from home

and there's all this just kind of weirdness going on at the studio, but I think it's as good as ever. I'm still fascinated by the staff, everything going on there. Ronnie going to Vegas is just hysterical. His house was built backwards. It just blows my mind. I love it. I mean, it's just, I love, at first I was really hooked by his interviews.

We used to listen to him a lot in the van when we'd be together, and we were driving to Memphofo and i was playing the jagger interview and it's just it's cool to you know share that that experience with your band to hear stern interview some of your heroes yeah um you know he's he's the best interviewer out there um i hope they'll eventually go back to the studio simply because of just general sound quality and i think there's just such a synergy when everyone's together. And it's just, I just wonder what goes on in that back room if they're all in just like a

lunchroom and they're talking about me, get in there, Ronnie or whatever. You know, I mean, it's, it's just such a fun kind of, just how I visualize everything going there is just the best part of waking up. It's just, it's, it's an amazing show. And yeah, I, you know, sad to see him go this summer but um you know it's also been nice to have him come back and you know pretty much work for weeks straight and you know um because i know the guy needs like we're saying work balance um work-life balance so i think he's in a sweet spot yeah exactly so and i get it it's like you know

he's like shit i've been doing this for 40 years i need to give me a break every once in a sweet spot. Yeah, exactly. And I get it. It's like, you know, he's like, shit, I've been doing this for 40 years. I need to give me a break every once in a while. I get it, man. Take the time you need. I mean, when he's on, he's on. And I love what he says about COVID and everything. I don't disagree with anything he says there and how just passionate he is. He's so spot on and great.

So, yeah, I'm a Stern mega fan. He's the Stern guy. Yeah. Brandano, if you're listening to this, I know you listen to the podcast, Brandano. Get Moon Taxi on the wrap up. Come on, Stevie. Let's go, Stevie.

Guys, thanks so much for being on the show. I appreciate it. Thank you, Andy. I got one last question for you. When it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? Tommy? question for you um when it's all said and done you know what do you want to be remembered by tommy shit that's a very tough question um i guess our incredible live shows is that or me personally yeah i like you know we get a lot of messages about, from people who, you know, walk down the aisle to run right back or, you know, those, to be a part of big moments in people's lives, I think is super cool.

say they were, you know, mood booster, flip their, you know, mood around, you know, like that to me, you know, to be able to supply the world with dopamine is a very special, uh, job way to put it. Yeah. Totally. So yeah. Dopamine dealers. Yeah. Yeah. I want to be a dopamine dealer. That's it. Hell yeah. Well, great band name. Wow. You're doing a great job. Yeah. I want you to, let's do a side project. We'll call them dopamine dealers. Yes, I'm in. Let's do it. That's awesome. Tommy West, thanks for being on the show. I'm thankful for your friendship and I'm thankful for you guys bringing

people joy and let's do it together soon. Absolutely. Take care, Andy. Appreciate it. Thanks guys so much. Have a great one. Later. There you have it. Moon Taxi. Hell yeah, that was fun. I like to get to know bands, their rise and how they pivot through changing their fucking sound. It's a very scary thing to do

and takes a lot of fucking balls. So shout out to Moon Taxi. Let's go. My boys. Nice work. Nice boys, nice work. Nice work. All right, we'll catch you on the tail end. Now, a message from the UN. See my share of big fake todays

Put my hands on some just last night Trying to figure out if they're firm or jiggling Science rules when you're touching booze All right. And there you have it. Moon Taxi, thanks for being on the show. Those guys are great guys. I really bonded with guys. I really bonded with them. I can't wait to see them again. Hope you enjoyed that interview as much as I did

to get to know those boys and whatnot. But there it is. Hope you had a great week. Hope you're having fun. Shout out to New Orleans. That was a great show. Little Rock, Arkansas, Fayetteville, you know, you always treat me well and I'm just thankful that you still come out to the shows and whatnot. But let's have a great week. Let's stay focused on our dreams and on what makes us happy. And if you don't like something, tell them to fuck off. Or if you don't like something, you can always get out of that situation. You're never stuck in anything.

You're never stuck. And if you're kind of stuck, it's okay because this too shall shall pass we're going to get through this depression we're going to get through this anxiety um you're not alone in the fight and we're just going to keep fighting it keep battling so we could be authentic um appreciate life and to focus on whatever it is we need to do to stay happy and stay present in the moment because at the end of the day that's all we got we got our brain who's going to tell us to live in the past and live in the future we got our friends and our families who are telling us to live in the past or live in the future at the end of the day take a step back and realize this is my

life not anyone else's. So stay focused on trying to make yourself a better person every day and try to make yourself happy every day. That's all we can do. We can try and try and try. So keep trying and I'll be there rooting you on. Your little Uncle Andy will be rooting you on each step of the way. Once again, we're playing Grand Rapids Tuesday. That's today. We're playing Ferndale, Michigan, Detroit. Where are all my Detroit players at? Jess Thibodeau, my old manager lives out there.

I'm going to have a nice dinner with him. And then Buffalo, New York, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania on the 21st and 22nd. Damn, 21st. Bo, we're going back to your hometown. Hell yeah. Wear condoms, Bo. your hometown. Hell yeah. Wear condoms, Bo.

And October 23rd, Covington, Kentucky. And October 24th, Cleveland, Ohio. I'll just do that week. Oh, and then next week, because Big Something was on the show, promoting the show. The 28th, we're at Raleigh, North Carolina. We're going to the Big Something turf. Women to North Carolina with Kyle Ayers and Big Something

for the Royal Rumble. The 30th, Richmond, Virginia at the Southern, or no, the Broadbury. And then the 31st at the Southern in Charlottesville, Virginia. So get out there. Come on, support the boys. Tickets are looking good at those shows, but let's sell them out.

I love when I walk into a venue and it's like, no worry about promoting. We can sell that bitch out. So let's sell those out and whatnot. All right, guys. Love you. Be safe out there. It's a weird world.

Don't watch too much television. That'll scare you like Squid Games and CNN and shit. Just be happy and let's work on trying to stay in a good mental space so we could take on anything that is and comes our way literally right bo hell yeah all right guys have a great day you tuned in to the world's podcast with andy fresco now in its fourth season thank you for listening to this episode produced by andy fresco joe angelo and chris lawrence we need you to help us save the world and spread the word please subscribe rate the show give us those

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