Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 146: Eli Winderman from Dopapod

Episode Date: October 26, 2021

Andy gets thrown thru a table at his show in Buffalo and Nick accidentally takes a 50mg dose of edibles before playing. What's up with Buffalo and why does it rule? Find out whilst Andy tries to get Floyd to kiss him on the mouth. And on the Interview Hour we welcome keyboardist and musical wizard, Eli Winderman of Dopapod! Sleep (& the occasional microdose) is important. Remember: Nick Gerlach will NOT be collected by Andy Frasco. Shawn warns of the danger of self-love. Bring your whistle, cuz this is EP 146.  Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Friends (A Song About Friends)" on iTunes, Spotify  Listen to their new single "Think" www.dopapod.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Nick Gerlach The NBA Dolav Cohen Brown-Out Phillis Shawn Eckels Arno Bakker

Andy, I'm from Indiana, okay? I'm kind of getting sick of you making basketball your whole personality on Twitter. You're not a basketball fan. You're a Lakers fan. And guess what? They're not even good now because guess what? Their strategy of signing a bunch of guys in their 30s who haven't really worked on... Hello, Andy.

This is Marcus Monroe. I am the in-house counsel for the Los Angeles Lakers. I have sent multiple letters to your lawyer, but I have not seen any change in behavior, so I am calling you myself. I need you to understand that you need to stop posting videos of yourself doing drugs in your Los Angeles Lakers jersey. Additionally, we are aware that you are copyright infringing on our logo, and you need to stop or we will press charges. Stop DMing our social media accounts.

You will not be sitting courtside. You will not be playing halftime. You're lucky that we are even acknowledging you as a fan. So if you want anything from us, please stop posting videos of doing drugs in Los Angeles Lakers jerseys. Please stop knocking off our logos and just be a normal fan like everybody else.

Thank you. If you have any questions, please talk to your lawyer. And we're live. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. How are you? How you doing, Nick? We've been working hard this week. Holy shit, bro. It's been a long week, kind of. It's been a long week. Nothing bad really has happened, though. No, just six shows in seven days. It gets crazy. It gets to you. Because, you know, we hit it hard every fucking day.

It's not like we're not playing jazz trio bossa nova here, people. No, I'm slamming beers in my face. Well, we are. I am. Yeah, you kind of are playing. I'll take a sweat a couple times. How's it going? Good. I'm still coming down from Buffalo. Oh, my God. That is the funniest story.

You got to hear this story, dude. I feel like we need Sean to kind of get it. We'll have to bring him in later, but basically I accidentally took a 50 milligram edible two hours before my, it was probably, it was right before soundcheck. So maybe an hour and a half before my, so how did you not know that it was 50 milligrams?

50, not 15, 50 because I have never, they were like store bought ones. Like it's 50 milligrams. 50, not 15. I know, 50. Because I have never, they were like store-bought ones. Like, it's legal there. Someone gave them to us, like in the green room, right? Yeah.

And I've just never even heard of that. What, like small little 50s? Yeah, I've only heard it being like 10, really. Really? When they're store-bought. I think that's a thing in Denver, maybe even. No, I've seen like those Chuba Chews are like 1,000 milligrams. Yeah, but those are big. This is like a one little gummy that's only 50. Denver maybe even No I've seen like those Chuba Chews They're like a thousand milligrams

Yeah but those are big This is like a one little gummy that's only 50 So you just started eating them? There's 500 in a package But why are you so impulsive? I had one You just put stuff in your mouth I'm not impulsive

I'm like I'm impulsive Have you met me? I'm like one of the least impulsive people you'll ever meet in your life Then why didn't you do your research and know that was a 50 milligram THC? I don't know So what happened? Were you feeling good? I was sitting there after my son.

I had my own green room there. I was watching the Browns game start. I was starting to feel kind of dozing off. I was starting to feel kind of tired. I was starting to fade into myself. You know, like you do on an edible. I was like, that's weird. That's a pretty strong one.

And then Sean Eccles comes in. I think we should go get, I'm going to go get Sean. Sean. Hold on. I'll go get him. Pause. Hold on.

Well, while you get Sean, talk about that. How's your day? How's everyone doing? You feeling good? We've been hitting it hard, dude.

We played every night. Shout out to Buffalo. Shout out to Buffalo. Unbelievable. That was the craziest show Pittsburgh Fucking insane Michigan Hallelujah

Thanks for having us But Buffalo Holy shit You guys were ready to rock We sold that bitch out On a Thursday You know It's hard selling shows out

During the week During COVID So I'll shout out to Buffalo One more time Kicking ass, guys That was a fucking fun show What? out during the week during COVID, so I'll shout out to Buffalo one more time. Kicking ass, guys. That was a fucking fun show. What?

Sean did. That's fine. I don't know where he is. Anyway, so Sean comes in the room. He goes, I think he saw that the bag was open and he knew there were 50 milligrams already. He says, you ate one of these 50 milligram edibles? Why are you breathing so hard I don't know

You ran to go get Sean It's far We're far from the stage It's a theater We're in the theater I'm going to definitely wrap my sweater around my neck What Madison Theater What are you going to do

Shut the fuck up Floyd Don't do? Because we're in the theater. Shut the fuck up, Floyd! Don't walk by when we're doing a podcast! Don't even fucking walk... Don't come in here! Don't even look at us when we're doing a podcast, okay? Anyway, Sean walks in the room and he's like, Oh, Bob, did you eat one of these 50s? I was like, no, these are 10s. He goes,

Uh, dude, these are 50 milligrams. This is like right when I started feeling weird. And I was like, holy shit. And I looked. He goes, dude, these are 50 milligrams. This is like right when I started feeling weird. And I was like, holy shit. And I looked at my watch and I start in half an hour. And I'm like just starting to. And got to remember, I am up there alone, guys. There's no like ban, you know. I'm like, fuck.

And he leaves. I'm like, oh, I'll be fine. I was like totally playing it off. But in my head, I'm like freaking out, you know. But I didn't want to. Because it was sold out. It was a sold out show. It was like 600 people there. It was packed when I walked out there

I'm pacing around thinking to myself Splashing water on my face No one saw me doing this I was just trying to keep it I don't want people to know before I went on stage Because then it would become even more of a thing I would have fucking gave you shit the whole time Exactly

There's nothing you and other people like more Than when Nick Gerlach is fucked up People love when I'm fucked up. When you're out of control, because you're normally you're like a psychopath or a sociopath about that, where you always have to know what's going on. People think I'm a lot crazier than I am. People think I'm gonna

be like... Well, you're like a psychopath that doesn't talk, you know? You just stare at people. Yeah, sociopath. Okay, so... You walk on stage, it's packed. When I went on stage, I was so high. So I was like, all right, I'm not going to have a panic attack, I can tell.

Because I take edibles pretty regularly, so I'm like, what do I do? So I'm just like, I told the crowd. I figured the best way to get through it is just to address it, you know? Because the thing with edibles is, once you start fighting it, then the anxiety can come in,

and that's when you start freaking out. 50 milligrams, it's so much weed to eat at one time. That happened to me. We were flying to China and I had to eat all these edibles before you got into China. I was like, I'll smuggle a little bit into the country.

Then I got nervous because I saw some drug dogs. I've always watched all the news to see if they're taking people down for drugs and shit that's how many how much drugs I would take on an airplane

if I'm going touring through Europe so I ate Sean is the king of edibles he fucking pounds that shit I add one

and I was like I took a couple bites and then I got on this 10 hour flight and I just started having the worst anxiety attack I was on a fucking flight dude And I just started having the worst anxiety attack I was

On a fucking flight Dude, in every bump I'd be like Crying I wrote a goodbye letter to myself What'd you do with it? I hope you threw it away It's on my I have so many

Cause I just put them on my Apple Oh, you like tightened it Type notes So I probably have so many goodbye letters Cause I always get freaked out Whenever there's turbulence on a plane. I started like writing all the... Tell my mom I love you.

Are you scared of flying, kind of? Yeah. Oh. And the weed just didn't help it. It's so weird because you fly so much. Yeah, I'm still afraid of it. I just don't like the turbulence. It's like the safest thing you can possibly do, basically.

But back to you, Nick. This is your part of the show. Back to me. So I got through it. I told everybody. I was like... Once I told everybody, I was like, I ate 15 milligrams on accident, which it was on accident.

People keep being like, how'd you do it on accident? I didn't accidentally eat edible. I accidentally ate 50 milligrams of edibles. Yeah. So I was like, sack silvers are going to be a little long tonight, guys. Blah, blah. And they're like, yeah. Buffalo people were so easy to win over, though, man.

I love it. Yeah, I know. All you had to do is say, fuck Tom Brady. I was like, fuck the Patriots. And they're like, fuck yeah. I love it. Yeah, I know. All you had to do was say, fuck Tom Brady. I was like, fuck the Patriots. And they're like, fuck yeah. I didn't do any of my jokes.

I just started yelling, I just started yelling, fuck different, fuck New York City, fuck the Patriots, and we're the best football team in New York, and they fucking loved it.

My jokes didn't land at all, but fuck this, and fuck that, hell yeah. Shout out to Buffalo. I love those people. And you did the fucking Bills Mafia table jump.

I did, and I just bounced off that motherfucker like a ping pong. Yeah. You did better than a lot of the people in the videos. I just, but like, I don't know. I thought I was going to smash that thing. No, they're made to last. I guess, but. They hold up a lot of casseroles.

I guess I lost a little bit of weight on this tour. No, I don't think it's that at all. I think it's just a strong table. Oh, fuck you. I'm trying to pump myself up. So the I don't think it's that at all. I think it's just a strong table. Oh, fuck you. I'm trying to pump myself up. So the show was good, though. You did okay. I did great. You were kind of sleepy.

I was sleepy, but my eyes were so bloodshot, bro. Then you came on to sit in with us. You're like, bring it, bitch. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's funny. You know who else brings it every single fucking day Who?

Repsy Oh yeah baby Repsy.com Hey guys Bands We're getting further into the winter And more shows are popping up You gotta start booking your summer now

You gotta book your summer now And if you need help booking your summer Your April or your Mays I know people are booking April Like I got a couple offers for some April dates And then we're already booking or your April or your Mays. I know people are booking April. I got a couple offers for some April dates, and then we're already booking. Already pretty much booked the November tour.

We're not booked it, but we're in the process of it. A year away? Yeah. John Borgiano is fucking on it always. Shout out to John Bongiorno. Are you going international again? I'm going to Europe. That would be international, yes.

What do you not like as much about touring in Europe compared to the United States? What's harder about it? They're fucking anal about time. Especially Germany, right? Oh, God. I don't want to say Nazis. There are real Nazis over there. No, but normally you have to do these long-ass drives,

and in Germany, the traffic is so bad sometimes that it could take a two-hour drive, six hours. Really? Yeah. And it's like, you never know what's going to happen. Oh. And so we're always waking up at 8 a.m. after fucking drinking with all the Europeans till fucking 5 a.m.

Germans like to drink, right? They like to drink all night, and the bars aren't closing, like how America forces everyone to stop drinking at 2am They'll just keep the bar rocking Oh really? Yeah and we'll be there I feel like they're more responsible when they drink there You know what I mean?

There's no Bills Mafia jumping through tables in Germany really It's crazy German dudes love taking off their shirts Maybe they just don't make it on the news as much here No because We're a prude country yeah you know they started drinking when they're 14 well that's because our country was literally founded by puritans yeah that's what they were doing they were coming here because they were too religious for where they lived in fucking 1620 so imagine

now we've been trying people the republicans trying to get us back to that this whole time yeah handmaid's tale, baby. And that's why you should book your shows with Repsy.com. And they're not going to charge your agent fee too. Yeah. Double. So sign up. Our boys, they've been with us all year.

If you're in a band, sign up to Repsy.com. Birmingham. Are they going to come to our show in Birmingham? They are. They said they're coming out. I want them to get us on a couple of those college gigs they book. Oh, they book a lot of college gigs? Yeah, I kind of want to do one of their frat parties.

Oh, my God. Hey, Tatum, I'm available. You need a gig? I got you, bro. Let's do a Repsy Frasco show. Holy shit, that'd be crazy. Oh, God. You at a frat party?

Jesus. That's like Alabama or something. Oh, my God. Dude, who can out-frat each other? I feel like Northern Ireland seems more chill than Germany, though. Yeah.

The cool thing about them is they'll punk rock to love is a waiting game. You know? They'll start mosh-pitting to love come down. Yeah, they're just like... And they're fucking

always so sweaty. And they... I don't think they believe in deodorants. Do you like the food in Europe? It just smells like metal in the room. Ugh. Yeah, but it's cool. I love it.

Europeans sound disgusting. I love Europeans. My mom's European. I feel like the girl I'm going to marry is probably a European. Yeah. Like a Dutch girl or something. Yeah, you'd probably have to go out of the country to find someone that... That could put up with my alcohol.

Yeah, someone who doesn't really understand English. With me just saying, yeah, yeah, yeah. That way... I've been saying that a lot. Germans don't really understand passive-aggressive. No, because they're so blunt. They just tell you exactly

how it is. I kind of fuck with that, though. I like it. It's kind of harsh when it's like the morning. I kind of want someone that, though. I like it. It's kind of harsh when it's like the morning. I kind of want someone to sugarcoat it because I'm hungover. But, you know, sometimes it's like, hey, you sounded like shit last night. Really? You're going to get some sleep and you're not going out. Like shit like that.

They'll say that? Oh, yeah. Who told you you sound like shit? Like our buddy Rolf. He's a good friend. He's a good friend. He was our tour manager in Europe. And, you know, some days we'd just be drinking way too much on stage

and just start getting sloppy. And Europe doesn't care. They're not focused on how technical we're getting. They just want the party. No, they want a fucking American party. That's why we're there. Oh, yeah, I get it. You guys represent what they think America is.

Exactly. That's sad this is america one two three four everybody fucking down but the crowd's over this is america usc it is a little bit like that but what we have some other things here too you know besides beer i know but for music they're not booking jam bands in europe no i'm not talking about jam bands they like jazz in europe actually a lot they do but they're not booking jam bands in Europe. No, I'm not talking about jam bands. They like jazz in Europe, actually, a lot. They do, but they're not putting those in the rooms we're playing. They're throwing us in the party rooms.

That's the cool thing about Europe, too. They have all these different venues for different types of music. But I'm saying they appreciate American music in other ways, too. They like black music from America. 100%. That's why we're getting booked, because we're just playing rock and roll and blues

Yeah yeah yeah And they love American blues Did you ever have any Gigs where like a local band Would open for you over there Um no They The weird part about those shows

Was like We would start at 6pm What And be done at 8.30 What That's how time they do shows there Yeah during the week

We'd have a show Where doors were at 5 We'd play at 6.30. How? How do people get there after working time and stuff? Because they don't really work. They don't work? Those fucking communists over there.

I'm just kidding. Here in America, we have work till 6.30. Like, we would have curfews, our shows would be done at 10. And then we, that's the worst. That's dangerous, though, actually. Because then we're fucking juiced up, and we're drinking for six hours. You almost go to bed later when that happens. Yeah, I'm going to clap for myself.

I'm pretty proud. I haven't really drank that much this tour. I don't feel like I've been drunk. Maybe one time. That one time. Which one? We were in Fayetteville. Oh, yeah.

You picked me up blacked out. You were hammered. That was funny. Well, that town. Somebody sent you a bunch of shots, and apparently you have to take any shot you're handed. That's what I do. Because you have no self-control or something. I don't know the story.

Anyway, I slept in the van that night. I got my own hotel room because you're a dumbass. I like sleeping in the van sometimes. You do sleep in the van. I slept in the van three times this week. That's a $50,000 hotel room, you know? What, the Mercedes? Yeah.

It's nice when it's by yourself. It's just like when it starts getting cold in there, then you start, and then it's not good. Sometimes it's kind of nice if it's not too cold, though. I like it. It's like my own freedom, my sanctuary. And then you came in there at 9.30 and took a piss and left. And I went back into my apartment.

So weird. Whatever, I got my own room, so. Yeah, you're welcome. Did you masturbate? No, I don't do that. Why not? Because this is a nation founded by puritans and i'm staying a virgin until i'm married why because you don't beat off on tour that's not none of your business why because i don't talk about those kind of

things what why not because andy has nothing to do with the listeners it has everything to do with you and your little thing you do where you find out everybody's little sexual things and you collect them, and then you know something about them, and then it's yours, and you collect everybody. Shut up.

You don't really gossip about it. You don't tell other people. I don't tell anybody. But you collect their little soul when they tell you. No, I just like to get to know people. I like to know you. You like to get to know people? What's my favorite color? What's my middle name? Ryan. No, it just like to get to know people. I like to know you. You like to get to know people? What's my favorite color?

What's my middle name? Ryan. No, it's Stuart for the 17th time. So when you get my middle name right four times in a row, I'll tell you about my masturbation habits. I thought we bonded this tour. You don't even know my middle name. Stuart.

I'm pretty sure. What, just told you 30 seconds ago, you dummy. You dumbass. I haven't really masturbated this tour. Have you talked to your manager lately? He doesn't call me anymore. I feel like you guys haven't been talking as much. No, I think he doesn't call me

anymore. You think he's listening to this right now? I don't know. Maybe he's going to call me right now and be like, I don't call you anymore. He always has some voicemail. I always thought his were a joke, but his were real. They're real. You hear them now because I'll put them on speakerphone. I used to sometimes listen before I knew you.

I'd be like, oh, that's funny. His manager's funny. But now I know that he's just completely neurotic. I mean, sometimes he's right, to be fair. You know, this is a hard time for me. It's a hard time. But also being your manager in general. And yeah, him being my manager is probably hard for him as well.

So we needed a little break from talking to each other. But that doesn't mean he's not neurotic too, though. What? He's still a little neurotic. He's got that energy. He's super neurotic. Every manager is, by the way, people. I'm not saying anything.

That's how you become a good manager. It's neurosis. What I like about Brian is he fathers me. What? I like that. he fathers me. What? I like that. He fathers you? What do you mean? Like, he takes care of me.

Like, when out during the quarantine, he was the reason why I started doing all the podcasting and the live streaming. I was, like, depressed for two weeks. Like, what am I going to do? Oh, right, right, right. He walked into my house. First, he shoveled my fucking driveway.

That's funny. Because there's no way you know how to fucking do that. I don't know how to fucking do that. My first time living in a house with, or living in a town with snow, and I own the house. I got to do shit. Yeah.

And then, then he came in after his, really cute actually. He had all the snow on his boots and shit. He came in. He's only 4 foot 11 guys for reference he's 5'5 I'm just kidding

shut up he's like you gotta get on the internet you gotta get on the internet you have a personality you can keep these people happy so shout out to Brian for helping my career

even though I don't say it enough even though you don't call me anymore shout out to Brian for doing his job which has helped your career and you know some man just will not go the extra mile I know Yeah. Even though you don't call me anymore. Shout out to Brian for doing his job, which has helped your career. And you know, the guy... Some managers will not go the extra mile. I know.

There's different kinds of managers. There's like ones that maintain an already established career, ones that grow a career, and ones that ruin a career. And ones that nurture a career. Well, that's the same thing as growing. Kind of. Some people just grow and not like have a personal relationship. I like to have a personal relationship with all my people I work with,

like you, Nick. That's what I want to know about your masturbation. I'm not telling you. I'm not letting you collect me. I will not be collected. I'm not a Pokemon. Where's Sean? Sean here yet?

Sean wanted to be on the podcast. Jonathan. He wanted to be on so bad and tell the story. Shut the fuck up Floyd Come here Floyd He's been wearing a whistle Here's my thing with Floyd Every week Floyd makes fun of us for having this podcast

Oh you guys are podcast dorks And then what? He weasels his way into it about 15 minutes What are we 20 minutes in? Ladies and gentlemen welcome Floyd Kellogg The last show of the tour We need to move the van What are we, 20 minutes in? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Floyd Kellogg, the last show of the tour. We need to move the van.

I'm texting the group because we have to move the van. I'm working. Since when do you know what the fuck is going on with anything? You never know what the fuck is going on. Why did you have to text the van that? Why? Because this guy was going by. He keeps shuttling like food for his restaurant by the vehicle and he's like

this is going to take me all fucking day you got to move this vehicle because he has to like go around in an alley right now no see this is real talk this is so interesting we're worried about you really you're going to go you're going to forget us you're going to leave us in Cleveland Floyd We're worried about you Really

You're gonna go You're gonna forget us You're gonna leave us in Cleveland It's happening No don't leave us It's tomorrow You're leaving us It's tomorrow

Just give me one little kiss Just for a minute Just give me one kiss One kiss One kiss And why are you No it's freaking everyone out You're holding a whistle

He's your boss Kiss him Kiss me I'm your boss. Kiss me in the mouth. You don't have to use tongue, but you can. I have the whistle for moments like this. You can use tongue. I just start blowing it. Where did you get a whistle?

People are notified. Let me kiss you. They're either notified or to deterrent. That's why I have the whistle. Floyd, where did you get that whistle? I got it at south of the border. You, where did you get that whistle? I got it at, what, south of the border? You know that shop?

No. South of the border. When? It's in, like, Florida. No one cares where you bought it. You are so bad at this, Floyd. I got it for the one chip challenge. Oh, yeah.

Floyd also is a dumbass. No one knows about that. Come here. Sit down one more time. We're not done with you. Where are you going? You don't fucking load in. What are you doing? Yeah, I do. I was helping. Sit down one more time. We're not done with you. Where are you going? You don't fucking load in.

Yeah, I do. I was helping. No, you don't. I was on the phone with someone might want us for a private party. Yeah, okay. Now you're the booking agent at Repsy over here. Did they hire you at Repsy? Yeah. Private party. Who? For what band?

For our band. You're negotiating deals for our band. You have no concept of money or how much anything's worth. What's wrong with that? How much? I'm not going to tell you. I'll do all the booking

and then I'll pay everyone. You hearing this, Bongiorno? I'll Venmo all you guys. Bongiorno. He's Venmo all you guys. Bongiorno. Sound good? Uh-oh. He's trying to be our agent. He's trying to squeeze another 20%

for his Nantucket flights that we fucking buy him. Oh, my God. Goodbye. Imagine living by a regional airport. It's actually me twiddling my fingers every night that pays for my flights. You think you get paid to play bass?

We don't pay you for bass. We pay you for open mouth kisses. Imagine being a professional. Imagine being a professional musician and you live by a regional airport. Oh, well, this is our band. We're going crazy. Day six. Who's the guest today?

We haven't talked about that We got Eli from Dope Pod Oh I fucking love Eli It was a great interview He's sweet He's such a sweet boy He's got a lot to talk about He's a thinker

Yeah yeah You're telling me like how He had like a speech problem No he told you that No he I said Nick told me I gossiped on you a little bit I didn't know about that though

So there's no way I'm the one that told you I think No no he I was gossiping about you a little bit on the. No, I didn't tell him. I gossiped on you a little bit. I didn't know about that, though, so there's no way I'm the one that told you. I think, no, no, he, I was gossiping about you a little bit on the interview. No, but I didn't, I didn't know he had a stutter until you told me that I told you, so it wasn't me. It was someone else.

Well, he got through it. Well, I wouldn't even make fun of someone for having a stutter. That's a stupid thing. We're not saying you're making fun of him. But I also didn't tell you because I didn't know about it. Yes, you did.

The fuck I did. Why would I lie about that? I just love when you get angry. You didn't say anything. I get so mad. People don't know that when I get, I don't like to because I didn't know about it. Yes, you did. The fuck I did. Why would I lie about that? I just love when you get angry. You didn't say anything. I get so mad. People don't know that. I don't like to be told I'm wrong. I didn't say anything about you in the interview.

Chill. Okay, you never do, I noticed. God. You never mention me in the interview or talk about how cool I am. God, you're so... You do love me. No. Just say it.

I just like when people talk about me. Just say you love me. You love me. No, say, Andy, I love you. Nah. Why? I don't want to. Are you afraid?

Nope. Are you afraid to be my best friend? Are you afraid to be my best friend? You'll never be my best friend. We've been over this. Why not? It works exactly like college football, okay? Kicillofsky became my best friend at the age of 10,

and until he fucks up, he will be my best friend. That's how it works. He's undefeated. Alabama, he's the Crimson Tide. So it doesn't matter what you do. What am I, like, Georgia State or something? No, you're probably like a mid-major. What, like Appalachian?

You're just too new. What the fuck? Well, you do help me make money, so you're moving up the ranks. I mean, you know, it ain't that hard. Let's go. I'll take it. I'll take it. What's some other funny stuff we've been doing?

We got Dopeapod on the show. You actually got me hip to listening to them. They're like my favorite jam band. But Dopeapod is dope. First of all, they're all dope musicians. And it's metal because they got Neil. Well, the underrated thing for them with the rocking is Chuck. Yeah, Chuck is fire. Chuck's an incredible

rock bass player. So Dope Pod, they're just actually interesting. When you hear a Dope Pod song, I immediately know, oh, that's Dope-a-Pod. You can't say that about every band. Just say it, Nick. That you love me. Andy?

No. Anyway. So yeah, they're great guys, too. Chuck was in Denver. Do you ever hang out? No, you probably don't hang with him. I don't hang. He's too adventurous for me. He goes on those fucking river-wrapping trips and shit.

He's happily married, exercises every morning. You guys are just completely opposite people. I know. Damn. Chuck's a goofy, funny guy, though. They told me they don't drink after shows. I believe that. They're all pretty, like, chill dudes. They told me they don't drink after shows. I believe that. They're all pretty, like, chill dudes.

Yeah, and this interview with Eli was dope. He taught me about REM sleep. R-E-M? REM sleep? Yeah, that's rapid eye movement. Yeah, and he taught me that maybe because I'm not sleeping well is because I'm drinking heavily between 11 p.m. and 2 a.m. He said, you shouldn't have a drink at least seven hours before you go to bed.

Seven hours? Yeah. So what, you can have a warm drink with lunch? That means I can day drink, baby. Let's go. Eccles. Eccles. Come here.

Tell the story about when you saw me on Edibles. He doesn't want to be on the pod. There he is. Hey, Sean Eccles. Hey. Okay, we told the story But I want you to tell About when you came around

The corner of my eyes and stuff What happened? Buffalo, New York Playing at Ironworks We got gifted a big bag Of lots of weed And gummies You know

Nick He likes gummies This guy likes to ride them During the day And all these things How do you guys do that? I don't know how he plays gigs on it But then he

You know I investigated in our green room Because Nick has his own Vast green it's pretty cool and um it's like there's like 50 milligrams a piece jesus fucking christ um so i go over and i see nick in his green room look at pie i you know what pie i'd mean you barely see the whites of his eyes like looks like he's super swollen like he's allergic to something or had like a bee sting or something and i was like I saw the package open. I was like, you ate one of those 50 milligrams.

They're 10s. I'm assuming it's 50 per bag. So they're 10 a piece. And I was like, no, my man. So 50 milligrams a piece. And the guy saw you immediately get higher right then. And his eyes kept getting more swollen and more swollen. Oh, I would have been fucked.

And then when I watched him play in his set, I can't do that. He was visibly high. It's day off shit. That's some day off shit right there. Nick Erlach, he's a marijuana adventurer. He's a brave man. Before we get off this podcast,

how are you holding up? Me? I'm holding up. Seven weeks in, man. You know me. That's right. Rock and roll warrior right here. Knees are holding up.

Knees are holding up. Sean's got tattoos. I've got some new tattoos. New ink. We should all go get tattoos. I'm down to have a tattoo with you. We'll get days off to go day drinking and make bad decisions about what tattoos we should get. Beware.

Floyd and I talked about purposely getting no regerts. Like everybody. That's the van tattoo. No regerts. Everybody getting no regerts. Like everybody, that's the van tattoo. No regerts. Everybody gets no regerts. Come here. Come here. One more second.

Why do you want a no regert? It's funny. If we all got it. We were just talking about it. Might not remember. Why would I want a no regerts? Okay. He doesn't fucking remember talking to me last night.

That's what's wrong. No, I want to get the tattoo. I thought it'd be a cool band tattoo. You have American cheese, your favorite. Oh, I love American cheese. If everybody got it. If everybody got it, no regrets. Andy Avila.

Hot from making a sandwich. What's up, big dog? Small, Bo. Hi, Bo. I didn't make a sandwich. I didn't use bread. I'm watching my carbs. Let's go, buddy.

Floyd, you're not allowed to be in the podcast. Now we potting. Oh, my God. Now we pot. Floyd. All right, we're done here. Later, guys. Thank you so much. Oh my God. Now we pot. Floyd. All right, we're done here. Later, guys. Shouldn't you be hiding while someone carries your bass amp in?

Yeah. Shouldn't you be playing pinball in another building while someone carries your shit in, Floyd? Mm-hmm. Ernie. Ernie's here, too. He's shy. He doesn't want to talk.

Ernie's a shy one. What's up, Ernie? Ernie's a shy guy. Ernie's here, too. What's up, Ernie? What's up? Ernie's the quiet. Ernie's going home. He's going home for three days. I know. He's leaving us. He's leaving us, Bernie? Ernie's a shy guy. Ernie's here too. What's up, Ernie? What's up? Ernie's the quiet. Ernie's going home.

He's going home for three days. I know. So is Beats, right? Oh, Beats is too. Damn. I got to start doing that on our three days off. You have nothing to go home to. You're right.

Got him. All right. We're done. What is home? What's home for you? You know what I mean? Okay. Brian Stasek's house.

All right. We're done. We're done here. We're done. We're done here. I never said I love him either, by the way. house. All right, we're done. We're done here. We're done. I never said I love him either, by the way. Bye. All right, guys.

We love you. Be safe. Have a great fucking week. Don't let your demons get you down. And do whatever you got to do to stay happy. Fuck yeah. Stay inspired. And maybe one day Nick Gerlach will appreciate that I pump his ass up That I am his best friend

This guy, this Kip Labiski or whatever Kip Zaloski Kip Zaloski is fucking done In your life Alright guys I love you, enjoy your life Alright, next up on the interview hour, we have Eli from Dope-a-Pod.

Yo, Chris, play Dope-a-Pod's new single. Guys kicking ass out there. They're on tour for about a month. So go see them. They got a tour bus now. They're rich. Rich, hot guys. I saw some pictures.

They had some crowds. You guys better get out there. Yeah, they're getting big crowds. Puddin' plays were packed. Yeah, so go watch Dope Papa, one of the best live bands out there. And go check out this new single that I'm about to play right now. All right. Enjoy your life. Right.

Right. Right. Hey, Eli. Andy! What's up, Big Daddy? How you doing? I can't complain. I'm doing pretty good. How's your new house out there in South Philly? It's great, man. We're starting to really get settled here and starting to really feel like a home. Got the whole

studio set up and the roof is amazing. Yeah, the roof is so fucking sick, dude. I love kicking it there and I love how the studio is coming out and it looks like you're living the dream, bud. Living the dream, without a doubt. Cannot complain.

I just started... I was going to say, I just started for what did you say sorry i was gonna say i just started for some reason i'm doing sober october yeah let's fucking go hell yeah bud you know what i've done it a couple times in the past i tried it last year i just could not i couldn't get through it just because it was like you know deep into into everything last year with the pandemic yeah um this year like i feel like i've just been really you know smoking more weed than normal so when i stopped smoking weed i've been having like extreme withdrawal like yeah for sure like i can't sleep i sleep like know, like I wake up every, every like two hours.

Well, when you're while through this, through the sober October. Just, yeah. You know, through this last week, it's just been like, like now I feel like I'm just actually starting to get out of that phase. Like I feel, you know, like myself again, but. Yeah. You're relapsing. I had a withdrawal. Yeah, a withdrawal. That's what it is. Yeah. And it's like, I looked it up online. It's a thing. And I think because weed is way more potent

now. And this past year, I've just been home a lot. And it's so easy just to smoke here, smoke there. And it adds up. Yeah. So what about your dreaming? Are you dreaming crazier too? Way more dreams. I used to

really just not dream. And now it's just every night I have six dreams. What's the weirdest dream you've had so far on your sober October? Last night I was hanging out with the cast of Schitt's Creek. Really? a summer camp where like the rest of

the band was there and we were like performing and it was it was very it's so weird it feels so feels so real when it's happening you know yeah I know it's crazy I've been smoking way less weed than I normally do and now I'm starting to dream. And like, I gotta, I gotta be aware of what's on the television. Like I had squid games on the television. And I was having crazy fucking dreams of people chasing me and like, yeah, just like scary shit or like I'm frozen and I can't get out of this. Like sleep paralysis or whatever.

Sleep paralysis. Yeah, totally. It's some real shit, dude. It's cause you're in the rem sleep and then it just it just like shuts down your body so that um it can you know start to heal you yeah and stuff yeah you know that's a great topic you talking about healing yourself you know you said you had a speech uh yeah you had something wrong with your speech yeah i wanted to

say something about it at the start of this just to address the elephant in the room. It's not as obvious as it used to be, but I definitely have a stutter. I was so nervous as I got into this. I was just like, I felt like I was about to go on a skydiving

adventure, honestly. I was just like, my heart was just because it's so ingrained in me at such a young age, like people used to just, you know, laugh at me. And like, even now it happens like at the weirdest times, like if I'm at like a Starbucks and they ask my name, I can't just say my name.

I can't do it right now. I can't say Eli. Like I have to do a little pause and like a little, I have to like slap my hand on my leg and do a little. People used to make fun of you over this over how you spoke even now it happens if i have if i'm like there's a pause and like what you don't know your own name and they don't mean to be an asshole about it it's just like their way of like handling the awkwardness and like i don't take it personally

but it's definitely like every time it's like did it hurt you as a kid yeah big time man it was uh what happened yeah tell me about it just you know having to read out loud in class and i would stutter and it's just like i feel like it's just like trauma yeah for me from a young age and i think that's why like social um you know anxiety for me is a thing just because when i'm like talking to someone i don't know well or you know if I'm in an environment where I'm like a little bit nervous then I can't just like be myself because like my brain is like just just like remembers all the trauma from when I was a kid man so fucked up so do you go to therapy for that no like in, I used to go to speech and stuff. But now what I do is I read every day

out loud and I practice it. And I just try to improve my ability to speak. And I really don't have a stutter anymore. And I've actually noticed a lot of people have it. I noticed a lot of people, what I do to avoid it is if I'm about to stutter, then I'll think of like some other word I can say. Yeah. You know, fuck the kids, dude. Fuck kids. Honestly, they're so mean. So I was, I was fat when I was a kid and they were making fun of me for being fat and shit. They call me Andy Fatso. I kind of like tormented me and it gave me an eating disorder or like high school through college. It kind of fucked me up.

It's amazing the traumas that kids go through that they just suppress. People are fucking mean. Yeah. Because it makes people feel better about themselves. Yeah, that they're better than you or some bullshit. Yeah, it's weird. It's really weird. So when did you finally have a breakthrough, you think? Well, I think with music, that was the thing that made me special or whatever.

It was just like, wow, look at Eli. He can perform. And it gave me confidence. And I don't stutter when I sing. It's a different part of your brain completely. And yeah, I don't know. I think just over time I've like gotten more comfortable with it and it doesn't bother me as much as it used to, but it's weird. It's like at Starbucks, that's when it happens. It's like the weirdest thing. What about like parties where you don't know anybody? That's just like social anxiety and I'll just feel like a little bit, but I don't know. I feel like a lot of people have it so much worse oh yeah i can't complain about it you know i've never heard it

out of you yeah i mean i think who told me like gerlach said yeah he was insecure about how when he talks a little bit yeah in the beginning when i've just meeting him we're all in that nba fantasy league yeah yeah but like i've hung out your house and you're fucking og you're pimping dog you you got you're all good yeah i mean it's just everybody has their own thing going on and it's like at this point i'm just really good at avoiding it and like if you look um joe biden has a stutter and when he has to say someone's name, that's when you can really see it come out. But he does the same thing.

He thinks of a different word or just like different order of words just to like say the same thing. And look at him, he's president. Yeah. That's all good. Look at you, you're a badass keyboard player. Let's fucking go.

See, everyone makes it through, baby. I want to talk about the social anxiety a little bit. Like, do you ever get it when you're on stage? Well, that's not really being like so... I mean, sometimes I'm like afraid of talking to Mike. Like, we just did like a wedding. And there was like... When I don't...

Like, at that environment, I was like, most of the people here are not like fans of the band. But like, the bride is. Yeah. And it's like it's like so it's like it's an interesting environment and in that situation i did feel a little bit like anxious to talk it wasn't like the way i feel like a packed show but what's up you know yeah excited what about like social anxiety like when you get into the venue and you're just meeting all the stage hands and stuff do you think anxiety gets you pretty heavy then yeah i always like think about like am i an asshole because i don't know this person's name it's like i met this person before and now like they think i'm an ass like my brain starts to go on like different paths of like overthinking everything and it's like no one

is thinking about that yeah but like it is cool when you can remember people's names like that i know that i feel good when someone knows my name like i want to work on that too but it's just like sometimes i just get in my own way i'm like is it like because i need like you don't want to guess because then it's like so much worse it's bill right no it's jonathan ass know, but like also you should give yourself the benefit of the doubt. You meet so many fucking people every day. I mean, you're always on the road. You're always meeting new people.

Like you got to be less hard on yourself about that. Yeah. But that's part of why I'm trying to smoke less weed too. I just think like I'm making my brain less powerful when I smoke every day. Yeah. Well, that's good. What about like growing up? Like was it hard for

you to find friends was it well i had a lot of like i had a lot of like like abandonment from from friends like really young like just what people that were like my best friends and then all of a sudden like i just have this one image of like these three kids that like were my friends they were like riding away from me to like get away from me it's just like yeah it's terrible they're very traumatizing yeah so i've had a few of those like maybe i wasn't a good friend i don't know but like it just felt like i was fat i had a stutter and then like then like music was the thing that like made me special and like made me like all of a sudden it's like i was cool and then i had a lot of friends you know but i you know i had like really a really good core group of friends that like i'm

still really close with it's like the main reason i live here in philly because like a lot of them live here and so was it hard for you to find girls no i mean not really you were good with that at first like when i was fat and young and awkward yeah but then like it was all honestly with that's the whole thing like for me like it was it was music made me cool and then now that's why if i feel like i get the sense that like things are going badly for me with like my music career then I start to like it becomes like existential dread because it was like the thing that was like my life preserver what so what are what are things that trigger you thinking it's doomsday for your music career just the dumbest shit ever like it's not even real like the thing that happens with

everyone on like Instagram when you're scrolling and like you see something that like you get that you get like jealous about yeah and it just like triggers it and then all of a sudden it's like i need to like i need to post i need to do something i need to like but it's all just an illusion that's like not even real up dude i think social media fucked us up yeah especially musicians who have to like you know this has now become 70% of their life is to like post something like hey I'm I'm doing a piano solo or I'm doing a fucking interview you know it's like it's a double-edged thing though yeah it's like amazing that anyone can post at any time and like potentially reach the world yeah that's amazing but then it's also like you're comparing yourself to the cream of the crop at all times.

Yeah, that's what fucks with me too. Sometimes I look at my friends who are fucking just selling out rooms and then I look at my ticket counts on some shows. I'm like, fuck. Yeah, I stopped looking at the ticket counts because it just hurts. I know.

And I feel like with the jam scene, it really is a lot of walk-up anyway. Yeah, it's true. What about during COVID too? How's the shows? have the walk-up still been good we've had great shows we haven't played that many shows just because everybody has like a lot going on in their lives and we all live like all spread out so but the shows that we have played have been amazing like because like we took a year off in 2018. For what? So we, uh, just weird burnout. We were completely burned out.

And it was like, we, if we keep going at this space, like the way we are right now, this is over. And so we were like, we just need a break. I read this book about how this guy takes a year off every seven years. And it's like, yeah, like in that time time he creates he just has so many breakthroughs that fueled the next chunk of seven years like if he didn't take that year off to like unplug and like just do like some deep thinking it wouldn't have you know fueled the years to come how important is that to you um i you know in the like if i had known that a pandemic was like right on the you know horizon i probably would have like let's

just do one more year you know because it's like then it was like we had another year off and it's like god damn it's like fuck like you can't get a break and like so now so like what was the mindset of the band after having two years off well when we were like you know we're like we need a year off this is like we needed a break and we all still like talked all this time and did random gigs together we did like side project stuff together and it was great and then we came back had like an amazing show at the cap and it was like this is i can't believe this is like i i did not know if the band was going to be a band anymore that was just like who knows and it came back and it was like the best show we ever had and it was just so incredible and then we like just we played we went with like a less is more approach in general we're like

let's play less shows but like make them try to make them you know bigger and just do do that and so that was like our approach and then we were literally just about to start a full tour again march 2020 and we had to like leave the road right in the middle of the first week fuck it's just like fucking with us like it feels like a simulation you know it just feels like something it's just like or you know so as the band leader how do you keep the band inspired after like you know like uh when you feel like the wheels have just gotten flattened when you guys were just on a fucking cloud nine from that cap show? Just,

I feel, I feel like new music is the thing that pumps life into a band. And that's the hard part is like, cause like, it's really easy to write new music,

but it's hard to write like really good new music. Yeah. And like that, like genuinely people like enjoy to play and like the fans actually really like.

And when you're able to find that, I think that's when people are just like, it just breathes this whole new life into it. No, totally. And how... With everyone being so spread out, I'm in that same predicament. How are you writing with the band? Well,

we've always written where I do a demo. Well, we have a few different ways we do it. But generally, we usually will have a demo. Well, we have a few different ways we do it, but generally, we usually will have a demo and then we all kind of add our own thing to it. Yeah. So we didn't really have to change the process too much. I would just...

I make demos all the time and I email them out to everybody. And most of the time... Yeah, you're a fucking machine like that, dude. Just like no one responds. I'm like, all right, cool, whatever. No, you are a music machine, dude. I mean, not like some people, though.

I feel like I try. I do try. I definitely like, I tried out this whole thing about the muse. You show up for the quantity, and the muse will show up for the quality. So one or two out of 10 if you're lucky are really good yeah and just like getting used to like making stuff that like isn't good and like not not letting it fuck with you has it ever fucked with you when the guys don't respond back to every time yeah every single time what do you think that is i do it to other people too so you know i don't

mean to do it on purpose or anything but like sometimes if you don't have anything nice to say it's like you're not like a lie yeah like when you put like a demo in the group chat like hey what do you think and it's crickets yeah yeah crickets it's like all right it's not good but all right but like sometimes it is good and sometimes i'll use it for another project and it's great yeah like when do you you know because you make so much music like when do you decide when when a song goes to Dope-a-Pod versus your solo projects versus your other projects versus just making music to fill time?

How do you make that decision in your head? I mean, it really comes down to the ones that I show them. First, I'll send it, and then maybe they respond. If they respond, I'm like, all right, cool, they're into it. And if not, I'll try to show them again when i'm like with them like hey what do you think about this i'm like dude this is sick why don't you send this to me like i did send it to you and then probably just they're busy and yeah everyone's in their own world it's all good you know but um um so yeah but like i think sometimes when i'm making stuff like i know

like this one is it's gonna work to work for Dovapod. This one's going to work for Octave Cat. This one is not either of those at all. I have no idea what this is going to be. And it's going to end up on like this, like NFT thing. I've like, that's like a recent thing I've been doing with, um, Charlie, the drummer for Octave Cat is like really into that world, the NFT and

crypto world. And I've had a few beats end up on these things that are like, they're actually really successful NFTs. This thing is like Shrooms. It's called SH.

Shrooms with a Z. Okay, so tell me about NFTs. So I'm brain dead about this fucking thing. It's like shrooms. It's called SH, shrooms with a Z. Okay. So tell me about NFTs. So I'm brain dead about this fucking thing. I have no idea. Is it kind of like the stock market? Is it for a piece of art? This is the way I describe it now that I think I kind of get it. First of all, it makes no sense that people would spend this much money on these things. First of all, it makes no sense that people would spend this much money on these things. The reason I think people do spend this much money on it, my theory is that they have a bunch of money sitting in Coinbase or crypto, and they want to grow it. And every time you take it out and turn it into cash, you have to pay fees on it.

And then I think the taxes, too. That's when you pay the taxes, when you cash it out i could be totally wrong about that that makes sense yeah it's basically a way that people can like grow their money and what it is is this an nft think of it like a pack of baseball cards or whatever kind of cards you're into. Like, if you get Pokemon cards, one of those happens to be, like, the rare card, you know? Like, so what this is is, like, the shrooms thing is, like, there's, it's a picture of a shroom with all different attributes.

So it's, like, a different background, a different kind of, like, tattoo on the face, socks, and the music, like all these things, it randomly generates 10,000 of them at one time. And so certain ones that get generated are like really rare. So they become like valuable, apparently. How does one pick like a random song like how does the computer pick like your song to be the 10 000 it's just they write the algorithm it's just like the way that like i had i had four of my beats end up in it and the the guy that made it was like i really like this one so i'm gonna put it in a lot of them because i just like want people to hear it And he's like, and these other ones, I'm going to put them

in less. So it's like a rare attribute and it makes this particular shroom more valuable. So are they counting on your success as a musician? So let's say you become a super fucking famous composer. it does that affect it at all not really it's more just um people like when they mint an nft they make ten thousand at one time and people just buy like ten at a time so it's like they buy a pack of cards and they're hoping that one of them is a really rare one and when they get the rare one then they can sell that for way more and it's basically it's like a slot machine you know yeah wow it's so fascinating so like how do you how does how do you generate money from this they pay me like up front per track and then they pay like

a cut too oh so you get to buy so you get a piece of the of the action too if it pay like a cut too. Oh, so you get to buy. So you get a piece of the, of the action too. If it pops. It's like a royalty. Yeah. Well, that's sick. I mean. Yeah. NFTs are, they, I've heard people say this before.

And every time I hear people say, I'm like, you're an asshole, but it's true. NFTs are the future because you can do all different things with it. Like say that you have a show in Denver, which you do, right? Yeah. This weekend. Yeah. People can go to that show. And just by being there,

they get an NFT saying they were at that show. Then the next time around when you come, if they have that NFT, they get all these different perks. They can come to soundcheck. They can come... Or you can make it do anything. You can get...

If you have that NFT from the last show, and then you come to the next show, you get 20% off on merch. So it's like a perfect way for a fan club. Yeah. It's like a fan club. It's like collector's items. And there's just so much money in that space.

And people are throwing around thousands of dollars like it's nothing. It's insane. Can you do the same thing with, say, the jam scene is really into pins and shit. Can you make an NFT pin? Yeah, I mean, that's basically what it is, except an NFT doesn't exist. It's just like a digital asset.

That's what it is. It's like you can't even touch it. And anyone can look at any NFT. They can go to... You have a wallet. That's what it's called. And in that are all of your, if you can,

you can have like a public wallet and then you have all of your NFTs in there. And so like, it's going to be on people's Instagrams and on their Facebook and stuff. And you can see like, all right, this person was at Bonner. This person was at this festival, that show, that show, that show.

And they have this really rare shroom thing. It went viral, blah, blah, blah. It's like supreme culture in the digital space. It's so fascinating. Yeah, because I feel like that's the new currency too, right? Yeah, I mean mean for sure it's it's cool because it takes the power away from you know the government hell yeah it really does i'll clap i'll clap to that let's get it let's get it we're running this shit now we run this i wish i had a button like that

i'll do it for you buddy all right it is halftime at the endy fresco interviewer hello everybody welcome to sports with dola he's talking shit about the game he's got a weird fucking name it's sports with Don't Love. This week we're going to be talking some NBA. Fantasy style. That's right. Fantasy basketball is back and bigger than ever. We got the NBA Jam Band League with all the shit talking. Well, that never left.

So much shit talking. We got a brand new league, the Degenerate League. Let's fucking go. All the motherfuckers are back. We got Jack motherfucking Brown. We got motherfucking new league, the Degenerate League. Let's fucking go. All the motherfuckers are back. We got Jack motherfucking Brown. We got motherfucking Gerlach. We got motherfucker Big Dick Nick. We got Andy's son, motherfucking Taz.

We also got some new heads. We got Taylor from Turquoise. Yeah. Fucking Chris Lager. But I'm going to take these motherfuckers down because they ain't shit. We got Phyllis. Esports with fucking Phyllis okay okay dolab can we take a brief detour out of jazz nation andy would like me to introduce myself as blackout phil but i'm not going to do that because my first appearance was a strong

brown out if anything second of all i'm helping him meet his quota of female voices on the podcast and third of all he cannot tell me what to do. I am just as excited as you, Dolab. Basketball is back. Despite the many, many nights that I have cried myself to sleep over the Dallas Mavericks, we have seen some truly great games in the first week. Steph Curry got his first triple-double in, what, five or six years and said he still played like trash. Maybe that's why the Mavericks performed the way they did on Thursday. They wanted Steph to see what trash truly looks like because that game was, once again, trash blowing in the wind. And hopefully the management has learned

that they can no longer promote this Chris Stubbs-Portzingas is a unicorn bullshit any longer. Because, as Barkley said best, he's no unicorn. He looks like a one-legged donkey out there. Five rebounds from a 7'foot-3 man is simply unacceptable. The man is getting paid $31 million a year. He needs to adapt his game. If he wants to play like a guard, then he needs to still get his skinny ass down there, box out, and at least try to get a rebound.

Hopefully that degradation lights a fire under the Mavs' ass and shows them that they have something to prove. Especially KP. Because it's time for him to earn his keep or take a seat. It's Sports with the fucking Phillies. Oh, my goodness. Woo-hoo! So tell me, can you do that for new EPs? Can people buy into an EP, you think?

You're putting out a new EP, right? Yeah, we are. We have a new album coming out. This is the, yeah, we are. We have a new album coming out. This is the idea I have with it. So instead of like any band could put out their new album, say it's 10 tracks. So you get each track as an NFT, but then the attributes of the art, certain ones, like you'll get like track four is really rare. It's a really rare track four.

Certain ones, you'll get like track four is really rare. It's a really rare track four. And someone in the internet loves track four and wants that super rare version and will pay thousands of dollars for it. Wow. That sounds like it could help with the change of how the music industry is getting royalties. Exactly.

It puts money back in the artist's pocket. And every time it sells after that, so that person bought it for a few thousand dollars. And in 20 years, they sell it for 10 times more. The artist gets that cut again. Oh, let's fucking go. Okay. Now this is making sense now. Okay. This is making sense. So are you guys planning to do that on your new EP? No, probably not. But in the future. It's coming. Yeah. I think everyone's going to be doing it.

Even every corporation's going to be doing it. Probably governments are going to be doing it too. Because I see artists doing it with specific art. They're one piece. And that makes sense. It kind of feels like a baseball card, where there's only a limited quantity of baseball cards. And only people can...

Did you hear about how Wu-Tang did their album? I think someone bought their... They did an NFT for a whole record and someone bought the rights of the whole master. Yeah, it makes no sense that there's people in this planet that can't afford food. And then there's other people that are throwing around thousands of dollars for something that isn't even real. Like a digital asset.

Well, that's the problem, I think. The wealth is so weakly dispersed around our world. That's why we say that. What's really cool with the thing that I just did the shrooms thing see like that's my stutter right there that is what I'm stuttering it's not that bad but it's kind of like what's wrong with this guy he's like is he high like I was

high not right now when I thought of a stutter I think of like yeah well if I used to try to like say the word anyway and now I just don't say it, and I have to do it. Anyways, the shrooms thing, the guy that made it found an artist in Colombia, and he's the one that did the art for the shroom thing. And he sent this guy thousands of dollars, and the guy just started crying. This is life-changing money for this guy.

For anybody, especially for someone that is living in poverty in Colombia. started crying this is like life-changing money for this guy you know like for anybody yeah for especially for someone that is living in poverty like in columbia yeah just uh it's fucking beautiful it's amazing yeah it is really it's really cool i mean like you know we could let you know let's let's veer into that life-changing stuff that is music i mean like let's talk about your ep like what what's it called what when is it coming out what do you got so it is our seventh album holy shit and there's seven letters in dopapod and every album is a palindrome so this album is what is a palindrome palindrome is a word that spelled the same way frontwards or backwards oh sick, sick. So the first album was Radar, then Drawn Onward, Redivider,

Never Odd or Even, then Mega Gym, then Emit Time. And that was the one we did after the year off. And now this is the seventh album, and it's going to be a self-titled album. So tell me about it like how hard was it to write a record during the quarantine we actually started it before the quarantine so like it was like we had like the basics recorded right before the pandemic and then we just did overdubs and mixing and all that stuff during the but it was like it was hard because we were like it was

during the pandemic so it was like you guys don because we were like it was during the pandemic so it was like you guys don't live with each other yeah so like we met in Syracuse at

Moorsound shout out to Jocko at Moorsound yeah he's he's an incredible um engineer

and an incredible person and he works with like all different bands in the scene. Like, you know, he does. Is that where Sophistafunk? Sophistafunk, yeah. Oh, I know.

It's like a three-story studio? Yeah. I love that place. You guys recorded there? Yeah, we've made a few albums there now. So like, does it give you like an existential crisis that like this is the last of the seven albums? Not like last project you ever do,

but like the last of a finished product you said you have seven records out of that idea you had you know i mean i don't necessarily think it's gonna be the last album but it was just like i like there's something about the number seven just like felt special and i just wanted to like emphasize that and we didn't have a self-titled album. I thought it was kind of cool to do it this far along. Actually, I think I heard that

My Morning Jacket is also doing a self-titled album. Sick, dude. What do you want people to get out of this record? Well, there's definitely some themes and messages in it. But one of the songs is called Enough.

And it's like, I am enough. I do enough. I have enough. And it's just about trying to not feel like you aren't enough. Yeah. And being okay with where you are. A lot of our music going back for a while, actually. Well, I should actually say about all this stuff.

So I don't know if I should give it away right now. Okay. Because I think this is going to come out before we announce all this. No, I'm putting this out. When does it come out? Well, the first songs that had come out in like two weeks. Yeah. This is coming out then yeah so then the full album is going to come out after that so i don't want to give away everything yeah don't blow your load yeah yeah um but the themes of about our music for a while it's about like being in the present moment um the you know symmetry of

like binary pairs like happy sad hot cold all that stuff um and like there's like a lot of you know like time travel in uh involved in in our music on the past four albums we've had like a few songs on every album that are are about time travel what are you so fascinated about time travel it's just like it's interesting just to think about the possibility of it and but like the reason to think about it is because you actually don't want to travel time you want to be in this moment now yeah and that's kind of like for us as a jam band like being in the present moment and listening and like being extremely present is the way to be and that's just that goes for anybody but especially when

you're improvising like that's when the best stuff happens but everyone is tuned into everyone and you're in that moment you're not thinking about anything else and you're just enjoying the moment how hard is it to stay present when you're on a fucking you know three-week tour four-week tour and you're always thinking about the next thing you have to do yeah i mean i haven't done a three-week four-week tour in like three years now so like we have this tour coming up and it's like the longest tour done in three or four years. How long is it? It's like a four-week chunk and then a three-week chunk. Damn. Yeah.

We're back, baby. We're back. I just got my third shot. Let's fucking go. Yeah, I got my third Fauci-ouchie. Hey. But talk about this. It's got to be extremely difficult when you have anxiety and stuff.

You have anxiety, I have anxiety. We all go through it. Yeah. Or worrying about if if you're gonna stutter and all that stuff like yeah it's gotta be super hard for you to be present yeah i just think i like a lot of creative people in general have add and that's like why we have weird ideas that we explore and that's like it's the double-edged sword of being a creative person yeah you know it's like if you didn't have anxiety and like a spiraling mind then you wouldn't have like you wouldn't find like you know the gold at the end of the rainbow or whatever like that's kind of how you like you have to like kind of daydream and extrapolate on thoughts to get to these special things that other people might not have reached yet or in the way that you do it. Do you think if you were being present during the burnout years that you wouldn't have been as burnt out?

out years that you wouldn't have been as burnt out yeah well i think you know we we definitely i think that we just went too hard for too long we toured super hard from basically 2010 to 2018 yeah like that was just too much and especially the way way that, that we were touring in the, in the van and the way you're doing it right now with like, you know, five shows a week, like in a van, it's like really hard. Yeah. Like you don't,

you don't sleep enough. And when you drink, you have like one or two drinks after the show or before whatever you are destroying your sleep. Like you don't reach REM sleep. If you have a drink after like noon. Really? There's this book that I suggest. There's two books that I wanted to give a shout out to on this podcast called Why We Sleep and Breath. Okay. So let's talk about this, how important

REM sleep is. It's extremely important. And when you have a drink, like when you have like a nightcap, you think that it helps you fall asleep. It does help you fall asleep, but you're not reaching the deep levels of sleep. That's when your body's immune system is healing yourself. And that's why you wake up and like you're not rested, even if you slept a lot. I got to stop blacking out. Yeah, I drink. See, I don't drink all day,

but I drink from showtime from like 10.30 until 2 or 3 a.m. Yeah, I used to do that too. That's probably the worst time to drink. It's the worst time to drink. And yeah, it's like, I've been trying to just like not drink at all until like the last show of the run that's that's my new thing that's because i just wait until like i have like a

few days off and like all right i'm gonna have a drink but um what about when you're i think that was that was part of why like we you know like that's part of why we burned out because we were like we were all drinking just not like alcoholic style but just like you have one or two drinks three drinks as you're packing up and loading out and then you then you get to the hotel 3 30 you're wired looking at your phone because you can't fall asleep yet till five and wake up at 8 a.m to drive eight hours yeah and it so, that's why like mental health in the music industry is like really hard. At the forefront.

Because. Yeah. That totally makes sense, Eli. Like. Yeah. We are, we're already sleep deprived and the sleep we're getting

isn't the right sleep. Yeah. And so sleep is probably, it is, is essentially the most important thing to do for your body. I agree. A hundred percent.

That is, it's everything. Did you guys ever like fight each other when you're fucking burnt out? I mean, I feel like I have like calmed down a lot. You used to be, you used to be angry, dude.

I never, Oh my God. You used to be angry, dude. I was just passionate, I think. And yeah, like I would get,

and I would get like mad and then i would get depressed yeah i still get depressed and i still get mad but not like the way i used to hold on so do you think the mad being mad and realize then what was making you depressed like you realize like i fucked this up it's just like uh it's like when i get, it's like my brain is like running wild with everything that everyone else is thinking about me that they're not thinking. But in my brain, they are. They're thinking like all these things about me that I think about. It's really what I think about myself. Yeah.

That like when I'm in a good mood, I don't have those thoughts. But sometimes I kind of like will flip to this. It's almost like I'm a different person. Honestly. Do you suppress your anger or do you take it out on other people? I mean, I try to avoid anger. But sometimes I just... Yeah.

I don't know if I take it out on other people. You take it out on your keyboard or your fucking big ass fucking b3s and like just throw it off the fucking stage like well like i try to exercise and meditate every day try to do that and when i do that i'm pretty much i'm good but if i don't do that for a few days, I'll get angry. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'll get depressed. So how important is exercise? It's so important for me. I'm addicted to exercise. Like what?

What do you do? I do, every other day I'll do yoga and then we have a Peloton. Me and Allison here. Oh, yeah. My fiance. Shout out to Allison. Yeah, fuck yeah. Shoutoton. Me and Allison here. Oh, yeah. Beyonce. Do you think- Shout out to Allison. Yeah, fuck yeah.

Shout out. She's the shit. She's the shit. Isn't she like a nurse or a doctor? Yeah, she's a nurse practitioner at Penn. For cancer, right? Yeah. Dude.

How hard is it on her head to see people dying like that? It's really hard. I mean, she has really long hard days that's just like the way like the health care industry like is way way darker than the music industry so fuck yeah i mean people are so burnt out right now in that industry it's really really hard um but like we used to go to she got me into yoga and then also like spin class. We used to go to this place, Flywheel. And that's like how I got like introduced to spin bike.

And it's like, it's amazing because you'll ride for half an hour, 45 minutes and you burn like a thousand calories and you're dripping sweat. I love it. It's a drug. Hell yeah. You feel so good. And some of those motherfucking places are like nightclubs, dog.

They got the lights on. It's like, boom. You can fucking do it. I'm like, Jesus, stop yelling at me. I'll fucking run.

Stop yelling at me. It's like crazy. But that's, you bring up a good point. We always talk about mental health with everyone else besides the nurses. Oh yeah.

They gotta be dealing with so much shit and suppress so much shit like i've been watching videos of like nurses just breaking down in their cars after like a long covid day it's really hard like especially people that like they're not vaccinated and then they go into the hospital like why can't you help me it's like because you didn't get vaccinated i don't know what like you had you could have been vaccinated but you didn't do it and now it's too late and it's just horrible man yeah that's got to be crazy for them because that's like basically they are getting a human's

last plea sometimes like please help me please why yeah no they can't help and they can't too late yeah god so what did God. So what happens? All right, now I'm going into your relationship a little bit. Yeah, yeah. So what happens when you're just having a fucking depressed, when you're burnt out and she was all burnt out? How did you keep that relationship going when both of y'all are just like fucking...

Yeah, I mean, it's hard. It's really hard. I think we both... If we're both exercising, meditating, like I feel like meditation is exercise for your brain. Like it's like just as important as exercise. And yeah, I mean, we have our moments where it's really hard. And then it always, so I like the analogy of the clouds in the sky, like behind it,

there's the blue sky. There always is the blue sky, even if it doesn't feel like there is. And eventually those clouds always go away. Yeah. And it's just like, just remembering like, all right,

this is going to go away. This sucks right now. I don't feel good, but it always, it's never not come back. The blue sky, unless you're in the matrix when when they black out the sky that's so that could happen but you know hopefully it doesn't happen why'd

you forget that in uh when you're thinking about your band through that uh burnout year um well i think i i've grown a That's like, so right when we started that hiatus is when, so like I'm a Sixers guy, you know. Sorry about Ben. Because I live in Philly. It's a terrible time to be a Sixers guy. I'm sorry, bro. Terrible.

Like this is, I'm heartbroken. I'm destroyed, whatever. It's fine. It's fine. Everything is fine. Yeah. Everything's great. Yeah.

But anyway, so like right when we started the hiatus is when i started like i was very inspired by trust the process yeah that i was like i liked the idea of like incremental growth like as long as you show up every day and do these certain things whatever like your list is you will grow a little bit every day and you don't feel like you're growing in the moment but then like you look back a month later you're like holy shit look at everything i just did oh my god and that's like how you grow yeah it's like trust the process and that's why i'm like especially crushed by the sixers because and like the story's not over like hopefully they figure it out but um that was like what really inspired like my time in the hiatus to like grow and like learn how to like deal with

myself and my emotions and like also to like try to like get better i was just like i feel like if i practice every day and like practice like all different aspects of my game every day. It will be incremental growth. And hopefully, I'll get to a place where I'm good enough to be successful, whatever that means. What similarities do you see in basketball and improvisational music? That needs to be a podcast with the whole NBA Jam crew. Yeah, our whole fantasy. There's so many things that are the

same all right give it to me yeah um well I knew like first of all like the one thing that isn't the same is like there's no defense there's no like opposing team the opposing team is yourself yeah when you get in the way of yourself yeah and when like your ego when you're thinking about you're not in the moment and that happens i'm sure that happens in basketball too like when you're not in the moment and don't have your eyes open and like seeing the whole court then you're not gonna see that pass and it's the same thing in a jam if you're like listening to everyone else you'll hear that cue from someone else that'll inspire this moment that will like the alley-oop you know yeah and that's one thing rhythm is huge in basketball

yeah the whole thing is rhythm and like group rhythm group like coordinated rhythm like it's five guys but it's like they're one organism and that's kind of like a band too yeah um so fascinating what about like okay so like let's talk talk about inside the mind of Dope Apai when you're improvising. Is everyone a point guard? Do you pass the ball? Does everyone pass the ball? Who's running this shit? I think that you have in a band, depending on the band, there's a few ball handlers.

And then there's a few front court guys that hold it down. So who has to look at everybody? Everyone has to look at everybody. Everyone has to look at everybody. That's when the best shit happens. And you're not necessarily looking. You're looking with your ears. Your ears.

Same thing. Yeah. So this is so fascinating to me. So like truly is when you're on stage with your boys is when you are the most present out of your whole day. That's the best part. That's the thing that makes it all worth it. Yeah.

Those moments on stage when things happen that you can't explain and it's just like it feels so good and it's so fun and you get just get a rush of positive energy when it's a good show yeah it's like that's very similar to basketball like you're not always gonna have a great game and that's part of it you can't get you can't get down on that like it's just part of like michael jordan had so many bad games yeah true like it happens to everybody. There's no avoiding it. Do you remember the time when, what was your, like,

what show do you remember the most when everyone was just fucking dialed in? That's just, like, I feel like every show is blended into my brain. It's so hard to think about when everyone's dialed in. Oh, well, I would say that Peach Fest this year. Dude, you guys fucking killed it, that set, dude. blended into my brain it's it's so hard to think about when everyone's dialed in oh well i would say that peach fest this year dude you guys fucking killed it that set dude dude it was a huge crowd beautiful like sunset it was like yeah or was that the night show that was at night yeah um so we started doing like a little bit of a micro dose of like mushrooms before shows hell yeah not not every show though not every show but like certain shows when it's like a little bit of a micro dose of like mushrooms before shows hell yeah not not

every show though not every show but like certain shows when it's like a big one when it's like the most scary to do it yeah that's when we're like it's just the smallest amount like the smallest amount i probably shouldn't we might have to edit this out i gotta ask everybody if it's okay okay that's fine um but let's talk about that a hair just in case we don't have to edit it out yeah so what do you like about you guys all taking a little microdose at the same time? It puts everybody in the moment, but you can't get out of the moment. You're in that moment.

True. And it's like a telepathic thing happens. Like certain things that you can't explain. Like why did he cut out the drums right when I switched to this keyboard? Like, why did that just happen? Like maybe he was watching me, but I don't know. Just certain things line up perfectly.

And I also feel like it forces you to listen more instead of sometimes when I play, I'll just be thinking about what I'm playing. And that's what I don't like. I can tell when I'm doing that. I can tell when I'm thinking about what can tell when like i'm thinking about what i'm playing because it's like i listen back to it i'm like oh i was like i should have been like not playing in that moment because there was all this other cool shit happening and if i waited

like three bars and then started playing right there that would have felt so much better for me and the crowd and everyone do you ever like read read a, it's kind of like a, like watching tape, like a team. So like you go, cause you guys like jam scene, always like records are set and stuff. And like, do you ever like listen, like get cringy about like,

Oh fuck, I should have done this. I should have done that. Yes. And it makes you better. Um, or do you think you're overanalyzing it? I think that if you never do that if you never

listen back then that's a recipe for for disaster it's like you have to like it's uncomfortable to hear your own voice and to hear your own your own art it is like it's it's uncomfortable because it's like you take like your relationship with it is so different from everyone else's yeah and like y'all everyone has the thing where like you hate that show in the moment and then you listen back and you love it or you love that show in the moment you listen back to it later and you hate it yeah i i did i did that too i stopped like talking about beating off on stage i was was like, ooh, this is not attractive. I thought it was just a funny joke,

but then I was like, let me re-listen to it or say some things. It's like, damn. I think you're spot on about that. And the best players were the players who studied tape. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson. I don't think he studied tape. He was more of a... What was Allen Iverson? I'm not sure about Allen Iverson. I don't think he's on the tape. He was more of a...

What was Allen Iverson? I'm not sure about Allen Iverson. He was just amazing. I don't know if he even needed to. Yeah, what's the deal going on right now where they don't... I saw Stephen A talking some shit about the Sixers organization about disrespecting Iverson when you needed him. I don't know.

I got to... I'll re-watch it i i'm not i'm not sure about that so what about do you overanalyze like records you've made yeah i mean all the time even stuff that like i i don't know if it's good anymore like i feel like when i make something i'm like excited about it. That's why I got this far. Like I wouldn't have, there's songs that we cut from this album coming up that in the moment I was

like, I don't like this anymore. And we just, no big deal. It's cut it. It's all good. No one's hurt. And the ones that made it like made past several layers of like that

process. And then you master it. And then you like, don't listen to it for a while and then you come back like is this terrible i don't know like and it's just like it's the thing you're saying or it's just hard to listen to yourself and yeah so often people think like this is the single this is the big song but it's like the song that you didn't think was going to be the single is the one that everyone else likes how hard does it disconnect your feelings with it like after you make it you know it's just part of the deal like in order to put stuff out you have to just at some

point you have to just let it go yeah have you ever held on to any songs or like it's not ready yet it's not ready yet yeah i mean i have so much shit that I've just never put out. Why? Because, I don't know, quality over quantity. I don't know. Maybe one day I'll die and it'll just all be out there and whatever, but I don't know. I just think it's beautiful how much you care. If you didn't care as much, just put out everything.

Whatever you put out. yeah, this is fine. Some people are like that. Maybe it's not that they don't care. Maybe they just disconnect with when they think it's done, just put it out there. It's got to be like a hard balance of like when to sit on something or like how do you know when a song

is done? It's never done. That's the whole thing. Wow, that's beautiful. It's like you're never like if you're like a perfectionist and there's like it could always but then it's like you overcook it. But like you could always like when you say it's never

done, I think about like how many different versions you do when you're playing it live. Yeah, it's done when you say it's never done, I think about like how many different versions you do when you're playing it live. Yeah. It's done when you put it out, but then that's the cool thing about this scene of music. Like it's every night you play it, it's its own thing. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. It is great.

Has anyone ever like gave you shit about like your diehard dope pod fans? Like, man, Tuesday, 2019, that version was so much better than fucking peach fest 2020 you know like does that bum you out um i'm happy that they care yeah like any opinion i'm happy with that um it's it's better than like no one saying anything yeah it's true and i feel like the biggest bands have so much hate towards them. That's how you know you're big is when there's just so much hate at you.

God, I don't know. Could you handle that much hate? Are you secure enough to handle that much hate? No. Not at all. Not at all. I would be really... I think I could handle it eventually,

but if we got really big and that started happening, all i would i would be really i would i think i think i could handle it eventually but like if we got really big and that started happening like i would just have to stop reading all the comments that's the only way you can avoid that yeah then you got to stop reading like being on instagram and yeah anything that'll trigger you from like overthinking now like your next r is like like what when do you ever get through this problem where like you think about what the fans like versus what you would like on a record well on a record no i will one thing that i started there was a shift for me i used to approach like live i used to approach it where i was like i want to make the crowd have a good time

yeah that was like how i like thought about everything and there was a point where i was like i shifted and i wanted it to be like i want i want to have a good time yeah and hopefully through me genuinely having a good time other people will feel that and we'll get something out of it yeah but it's like it i felt like when i was like thinking like what do people want like if you're opening for a band say like you're opening for umfries yeah like we got to play our proggy shit because it's umfries yeah and it's kind of like why though why do we have to like do that like why not just do what you want to do what makes you feel good in that moment on that day and the people that it's going to resonate with

they're going to resonate with that so much more than you being like not genuine of what you want to be what you want to be doing on that day yeah and it's also you know in a deeper thing it's that's the same way of not being present in the moment. Totally. It's like we always want to be present and then we're thinking like, oh, we're doing this show. We got to do this type of set.

Fuck that. You be, no, I'm going to pump you up, Eli. You're your own goddamn person, okay? I don't care if you're opening for the Stones or fucking, I don't know. I don't know. I lost it. I'm opening for the Stones, baby.

Hey. I didn't realize. Damn, that's cool. So I know you got to get going. It's almost time. So tell me more about... Are you proud of this new record? Are you guys excited?

I am very proud of it. I think it's... I definitely think that it is some of the best stuff I have ever had a hand in making. Because the past two albums before this, we recorded in other locations, and then we mixed it there. But this was the first album in a few where we are actually in the proper environment, and we're able to get sounds that are top-notch, I think. that are like top notch, I think. And I'm very excited about the songs. Like for me, it's like the kind of stuff that I like.

So, I mean, I don't know. Like it's possible that people aren't going to like it. And that's just, you know. Yeah. I mean, either way, it's like the fact that we got this far and we still have this band. It's like, it's incredible either way. Yeah. And especially like

after taking a hiatus and then taking another hiatus essentially yeah that will that normally would break a band up yeah and it felt like I'm amazed we're still band I'm not because you guys like each other I see I see it when you're on stage and I see it when you're around each other

you guys fucking love each other you know and that's what's more important you know at the end of the day you know doesn't matter about success it matters about who you're around each other you guys fucking love each other you know and that's what's more important you know at the end of the day you know it doesn't matter about success it matters about who you're with in your life on that day and who you who you surround yourself with you know so true it really is because like you can be so successful and have a huge crowd but if you like hate who you're with that's like worse than not drawing a crowd. Yeah. It's like a giant crowds watching you hate each other. That's so terrible. I can't even imagine. Fucking miserable.

The day that happens, I'm quitting music. You know, it's like, there's nothing wrong with like taking the foot off the gas every once in a while and just letting things, I mean, your whole story, I love your whole story. just letting things i mean your whole story i love your whole story the way that you just like moved to a random town and like started fresh and got a band together of random people like just like throwing yourself in there like that it's improvised that's life improvising yeah i i just think that's like really like inspiring and awesome well i appreciate it man you know it's like we're all on the hunt to be as present as we can, you know?

Yeah. And I'm happy that I found you, and I'm happy that we're going to make that porn movie music. Me and Eli, this is world-breaking news, everyone. Eli and I are composing a film soon. It's about an old porno star. You can find it on Netflix when we actually get time to make the movie. I'm excited to do with you.

Are you allowed to say what it's called or no? Let's not. Let's not jinx it. But we're going to be doing something cool and me and Eli are going to run the ship and it'll be funky as fuck. I came to his house for a two-hour session when my flight was like,

I was flying out of Philly after peach and I hung out with, with Eli and just, just to see how your brain fucking works was just so fucking bad-ass. And I'm just like, so stoked that I'm, I'm friends with such a powerful musician. So I love you. Same.

I love you too, dude. Thank you so much for having me. No problem. What, what, all right, before we go,

what do you, how are you feeling about this year's NBA fantasy? Are you ready for blood? Are you going to take it home this year or what? I love that group chat, man. That is such a good time. It's all the homies. All the homies and just so much

shade and shit talking being thrown around all the time. All in good fun, obviously. We love each other. I love it because we're all in the same scene. And it's just a bunch of basketball heads in the jam scene that are just- NBA Jam. It's called NBA Jam.

You can't write that name. You can't write that name. That's perfect. Yeah. All right, I got one last question for you. And I'll let you go back to your beautiful life. What do you want to be remembered by, Eli? I knew you were going to ask me this because I'm a

fan of the podcast. I listened to it and I thought about it. I, um, I think I just like, want to be remembered that I made the people in my life. I made their life a little bit better. If that, if I can do that. And like, I just really like want people to not feel like they wasted their time and their life by being in my band and like being my fiance and being my parents and like, you know what I mean? I just want, I want to make the world, not just like the world better, but like the world better. But you know, the microcosm world also just wanted like be a positive force. Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but for me,

you're doing, you're doing that baby. Thanks Andy. You too, man. You make my life better for sure. A hundred million percent. I can't wait to hang out with you.

I can't wait to talk some shit and I can't wait to take the chip. That's right. I'm going to pump myself up. You know what? Your Lakers are looking pretty mean, dude. They are, but they're looking pretty old too. Yeah, pretty old. That's unfair that they get all those guys, but it is

what it is. Yeah. I don't get why people want to live in LA. I mean, the beach, I get it, but if you have money, I guess it's cool. But LA is kind of bullshit. I think it's where a lot of stuff is going down. So that's cool.

But yeah, it's definitely like... I always have a good time there, but it is... I feel like living there would be tough with the traffic and just the general... And the people who move there sometimes kind of absorb in their own orbit. Well, you're like an LA dude. You're from LA. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the locals aren't bad,

but you could see all the bullshit sometimes. Yeah, well, when you grow up there, though, and then you see how it evolves. Chuck in the band is also from LA. And same thing, he was friends with Haley Joel Osment as kids. Because don't you know a few actors? That's so cool, though. It's fun.

It's fun. If that's what you're into, if you want to be in the industry like that, that's a pretty amazing place to be. True. True. Well, maybe I'll have the balls to move to Philly. I love Philly. Dude, you should just definitely move here.

I love the East Coast. I think that's my next move. I'm going to get a house on the East Coast, probably Philly or something. You know you always have a spot here anytime you want to crash. Well, don't tell me that. I'll be there next week then.

All right, buddy. I got a guest bedroom, man. It's all here ready for you I'm in let's do soup dumplings and um I'll come when it's not sober October so we could have a real yeah yeah yeah come in like January yeah I'll come in January all right cool all right buddy have a great one love you bud love you too later hell yeah Eli's the best oh go check out dope pods new single and go grab Dopeapod's new record when it comes out

I love those boys, and I love Eli I got close with him, like we said we all were in this fantasy basketball league all the basketball heads where we take care of our son Taz shout out to Taz in Yale hope you're doing good Taz out there wearing condoms, better be wearing condoms

thanks Eli and I'll catch you guys on the tail end now a message from the UN my dick's been bleeding for days from wanking and wanking away I don't even try to get laid My dick's been bleeding for days Hey! My dick's been bleeding for days

From wanking and wanking away Don't even try to get laid My dick's been bleeding for days Everybody now, come on! My dick's been bleeding for days From wanking and wanking away I don't even try to get laid My dick's been bleeding for days

And there we have it. What a great interview, right, Nick? I love Eli. He's the best. Did you guys talk about ghosts or anything? No. He's the best. Did you guys talk about ghosts or anything? No. He's into something like that. Why are all these jam dudes into ghosts?

I don't know. It's fun. All right, you want to know the next one? Yeah, when are we playing next week? October 28th. We have three days off in Raleigh. Yeah, I'm not going to do anything. Don't contact me.

Don't try to hang out with me or get lunch or anything. We're not hanging out. I'm going to hang out with Nick then. Nick and McDaniels then. You don't want to hang out with me? me. Don't try to hang out with me or get lunch or anything. We're not hanging out. I'm going to hang out with Nick then. You don't want to hang out with me? Fine. I'm going to hang out with it. I'm talking about just people in Raleigh that think, don't message me like you want to get lunch. I'm not Andy. I don't want to be, you know.

I'm not here to socialize. Okay. October the 28th at the Lincoln Theater in Raleigh, North Carolina. Also, there's a third band on their Cosmic Superheroes. Oh, yeah. That'd be fun. Those guys are cool.

They're friends of the podcast. They better be the one of three this time. They're one of three. You're second of three. God damn. It's called direct support. Anyway,

October the 29th at the beautiful Greenfield Lake Amphitheater. Yeah, with Big Something. Yeah, maybe you need to describe that because I don't really know what the Royal Rumble thing is.

Kyle Ayers will be there too, right? Yeah, we have Kyle Ayers. We're doing the Royal Rumble. We almost sold out. There's only like 100 Rumble thing is. Kyle Ayers will be there too, right? Yeah, we have Kyle Ayers. We're doing the Royal Rumble. We almost sold out. There's only like 100 or 200 tickets left. Oh, it's a big place, right? 1,300 cap. Oh, my God.

And we're doing a Halloween party. Our boys big something. We're going to be jumping through tables. This time, I'm going to be more prepared than I was in Buffalo. And we got Kyle Ayers, one of the best comedians on the planet. And I'm going to play too, I guess. Oh, yeah. Nick's on that show too

I'm gonna be a little Out of place with that one I'll probably just Warm it up a little And you can sit in With all of us Exactly It's like a super band thing

That's all I'll probably Just end up playing sax You could also be the heel We can make you One of the heels What's that? You know like in wrestling Where like

I don't know shit About wrestling I never really got into it When I was a kid Dude I gotta show you These fucking hype videos Yeah here's the thing I just don't know anything

About wrestling I'm just much Just far too classy for that Even as a young child That is the best acting on the planet We're in a theater We're in a theater I just

I know It's probably amazing I just never got into it I don't have a problem I don't like the wrestling itself It's like the It's like male soap opera, right? Yeah, but the male soap opera is fucking amazing

Dude Today in the van Today in the van I was like Hey, Nick, remember that one time Stone Cold Steve Austin came in with that fucking truck of beer and shot it all over his man? He looked at me

and he was like, no. It's like the most famous wrestler, right? Dude, what? Are you a dude? He's like, no, I listen to jazz. I was in children's choir, so no, I didn't. So what is a heel?

Is it a heel when you're like a good guy and you turn bad? Like a heel turn? Yeah, it's like it's basically, no, the heel is basically the bad guy. Like you need a dude to talk shit and like build tension. I just don't want to physically do things. I'm just so. No, Kyle will introduce you and make you like,

you'll just have to wear like a, a wrestling mask. Oh, okay. Like a Lucha Libre. I have a leather mask with a zipper. I'm just kidding. Get it.

You are a kink. No, I'm very normal. Okay. Ready? When you come, do you all like do the leather show? You're not collecting me,

Andy Fresco. I will not be collected. October 30th, the Broadberry in Richmond, Virginia. That'd be fun. Now we're in Jason's neck of the wood, our sound guy. Yeah, we got to go to Mama Zoo's. Have you been there? What is it called?

Mama Zoo's is the best Italian. Is it like a cafe kind of vibe? No, it's an Italian joint. Oh, I've never been there, no. Dave Schools took us there. He's from Richmond. It's so good. We're going there.

I never met Dave Schools, but he seems awesome. He's the best. And then so good. We're going there. I never met Dave Schools, but he seems awesome. He's the best. And then on Halloween, a Sunday this year, we'll be at the Southern Cafe and Music Hall in Charlottesville, Virginia. That'll be a fun one, too. University of Virginia. We've sold a couple hundred tickets to that, too, so I'm excited. Pretty good for a Sunday.

We've only sold... The last time we played Charlottesville, there was maybe 20 people, and now the next time, we've already done 200 or 300, so that's good. There's only four shows next week. Yeah, because we did six this week. Yeah,

so we need a little break. Anyway, and then we head to Louisville, November 3rd. Love Louisville. Great town. Louisville.

Louisville. Not far from Indianapolis. Hey, indie people, come on down. Anyway, High Noon Saloon in Madison,

Wisconsin on the 4th. College town. That show's gonna bomb. We know that's gonna bomb ahead of time. We've only sold like 10 tickets. Guys, Wisconsin on the 4th. That show is going to bomb. We know that's going to bomb ahead of time. We've only sold like 10 tickets. Guys, come on. Get your shit together.

Come on, Madison. I know I'm not hip to the young kids of Madison, Wisconsin, but tell everyone. Let's get people out there. Don't you guys like to fucking break shit? Anyway, November 5th, the Turf Club in St. Paul, Minnesota. I love Minnesota. In St. Paul, Minnesota. I love Minnesota. In St. Paul, Minnesota.

It's going to start getting cold as fuck. Here comes the chili willies for daddy. Then what's the last show? Nope, two more. On November 6th, we're at Talia Hall in Chicago, Illinois. Southside. That's Southside. We're competing with Billy Strings.

And other shit. Yeah. Spafford. I know, fuck. Come on, guys. I know you guys got to pick bands, and it's fine. I know Billy's blowing up. I. Spafford. I know. Fuck. Come on, guys. I know you guys got to pick bands and it's fine. I know Billy's blowing up. I know Spafford.

Billy's done blown up almost. Billy's huge. I wouldn't say he's blowing up anymore. He sold off the mission like three nights last weekend. Four nights. Only furthering my point. Billy's great. And finally, to end up this leg before a 10-day break, for me, we're going to play the Canopy Club in beautiful Urbana, Illinois, home of the

University of Illinois. Yes. Fighting Illini. Jay Blake? Nope. Goldberg. Jay Goldberg, yeah. That's summer camp country, baby. Yeah, so the people of Peoria. They're on a break, and you're going to bend for some fucking thing I'm not on, so who gives a shit? Bend Organ, yeah.

They haven't announced yet, but we're playing Bend Organ for 10-barrel. Oh, shit. I didn't know that. Well, you can bleep it out. No, it's fine. They're going to find out here probably this week. Anyway. Okay, we're done. And I'm going to be playing with DJ Williams that day in Fort Collins. Where are you playing? I don't know. Actually, I don't know.

You're playing with DJ? I love DJ. He's a good guy. You're doing Shots Fired? Yeah, I play with Shots Fired when I'm around for sure. So is he doing the Shots Fired gig? Yeah, yeah. And if I'm playing with DJ, it's Shots Fired? Yeah I play with Shots Fired When I'm around for sure So is he doing The Shots Fired gig? Yeah yeah And if I'm playing with DJ It's Shots Fired

We're in Fort Collins Aggie? Something like that I can't remember No it's a newer place I think Oh cool I gotta look I'm kind of behind on that

Colorado Go support DJ Williams He's one of the great I gotta get him on the podcast I thought he already did it No no We keep on saying We're gonna do it

I gotta get him on the podcast He's got some great stories I don't wanna ruin anything He's a Richmond cat I like all these musicians out of Richmond. Schools, DJ. Fucking great musicians. Salkin.

Oh, fucking Salkin's from Richmond, too. Someone. I think there's a fourth Richmond person. I'm tripping out on the name. No, is it Marcinek? Joe Marcinek from Richmond? No. He's like Chicago.

No, he's from like Northwest Indiana. Uh-huh. He's sick. All right. Whatever. We love our friends. That. Uh-huh. He's sick. All right. Whatever. We love our friends. That's basically what we're saying. Yeah.

All right, guys. Have a great week. Will you please motivate these people? To do what? I need a specific thing to motivate them to do. Just have them a great week. Hey, have a great week. Be present.

Fucking damn it. I don't like to. What do you mean? Like, do whatever you want. Get a nice lunch this week. Go out. Take an hour. Go get lunch by week. Go out. Take an hour. Go get lunch by yourself.

Don't look at your phone. Just enjoy a nice lunch. That's it. That sounds nice. That actually does sound nice. Yeah. Everything doesn't need to be a grind where you're trying to quest for some fucking coins. Like, enjoy your goddamn life for half an hour a day.

You're not going gonna be around forever Just take a break Get a sandwich You know I'm hungry actually You wanna go I'm down let's go Let's go eat

I'm done with this Alright guys Love ya We just talked for 40 minutes We got Paul Coffin On the show next week Oh nice And then we got Dave Schools

On the show They're putting out that Neil Casale record He what Played on it? Produced it? He produced it. He basically ran the ship on that shit. And the stories he was telling me about it is amazing. You're going to love this interview.

Round four with Six Six Tie Fire. Chill fire. I hope you guys are still Alright, we're done. We've been yakking away. People like it. By the way. I've been getting a lot of feedback From people that like when we just Kind of just ramble on for a while

Better than when we like You're such a narcissist No I'm not I'm a sociopath Just say it We not I Just say it I'm a sociopath

No no no Say what Love me Nah Why I guess I like this thing Where you're gonna try and get me to say it It's a great bit I'm a sociopath. No, no, no. Say what? Love me. Nah. Why? Because I like this thing where you're going to try and get me to say it's a great bit. I love you. Okay.

Noted. I love you a lot. Noted. Goodbye, everybody. Have a great week. You tuned in to the World's Health Podcast with andy fresco now in its fourth season thank you for listening to this episode produced by any fresco joe angelo and chris lawrence we need you to help us save the world and spread the word please subscribe rate the show give us

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