Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 147: Paul Cauthen

Episode Date: November 2, 2021

The band is down a bassist and a drummer but this rollercoaster ain't stopping; not even when the Halloween Sunday Scaries hit. Gerlach nominates Shawn Eckels as president and Andy agrees that a pay raise is in order ($30 sound ok?). And on the Interview Hour we welcome golden voiced, Texan singer/songwriter, Paul Cauthen! Discussions on health, drugs, and the space between those two abound. Shawn sings a song about truckers. PSA: Don't pour whiskey into your electric pianos. This is EP 147 Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Friends (A Song About Friends)" on iTunes, Spotify  Get into some real outlaw business: paulcauthenmusic.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Brian Schwartz Nick Gerlach Shawn Eckels Andee "Beats" Avila Arno Bakker

yo yo yo andy fresco calling you from san francisco smoking dope and rock and roll out hey it's schwartz this is one you might not want to put on your podcast because i'm working my my tail off here trying to get you keyboard endorsement because you can't seem to keep the Jameson off your fucking keyboard. But then, you know, the reality of why does Andy go through so many keyboards? Why is this happening? It doesn't happen to anyone else. It's because, oh, I'm sorry, Mr. X. Andy likes to fucking pour Jameson all over his keyboard.

He likes to pretend he's pouring it in his mouth. Thankfully, he's pretending. And then he fucking pours it all over his keyboard. Just dump it out. Why don't you get some maple syrup out there, too? I don't have anything to do, Andy. I'm not busy. I'm here to scramble for keyboards.

So if you need a keyboard, call me. Bye. I sent it to Brian. A picture of you testing negative? Yeah. I am. Who is it? I sent it to Brian. A picture of you testing negative? Yeah. Why?

For COVID tests. You didn't believe you? No, no one believes me that I'm always negative. And we're back. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. How's everyone doing today? We are in Charlottesville.

Happy Halloween, everyone. Shout out to Halloween. Yeah. Costumes and stuff. Look at Nick Gerlach. Woo! Still here. My fire's day, baby.

You burnt out yet? A little bit, actually. I'm getting there. No, I'm just tired. Yeah. I didn't sleep very good last night. Why? We slept next to each other.

I don't sleep very well in general. But I feel like you sleep better when I'm next to you. No. Why? Because you snore all night Don't fucking snore A little, not that bad That's not why I was awake Did you miss me? I haven't slept in the hotel last couple days with you

Um, no, I didn't at all, actually Why not? Because I'm not weird, I don't miss you Why don't you miss me? Because I'm going to see you in like an hour at all times. I've missed people I see all the time. How many times have you missed Sean Eccles today?

Next question. Exactly. Yeah, I miss Sean all the time. Yeah? Yeah. When he sleeps all day, I miss him. He's good at sleeping during the day, man. I don't get how he does that. He sleeps all day. I wish him. He's good at sleeping during the day, man. I don't get how he does that. He sleeps all day. I wish I had that talent.

I know a few people like that. I'm so fucking jealous of them. And they all act like it's a burden that they can go nap. You know what I mean, though? When you're like, you're so good at napping, they're like, I'm such a loser. I nap. I'm like, no, my God, I would kill a homeless guy to be able to nap.

I wish I could nap. If I could nap, I feel like I probably wouldn't get as much work done. Yes, you would because you'd have little periods of refreshment. What do you mean? You don't nap too much. You just pop in a 20-minute nap every once in a while. That's too hard. If I'm going to nap, I want two hours. Okay.

You don't have to nap every day, though. I've been napping around from every time during soundcheck, five to seven. You napped yesterday during the entire soundcheck. I didn't even know. I was like, I'm just going to lay my head down. You thought someone would come get you, maybe? I thought someone was going to come get me, and I hear Sean singing, keep on keeping on. You were passed the fuck out, huh?

Yeah, I thought I was dreaming. I thought that Sean was the lead singer of the band. He was. He like ran a whole rehearsal while you were sleeping. Yeah, shout out to Sean. We need to talk about his bonus. A bonus? He's been doing a lot of extra work this week.

Like what? You know, just running rehearsals and stuff while you take naps. You undervalue how much I do for this fucking thing. I don't undervalue anything. Sure do. You're like, I'm so sick of you just never loading up. Everything is in a comparison.

I'm just saying he's going above and beyond. I mean, everyone should go above and beyond. This is... No, everyone should go right to the exact point of the amount they're getting paid to do. Why? Because this is America. Capitalism is dead.

You won't trick me with your go above and beyond speech. I think everyone should work as hard as they can. As hard as they can? Yeah. Or as hard as they need to? See, that's laziness. No, it's not. Laziness is like not even doing what you need to.

What do you mean? Like not even getting to 100%. I don't believe in that. I was always a guy who said, if you're going to be working with me, everyone's got to work 120%. Okay, but I'm talking like Sean's been going 150%. Okay, so you're his agent. How much more money does he need? 30 bucks.

I love setting something up like that. Like I'm going to ask for like a bunch. Hey, it's Jason. The problem with giving one person a bonus is everyone gets a bonus. What you do is you create a little game where they play against each other and try to get that bonus.

Everybody, dang a $130 bonus a week, okay? Like a third grade teacher, you know? No, that sounds annoying. Shut up. I'm not done explaining this. Okay. Gold star system. Whoever gets the gold star,

$30 fucking dollars out of their per diem for the week. And then you have a little contest to see who's the best boy all week. But isn't even that obnoxious? And whoever's the best boy gets it. If I got a $30... Of course it's obnoxious. It's a joke. But...

And whoever's the best boy that week, and the most well-behaved boy in the band gets a little... They get their weekly gold star and they get 30 American dollars as their reward. Can I ask you a question, though? I've had a question. All right. I prepared one question for the podcast this week. Why are you trying to kiss everybody lately?

You've been trying to kiss a lot of people. And before people get... I don't think it has anything to do with your sexuality. What's going on here? Put your mic on your mouth. Oh, the far the far so i don't have headphones so why are you trying to kiss everybody you try to kiss casey on stage at the royal rumble i saw that i did i kissed him on the mouth floyd a lot you've been bringing up kissing me a little bit and we're not gonna ever kiss by the way i did take my shirt off and start dancing next to your neck

what's going on with the kissing? I don't know. Maybe I'm gay. No, I don't think it has anything to do with that. That wouldn't be alarming to me. That'd just be, okay, yeah, that's what he is. He likes to kiss men. There's some power, weird social power struggle. I just want to see if I like it.

What do you mean? You either... I don't like it. People are texting you. I know. I'm getting blown up. A lot of kissing going on. Floyd won't kiss you, though. No. like it. People are texting you. I know. I'm getting blown up. A lot of kissing going on. Floyd won't kiss you, though.

No. None of you guys will. Did you have fun doing the Royal Rumble again? What? I want to talk about the Royal Rumble. That was fun. It was weird to be like the new guy. I felt like the new kid in school.

Yeah, the Royal Rumble was fun. Because you guys have all this shit worked out, and I'm just like, I love hanging out with Big Something. I was the ref. What? I got to be the referee, though. Yeah, you did. That tour must have been crazy.

It was a blast. Because by, like, how long did you do it? Like, two months? We did it for, yeah, two months, month and a half. So I bet, like, six weeks in, the show was just humming with, like, your little bits. Yeah, we had great bits. And, like, you knew when to do it. You didn't have to, like.

No, like, we normally, normally like wrote the show day of because a lot, people travel. Sure, but you have like an idea. Like by six weeks in, you don't have to explain everything as much. You're just like, we're doing this, you know. No, I kind of had to because that was the first tour

where like people showed up to 20 shows to see what we do. Same people? Yeah. Oh. Big something's crowd. Yeah, jam bands. We'll show up like 15 times. know i was only 20 shows i thought it was longer than that no it was like 40 shows okay but like you know like they're not gonna go to they're gonna go to like 10 of them they got a

lot of fans down there in north carolina big something does yeah they do i didn't know that yeah i haven't really seen them that much what do you mean i mean I haven't really seen them that much. What do you mean? I mean, I haven't really seen them that much. Do you think I'm gay? No. I think you're fucking weird. What? Well, being gay isn't weird. You're just weird or something off.

What do you mean? You don't like the kissing thing? No, I'm not bothered by it. I just don't get it. Girls kiss their girlfriends all the time. I don't get what the source of it is. I don't know. Maybe I'm just bored with girls.

No, that's not true at all. I can vouch that you're not bored with girls. I don't like... It's like I'm not kissing them like intimately. I know. That's what I'm saying. Just like a kiss. Just a little kiss.

I get it. I mean, you are their boss, to be fair. No, shut up with that. To be fair. We're going to get in trouble if we keep saying... Well, it's obviously a joke. I know. I'm not...

That's the joke. I don't want people to think like... The joke is that's illegal. Yeah. Okay? Okay. People, if you're mad, that's the joke is that it's illegal. Okay, people?

Like, I don't like dick. I'm not going to kiss a dick. No. I wasn't talking about that, was I? No, but like, what are you insinuating? I'm not insinuating that you're gay. I'm insinuating that you're not gay and you want to kiss everybody. What's going on with that? What's up with the kissing? I'm not insinuating that you're gay. I'm insinuating that you're not gay and you want to kiss everybody. What's going on with that?

What's up with the kissing? I don't know. Maybe because I don't want to kiss girls right now because I don't want to catch feelings. You think that feelings are contagious like that? Yeah. In your history, have they been that contagious? I don't know. I'm just, you know, it's like, I don't know.

Maybe it's like some deeper shit. All I have had time for is this fucking band. Yeah. And I don't have any time to have any intimate relationships with anyone else. So the intimacy I get that I get turned on by is the hard work my band gives me. They're working hard. They're working hard. I mean, this is another fucking shitty week.

It wasn't shitty. No. Not like it's shitty. The shows are great. The another fucking shitty week. It wasn't shitty. No. Not like it's shitty. The shows are great, but it's just stressful. I have a lot of pressure on my hands. I know you're going to cross your eyes on that. I didn't cross my eyes. I didn't do anything, people, just so you know.

This is how anxious you are. I know. But people expect me to have a crazy fucking show. And when our drummer has an emergency, like getting COVID, and we have to find a new fucking drummer after we all tested negative, the same day so we can make the four shows, I mean, we could talk about it. And we did it. But it's just stressful.

Doing great. Yeah, shout out to our fill-in drummer. He's doing about as good as a substitute drummer can do so yeah andy beats got covered back in l.a he got well he probably got it when we were on tour maybe i don't know it had been i don't know then he flew to alice go see his girlfriend and then and then right when he says hey i got covid we ought to take tests Cause we were Yeah We all tested negative For the week And

And then It's just so weird It hit him really hard Like he's really sick right now Yeah So we had to Find a new drummer Shout out to Brian Schwartz

One more time For getting us a drummer Great manager Great manager It's just hard to Love Brian Teach someone 20 fucking songs

At soundcheck And then play for 300 people Or a thousand people Every time Like, it's just hard to teach someone 20 fucking songs at Soundcheck and then play for 300 people or 1,000 people every time. Come here, Sean. Sean Eccles is here. Hey, Sean Eccles. Hey, Sean, how you doing? I was just standing you. He wants you to have a raise.

I support this. $30. I support this. It's not an outcast. That's what I'm saying. If I gave you $30, like, hey, man, you're doing a great job, and I gave you a $30 raise, you'd be offended. You know exactly what I would do with that $30.

It's a funny amount. What is a fair raise for you? It depends. I trust. I know what I don't talk to with Andy Frasco about at all, surprisingly, over 10 years. Money. Really?

You talk to the manager. I've never known what I get paid. I've never asked. But this is a different day today. Brian, if you're listening, and I know you are. Whatever we think is fair, Brian Schwartz, so much more. I think we should take it out of Ernie's pay.

So much more. I randomly selected Ernie. Let's take it out of his pay. Okay, so he would just shave here and there. He was randomly, you know, you're not out anything. He gets a little extra. No skin off your back, my man. Ernie's just a sax player.

They're not any. What if I gave you like 500 bucks for this week? I'm going to go continue to rehearse Al right now. Sean is smart. We'll sit on that one, let it grow a bit. That's a great employee right there. Hey, podcast, go get them, everybody. Speaking of podcasts, a lot of podcast fans of the shows this week.

Yeah, there were. Especially last night. See what I'm saying, though? If we give them any number, you want more. No, no, we're not going to. Paul Cawthon deserves better than me just being fucking bitter. He sounded awesome. I heard you laughing your ass off when you were interviewing him downstairs.

Yeah, he's great. He's great. We should talk about the Royal Rumble, though. That was fun. I didn't really know Big Something that well before that. Really? I had played with them one time at serves in Denver. Mm-hmm.

They're cool. I like Nick. He's a good guy. Just like a good old-fashioned guy. I don't know how to explain him. Whenever I'm down and out, I hit up Nick. He's like a normal dude. Yeah. Right down Main Street.

Nick McDaniels. He is. He's a nice... I feel like he could go coach a Little League baseball team. down and out i hit up nick he's like a normal dude yeah right down main street nick mcdaniels he is he's a nor he's a nice he like i feel like he could go coach a little league baseball team yeah because when when he found out about our situation with our drummer and how it was like an emergency he's like hey man whatever you need ben said he knows the songs he could help us because we found out yeah all had COVID on Monday and we all had to take tests. Everyone was negative. He flew home and yada yada and he found out when he was

in LA on our four days off that he was negative or he was positive and But we're all negative. We all got tested. We're all negative. We got tested. No one's sick. But we still had shows. The show must go on so we hired this guy shout out to al smith and brian for finding us a drummer and so we had to

teach him the songs all last week killing it by the way yeah sean did a great job teaching him the songs and i think yeah he's doing good but uh we're here it's halloween and uh we forgot to get costumes i'm not really a big costume guy honestly yeah i feel like our life is a costume yeah like what do i need to do pretend to be what i'm pretending to be an alcoholic every day yeah you're you're a very good actor and the oscar goes to andy Fresco for alcoholicism. I don't really drink that much. I know. Someone actually was like, I was at whatever show.

I don't know. I can't remember who it was. They were like, does he really drink that much? I was like, it's a little bit of an act character, you know? You might get drunk sometimes, though. I mean, I'll drink, but I'm not going to like belligerently. I still have work to do. I mean, you're a human but I'm not going to like belligerently. I still have work to do. I mean, you're a human being with a body that with functioning organs.

It's working every day. So do the math, people. He can't drink the way you think he does. Yeah. It's not 19 years old. People think that this life we live is. Don't do it again, Andy. Don't start going there.

I got to go there. Take a right turn here. I think this life is just fucking daisies and fucking roses, dude. Dude, they're like, have fun partying with your friends on the road. It's like, fuck you. It's like, oh yeah, you're gonna have fun? Go have fun every day while we're here. In Denver, living our lives, going to brunch.

We are sleeping in a fucking crack den. Because we lost our holiday in We lost our holiday in fucking Sponsorship We're back in crack dens Come on man Somebody sponsor us Some hotel

This is a hard life Nick It's been a hard hard life Now a message from the UN Rock and roll ain't pretty But it's pretty fucking cool. Some days on the road might seem shitty, and you end up a drunken fool.

But don't let the chips get you down. String up that guitar and rock the fuck out. Rock and roll ain't pretty, but it's pretty fucking cool. Thank God. Thank you, Eccles.

Thank God for Sean Eccles. He is your president. He's my president, I decided. I like him. He's got great energy every night. He brings it every fucking night. That's one thing about Sean, man. Every night. He knows every song ever. Last night in the green room before the gig, I was like,

play this song. He's like, oh, nailing it on some shitty acoustic that barely works. It's sounding great. i'm thankful to have this group of people in my in my life you're you're yep if i had people in my band who didn't give a shit and this was just a gig to them oh my god i'd i'd lose my mind they wouldn't be able to be in this band honestly they would i'd fire them immediately and they wouldn't even they wouldn't enjoy themselves either no it wouldn't be a very fun gig for them. No, no, no.

And the minute, you know, I've had that before where it was just a gig to them and they were out within a week. A week?

Yeah. You can sniff it out that quick? Mm-hmm. What's the telltale sign? They don't, they start getting distant. They don't want to hang out

with you. Well, that's okay if they don't want to hang out all the time. I get that. It's a different kind of not want to hang out with you. Well, that's okay if they don't want to hang out all the time. I get that. It's a different kind of not want to hang out. No, just like I had this guy. He's just like always into money.

What do you play? Drums. And like he was like ready to leave right when the first fucking, you know, Disney star came to fucking take him on a retainer. And I'm just like you knew that it just doesn't make you feel good that you work all hard. That you're like a passing stop. Yeah, I'm just a passing stop. This is a fucking family. You're the kind of guy you stick with too because you're going places.

I'm loyal too. I'm not going to fuck you. I'd say you're loyal, right? You think I kissed too many of my bandmates in the mouth? You really do? No, I like it. It's funny.

You haven't actually kissed anyone. I try. I dreamed about kissing Bo. I told that on the podcast. Yeah, we did that one already. But that was because he holds my money and I'm intimate with my money. I told you. Yeah, we figured that one out.

It's the only way you know how to express intimacy is with physical touch. He's not gay. He just doesn't understand intimacy. I really don't understand intimacy. What is it? I don't know. Do you think I'm Mr. fucking intimacy expert? Have you seen the way I interact with people?

Oh, come here. Come back here one more time. Everybody go on Andy's Instagram. Look at the picture of me with like podcast fans. I want to get their picture taken. And ask me about intimacy afterwards. What do you know about intimacy? Yeah.

You're asking the guy who you constantly make jokes about dumping loads in women. Yeah. All right, touche. Go back to the merch table. Go back to the merch table. Who do you think's the best

at intimacy in your band? Who's the most intimate? Sean, maybe. No. No? I don't know him that well, so. I don't think any of the guys. That's why they're in my band because they're not intimate. Yeah, there's no like, no. No. No? I don't know him that well, so. I don't think any of the guys. That's why they're in my band, because they're not intimate.

Yeah, there's no, like, no. No. You know, everything's a trade-off. It's a trade-off. It's like when you run a franchise on NBA 2K. You want stars? Your bench ain't going to be as good, you know? So what do you want?

You want a balanced team, or do you want a fucking... What you have is the Brooklyn Nets of a life. Yeah. You know what I mean? You got some balanced team or do you want to fucking, what you have is the Brooklyn Nets of a life. Yeah. You know what I mean? You got some Kevin Durant things and you got some, who knows things, whoever's the 12th man on the Nets right now. Do you think anyone, any girl or guy, I mean, I'm not, I'm open to anything at this point.

That's the way you said it was so like, just something happened to me. Do you think, do you think I'll let it happen Do you think though Like I don't want to compromise And that's kind of like The part of the relationship Where you got to compromise But like

I don't want to compromise My personality And the person I am I've never had to compromise Who I am once In my relationship Really I think it's out there for you

Really You got to be open to it though What do you mean be open to it Well don't just You know run at any The first sign of Not getting what you want, you know? Yeah. That's all.

Yeah. Put a little work into it. Like, I was running around with this girl a couple weeks ago, and I thought she was, like, the perfect situation. And then, you know, then reality hits. Never going to be be perfect by the way nothing is fucking perfect dude I don't know what to do

I can't wait for you to give pet people tonight with your speeches I can't wait to give Charlottesville their motivational speech today if you're depressed I don't know fucking try harder if you quit you're a fucking loser

enjoy your little family and your life okay 5, 6, 7, 8 Fucking try harder. If you quit, you're a fucking loser. Enjoy your little family and your life. Okay, five, six, seven, eight. Next song. Find a way. Do you think I'll ever be like that? I hope not. I don't think so.

No, I wake up when I'm getting stressed. It's peaks and valleys, bro. I know. I don't think this... You're doing great. Just, you know... I'm not telling you how to feel, but... Come on, man. Sometimes I bum out because, like... I'm not telling you how to feel, but come on, man. Sometimes I bum out because like,

um, I'm not telling you how to feel, but don't feel this way. Because people will blame it on my alcoholism, which is, you're not an alcoholic, not a fucking alcoholic. Brian thinks I'm an alcoholic.

I would not classify you as an alcoholic. No, he just is. I definitely spent like days with you where you didn't even drink. Yes. I don't know. He just thinks I'm like fucking always just like you're, you're in a bad mood because you've been drinking all night. I'm like, no, motherfucker.

I'm in a bad mood because we're not getting exactly what I feel like we need. Yeah. Andy likes things a certain way. Yes. And if those things aren't a certain way, Andy gets angry. And you wouldn't like to see Andy when he's angry, would you? No. If he doesn't get angry, he gets sad.

And it's even worse. I'd much rather have you be angry. I'm going to cheer you up now. It's true. Bo's like, he's like, I'm not, I don't, I don't really, do I yell, Bo? I've never seen you yell. I don't think so. No, I've never yelled. No, I don't, I've never seen you. Yeah, I just like self-deprecate.

Yeah. I just like start like. Oh, Eeyore it out. You start Eeyore it out. Get your Winnie the Pooh back, bro. But who is my Winnie the Pooh? You're the Winnie the Pooh. Everybody has all those. That's what that is about. I don't know that. Eeyore's the depressed guy.

Winnie's... They all represent different things. Anxiety is piglet. Maybe that's what my dream about Bo is. Maybe Bo's lips is Winnie the Pooh. Ooh. Your lips. No, no, no, no.

Winnie the Pooh. All the characters in Winnie the Pooh are represented. It's kind of like that movie Inside Out. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Wow. I don't know what. I actually don't know what Winnie is.

But, you know, Eeyore's depression, Piglet's anxiety. I don't know what they all are, but, you know, you kind of get it, right? They all have a certain thing. And they're all within Christopher Robin, and they're his... Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, anyway. Well, you're fine.

Okay. You're doing way better than a lot of people. I don't know. Sometimes I, like... You know? Look at my life. You know, I wake up in the con a lot. Oh, man, take a look at your life.

Maybe you just need to go like sit and listen to that song on your headphones. Sometimes. You're only 30 fucking three. Quit acting like you're. I know, but I've been. An old cowboy. I've been sent out, man. Well, this life.

The radio ain't for me anymore. My knees can't. You're fucking young, dude. You're hot. You're good looking. People like you. Every time you go online, you get fucking 10,000 likes and people telling you how much

they inspire you. So maybe like chill out a little bit. Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill on the being sad, you know? I know, but you're doing the same thing Brian does. No, because I don't think you're an alcoholic and I don't think it's all your fault. It's okay to feel that way a little bit, but come on, you know?

Put it in perspective. I mean, I'm not like this all the time. No, you're not. Is it some days? I don't think it's a problem, actually. I don't think you feeling this way is even a problem. It's not a chronic thing. Yeah.

But last night was an amazing show. It was an amazing show. A lot of people all having a blast. It's not about the shows. I understand. But last night was an amazing show. It was an amazing show. A lot of people all having a blast. It's not about the shows. I understand. But that helps. It's about the fucking the hard. It's just so fucking hard this life. Well, I don't know what to tell you about that. Shit's hard.

I know. If it wasn't hard it wouldn't be you know, whatever some stupid fucking saying that people have. Rich people. Alright, I'm getting out of the depression. Some saying rich people tell poor people. You gotta show. out of depression people tell poor people you gotta show i gotta show i gotta fucking if anyone can marry me i'll fucking call make fun of someone i don't like marinating my own shit i feel like a dumb ass because like i do have a great life but like it's also fucking hard this this whole having a great life is hard that's why it's great wow that's a very that was very good actually that

actually kind of cheered me up let's say that again to me having a great life is hard. That's why it's great. Wow, that was very good, actually. That actually kind of cheered me up. Say that again to me. Having a great life is hard. That's why it's great. Anything worth having, including a great life. You love me. What I'm saying is you're a good person who works hard and deserves great things. Kiss me on the mouth.

I will not be kissing you on the mouth. Why not? I told Julie I wouldn't cheat on her on the road. But if she knew it was me, it'd probably be fine. She wouldn't like that. Really? I think she'd be okay if it was some random girl compared to you. Alright. You hear that song today?

What about Refsie? Don't we have to legally mention them? We do. Refsie, book your fucking band on a Refsie. No, no, no. We'll do a real one. We'll do a real one. We'll do a real one. But I'll do that

at halftime. Steely Dan. Why does Jason love sound checking with Steely Dan? Because it's a certain... Because they play the same song every night so they have reference

on the PA so they can ring it out the right way and shit. Okay. Well, let's have a great week. This is way better than the first time we did. Yeah, that one was angry and sad. We should charge $10.

Maybe I'll make $10. I'll send you the... Sign up to our Patreon. You'll get the depressed. The darkest pod. All right. We got Paul Coffin on the show. He's great.

He's a fucking... He's a rock star. Shout out to Big Sampling. He's dealt with a lot of shit. He did some world-saving podcast exclusives about he had a heart attack and almost died. Yeah. He was having heart attacks, and he didn't even know he was having heart attacks. From what?

Cocaine. Holy shit. Yeah. All right. We got to go. Bye. That's our cue. Enjoy Paul Cawthon.

You have a good life. To be continued. Your life is good. My life is good. My life is great. I am thankful. You grew up in fucking L.A., bro. Oh, my God. You have a good life. To be continued about this. Your life is good. My life is good. My life is great. I am thankful. You grew up in fucking LA, bro. Oh my God. This is the same shit. You're like Brian Schwartz right now. No, because I'm

just joking. Alright, guys. It was sunny every day as a child, though. Alright, have a great day. Alright, next up on the interview hour, we have Paul Cawthon, fucking legend. Hey, Chris, play some Paul. This guy is outlaw as it gets.

He's like this new age songwriter who's in the country world, but his lyrics are so fucking good and it's so real and he's such an honest person. I had my friend Taylor Nicks was in his band. I've had multiple people. He told me that he was homes with Vince Herman. I mean, he's been around the scene and to see him starting to blow up

is just fucking awesome. I really think you're going to love this interview. We dive into everything. We went to church for you on this one and it's our own version of church. All right, guys. Enjoy Paul and I'll catch you on the tail end. Cocaine

Contra dance in the loop I think a bit of cocaine Contra dance in the loop Country dancing will do Come on, let's get it going Only you can keep me rolling At a quarter to three You know what I need Well, I'll twist for you, baby Hit a rip for you, baby Those goddamn hippies. Hippies.

What's up, Paul? What's up, dude? How you doing? Man, living, man. How are you? I'm doing good. We have a lot of mutual friends. I'm glad we finally get to meet up. doing good we have a lot of mutual friends i'm glad we finally get to meet up man finally man i'm telling you we go we go like the friends the little connection goes really way way back to like the beginning of my uh actually musical career and i'll remind you of something tell me all right and back and i know you're homies with vince herman yeah that's my dude yeah well like back

in the way day, Vince probably doesn't even, oh, fuck. Vince probably doesn't even remember this, but back in the fucking way, way day, there was this bar in Netherland, Colorado called First Ave, or First Street Pub,

or, you know, right there in Netherland. And he would go up there with like Billy Nershey and fucking Jeff Austin from Yonder Mountain String Band, rest in peace. But I would

roll up there with some of my hippie buds and watch them on just like open jam nights. And so I picked up my first drummer one night while watching Vince Herman to come and join my band. And he was actually the drummer for Great American Taxi. Oh, what's his name again?

Wales, Josie Wales. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Cody Wales, his son. Cody is a magic beans. That's my dude. Dude, magic beans. Yeah, his drummer. He was my first dude that ever took on the job to ever

play with me like really drums dude cody's a great guy so yeah so cody he's a good dude man and he i've still never gone that fast down a fucking mountain with a local like kind of fucking Subaru. I mean, full snow, all-wheel drive. I have never been so scared in my life with him, but he had full control of that fucking Subaru, dude. I will say, he was like, he should have been a NASCAR driver. Like, he should have. Because, motherfucker, like, you don't know fast

until you get in a mountain hippie's hauling ass in a Subaru in the winter down a fucking mountain it's so fucking what what intrigued you about colorado like what dude i lived out there after i got in fucking trouble man uh in texas and i got i got i got caught uh i got caught burning burning the herbs herbs in high school. And right after we had won our state championship in East Texas, a small little community, I got pretty blackballed. I was the black sheep and all the guys that got busted. We got pulled over here in East texas on the loop tyler and uh freaking had a bunch of uh

not bunch had a you know we're rolling a blunt on the back of a freaking you know a school book that you had to wrap yourself you know remember how we have to wrap our books well i remember my buddy was rolling a blunt in the back we get the and uh he throws the weed down on the fucking ground in the carpet you know and just like and we're in the 1997 z71 pickup truck and that carpet's kind of shaggy and it just holds the weed it doesn't really just disappear you know you know just kind of stays up on this furry blanket you know yeah so it's just sticking there. I mean, it's obvious. It's just green speckles all over the back of this red interior. So we get in trouble

for that, and basically, I was going to go to Texas Tech University, and my folks were like, well, you know, we need to send you to a Christian school. You need to get your shit together. Little did they know, that was where everything

began in my drug world. Colorado is no joke with the drugs. Yeah, no kidding. No, I'm talking about they sent me to Christian school in West Texas and then I got revocated of probation. Then I went to prison for a while

and I got out and I had 700 bucks in an old 1995 fucking van. I was 21 years old and I drove it all the way to Denver. My buddy had an apartment in Lakewood, Colorado, right there near Green Mountain. And over there near Sims and Union Boulevard in the Denver area. And so I lived there on his couch. My buddy Moses, Scott Spradlin, he works for Simply Pure there in Denver. He's freaking, he's a badass bud tender and connoisseur of the Mary Jane.

And so I hung with him. I still owe him rent, you know, for sleeping on the couch. He's one of those friends, you know? So I stayed up there for almost four years, man. I went from that couch to, I moved over to Castle Rock. Then I went up to Carbondale near Aspen. Then I moved up to Netherland for a while and I lived out of my van and I just tramped around freaking listening to Panic and freaking other bands like that.

I saw String Cheese, their last show before they broke up for a while. That was pretty mind bending for me. I was on a lot of fucking hallucinogens. And I was just kind of just, you know, trial and error, just not giving a fuck. I didn't have a girlfriend. I was just kind of going around and it was one of the freest times of my life. You know? What,

um, what, from this experience, like, were you writing during this time? Yeah. Like what were your first tunes? What were you writing about?

Oh man. During this time. Man, I was just trying to write little bluegrass tunes. Uh, you know, uh, I went and went and got down and got down by the river and stuff

and was starting to write these songs, you know, that were just inspiring me by nature at first because I didn't really have love or loss really in my life other than my granddad. My first song was written when I was 10 after my granddad passed away. But that's just, he was the song. Was he important to you? Yeah, he was the inspiration for me. Uh, he was a song leader in the church.

He was a religious man, but he, uh, was very edgy and fricking had more friends than anybody I've ever met and was just a good man. But, uh, he, uh, you know, the church of Christ growing up in that church, you know, you're not allowed to bring guitars and instruments because it's only supposed to be you, your voice, and the Lord. It's that fucking strict. Oh, yeah. No piano allowed. No organ.

What about pussy? Can you get pussy? There are plenty. There's plenty of that there. Okay. But, dude, church is a great place for that, I've heard. This is what I've heard. You know, kiddos, go to church.

Was there a lot of guilt in your life growing up with all this shit? Oh, fucking right, dude. That's how they, that's, dude, that's the hook. So is that kind of where you got this, like, rebel type of personality? Man, it's kind of like I have good moral compass. I believe people need to focus more instead of a religion or anything like that.

They can focus on their fucking moral compass on how can you right today actually change or help somebody's life. Yeah. I agree. If everybody looked around like that, how is it in one way or other,

can you make somebody's day a little bit better just by saying, freaking open the door for somebody or anything you can do? And if everybody kind of had that mentality, we'd maybe have a nicer fucking world. And that's just kind of like how it can improve instead of getting bit on just what's all the negative hate and bullshit all around you and just fixating on it and feeding on it to where it changes your fucking mood. And it changes who you are.

I think that's where people get wrong. Was it hard for you to be yourself when you were a kid? Man, they were telling me to put Ritalin and Adderall and Vyvanse and every fucking pill down my throat. And so before my granddad died, when I was about 10, they had put me on my second grade teacher or third grade or fourth grade,

I don't know, second, first or second, I don't know. She came up to my parents at a PTA meeting or whatever and said, we're going to have to send your son to an alternative school if we don't put him on Ritalin. What? You're that hyper?

I didn't feel like I was that hyper. I wasn't that uncontrolled. I'm just a fucking kid. Oh my God. What the fuck? They put me on Ritalin and it started changing my mood. I dropped fucking weight and all this shit started happening. My eyes were sinking in and shit. They were putting me on Ritalin and it started changing my mood. I dropped fucking weight and all this shit started happening. My eyes were sinking in and shit.

They were putting me on fucking two 60 milligram time released a day. One in the morning and one after lunch, dude. And you wonder why all these kids get addicted to methamphetamines after this. Oh my God, dude. I'm like fucking gone, dude. My jaw's

going nuts. I feel like doing fucking an eight ball or something. You know what I mean? And you're a kid. I'm a fucking kid. I'm like, fuck this shit. Man, I talked to my granddad because he was the guy that I could really talk to and he'd shoot me

straight. He looked over at me and he said, what's wrong, son? What's wrong? You seem different. I was like, Jim, they make me take this medicine. I have to take this medicine that makes my attitude different. And on the weekends my parents don't make me take it.

So I'm off of it on the weekends just to start it back up on Monday. And it has got me fucked. And I'm coming through my early pubescent fucking years. And so my granddad said, son, from now on, you put that pill right under your tongue. And when you go around the corner and you spit that shit out. Wow.

That's what my granddad said to me at nine or 10 years old. Clap to your granddad. Let's go. Let's fucking go. Let's fucking go. Let's fucking go. So I started doing that. And then I realized these pills that I'm throwing away are worth money. So you became a drug dealer of your own supply?

Yeah, baby. I'm going to clap to that too. Clap to that shit too, bud. I started saving this Adderall up. I was Adderall king, man. I fucking clap to that too. Clap to that shit too, bud. I started saving this Adderall up. I was Adderall king, man. I fucking slayed that shit, made money, bought all my beer and weed for the weekends. You know, all the way. I mean, obviously, I was prescribed from probably seven or eight years old to 19.

to 19. I was prescribed some type of fucking Vyvanse, Adderall, Concerta, Ritalin. Dude, you name every one of those speed ones. And like,

the thing about it, I don't fucking like any of that shit. I would much rather do a line of real good cocaine than fucking any of that shit. And that's how,

you know, that's how it was like all that shit. It makes me introverted. So when you stopped taking the Adderall and started selling it to your kids and friends and stuff, did you take it every now and then? Like, were you taking it as a party drug? You said,

not at all. I didn't even like it as a party drug. It made me introverted. You know, when you do too much of something, you get so high that you just can't even talk to anybody and you're not yourself. I hate that feeling more than anything. Yeah. I want to be me, but I want it to be even more exaggerated and fucking just having a good time. You know what I mean? So how did your family, did your family, like you, you walk in with all

this money from selling Adderall. How did you not, how did they not know that you're selling the Adderall they're giving you? Man, fucking stick it in the teddy bear's ass, man. Were you buying anything? Or were you like, you gotta sock it away. You gotta sock it away, dude. Mine was a teddy bear that I cut

the back of it right there by its ass and just stuck money in it. So when you didn't want to do adderall um when did you start 12 years old i started uh smoking weed and my first weed experience was in a gazebo in flint texas with this girl named jessica and she had a pipe that was made out of an albuterol fucking inhaler and, and, and, and foil on the top with,

with like the toothpick holes. And we burned some popcorn ass fucking that thing popped like the 4th of July and more seeds and stems in it. And I was like, man, this chills me out. I'm not so high strung off that fucking Adderall that was on, that I was on for a couple of years before my granddad was like,

son, you don't even do that shit anymore. It really had already kind of fucked with my nervous system. I could feel like in the morning my fucking anxiety was going up. That's what that kind of shit does to you, dude. It imbalances your fucking natural fucking chemical makeup in the engine

of your brain, just like an engine in a car. You start fucking with that shit, running it more rich or running it more thin on oil, it's going to either smoke or it's going to fucking run too fucking, you know, it's going to run bad. And I believe it's the same with our bodies and our minds. Were you getting depressed? Did you know what depression was when you were a kid? Early.

Really? Early. And I've never been to one therapist, not one. So tell me, like, when you were early really early and i've never been to one therapist not one so tell me like what do you when you're feeling depression like what did you know what it was did someone tell you about it or like did you feel like this anxiety or you just knew like something's different inside my body and like the only person you could talk to it seems like it was your grandfather yeah i started boxing and uh my granddad kind of instilled that in me. He boxed. And so I started doing some boxing and stuff like that when I was younger. And that helped with my anger and that depression feeling. So I knew I had to exert some energy. So I started playing football and sports and played a lot of

golf, you know, and it helped me. It kind of put me in a place where I don't have to think about anything. If I can compete or if I can get that kind of that angst, that some kind of chip on my shoulder, because I don't want to be an asshole every day, you know? Because some days I'll just wake up and I put my feet on the ground and I'm fucking look at myself in the mirror and I'm a mean guy.

Well, how did you, that's the thing about with the therapist, you say you're not going to what do you do to fix sex is do you do do you go through a lot of bandmates with this uh this anger issue not at all that's good so we're not at all anymore i know how to i know how to fucking silence really i've just got to be fucking silent and let it pass and know that this is a moment that that will pass and that happiness is right around the corner you know you gotta fucking just get through it you know what about the philosophy of football like teaching you just to be

basically an animal you know you're basically a weapon. Oh yeah. Like I just wanted contact and fucking, I wanted to just, uh, you know, play hard and just, I don't know. It was like letting out an aggression, you know, but now, uh, it's golf and, uh, I've been doing a lot of stretching and different exercises breathing, meditation, stuff like that

I read a lot about George Harrison and his meditation how much it changed his life almost to a fault some of these people become addicted to a meditative state and would rather be in a meditative state more than in reality

that's isn't that fucking crazy yeah what okay let's talk about that is that because they're the most present in this meditated state yeah most aware of themselves are you hard is it hard for you to stay present unless i'm fucking enthused or inspired. How hard is it for you to be inspired? Not too tough, man. I'm lucky to have great friends that are I mean, like Kelsey Heimerman, like these artists that I have. These people

inspire me. Fucking the king and the queen, dude. Visual art really inspires me. You've got jazz art. I love, love, my granddad's bought this in New Orleans. This is the old

jazz funeral processions in New Orleans. This is a Matt Brinston. You need to follow him. He's fucking insane. And then there's another Brinston. That's all i'm about is just fucking i'm gonna have a collection of art man i love visual art i mean

like this fucking look at this dude that looks like batman it's made by james it's fucking weird dude i mean i'm into that i I like, I love my family. I've got two sisters and I have four kids each. Yeah. I have zero kids. Do you like the music industry? Fucking not really. Yeah, me neither.

No, it's fucking very, very, the way it's set up is pretty terrible. Yeah. But. Yeah, I kind of want to go over that Because all this stuff you're mentioning Is everything but music Yeah Why are we so bitter about the music industry?

It's not bitter It's just Man I've been fucked Too many times So just fucking Taken advantage of like, uh, you know,

and, um, I'm not going to say in what, in what direction or capacity, because I could get fucking sued, but, uh, you know,

again, you know, so it's just like, I got put in every situation that you can possibly imagine as far as the horror stories are concerned in this industry. And it always has to do with, you know, somebody else leeching off of you and then seeing where you can be,

where you're capable or you're worth something. And then they get in the way of that worth and then they take, take, take. something and then they get in the way of that worth and then they take take take and it's all selfishness and it's all evil kind of middled situation they middle you and you know people just take yeah business managers just fucking to managers to fucking agents to whoever the fuck you know uh and the whole time all i've been doing i fucking sold weed sold drugs did everything i can just to pay my band you know what i mean dude same what what it's your post you you made last month about you know kicking ass and get stop feeling like you're the victim in this shit and go to work you know like fucking work dude yeah like we got what are

you doing are you not gonna fucking pay your bills yeah is that what you're gonna choose to do because that sucks so you're a type of guy who doesn't want to fail right fuck no dude i put my mind to it like i've always been pretty good at being able to get it done you know except those thousand piece puzzles kind of still rough that i don't know like my mind just sometimes won't work with the fucking puzzle i'm still trying to finish one on my own well you know the music industry is the ultimate puzzle like it's like god how i've been dropped by five labels and fucking managers. Labels and all that shit.

So like, what kept you going to like sell? Music is that important to you? Your words are that important to you or what? What kept you going through all this fuck? I'm fucking good at it, dude. That's what I'm fucking, it's like what I call, everybody in this world is kind of like a, it's kind of like a bird dog. Come here, Farrah. Come here, girl. This is my bird dog right here, Farrah. Hey, Farrah. Nice to meet you. I'm Andy.

So everybody's got a trait. This dog doesn't have to be told to go into the water, retrieve a duck or a dove, and bring it back to me. That's just her natural instinct, right? I believe everybody in this world has that same trait in them. And I was lucky enough to find mine, which is performing and singing and writing songs. And I believe it's a shame that people will go their whole lives not knowing what their inner trait is that they're actually good at. that are about life and, you know, about experience, rather than just in a form to sell or a form to, you know,

be a number one on the radio. I mean, yeah, that'd be great, you know, but I've had different kind of success, you know. It's been a slow, they called me, oh, you're going to be a slow burn, Paul. Slow burn. Fuck a slow burn, dude. Make me a firecracker. Light that motherfucking fuse.

Fucking pop that motherfucker off. Let's go. Like, dude. Yeah. Yeah, let's go. Slow burn. What the fuck does this mean? We're going to have a career?

Of course we're going to have a career. A slow burn. Yeah, what the fuck? Give me a fucking firecracker. Let's fucking go. You want to see how I really rock? Let's go. Oh, shit, dude. So, I mean, I love, love to sing and love to write

and love to be in the studio and to create with my best buds. That's why I've only done all my records with one of my best friends, Bo Bedford. He's my producer. He's my fucking soul brother. We are like just, we don't even have to talk to each other in the studio. He's my producer. He's my fucking soul brother. We are like just, we don't have to talk to each other in the studio. We can get shit done.

And then my other brother, Jason Burt, who is a DJ, electro funk, P-H-U-N-K. But he's a bad son of a bitch. And we've got a studio in Dallas called Modern Electric Sound Recorders. And Jeff signs on that. and he's been an inspiration. Taylor Longview used to work there. Taylor. Yeah, Taylor Nix, yeah. Taylor Nix.

Yeah, that's how I first got really introduced to you. She was singing background with me on tour. Yeah. When she was, yeah. We used to have a fling. Fucking right, dude. Yeah. She's a good girl.

She's a, she's a good hearted. Uh, but, uh, she's, yeah. And a great voice,

great voice. But, uh, man, it's been a, it's been a fucking ride. You know, I've,

I, I call my wife and I'll talk to her and be like, you know, I should have been a fucking banker. She said, Paul, you can't count. You know?

Goddamn it, I should have just been a bank teller. I don't give a shit. Whatever it is. Whatever. Like, I don't care. Did you really get, like, so in the earlier years when all these fucking people are fucking you, did you, like, dive deep into drugs?

Yeah. Like what, coke and stuff stuff i heard you had a heart attack yeah not a heart attack but right there right there fucking is you want to talk about that yeah man i mean dude i uh don't really talk about it but uh i will talk about it with you fuck it thank you paul feel comfortable enough but uh, I got taken to the hospital two or three times making the room 41 record. When I was, after I was going, I was engaged to a gal and, uh, we were, uh, just turning to be, uh, not good for each other, I guess, you know? And, uh,

so we called it off and the wedding was about to happen. We called it off, and then I was almost two years in a penthouse hotel room in Dallas on Room 41, which is just overlooking the Dallas skyline, freaking insane. My buddy owned this badass, like old 1940s art deco patting and spot and so man my my buddy who's my studio guy bo bedford was living around there up there on the hill and the scene just started having leon bridges started coming and staying in alejandro escovedo was living at

the other suite and me and him were the only two live-ins and then the fucking summers were happening then i was just we were you know fucking sex drugs and rock and fucking roll and so i i went ham for a minute and and it really wasn't a heart attack it was more panic attacks uh but i put my heart into such a fucking condition uh there for a minute that my body was had released the uh enzyme troponin into my blood where that says that you've been having fucking you've been fucking just ripping heart attacks and going through it you know is what the doctors told me. He's like, you've had heart attacks without even knowing. Yeah, kind of thing.

What the fuck? Yeah, that's what the doctor told me when I came to you. They ran the fucking, I went in there and I was just fucking like blue sheet out, you know, fucking just. How much coke were you doing a day, you think? Man, there was moments where I mean, we were doing an eight ball or two, you know?

Hell yeah. And just fucking like now, if I ever touch the shit, it's like a bump to turn my fourth quarter back into the first half. You know, I use it as a tool. You know what I mean? That's how I fucking use it now.

I used to do that too. But just fucking sitting around fucking fatline gator tails, man, I just, I pushed myself to the edge and literally had to be put under and the doctor come in there and he broke the hippoclase and told my whole family

that if I didn't stop, yeah, I could have sued this guy. How old were you? 26, 27? I was fucking 30, 31. Oh, fuck. I'm 35. You're 35. Okay.

Yeah. I think. Yeah. 35, 86. Yeah. But yeah, I was like 30, 31. Did your parents, your family know that you, like, were you good about suppressing? They knew I was in a way, but I've been in a way, man.

I've been suppressing. I've been getting through all this drug shit on my own for my whole life. Do you feel like you just didn't have anyone to talk to? You felt like alone your whole life? Man, no. I've always, you you know to get real with no there wasn't really that many people and so that's kind of like

I think that's the biggest struggle you know to be like you always feel like I'm putting on a show you know and you can't just let your true colors fly and finally I you know got

Taylor fucking Nicks picked me up at 3 or 4 a.m. I called her I said I think I'm fucking having a heart attack you know and she came and she rushed me to the hospital in Dallas

and drove me and they had to get a wheelchair to come get me out of the front seat. And they rolled me in and, uh, the doctors were just like, fucking, you have pushed it to the limit. And so, so I cleaned myself up, you know, and that the two nights before was the wildest night of my life. You know, and the two nights before was the wildest night of my life. I'd stayed up for four days. And a week before, I'd bought a Harley Davidson, a 1976 fucking shovelhead.

And I was blowing down and ripping Dallas fucking at midnight to 4 a.m. on those fucking highways as high as balls, as fast as the Harley Davidson would go. Why were you wanting to like kill yourself? No, I was just wanting to haul ass. Just wanted to haul ass was never, ever dude. I've thought about the thought of killing myself, but never really thought about killing myself.

You know what I mean? I thought about the thought, you know, and then I'd be like, dude, I just can't fucking do it. I just can't do it. I'm too big of a pussy.

And you know, somebody would probably have to you know straight up kill my whole family and do it in front of me and fucking make me to where i have the ptsd for life for me to jump off a bridge or something like it have to be something like i've thought about that like what would it be to make me do that like you have to be something horrific you know where were you getting all this money to buy a bike and buy all this coke did the label get you in advance or were you no i was uh i've been in the weed game in texas for a long time dude fucking i was been supporting my habits and all my partying and all my living through a whole different business selling weed illegally yeah and one of my living through a whole different business, selling weed illegally. Yeah. And one of my buddies just in seven years got popped for it all.

And he finally got out and how he got popped again. He's just in the fucking system thing, you know, for weed, you know, and it's just so fucking sad. And he was like a number one, number two guy in business school and, you know, fucking brilliant brain could be, could own the biggest dispensary ever you know he'd be one of those guys to be a billionaire but he never he just got popped and popped and popped and popped and i watched him and watched him because he would have 50 or 100 or first time he got caught 465k in the bedpost at our in san marcos cash dude we got caught with

465 i left six hours before the fucking cops came with the fucking steel hammer thing and knocked down the fucking door with fucking AK or fucking assault rifles. Think about if you got caught. On the couch. I was just on the couch. That's where I slept. I've been couching it for a fucking decade at this point. You know what I mean?

It's where I lived. I couldn't afford rent. It's so scary being in a police state like Texas, and especially in East Texas, Tyler, where it's like they don't fuck around. Like, why? You're a fucking rebel, dog. I'm real good buds with the mayor and the sheriff here, though.

So you just got to know somebody. That's the thing. Paul's out there selling that dope again. Oh, boy. No, man. No, I don't sell anymore, man. But I will connect A to B if somebody might need something. It is halftime at the Andy Fresco interview hour.

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We're done. I love you. Thank you, Repsy, for sponsoring the podcast. And enjoy more of Paul Coffin. So let's get back to when you got to the doctor and the doctor's like whoa your heart is fucked dude so this is what the craziest part of this story is so my family had showed up you know they found out i'm in the hospital and that i was fucking gonna have a endoscopy or whatever they call it and threw my thigh and they run up a vein all the way into my heart and they check with the camera

to see if, because what's going on because it's looking at my blood saying that I'm just having fucking heart attacks. You know, troponin is not released. You didn't know? I didn't fucking know, dude. I feel like I'm having a heart attack a lot when I'm on the golf course.

Like when I get pissed. I'm like, yep, might be having it. I feel like that. I got a Polish sausage lodged right into my heart. Like, all right, just another heart attack. Like, you know. Dump birds. Dump birds. Dump birds.

Dump birds. That's exactly how I feel like every day. I'm like, it'll happen. I mean, whatever. Maybe. Maybe it doesn't who knows my granddad didn't smoke drink freaking do anything but be healthy his whole life died at 61 and throat cancer dude it's gonna either take you or it won't you know what i mean yeah this world so i'm gonna live it but back to the doctor the doctor wakes me up and tells me you know the first thing you know i'm coming out of anesthesia and I'm one of those guys, if I take like

downers or any pills that are taking me out of anesthesia, I become a fucking, I'm meaner than mean. Like, I am mean. Like, it just makes me moody and mean and edgy and my fucking fuse just lowers, you know, I'm just hot. And so I come out of this anesthesia,

dude. My granddad was the same way. I remember when he was passing away, you know, when he was getting old, and they were fucking at him. I'm like, fuck you, you fucking motherfucker. Fuck all of you, you know. He's in there. So I came to, right?

He tells me that he told my family that, you know, that I had enough cocaine in my fucking system to kill a fucking ox. That's pretty much what he says. I stand up, pull my IV out of my arm, right? Start squirting blood everywhere, pumping out of my left arm. I am raging, and they're trying to get me down. I am raging and they're trying to get me down. I fucking run out the door, squirting blood.

I go to the counter. I see where they keep the keys and the patients. I grab my keys and I've got my ass and my family and I'm in my fucking robe and I'm running the fuck out of this hospital, dude. Bleeding like a stuck pig. Now, this is a story I've never told anybody. Bo Bedford knows like a few of my friends, but this has not been

a public story. I'm saying fuck it now, dude. Fucking forget about it. But yeah, I'm fucking got blood and this blood's got cocaine in it. So I'm like, I'm telling the other guys,

man, any old vampires want to get high, they're going to look up some of this shit on the ground. What made you want to do that? You know, were you ashamed of your family knowing the truth? Yeah. I was like, I'm not going to look my mom in the eye right now on this day. Oh man. Dude, and I bailed. You bailed. Like I left. The cop was running after me. Didn't even see my folks. My dad, they tried to fucking gut me, and they said it's still this day. It was the scariest moment of their lives.

I was like, sorry. So your mom and your dad came to the hospital. They found out you were in the hospital. Oh, fucking sister, I think. I don't even remember, dude. It's a blur, and we don't talk about it. Yeah, yeah. You know, and it was definitely something that should be in a movie probably.

I mean, it was hilarious probably if somebody else saw it. I mean, I was probably like a barbarian. Like I was fucking knocking on – Just naked, dick out, Paul. I mean, naked, dick out. Running through and I've got a terribly ugly ass. And so can you imagine that, the breakup and the fucking back of the fucking little tunic they've got a terribly ugly ass and so can you imagine that the breakup in the fucking back of the fucking little little tunic they've got you in or whatever that little outfit the little apron

with my ass showing and me gushing blood down a white hallway like can you see that in a film i think it's it'd be great it's going yeah yo warner brothers hook your boy up. Come on. Let's get him. Let's go. Let's fucking go. What I'm trying to get at is like, it was like, were you afraid? I guess you're just afraid to be honest with your parents about who you actually were. In a way, man. My dad had told me, you know, some wild stories of his upbringing and shit. And, you know, I wasn wasn't I wasn't ever a fucking

afraid of drugs because that's all they've been stuffing down my throat since I was seven. Yeah, exactly. What in the fuck is the difference? Yeah, true. Dude, you take two 30s Adderall or you blow a whole eight ball of coke, your heart's ticking at the same fucking speed. Yeah, you're right.

You're fucking right. Sorry. Like doctor shit or fucking cartel shit. I don't give a fuck. Whatever in between. you're right you're fucking right sorry like you're right doctor's shit or fucking cartel shit i don't give a fuck whatever in between you're right you're 100 right it's just like man i never did heroin or anything like that i never shot anything up i kind of had those were my boundaries but uh you know i probably did heroin with in an ecstasy pill before and it probably was amazing but i don't really remember it. And those were some blurry-ass days. I feel you.

So did that wake you up? Was that like a reality check for you? Dude, I traded in my motorcycle to Jeff Sines for studio time. I gave him the bike. And my CPA had fired me for buying that motorcycle you know and uh because i didn't really have the money to buy a fucking 76 harley in nashville take it all the way back just fucking um that sucker all the way back uh fucking hired in balls dude making really smart decisions. But, man, I fucking gave it to Jeff, and Jeff took it on. I think he gave me like seven or eight grand worth of studio time.

And we started finishing up these songs I'd been written in that fucking stupor in that crazy wild times uh you know i wrote slow down fucking me and uh my buddy jason wrote that cocaine country dance and i just had all that going just was kind of fucking just you know we were just kind of sitting in a in a room. It's a quarter to fucking one, quarter to two, whatever it is. I don't even know my lyrics right now. When I'm not singing it, I cannot tell you my own lyrics. Yeah, same here, bro.

It's fucking, it's like. Play them every night when it's not daytime. Oh, you know that one song when you say about the robin going across the tree? And I'm like, what fucking song is that? Did they play it for me? And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's a good one, huh? Yeah, thank you. Fuck, I don't know.

Are your records, when you're making records, is it kind of like therapy for you? Oh, yeah, man. But then it can do the reverse effect if I get too, what I call, submarine. Tell me about that. When you're in the studio and you got the fucking, you know,

the blinders on life, and you're just in here in this tube and it feels like you're in a submarine just working in the studio working in the studio working in the studio and then it becomes your creative like all of your uh let's say your sponge has been wrung out yeah you know you got to go out there and back in the day, it was like get some strange or fucking go do some drugs or do this or that or go to a freaking art exhibit or talk to, you know, your weirdest friend, you know, go fucking sit by a homeless man and share a fucking pint. Yeah. You know, or share some fucking liquor with the rent. You're like, I would have to do something that is just off the wall. Yeah.

In order to just get a spark of fucking just inspiration again. So you're, it's like, so it's really true. I mean, I do it too. We have to live to write. We can't just like.

For sure, dude. And that's like your goal, right? Is to live life to this. Man. And I think what true, I think real writers, like, you know, I love the Renaissance and I love the, you know, Gertrude Stein

and all that stuff, Scott Fitzgerald and all, you know, Hemingway and everything, all that shit, love it. Because at least they were writing about what they were going through. Exactly. So you can get a picture of what history was like from somebody sitting on a bar stool.

What do you think about Bukowski? Fucking sad. It's a little dark. But to say the least, no, but fucking real. Real. I mean, is that why we want to write music, is to write the real experience of the human experience? I mean, it's just to be blunt and frank and to be honest

is almost frowned upon now. It's bullshit. We're being like fucking shielded. Yeah. You know, the word freedom of speech has gone out the door yeah you know what i mean we get in trouble for saying shit did you get in trouble for uh talking talking spicy on instagram or no i get you know but i i'm i'm screened it's a little bit screened for me because I just, I don't want to open up my emotions too far with it.

Why not? If they want to come right here to a podcast where me and you are having a conversation, they can realize that it's fucking real. Yeah. And it's not just me, a fucking bass or whatever. Yeah, it's an outlet. We're doing this, but you and I are having a fucking real conversation. It's true.

So they can get a real fucking depiction of me. Me fucking just throwing up my emotions on a fucking post. Yeah, once in a while when I'm boiling and I get to a point where I'm about to say something stupid, where I have to think about it, be like, okay, I got to be literate. I can't piss too many people off. Like, I don't want to, but I'm going to be just a blunt, honest fucking human right now. Right. Exactly.

And that's just kind of, that's, you know, I fucking hate far left. I hate far right. I hate, I hate people who hate, you know what I mean? Yeah, totally. And that's what I felt, you know, what's been real nice in the past, you know, or coming up, is that people are kind of more leaning towards being moderate and not giving a shit, you know, and just, like, actually making a change for themselves today and making a change for others around them rather than bitching about it on a fucking Twitter.

Yeah, exactly. You know, what the fuck does Twitter do? Nothing. Fucking nothing. You're behind a computer screen does Twitter do? Nothing. Fucking nothing. You're behind a computer screen. You're not doing shit for humanity. No. You're not doing shit.

Unless you got a trillion followers, which people that usually do, they don't do any good. No. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so it's like with my 50-something thousand fuckers on Instagram that love me and those fuckers, I love them just as much. We're all fuckers in this fucker of a world. And I want to just show them love and good vibes instead of the hate. And that's the least thing I can do.

You talk about this, how you've been fighting with suppressing your anger. Do you think Elizabeth helped you save your life? 100%, dude. I just want to think, I just think about like married Paul versus fucking cocaine, bitching Paul. What are the differences? Dude, hey, I can still have fun. I know you do.

I know you can still have fun. Taylor Garrison is my homie. I I can still have fun. I know you do. Taylor Garrison is my homie. I know you guys have fun. Oh, my God. Good God. We're talking about all going to Puerto Rico together. Home team barbecue, Taylor Garrison. I think we should go on a vacation together. We should go on a vacation together.

We're talking about dirt bikes through Mexico City. That sounds fun. Enduros. Yeah. And he's. Enduros. Yeah. And he's like, yeah. And he's like, I've got good friends. I was like, oh, man. But tell me the difference.

Tell me the difference. Like, you met Elizabeth, and you were kind of like, you said you just had a heart attack or what? You were just going through it? Man, I finally had something else to live for. And tell me about that. What made you change your mind? I didn't really care earlier in life.

I was so reckless. And then I realized, man, I can give love to somebody and she can give love to me back and we can make each other better. Yeah. That's fucking cool. And what, dude, it caught me at the time where I was like, fuck love, fuck it all. About to have sex with every girl I can until I die. Don't give a shit.

Love is out of the picture. I just want to blow a load. Yeah. You know, pretty much is what it was forever. So how'd you get out of your own way? And then you go to saying that to, holy shit, this makes me want to put all of my attention and passion and to work hard for this one woman, you know? And that never had happened to me, not even when I was engaged before. It was a totally different feeling.

And she was going through the same emotion. That's the thing about it. She had given up on it. She had been used, abused, and treated like shit, or been through this and been through that. And she'd been up in New York for 12 years, you know, working, fucking three jobs, paying $3,500 a month for her little shithole apartment. And fucking, you know, just working her ass off to the bone.

She was a dancer at FIT or did Alvin Ailey. And she's a freaking seamstress and makes dresses. And she works her ass off. And then finally we run into each other. First night I meet her, I say, I'm going to marry you. And she says, you're not coming home with me. And then. Hold on.

Does she live in Tyler? No, she lives in fucking New York. You brought her to fucking Tyler? I brought her. Dude, I had to. It went Dallas. Big city, right? Yeah.

Brought her to Dallas. We stayed in Dallas for two years or so. And then we were about to buy a condo that the fucking property taxes would have been more than what I spend on my mortgage. Yeah, it's just fucking insane. And we were at my grandmother's house in Silver Springs, Texas. And Elizabeth was like, Hey, let's just go check out that house that your mom was about to sell.

My mom had it up on the market. I'd hooked her up with a realtor, my buddy, David Kurtz here in Tyler and dwell realty. And Tyler, you can drop that on the podcast. Good guy. But,

uh, he, uh, you know, uh, was about to sell it, had a buyer, had an offer. It was in. Paperwork was going through.

And we basically came in at the last second. And Elizabeth, I told her about what all this house means to me because it was the house I grew up in. And my granddad helped renovate. And it was his last summer alive. And he helped me i've laid all the grass in the front yard i helped pour the concrete and fucking and build the uh carport and the deck and all these things when i was 10 years old you know and it kind of gave me a little bit of work ethic this home did and it's just a little old house in a little old part of town right down the

street from andy woods that i used to walk up the street to. Spit out my Adderall right there, you know. Right up the street where my folks would give it to. You know, I'm surprised there's not an Adderall flower bed over here that little Adderalls are growing out of the grass. Just blue pills out of. Blue pills. Here you go, kids. Uncle Paul here.

Yeah. So, man, it just – it changed my perspective. I guess it's probably like the same feeling, which I wouldn't know. It's like having a kid. Yeah. You know, your reason for living changes. Yeah. You know, your reason for being.

It's not – you can't be selfish. You got to be more of a giving spirit. And I liked, and that made me a happier person. And when I was around her even more and more,

I was just happier and happier. And I was like, fuck, this person makes me so fucking happy. Yeah. Like, and she's so happy

and she was such in a dark place, dude. She was the meanest, coldest bartender, dude. I watched her way she treated people.

And then I moved her ass to Tyler. I had to go to Dallas to Tyler. We got to Tyler and I was like, babe, you can't just tell it like it is in Tyler, Texas. I'm telling you, we will be blackballed, blacklisted, put on the streets and pushed out of town if you keep

on. We got to watch our mouths here just for six months and then they'll love us i promise and finally and you know what happened covid hit so we had to stay in we had to stay in so it's great we can we learned all about our filter together and then we and we made it through covid together and if we can do that being in this house together when we're two people that were actually built on moving and going and shaking and being and you know being able to do that i was like damn we are in love

yeah what'd you learn about yourself because as a as a runner you know it seems like you and me are fucking simpatico with this shit as a runner how'd you how'd you deal with covid jogged in place you know that's what it felt like it's just straight up fucking you know good move man i played a lot of golf the golf course didn't really shut down it was cool so i you know i really got into that back again because i'd never had any money or anything for 15 years uh to play golf and back when i was younger, when my granddad was alive, he was a golfer, and that's not what we had. We shared a bond,

playing a lot of golf. Finally, I got back to the country club I always wanted to be a part of here in Tyler, and now I'm just kind of like the fucking edge of pushing the envelope up there. It's fun to be on that edge.

Right there where they're like, bud. So, and it's fun to be on that edge, you know? Yeah. It's right there where they're like, God damn it, we might want to kick you out, but by God, you're up here a lot. Yeah. You know, so we don't want to lose you, but fucking hell, you know?

Yeah, and it's all like stiff ass, a lot of golf fans. A lot of it's stiff, dude. It's just about this stiff motherfuckers, dude. But the fucking coolest thing is to watch a stiff person become just fucking chill because they're hanging out with somebody that's so fucking off the wall. Oh, I could just see you over there. And you watch these older guys that are just cutting up more, and I'm just like, fucking right, dude.

This is happening. Like, this is happening. Yeah, that's amazing. And it's been an experience, you know. As for everybody, what did you do during COVID? I mean, fuck. Man, I just, I kind of stay, I distracted myself. I started like three different businesses, did a podcast,

talked about addiction and mental health, and basically did dance parties. I just stayed working. I'm addicted to work, Paul. That's just who I am. Me too, man. What, yo, I know you got to get out of here pretty soon um i want to i want to talk you know you keep talking about your grandfather

and it seems like your grandfather means a lot to you how how what was your personality or your soul doing when he passed away that was like seems like the first big death in your life. Yeah. Man, we were prepared, but it was very quick. My granddad, he was diagnosed with just like this thyroid. They thought it was just thyroid cancer. And we had gone to spring break in March of 1995. 1995. And by no, it was March of 96. And by

July, he was dead. And we knew, we found out in March that they took his thyroid out. And then a couple weeks later, it was bothering him. They went back in, and they said, actually, it's this cancer. It was anaplastic cancer of the thyroid, and it had already gone to his lymph nodes. It was just tumors and fucking trachea. He couldn't talk at the end of his life.

We had to basically sit there, they basically, he was, he was done, you know, and he was writing on a notepad at the end and stuff and just words of wisdom and just how to live and she has this list of things, you know, keep God first in the spirit and keep your, you know, family true to themselves and be humble. And just all the fucking things somebody on their deathbed would want their only grandsons until he didn't have any sons. So, like, him and I had a different bond, you know. We were just like, that was my dad. And, you know, another dad, pretty much. My dad and I were, we were close too. But, you know, my granddad and I was something else. Yeah.

But it changed, man. When he passed away, I just felt so hollow. Because right after that, my parents got a divorce. Oh, fuck. You know, so, and then my parents got a divorce. you know? So, and then my parents got a divorce. So it was me and my two sisters and my mom and, and, you know, bouncing around. And, uh, I was 11, you know, and got through that. I got into, you know, trouble and started,

I was, I got into boxing a lot, even more, and then got in, got assault charges and fucking in trouble for fighting. And just, I was a angry little kid, you know,

and finally got through that. I didn't really have a cool childhood there for a minute. And then it, it started getting good again. Friends and being around a good community of people and it'll get you through anything.

If I have a sad, sappy story, there's somebody down the street that has one that's happier. Life is fucking life. My little niece, my niece said that when she was like three or four years old she looked up at my dad and I remember we were out by my dad's house and

my sister called my niece's mom said I have a flat tire or something and he's like oh man sorry and my little niece Harper looks up at my dad and says well you know life is life. That's so crazy.

And it was just like, what the fuck? And the craziest little thing about a kid, the craziest little piece of wisdom I ever got was this girl named Aubrey, my friend Laura Powell's daughter. I was writing songs down in this basement, and she had woken up in the middle of the night, and I was staying on the couch at Laura's house. She's a good friend of mine.

Her daughter had gotten up and walked down with her blanket and was like half asleep. It's kind of freaky when a little kid just walks in there half asleep. It's like, okay, is this the fucking Shining or something? I'm like, what horror film are we in? It's like she's like 4 a.m., and she walks down, and I'm writing this song. I was like, what do you think about the constellation she said the constellation is a home as a home to give the stars to float to what the fuck and then walks right up the stairs this girl's four this is the old soul shit you're talking about though and i'm just like what the fuck you know

there's more out there man and i don't know anybody that's ever written in a book doesn't know it. And you know what else? Nobody's died yet. So we're not really smart about what's going to fucking happen. And I believe the spirit is alive and good vibes are alive. And what you can get out of a show when it's perfectly, when you deliver your full soul to an audience and then they give it back to you and there's something, a reciprocal fucking flow of energy

that has actually happened that is the undeniable, which I kind of explain as to people as God. Yeah, same. You know what I mean? When you open your vessel, you know? Exactly. Vessel is a word, dude. I use that word every, before I go on the show, every time I say, God, let me be a vessel. Use me in the ways you want to use me and let me do what I'm supposed to do. Do you think when your vessels open, do you think you're the most present?

Fuck yeah. I agree, bro. The most me, dude. fuck yeah i agree bro the most me dude yeah that's what it's about man and i believe there's a lot of people there's a lot of good acts that are going around that are actually great vessels right now and uh man i i love billy strings and what he's doing i think he's i i've you know him and i've talked a few times and I like what he's doing. I think you, the way you conduct yourself on stage and the way

you pour yourself out live is a real thing. It's not fake. There's a girl, Nikki Lane, that is just as real country as it gets. The Black Pumas are doing something that's very spiritual right now.

And there's just a bunch of good bands. A bunch of Marcus King and that crew. Nathaniel Rateliff is definitely a holder of a torch. I'm like, we're the torchbearers. We're the guy. That's what we have to do in life. I think we're the torch bearers. You know, we're the guy, that's what we have to do in life. We got to hold the torch to give light to others, you know? That's true, man.

It's like, once we realize our, yeah, exactly. You know, it's like, I agree. You know, it's like, we go into the trenches, we go to work, we do our, I call us blue collar musicians. We go out there and we fucking bring it every single goddamn night. And that's what we do. i call us i call us blue collar musicians we go out there and we fucking bring it every single goddamn night and that's what we do that's our job our passion i got two more questions i'll let you go do your call all right buddy um so is it was it weird moving back to your

family house like having sex in your mom's room and shit oh my parents were divorced thank god by then but yeah no man it's just home yeah it's just home you know do you think you learned that from your grandfather like yeah you know like going back home going back to your roots you think that the last thing your grandfather said to you my that that was definitely a lesson i learned from my grandfather was like you know this you know, this isn't a mansion. This isn't the nicest house. This isn't. But it's your house.

Yeah. It's your mom's house. We figured out a way to get this house and rebuild this house and redo it and get the wood floors and figured out a way to just build it and make it our own, you know. And it's just a blessing to have a roof over the head and have running water and to be able to pay for groceries. Yeah, totally. Got to always keep those basics of survival in the beginning of your thoughts in the day.

How do I feed my family? How do I pay the bills? And how do I, you know, keep the shelter over my head? And also, how do I keep the demons out of my head, you know? Exactly, dude. Is it hard for you to keep the demons out of your head? And sometimes you just got to fucking shake it off, shake them off, you know, and just be mindful.

You know, when I start feeling myself pissed off, I can definitely, I'm smart enough to know when it's happening. Because I've gone through so much emotional training and feelings of different, you know, either serotonin's hot one day or dopamine's hot one day or freaking none of it's there. Or, you know, figuring out how to figuring out how to work my own engine. Yeah. You know? And I just kind of figured it out over the years. Not to say that I'll go bump a line of fucking cocaine next week and it has fentanyl in it and it kills me.

But, you know. You're right. Fucking who knows in this world. But, you know, I'm not really, you know, it's fewer and far between now, man, and I'm pretty fucking to the point and I'm brutally honest and I don't really give a shit.

Yeah. You think living fearless is living free? Yeah, but in a fucking way, you know, fearless is kids you killed. Yeah, chick. You know, fucking hell. I should have died a lot of times. You know, maybe we should write that song. Yeah.

I should have died a lot of times. It's not too bad. Hey, everybody listening, we've got the co-write. That's Frasco Cawthon Entertainment. Yeah. If you try to fuck us, we'll come for your house. We will fuck you. We will fuck you up. Paul,

it's been great, brother. Nice to meet you. Fast friends. I think we're going to be buddies. I think so. We'll go to Mexico City. We'll go ride bikes. Let's go. I'm talking about motorcycles, not bicycles, bud. I ain't getting on no fucking bike. I need an engine, buddy. I weigh 250. No problem. bicycles, bud. I ain't getting on no fucking bike.

I need an engine, buddy. I weigh 250. No problem. I got you. I got one last question, Paul, and then let's go. What's that? Yeah. What do you want to be remembered by, Paul?

I'm just, man, I was just a good man that did good for others and wasn't selfish and, uh, was a family man. And, uh, that's about it. You know, I wanted to be,

I want to show love, compassion and, uh, good and spread the light to, to the people that are maybe pushed to that moment to where they do want to jump or do want to fucking, you know, do something crazy. You know, which crazy is everybody. It's just haven't,

you know, maybe I was one of those guys that somebody who's going through a tough time realized that maybe they can understand their own crazy because I can understand my own crazy. You know what I mean? It's possible. You just got to fucking, we're all an engine, you know? I always go back to that because I can understand my own crazy. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's possible. You just got to fucking, we're all engine. You know?

Yeah. I always go back to that because I love cars and fucking motors and carburetors and I understand oil and gas. But that's what our brains are. And sometimes some of us are built running a little hot, you know? Yeah. And if we can figure out ways to control our minds and then show good love and light to somebody else in the world that may need it,

maybe that's going to be my, that's how I'm a vessel. Well, thank fucking God for Paul motherfucking Coffin, dude. Let's go. Thank you, buddy. Thanks, buddy. God bless you, dude. God bless. Have a great day brother

later Andy later bud wow that was great everything I wanted I love that motherfucker I've been hearing about him forever I have mutual friends

that are his friends and I'm just thankful that he shared his time with me Paul thank you brother that was fucking tight we are simpatico in our thoughts we are simpatico in our thoughts um we are simpatico in our thoughts all right i'll catch you on the tail end now a message from the un Got a letter in an old mailbox

God, I had it in a little truck style Read it once and I read it again I can hardly keep from crying Driving around last week or so with an empty truck I didn't have a load And I don't care cause to tell you the truth

I think I might be dying And it's trucker speed Ben's a dream Percocets and phantom memes, black beauties and west coast turnarounds. When the coast is clear, I drive with my knees, I mix it all up like a recipe, Coca-Cola and coffee to wash it down. Sometimes I feel like my wheels ain't touching the ground. Sometimes I feel like my wheels ain't touching the ground.

All right, and there you have it. Thank you, Paul. That was fucking badass. I love honesty. I love when people just get honest with their past and accept who they were and figuring out how they're going to do better and how they're going to change and be as happy as we can, as much as we can. So shout out to Paul. Let's go, bud. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Another week, another week of, um, of this. Thank you for listening. Um, I gotta say this, go, uh, give us a rating, go give us a five-star rating so we can stay in the charts. The numbers have been huge. Thank you so much. All the new fans out there, listeners of the podcast, and everyone who's been coming out to the shows. I have Nick opening the show a lot, so I don't get to thank everybody. So thank you so much for coming out.

The shows have been amazing. I'm just stoked on it. We have Wednesday, we're playing in Louisville. Let's go, Louisville. I like Louisville, Kentucky. And then the 4th, we're in Madison, Wisconsin at the high noon. The 5th, Minneapolis, Minnesota at the Turf Club. The 6th, in Chicago, Illinois at Talia Hall.

Let's go. I have a lot of podcast fans from Chicago. I know there's, I got to pump up Chicago. It's a big room. We got to pack this bitch out. Come on now. I know Billy's playing. I know Spafford's playing.

A bunch of people are playing, but let's fucking go. Go to all of them. Just see a couple songs. That sounds expensive. Actually, don't do that. But if you could come out, that'd be fucking awesome. And then I got to, next week I'm in Denver for a couple days. And then we're playing in Bend, Oregon.

Yes, it's going to be fun for 10 barrels, Pray for Snow. We're playing on the 13th there. And then we have four more shows of this November tour until we get to the final leg. And that is on November 17th. We're playing in Birmingham, Alabama, home of Repsy. Let's go, boys. November 18th, Asheville, North Carolina.

November 19th, Atlanta, Georgia. And we're kicking the end of this before we go to Thanksgiving. Nashville, baby. I can't wait to be in Nashville. We got a lot of sit-ins. I'm just letting you know, last time we were in Nashville, we had Billy sit-in. We have a fucking great sit-ins for this one. So Nashville, come on out

Saturday night, see your boy Frasco at the Basement East. But, um, and then I'm going to hang out in Nashville for like three days. I'm going to go to the Titans game on Sunday. I'm excited about, and then I'm going to go see the national soccer team. Um, they're playing in Tennessee. I'm going to hang out for three days before I go see the national soccer team. They're playing in Tennessee. I'm going to just hang out for three days before I go see my parents in Thanksgiving. That's it, guys. Have a great week. Don't take no shit from nobody.

Be exactly who you want to be every goddamn second. I know it's hard to be exactly who you want to be. We talked a little bit with Paul about that. We're scared to be authentic. We're scared to say no to people if we don't feel like that's the right thing to do. Don't be afraid anymore. Fucking, I'm going to pump you up. Don't be afraid to be exactly who the fuck you want to be. All your haters, don't even listen to them. Fuck't need They don't need their goddamn energy in their life I tell you that fucking much right now Jesus

Be with the people who love you Be with the people who surround you with good optimism Because at the end of the day It's just us and our thoughts It seriously is It's just us and our thoughts So we might as well control the demons in our heads Try to figure out the weird addictions we

have and if they're fucking you up then uh figure out ways to help change those habits because addictions are just habits and if those habits are just not for you anymore you feel like they're ruining you let's stop let's get help find help therapy rehab whatever it, let's stop. Let's get help, find help, therapy, rehab, whatever it is. Let's try to be the most authentic person to ourselves and not forget that little kid inside all of us. So just be happy, be inspired. Got four more shows left on this tour for the second leg. And then it's kind of smooth sailing for November and December. And then I'm off for a couple months. A lot of interviews for you, a lot of stuff.

I'm going to put out a new record in the beginning of next year too. So you're not done with me yet, people. I love you. And I just want to say again, thanks to everyone for buying merch. Thanks for everyone giving me all these cool gifts and arts, custom art that you guys made for me. It's just, I love you.

You guys are having my back and you know how much I care about you. We're in this shit together. So don't take no goddamn shit for nobody. All right, Chris, play the, play the outro music. Let's fucking go. Have a great week. And I'm going to see the Midwesterners this week. Be ready.

Wear an extra pair of pants because shit is going fucking down. Not your leg, but it's just going down. I love you. You tuned in to the World's Health Podcast with Andy Fresco, now in its fourth season. Thank you for listening to this episode. Produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Ang its fourth season. Thank you for listening to this episode. Produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Angelo and Chris Lawrence. We need you to help us save the world and spread the word.

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