Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 149: Amanda Shires

Episode Date: November 23, 2021

Andy & Nick discuss the end of tour, Thanksgiving, and the crush we all have on Todd Glass. Warm your heart by the fires of this pair's banter as they decide whether they'll miss each other after tour. And on the Interview Hour we welcome singer/songwriter & masterful fiddler, Amanda Shires! Andy and her discuss transcendental meditation, injuries, and her new Christmas album.. Nick conducts 1minInterview #2; Case subject: Floyd. It's EP 149, yo Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Friends (A Song About Friends)" on iTunes, Spotify  Check out Amanda Shires while you're reading this!    Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Mara Davis Floyd Kellogg Shawn Eckels Arno Bakker

What's up, Andy? It's me, Mara Davis, your talent booker. I had so much fun meeting you in Atlanta. The show was amazing. You were such a delight. You were so not inappropriate. You were just like the sweetest, sweetest guy. It was awesome. And then I realized the reason why you probably didn't hit on me is because I could likely be your mom. But anyway, that would really be creepy. So thank you for your service. Great night. Talk to you soon.

Wait, that's creepy. I don't know. Mike told me to say I could be your mom. No. I'm not getting weird. I couldn't be his mom. I could be your mom. Fuck.

Andy, it's Nick. Olus. Zerlock. Just go back to Denver, and I landed, and there was a big welcome home Nick sign when I got off the airplane in the airport and there was an unwelcome home Andy Frasco sign because guess what? No one wants you to come back here anymore, man. You're getting people too drunk.

You're turning everyone into mushroom addicts. You just aren't good. People are already unfocused enough as it is here. Also, getting some feedback from the fans, they want me to be the primary host of the show now and maybe downgrade you to co-host. They're just saying I'm more interested in you. The episodes are better when I'm on it, when you're alone.

It's just frankly not very good. Of course, this is from many, many, many, many interactions I've been getting in my DMs and even an email address that they shouldn't even know about. So they're getting really aggressive about this. I hope you're having a good time going to various sporting events in Nashville. Just gallivanting around like a boy with your Peter Pan syndrome. Nothing to do. And we're back.

And we're back. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. Hell yeah. How's our heads? How's your head? Me? Yeah. It's good. I got a thing where I cut myself and shaved my head. But besides that. Oh, you mean like my mental health. Your mental health. I'm fucking tired.

I did not sleep last night. I laid in bed for seven hours. My insomnia flared. You went to bed before us. I was asleep when you came back in the room and you woke me up. Not like, you mean not like it was your fault. You're just going back to the hotel room. But then I just didn't go back to sleep till like seven.

And I slept till nine. But it was like that half sleep, you know what I'm talking about? I like i wasn't drunk or anything damn i feel bad for people who have insomnia i have some insomnia issues it's bad does it fuck you up yeah but i've had it for so long that now i'm kind of getting used to it you know what i mean so it's like in some ways it's kind of why the road doesn't fuck with me as much as other people i'm so used to not sleeping that good that it's like okay like you know i mean four hours of sleep at least i'm doing something fun at least i'm not sitting in my apartment trying to write a blog i don't know if this sounds creepy or not but i could tell when you're fake sleeping because i watch you when you sleep yeah i don't fake sleep i'm trying to go to

sleep i'm not like pretending i'm not you like you go on your phone i could see like the indent of the power of the phone. Because I'm trying to, it's like I have all these tricks. You don't want to talk to me. No, because that'll keep me up. It'll fuck me up. But I have little tricks. Sometimes if I watch TikTok videos, it'll help me doze. I'm kind of offended by that.

Why don't you want to talk to me when you're... No, I don't want to talk to anybody because it'll stimulate me too much and it'll make me harder to go back to sleep. Because why? Because I have issues with sleep. Don't do it. Like, okay, the other night, the other night we were talking about hot, hot guys

when we shared the apartment in Birmingham. Yeah, we had the band house. Shout out Jamie. That dude's cool as fuck. I don't know if he listens to the podcast. He does. Jamie. I really like that guy.

I love, see, that's the best thing about staying at people's houses. I do like that. Who have like big houses. It still feels. Best house of the tour, by the way. The best house of the tour, FYI. Shout out to the best house of the tour. Not because it's big, because it's just, first of all, it's beautiful.

Beautiful house. And I don't even care about that type of shit. Like, I'm not the guy that's like, oh, exposed brick. You know what I mean? But that was like a masterpiece of decorating. But it feels just warm. Like, you go on a couch it's a home television you know sometimes the hotels get sterile like we've been in the all cracked in motels this whole tour i think you're underselling it a little bit it hasn't been that bad a couple times yeah maybe maybe my standards are just lower

than yours no i just uh sometimes when you get into those crack-in hotels, the sheets, you could tell when they're kind of like humid. When the sheets are humid. Gross. That means there's cum everywhere. Yeah, there's cum everywhere in the rich people hotels too. I know, but the cum is hidden a little bit. Yeah, they're better at hiding the cum.

It's classy cum. How many minutes have we been talking before we got to cum today? Two minutes and 45 seconds. Hell yeah. How long can two white guys talk before cum comes up? P.S. They're both straight in theory. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving.

You got any jam band gossip for me? I don't. We could make some shit up. Talk and... Well, special are merging into one band really special did you hear about that i didn't hear no i mean late talk late talk that's better right let's talk they're late talk they're a french uh punk rock yeah it's gonna be so sick you're gonna do like uh covers of movie soundtracks with um but only from the 80s and 90s

and only if they have uh patrick swayze or tom cruise i feel like this would crush at a festival actually let's talk this whole thing i just described i think would crush people will go see a band play 80s and 90s soundtrack yes it's called indie music it's already been done it's doing it they're doing it right now what are they doing what no i mean like actual covers of songs from 80s and 90s like blockbuster movies like like songs off top gun like all that shit you've been trying to start a fucking tv show and movie uh you know i'm just into tv right now big time um we could talk about who who are the hottest guys we should save that though for what for the guests that it applies to oh because we we finally

got it we got a hot we have a legitimately we have a teen heartthrob coming on the show we hope i mean i don't know if it's like it's happening eight a hundred percent it's but we don't want to tell what's but i'm not gonna tell you who it is just in case you know this is this podcast industry is fickle uh we have a legitimate teenage heartthrob coming on the show, and I am fucking stoked about it. I didn't want to do the interview. I love pop culture. I love TV.

This shit is amazing to me. I didn't want to do the interview. I'm like, eh, should I do it? I don't know if my fans... You didn't know about it. You were a little too young for him. No, no, no. I fucking watched his movies.

He was a hot guy when I was young. But you didn't know how famous he was. I didn't realize how famous he was. So maybe you guys can guess. Let's say he's a... I'm not going to say what years because that'll give it away too much. But this guy was one of the teen heartthrobs.

He's still around. His star burned brightly as a teen heartthrob. He's still a cool dude that does a lot of stuff. But his peak was very high and shorter than others. That's the only hit you get. But then I started doing some research on the dude. So hot. He's hot.

And he's fucking cool. It seems like. It seems like he's cool. I mean, to be as famous as he got and have the kind of life he has now, a lot of people crash and burn. What are you thankful for? Oh, man. It's Thanksgiving. We need to talk about that.

I know. We already did that the other day, though. With Todd. With Todd. Yeah. Oh, man. It's Thanksgiving. We need to talk about that. I know. We already did that the other day, though. With Todd. Oh, that was fun. We thought it was Thanksgiving, then halfway through, you're like, no, it's a Christmas episode. But we did a whole segment on being thankful. And then you're like, I'm on mushrooms. It's Christmas

now. And then we started singing Christmas. Yeah, we got Todd Glass. It's a fever dream of a podcast. That was the first time me and Todd, right? Yeah, we got Todd Glass. It's a fever dream of a podcast. That was the first time me and Todd, right? Yeah, dude. That dude's fucking rules. He's the best.

I went to his stand-up show. Yeah, you went in Denver. How was it? I loved it. Yeah, he's funny. He's very much a jazz. He's like a jazz comedian. It's very bebop.

The rhythm is very fast. There's jokes, and there's a joke under the joke. They'll just stab in there. I loved the rhythm of it. Yeah, I did too. Dude's a genius, and I could tell he was working. You know, it's a small, the joke they'll just stab in there i loved the rhythm of it yeah i did too dude's a genius and i could tell he was working you know it's a small hundred cap room so like when comedians do that i feel like they try new shit out more and right i love that because like you know not all of it's hitting yet because it's like new but you can be like oh that's going to be crushing in like three months yeah yeah and you know i've i've heard his what he's working on

you know he you know us out on shows. And when I used to back up his band and stuff, I like to hear what his new stuff's all about. I liked it a lot. I really like how he can keep it light in a way. He doesn't really talk about politics or, you know. At the end of the show, you can tell probably how he thinks about things, but he doesn't tell you.

No. I think he's a genius honestly i do too shout out to todd glass and he's like a fucking great guy he's he after this episode that comes out in december he is the most interviewed guest on the show for good reason yes because he's always great it's always i've never seen a guy talk that long without stopping it'd be interesting he did a 40 minute rant on cancel culture and it's like a good rant though it's like i was like positive and like no one's gonna be mad at it yeah yeah um he was like i hope you know you're gonna get a lot of people getting turn off turned off on this i'm like my

fans don't give a shit we talk about cum in the first two minutes yeah we got amanda shires on the show hell yeah i don't know much about her honestly she's badass she's a great songwriter national player nashville she's married to jason isbell oh yeah yeah i love that guy on twitter is on the show. Hell yeah. I don't know much about her, honestly. She's badass. She's a great songwriter, fiddle player. Nashville. She's married to Jason Isbell. Oh, yeah, yeah. I love that guy on Twitter. She's putting out a holiday record, so we're going to,

you know, they put out holiday records before Thanksgiving. It's a good time of year to put out a holiday record, like right on November, December. How's the tour been? It was a good week.

Hold on. What'd you say? You're laughing at your own joke. I don't think you caught it. You want to put a holiday record out around the holidays. Maybe I'll drop a Christmas record in March. I asked her that.

I'm like, how weird is it to record? Because you've got to record a year in advance or six months in advance. You're recording it in June. My old man made a holiday album once. Where? In the heat of July? Yeah, you make it in july and it comes it's really awkward yeah to make it you're like we do all these remixes of famous christmas songs it was cool i love it she's awesome she i was kind of intimidated by her

because she's really smart and she's really quiet but when she talks it's fucking it's strong words quiet people are the ones those are ones that are most intimidating to interview because you don't know if you're fucking up. They're thinking. They're thinking before they do it. And that usually comes out better. I wouldn't know. Us is just like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I have so many thoughts in my mind.

Let me tell you how I feel. I'm a catacomb of emotions. This week has been fun. Oh, yeah. Birmingham was light, but it was fun. It was a good light. Yeah. Good kind.

Light crowd. We knew that was coming in. Coming expected. It's a Wednesday in Birmingham, you know? You know, that's the thing. You know, it's like, I used to be bummed out. That could be a country song. Wednesday in Birmingham.

Wednesday in Birmingham. Go to the Buc-ee's. Buc-ee's is fire. Asheville is a blast. I like that town. Dude. It's a perfect mixture of like, it's just hillbilly enough, but it's not that hillbilly, you know? Although they had that fire going.

I didn't like that. Hold on. Andy Avila. Beats. Beats. I want to talk about the COVID thing. He had COVID. I want to see how he did. You might not want to talk about the COVID thing. He had COVID. I want to see how he did.

He might not want to talk about it. No, he'll talk about it. He'll talk. He'll talk about anything. I feel like he's the best guy from the band on the podcast. What do you think? Andy Avila, come up here. Dude, but Asher was a blast.

I'm just kidding. They're all great. No, you can talk that shit. I'm just kidding. He just likes it the most, I think. No, it's been good. I'm really excited about all the shows. We only have two more weeks left.

I know. Then what? We'll just never see each other again. I hope not. No. You think that's going to happen? We got to do the podcast. Every week.

People like us too much together. We're thinking, I don't know. People like us together more than we like us together. Yeah, everyone's like, where was Nick last week? I'm like, I'm not going to have Nick talk jokes. I'm not going to have Nick talk jokes when we're talking about mental health and depression. Exactly.

It's like, what the fuck? Nick Gerlach cannot be the opening to a suicide podcast. That's the opposite of what I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. But what else is on the plate today? What are you doing for Thanksgiving? Oh, nothing.

I don't really do Thanksgiving. Really? Why not? I'm not going to celebrate colonizers. Oh, my God. Jesus fucking Christ. No, you're not. I know you have these rants.

What's your rant about Thanksgiving? My thing is I just don't really care about it that much, and my family's really all over the place. We don't really do it. But Julie's your family. Yeah, I'm going to hang out with Julie. What are you going to do? Like order Chinese food?

We'll probably just eat a bunch of food and watch some movies. Do you cook? Like what is your Thanksgiving? No, no, no. So we have done this in the past where we eat Thanksgiving, just us two. But we like get it from a grocery store, like pre-made shit. Really? Yeah.

They have like a pre-made Thanksgiving? You can like pay 80 bucks and they give you like Thanksgiving dinner for two and it's like turkey. Why isn't everyone doing that? That sounds amazing. Because some people like to cook their own food because they're amazing cooks and they're not like liberal douchebags and never learned how to cook. Like myself?

Because they're trying to be a musician their whole 20s. Oh, shut the fuck up. I'm making fun of myself. I can't cook. You're better cooked than I am. I've never cooked. You've never seen me cook. You've never seen me cook?

I bet we're like equally bad. I can't cook anything. I could make a bomb pork loin in the air fryer. Air fryer I can do, but anyone, that's the point of an air fryer is that you just put something in there for 15 minutes and it's good, right? Oh, fuck. I'm a terrible, terrible cook. I've never been good at it.

Even if I tried, I think I would only get up to like medium. Some people are just gifted with that and I'm not one of them. Hold on. I want to go back to this insomnia thing. Are you depressed? No, it has nothing to do with depression. It's just insomnia. What is it?

What are you thinking about? It's not that. I just, my body can't go all the way asleep or something. It's just like, I can't get past that barrier where you... But you feel rested?

No. It's the only time I get anxiety. Is when you can't sleep all night. Yeah, you get like that feeling in your chest, you know? Oh, I hate, or the knees. For me, it's like only time i get anxiety is when you can't sleep all night yeah you get like that feeling in your chest you know oh i hate or the knees for me it's like right here oh you know i'm talking about the anxiety in your heart you're like oh god then you like start thinking about if i fall asleep right now i can still get three hours and that don't do that that's the worst it fucks you up that's why edibles help sometimes these uh whoever gave us these mushrooms this week the bag i have i've kept on my piano for

a week yeah are so strong if any police officers are listening do not pull over our trailer there's no mushrooms in it inside of the organ um there's they're so strong that i get that anxiety i can't sleep all the way so i have to go on my phone for an hour that fucks you up more kind of it's fucked i fucked. This is why I can't do cocaine. This is why, like, the people who do blow all night. Dude, there are people

that can do any kind of upper and just go to sleep. I don't get it. I don't under-fucking-stand it either. I have a friend that, like, I know that likes to do cocaine.

I'm not going to say their name. I have seen them do a line of cocaine and go to bed. What? That's almost... They don't even do cocaine that much,

but, like... Even... The music industry is just filled with garbage people when I used to like pop Adderalls and shit and just eat Adderall I would get the worst anxiety the next day Adderall is not the drug for antifresco no because I'd smoke like I don't know

a pack of cigarettes in like five hours that shit is really good for me it makes me very focused have you ever snorted it? no no five hours. That shit is really good for me. It makes me very focused. Have you ever snorted it? No. No. Is that illegal to snort Adderall? I don't think so. How would they prove you snorted it?

I don't know. They'd have to be seen snorting it. They can't tell, like, oh, it's in his blood this much. He must have snorted it. Oh, man. We were in Berlin. What? We were in berlin i thought you said birdland i'm going to berlin for three weeks in march for what i don't know i just booked myself a vacation i thought you guys were touring over there or something no uh in may or late april but i'm just i had three weeks off and i was like i had all these miles you end up having to work

i gotta cancel the flight okay but I just wanted to book in now. It was like I had a couple hundred thousand miles on my United and then I had... Oh, you use United that much? Yeah, I use my Sapphire card a lot. Oh, so you don't fly to United, but you have like a United credit card. That's where you get the miles.

It's Chase Sapphire, so you can put them anywhere, but I put them in United. I'm finally in premier class. Let's go. I don't really use credit cards. I'm a traveler, baby. I don't use credit cards. I don't know all that. I should probably get a credit card where I can build points like that. They're kind of scary. I don't fuck with credit, man. I'm intimidated

to open another credit card. I only have one credit card. I have a total of $400 in credit card debt. Oh, I got about, I don't know, $6,000. That's not bad. Especially with the kind of money you make. That's nothing. You make a living, is what I't know, $6,000. That's not bad. Especially with the kind of money you make. That's nothing. No, but it's still... You make a living is what I'm saying.

$6,000, you make a living, you don't have kids. The first 10 years of the band, I remember putting my first record on a credit card. Oh my God, what a terrible thing to put on credit. It was the stupidest fucking thing on the planet. I would have beat the shit out of you if I knew you back then. Oh my God, I had fucking... Why would you do that?

It's like putting a credit card on a credit card or something. You know you're not going to make any money on the first record. I have an idea. Okay, so this thing that we're not going to make any money on, let's also put 25% APR on it because you're probably 21. You probably had terrible credit then, right? You probably had a terrible rate, right?

When I did Back to the Berlin Story, and we, they like, this is when I was really into coke and shit. They're, they had, they like speed out there. And you can just buy speed. They like to listen to fucking black metal and fucking speed out.

They're all like. And speed is way crazier. Just the aftermath of speed. If you do a bunch of it, you have that weird... Are you talking about not cocaine, like a different thing? Yeah, like when you're snorting Adderall

versus cocaine. That's meth almost. That's like more of a meth speed. All of it is meth. No, there's a difference between cocaine and meth. It's methamphetamine and amphetamine. What do you mean? They're like cousins, basically.

I don't know enough about it to go into some detailed thing about it, but they're not exactly the same thing. But Adderall is closer to meth than cocaine is. Like, real cocaine is fucking tight. I'm sure it is. I live in Denver. I wouldn't know.

There's no cocaine in Denver. Guys, if you live in Denver, let me tell you this. You're doing too much cocaine. Guys, cut it out. Like, let me tell you this. You're doing too much cocaine. Guys, cut it out. Like, this is ridiculous at this point. What do you mean? It's just becoming this thing. It's like everyone just has cocaine.

They're all just doing cocaine everywhere. I thought that was ketamine in Denver. Oh, that too. Well, ketamine, what do you think about ketamine? I've never done it. I tried ketamine for the first time. My homie um i won't say the name but all right he had a prescription for it and he had it in this like

liquid and you snorted it it's like but it was prescribed to him and i was like i mean it has medical it's probably better for you it was it was nice it felt good but it was too the right away when it that that medical grade shit right right away, I was at a bar. And you know it's clean, though, if it's medical. I mean, I don't know what shitty, because it was the only first time I did it. That was my shoes. Oh, wow. But I was at the bar.

I'm like, whoa, how do people fucking function on this? They just go to shows and just like, fucking just like, I couldn't do it. I'm a control freak, and I need to be in control. Do you? Control freak? But yeah, just the hangovers from all that shit. I can't do anymore. I'm too old for that shit.

I just never liked hangovers. Even in my 20s, that's why I'm not like, I don't like to drink that much. Too much. Really? I guess I get a hangover from, no. People say they didn't get hungover when they were 22, but that's, I disagree. like I don't like to drink that much too much. Really? I guess I get a hangover from. No, people say they didn't get hung over in their 22. But that's I disagree. I think you guys did get hung over, but you just didn't have a life. And you didn't have shit to do the next day.

So it didn't bother you as much. Todd says he never had a hangover. I kind of believe that with him, actually. Why? Just he's just well, first of all, he's like really healthy. It seems like. Yeah. You know, he's in shape and that helps.

If you're healthy, you don't get as bad a hangover. So just his energy, his natural energy level is insane. When I'm day drinking, I get, and it's like 5 PM and I've been drinking all day. That's when I start getting anxiety because I need to have like a clock that it's nighttime for my body to wind down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

If I drink for like, I don't know, three days straight. Yeah, you like to sleep at nighttime. Yeah, if I drink like all day for like three days. Like when I'm on vacation, or when I get back from tour, I normally do like a three-day bender right away. You do? Oh, yeah. That's awesome.

Just fucking drink all day. If I drank, that's what I would do. I have a different bender. My bender is like watch every TV show, play PlayStation, smoke weed, eat terrible food for like a day. Yeah. That's my bender.

When I feel like I got to the weight that I feel comfortable in, I just... 145. 149. Six quads or some shit. I just start binge eating.

I'll eat a whole pizza. Hell yeah. I'm like, fuck, I just lost all that weight. A lot of medical professionals say that's really healthy to starve, starve, starve, and then gorge, gorge, gorge,

gorge. You want your diet to be peaks and valleys, people. Keep your body guessing at all times. It's really good for your stress levels and anxiety. Also, try to drink as much as possible and do cocaine and then wonder why you have anxiety, people. Denver.

You know what helped me with my... Lay off the blow! You heard it from the source. In moderation! Hold on, but seriously, though. Denver. You know what helped me with my... Lay off the blow! You heard it from the source. In moderation! Hold on, but seriously, though, like, I didn't know that... I guess you're right. Yeah, Denver... Oh, no, it...

I'm not saying zero cocaine, but Jesus Christ, it's Wednesday. You know what I did here? That they tested the water in Denver. It's got blow in it? It's got blow in it. Wow. Okay, I might be back in there now.

Because that's badass. If you're going to go hard, go hard like that. That's crazy. That is pretty crazy. I'm going to take the filter off my jug now. That means a lot of people are peeing out their Coke. Yep. That means we're drinking pee.

What a great opening for Amanda Shire. She's like, I am never doing this fucking show again. Nah, we're fun. You're going to have a good week? Probably. You're going to have a good week? Probably. You're going to miss me? Nah. Why?

Because I've seen you every day for like a year, bro. Nah, come on. Stop fighting your feelings. Somebody actually at the show that it was like, tell Andy you love him. From the crowd, yes.

I love it. People are really getting all the inside jokes now. Yeah, everything's an inside joke. It's all a joke. Hold on. I'm going to get... Floyd!

Floyd! Come up here! Young Fleazy! Floyd got wasted. Dude. I've never seen him like... He got kicked out of the bar last night. For falling asleep.

Oh, yeah. You guys went to that after hang. We went to the after bar. Yeah, I heard about it in the van. He was falling asleep and then got kicked out. He's like, your boy can't be sleeping at the bar. They went to this private club with the people that work there. And then they called him, and then they took his drink from him,

like no more, and then I was wasted. I'm like, and I gave him my IPA, and I'm like, just walk that way and get the fuck out next to the bar and just drink by yourself in a corner. Honestly, I mean, I'm on the bartender side. Yeah, I don't like that. You can't have people fall asleep at your bar. That sounds almost like illegal. Or like he could get in trouble.

I never drink with Floyd. He always drinks with like Sean and them. I don't understand. I don't think I've ever seen him take one sip of alcohol in my life. I don't think I've ever seen him. I never see him holding it. I will drink a fucking 12 pack of IPAs. I don't think I've actually... Floyd? I never see him holding it. That guy will drink a fucking 12-pack of IPAs. No problem.

I believe that. Easy. I'm not saying that. I'm saying I never actually see it happening, though. Yeah. I never see a drink, and then all of a sudden, he's hammered. Every day. And just like, where the fuck did that happen?

Space. You're just like over here like... Time travel. With his headphones on. Maybe that's the halftime. One-minute interview with Floyd. Yeah, we got him. All right, good.

Oh, my God, it was so funny the other day. I was like, we're going to interview Floyd. And you're like, we did that last time. I was like, no, that was Chris. And I was like, holy shit. This guy just thinks of people. It's like what slot they fill in his life. No, he's the blue finger.

He's the finger on the left arm in the Voltron. That was funny when I told your new friend. What's her name? She works. I don't want to say what she works she was there when we did the dog glass podcast oh phyllis i was like you're in voltron now oh she was pissed about that she helped paul you know what that's that's how you know it's true she's a good girlfriend love mine she's like i don't hook up with her no i know i like her you're right about the voltron she's dude you don't that's the thing you're in voltron if you don't hook up with her. No, I know. I like her. But you're right about the Voltron. Dude, that's the thing.

You're in Voltron if you don't hook up with Andy. No one that's sleeping with Andy or has ever slept with Andy is in Voltron. That's the point. So stupid. That's correct. Am I doomed? No. Maybe I need to have an asexual... You know how I know I'm right when I say she's part Voltron?

Because she got mad when I said it. Why don't you explain the Voltron? I've done it before on here, but it's been a while, so we can bring him back. So here's the thing with Andy. He doesn't have a girlfriend. He's scared to have a girlfriend or whatever. You've heard about this a million times. Blah, blah, blah.

So I have this theory, okay? He collects these people, and he's like, well, girlfriends do provide things, right? Outside of sex. Andy doesn't understand that, but it's a thing. So he's like, shut the fuck up, man. So what he does is he... Voltron is a popular cartoon character where a bunch of robot alien things form a bigger robot. So what he does is he piecemeals a girlfriend

out of different friends he has. So he has one that gives him a ride to the airport. Breanne. See? He can even name who it is. I set you up perfectly. And then there's, you know. Someone I watch basketball with, Phyllis.

Yep, she's new. And then she also, like, you know, she's like a, she helped you set up the podcast. Yep. Snack trays. Yep. Very Voltron.

Very Voltron. I would argue that there are men in Voltron, too. Scott Morrill may be in Voltron. Scott Morrill. He may be the intimacy part of Voltron, which is weird. I go to his house to get a little intimacy. I think you do.

That's like your warm relationship. I love Scott. Scott's a good man. Everybody loves Scott. Schwartz is part of Voltron, maybe. I don't know because it's like, I don't, not because he doesn't fulfill a role in your life,

but more because he's your man. It's like more of a business thing. Yeah, he's a boss. You can't be in Voltron. Rachel. I would argue that Rachel's more in Voltron than he more because he's your man. It's like more of a business. Yeah, he's a boss. You can't be in Voltron. Rachel. I would argue that Rachel's more in Voltron than he is.

Rachel's Voltron. Part of Voltron. Yeah, I like Rachel. She's fun to email with. Oh my God. I talked to her. I like her because she doesn't...

Two sentence emails. Here's the information. Have a nice day. I love that shit. You know, Schwartz gets a lot of credit, but we need to give credit to fucking Rachel Miller.

Yeah. Our other manager who fucking deals with me every day. When Schwartz's like, nah, I'm not answering So fucking Rachel Miller, our other manager, who fucking deals with me every day. When Schwartz is like, nah, I'm not answering So here's the thing with managers. Here's the thing with managers.

There's the manager, you know, the guy, and then they all have their little day-to-day minion that actually works their ass off, you know? Yeah, but Rachel's not the day-to-day minion.

She's an actual manager. Well, there's actually another, yeah, she's an actual manager. We have another person that does that. You're right. Rachel is a fucking bad bitch. Does she manage other people too in the thing yes okay his golden messenger um so she's kind of more like an assistant manager she's a legit manager the

other person's yes i'm saying but oh she's like on the same she's on the same tier as okay i think maybe when i first came around she wasn't or she did she get a promotion or something um maybe then there's that guy too he's like more like the day-to-day guy, right? He's the day-to-day. What's his name? Ben. I like him, too. He's cool.

Nice guy. He's a good guy. Yeah. So, yeah, Voltron is... Brian's good at hiring. Yeah, because I get so nervous after I have sex. I have the sex. What the hell did that come from?

What are you talking about? We're talking about Voltron. Oh, the Voltron. Yeah. That, like, I rather have... You get nervous right after sex? Right after. The most calm time in a man's biological existence? I gotta smoke

like five cigarettes. Weird. The worst is when we have sex the night. We? Like me and... You made it sound like we have sex. Like if I have get intimate with someone and then I'm with them for like three days it's always that

morning when i wake up and i'm not i'm just so yeah you're scared of having a girlfriend that's because you're like i'm my trapped here can i is she in love with me am i gonna no it's more of like what do i do now yeah the same thing and like do we watch tv like she's not is she gonna like me for who i am oh yeah you definitely if you ever get a girlfriend you definitely need a girlfriend that's like has a career yeah not someone's gonna like watch tv with you all day because you don't have to do that i know but it sounds fun it's so fun to watch tv with someone that sounds i understand then do it no one's telling you can't but you're not going to because it's not like you're not allowed to it's just how you're wired but then i'm worried about maybe you

should learn to take a little break once a week and just watch some TV for eight hours. I do. I do that on the... I finally... After the bender, when I go on that three-day bender when I go home on trips... Make it a two-day bender, you know? No, then I'll watch the fourth day.

Well, no. You're right. Make it a two-day bender. Then I'll work the fourth day, and then I'll just obsess and work too much. And then the fifth day, I watch television all fucking day. Yeah, I love it. I love TV so much right now.

Secession is so good. We're in the golden age of television. We really are. There's so many good shows, and they're so accessible. It's not... Man, all these networks are like... Like, I looked at The Tonight Show had 800,000 viewers one time. Oh, my God.

That's so low dude that's lower than like twitch stars playing fucking video games exactly that's lower than like chrysler's podcast or whatever most podcasts i've been listening to cigar and all them they get they're in the millions right every time right and that's what's so funny is like did you see this snl thing with like a tim dillon snl kind of going back and forth this week. Okay. So SNL did a skit about Joe Rogan. I haven't seen it yet. Apparently it was like people were mad at it, not because it made fun of Joe Rogan,

just like it was kind of hack, I guess I haven't seen it yet. So that's just, I'm just saying what other people are saying. And Tim Dillon was one of them. And Michael Che kind of like clap back at him. He's like, you're not even a comedian.

You're just part of the media. And Tim Dillon's like, I'm not, I'm way, you work for NBC. I have like my own Patreon. Like how is he part of the media? You know what I mean? He had it backwards, but he, I mean like, it wasn't that deep.

Like he still likes, he was like still cool with Michael Che, just like, I don't know. People were attacking his show, I guess. And he got defensive. He's funny though. They're both funny. I would love to continue this, but you hear that kick drum? Oh, yeah. That means I gotta

go to soundcheck. I hate soundcheck so fucking much. Anyway, a lot of good TV out there. I hate soundcheck so much. I hate, I don't, because it's just my shit. I hate sitting there and just waiting my turn. You know who else hates soundcheck? Adam Deitch. I love that about him.

It's like pointless half the time. My soundcheck I like. It's me. That's half the reason why I hired a sound guy. So he could do my soundcheck. And then when I say that publicly, Schwartz will hear this and call me like, you got a soundcheck. You guys got to sound great. What does Schwartz know about a soundcheck?

You don't have to soundcheck that much. You need to be up there at the very end to check your shit. You don't need to sit there while they pound kick drum. I know. It's not called Andy Beats in the UN. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I'm sorry. Hold on. Before we... We could do that

at the closing. Closing? We got to talk about... I love when we come back for the closing and it's going to be the same drum beat going and we're going to act like it's after the... I know. Talk about Repsy. The magic of podcast the... I know. Talk about Repsy. The magic of podcasting. What?

We got to talk about Repsy, and we got to talk about the tour dates at the end. You go. Go. I won't do that now, because we're already fucking 35 minutes in. Hell yeah. We're getting so good at just talking for a long time.

People are going to be sick of it by the end. Nope. No? Way too interesting. So we might do this every Thursday. What are we doing? We might do a podcast. We're thinking about... Okay, maybe we should see if people want us to do this. All right. Message So we might do this every Thursday. What are we doing? We might do a podcast. We're thinking about, okay,

maybe we should see if people want us to do this. All right. Message us if you'd like this idea. We'll do our normal Tuesdays. Normal Tuesdays. Talk, 25 minutes, blah, blah, blah. A little organized more. And then on Thursdays,

we'll just have more of a me and Andy, kind of like the green room session thing. Yeah. People like that one. We're probably going to do it either way, but give us some feedback. That got a lot of downloads. Did it?

Yeah. I couldn't believe it. I'm like, ah, like a lot. Like compare, like where in the rankings? Probably. Mid-tier? No, a little higher than that. Like two-thirds?

Two-thirds. That's pretty good considering there was no guests. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to shout out to my co-host, Nick Gerlach. We're building a fan base for you, Big Daddy. Oh, yeah. We got to go.

We got to sound check. Great talking. Huh? Good talking. I'm worried about your insomnia. We did a lot. It was that bad. It's bad, but it's fine.

It's not your fault. I know, but it makes me sad that you're just sitting there on your phone while I'm just snoring. Oh, you were snoring bad last night, too. When I get wasted like that,

that's part of it, but because you like you fell asleep with your coat on, on your back. I should have woken you up and been like, dude, take your coat off, lay on your side. I don't like waking people up, though, because I'm a light sleeper. And when I get woken up, I get pissed. Don't ever wake me up. I love sleeping in all my clothes. So fucking weird.

All right, let's end this. Okay. Enjoy Amanda Shires. And I'll catch you on the tail end. Bye. All right. Next up on the interview hour, we have songwriter, fiddle extraordinaire, Amanda Shires. Hey, Chris, play some of Amanda's new Christmas record.

Amanda's putting out a new record and it's a Christmas holiday record. I had a great conversation with her. She's just so sweet, and she's super smart, and she's got a nice, quirky outlook on life, and I think you're going to really enjoy this interview. We talk it all. We talk depression. We talk what she thinks Christmas means to her.

We talk about the music industry and how she got brought up. I really enjoyed this interview. I was kind of nervous because she's the shit. I really think of her as one of the top tier songwriters. So, ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy Miss Amanda Shivers. I want someone new to hold me. And I want you. I want you.

Gone for Christmas. Well, hell yeah. How you doing? Hell yeah. How you doing, Amanda? Good. How's it going out there? Where are you?

I'm at home in my little office because Jason's in my barn. What's it like living with another musician? It was the only person I've ever lived with. Really? No, that's not true. I did live with somebody before. You know, it's working. That's great.

How long have you guys been together? We've been married for eight or nine years, and then we were going out for like a year but we knew each other since way back in in our younger college days yeah what uh yeah is this like your first relationship you said you never lived with someone before no i i realized i was lying i i did i just forgot that i'd ever lived with anybody else it's's been so long. No, that's amazing. When we stay present, you know, being a musician is like one of the things that I think helps us become so present that we forget that we've had another life outside of just being a musician. Do you mind if we talk about your past life, maybe from when you were a kid out in Lubbock, Texas? You know, in, in Texas, that's where I grew up and I learned to play the fiddle at a young age and was

a, was a side person for, for a long time. I gravitated towards just being an instrumentalist because when I was young, I didn't, I think't i think this is why i know this is why i didn't really have like the vocabulary to express myself so i felt like i was able to do that better with music well did you have anxiety you grew up as a kid or what was i think i had like just your normal childhood traumas moving schools a lot, going through a couple of divorces, not my own, my parents. And witnessing what it was like for my mom as a single mom with two kids and especially for that time period. And yeah, there's not not I don't have anything to compare it to because

the only childhood I had, but it was a good one, but you know. Yeah. Do you mind talking about like, you know, relationships and divorce and whatnot, like growing up as a kid and understanding when you're just learning about, you know, relationships and stuff. How did you process divorce when you were a kid? At first, I think I just, uh, really, I think I just gravitated towards music. Then, you know, the thing where you go back and forth between your parents' houses and all that is, is, is a thing. But as a grownup, I say, Hey, it's not my fault y'all got divorced. In hindsight now, I think about divorce differently because everybody deserves to be happy and I can't picture the two of my folks married right now. If you put a picture of each of them together and just sat side by side, you'd be like, that does not go together. But I do admire the fact that they both chose to be happy and to find their way through that because they were young folks too.

And then it's a strong thing to show a young woman that you don't have to stay in any kind of relationship you don't want to be in for love or money. Yeah, no, totally. Did you feel like as a kid, did you ever feel like resentment of them breaking up? Did you feel like as a kid, did you ever feel like resentment of them breaking up? Did you feel like it was your fault or? I never felt like it was my fault, but I did have that childish hope when I was young that they would get back together. And as the years went on, I maybe a year went on, I realized that wasn't such a good idea. Why was that, you think think you just found out like, they were just not right for each other or you're like,

they're just two different folks. You know, my mom's an ambitious, like creative, artistic person. And my dad is, he owns a business, a flower business, like a wholesale greenhouses and nursery business. And, and what I like to call a hippie and, and, uh, you know, he's a, he's a smokes a lot of pot type of dude. And, um, you know, sometimes it's just, you can be friends, but there's not much past it after, after you grow, you know, it's different when you're 17 than it is when you're 30, you know? Yeah, totally.

So who was more strict, your mom or your dad? Do what? Who was more strict, your mom or your dad? My mom, for sure. but I think that was just because she would work all day, a couple of jobs at a time. And, um, that to keep two girls from getting in trouble, you kind of have to be, I think, or she had to be, especially with, you know, schools and, you know, playing in bands and, you know, did you have a good relationship with your sister?

I do. And I still do. She's going to move to Nashville on the 20th. Really? I'll clap to that. Let's go. Yeah, yeah. Let's get it going. Yeah, let's do it. She's a social worker, and she's got three kids, and I just can't wait.

I haven't got to live near her since high school. Is she older or younger than you? One year younger. She? One year younger. She's one year younger. So did you feel like you were her mom in a sense? My sister? Yeah. No, no, no.

She was a, she's her own, you know, she's her own creature. You know, she does what she's going to do at all times. Yeah. Did you guys ever get in trouble growing up as a kid? I mean, separately we did, uh, not really at the same time. What kind of trouble did you get into as a kid? I got into the kind where, you know, my sister got into the like sneaking out and all that kind of trouble.

And I got into the, like I'd try to have parties when my mom was out of town kind of trouble. I also skipped the last two weeks of high school um and you know those slips where you go out of um like where you go down to the office and get like a slip to go back into class yeah like a hall pass or something that or yeah like like a been absent thing from class but i stole the whole pack they were already all signed. And the lady wasn't in there one day that signs them. And so that's how they caught me and had to spend the last two weeks of high school in, uh, in school suspension. Hold on, hold on. So how did they find out that you had all these slips? You just kept on saying,

I was filling them out and it was working for a while and then the last two weeks that lady was out of out of the office and i was i was just filling them out and they're like she's not here today i was like oh sweet there it was that was it that was awesome too that's so that's how i spent my my last year of high school just Was your mom pissed? In suspension. Was your mom pissed? I took the letters they wrote to my house and threw them in the trash. She didn't know. See, you kind of have this like rebel outlaw.

This was before they would send them on email. So, you know. This is, yeah. How old are you? Are you 30? You said? I think I'm going to be 40 in March. Oh, my God. You look amazing. Looking good. Oh, amazing looking good oh my god like fine i'm gonna clap to that let's go let's go yeah yeah yeah so that's

pretty crazy because like then when you went into music like were you was your mom forcing you to do music or like did you find it out yourself like what what made you want to get in dive into that get in get into the music you mean yeah yeah yeah as a young kid i just i just i've always loved it and i think early on i just felt like i could express myself with it and then um i started joining bands like i joined the texas playboys band and And I think that they liked having me there because I could memorize all the, whatever harmony parts that needed to be done. And I showed up and my shit worked

and I was never a problem. And then I was playing with Billy Joe Shaver, my favorite honky-tonk hero. And we were riding in the car once and I had made this like instrumental fiddle CD to like supplement my income. And he'd noticed it at one of the shows. He said the next day when we were driving to the next show, he said, I saw you had a CD out there for sale with my CDs. I said, yeah. He said, you didn't tell me. And I said, okay. Yeah, I didn't. And he said, we're going to have to listen to it. I was like, no, we're not listening to it.

And we put it in as fiddle music, you know, and there's like three. Like songs where I'm singing, which I only put on there to show that I could sing, should somebody need a harmony singer, blah, blah, blah. And I made them up that way. I wouldn't have to pay royalties. And then he heard one of them and he was like, you got to move to Nashville and be a singer, a songwriter. And I said, oh no, Billy Joe Shaver. I am not trying to get fired here. I love my job. And he was like, you need to go there and be a songwriter. There's no loyalty and side person work and all this stuff. And I said, no, no. I thought he was firing me,

like taking the easy way out but he wasn't and then a year later i told him billy joe hey i'm gonna move to nashville and pursue my dreams of becoming a waitress and that's where i started my artist career here that's amazing so i you know i want to step a little uh little back uh what about frankie what did he teach you about music in the beginning years of like he taught me about um well he learned fiddle from the first recorded um fiddle player in texas uh ek robertson and um i would go to frankie's on the weekends when my mom would take me or wherever and uh he would teach me orally all these songs that or that are

like pre-date songs like faded love and stuff like where they all came from and i'd memorize them and um he started teaching me how to do improvisation he also uh uh taught me what whiskey tastes like at a young age how old were you yeah uh 14 probably or 12 12 or 14 did you ever it seems like it went maybe 10 i don't say maybe 11 because i got my fiddle then i broke it and then went to school and then my mom said i could do fiddle if i paralleled it with my orchestra so your your mom really was really, once she saw that you had this gift in music, she really wanted you to pursue it. And she like made you do all these different things or what? She didn't make me, she would, she would drive me. And, um, she would, uh, if I wanted to do the things or practice and keep doing it, she, um, didn't

discourage it, but she also the whole time made me have a backup plan just in case. Cause you know, young woman in the music business might as well have a backup plan. Isn't it funny? Like it feels like backup plans are just like delayed failing or quitting in your dreams in a sense. I mean, they can be, but I think as, as a parent, it's probably, um, or for, for, yeah, I think it's probably good to have one. It doesn't mean you have to use it, but you could have it there in your pocket because I mean, in 2011, when I broke my finger in this right tendon and all that,

I was like, Holy fuck. They said I wasn't going to play again. I was like, well, good thing I got a backup plan, when I broke my finger in this right tendon and all that, I was like, holy fuck. They said I wasn't going to play again. I was like, well, good thing I got a backup plan. But, you know, it's like in some ways it could for a person that likes to let me back this all up. The purpose of life is to grow. Right. It's all in our nature. Like got a seed. It turns into a flower. It grows. in our nature like got a seed it turns into a flower it grows um same for humans and if you can't find it in your heart to learn about something else and grow in that way too then you might be setting yourself up to fail um because you don't know what's in store for you so backup plans yeah you could say it's a way to squish your dreams but i say that um you could say it's a way to squish your dreams, but I say that, um, um,

I think it's a, it's also could be seen the other way as a way to go for your dreams because if you fail, you still succeeded because you tried, right. And then you've got this other stuff and you don't have to live in your, your, your mom's basement like a fool. So it's kind of like a safety blanket. It's a safety blanket, I i guess but it's just options it's like you know you know when you're going to the store you'd like to take your car but if you go out there and you'd left the lights on all night i guess you're gonna have to to get a horse or find an uber you know no you're totally right i mean

i want to god God, you just, you said so many things there that I want to talk. I know we're going to go back and forth in your life, but tell me about this time in 2011 when you broke your finger. What happened? I was sober and I was rope swinging at my school called Sewanee, the school of letters in Sewanee, Tennessee. It was after class and a bunch of us went down to the reservoir to go swimming and there's a rope swing and, you know, we do that thing and then I get on it. And of course my second swing out into it, the, my hand caught the, the, the knot part of it. And it just, I spiral fractured it and it was a big mess. And it was a

day before I was supposed to play Newport. It was a big mess and it was a day before i was supposed to play newport it was a big mess and i was gonna play that one with justin towns earl that year but i didn't get to instead i drug my soggy ass to the back seat of my friend's car still in my bathing suit over to the little emergency room there and discovered I was going to have to get surgery and reset and all that kind of business. So anyway, what, what was going through your head when you're in the hospital? Oh shit. Justin's going to fire me. And Oh shit. I have a record coming out next week. And it was really sad. It was, it was, it was hard. Cause when I had, they had to reset it, like not immediately,

it took days to get that appointment, but I was going to school. This was during when I was going to school for my master's in poetry or my MFA, I guess, but they put the cast on and I couldn't even type. I couldn't even wash nothing. I mean, I could, it was just not very good. I had a standard car and I couldn't, it was hard to hold the steering wheel. It was like a ball the way they did the cast. So kind of was like, like I said, you just never know sometimes. Yeah.

I should have had a backup car. Okay. So they really told you that you might not be able to play ever again? Yeah. When you heard that news like what was going through your head like i was like well jango still played and billy joe shaver still played and a lot of people got fingers cut off or missing and they still played and now it didn't heal 100 so sometimes when the synapses fire my brain fires to tell it to play. It doesn't always want to move. And I just call that my blue notes.

Oh, that is, that's insane. So how long did you rehab for? Were you playing during? I started playing before I was supposed to. Justin would put like a champagne bucket full of ice and I would shove it down in there and then, you know, try to get the swelling down. Uh, I guess it was about three or four months after surgery, I started playing again. Oh my God. Not very well, just, you know, kind of trying.

And you kind of had to like, yeah, it's like this fear of getting fired. I mean, like, this is the second time you said like the fear of getting fired. Like, do you always feel like you're going to get fired? Hell yeah. I always feel like I'm getting fired. mean like this is the second time you said like the fear of getting fired like do you always feel like you're gonna get fired hell yeah i always feel like i'm getting fired why why i mean you uh billy joe shaver is a person that that has shot a man in the face you know um and also uh artists in my experience artists can sometimes just decide to fire you just because they're annoyed that day. Yeah. I don't know. But also having an income and like being able to take care of myself is super important.

So the idea of getting fired would just really add more shit for me to do in the day. Like, how do I make a new resume? I really don't want to start you know the thing where you get fired and you're like starting something over again it's like i don't want to go through the newness shit again yeah i mean that that's the hardest part of giving up and plus if you really love playing with somebody and you love love wherever your place is at the moment in time. The last thing you want to do is, is put the thing you love in jeopardy.

I think so. Luckily I, I didn't work with a bunch of assholes and, um, and they forgave me for breaking my finger. It wasn't my fault, but it was. Was it ever like scary? Just like, you're just, you hear these stories of Billy Joe joe and like you know being in his band like you ever see him just get angry and like oh shit that could be me oh yeah yeah i did um he also would um uh drive in his car with the two of those police radar detectors in each side pretty fun what what's what's the what was like the scariest situation you've been

in with billy joe well billy joe oh nothing too scary for me in that way um i mean he he's um he's of course my hero but he he did he would stand up to somebody you know hecklers or or or or if somebody was like trying to not pay him he would he would say something but there's a there's a little twinkle in in his eye that he would get and you'd know yeah that is and the twinkle followed by the you know he's a barrel chested guy. Just know, just, you just know, but no, I, I, I, I'm good at staying on the good side. That's good. I mean, how'd you know, Billy Joe was your hero? Like, when did you find out about him? Like, how did this all come into fruition?

Well, you know, have you ever heard that record honky tonk heroes? Oh yeah. Well, um, if you look at that and then the story behind all that, about how he made, made all that happen and, and, um, the insistence that he had on, on making Waylon do what he said he was going to do. Um, I don't know that, that, that there's that aspect of it. And then there's the songwriting, which I think I would say is first. And what'd you like about his songwriting?

Did it. It's, it's, it's, um, it's poignant and simple and super complicated and full of emotion in, in, in a, um, and very home connected, I think. And there's not very many people that can, that I've seen that can write a song like Georgia on a fast train or I'm going to live forever. Like, like everything he wrote, he really meant it, you know, wasn't like, I'm going to sit at

my songwriting job and see if I can turn out some kind of song. It was his experience and really beautiful. I just, that's what it is. Yeah. And like, you know, it's funny. And then there's rowdy ones too. It like shows all that, like the sides of kind of like what it is to be human at different points. You know, it's not always just sad and it's not always just a party and it's not always angry. It's all the things.

Yeah. And do you feel like going back to you with your life, do you feel like you need all those things to have a balanced life? Do you mean feelings? Yeah. I think every person in the world has feelings. So I would go ahead and say, yeah, I think we need our feelings. Otherwise we'll just be numb to something or, or pretending a lot. Yeah. And you know, cause I think I've, I've been in a bunch of these like Nashville writing sessions with dudes who

like are amazing songwriters. But like you said, it's like this, like they're in for two hours and then you have to write a song in two hours and stuff. Do you feel like that loses the feeling? It depends. I think it's like when you do songwriting sessions and stuff, you find the people eventually that you like writing with that, you know, and you got to kind of figure that out with trial and error. Like I love writing with Natalie Hemby and I love writing with Brittany Spencer. And those are those two folks. You can go, you skip the surface talk, like all that

sure we've been like, or whatever, and you just start going into the emotions. And I think if you get with folks that, that you have that kind of connection with that you can go to the same same level or close to the same level of depth at the same time it's um really good and fun and powerful and it's it's less it can be less um sometimes it's easier on myself to to write a couple of songs with some friends and things that i want to write about and it's fun because sometimes when i write by myself i'm like oh my god why am i gonna i really don't want to do this but you have to because it's like your own therapy.

So it makes the therapy easier. Let's like go into group therapy if you find the right person. At a young age, did you ever like go through therapy or did you have a therapist at a young age or did you have to like learn your emotions by yourself? I think that wasn't a thing like when I was young. If it was, I didn't know about it. When I was young, if it was, I didn't know about it. I think that that's been like destigmatized over the past few years, really, like where where folks talk about their mental health and, you know, go to therapists and all that stuff. But if there if that was going on in the 90s, like, you know you know, I was, I was, I'm a product of, of a,

of a single mom. I mean, I started off in section eight housing, so the therapy wasn't a thing that was really offered. Um, so, uh, if, I mean, unless it was to, I don't know, was it when you were young? You see, no, because I think, uh, I didn't know what anxiety was. Like we didn't understand what an anxiety attack was. So I would just like express my emotions through song, like you were saying and bringing it that way. I guess like that de-stigmatizing the idea of we have feelings and we're not just going to have ups and downs. Really, is it making us better people or is it just like, is being open

making us better? Or is like, maybe some people are like shy and don't really want to talk about how they feel. Right. I think, you know, you just do what's best for you. And then it's also when, when people see other people talk about their feelings, I think that helps folks too, just because sometimes you just need somebody that you can relate to or some kind of shoulder to cry on or whatever. And sometimes you need help sorting out all the, all the things in your brain. And that's only,

that's not always done best with a friend it's sometimes better if you do that with a professional yeah and um i can tell you that i've been getting a lot of joy and fulfillment and um um peace in a transcendental meditation and i recommend that to everyone tell me about that i've been trying to get involved in that. What do you like about it? Well, you have to be taught by a transcendental meditation teacher. It has to be an official one. And they come see you for, you know, an hour and a half or four days in a row. And they teach you how to do it and they answer all your questions. And, um, yeah, it's really beautiful. You do it two times a day for 20 minutes and you don't have to believe in it and you don't have to believe in anything. And it's not a religion.

It's separate, you know, it's a, it's a thing you do. Was it hard at first to like get into that zone when you're learning it? Nope. No, it really wasn't. I think the desire to do it is all or to try it is all it really takes. And then on the TM website, another thing I liked about it is they teach you and it's a sliding scale of, of, of about how much it costs, you know? And so it's affordable and it's something they're, it costs you know and so it's affordable and it's something they're they're doing now with um folks with ptsd uh vets and you know folks with they that struggle with anxiety and depression and

folks that don't struggle with anything at all that just want to get on that unified field and and go past the origin or to the origin of thought and let your mind do amazing things it's um it's really neat like i'm nowhere near qualified probably to talk about it too much yeah length but i will i will say that you can be a skeptic like me and then not be after a while yeah i i got one one more question. Then we'll talk about the Christmas record, which I'm excited to talk about. Um, what made you want to do transcendental meditation? What were you going through in that period of your life that felt like you needed that? Um, you know, a friend of mine recommended it to me and I, and I thought about it for a few

months and I was like, that sounds, I don't, I was like that sounds I don't I don't know I don't even know how I mean like I've done yoga like I can I think I'm meditating sometimes and they're like no just try this it's it's it's gonna help you like um organize your thoughts and and you, you know, have a, have a more even day rather than like ups and downs. And then, and so, so my very good friend told me to try it and I did. And then here I am preaching the gospel. Let's do it. I'll clap to that. Let's go. Let's go, man. I like that. Yeah. I got it. You can do it anywhere. Yeah. That's a beautiful.

I can just start right now. Let's go, man. I like that. Yeah, I got to try. And you can do it anywhere. Yeah, that's the beautiful part. I can just start right now. Yeah. It is halftime at the Andy Fresco interview hour. We have another one-minute interview with Nick Gerlach. Our guest today is our bass player, Floyd Kellogg. Nick, you're on the clock. Floyd, how are you?

Just kidding. Don't care about that. Band had to take a little pit stop today at Moe's Steakhouse just outside Atlanta. Can you tell us what's going on with that? I didn't feel well. Did somebody throw up on the side of the road today? We were having a really good conversation before about music school and stuff. And then you want to talk about puke.

Yeah, I do. What'd you do last night, Floyd? How was last night? What? How was last night? Yeah, what'd you do after the gig? I went and hung out. I heard you went night-night at the bar. What? A little birdie told me. No one's ever fucking fallen asleep at a bar before. This is why you called me

in here. Is Andy enabling you? Because I want him to. I don't know. You guys are boring. I was bored with our hang and I fell asleep. Floyd. First of all, bullshit. Such a fucking lie.

I drank six shots with you at the bar. Floyd, explain this to me. I don't think I've ever once seen you with a goddamn drink in your hand, and then you're the drunkest human being I've ever seen in my life. How does that happen?

I don't know. Maybe I'm just like low-key doing it. Keeping it low-key, huh? Yeah. Anything else? I feel better now. Thanks for asking. Because you threw up.

Yeah. It's good for you. It's good for you. Everyone out there, you hear that? Throwing up is good for you. You're having a rough day, just puke. Now we know.

And knowing is half the battle. G.I. Joe. Especially when we're living everywhere, when you're on the road and stuff, I feel like you really need to find a practice that you could do something like that everywhere. And I think Transcendentalental meditation is perfect for musicians. So thank you for helping destigmatize meditation in a way to get through your day-to-day life. I mean, there's lots of folks that have been

doing it 20, 30, 40 years. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. Let's talk about your Christmas record. You got a Christmas record? Christmas is coming out i know i got i got a couple questions like what's it like making a christmas record in june like when did you make the record you know like it was in june june it was intense because it was like the heat of summer and then you're thinking christmasy thoughts yeah how do you get in the mind of a christmas tongue in in june well the thing is is is I was thinking about the difference in what Christmas would be this year versus last year, the COVID Christmas.

And I was thinking about Christmas music. Because I really didn't have to put up with a lot of that last year. There was no going out, no shopping and stuff. And I was like, crap. It's like, we're're gonna have to listen to Christmas music again there's no there's like not many great Christmas records that I'm not tired of

and uh I was like well you know what me and my grinchy ass self we're gonna write some Christmas songs and um yeah so I started working on it. I had Gone for Christmas. I finished that one and then I finished the Real Tree. And then it all kind of just started coming in a big, big wave. And I knew that I didn't want to do a covers record because we've all heard. Those are still some great songs, but already heard them. Doesn't matter who sings them already heard already heard jingle bells i don't care i already heard it you know i feel that

and i also wanted to do like a thing that with the christmas record that was a different experience and many different experiences at christmas Like the, the thing where you, you have all this family that you're around and they're around for like a week or sometimes three or four days. And really you only need to see them for like half a day, you know, before you get tired of each other and all that. And then, then I was thinking about how every day, how people say every day is Christmas. And I was thinking about that. I was like, you know,

every day around here is Christmas. Always trying to take out the trash, always doing the laundry. The dishes are too much. Something's always burning. There's always Christmas. Yeah. But there's, there, there, there are definitely happy and light moments in the record too, but I just wanted to, to make it seem, make it not seem, I wanted to do something more authentic, like real to me, what felt, what Christmas feelings were to me, I guess. And then I felt like if I did that and then I was happy with it, then there might be people out there that

might feel some of the same, similar things as me. And then I wouldn't have to be alone in my Christmas feelings anymore. Yeah. You know, it's like you talk about the divorce of your parents and stuff and feel like it was such a kind of a burden to go to both places for Christmas. Like, what is Christmas to you? Yeah. a time to chill and eat lots of good food and do lots of good jokes and and struggle with a Christmas tree. Do you like Christmas? I do. There's some things I do like about it and there's some

things i don't i don't like the dragging around of things from the from the closets you know the the picking up and putting away and setting things out and then trying to make room in your house for a tree and then you got to move the furniture. Then you got to take the tree down at some point. Then you got to move it all back around. And I really do like Christmas. I just wish somebody else would come do the decorating. What's the difference between how you celebrate Christmas with Jason versus how you celebrated with your family when you were young?

Um, the difference is, uh, well, don't tell mercy, but we get to be Santa Claus. So what's your version of Santa Claus for your little one? My version of Santa Claus? I mean, Santa Claus likes to come on Christmas day and leave you some presents. And yeah, that's it, really. Are you a religious person? Yeah. I mean, spiritually, yeah. I'm a non-practicing Catholic with the musical tendencies. And do you hear that? Do you hear that in your Christmas record?

I haven't listened to the record yet, but, um, I think there's some, some like, uh, definitely allusions to things and, and, and, uh, you know, there's, there's a slow fallen snow song. That's like a a ghost of Christmas past type number and yeah I mean I think you can hear some of that for sure what was the hardest song to write off the record

that was just the it took the longest time to make longest and the hardest one would be I mean gone for christmas took the longest because i wrote like 45 verses to that and then i had to decide on which ones i liked hold on hold on backtrack 45 verses yeah like i could make another christmas record next year and make another version of that. Hold on. Okay. So now you have 45 verses. How do you,

how do you decide which one is the right one? What I did when I started highlighting the ones that, that made me laugh and that's, that's how I did it. And then I saved the rest for, to think about later. So I just tried to pick out the most outlandish verses for this one. So it's like, is it, how hard is it to like me in the middle of like making a Christmas record that you want to make versus, you know, what the industry wants you to make for a Christmas record?

Or you'd never really think about that. Well, um, the industry never asked me to make a Christmas record, so I didn't ask their opinion. You know, it's like, what do you, I mean, like my question, basically what I'm trying to get at is like, what's your take on the music industry? You know, you've been in this thing for the whole time. I know your husband has some strong views about it. What are your views about it? I mean, it depends on which section of the industry we're talking about, but you know, being independent artists, we don't, we don't have to deal with a bunch of, of, of arguing with anybody about what we want to do. We just make our music

and put it out ourselves. And if we, if, if something went wrong, we yell at ourselves. Yeah. Is there a pressure to make art every year or do you not put that pressure on yourself? I don't put that pressure on myself. This is my first solo release since 2000. And whenever I released to the sunset, that might've been 2017 or 18. And then I did the high women release a little over a year ago, but so it's been that long since I put anything out. How is the writing process for High Women with all those amazing songwriters? It's the best song, Wind. So I started writing for it.

I had the idea for it in 2016. And then we started figuring out who the other members were going to be because i told this idea to dave cobb um and uh then i was talking about the writing with everybody and uh you just write some songs and everybody comes in with their songs and the best songs get to be on the record and no problem because we recorded a lot of songs that didn't make be on the record and no problem. Cause we recorded a lot of songs that didn't make it on the record, but the ones we, that we chose for the record, we all felt were the best songs for the collection.

Is there like a competitiveness to it? I mean, is like, who wants, you want to get the most songs? No, I think we just all really wanted to have, to make the best record we could make and yeah um and we also like accepted outside writing from other folks and all that kind of stuff um because the spirit of the high women is to is is the not competitive thing yeah and and to just you know wander wander through the the world as girls and try to try to make a little bit more space. Yeah. It's beautiful. I think that's, those tunes are unbelievable, man. You

are, you guys are. Thanks. Thanks. We, we really, um, took, uh, a lot of care in, in the decisions and decision, decision-making for it and, and even the subject matter. So that means a lot of care in the decisions and decision decision making for it. And, and even the subject matter. So that means a lot. You talk about Dave Cobb. What did he teach you about making records? Um, that, uh, what did he teach me about making records? Uh, that it's best to first sit around together with your band mates and talk about the song in the recording and and potential musical ideas and riffs before you go into

the booth with your headphones yeah and your pressure on yourself that's what he taught me was it like was it i mean dave is one of the best producers in on the planet like when you're in a studio with him like how does he approach like tracking the tunes and how does he approach you know making everyone every song's the same starting everybody sitting in a circle with an instrument if you feel like playing it along or whatever everybody throws ideas out and um and he listens to all the ideas and then we all settle on some and uh then we go and re-record it and we play it two or three times and then we've got it how long did it take you to make that record the heilemann one yeah we did two sessions um the first one was like three or four days and the second one was probably four or five days that's what we did nine days

yeah let's fucking go that is tight dude yeah so are you are you a type of person like when it first comes in your head you don't you don't overthink the song? When you feel it's good, you just let it into the ether or are you an overthinker? Oh, I write the song and then in the morning, I revisit the song and see if I still like it and if it needs any changes. And if it doesn't, then I make a little video and save it in my phone so I don't forget it have you ever have felt like you wrote an opus and forgot it felt like what you wrote like a great track and you forgot it because you forgot to record it oh no if I did I just probably thought it was meant to be lost that's that's actually and if you if you're a songwriter of course you should be able to write another one. Yeah. What about, what's your philosophy on how John Prine writes

tunes? What do you like about John? John Prine writes, um, like with, with images and with details and with, with things that are, are, um, kind of universal to all to all folks, you know, like picks out items in the room that place you in a place and within the story. That's what he does. Yeah. And he also points out what's wrong or beautiful in the world without you even noticing it. Yeah. What did, did you have a really close relationship with him? I sure did. Um, yeah, I toured with him a lot and, um,

um, you know, swam in a swimming pool when I was pregnant in the heat of summer. Um, yeah, big friends with his, his, his, him and his family. And, um, you know, swam in a swimming pool when I was pregnant in the heat of summer. Yeah. Big friends with his, his, his, him and his family. And yeah, he would have liked this Christmas record though. He had a Christmas tree up all year round. That was his solution. Maybe that's what I need to do. Don't need to decorate for Christmas. Cause just leave it out all year. How did I just now arrive to that? Well, this is why we're talking.

We're having a conversation. What did he teach you about life? That chocolate cake is important. And that if you lose your shoes or if you forgot something, you left it in the hotel. If they don't mail it back to you, you can always find some more. Was he always a guy who lived in the present? Always a guy who?

Was he always a guy who always lived in the present and like, you know, whatever happened happened and we're just going to keep trucking along? I think so. I think so. He was also, um, uh, a person that liked to have fun and eat good dinners and, um, drink a couple of drinks, but not too many. And, um, and he was always very generous with his time and his space and super patient, super patient person. Did he teach you patience? No, I don't know if patience, I wonder about patience, you know, I think,

no, I was already patient, but I, I, I, I can recognize when people don't have it or do have it enough of it. And, um, I don't, I haven't been out of the house much since COVID, but, uh, I bet that's taught some folks some patience. Yeah. You know, I was, I was thinking about that, you know, like you and Jason are always on the move. Like, how was it, how was like the relationship when you guys were stuck in your houses together? Fine. He just does the same thing he does every day. Plays music for eight hours. What about you?

What were you doing? He came out of COVID a better guitar player. You know that, right? I didn't know that. Yeah, he did. What about you? Were you practicing all the time too? Not practicing, painting, you know, just trying to stay busy.

Yeah. That's got to be the hardest part is like staying away from the darkness of our minds when we're staying still. For sure. You know, I just tried to just keep making stuff cause that's what makes me happy. Painting, writing. And it was really odd for, for the music to shut down first and then be the last thing

to reopen. It's, it's a strange thing. Everybody else is, you know, going back to jobs and you're still sitting around wondering what's happening. What did you get good at? Um, I, I got a lot better at my painting i think and um are those your paintings i taught myself i didn't teach myself but i between me and a couple friends i started learning pro tools and recording in my barn and um uh i got i got i'm okay at that but i i'm not

gonna sit there and run a whole session or something. Yeah. What, what do you like about painting? Um, that, uh, that it's, that it's like songwriting in a way, but it's, you don't have to, you can just be, you can just be and not be trying to talk about your feelings. You could just paint and just be yourself you know because songs and poems are there's a lot of internal mining I think that goes on and um painting can be that too but I like what I like about painting is that it's very relaxing and um quiet and uh

and um because it's not my livelihood, I don't have to be good at it. And if I, you know, I don't, somebody don't buy that. It's okay. It's not for sale. Do you think that makes you a better painter because you're it's, there's less pressure of it being good? No, I think only time and trying and, and learning makes you better. You don't just be better because of pressure. And I think it takes like, like with instruments, it takes practice and doing and being patient with yourself to grow. Is that same philosophy with being a mom?

Which part? to grow yeah is that same philosophy with being a mom um which part just being you know like when we get become i'm not a parent but i'm just from what i see is my musician friends being parents is like all of a sudden like damn it's a completely different life it's a completely different mind state like how do you readjust to stay present to be a parent? I think parenting is, um, well, as a mom, um, the whole process after, after the baby's born, it's just a process of letting go and, um, knowing that that person's going to have to walk around in the world. So it's not really your job to be their friend, but it's your job to

be there for them and help them help give them tools to navigate the world on their own. And, um, for me, it's easy to stay present with a kid cause they're always in the present. Yeah. They're not really thinking about what happened last week. present. Yeah. They're not really thinking about what happened last week. Yeah, we are. Yeah. That's crazy. So that with that philosophy, uh, as you teach from you being a mother, do you feel like it's the opposite of how you and your dad were? I mean, my dad were close. Um, he, uh, we still are. He, um, but he, he he you know he lived in the country so it didn't matter he'd be he I would say I'm going outside he's like okay and I would ride the four-wheeler or do you know catch turtles or you know shoot bb guns whatever we needed to do um and then my mom lived in in a in a in this in the town or the city so

you know there's a little bit more rules because you could get you know grabbed or kidnapped or something but out in the middle of the country in the pasture it doesn't matter you're just free go try not to get stitches good luck kid yeah exactly well thank you i know we're running out of time i just want to say thank you so much for everything you're bringing to the world thank you for just uh being light in this music industry and being a fucking badass if i could say oh you're too kind um thank you for having me and i like i like your bubble glass stuff oh thanks yeah this is my house in denver yeah i live in denver that's awesome it looks beautiful oh thank you so much your house

looks beautiful as well um i got one last question before you leave okay um amanda what do you want to be remembered by i'll be remembered for my kick-ass songs. Hell yeah. And, um, for, uh, I mean, yeah, my awesome ear hats.

Yeah, that's a badass hat. Amanda, thanks for being on the show and thanks for everything. Thank you. I appreciate it. Nice to meet you.

Have a good one. Later. You too. Bye. There we go. I appreciate it. Nice to meet you. Have a good one. Later. Bye. There we go. Amanda Shires. Wow. Thank you, Amanda. That was fun. Um, I was very nervous actually. Cause, uh, she is, uh, very, uh, inspirational to my life and her and Jason, um, write just amazing songs and they're like a power couple out there in Nashville. So it was very nice to hear her life and all that good stuff. And yeah, thanks Amanda for being on the show. All right, I'll catch you on the tail end. Now, a message from the UN.

Thank you, man. Driving this road, tainted and lonely Thank you. side with coffee that's fresh like the morning I smile when I walk through the door all it took was just one time to meet her now I'm not a stranger no more

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Waiting on me at the Waffle House And we're back. She is interesting. She's the shit, right? Yeah, and I really like Jason Isbell. Did you talk about him in the interview? I tried. I got nervous. Because I don't, you know, it's like when you're interviewing someone else. He is. Yeah, and I really like Jason Isbell. Did you talk about him in the interview? I tried. I got nervous.

He's funny on Twitter, by the way. He is. When you're interviewing the spouse, you don't want to talk about the husband. That's probably the last fucking thing she wants to talk about. She probably fucking talks about him all the fucking time. She's like, I'm promoting my career here.

Hello? I have my own identity. Maybe Jason will come on the show. What is this, 1954? I'm not just this guy's wife. I have my own thing. You're right. You're right.

Women are people. That's why you got to give everyone... That's smart that you did that then. You know, I'm thinking. I'm not just like... You know, I love Jason Esbel. Is he down the pod yet? And I love them both individually.

Has he done it? No. He always says no. Maybe he will now that she's done it and she liked it. That'd be tight. Yo, Jason. Holla at your boy. I don't think he's an awesome.

I don't think it even gets to him. I think his management keeps him very precious. He's probably way more famous than I even know because I don't know that world. He's really famous. The fact that I even know about him on Twitter means he's pretty famous. He's like country, right? He's like kind of like in that Sturgill Simpson. Americana.

Yeah, like real. Good songwriter. Blue collar songwriter. Like fuck you country. Yeah, like real. Good songwriter. Blue collar songwriter. Like Fuck You Country. Yeah, he's really. He's not like, my tractor and my girl down to Applebee's on a Wednesday night. Get that two for 20. What's that one song?

Applebee's on a. Speaking of country, Repsy.com. Hell yeah. They came in Birmingham. They came to. Yeah, shout out to Tatum, dude. I know. He brought the whole staff.

He did? It was the company party. I didn't meet any of them. He said he was so proud of us. Nice. He was really cool. Give me some gigs, bro. Yeah, speaking of that,

Repsy.com. Go get your band signed up or if you're a comedian or a magician or anything, go sign up with Repsy.com. These guys are great. They come to my shows. You know, they come to my shows.

They call me. They hit me up. They say they come to my shows. You know, they come to my shows. They call me. They hit me up. They say they want to keep doing the podcast stuff because they believe in music and they believe in, you know, musicians talking about it. They're young. They're hot. They're young and hot.

They're not nerds. Yeah, Tandem's hot, dude. Hot guy. Yeah. He's a hot guy. So go sign up for Repsy.com. R-E-P-S-Y.com. This is a different sound check.

This is the next day. This is my life. This is like Twilight Zone. Every day we do a podcast, opening or closing, it's all nothing but sound check. And this is when I finally wake up from my hangover at around 4 or 5. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I try not to really engage with you too much until about 4.30 each day know you're i'm getting good i was getting spicy with you this morning i liked it though you didn't know how tired i was either you were tired now i felt bad being spicy no that's

fun i like doing that shit yeah i never get offended i like to fucking i like to jaw it up a little you know yeah okay all right i ain't scared of you um tour dates tour dates um we canceled one right we canceled kim i'm saying wisconsin i'm sorry we had to cancel kimberly wisconsin i'm so sorry i love you guys i will be back hopefully you came when we were in madison i am yeah i normally don't cancel shows but this has just been a crazy hectic and i i love you we'll come back we'll come are you at least um come back with me all right first. First show of the tour. December 1st.

Washington, D.C. Let me see if I can do it without looking. What do you got? December 1st. D.C. Second. I actually don't know the venue. Union Stage.

Union Stage. It's not on the thing, so I don't look. I just get out of the van wherever we are. December 2nd. Then Philly. All right. Then Brooklyn. Hell yeah.

I'm stoked for that. And then Boston. Then you guys go to holidays. We go to Mexico. I Brooklyn. Hell yeah. I'm stoked for that. And then Boston. Then you guys go to holidays. We go to Mexico. I get to hang out with, I get to see Stasek in a Speedo. This is going to be, that's going to be a fucking hang.

We got matching Speedos. Okay. I'm not sure that, maybe you should try it on on your own before you wear it around. Okay. I got the same one he got. I just,

I don't know if you have the Stasic thing. Oh, it's going to look ugly. He's going to be all hot and I'm going to look like a fucking slob. That guy's 12 years older than you, you know? Yeah. He's got like a hot dad bod. I got the stepdad bod.

Have you ever seen when he wore the Borat? There's a picture of him wearing that Borat swimsuit. You seen that? So good. And then we have a little? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So good. All right. And then we have a little break while you go to holidays and have a hang. I'm probably going to, I might go to Indy and hang out with some homies.

I don't know yet. And then. On the 9th, where are we? We go to Burlington, Vermont. Damn, you have a good memory. And then we go to Woodstock, New York. And then we go to Rochester, New York. That's going to be fucking awesome.

And then we're done. Then it's over. Then it's over. This insurmountable thing that I thought was going to be never ending in September is going that's gonna be fucking awesome and then we're done then it's over then it's over this insurmountable thing that i thought was gonna be never ending in september is gonna be over in three weeks i know it's sad i'm thinking back to my first day in tulsa and it's like wow yeah it's crazy two things one i've gotten way more comfortable with this show that i put together yeah it's way better yeah people are like actually laughing really hard now and the music is better

well you've always been good it's good, but I mean it's more put together. I know where to put stuff. I know what... You know what I mean? I still love how everyone's in disbelief that you're a musician. I can't hear you. What? I still love that everyone says you're in disbelief when you're a musician.

Oh, I know. It's so funny because it's been my identity. These guys are fucking doing the drums again. All right. That's our tour. We got to go. We got to go. Yeah, we talked enough.

I also got dates New Year's Eve, folks. Greensboro, North Carolina, the drums again. All right. That's our tour. We got to go. We got to go. Yeah, we talked enough. I also got dates. New Year's Eve, folks. Greensboro, North Carolina, the 28th. Savannah, Georgia, the 29th. Charleston, South Carolina, the 30th. And then Sanford, Florida on New Year's Eve. That's Orlando, right? It's Orlando.

Yeah. I've never been there. Buy tickets, y'all. Not a lot of tickets. For New Year's? I've never been to Orlando. That's such a weird... And this is the first time I'm in America.

Oh, yeah. You always play in China, right? There's 10,000 people. Buy tickets, Florida. I know Umphreys is playing in Miami. They will. We're on the top of the state. They're on the bottom. Come out. Okay. I love you. Lettuce is also in Miami that weekend. Oh, fuck. Yeah.

And Flamingosus. He's opening for lettuce. We're sitting ducks out here. Okay. Lettuce is also in Miami that weekend. Oh, fuck. Yeah. And Flamingosus. He's opening for lettuce. We're sitting ducks out here. Okay. We're sitting ducks. I love you. Bye. Be safe.

Hey, you want to do a motivational? You got something? Yeah. What do you got? Listen, people. Here come the holidays. Take some time for yourself. Don't get overwhelmed with your family or your job if it gets more hectic this time of year.

Try to just take four hours, six hours a day just for you. Maybe... Hell yeah! Hell yeah! Dude, I'm all about... My self-care is this. Fucking do whatever the fuck I want all day.

Have a great day. Have a good night. Have a great day. Have a good night. Have a great week. Self-care, four to six hours. Four to six hours of me time. Oh, shit. All right, goodbye. You tuned in to the World's Health Podcast

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