Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 152: LP

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

All good things must come to an end, and so it is with heavy hearts that Nick and Andy bid a fond farewell: to tour. To Mexico. To yelling at each other on the daily. Will Nick reveal his true feelings for Andy before the end of the episode?!  On the Interview Hour we welcome Singer/Songwriter and high-quality hang: LP! Do record labels matter these days? Listen in for sage insight. Our friend Lyle sings us a catchy tune. Don't let the doomsdays get ya down. This is EP 152 y'all.  Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Friends (A Song About Friends)" on iTunes, Spotify  Don't overthink it! Stream  LP's new album iamlp.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Lyle Divinsky Arno Bakker

Andy Frasco just checking in on you to see if you're home for the holidays now that your tour is over hope you're safe, call me, talk to you later, love you, bye Andy, it's Nick I just walked into my apartment from tour and I thought maybe I'd give you a call and yell at you, because it's been four hours

listen buddy, we went a little hard those last two weeks of tour with the drinking, didn't we? And we all know what happened in Mexico, but we don't talk about what happened in Mexico, do we? Because we're vulnerable, but we're not that vulnerable, are we? Listen, man, now that you're back, you're going to want to go to basketball games with Jeremy Salkin and go out to dinner with people and ask their girlfriends weird shit in front of them while they're just trying to have a nice meal and catch up. Let's cut the drinking and the partying back, okay? Mushrooms are not a food group.

Let's not age 10 years before we get to whatever giant festival that you're playing that I'm not invited to, okay? Have a great day. This is your father, Nicholas. And we're live. Flights were kind of expensive. Hotels weren't. Really?

Yeah. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. Oh, yeah. We're recording. We're recording, Nick. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. I have my co-host, Nick Gerlach, here, back from tour. We did it. We're recording, Nick. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. I have my co-host Nick Gerlach here, back from tour.

We did it. We're home. We made it. We're home. The bucket survived. Holy fuck. You brought your dog over to the house, too? Keno's here. She's loving it.

She's like, why is he clutch? He wants to be all up in this. He wants to be in this shit. Keno, you want to be on the podcast? Hey, Keno. How you doing, Nick? Doing great. It's been a day since I've seen you. I slept too.

Slept good. I went to dinner with my friend. Went to this place called Cuba Cuba. Have you been there? Is it Cuban food? Yes. Fucking dumbass. No, I haven't actually. We've heard of it. It was bomb as fuck. Where is it? Kind of near, like near my house. Couple blocks. I went to

Merlin's new spot. Oh, I heard that was fire. It's fucking, I mean, if you like Merlin food. It's like Mexican joint? It's like how Merlin does it, where it's like fine dining, but it's like for normal people, you know? Yeah. It's fire, and the decor is sick. He's got like 80s pop culture stuff everywhere. They're blasting hip hop.

They got a whole wall of ghetto blasters, shit like that. Feels good to be back in Denver. Hell yeah. Speaking of that, how's our heads? How's our hearts? How's our hearts? How's my mom doing? I don't know. I don't talk to your mom.

My mom's doing good. Yeah, she lives in California, man. Yeah. One of my sisters is being a real big bitch right now. Yeah? Yeah. The one, which one?

The older one? Older one. Us oldest, we can be a bitch. I know. It's just like this jealousy thing my family gets along we're not very close it's a very british kind of thing like we have our own we all live in different cities we all we convene once a year maybe maybe not even all at the same time i kind of like it that way because there's none of this yeah there's no like we're all mad

at this we all get along you know what i mean we're like oh how's work you know yeah she uh my sister always likes to stir the fucking pot oh she's one of those yeah she's the smart one right she's like the scientist i mean not that the other one isn't smart but she's like she's like the scientist just fucking stirs the pot and like yeah we're not doing a podcast about my sister but she's a bitch one of my sisters could be classified as a bitch but it's more fun it's fun for me. Yeah. She's not really mean to us.

She just kind of, you know, yeah. Well, the way she thinks is going to be what she says. Let's put it that way. Anyway, um, we have LP on the show.

You know anything about LP? Not really. LP is like one of the, she writes for like Beyonce. Oh yeah. I do know this is then massive, massive songwriter. Um, maybe not Beyonce, but like, I, massive songwriter. Maybe not Beyonce,

but like I think Rihanna. Yeah. I'm not looking at my notes, but massive. And then she has her own career and her story was crazy. Like she's been dropped by major labels

and like the same song. That's a good sign you're pretty good at being an artist actually. Yeah, exactly. You get dropped by major labels in the same songs because these fucking major labels don't know what the fuck

they're doing. The same song that they got dropped for, someone else picked it up and it blew up. I'm sort of anti-record label right now. Yeah, me too. I don't think they really help artists at all. They don't. If anything, they just take money from you.

Especially, they're like so un... They don't even do the thing they used to do where... Remember how a record label would sign a band and then they would put money into promoting their tour? And developing them. Blah, blah, blah. Yes. Now it's just like, how much?

We're going to put our name on it and then we'll take 40%. How much can you already sell? Yeah. Can you sell a lot? Because if not, we're not signing you. Well, then what the fuck are you? Go fuck yourself. What's your job then?

Yeah, what are you going to do? You're just a middleman? Just going to piggyback off what I've already fucking worked on? Fuck you. Are they ever going to be able to market you better? I'm clapping to myself. Like in Frasco's case, who's going to be able to market you better? I'm clapping to myself. Like in Frasco's case, who's going to be able to market you better than you can market yourself right now? Yeah.

She had a great point about once you get to the point where you really got to push it through the meat grinder and get to the sheeple. You know, like the people were just like... They have no ideas of their own ever. But always have some feedback on your shit. And then when they do have an idea, it's like, but always have some feedback on your shit.

And then when they do have an idea, it's like, yeah, someone did that three years ago. You just saw that. Or it's like a slightly tweaked version of something that's already been done. Yeah. Here we are, just bitching about my sister and record labels. Go sell life insurance if you're going to be like that. We're supposed to be happy. We just slept.

At least we're not talking about how tired we are from tour and tour and tour. No, I feel good. It's fun to bitch about some shit tonight tour. Yeah. Hell yeah. Speaking of that, how was the tour? Great. It's fun for me.

I know. That was, I just want to say, your little post you posted about. That was good, huh? God, you always save your sentimental stuff tour right before you're about to leave. Bam. I don't have to hear about it. No, you know what pissed me off, actually? What?

It was good to see you be sincere for once. It's like, motherfucker, I am. I don't have to hear about it. No, you know what pissed me off, actually? Someone was like, it was good to see you be sincere for once. It's like, motherfucker, I am always sincere. Yeah. That's honest. So just because you don't like what I'm saying doesn't mean I'm not sincere. What you meant to say was nice. Yeah, I guess so. You're right.

It was nice to see you be nice. Well, it's just the truth. I just say what I'm thinking. Oh, my God. Well, maybe one day. Now you know when I'm thinking. Oh, my God. Well, maybe one day. Now you know when I'm nice, it's more meaningful. So you do love me. Yeah, I love you, Andy.

I saved it for the end of tour. Wow. Wow. Venmo me at Nicholas Gerlach. Wow, you're going to make me cry. I almost said it on stage. It's super low right now. I almost said it on stage the other night when you brought me up to sit in,

but I couldn't create the moment. That would have been funny for the podcast people. Did you ever know that you're my hero? Bette Midler, man. Fucking bad bitch. She's one of the greatest Jews of all time. Bette Midler. Who?

She's got to be number three. Barbara Streisand. Jesus. Bette Midler. Then Bette Midler. Yeah, She's got to be number three. Barbara Streisand. Jesus. Bet Midler. Then Bet Midler. Oh, yeah. Shout out to Bet. Jesus and two female entertainers.

I love Bet Midler. Wow. These last shows, these last three days were insane. Right off of Mexico. You're not my best friend, though. I know. Kip Koplowski or whatever. You're never going to get his name right.

What's his name? Sid Lowski. Kip Sid Lowski. K-I-T. Hey, to be fair, he came to your Dallas show and he really liked your band. Really? He said you guys are like a modern Blues Brothers. I like that. I'll take that. He's a smart guy too.

Shout out to Kip. What were you talking about though? I was going to talk about this weekend, how insane they were. Oh my God, the shows, the tickets. We sold so many tickets in a pandemic. I shouldn't be bragging about that. No, you should.

It's okay. Man, Burlington was lit besides that girl who called me a... Let's not. We can't. Yeah, she was very mean. An anti-Semitic homophobic. She sounds crazy. Literally, she said anti-Semitic word, homophobic word back to back.

Oh, my God. God damn. She got kicked out during my set because she kept trying to yell at me to give you this present she gave me i put it on the ground what was it like a bag of weed i think so it was inside of something so i don't know but i think it was a bag of weed i was like trying to help her too i was like yo yo yo chill like i let me see what we could do but she started calling everyone like homophobic words even the the worst homophobic words the worst ones and like when i say anti-semit, she wasn't saying you're a Jew. She was saying like the words.

Yes. You know what I mean? Yes, yes, yes. Well, I hope we all, you know, just chill out with that stuff. Let's not do that, guys. Let's be nice to people.

I'm never going to call you an Aryan again. Because I'm not Aryan. You're not Aryan. Yeah, so. No, I get it. I wish I was. I'm sorry for calling you an Aryan. I wish I could be, but I'm just not my father.

I'm the beach at D-Day. So you can have a fucking podcast. My great father. Oh, shit. I feel good back in this house. How do you feel? Feels great to be here. How long is it going to take for you to until time off?

I'm feeling very creatively inspired right now. I have some ideas. I want to finish some music. What do you got? Put some shit out. A lot of people have messaged me

in the last few weeks like, I want some of your music, blah, blah, blah. People have been digging the shows. I know, they have been. I need a booking agent.

So if any of you guys are listening. John Bongiorno, if you're listening. Find me a booking agent. Yo, can we have like one of Arrival's other agents? Do you have like one of your

assistants have an assistant? Yeah, assistant. Come on, let's get Nick. I got hard ticket history. I got a great show. People like me. Let's get Nicky a booking agent. Amy will let me promote my shit on here. Yes, I let you do anything you want. I already have a relationship with every festival in the industry. They already

love me. Speaking of promoting. On time. Good looking. What? Speaking of promoting music. Repsy. Hey. Bands. Sign your band up for Repsy. It's easy it's it's it's a win-win

your agents are working their ass off they're working double time because every tour is stepping on each other there's gonna be fucking 20,000 tours next year

all stepping on each other you need a good opener guys you need a good opener sign Nick Gerlach from Repsy.com just click on his his artist profile I should just get on there

you should get on there. I need to, might as well. But they're good guys and you should set them up. So go out there, Repsy.com. Put your band or if you're a comedian, put your comedy profile up there.

You juggle fruit, fucking hula hoop. Let's go. Dog walking. You want to dog walk? You want to fucking sell being an entertainer as a dog? That's actually a funny shit. I am to dog walk? You want to fucking sell, be an entertainer as a dog? That's actually a funny shit.

I am a dog walker. I like open shows. I just walk dogs up and down the stage. Fuck it. Sign up to Repsy.com. It's a win-win. They take a little cut if you don't have an agency. If you do have an agency, they're going to work with that agency.

So please sign up to Repsy.com yo rochester was insane i can't believe that in woodstock i didn't even know that there were people to go to a show in woodstock i felt bad a lot of my frasco fans from mountain jam who's been like 20 shows of mine couldn't get in no they got in they're like i'm disappointing you because they're like you were a little um you're a little tired little uh beat up yeah you were done on soundcheck at rochester rochester yeah you were done dude you were like a it's like a it was more woodstock i was so beat up yeah it's physically tough you took that photo and it went viral yeah it did yeah dude oh the one of you in the bag

thousands of thousands of likes and retweets. You're just eating, staring. I'm just staring at this face. It was a terrible picture, too, but I think that makes it better that it was a bad picture. It's like grainy kind of stuff. Oh, dude. And then look at this picture from Rochester. Do you see that picture of me crowd surfing in Rochester? No. Look at my eyes, dude.

I look possessed. I am so tired, dude. Look at this shit. Yeah, we might need to get you on two-week runs, weekends. Yeah, yeah. Well, next year, it's all weekends. Look at this. Because now you're making enough money, you can do that.

Go down. I can't see it. Sorry. Oh, yeah. Well, next year it's all weekends. Because now you're making enough money you can do that. Go down. I can't see it. Oh my god. Look at my face, dude. Go check out my Facebook. Get off that. I was so tired. I can't do those three and a half month tours. No one really does that anymore. Really?

I mean, not really. Why are we working so hard? Because it's fun. I think we finally paid our dues. I think after this tour, I really feel like we paid our dues. Your dues are paid. It's time. Now you're going to make enough money

to go for four days. People will travel. It's worth it, though, to fucking... I mean, I'm glad I did it. Me too. I would have much rather done that and sit around in Denver and wait for people to call me

to come be a sideman. But I'm stoked. Overall, what do you give the rating of the tour? A plus, baby. Why would I say anything else but that? It was good, right? It would be terrible if I did that. Yeah.

It was good. We met a lot of podcast people out there. Dude, yeah. Shout out to all the podcast fans. Oh, I didn't tell you. I went to the after party in Rochester, and people were talking inside jokes about all the Billy Strings fans call him William Strings.

Because of us? Because of us. Yes. Let's fucking go. Let's go. I love that we're... Dude, I love that. Podcast fans out there.

We're going to take over this shit. I love it. Ruin everybody's life. New nicknames. Oh, man. We got a lot of cool episodes coming up. We have... The Christmas.

The Christmas episode next week where me and Nick and Todd Glass took mushrooms in my house. Three hour podcast. Yeah. Get ready. I don't think I'm

going to edit it either. I don't think you can edit it. I think you guys put it on like when you're not trying to like really just put it on and do some

shit vibe out. If you zone out for 20 minutes, you're going to be fine. You're fine. We're not going to, you know what I mean? We don't think this

is the departed or anything. Put it on with your parents. Keno's chilling now. Yeah, Keno is chilling. She got comfortable. Oh, man. So, tour was great.

I'm stoked. I'm going to, we're going to a lot of games. And I'm going to see you in Chicago. We're going to the Lakers-Bulls game. That's in like four days. Hell yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. You're bringing your girlfriend?

Yep. What are you guys going to make love? Or you have like candle lights? I don't know what we're going to do. Our best friend lives there. You're bringing your girlfriend? Yep. What are you guys going to make love? You have candle lights? I don't know what we're going to do. Our best friend lives there. We're going to hang out with them. We're going to see Saturday night, maybe do something fun in Chicago.

I guarantee you're going to play that fade night. I'm not taking my horn. If you want me to come play with you in Chicago, Venmo me. Yeah, don't ask me to play. I'm not sitting in with nobody. I'm going to take some work. I just got off a three-month tour. I'm not sitting in with nobody i'm going it's gonna take some work i just got off a three-month tour i'm not gonna slink pull the horn out of my sleeve you know

i'm there for three days we're gonna hang out with shoregasm andy westby you'll you'll love that you'll like you'll like hanging out with him i know that guy we're homies already and then i'm going to the bulls so hard at you're going to what i got courtside for bulls rockets i couldn't get courtside for us for lakers bulls i'm sorry i don't give a shit courtside sometimes is like too close for me almost we are hanging out with the owner of the bulls which kind of makes me nervous i already got the warning like please don't wear purple and gold i'm like what if i wore a lakers caruso jersey like that's fine because caruso's on the bulls well um courtside sometimes can be awkward. Have you sat courtside before? It's like you have to want to be

seen a little bit. You'd feel very awkward in there. I'm like jacked up. I'm going to get on screen. Courtside's cool. It's not even the best seat. To me, the best seat's like on the 50-yard line or half-court line, like 20 rows back.

Yeah. Because I like to see the play develop. And then I'm going to New York for a week. Hell yeah. Ari Fink's birthday. Shout out to Ari. He's turning 40. I'm going to be home alone.

Serious XM. 40? 40. He's still at a party. He's having me, the boys from Talk. Thanks for inviting me, Ari. Well, Ari listens to the podcast. I'm just kidding. What the podcast. I'm just kidding.

I'm staying in Brooklyn for a week. Yeah, I got two weeks off. I'm excited. I'm going to be home alone next week. Julie's going from Chicago to Fort Wayne to hang out with her family for Christmas. And you're going back here? Yeah, because someone's got to hang with Keno. Do you have that Fort Collins gig? That's next month.

And then I'm going to dog sit for Drew Burch a little bit, but he's going to let me use his studio all week. Oh, that'd be fun. So I'm going to really crank it out. We got the New Year's Eve run. We have Greensboro,

North Carolina, Savannah, Georgia. Blind Tiger, what's it called? Charleston. Greensboro, not selling that good. Savannah,

not selling that good. Our New Year's Eve show, not selling that good. Why? Because we played in every other fucking town in this country thank god the last show of this big tour was rochester the whole weekend was great yeah the

whole week i would say the whole last two weeks new york boston philly yeah dc was great too right yeah we're starting to pop in the north east it's pretty tough yeah i think you'll be like in the 700 minimum to over a thousand range next time you go through there. I think so too. Yeah. That's why you got to work hard, guys. Yep. Don't let these scary, I know quarantine, I know some of these bands on tour right now listen to this.

Don't worry about it. Everyone, the numbers are going, are not doing that great. Hey, listen, they're all going to start going up though. They are. That's the thing. You just got to work through it. Trial and tribulation. Do I have to play the fucking music?

Whatever hardship you think you're going through right now, people have had it way harder in the past. You're going to make it through this. I know you're in a van driving to fucking to Kipsy, North Carolina, whatever, and there's 10 people's pre-sales. Don't worry. We've all been there, too. We've all been there.

When you come up to Indy Frasco, this man is not lucky. I'm not lucky. No. I worked my ass off. Look into his eyes. Are those the eyes of a lucky man? Look at the pictures from Rochester. Look at my eyes. I look dead inside, but I'm happy. Those are not the eyes of a man who's experienced luck.

Okay? Yeah. I worked my dick off. So that's what I'm saying. Don't worry about your ticket sales. Just go have fun and go fuck shit up. Go fuck shit up. Don't worry. You're going to get inspired from this LP story too. Like LP, badass.

Badass, badass, badass. They rocked it all the way and got dropped, got dropped. Now she's got a big old hit and now blowing up. At first I thought you meant LP from Run the Jewels. Not today when you told me that. Either way, it's badass. I love stories like this where it's like a behind the scenes. They always have a better story.

It's like they grind and I don't know. Oh, also, we should talk about this. We're going to do an award ceremony. Yeah, for the final season finale. Final season finale. Which is what? December? The one after Christmas. The one after Christmas.

The one after Christmas. I'm going to, I'm working up a, sort of like a, look, Kino sees a reflection in the thing down there and she's like, what the fuck? Look, look at her. She's like seeing her reflection. She sees a reflection in Andy's. This dog looks like a, like it had. She looks like a little bear.

Her mom had sex with a bear or something. We'll put a picture of her up on the Instagram post so everyone can see her. Kino might be there. Maybe we should get her drawing on the little thing if she has time she'd be hard to draw actually um emily's gonna be so pissed i'm gonna do an award show for she can take me off and put keno instead if she wants um we're gonna do an award show for the tour i'm gonna do like best whatever green room best this i think it's some funny ones and we're gonna hand out awards i haven thought. What should we call the awards, though? We'll figure that out.

Like the Dundees, you know, but we need like a. It'll be everyone who didn't get it. If you guys have an idea for the award show, DM me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, DM Nick. Or DM the podcast at World Saving Podcast. Yeah, one of those two. And let's get it popping.

Nick. Oh, yeah. We're going to have a great week. I'm feeling good about this. You feel good? Hell yeah. I feel good. I'm going to write some music, finish some music.

Yeah, dude. I recorded my last set the last night, too. Best opener in the business, ladies and gentlemen. Hello, baby. Hello. But you can like more than one band, guys. Yeah. And if you do, go on my website.

I have a cult merch website, and you can get a shirt that says, I like several bands, okay? I have a shirt called, I like several bands. And I also, it's for jam band people. And I also have a shirt that says for the disco biscuits fans. I only like one band. Nick cross colt.com. Go buy some merch for Nick.

Give him, have, let him have a great holiday weekend. Speaking of merch, let me afford Christmas for my girlfriend this year. Guys, we're thinking about doing a Patreon too. Yeah,

I think we should do it. So we're going to do like, what do like what's prefaces with people have been people been talking about me and messaging me and do a Nick and you and Andy podcast only. Okay, well, you're going to have to pay for it. Okay, this shit ain't free anymore. No, we'll

do a half the episode on the free website. We're still going to keep Tuesday with the interviews free. No problem, but if you want to be on video next year We're still going to keep Tuesday with the interviews free. No problem. Do you tell them we might be going video next year? Can we tell them that? We're going to go video next year as well. Yeah, we got a lot of things.

We're going to start. We're leveling up. We're leveling up to be with the big boys. Because I think we're as good as some of them, honestly. I'm not being. I don't want to get cocky yet. Not like the Burt people, but like, you know, down here a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like the AAA. I think we can move up to AAA here. I think so. We're in like the minor leagues. Let's move up to the top. We're like single A right now. Let's get to AAA next year.

Yeah. We got to like invest in ourselves. We got to buy cameras. Yeah, we're going to get cameras. We're going to... It's not going to be expensive, the Patreon. No.

It's not going to be some crazy... It's going to be like $3 a month. It's going to be way cheaper than... Or $5 a month. It's going to be way cheaper. $10, $15, $20. No, it's like $5. It's going to be way cheaper than Apple TV, you know, and they. No, it's like $5. It's going to be way cheaper than Apple TV.

They only have two good shows out there. We're going to give you a Nick and Andy episode every week. Hell yeah. Maybe a solo Nick thing every once in a while we're talking about. We're going to start working on a podcast for Nick as well. I've got a bunch of... That'll be like an extra bonus. Yeah, we're going to build it and we're going to see how it works.

Yeah, it's going to be funny. I got some ideas. Now that I have, I basically am only playing weekends until September. See, the thing where I do my own is going to be easy. I don't need to be here.

I can just make all this content. We can just cut all this shit out. But like what I'm saying is like I could help. No, I'm saying you kind of like all right, take this out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just give me notes.

I have time now to really dive into this podcast. I want to get Drew Burch involved in that one too to help me make stuff he's really funny and we also want to take the podcast on tour we would love to take it on tour we tested it summer camp and it worked tested well people are asking for it yeah it's fun i might do like the markets like the big mark only do like the six there's like six markets that we have a huge amount of podcast downloads yeah yeah but it doesn't need to be a three-month podcast no it's gonna be have a huge amount of podcasts. Downloads? Yeah. Yeah, but it doesn't need to be a three-month podcast. No, it's going to be

like a three-week during the week on Thursdays. Yeah, go out, rent a Honda Civic. Hell yeah. Man, you want a Honda Civic? Maybe one other person, maybe like a tour manager to drive us. Or take Sean. Oh yeah, we might want to take Sean. Shane, you mean? If he even wants to go.

We'll take Sean. We'll take Sean. I don't want to take Shane. Maybe Shane will come, but anyway. Shane might come. Shane, you mean? If he even wants to go. We'll take Sean. We'll take Sean. I don't want to take Shane. Maybe Shane will come, but anyway. Shane might come. Shit. Anyway. We got to cut it down. Oh, 25 minutes. Sorry, Mara.

It's 25 minutes. Sorry, Mara. Okay. Have a great week. LP is going to be amazing. You're going to love this interview. Hell yeah. Nick, you want to close it out with me?

Yeah. Hell yeah. You want to give these guys... You seem happy. I think you're going to give someone a great motivational speech this week. Oh, my God. Let's go. Let's go. Who should I... I'm going to talk to musicians only. Yeah, talk yeah. You want to give these guys... You seem happy. I think you're going to give someone a great motivational speech this week. Oh, my God. Let's go, people. Let's go. Who should I...

I'm going to talk to musicians only. Yeah, talk to musicians. All right, guys. Here we go. New Year's. Okay, you know what that means. It's the holidays are coming up. You know what that means.

Emails are turned off. We're not talking to agents. We're not talking to managers because they're not talking to you. This is the time of year where they stop emailing and phone calling. You know this thing where they shut down for two weeks every holidays? You are not going to talk to your manager or agent for two weeks. Everyone's warned me. My manager warned me already.

They don't do anything for this two weeks. They don't have to work anymore, okay? Even though you're on tour and you're out there flying and driving in the snow, some holiday gig, here's what you're going to be doing. You're going to be writing music. You're going to be getting your show better for next year. Let's focus on next year. This is the time to get our shit together, okay? I want you to all write at least three things next week.

They don't have to be good. Try to write something bad, even. That's a good writing exercise. You ever try that? Yeah. You, like, try to write something bad. Yeah. And, like, sometimes something good will come out.

It's weird. God, you are on fire today, and I love it. Fucking go for it, people. Go for it. And don't worry about what you're booking for next year. Are we on this tier of the festival? Are we going to get on this festival? No one's going to get back to you in these

next two weeks. So don't worry about that shit. Worry about the art side right now because guess what? If you don't have a good product, why are you bothering the person selling it? Have a great week. Bye. Alright, next up on the Have a great week. We'll see you. Bye. All right. Next up on the interview hour, we got LP.

Yes. Badass songwriter. Badass entertainer. Yo, Chris, play LP for me. I'm telling you, they do it all. Really do. We talked about the music industry and how basically they've been dropped

for like five, I mean, five record deals, she said, or three, and a lot of them were majors, and the majors were not giving a shit. And then she blew up on her own, and then the majors came back and started writing songs with Rihanna. Her story's amazing. Just rocking and rolling. So ladies and gentlemen, on her own and then they just came back and you know started writing songs with rihanna and just

her story is amazing just rocking and rolling so ladies and gentlemen please welcome to the stage amazing So amazing. Oh, wow. Everybody's falling in love right now. Oh, wow. Everybody's falling in love right now. Everybody's falling. Everybody's falling. Everybody's falling in love right now love lp welcome to the show how hard is it to get out of being lp the musician and songwriter you know i mean i gotta say um uh it's pretty easy

i just like i float in i float out you know I kind of call it like this like constant dream state that I'm sort of in you know like I'm just like kind of um really just like as soon as I go into the studio as soon as I go on stage I just switch flicks and then I'm just like on that you know and then when I'm not I'm just like, oh, that, you know, and then when I'm not, I'm just like, you know, I wouldn't say I'm in some nebulous, like, nowhere's bill. But, you know, I'm just like, I don't, I don't know. I just don't feel like I'm LP the musician in my whatever, unless I'm like doing what I do. I guess I don't really think about it that much. And I'm like, oh, shit. Like, you know, when I'm on stage, I'm like, oh I do, I guess. I don't really think about it that much. And I'm like, Oh shit. Like, you know,

when I'm on stage, I'm like, Oh wow, this is my thing. So you're pretty good about being in present moment then if you're not overthinking. I think so. Yeah. A little too much. So like, I can't, I can't plan anything. I'm terrible at plans. Girls hate me. My relationships are all in the toilet. But yeah, other than that, I'm fucking

killing it, man. My friends love me. You know what's so funny? Going into relationships, they want to be in relationships with people like us who are free and wild and out there. And then a few there and then it's like and then like you know a few months in it's like is it all you ever dreamed of they're like no it's annoying it's

fucking piss me off and you're just like it's like trying to like my old manager would call it nailing jello to a ball just to say i don't know what the fuck that means but i sort of can imagine it now it's a lot less fun than it looks no i mean i think i think it's actually fun you know it's too much fun like it's just like because it's like there's no like was i always like that yes you know what i mean you go back to this too much fun thing you you're on to something here i i worked really hard it was a slog for a while you know what i mean i didn't know where my like next like dollar was coming i didn't know if i was like you know i didn't know what the fuck was gonna happen when i go to vegas i i never gamble i don't have a gambler's phone in my body but i basically bet my whole life like on

like at the roulette table you know what i mean i put it like i put every single fucking shred of like uh dignity i would have on like red 25 and just spin that shit you know what i mean and then and now i'm good you know like i i you know carved out my little fucking piece you know what i mean and um i'm just like i'm in like constant celebration mode but not but i'm still like writing and creating you know i'm just like what i thought it would be it's fucking good you know and i want to just hang you know i'm just like what i thought it would be it's fucking good you know and i want to just hang you know and sometimes i don't know people can't hang sometimes well fuck them we don't need them they can't hang we don't fucking need them lp uh you know do you have that same like hyper

focus attitude about life when it comes to like, when you're like deep in a record? Yeah, I do. Um, and also, you know, I don't know, I love, you know, I started doing this thing where I really love these, um, like writing trips for myself, you know, like, um, I'll take, you know, and go to some like, you know, I don't extravagant, but not, not extravagant. Like just where it's like It's kind of like a Like it feels like a vacation And a hang with your friends

But like You know We We like We roll tape for 12 hours a day And you know And just like And do the thing

You know Yeah it's nice It's like it really puts me In that thing you know It's like And we You know Just kind of

Like It's like a submersive Kind of thing. And I love it. Like just go like, and keep writing songs, um, you know, the whole time and then work on it and then things come back and we work on them. And it's nice. Do you feel like you need to be in like isolation? Um, yes and no. Um, it is nice.

I think it's nice just because then we don't have to deal with like, you know, uh, significant others and, then we don't have to deal with like, you know, significant others and, and things like this, as far as like, you know, dogs and all the things and, you know,

friends and, you know, we could just do like, you know, just, just be like, it's like having a hang, but it lasts for two weeks straight.

Yeah, totally. And like, you know, when you're writing a verse, you don't want to worry about walking the fucking dog and shit you know yeah you know like i don't want to walk the fucking dog i don't want to hear like so what are we having for dinner tonight i don't want to i don't i don't want to deal with any of that like i mean we do that in

the studio like so what are we going to order you know but um but yeah no i just like i think it's like i get like submerged in that in that thing and just excited. And just like on that kind of, I mean, you know, the writing thing, I just kind of started to treat that like as a, when I, one of the best things I think that ever happened in my career was when I thought my artist career was completely done and washed up and I was just going to be a a songwriter you know which is also a great thing you know and i was you know there was many many things i was

almost i was a little bit like i was freaked out um that you know i would i wasn't freaked out i was like stoked that i didn't have to be like you know pressured like as far as my look or whatever the you know or like my genre what the fuck single was gonna you know that was cool um but i also knew that i had to hustle you know like and really like write as many different genres as i could and with as many different types of artists and so you know so i was just on my hustle and um and and people don't really care if a writer is inspired you know that's like get in a room and write you know so it's like i remember doing these writing trips in japan and like you know be like some like you know sweet man just at my door with his shoes off like ready to work for eight hours in the studio on

like you know on like pop smashes you know like and then like just you know at 11 a.m you know and then like out of my house at like you know six and that you know and then every day for like seven days and it wasn't like are you inspired you know no I actually feel like going to fucking movies you know it's like no sorry you can't you know it's like that but that's what artists do you know it's like I'm not inspired yeah especially in Nashville they do that shit a bunch in Nashville we're like these like two-hour sessions like oh yeah yeah because that is you know that is um you know like provincial song because that is you know, that is provincial songwriting town

USA, you know, it's just like, yep I just woke up, you know, I woke up at 8am and I, you know dealt with my kids and now I'm, I went to work at 10.30, like who the fuck writes songs at 10.30am, not me Like, you know, get the fuck out of here Let's fuck it, I'm clapping for that

I'm still on in coffee mode, you know know like i'm not trying to write you know like at 10 30 a.m but but anyway like you know different strokes or whatever but i i just like i i don't um but it made me kind of a beast as far as like it's almost like you know and i was like a decent student back in the day and like and you just had to do it it was like like school yeah and what was like what was your what was your mind going through you know when you said you were having this like existential thing going on where like you felt like your solo career wasn't going to be as as you know longevity as you thought in this in this idea and you're moving into this transition where you're you're writing songs for other people like did that fuck with your head a little bit well what fucked with my head was that like i felt like the problem with my artist career was that i couldn't like write a song for myself

and then all of a sudden i'm now like exalted into like i write so i couldn't do it for other myself but now i shall do it for other people here you are here's a song make your life you know like what the fuck is that? It's a mind fuck. Yeah. Well, that's what, that's what people do, you know, because, you know, it's just like that everyone's searching for this like Holy Grail of sorts, you know, like for like, you know, for, for an artist, because like the pinprick in is kind of a, a, like a difficult thing to like,

no, or grab onto for anyone, you know, it's like, you know, I'll bust like the whole A&R guy thing all day long and be like, what do you really do? You were selling phones three months ago.

Shut the fuck up. Like anybody, if like, you know, if it's fucking songs on the radio and it's played a million times, anybody could identify fucking here. Who are you? Like, who cares what you think? Motherfucker, you know, but like, you know, if a fucking song's on the radio and it's played a million times, anybody could identify a fucking hit. Who are you? Like,

who cares what you think, motherfucker? Yeah. You know? But like, but you know. Was it worse earlier? There are guys who could do it actually.

So was, was, was like A&R-ing in like the early 2000s when like people were still buying records and shit. I bet, were they more annoying than they are now? Or is it more annoying now? Yeah,

because it was more arrogant, you know, because you know because like you know basically and there were great songs coming out of course but like basically nobody had access until they gave them access bullshit that you know and all of a sudden everybody had access and was like that's all right but this is this other thing is dope i'm about to like listen to this 4 000 times without your permission what do you think you know and it was just like and they were like what like good i mean it it must have been like holy shit i mean i remember you know during like the first my first major label there was in 2006 you know and i was in the system for like three years after that and i remember in like 2007 and whatever and i'm sitting in this room with like these two huge

songwriters like fucking gigantic like n-sync motherfuckers and stuff and they were like you know um just lamenting the fact that the music business was in the toilet and then like cds were down another fucking 25 sales and and like how like you know it's over like the fucking big i said yeah it's over for you guys you know what i mean like it's over for making fucking three million bucks on an album track you know like i mean like sorry oh i'm sorry man you know it sucks you know but i don't know that kind of shit so i'm gonna just carry on writing songs and and try to do my thing because it's it's what i it's all i have i'm not i didn't you know i didn't get into it for money you know and that's not to say i don't want to

make money of course you know but um but i i don't know that kind of thing so i'm just going to carry on like you know it's okay and and you know now like things like with streaming we're back to some semblance of like you know i mean not mean, not for songwriters, actually. There's like a whole fucking thing going with songwriters are the lowest paid people in the music business, which is absolutely. Yeah, they're the lowest paid. Like they don't get the money that like like artists and record companies get more money from the whole system of like streaming. Apparently, you know, I mean, I don't want to talk too in depth about it because i'll be talking out of my ass i don't know all the you know but i know that songwriters are taking a hit hard and everyone we're all trying to like you know vote and get you know um kind of consolidate to get that to stop is there a songwriter union that's protecting you that's not like as cap or

like bmi there is like a group and um you know like people like justin trant are like fucking spearhead that shit and um there's a bunch of people um but uh but yeah so it's like it's one of those um you know it's one of those things where they'll tell you like oh you know the glory days are over and again yes you know like people made like millions of dollars off album tracks with big artists back in the day does that piss you off that they're kind of devaluing your art? Of course. Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean it was, but also, you know, you just have to, you know, you want to talk, you want to talk big and be like, Oh,

I didn't get into this for the money, man. It's the art, you know? It's like, so yeah, you know, it's like, I, I didn't even, you know, I, when it was time to buy a house for me, I, I didn't, I never even got that far, man. I had my head down just running with my head down for so long, trying not to work at a bar, you know, like, and, and then I was like, Oh, I don't even know what that, like, buy a house now, you know, like, whatever, just like, what are those costs? What are we talking here? You know, it's like, I like, you know, I like fucking drop some stuff on some clothes,

but like, I didn't think about that. It's kind of a blessing in disguise that you started doing this when the music industry crashed. Because you could be your own fucking songwriter. You didn't have to listen to these bullshit. Yeah. But we didn't know. I didn't, I couldn't see the full scope of that yet. You know, like, and so, you know, and so, yeah, so being that.

So, you know, and so, um, yeah, so being that, um, and then, uh, being in, being signed into that, that crazy kind of system where it was just like, you know, I was in that where like, um, like people were like signing fallout boy, like, you know, those guys and everything. And that was like the big thing. And I, I remember like, even like I had a hard time because my, you know, Rob Stevenson and Josh Sarubin, who were working A&R then at Island Def Jam, passed on me two weeks before L.A. Reid was like, no, I'm signing it. You know, and then and then they signed me anyway. And then they didn't know what to do with me, really, because they hadn't done an artist like me. And then they were trying to ask those guys for advice. You know what I mean?

And they were like, I don't know what that thing didn't like appeal to us and they were like so i was like lost you know uh i knew i knew um stephanie lady gaga you know then she got signed like six months after me and she she also like took a hit in that that label she had to get off of it and on to another one you know um but it was like just people like like absolutely flubbing careers left and right always you know did you feel stuck of course yeah man and that's why i you know i my story is so um insane because um they i even almost got stuck again you know i was on warner brothers like so after my writing career then i signed a warner brothers um as an artist again two years later in 2011 and suddenly they're like calling me like you know um, um, you know,

these are their words, not mine, but they were comparing me to like a heritage artist, like Neil Young on the label, finally a person that's, I got real depth, you know, whatever it on this label. And it's going to be like a, you know, a career artist, whatever the fuck it is. They use all these terms that they, they just hear from like the guy who hired them.

And then they're just like, in their pitch for you, they just get excited you know it's like like i had this record that like this record called forever for now now that it's out but like it was you know i had all these songs that everybody was like oh my god there's so many radio hits i had a i had a nice live album that got everybody excited and then and then you know and then rob caballo commandeered the production for the thing you know he's an amazing like producer you know he wasn't right for me i knew it from the get-go but i i got in there and i fucking you know rolled up my sleeves and dealt with whatever i had to deal with to like get this motherfucker through you know and so but the

record got way overproduced took way too long i lost like they told me i lost my momentum like no shit i i yeah i lost my momentum i'm sorry that i was touring fine when i had my ep out but now you stopped me and now i'm like and now i made this record and it's like too little too late and you put it out and then the whole regime at warner brothers changed they get these two new motherfuckers um uh you know cameron strang who like i mean he's about as interesting as a fucking bag of rocks you know i'm sorry i don't mean to throw people in the bus right now but fuck it who cares no one no one knows this motherfucker so this guy he's like an accountant you know what i mean he goes

in there and you know he had some publishing oh he did he really was good he knew how to pick people on publishing fuck you anyway so he fucking i'm gonna i had two cups of coffee and i don't and and right now i'm here for it all right so he you know so he i the moment i met him like i could tell he couldn't get up with a crane for me man like his fucking like it was like slam your dick in the fucking door you know what i mean like he was like i don't get this chick at all and i was like hey buddy not to you i i couldn't like my thing is like you know tiny and I can't get up for you either so everybody fucking calm down and they got this other guy under him I can't even remember this idiot's name now but he's fine I'm sure he's done great things I think he failed upward into like Amazon music or something like that congrats but anyway he's amazing but like he he hears my song Lost

on you and like and this song called strange and the song called muddy waters and he drops me which was the best thing that ever happened to me i owed warner brothers 1.6 million dollars forgotten which is basically a free record like no it's it's a house it's called a fucking house i bought a house with that money that then like that then lost on you like applause yes yeah so i mean so it's all and you know and honestly no hard feelings like you know when i call it like you know i mean i mean everything i said like fuck those cocksuckers but i don't really uh you know it's just like it is what it is you know and and and i i i tell that story always with the intent of inspiring people to like not listen to somebody in a subjective business that

doesn't get them that's it you know i mean i'm just like you know all kidding aside and then uh you know i'm sorry to use um profanity like that i'll be fuck it is a beautiful thing yeah if you do it right it must be me but anyway no but like sorry no but this brings a good question about the music industry in 2021 i i have the i feel the same way where they're not developing bands anymore you're just they're just going for momentum stuff and they're not like like nourishing a band like what's the point of a record label it's just i'll tell you what though that that's all well and good uh yeah that's the thing they aren't doing that but like that should be the artist doing that anyway okay you know who like you know what do you uh a fucking like um calf that has to be massaged so the meat's better like do it your fucking self like fine like

you know like that you know when people were young and they did you know they like when uh mick jagger and uh keith richards met and they uh in a fucking you know a train and i had the same records and they bonded you know yeah like a record guy didn't do that you know what i mean like i mean you know everybody needs some guidance of course but like so why do we fall in the same trap every year we keep falling into that same trap where we want to be like, put these records out with major labels if we can just do it ourselves now,

now that we have fan bases. Well, it's still, believe it or not, takes a lot of money to set shit up. Yeah. Takes a lot of, a lot of, like, I mean, I am now on my manager's label, which is like my own label. I've been with these guys for 11 years.

I trust them with my life. They're my best friends. And they basically, you know, when I left Warner Brothers and then I was signed by Vagrant Records, then Vagrant got eaten by BMG. And some guy DM'd me from a fucking Greek label, a label in Greece, and said, and I just started checking DMs. I was like, you know, I thought it was just like, you know, I think I missed out on some like live opportunity from like some random thing. And I was like, oh shit, I guess I should check these. It's not just like, you know, people trying to slip in and be like, hey, what's up?

Or hey, I fucking hate you. You're ugly. like hey what's up or hey i fucking hate you you're ugly you know so i just like i see this this thing and i go and i check it and he is saying like like i think your music would work here or it's like i would love to license it can you put me in touch with your people i said sure so um i thought i meant like for a movie or some shit and not like to put it out on the radio so he hits my people my my managers my publisher and then, and they figure it out. So that like BMG who bought the conglomerate that bought Vagrant, you know, they didn't know who the fuck I was or care. You know, they say they do now.

They say they were like, oh yeah, no, we, we acquired LP. That was us. That was all us. No idea. So they let, they let them license it to Greece and then they let it do with Italy. And then France wanted to do it. And then that's when it was like where's the army who is this stuff so but then they allowed it and they were cool bmg was cool you know um and um they allowed it to happen but my managers were also like steering the whole ship i'm on like i'm on like 10 labels in europe you know what i mean i'm on all these different labels and i have

all these partners now but like but it happened it was just the way it happened was just so wild and and you know it's like people in greece were on vacation and then came came back hearing the song and it just kept it spread and so um i was like i was thinking i was i was out i was out opening up for um brian ferry um who used to be in like rocks music, whatever, you know, and like having this little tour. And I was thinking, this is probably what I'm going to do. I'm going to be this little, you know, little opener fucking fluffer for like motherfuckers, you know what I mean? Whatever. So and I was like, all right, I'll just like write songs for other people and, you know, and put out my little indie records on the side.

And then this shit blew up overseas. on the side and then this shit blew up overseas and then all of a sudden i went from having like a couple of shows a show or two in greece or italy to like three months of like constant touring and it hasn't really stopped since until the pandemic but so during that whole thing my managers um kind of got like they they really kind of took over like you know with bng i'll say but like they really did the the hard work and they found out you know they knew all the workings of like how my music was spreading and what was happening so now i'm on their label um and for this this record i'm about to put out on december 3rd and so they so they work with all the partners their their label but they still they've got to put a bunch of money behind it they're gonna put a bunch of money into videos they're gonna put a bunch of money into you

know advertising it's like it doesn't come from nowhere this is what i'm trying to say it's not like oh but we could do it ourselves i just like you know i don't want people to get in their heads like you know like it's fucking easy it's still not easy and there's still a lot of like things that you have to break down and basically just fucking pay for it, man. You know? Yeah. So it's not like, whoops, you're a star. It's still like, you know, like it's still a thing. Like, and yes, things get just like, I just told you a story where it was just like unbelievable what happened, you know? And so these are the miracles that we like kind of hold out for, but they are, you know,

just that they're kind of miracles sometimes. And, and, and, and they're there for the taking. They happen. They, they can happen often. I'm not, I don't want to discourage anyone from trying because it's a real thing but i but i just you know i want people to know like you know i guess i'm not happy if someone insinuates that it was easy like or like or like a miracle happened and that's it and i was you know like motherfucker i was prepared yeah you know what i mean like when that ass yeah when

that when it took off i was ready to sing my fucking balls off for people like and sing that song exactly how they fucking heard it it wasn't like some some studio fucking miracle it's like i i sing like that so there you go let's fucking go i'm clapping to that too lp let's fucking go. I'm clapping to that too, LP. Let's fucking go. Authentic as fuck. I'm on fire today. Dude, I'm ready to hear you. No, I'm in it. Fuck it. Okay, so tell me about some miracles you had in the first years of songwriting.

Who was that first big song that you had, or did you know? Well, I had this song I wrote with this guy that I now call my friend. Okay, cool. My friend and mentor know this guy that I now call my friend oh okay cool um my friend and mentor this guy Billy Steinberg you know and um he you know this guy took me into um to him because he knew him this guy Marvin Howell who was like chasing me around like really kind of in New York City like going like what are you doing with your life why are you doing this indie bullshit when you could be singing from like he just thought i had something i don't know there's like this there's just people everywhere like you know like that are like they're just like identifiers you know what i mean they may not

be able to take you through but like they're they're like you have something above all these other people and you know come here you know but so he um you know after like literally five years of this guy chasing around new york city like in these dive bars that i was fucking singing at he was like i was like you know what marvin you get like he's like i can get you a deal within a year and if and if i do i want your publishing for three years you know and i was like whatever man i said you know you like you get me a deal and i'm like you can have whatever i don't give a shit you know so he started like shopping. He actually,

he said he could do it in nine months. He did it in seven months, but he, he took me to Billy Steinberg. I play him like some of my shit, my guitar and he loves my voice and he wants to write with me. So we wrote a song called good with you and a song called clean to me. And the song good with you was like, you know, just perked up the, like, you know, the major labels ears, you know, just perked up the, like, you know, the major labels ears, you know, and I have had a bidding war between jive and Island Def Jam. Um, you know, I don't, like, I don't believe in like, I think I,

whatever choices were made were the right thing, but like, I just like, you know, I, I, I feel like I should have gone to jive because there was the passion there. You know, I felt like, you know, Island Def Jam just wanted me because they, somebody else wanted me, even though they thought I had a great voice, you know, felt like you know on the def jam just wanted me because they somebody else wanted me even though they thought i had a great voice they know that that was their they you know anyway so uh you know i i i did at the time and i i i have other you know i i've i don't have many regrets but like that i was like oh shit you know but it you know i guess just you know what i think is

that you add years onto your fucking climb you know like it you know i guess just you know what i think is that you add years onto your fucking climb you know like it's like and i've been friends with people and i've dated people who i know i you know took years off their climb you know what i mean like there's like a you know um there's the direct way and then there's the 20 fucking years there's just like you know the five more years way you know and and yeah i think i did that a couple of times you know unfortunately and even not in recent recent memory but even like god i mean when when when um when the american thing happened where as far as america wanted to put out law study like and i had a couple labels and i you know i signed to uh rca instead of um um atlantic you know and at it and i you know i knew that night i don't i don't smoke

weed you know but like i was with some friend that's like don't if you don't smoke weed don't smoke um rich people's weed who like the people that like wake and bake every fucking day don't smoke that weed are you crazy right so i take one hit off this fucking weed i i cough and then i'm fucked and then it was the night of that meeting and i was like and my people were like we're going with rca and i was like i knew then it was like a mistake shit like that happened you know and i was like and that doesn't mean you know i'm i'm great in america you know i mean but rca completely botched the fucking like putting out lost and new in the states yeah like i mean if i told you the story tell me it's like you want to and new in the states yeah like i mean if i told you the story it's like you want to kick somebody in the teeth no it's because it's not it's not guaranteed like

that it's true i heard it from two different sources and i don't want to talk about because if i don't have a guarantee i don't want to talk shit about that's good but like but anyway so it's botched you know but like and that's the kind of story that could define someone like this is the thing. I'm so lucky. I'm so grateful that I'm like, I, because I, I have gone past all my dreams, you know? And so I'm just all, all the everyday grateful and I can't believe it, you know? But I can see all these, these things that almost absolutely fucking tore my whole shit down. Like what happened at warner brothers you know like after i got dropped like by warner brothers it was january of 2015 that was

like my fucking fifth record deal that fucking shot what am i i'm gonna get another deal are you fucking crazy so like but i get one and then i get another one but like well yes and so so but i but the some of the stories that have happened to me like they are the defining end of most people's careers yeah you know and so when i see these things i think for the motherfuckers that fucking got dropped with a song that could have done what lost and you did but it didn't you know like because you know i know now that like lost and it was about to go to rihanna like if i didn't take it and whether she put it out or not still like i would have been just like you know on with my songwriting career hustling my ass off for you

know years to come um which I'm doing now anyway but I'm saying as a songwriter you know it's like um and you know like and these stories that happen I just like I my heart breaks for these motherfuckers who didn't see that fucking other end of the other side of the coin like i have and and it's just like and it bears talking about for me in places like this so that people can like hear it and not get discouraged because like you know someone botched up their fucking single release or someone you know um dropped them before their big moment like all these things and uh because it's you know you just have to you know if you want this if you want to do it you gotta like you know you gotta be strong and tough and and um and it's just i don't know i don't even think of myself as that strong or that tough but

like you know then when i'm like you know and then in the more like sweet cuddly parts of my life where i'm like a probably a total fucking cunt maybe like that's the problem you know that's what i'm going through now like as all i know is the road and i can't give love to my other side of my life that i want you know these relationships and hobbies whatever because the grind and beats you up so emotionally that yeah it's for good or bad. I mean, we're happy. We'll get to see our dreams.

But like, I think about the people who like gave up on their solo career, started writing songs for everyone else and like kept giving all their art to everyone else. And like that type of grind, you probably see a bunch of those songwriters too, who just are keep grinding for that song. Yeah. Oh, totally, man. And I man and i you know and and it's all it could be beautiful and everything you know i mean that's where like just like you know like the toughness and all that stuff like when i talk

about the gratitude like that's those are separate you know like because the gratitude that i have for like um being able to do what i do is beyond i don't even think it's enough like I feel like I should have like a side hustle of gratitude like I need to be like you know I need to be like I don't have a day job of gratitude you know besides my like endless like gratitude in as my my main job but I just like uh I don't know I it's um yeah, um, yeah, like people like, you know, I remember I, I wrote one of the songs for my record, um, with, um, Dan Wilson and, um, it's called churches and it's the title track. And, and I remember like getting to work with my two days with him. And, um, I just basically sat at this guy's feet for like, you know,

the first eight hours it felt like of this, of this session, you know, because I just was like, I hadn't, you know, I, I'm not comparing myself to him at all, but, um, but I felt like of this of this session you know because i just was like i hadn't you know i i'm not comparing myself to him at all but um but i felt like i i just related to him because he had this whole career as a um you know with a with a big song and like you know an artist career and then he's like a producer and i feel like i'm like i have my artist career then i have my writer career you know and um and it was just like i don't know i just was like fascinated to hear and how he was like um where his head was out as far as like what he had done and what he was doing you know and um and he's just so cool you know so what what what type of like mentality did he have to keep going like to keep making he's just like i think he yeah he is just like it's all the same which is i think

the thing you know he doesn't even think about it. Like there's no, no, I mean, these are not his words, but how I, how I took it was like, there's no end and no beginning, you know, it's all a bunch of work, you know? It's a bunch of, it's a body of work. I don't, you know, it's like a big actor doing like a cartoon voice, you know, like for some big, like Pixar thing, you know, it's like a big actor doing a cartoon voice for some big Pixar thing. It's like people aren't going like, oh, that's so-and-so. But it just kind of rolls into the endless kind of creativity that they're doing.

And I felt that with Dan. And it was cool. And I felt, I felt that with, with Dan and just like, you know, it was cool. And I, and I just, I could just keep going, you know, I'm not, I'm, I'm still like, try to write songs for other people, even like, I try to do it with like, you know, like my, my local friends are like people that haven't, you know, that are trying to get there. Like, I love doing that. And it just like,, it's just like, I think it feeds, it feeds the whole situation. I mean, I, I'm, I'm at a place where I, I, I have, I have enough, you know, and I'm just like, that doesn't mean I'm not trying to strive for more and reach more people.

I am always, you know, but I, I'm just trying to make more of a body of work. And that's all, because that's all really at the end, like when I'm like, you know, when I'm just like, when someone's reading about me on the paper, like whenever the fuck it is that I like, you know, cash it in, I'm like, you know, they're going to be like, oh, that bitch wrote a bunch of shit, huh?

You know, like, I mean, I think even now, like when people discover me now, like they're like, wait a second, what? It's like, it's like, it's like living in a one bedroom apartment and you like, and like the wall falls down in your closet and there's like a whole mansion. Wait a second. I was, I was, you know, like my, you know, it's just like, I'm not like, you know, I've been around a minute. I got a bunch of records and a bunch of songs and that's what like, you know, I hope that like that happens, you know, for a while.

Yeah. And it fucking will. I mean, as long as like you have the work ethic, as long as it makes you happy, because it seems like you only do things that make you happy. Right. Is that important to you? No, I do a bunch of shit that doesn't, you know, that's a pain in the ass. They're like, yes, actually, no, you're right. I do everything that makes me happy. I mean, that's the thing. I got to I have to get on the road soon because i'm gonna die if i do any more things that make me happy oh same here i'm i'm on a three yeah i'm on a three day off from i've been on the road for nine weeks and i got five more weeks just man yeah yeah cove and a covet tour where it's yeah wow i i did one month recently and i we you know i took it like i

could i really i didn't do much i haven't i really i've been doing some festivals and stuff i'm about to do this really big festival next week um uh corona capital down in mexico city oh yeah that's a great one that's like yeah yeah it's my last uh biggie before the end of the year and then we leave in january and it's like constant where do you live? I live in Echo Park. Oh, LA. I grew up in LA. What's the difference between LA songwriters and Nashville songwriters and East Coast songwriters?

And what's an East Coast songwriter? I don't really know any East Coast songwriters except Claude Kelly. I don't even know him he's still there you know here that dope studio the old uh brill building shit yeah what's the difference between like you know the nashville i think they're just like well the la cult seems like a little more like

not sinister but just a little more like kind of like it's like daytime television and then there's nighttime television in a way you know what i mean it's just like you know it's just like nashville is like ellen and like la is jimmy fallon you know what i mean like it's just like a little it's a little you know it's like the same it's the same like con game it's the same like wink wink smile taking your mind off the fact that your wife might be like thinking about someone else but like it's like it's either today time or it's nighttime that is that is the great now i'm i'm stealing that i'm taking that lp that's unbelievable um you you talk about regrets earlier in this conversation you said you had you told me one of your regrets and you didn't i want to go more into the other things outside of music that you know regrets yeah let me hear what other things you regret um i well what

i i because i felt like it was a this was a big one and because it's a learning thing i felt like god i really learned that you know and i fucking let some fucking suit talk me out of it or like or like push me out you know so went into the wild which was completely botched want to hear a great fucking story i love it so i i'm a songwriter i get signed by my managers in the end of 2010 the guys that are my managers now and now i have my label and again trust them with my lives and they're the best people ever and i'm signed to a production deal with red one red one did me a huge favor because that kind of was the initial net that like kind of like was cast like like pulled me out of the sludge you know and like and because so other songwriters were like because red one was you

know really like just coming off that lady gaga moment and and and uh and he was like and so Red One signs me and wants to write a rock album with me and you know and legit he's like a big rock fan you know I don't I didn't know how he was going to do it I don't know if he knew how he was going to do it but you know he wanted to do it and that's good enough for me you know what I mean and it was a nice I I'm one of those people I took you know that's another I took every opportunity every songwriting opportunity like I'd be like man I don't want to write with this motherfucker at all like like i don't think they're gonna be anything but if i don't do it then i'm gonna think about like like maybe i fucking you know miss something so whatever but i you know so we're we're working

and all my songwriting like people i tell them this story and you know when we're like writing whatever they're like so wait your sign is an artist who had one. Huh? Like I want to write with you for your artist thing, you know? And I would like sing that because I usually sing, sing demos in a session, you know, for like another artist, you know? And so, you know, those people started to like write with me. And then, and then at that moment I was also, it was 2009 and I was starting to play at this place called bardo once a week it

was like an open mic thing and with a live band i like that was a hip vibe i remember that right yeah and i just started doing it like and my friend got me in there one night and i um believe it or not i like i sang some song and then like and then the guy was like oh my god he goes hey listen carol ordain's not showing up tonight and she was gonna sing the shadows of the night by pat benatar so like something random and i go and then like i'm like i love that fucking song and i'm like where are they where the shadows you know and like and everyone's like what the fuck you know and so i just thought i was off to the races on that shit and i did it every thursday night i would be writing with like Nicole Scherzinger and we'd go down, you know,

from the pussycat thousand, we'd go down and she'd like whale on some whole lot of love, you know? And like, um, who's that cat from the all American rejects would be that like, like tons of people would like, you know?

Yeah. Tyson. And like, and, uh, and so we, you know, like it was just a cool scene.

And then my, and my, uh, you know, and I know how to perform. Cause I'd been like performing like, you know, for a while, like with my, and then my you know and I know how to perform because I'd been like performing like you know for a while like with my you know my little bands around

the country you know before I was signed to a major label and didn't tour again for five fucking years by the way but I didn't miss it. What? Yeah I was touring from like you know the end of the 90s until like fucking 2005 and then I got signed to Violin Def Jam and I never toured again,

never toured again until when I was signed to Warner brothers in 2011, 12. All right. But I didn't miss it. I wasn't even thinking about it, but yeah, in 2009. So I jumped on stage, you know, to just play the song and people act like they've like, they're like, I can't believe this person. Like who, where is, who is this is this person from like what like how they i'm jumping on tables you know singing like just like you know commanding the room i know doing you you know yeah so i you know some people are coming down and people are getting interested and and i'm just getting i'm having fun and and one of the things listen up kids when you're having fun musically people come around

people start sniffing it out if you're good and you start having fun musically people come around people start sniffing it out if you're good and you start having fun oh my god like you know every A&R guy's got his fucking you know dick in your ear you know so like you're just like you there I'm just like every time I had fun again so I've started playing I was playing a ukulele bringing to sessions just having fun and being like you know I felt like you know buoyant for lack of another word I just felt like yeah this is like fun again you know and and you know i felt like you know buoyant for lack of another word i just felt like yeah this is like fun again you know and and you know because i i'd had a beat down man you know it's like not easy like i mean you know i talk talking to you but like i got dropped from two major deals

in space of three years and then came out the other side as a songwriter you know it's a little bit fucking traumatic you know it's kind of like an ego with the ego yeah yeah i mean people go through a lot worse things but you know i wasn't like it like an ego with the ego. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, people go through a lot worse things, but you know, it wasn't like, it wasn't necessarily feeling myself a couple of times in there, you know? And then, you know, so then this thing just got me like back on track and I just felt like I'm writing for other people. I'm, you know, I, I got it advanced. I'm like, I'm like living like only on music. I've been for like, you know,

like since 2006 I've been only living on music and, and I was just like elated at that to be honest so like even the hits like that down like you know hits that i had were like still like okay well you're still making a living doing music and that was more than you expected when you were working in fucking restaurants you know yeah so um so anyway so i'm like having a good time on stage and i um and i start writing for myself like little songs here and there i write a song i'll go ahead i keep i keep playing all these nights and like i'm and there's this thing building and i'm like getting cuts i you know i started getting cuts with bigger people i knew i

had a fucking cut with on the rihanna record the loud record called cheers but i didn't know when the single was going to be released but i was writing my own shit and i'm like playing it for my managers and they were like the fuck like this sounds like finally even to me i was like oh i have a sound like i wrote the song called into the wild and it was really it really kind of like crystallized and like coagulated at that point i was like oh okay well this this sounds like a song that nobody can sing but me this is my song and then i played it for like some friends this friend that was the young manager at the time she said god i got this this email about like somebody needing a song for this big commercial. And I feel like it's that song. It's a wild, you told me that.

Can I send it to them? I said, of course do it. So it gets fucking picked for this big Citibank commercial all at the time. It was already booked before I signed with Warner brothers. They didn't even know. And then I like literally, as I signed a Warner brothers, it, it, the commercial comes out and then like it blows up i get this like like it goes viral and then um i i do like cnn interviews me like this massive thing going on warner brothers never put it out as a single they never they never put it out first of all

rob cavallo decided he was going to reproduce it because the demo got on the fucking commercial. But Rob Cavallo decides he's going to take six months and reproduce this thing to be like the fucking Sistine fucking chapel. And then the moment is gone.

But I had a live thing going. I was getting shows and I was getting guarantees and shit. You know, you know, you know, guarantees are paid. Yeah. What type of rules are you playing right now? You know, I was playing probably about like five hundred, you know, kind of things, you know. Yeah. And like getting festivals and shit. And yeah. And it was a buzz, you know what I mean?

yeah, and it was a buzz, you know what I mean? But I remember when Rob Caballo, because he needed to do that triple Green Day record and a Josh Groban record and a fucking Dave Matthews fucking record that, you know, can you come off the road and just write? Yeah, can you just write, you know, just like

can you write these songs that you're writing for like other people, like pop songs? You know, I'm like, sure, Rob, you know, and let let myself go off the road i should have been that is my long-winded way into a regret i knew that coming off the road was not the way i should have kept the road going because it would have like perpetuated itself you know because i was writing more shit and i think that i had a i had a a lift. We all felt it. You know what I mean? My managers were more accustomed at that time.

Not a criticism, but at that time, not as accustomed. They had taken Rihanna from Zero to Superstar and other people. But more pop stars, not as much indie shit that I was in. But I knew from the slog I had already fucking been in from touring that i'd caught a wave and i

i should have been more vocal at the time but i was i just was you know staying wide-eyed and bushy-tailed and being like okay whatever you say guys yeah you know and then in retrospect you know it's like you think about it like you should have just kept doing what you're doing with your demos oh yeah but that's the thing then you signed your shit away yeah they they you know like yeah and it was just like heartbreaking dude yeah and and you know the guy who did the demo pj bianco like amazing producer songwriter discovered a fucking jonas brothers works with fucking um arizona like like like you legit but you know like um yeah uh and so you know it's just like

that's a regret you know what i mean like like like just not using your story to add to your to make it like better you know like let's see and that's really truly one of the only regrets that i have business-wise what about personal personal it's just like i mean you know um and i don't necessarily regret it but like you know there's sacrifices that you know like maybe like the amount of time that need to be put into something um wasn't there or whatever but i don't really like i don't i don't i think the personal regrets are more just like um you know um i remember that i regret not going home and spending like one of the last days my mother was ever alive with her yeah i was a kid and i was running around but um that's it what was your relationship with your mother i'm very tight she was my

you know she was the thing. She was responsible for... I feel like I'm living her legacy, basically. She put a bunch of good shit into me and really cared about my brain and my heart. What did she teach you about life? You better live it, because it could be over very soon. That's why I wanted to music, because I was like... She never ever talked

about regretting she was an opera singer you know and was like kind of pursuing that as a young woman you know like um training and stuff like that and she's very beautiful and everything so she had that in her corner as far as like you know she's like uh you know um a tiny beautiful italian woman you know what i mean like with a big opera voice you know and uh and you know i will never know what would have happened you know that should have could have would have i'm not saying she was going to be you know uh maria callas or anything but i'm saying that she um she never talked about it but um you know she was dead in her mid-40s and it's like why you know like like like she like most of the things she worried about was like, you know, dealing with my, um, violent alcoholic father and, and, you know, trying to raise us, you know?

So I, did you feel like she, did you feel like she was the only, like was raised by a single mom? No, no, no, no, not my dad, you know, took care of me in his way, you know, but like, yeah, no, but my mother, But my mother, she didn't live enough. Her own shit. And I'm on the other tip of that. I live my own shit, dude. I could have fucking ride the wheels off this motherfucker. Yeah, I mean, that's like we talk about life lessons. That's another life lesson you learn.

You know what you don't want in life yeah you could improve on yourself and from those yeah taking the training wheels off and becoming your own person was that hard to like do that or you it was hard to find this you know this this whole thing you know what i mean this is this was there you know but i like you know i carved this shit out of stone man you know, but I like, you know, I carved this shit out of stone, man, you know, so it's like, and just like on some, you know, no, that doesn't feel exactly right. That doesn't feel exactly right. You know, I am, you know, I was always this, you know, I think my mother was like, Oh, my God, what? What is this fucking thing? Like little, little nugget? You know, because I'm basically like, my dad, but with her, you know, like, I think sometimes I think like I have,

I had all the best qualities of my dad for her, you know, back then, you know what I mean? And now I have a couple of his worst ones, but, but no, but I definitely, but you know, when I was a little, little thing, I was like, Oh, it's so cute. It's like a little Richard. Did you get in trouble when you were a kid? oh it's so cute it's like a little richard did you get in trouble when you were a kid um yes and no no i would like i wouldn't do anything too crazy because i'm a people pleaser you know unfortunately you know i get it done behind the scenes man i don't need to like like i don't need to be too boisterous about the fucked up things i do

i'm not trying to brag you know'm like, I'm as dangerous as you want to believe. I'm glad of that too. Let's go LP. That's where it comes in. I don't have an excuse and I don't give a shit. It must be hard because I'm like a people pleaser too. I'm from a man

in a band and it's like when you're a people pleaser then you get into these relationships where you can't please them is that hard on you oh dude yeah always it is hard because i do care you know but i you know and also i just i'm just trying to like i don't know i just want i want everybody to be happy and to feel individually happy. I'm not trying to, you know, my thing is I'm not trying to, um, be the, you know, I'm not trying to over, overstep into your life. Like I want you to shine, you know what I mean? Like, you know, like I don't want, um, I'm not trying to dim anybody else's light. I,

I'm just like, you know know i'm my own solar system don't i'm not gonna suddenly start revolving around you yeah you know what i mean i mean in in ways sure you know but like i need to you know i i feel like i feel like i am an actual really good partner i just seem to be like getting like you know like it's just like, um, I just, I'm very independent and you have to be able to deal with that. Yeah. Any advice for me? Who's also independent? I've never had a relationship ever. I've just had a bunch of one night. I'm sorry to hear that. I've had a bunch of long ones and they've been great, but they give me advice for a night sometimes. There's no,

don't pressure it, you know, just like enjoy, you know what I mean? Like what, like, what is this? Like, like, you know just like enjoy you know i mean like what like what is this like like you know like i'm sorry to say this and i'm so happy that gay people can get married you know but i'm also so sorry that gay people could get married now too because it's like now we're just like you motherfuckers like now now there's a time clock ticking you know like you get in the thing it's like oh let's get married it's like how wonderful was it when we just i'm sorry baby we can't get married it sucks that we can't you know what i mean it's like i know and i'm so sorry because that's so not cool to like bust out you know but like i mean what you want you want me to really get behind marriage that was like a

fucking thing that like was for so men could own women back in the day like that's that's what's up yeah it's you know so now another woman's gonna own me what yeah come on yeah no my advice is just live and love and just fucking you know like and know that like there is no we don't you know it's over fast and there's no there's nothing um the legacy of the love that you leave you know and like i said i you know whatever happens with like things that go bad i've always loved you know the know, the people I'm with. I'm there because I love them. Not because I need to like, you know, like, I mean, even when things go wrong, I, I, you know, I'm, I'm trying to go like, is it me? Like, you know, what does it, I don't just bail as soon as things go wrong, but if it keeps going wrong,

then yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you can't like, just, just enjoy it, man. You know, just like try to like, to like be, you're never going to regret being more loving. So, I mean, you know, things go wrong. You just got to get up and try again. Yeah. Well, you know, with that, with that philosophy, can you say that about yourself?

Like, is it hard to love yourself? Uh, sometimes. I mean, I try to just be honest with myself because it's like, we're faulty we're like you know we got blind spots and shit of course you know but no i i dig myself man i think i i think i i think i try i think i you know i i kind of you know i i i'm nothing if not a wrestler like i i i'm determined i wrestle things to the ground you know what I mean I did this with my life you know what I mean like like you know and and sometimes I think um I think some people get it twisted that like you know like that it's easier than it is you know what I mean and then some

people I feel like some people look at me and they're like whoa what what you know look it's like some guy some really beautiful older man walked by at one time and the way he said it was so cute he was like he's actually a music business guy i didn't know later he's like manager or something like that he goes goes wow look at you you're a goddamn work of art like because he knew he could just tell by looking at me like that it was like how much like went into like this whole fucking vibe you know what i mean like you know like and i'm like yeah baby you know it takes time to be authentic you know it takes yeah like i know and i love that about myself you know what i mean like i don't know like you know like it's like good luck to any record guy who says you know we need we need like an lp good luck motherfucker you know what i mean like this is not like that's one thing that pisses me

off about this industry is just like they're it's so worried about marketing and how we're going to market them versus the songs i mean yeah and the character of someone you know like you know like just like how you know like just like the the just blatant charisma that is some people you know what i mean like even like when people like you know even like someone like like a so-called fabricated star like britney spears i'm sorry no that woman's charisma was gigantic gigantic and you can't like people will try to compare it to another thing that was like man me or whatever like record company made i'm sorry no no that chick just fucking charisma to the nines whatever it was and little girls everywhere wanted to dance like that look like that be like that you know

what i mean and so like and and it's like justin bieber same thing man you know what i mean like and talent yeah you know like but there's a charisma to, you know, and, and, and, and I mean, I think a lot of, you know, record people notice that, but they also, I don't think sometimes people don't realize the responsibility that they have to like, kind of nurture a charisma, like a, like a, like a person, you know, they just see it. They're just like, this kid's hot. He has something. I don't know what it is. You know what it is. Nurture that. You know what I mean? Stop like, you know,

putting so much like other gross shit around it, you know, but, but it's just the way it is, man. You know? And like, I'm just like, you know, it just is. And I, it's like, like I said, for all the, like, you know, all my, you know, um, posturing and cursing, you know, putting people like in their place so to speak you know everyone's just fighting for their life anyway you know what i mean i get it but like i'm still not going to be like take it with like you know like oh thanks you know thanks for uh you know stopping me dead in my tracks with a song that was like that like thanks for dropping me

for a song that deserved like that found its way anyway and you know like when people like i had these beautiful journalists in like europe being like so you must have known when you wrote lost on you that it was i was like i'm like girl i didn't know shit like i was dropped from my label for that for that very song so yeah no there was never no um yeah and and you know and and and here's another kernel for anyone who's like listening that wants to know like what the thing is don't put your fucking whole life in a song and think this is the one no this is the one no this is gonna be the one that does don't think like that when i when i when lost and you started to blow up i was already 30 to 40 songs

past it writing wise i was not sitting around going i wonder when luster is gonna be i didn't even think that was possible are you fucking crazy you know it's like um you know and also i'll tell you about those other two songs that i played for warner brothers that that maybe you know nobody knows but but strange that thing was in a like even just like two years ago or something like that was in a samsung commercial giant samsung commercial for like over a year you know muddy waters must have been synced like almost over 30 times the first sync that i got with muddy waters when i signed to vagrant and i signed this like i don't know i maybe i gotta you know sorry to talk numbers but i think i'm a 75 000 advance yeah boom muddy waters in a fucking jennifer lopez fucking like trailer

for some movie paid that off in one in one thing yeah so all of a sudden i had 1.6 million dollar bill that i didn't have to deal with with wonder brothers and then i got a new little deal that i paid off with one sink like from all those songs that one of us dropped me for i mean they still go strange just made me at a huge TikTok moment. So I'm just saying it's as inspiration. Like, just like, don't listen to these motherfuckers.

You know what I mean? Jesus Christ. If I could tell you one thing, write songs, write songs, write songs, tour, live your life, enjoy your fucking life as much as you can.

But just like, don't put that pressure on yourself. You know, you want to call yourself a songwriter, be a songwriter. People don't call themselves a painter and paint 10 paintings. They paint for their whole fucking lives to no

applause in a fucking hobble. You know what I mean? Fuck off. If you love it, do it. Fucking A. Let's fucking go, LP! Pumping people up this week! What the fuck? Pump them up! Robin's up in his mind.

Oh, let's fucking go. Okay. I know you got to go. It's been an hour. You are the shit. I want to, you know, I, you know, the only, I only knew you because I did a show with, I think your ex, Lauren Ruth. I did a show with her a couple of years ago or something.

We smoked weed and she was definitely afraid of me. She didn't really... She's a talent. She's a talent. She was telling me about you and then I just started researching you. How nice. See, there you go. Thank you, Lauren. You are the shit. You are the shit. Keep being a fucking badass. I'm going to pump you up. Yeah, fuck these people.

LP, just live your life. Be the person you want to fucking be and tell all your haters to fucking suck it let's go let's go yeah exactly and I want them

to have beautiful lives too you know you live with your like make your decisions and then you know you fucking live with them amen anyway you're wonderful

thank you so much good luck with everything and keep kicking ass when are you playing in LA I just played the lodge room try to get I'll send you my contact and let's hang out.

I'd love to have a beer with you. Let's have a beer, man. I'll just regale you with more bullshit. I love it. Later, LP. Have a great day. See you, baby.

Bye. That was amazing. That was fucking amazing. LP, shout out. Keep kicking ass. Tell the fucking labels to suck it. I love it.

All right. I'll catch you on the tail end. Now, a message from the UN. Let me feel your heart and joy and laughter. Togetherness, will it's all a matter. Whenever you Need me I'll be there And I'll be there to protect you

With a non-selfish love That respects you We'll just call my name I'll be there to comfort you. I'll be my world of dreams. If I said I'm so glad I found you. I'll be there with a love that's strong I'll be your strength I'll keep holding on

If you should ever find someone new I know it better be good to you Well, cuss if he doesn't I'll be there And don't you know, baby Yeah, yeah I'll be there And I'll be there

Yeah, yeah Well, just call my name And I'll be there, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll just call my name. I'll be there. Come on now. And oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I'll be there, baby. And I'll be there We'll just call my name

Andy And I'll be there And there you have it. Thanks, LP. That was amazing. Wow. I'm learning a lot from people who get signed to major labels and how fucked up it is.

It doesn't seem good, does it? It doesn't seem good at all. It seems like everyone who ever benefits from a major label would have been fine anyway. Yeah. Like, I don't know, Billie Eilish or something. Yeah. Or whoever.

I just downloaded that on Apple. I want to watch that doc she just put out. I haven't watched it. I'm not that into her. I can't wait to Billie Eilish or something. Yeah. Or whoever. I just downloaded that on Apple. I want to watch that doc she just put out. I haven't watched it. I'm not that into her. I can't wait to get the ketchup on Succession. I'm going to ketchup so much.

I heard the season finale is insane, but no, I don't want to hear about it. No, don't tell us. I don't know. I haven't seen it. I'm going to watch, like,

six episodes after this. Even Kyle Ayers said it was good, and he doesn't like anything on TV. Yeah, Kyle doesn't like anything. He's like, I'm not writing. How dare you? Aaron Sorkin. So, guys, have a great week.

Next week, like I said, it's the Christmas spectacular. Todd Glass goes on a 45-minute rant about cancel culture. That is amazing. And it's not what you think. It's not like anti-cancel culture. He's very varied and nuanced take. He literally started talking for 45 minutes. It's like you don't even know it's 45.

And you're done. You're like, holy shit. Well, we were high as fuck as well. He's so smart though. I forgot that we had a tank of nitrous there too. Oh yeah, you guys might hear like they'll be like four or five times in the middle of a tall glass heartfelt. He's here.

And he had his friend with him. Yeah, he had Vinny Vinny. Yeah, sorry. And we had Phyllis there. You know, Phyllis, she was chim, sports with Phyllis. She was chiming in from the backseat. She was chiming in

and then you finally gave her the mic like four hours into it and she's like, then she got all nervous. Stop talking, yeah. She gets nervous like that. Typical, though.

Let me in the show. Let me in the show. So anyone in Chicago this weekend, come hang out with us. Yeah. We get in Saturday. But don't get too close to us.

We might have COVID. We've been on tour for, I'm just kidding. I thought I had COVID and then we had to take tests to get in Saturday. But don't get too close to us. We might have COVID. We've been on tour for... I'm just kidding. I thought I had COVID, and then we had to take tests to get in, and then you have to take tests to get out of Mexico. I'm like, fuck. I never felt better about us not having COVID

than after you guys came back from Mexico, and you'd all been tested a million times, and I had been quarantined in Boston in a one-bedroom apartment. We were rocking. For anyone who doesn't want to know, when I wasn't at holidays, I was in a one-bedroom apartment

in Revere, Massachusetts, a southern uh near the airport let's put it that way you said you didn't even leave the apartment i did to go get food i went i would walk around a couple times oh my god so fucking funny well i'm glad you're back in denver i'm glad i'm back in denver so all my chicago homies if you want to come hang out go have a beer we're there for three days 18th through the 21st. Bam. And then I'm in New York from the 20th. I'm celebrating Christmas by myself.

That sounds fun. I'm excited. I've never done that. Well, you're Jewish. In New York. Well, you know, it's still like that day where everyone's like. Yeah, what's it like being a Jew on Christmas? You know, I just don't like.

I don't really watch the social media, you know. It's still a day off, though, right? Yeah, I'm excited. I'm going to go to Ari Fink's birthday. I think I'm going to go to the Knicks-Hawks game. Hot take. I think I'd rather be a Jewish on Christmas than Christian. You guys don't have to go do anything,

but you get the day off. And you can just eat Chinese food. I like that. Shout out to that. Shout out to Chinese food. You guys got it figured out. Glad my ancestors saved you on D-Day. All right.

I'm going to a lot of basketball. I'm excited. Hell yeah. I'm going to two games this week. Yeah. Yeah, we're going to go hang out. I'm definitely going to start hitting your buddy up from Nuggets tickets when you're out of town.

You should. He's good. I like that dude. He's cool. I'm kind of jealous of him. He's got gray hair. Yeah, dude. He's like what?

He's like 50s? He looks younger than that. He looks super young hair. Yeah, dude. He's like what? He's like 50s? He looks younger than that. He looks super young. It's just, you know, people stay active. They age better. Also, speaking of hot dudes. He's up there. He's up there.

Yeah. He's not a musician. Who else did I see? Oh, you know who else I love? Mark Brownstein. He was so happy. I love that guy. He's pretty wild.

See, that's the thing. Going back to holidays, they put all the bands in the other resort and they put me in the lion's den. You're new. With the fucking...

No, they know that I like to party. Oh, yeah. They put everyone in the quiet resort like a half, you know, a couple blocks away.

The better alcohol. Yeah, and they put us in the fucking lion's den with all the and then bayless takes his golden golf cart over his gig and he's carried up there and they carry him microphone thank you mr robbie williams for carrying me up here in bob stone bayless is gonna hang out with us baby in shot in chicago where's he gonna hang out with us maybe he'll come to fate night um he i don't see he wants to hang out with us? Maybe he'll come to Fate Night. He said he wants to come. I got him tickets.

I think I might have gotten the courtside. You leave on the 20th, right? Yeah, I have to come back. I think me and Bayless are going courtside for that game. That sounds awesome. It's going to be fun. He's a bulls fan probably, right? Yeah, he's Chicago.

He's not really into basketball. Yeah, he's not into basketball. He's just a buddy. He raps Chicago hard, yeah. All right, we got to stop. I love you. Bye. Be safe. Have a great stop. I love you. Bye. Be safe.

Have a great week. Don't let fucking the little things get you down. They're just little things. Take a step back and realize that life is important when you're living in the now, and life isn't important when you're living in the future, the present tense. Yeah, be like Keno. Be like Keno. Nothing bothers her.

Keno drove to this house. Came in like a fucking... Just like she owns the bitch. I love that. She did. She's like, what's this? All right, cool. I'm going to chill right here.

Yep. All right. Have a great week. I'll catch you next week for the fucking... You're going to like it. It's wild. Todd Glass is... Todd is Todd.

Goodbye. Todd is Todd. You tuned in to the World's Health Podcast with Andy Fresco, now in its fourth season. Goodbye. That is that. Crazy Stars, iTunes, Spotify, wherever you're picking this shit up. Follow us on Instagram at world saving podcast for more info and updates. Fresco's blogs and tour dates you find at andyfresco.com. And check our socials to see what's up next. Might be a video dance party, a showcase concert, that crazy shit show, or whatever springs to Andy's wicked brain. And after a year of keeping clean and playing safe the band is back on tour

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