Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 152.5: A Very Mushy Xmas with Todd Glass Part 2

Episode Date: December 22, 2021

In which Andy and his old pals: Todd Glass, Phillis, and Nick Gerlach, take an Heroic dosage of psilocybin and squeegee their third eye. This is part 2 of our Christmas tradition... Follow us on Insta...gram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Friends (A Song About Friends)" on iTunes, Spotify  Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Todd Glass Shawn Eckels Arno Bakker

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Starting point is 00:00:00 all right part two of the christmas extravaganza what are you wearing it's a laker sweatshirt it's a lot of a lot going on there i want to wear it under a blazer you know people wearing sweatshirts under their blazers yeah it's stupid no I kind of like that, actually. If it's a crew. Not a hoodie, though. Makes you look like you're homeless in the 80s. Part two. What did we even talk about in the second half of this podcast? I have no clue. It goes off the rails.
Starting point is 00:00:34 It's three and a half hours. We had to cut it. Well. We had to cut it into two episodes so it downloads better. It's so long. We did did drugs people uh i hope you like part one um part two is gonna be as fun this i think part two is weirder it gets weirder it's kind of it's more serious too yeah because we uh the mushrooms are kicking in the end gets kind of just like and then todd rants for 45 minutes yeah there's a 45 minute todd rant that's insane
Starting point is 00:01:04 but it gets kind of loopy at the end for sure we were like trying to end it we were like we Todd rants for 45 minutes. Yeah. There's a 45 minute Todd rant. That's insane. But it gets kind of loopy at the end for sure. We were like trying to end it. We were like, we were going to edit it, but we're just going to make it into two parts. Now you can't edit anything this bad. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:01:18 You have to cut out the whole thing. Make sure you listen. All right. Are you ready for part two? Yeah. I don't think we need to really say anything else. Let's just get right to it. All right. Are you ready for part two? Yeah, I don't think we need to really say anything else. Let's just get right to it. All right. Enjoy part two of Mushroom Christmas with Todd Glass and Nick Gerlach and myself.
Starting point is 00:01:31 You're getting mushroom for Christmas. Hell yeah. It's the fourth day. Happy holidays. Happy holidays from Santa. No, you don't. Yes, I do. Finally, three white guys talking about cancel culture. I can tell you already, it's not what everyone's going to want.
Starting point is 00:01:51 I don't, I don't. I want to hear. You asked. I asked. By the way, I am, I have, it's a little cocky. I am well prepared to go down this avenue. I am ready. And I will tell you this.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Before I tell somebody, I've noticed people do not, maybe it's me in other areas. I'm trying to say this very clean. People do not want to change their opinion on this because I've been doing this for 50 years, 40 years, excuse me. And my opinion doesn't mean it's right, but it means it's well thought out. It's very educated. And people will come up to me and they usually right away
Starting point is 00:02:23 think like a family event or something they think i'm going to be on the side of oh you can't do anything with the pc right once i very cleanly tell them oh no no no i'm on the other side of that they still go and that's why i think the pc opinion it's like a drug you know when you see someone on a drug or they're addicted and it's taking their life and you go well that's what i think that is they don't want to be unraveled. Let's say you all disagree. You know, Phyllis, you might disagree.
Starting point is 00:02:48 You'd still love me. But you'll go, like, I have a different perspective of that. Nothing I say is going to change your opinion. That's true. And one of the kids on the podcast said, you have to have, she's a therapist. Aaron, the kid who edited your video, his mom's a therapist. And she goes, you have to have interest and understanding. And sometimes I do that with my clients.
Starting point is 00:03:07 I pull them aside from each other in a husband and wife situation or significant other and go, it's just me and you. You can be honest. People don't want to say this, but this is your opportunity to not be judged and think about it. And she goes, I always say, why don't you tell me next week? Because I want you to lay your head in your pillow about this do you have interest in understanding now most people don't want to go no well okay you said yes now there's a series of questions that are going to follow that to find out if you're serious or not do you want to have an opinion on it or do you want i don't agree i
Starting point is 00:03:42 think it's fine it doesn't mean I agree with every outcome. This is the world we live in. And things change. And I don't mind growing. I don't mind, not by the court order, by my own doing. There's things I would have said 30 years ago that I don't want to say anymore. I know that group of people. I know what they're going through.
Starting point is 00:03:59 So I don't feel that way. I don't feel you can't say anything anymore. Matter of fact, you can say more now than you ever could say your entire career. And if you tell a comedian that, especially a comedian, and you go, well, look at what you could, there are some facts around opinions.
Starting point is 00:04:19 So what you really want to say is, what is this really about? Because come on, you know, know come on back 30 years ago you could only have the tonight show yeah there was not vehicles to do all this stuff come on you know this is true but what are you really caught up on here and it's usually not that much it's growth it's just growth yeah things change someone just wrote a brilliant article there were comedians in the 50s that were mad they couldn't use the word negro. Oh, I'm not going to be able to say anything anymore.
Starting point is 00:04:49 So, you know, I don't feel that way. I don't mind growing. And I don't think your comedy has to be vanilla. I like things crass. I love vulgarity. I don't like milk toast. But, you know, I disagree with it adamantly. I think it's, and by the way, even if they're right, you know what I mean? You can't say anything anymore. Cancel culture, all that shit. Even if you're right, well, guess what?
Starting point is 00:05:16 You're still fucking done. Yeah, yeah. I love that even if you're right. What does even if you're right mean? Comedy used to be better and now it's bad. Even if you're right, you're fucked. And I always want to say to my fellow friends so give me a listen because if i'm right and i can get into your head i could change you for the better and it's and let me tell you something growing willingly growing willingly and happily is a
Starting point is 00:05:40 blast and it's a lot more fun than not growing angrily and i you might go well why can't you not grow happily because it's not the way it happens and if you're angry at 30 and you're angry at 40 you're gonna be an angry fucking 80 year old or a 70 year old in music so you should treat this you can't say anything anymore you too and i'm not around you either want to battle this like a drug addiction and go stop it with that shit or own it and disagree with me yeah don't you think it helps if like i don't know i feel like you know i watched uh shane gillis's uh special he really toes the line but he's like actually fucking hilarious i think a lot of people complaining about getting called out or like a lot
Starting point is 00:06:20 of comedians it's like well you're not funny either so it's like you know you have to be funny too when you're like towing the line with shit you know what about chapelle we're all doing the same thing we're saying what we believe that's why i don't want to say oh don't say things that offend people no no no no i like to be clean with my thoughts that way my own thoughts can't come back to choke my freedom right but i realize anybody who disagrees with me we're doing the same thing we're all just saying what we believe those people feel that comedy isn't what it used to be I get it but a lot of times they make us look like we're oh I gotta I'm not I'm very sensitive so I don't I used to go I'm not sensitive I'm very sensitive but that's not my react that's not why I'm reacting
Starting point is 00:06:59 to this comedy I'm not I'm reacting to it because I disagree with what you're saying. And you'll never hear an outcry because some people go, if you don't like, and I could sell it to where people in this room would have nodded with me. I can get into
Starting point is 00:07:11 someone else's head, but I don't feel this way. In a small group, I do it like this because then if they agree with you, you have to go, no, I'm flipping it.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Exactly, yeah, yeah. But people go, if you don't like what Chappelle says, then don't fucking listen. Right. Now, if I wasn't here and somebody said that,
Starting point is 00:07:23 that really sounds smart. If you don't like it, don't listen listen right now if i wasn't here and somebody said that that really sounds smart i really if you don't like it don't listen right no then what about him he's a lot of complain i'm saying that i'm just complaining if i don't like it i i defend your right to say it of course i do but i'm not i don't i don't you're no one's complaining about comedians jokes about a dog they don't like because those are jokes that don't have damage. It's usually when they have a social heaviness under them that you have to. So I'm just saying that I feel differently. Chappelle, you know, it's like, I don't have to get into the nitty gritty of that. This, we've been through this before and here, and I know I'm going long on this on mushrooms.
Starting point is 00:08:05 I think I'm doing all right. There has been a long history of this. This is not new. This is not new. That's what I was saying. Like you couldn't even have like people sleeping in the same bed on TV in the 1950s. It's like people are,
Starting point is 00:08:17 people have always been really sensitive. They're just sensitive about different shit now. And actually they're sensitive about better shit now. I agree. And it doesn't mean they're always right, but it means they're not always wrong but at least they have give a shit at least they care they're trying and and you know they asked um uh norman lear the creator and i loved it i love this you could he goes the interviewer trying to befriend him which i get
Starting point is 00:08:39 goes you couldn't do another all in the family today and i know expected they go not with what's out there you know what he said he goes you couldn't do an all in the family today you couldn't do another all in the family today. And I know expected to go now with what's out there. You know what he said? He goes, you couldn't do an all in the family today. He goes good. It did its job. Yeah. And so, so it's like,
Starting point is 00:08:56 you know, the, the, as far as, you know, what, what were we just specifically just talking about? Just cancel culture.
Starting point is 00:09:03 And you were Just cancel culture. Cancel culture. And even the guys that say they got canceled, they can still go tour. They can still tour. A lot of people are using this cancel culture as almost like they brand themselves. I hear a lot of comedians up on stage going, you can't say anything. You can't say anything. Well, here's your fucking opportunity.
Starting point is 00:09:23 What can't you say? You have a mic right now and you go oh that is your brand yeah you're branding yourself and it's and a lot of guys have jumped on board you know guys you have never heard of they might be guys middling out on the road yeah tapping into this you yeah i say what i feel that's such a weird notion though to say you can't say anything while you have a microphone in your hand in front of you know what they mean to say probably it's harder but good go back and look at comedy i I was around during the eighties. This is not to insult myself. You know, just cause you can become a better parent. It doesn't mean you had to be a God
Starting point is 00:09:52 awful parent. I was not a bad, I was not a vicious comedian at my worst. I was, but that doesn't mean I can't grow. I realized the power of words. This isn't about comedy. This is about people, you know, as a parent, as a friend, you realize words are powerful. And I don't like when they make them like the people are victims. Oh, everyone's so sensitive today. Hey, I said this years ago, you're sure it's not you. Yeah. And then sure. And then you take a deep breath. Don't go to fucking answer me and go, no, it's not. Are you sure you've been told some things that really make sense and that you get in your own way? And I'm almost done.
Starting point is 00:10:28 When any group, when they go, they're going too far. This goes back to the Chappelle thing, you know, and I know I might lose some of your fans or maybe some of them are on the fence and I could turn them. I don't have to go. And he said what? And then what said what? And then what's that about transgender? We've been down this road before about groups of people that ask for things and this is how i come up with my equation on today there's always a group of people they're asking for something and there's people out there
Starting point is 00:10:53 whatever it is women's rights uh you know racial rights uh that go okay they want to let you know oh no i'm not a monster when it comes to hypothetically black people using white bathrooms they'll go of course i marched out there for that they oh, no, I'm not a monster when it comes to, hypothetically, black people using white bathrooms. They'll go, of course, I marched out there for that. They're trying to say I'm not a monster, but I know right away. I know right away as sure as the fucking sun's going to come out tomorrow, there's something. You're giving your decent resume to tell me what you do. But when it comes to marrying, they go, now it's gone too far. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Now it's gone too far. The Me Too movement will be gone. Now it's gone too far. So how do I decide if the Me Too movement's gone too far. Okay, yeah, yeah. Now it's gone too far. The Me Too movement will be gone. Now it's gone too far. So how do I decide if the Me Too movement's gone too far? Do I have to listen to what you think about it? No. We've been down this path before. If you said to someone, let me just say it my Todd Glass way,
Starting point is 00:11:37 bring me a list of all the things that every movement where they went too far, not things they asked for that were fair. I want the too far. Picture a guy with his assistant. Go, bring me the list of what black people wanted, what women wanted, what gay people wanted. But not the fair list. I want the too far. Like, I'm a good.
Starting point is 00:11:56 And then they put it in front of him, and he goes, you brought me the fair list. No, that's the fair list. And it doesn't look too far. Right. So get out of your own way or what I love to say is, or tell me what it was. Tell me what the, any of those movements asked for. Now, some people might've gone about getting it done wrong. Okay.
Starting point is 00:12:17 But tell me what each group now have balls. You want to have balls. You want to call yourself a warrior. What are the black people asked for 1960 or 50 or whatever year was too far? Go ahead, spit it out. What did women want in 1960 that was too far? I'm a good guy, but now they're gone too fucking far. Let's spit it out. So what are the odds? And that's how I come to my conclusion. What does this group want? What do they want to be called? What do they want? Talk about freedom of expression. And these people, to me, are stomping on it. They want to be able to say whatever they want but someone else identifies differently
Starting point is 00:12:47 and you go oh it's probably going to be like the past i bet everything they're asking for is just fair yeah and they come up with these fucking you know they say you can't change anybody if you yell at them you can't yell people into being decent but sometimes i want to use the language they'd bang you to use all the language and yell at them to go really do you what you know they they what was i saying oh they come up because they're afraid to admit what it really is they'll be like they come up with these these stories like well you know now there's kids getting injections when they're afraid to admit what it really is. They'll be like, they come up with these stories. Like, well, you know, now there's kids getting injections when they're eight years old. And now they're doing, they'll come with that cock and bull story. It's been around.
Starting point is 00:13:34 You should be embarrassed to tell that. Not because it's, just because it's in the way. Or now the problem is in sports. You want to go, that's not your problem. And I finally, five days ago, was on tour. I won't say who it was. It wasn't Jim. Jim is actually very much, we talk about this a lot.
Starting point is 00:13:51 And we're on the same page. But it was another person. And they were saying about, well, in sports now, the problem is. And I went, I've never asked anybody this. And he's also saying, you can't even ask questions anymore. I go, well, blank. I said his name. I go, I'm going to ask you a question.
Starting point is 00:14:09 And like, we were all on the plane. We're traveling back to Denver, actually. And I said, what about outside of sports? I wasn't trying to capture him, but a good lawyer knows the answer you're going to get. It seems manipulative, but it's really not. You just, well, you know, I go, what about outside of sports? But the, you know, the, the transitioning, he goes, oh, then I don't care.
Starting point is 00:14:28 I go, what? No, he's meaning I don't care. Oh, I get it. I don't care. All right. And I didn't, I know he's a good guy, but I went, that's the problem. You have to care. I knew the truth is, and I didn't corner him.
Starting point is 00:14:42 He just thinks the whole thing is bullshit. Right. It's not really the sports. He doesn't want to go. It's all bullshit. Because that's the problem. The reason we become okay with these groups is because we learn about them. You can't just be not, okay, well, outside of sports, I don't care.
Starting point is 00:15:00 No, you have to care. You have to care. That's the way you learn about them force is just like a reflection of culture anyway you know i mean it's such an excuse it's like with gay marriage i'm saying like i'm in near to like i'm to improve further your point with that not his you know what i mean so there you ruined my mushrooms so you're thanks sandy for bringing up cancel culture i just gave a big speech but but be honest, without me in the room, without me here saying all that, don't most people that are around you
Starting point is 00:15:27 feel like, oh, the cancel culture, you can't say anything anymore? I was really just talking about sugar. I was thinking if you're going to cancel sugar. Andy, are you depressed? You know what I'm going to mention? You know when you go to these venues and you slurp your drunk ass all over the stage and you vomit and you tell the crowd to move to the right,
Starting point is 00:15:43 move to the left? I'm going to do that right now. You want to see what it's like? I'll throw peanut bread pretzels all over the stage and you vomit and you tell the crowd to move to the right, move to the left. I'm going to do that right now. You want to see what it's like? I'll throw peanut butter pretzels all over your house. All right, have fun, everybody. No, I'm in that same position where it's like I can't, you know, it's like I'm afraid to say anything on stage. No, you're, but you're not though. Yeah, but it used to be way worse than you were with me.
Starting point is 00:15:59 That's the thing. I didn't see your old show, so I don't know. But why, when you say afraid, don't change it because I feel differently. No, no, no. Maybe it's better, too, though. It might be better. Why? It's like, here's the way I see most comedians.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Picture a dad. He goes to couples camps. Hold on one second. Hold on one second. Chris, cut this out. Now, I know this is incredibly, incredibly important and deep. Let me get some more drugs.
Starting point is 00:16:22 For comedy, there should be different rules. I agree. I'm a comedian. You should be able to say things. But the analogy still works. Like, I picture a dad, and he goes to therapy to learn how to communicate with his children better. Right. And instead of saying, I don't want to call my son or daughter stupid or fat, that's what the right, I don't want to because I saw it didn't get the job done.
Starting point is 00:16:45 I saw it was heartless. I hear a lot of this. I can't. Well, why do you want to? So you shouldn't be like, you can't. You should go, well, why do I want to? Exactly. If you're, you know what?
Starting point is 00:16:56 If you're learning and you want to learn, no one's waiting. That's because one person is, they're not waiting to stomp on you. And that's how I know, you know, they call ruling out probable doubt. When everybody goes, all you do is ask the question, I almost have you here. And be very careful.
Starting point is 00:17:14 These are groups of people that feel marginalized. You're telling me that all you do is ask a question and you get yelled at? I don't think that's what you're doing. I bet they would melt if you asked questions. I 100% agree with you. If you went what is that like or what so what you mean to say is all i do with the power of my voice is adamantly call the whole thing bullshit and then you get opposition but they try to settle this
Starting point is 00:17:39 put their shoulders up go high and they go all you do they make themselves the victim all you do is ask a little question and they attack you don't smell real to me marginalized people you're claiming you're asking them a question with the with the them and the there it's a learning process for me i fuck it up all the time but i know from afar that if someone hears me they go he's trying yep yeah that's all you're doing is trying yeah and you know what you can be a straight white male and still benefit by a sexual revolution just to shred the confines of sexuality you know what's funny a lot of those people they're all right with all the words they want to say you know they're all right with cunt and pussy and faggot and other words i can't say but when you
Starting point is 00:18:25 try to maybe use words that could actually help people live a better life ah now you got it now it's him and them and there and and before that it was what are you gonna say male person you can't say but there are always these things have been you go so it's like very much like you know it's it's like you know it's it's I've literally seen people right oh yeah but they're all right with all the negative words but when you try to introduce words that could make someone live a maybe a better life by identifying is a certain way oh asparagus now and now there's this all the words that can maybe help people live a more pure life and identify and that they have a problem with but all the any of the negative words they're fine with it's like how do these people think words work like it's not like they made up uh all the words 800 years ago and there hasn't been any new words since like there's new words every year you know i mean like
Starting point is 00:19:21 it's language is like an ongoing. That's what my friend says. He goes, what do you think the odds are? We evolved in whatever year that person is arguing. Yeah. Cause usually it's like you find, you know what you find out with comedy when they go comedy is not what it used to be.
Starting point is 00:19:35 You mean when you fell in love with it, people say that about music all the time. And I fucking, Oh, a hundred percent. I think music's better now than it's ever been more. That's fine. I agree with music too. And you know what? It's probably the same for comedy. It's, it's than it's ever been. More, it's fine. I agree with music, too.
Starting point is 00:19:45 And you know what? It's probably the same for comedy. There's more people. I hope that busted your ass. It's easier for more people. It's probably the same for comedy. More people can have a career where they can make a living now than ever, I think, doing music. Yes, the money is split up more.
Starting point is 00:20:01 There's less Michael Jacksons, but who cares about that? Fuck that. I'm with you. Those people are all crazy anyway. And you can still be that, but there's more.'s less michael jackson's but who cares about that fuck that i'm with people are all crazy anyway and you can still be that but there's more the pie is split up and i told my friend this once he goes you know there's no good niche bands like there used to be i go well believe me every band's a niche band right now i was i was right there around my fire pit at my house i go jim the proper answer that just i go and he took it in i
Starting point is 00:20:26 go jim what's wrong with you saying this because it makes you look real sane if you ever want to not look insane oh i don't know where music is really at today because i'm 50 and i don't go out yeah go when i go to see a band i don't go early and see the six bands that opened up for that band so um it for me to comment on music it probably looks silly because i don't band i don't go early and see the six bands that opened up for that band so um for me to comment on music it probably looks silly because i don't know i don't even know where to search for great new music that's the fucking right answer yeah not that is no good music like there used to be and i told him don't say that because anybody that knows a lot about music they know you didn't say that from doing your research it's incredible right now how much great music
Starting point is 00:21:04 i mean there's just great musicians living under rocks out there that 30 years ago would have been working at a gas station. You know what I mean? Well, it's hard for a lot of people to realize that even if you saw the band that you loved when you were 16 or 17 or 18 or 19 or 20, whatever year, and you re-saw them. Let's say they could give you an injection. You would forget you saw them. You still have all your problems. You still have all your things you didn't accomplish in life you're still sure sure 40 but you never saw that band you just that's all that the injection does you know whatever yeah but you still have you're now for let's say 40 let's use i am 40
Starting point is 00:21:37 actually yeah 40 40 is a great age you know it's still like you got your whole life ahead of you if if 40 if you learn your mistakes it's a beautiful age i like how old i am right now yeah but so so when you're when you're if you if you took that let's say that pill that made you just forget about the band but you still you're still where you're at in life you wouldn't even enjoy them when you saw them you had less responsibilities you're confusing you're conflating if that's the right word you know this i'm not i'm not insinuating that there weren't great bands in the 70s of course there was of course of course that's not the point but the point is now if you know i mean that's why you know on the you know vinnie being younger and the kids on the podcast that are younger we'd play
Starting point is 00:22:18 youtube roulette and we would go around that sounds fun yeah what that sounds fun what the idea of playing youtube yeah they would introduce me to new bands yeah and they know what i like and then i'm like like i go oh my god and here oh i swear i'll bring it home so for years i would say i would argue about music i would go no you don't music there's great music but i didn't know but i knew i was right yeah you get it like i didn't have to. I just know music isn't over. Stop it already. So you think, well, then why would I say that
Starting point is 00:22:50 without doing the research? Because then when Vinny showed me and all the young guys on the podcast, I go, yeah, I was saying the right thing. It's not like I had to go, oh, maybe I was wrong. It's not like all of a sudden every 25 in the world can't make music. Like you think everybody thinks their own generation,
Starting point is 00:23:04 everything after them just can't do anything you know and it's pure and you know what if you were older musician and i bet you weren't angry at life you might even go i wish i was you know maybe i think someone said maybe bob dylan if he was a if he if if you were able to sit down and talk with him he go oh i wish i could go directly to the audience maybe they wouldn't have talked me into using backup singers i I think there were a few days. He took some steps. Yeah. That you had to,
Starting point is 00:23:29 no, in other words, someone was saying that he might, he might've done some things he didn't want to do, but now it's more pure because it goes right to the audience. The music. It doesn't mean there wasn't great music then, but look, the bottom line is that you can't say anything anymore is going to be the, it's going to be, it's not even true yet.
Starting point is 00:23:48 But I always say without me yelling at you, anybody in your audience that maybe heard what I just said, it didn't change their opinion. Now my voice is calmer. It will behoove you on your own comedian, musician, or not without me yelling at you on your own to go figure out why i'm right so what is it do you like sugar or not i love sugar hell yeah how long did that go that dissertation i think that was a year maybe i just talked for a year yeah oh my god i i don't know i have to file taxes it's april andy i still think you here's what i think you know we talk about oh you can't say anything anymore i'm not i'm i don't agree with that i've argued this before but never to what i'm about to do and i'm going to go back to it tell me honest do you agree i agree
Starting point is 00:24:39 do you oh yeah do i agree um yeah i agree but what what when you said i'm scared to talk on Do I agree? Yeah, I agree. When you said, I'm scared to talk on stage, do you understand why I said that? No, that's my anxiety. Nick is right about that. I've done everything. I do everything I want to do on stage, no matter what. I don't think you've held back one time.
Starting point is 00:25:03 You still play Blame It on the Pussy every every night and everybody screams their ass off to it. Every person. It doesn't matter. You can grow and still have fun. I have intention now. That's what I'm saying. People know you're a warm person that wants the best for everybody and you have empathy.
Starting point is 00:25:18 So you can say blame it on the pussy because you know what? You can blame stuff on the pussy sometimes. And you know what? Women understand that more than men sometimes. How long have the power to blame it on the cock or put or you know what to tell you the truth that could look whenever if you did that you should do that actually it would be it's not you weakening that. First of all, I'm not, you should sing blame it on the pussy, but you don't like that song.
Starting point is 00:25:51 It's hard for me to sing. Yeah. You know, you feel you're a different person. Not a great song. I've heard it 30 times in the last 25 days. Most of the time when a comedian is arguing over a bit to do, when I hear them from afar talking about a bit, cause it's, you know, they go, you can't say that anymore.
Starting point is 00:26:04 You know what I want to say? You know what? Let's back down on whether you can or can't say let's say you're right you're going to get backlash can i ask you a question if you're not going to stop it because it's socially wrong it's hack yeah it's hack like how many times are those things they say they can't say like hilarious that's my question most of the time not that's my yes i'm saying it's like we have like these jam band friends right they're always complaining about like oh people don't like you know like they think their music's so fucking smart and no one gets it you know the vibe you know we're dumb It's like we have like these jam band friends, right? They're always complaining about like, oh, people don't like, you know, like they think their music's so fucking smart and no one gets it. You know the vibe.
Starting point is 00:26:27 You know what I'm talking about. It's like, no, maybe you're just like not connecting with people because you're not that good. You know what I'm saying? Like, if they stop. Nobody owes you shit. Who's sensitive? Because it's in music too.
Starting point is 00:26:37 It's in comedy. It's in life, obviously. This is bigger conversation than music or comedy. But if you said to somebody that's why i like what my friend's mom said about in therapy going do you have interest in understanding if you said to someone are you sure it's like i said before you're not too sensitive are you sure it's not you yeah if someone really heard you say that they'd go wow if they really want to give it on this answer they go i'm gonna have to take a week and think about that. And you say, repeat what I'm asking.
Starting point is 00:27:06 They should be able to go, what you're saying is I'm saying the whole world's sensitive. Could the adjustments that I'm being asked to be made, I'm saying maybe someone doesn't agree with you. They still have to repeat it and go, what you're asking me to sleep on, I feel like the whole goddamn world is sensitive. Get over it. It's comedy. Right? Yeah. The whole goddamn world is sensitive.
Starting point is 00:27:22 Get over it. It's comedy, right? Yeah. What you're saying is, are you sure I wasn't asked to make some adjustments willingly? Right. Because I don't want any performer ever to make adjustments that they don't feel from their heart. Obviously, I don't make these adjustments because,
Starting point is 00:27:37 oh, I can't say it anymore. No. That's how you know who's angry. That's how you know. Because they're angry because, oh, they didn't stop using those other words by choice. I can tell who you are by what you're angry at. So when you tell someone now, now it's the end of the road.
Starting point is 00:27:50 Now they're like, oh, God, because they're already mad at 10 other things that they had to stop, not wanted to stop. And that's when I go to the dad going, oh, I can't call my daughter stupid anymore. As opposed to a guy going, oh, my God, I don't want to. That didn't get the job done and yeah there's different communications yeah but if you said are you sure it's not you yeah also maybe they just don't want to write new shit no you're fucking spot on because like that would involve work i look at that that's what i'm saying too is like how i approach like when i talk to the crowd too i'm like i used to just like do shock value with like,
Starting point is 00:28:25 oh, you know, my dick, my, my cum, you know, like that stuff. Can I interject real quick? You'd be surprised how vulgar you, I like vulgarity. I love it. And I always say it during these conversations because I think people think, well, it's Todd saying, you'd be surprised how vulgar you can be and not be doing it towards the wrong people, not punching people that are already being punched. Don't punch down. I'll give you an example. Somewhere I went, oh, that's a little out of control.
Starting point is 00:28:55 But remember my theory, it's nothing. And when I make the announcement before the show, I say, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. And someone that knows that I try wrote me a nice email. They go, hey, you might want to. You know, it's harder to change your behavior when you think it's a waste now you might understand it and think it's worthwhile it's still hard but it's really hard when you think it's all for fucking nothing and i'm only doing it because i have to yeah but i didn't feel that way now it was still hard for me i still did my pre-show announcement every night went good evening ladies and gentlemen.
Starting point is 00:29:25 And in my voice, I go, well, you did it again. You did it. Explain this to them, though. You're behind the scenes. Yeah, I just do my own. Your stages. I just do the pre-show announcement every. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:33 Like voice of God. I want to invite you. And the email said, why not make it. Oh, yeah. No clues. Oh, ladies and gentlemen. You could say like, good evening, distinguished guests. Good evening.
Starting point is 00:29:44 Yeah, yeah. You know what? I already went so long. I i'm gonna go a little longer i saw a great tiktok and it really it was tiktok it was i do too so good man it's good for so many reasons yeah you gotta get my phone to be good tiktok you just gotta look at the right shit man let me we'll talk about that but i saw one on the non on the him and the her you know them on the pronouns and it was so beautiful the way the guy did it you thought he was on the other side and by the way this was helpful to me i'm i don't have to be to be on board doesn't mean that i have to admit it's hard and i go well what do i do if i like
Starting point is 00:30:19 that the how do i say that or how do i say that It's hard even if you want to learn it, but it's doable because it's a slow process. But I am having difficulty. And the guy said, he's walking, he's looking at the camera. He goes, oh, and I really believed it. He goes, now them and there, you can't say. He's like doing an editorial to the camera and his friend's holding the camera.
Starting point is 00:30:37 He goes, John, hold on one second. Somebody left their phone here. He goes, oh, they left it. Oh, I hope they come back. Oh, they, they, they, yeah. And I go, I think I know what he's doing. He goes, yeah. And then somebody asked him, I don't know. They're not back, but somebody left. You do it already. And that helped me go, wait, that's right. Them there. Oh, I hope the, you're, you're doing it. You're just doing what you already do in other situations. And you, cause why? You don't know if this person lost their cell phone as a man or a woman. So you just keep it general neutral.
Starting point is 00:31:09 That's great. Cause I saw a Tik TOK that was like the opposite of that. It was like some, you know, red hat guy being like, I don't believe in pronouns. It's like, you don't believe in pronouns.
Starting point is 00:31:18 They exist. You use them every day already. He like didn't understand that. Like even what a fucking pronoun was, you know what I mean? That's what he was more mad about that than like you know what i'm saying so maybe we don't need your take dude you just said you don't believe in an article of speech yeah i took it you know one day and i didn't even know it was right i asked a guest on my show who is uh identifies as
Starting point is 00:31:38 non-binary identifies as non-binary yeah and i said tell me tell me what you think of my take because you might i might have the right sentiment, but I could be dead wrong. I go, I was just driving down the street one day, and I go, what are the odds that when it comes to animals, there's fish, but then there's 50,000 types of that fish. There's a berry, and then there's 30,000. You know what I mean? There's molecules. There's one, and then there's subdivisions.
Starting point is 00:32:03 The spectrum. What are the odds? That's right. What are the odds with human beings we went okay well we want everyone to live a healthy life and identify as true as they can be so we'll uh guy girl we're done and I think everybody should be able to live within those. Now, yeah, maybe you can live within and gays. Okay. Too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:27 Yeah. Most people are gay. They'll always tell you I'm broken. Yeah. What are the odds? Why can't you understand if you want to understand interest in understanding, why can't someone go? That doesn't mean they have to explain.
Starting point is 00:32:40 It doesn't mean it can't be fucking confusing. What I just said, you go, Oh yeah, that doesn't seem like, and then it confusing what i just said you go oh yeah that doesn't seem like and then it sounds silly to almost insinuate you go guy girl i think everyone should be able to uh live within those confines and live a help help healthy happy life that's if it's just that you understand we have the most complex minds on the earth you know what i mean and you think it's like older yeah guy girl yep yeah all that Yeah. All that. But then we're going to do human beings. We got guy.
Starting point is 00:33:06 We got girl. We're done. Let's have lunch. But there's like, you know, 10 million different jobs you can have. And there's just fucking 10 million, you know, all that shit. And for someone that can identify, for me, to be honest, it's a little easier for me because I could probably even being gay, I could closely get to, you know, identify with. But what about the people that don't?
Starting point is 00:33:24 Yeah. And we'll all benefit. And what do you get out of making fun of them you know i mean the people that are like you can't do that it's like is that fun for you to make fun of these people well i will say this this is when i said i don't want my own opinions to come back and choke me my own analogies or my own sure i i think all i hope is that history because i look i do a bit about not believing in a traditional god someone could use that same what does it bother you why do you have to bring other people down so what you don't believe in god because i feel it hurts people me too so what i hope is that my opinions i i really do think anyone who disagrees with me we're all doing the
Starting point is 00:34:01 same thing the comedians that some that i love but adamantly disagree with me. We're all doing the same thing. The comedians, it's some that I love, but adamantly disagree with me socially. We're all doing the same thing, but history will write who had, history will write who, who, yeah, I get it. We're both yelling.
Starting point is 00:34:15 We're both yelling. You know, the social thing, but like, you know what you're talking about, vulgarity. There's a lot of vulgar stuff that wouldn't have been flown in the fifties that flies now.
Starting point is 00:34:22 The things you can say now, talking about sexuality and you can talk about being believing in god you can talk about not believing in god you can talk about depression women you know can look there's a lot of ways to go but women in stand-up comedy and i love it my mom asked me years ago how come mostly guys come up to you after shows and it's i go i've never noticed that that's now if you're a 12 year old girl the odds are you might see more comedy that you like so there's more young there's more young women also getting in the comedy because they've had role models of oh that looks like what i'd want to do right and it's it's it to me it's the most
Starting point is 00:35:02 exciting time to be a part of wonder how many great comedians or musicians we missed out on you know back then isn't it also just evolution you're saying this too but i'm hearing it as evolution yes it's like of course we got to evolve into being better people what are the odds we evolved in night whatever year that person's are gonna go come on get out of your own way yeah what are the odds we have thought we evolved in 1986 that's where it capped that's the way it's going to write yeah we evolved on reagan was president yeah you know what i mean you know most people if you ask them what they're okay with as a test they're all right with all growth that happened before they were an adult that got introduced to him as a young kid that's why when people say i'm all right with gay marriage i know
Starting point is 00:35:42 you're trying to say that because you're trying to but that was introduced to you well i'm talking about when things get introduced to you at 35 or 40 the older you get the more it's hard to take in new things i get it but it makes your art better and what you just said it just makes you a better human being but again i don't think people that don't do it are bad people. They just think it's a waste. They think this isn't real. Come on. And because they're not asking questions, questions are not statements. Most people are all right now with gay marriage, not because it got yelled at them and it got passed as a law.
Starting point is 00:36:19 It's because they couldn't hide. Their uncle was gay. Their friend was gay. As more people came out, they learned, oh, and that's what made the marriage. Oh, that made everything make sense. Everything they want made sense. So, no, you're not. When I asked him about non-binary, and I said, okay, outside of sports,
Starting point is 00:36:38 because that's his hang-up. And you could argue that, and you could probably get somewhere, but I wanted to go quicker. I wanted to go, okay, let's say outside of sports. and he said he didn't care i know he felt like i well that's the problem you don't care i go no no no no but but you don't and it's and you're afraid to say that that's really the problem it almost like respects on more so it's like i don't care well pat and oswald has a joke they're wrong but at least i'd be like well at least you're being honest pat and oswald it's a brilliant joke.
Starting point is 00:37:06 Patton Oswalt, I'll bastardize it, but it says, it says like come to the table with the truth. And you might think he goes, if somebody said, again, I might be bastardizing it. You know why too, you know, what my problem with two gay guys dating, two guys, oh, I guess the two guys dating is, problem with it, two guys making out
Starting point is 00:37:22 or two guys being sexual. You know what, you know what? It fucking grosses me out. Oh, yes. I know that. Yeah, yeah. I know that joke. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Thank you. That's a great joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you came to me with the truth. When you come to me, like, it's when people use religion. Look, if you want answers, you can't lie to your doctor what the problems are. You're not going to get diagnosed. Don't go with religion because then they're going to go, well, you married dad before.
Starting point is 00:37:45 You're going to pull out eight other things at that person. So it's not religion. So you're not going to get the answers you want. And when you say about non-binary or any of this identifying in the hurry to get there, I'm probably fucking up so many words myself. But when you say, well, what about in sports? That's not really what's got you. Because if we take sports off the table, you've never said, oh, well, then these beautiful people get to identify.
Starting point is 00:38:10 And I saw a documentary last week about a 21-year-old. He was born a boy. Oh, my God. I was crying halfway through. No, they care about the sports, but that's not really what your holdup is. So you're not knowingly. I don't think you're purposefully doing it. You're better off going back to the Patton Oswalt joke and go, the whole thing's
Starting point is 00:38:27 bullshit. That's what I think. Don't come forth because then someone believes you and then they invest in you and they go back and forth and they try to explain the sports thing and they go, well, it's like this. And that's not even the reason that you, you're, you're, you're not, you're unknowingly. I don't think they're purposely lying. That's not your holdup. Cause I think a lot of them don't want to be bad people. You know, they want to be good, but they're just like confused or they don't understand it or whatever, you know? And, and, and by the way, it's younger people too. It's not only older people, but let me tell you something. It's, it's as, as I said before, it's right as a human being, but I hope it keeps
Starting point is 00:39:01 me. I want to do comedy when I'm, I hope I can do comedy when I'm, you know, 80, 90, if I take care of myself and I know that if I slip now, I'm fucked. What do you mean? Meaning growing.
Starting point is 00:39:14 The bottom line is sometimes it's just hard. Like even if you're willingly doing, it is new things to learn. The, the, he, the, the,
Starting point is 00:39:21 them and the heat. That was hard for me, but I wanted to learn because I know I'm not going to look foolish. It's not turning around. Yeah. It's not going backwards. So it's okay if you have to let go of something you said five years ago. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:37 It's not a big deal. Don't do it angrily. If you're going to do it angrily, then don't do it. To me, have balls. For someone that still wants to say one word amongst comedians well i'll go a little further things i won't say in the podcast i go you want to say that then say that motherfucker say that if you want to be ballsy don't let go of it i know comedians that have let go of verbiage because they had to and i don't recommend that because that backfires in
Starting point is 00:40:03 everyone because you get angrier and angrier and angrier. You might think I'm arguing against myself right now. I'm going, no, do it willingly or do it proud and just go way back. Bring back words you used to say 30 years ago. And I will tell this story. I remember because he's never going to hear it. And I adored this comedian. He did song parodies. I won't say what his name was but this to me should be like you know
Starting point is 00:40:28 you know they say jesus died for a sense i don't believe that but you know what i mean like this should be the mother and he had a joke and it was a takeoff on knights in white set and it was called and i'm going to say because it just says how immature it's just i don't i don't want to in its entirety because it's a, it's a, if I didn't think it made a very clean point of holding on to language, it wouldn't be worth it. Nights in white satin. You've heard it.
Starting point is 00:40:54 It's like super famous. Yes. Nights in white satin. Is it moody blues? Yeah. I just wanted to hear you sing. No, I knew you did. You fuck.
Starting point is 00:41:02 Damn it. And he goes, and he would go now song parodies were very racist in the 80s and i asked somebody i go why was that like a year ago they go because that's the the fluffiest way you can then hand over racism and sexism it's got a beat they know it and it was nice and i and i if i didn't think this was that this that this was important it would to say because i think it can be a mod a mod, what do you call it in life? They, you know, you can look at it as a,
Starting point is 00:41:27 as a way to model a model. Yeah. Nights whites in Manhattan. This was the parody whites in Manhattan, never reaching the train. Negroes have mugged them and swipe their gold chains. Now look, before I judge him.
Starting point is 00:41:42 And if he ever fucking heard it, I remember to tell this every time i tell the story off stage i was there i was laughing and when i became friends with him i would recommend that song because i just i'm not because i was a horrible person but here what here's if you want to know what's sticking to verbiage like when i watch sitcoms that let go of it but they hold on to these jokes well i can get away with this i can still say that i this is what this will teach you what it looks like well he eventually before i knew him very well we go see him at the club he would go uh whites in manhattan never reaching the train black men have mugged
Starting point is 00:42:17 them and swiped their gold change still got a big laugh but he got away with it you know why because you couldn't let go of a gem like that he probably said negro on stage felt like a little not even boo just you feel a negro yeah yeah so he went to the drawing board because you can't just let that go right no i'm being my you know you probably felt like you know in the mind of that person, even lovingly, like, God damn it. It's a fucking joke, you know? And he couldn't let it go. So he reworked it.
Starting point is 00:42:52 Is that what you want to be in life? Does it really? Now that's 40 years later. Couldn't he have just let that song parody go? So to me, that's what I say. Like, let it go. So why are you so angry that life changes and it evolves? And you did that then.
Starting point is 00:43:08 It doesn't mean you're a bad person. It just means we're different now. But that song, he couldn't let that go. You know what I mean? He had to go, well, and it probably still works. I didn't have that word that need to say. It wasn't even the 60s, 1980. And there were a lot of racists.
Starting point is 00:43:26 In the 80s, it was pretty bad? There was a comedian that would get... And by the way, more important than bastardizing this comedian, I wouldn't bastardize him at all unless I spoke to him today. If I spoke to him today and he'd go, oh my God, I wish I could scrub the internet from that. You go, oh yeah, yeah. But I want to catch up with him because we were laughing at it.
Starting point is 00:43:43 So my judgment isn't only on this performer. I was there not only laughing at it, recommending it instead of, and the answer is if that went on then, then it's going on now. So it's not if it's going on now, it's go search for it. And if you can't find it, you're not doing a good job because it's going on. And I try to keep myself a better comedian by doing that. What is that equivalent today?
Starting point is 00:44:10 But he would sing, uh it was the black beatles this is in front of 300 somehow decent people in in philadelphia and these were not dumb people but he would sing ladies and gentlemen the black beatles and he would sing you know what it be and uh oh my god yeah you say oh my and then the whole crowd hands up in there what it be what it be because you just didn't know but now i know yeah now i know it and it and i used to say to my comedian friends how come only white people go out to comedy clubs i was not a moron but the reason i preface that is how could i not know and then the comedian will put in you know two chopsticks this truth really and go and do an impersonation of a Chinese person? So when I go that Twitter exists today, and it's a self-check maybe for people, they talk about silencing people.
Starting point is 00:44:58 Yeah, yeah, you silenced people because there was a period where you had a platform, but no one else did. So what? Now they can get on Twitter and tell you they don't like that joke. Now they get to do it. And like I said, they're not always right. The outcry is not always right. There's a but coming here.
Starting point is 00:45:12 Some comedians, thank God for music and comedy, that we ignore the pulse of certain people to be pure in our craft. The outcry is not always right. But my favorite part to say is, but they're not always wrong. Sometimes they say something and you go, wow. Okay. I want to, I can, you know, so I want this to stick with you because I know a lot of my friends behind my back, they have the shoulder list. They go, I'm with Todd.
Starting point is 00:45:37 If you're not with me a hundred percent, you're not with me at all. Yeah. Dangerous to you. You can't have your own little stash of it i go i know but with this one thing and you get together with your friends and you all lift your shoulders halfway up your head and you talk about i'm with it and i know the non-binary thing but be brave and just fight it but don't secretly do it without understanding it and if you're not going to change happily you're going to be a shitty your craft is fucked blaming on the pussy is canceled it's over it's done and i don't want
Starting point is 00:46:10 to play that fucking song anymore i've always wanted not to play that fuck i think you just don't want to play it though i don't want to play that song but i always have a cringy when i play it and i know my fans like it it's done frasco fans that song is fucking done you know what the other side you know talk about understanding people wow you're really growing your your fans are gonna hate me now your fans are gonna hate me because you're not you know why oh hold on all right i always say this when a corporation will go you know those if you're gonna do that you tell your fans you don't look pressured into it because i'm telling you if you you want to do that song, you do it. I know.
Starting point is 00:46:46 And I do it. Don't be, don't you? But if you creatively don't want to do it, then you tell your fans crystal clear. I am not being forced out of this. I, you have to speak loud because then it hurts the group even more. The people think, oh, Andy can't do it. And then they get mad at women and they get mad at transgender people. If you're going to change, you have to go, no, I happily change.
Starting point is 00:47:09 I happily change. I happily don't want to do that. I happily don't want to do that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's not even that good of a song. Do it now. It's not even that good of a song. Which one is it again?
Starting point is 00:47:20 Let me tell you something. Which one of your songs isn't? Give me the balloon. I need to hit a balloon. I cranked. I mean, I, let me tell you something,
Starting point is 00:47:29 you know, when, when, when I, when I listen to blame it on the pussy, I don't like, I didn't think of, you know,
Starting point is 00:47:34 at another level, not wanting to do that. I think women cheer for that song more than way more than men do. It honestly, it is so hard to fucking. Cause I knew that I don't, I don't feel comfortable singing that song anymore it's not it's an old song i get that but like everyone oh every night request that song let
Starting point is 00:47:51 me ask you a question though so people know you're you're look are you okay? Are you okay? People. People. Give me one. People. Yeah, hold on. Well, anyway, my sister, she got diagnosed with cancer. And then my dad, you know. And then we lost the farm. And that's all you need to know to not pay taxes next year.
Starting point is 00:48:24 I think we had a good talk. This is powerful. I think it is, to be honest with you. And, you know, I don't always feel I represent my point well. Sometimes I'm better than others. But I say that, like, I don't come to any of my conclusions on what's on the table now. Like I said, like when I said too far, give me the too far list.
Starting point is 00:48:46 So my instincts are to go probably everything they're asking for. And the other thing is keep in mind, this should be scary to a comedian. And by the way, some of these comedians and musicians that do this are people I love. Forget about the ones that I don't like their comedy, or you can think with music. What about the ones I'd like their music,
Starting point is 00:49:05 but they're, they're capping at their growth. So it's not always the people you love are the ones you want to, you want to, you know, and I always say this, the masses don't have a great reputation for change. No.
Starting point is 00:49:18 Would we agree? The masses don't. It's a great reputation period. And it's outside of social issues. They don't want to pick up the dog shit. They don't want to do anything. They don't want. It's anything new.
Starting point is 00:49:27 They have non-smoking restaurants. And they go, I understand non-smoking restaurants. But when you couldn't smoke at the ballpark, then it's. And I will be exaggeratory to. They had to make a law to make people wear seatbelts. Right. And they fucking couldn't. They didn't want to do that.
Starting point is 00:49:42 So masses are not good with change. They don't have a reputation with change. If masses had that. So masses are not good with change. They don't have a reputation with change. If masses had a rep, you know, they don't, they're not good with change. So when I hear a comedian, I don't have to get into the nitty gritty of it.
Starting point is 00:49:52 I go. So when I hear it, if it's Dave Chappelle, whoever it is going, the masses agree with you. That should scare you. That should scare you. Unless you think the masses be brave and go, I don't think
Starting point is 00:50:06 the masses have a bad reputation. The masses didn't want black people to use white bathrooms. Say it now. We had to have a war to stop slavery. Yeah. The masses and you want to ask someone now, if you were around was that wrong or right? So if you think the masses have a good reputation
Starting point is 00:50:21 go list it now. Tell me masses didn't want women to have jobs that were traditionally to men so when when he says that you think i need to go well what did chapelle say how could you make a comment on him if you didn't watch this special how can you this is larger than that special the he's saying what the masses agree and if you could inject a comedian or entertainer with a adult you know comedians are supposed to have a litmus test on absurdity. And if you could give them an injection of it, by the way,
Starting point is 00:50:48 people can say things and do things that are wrong and have aha moments. That's what we allow. I wish I had more in life, but an aha moment for a comedian would be, I picture him sitting around with his girlfriend at night and go and, Oh my God. She goes, what's wrong?
Starting point is 00:51:04 Well, I, the masses don't have a great reputation. And I'm nervous that most people agree you can't say anything. I mean, I know that. I'm very aware of that. Most people, and he should go, or any comedian go, the fact that most people agree with what I'm saying is not good. Right. The fact that most people agree with what I'm saying is not good. Right.
Starting point is 00:51:24 Unless the masses had a great reputation for new things being introduced to them. But this is not social. It's political. It's anything. It's dog shit. It's gay marriage. They don't want to call me. It's anything new.
Starting point is 00:51:40 And I had a friend's mom. She goes, this is just proof of it. This is so outside of non-binary or gay or women's rights. He's talking about fake vegan burgers. And she goes, and now my friend told me at work they're putting in beet juice. That's wrong. How is that wrong? It doesn't even involve you.
Starting point is 00:51:59 It's a food. You want to say, learn how to say different. Because my new favorite thing was to say gay marriage non-binary beet juice and burgers it's anything it's anything new and different that's what you're opposed to man it's bigger than social it's anything yeah i can go look at you from the last 40 years and i can make like graphs and charts and i've noticed here you never are on board you matter of fact if you were on board for some change people would give you i'd give you a better listen when you didn't want to budge because i'd
Starting point is 00:52:34 go whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa yeah yeah on the on the red skin and the red socks things they were they they got that they brilliantly did stop that when it was that word they brilliantly stopped it hold on if they're putting up opposition here let's give them a listen because this person is very pliable but most of the time it's every fucking thing that comes across them and they make themselves the victim and i and i'm telling you if there's a musician listening to this and you think i'm going on too long it's because you disagree with me because let me tell i could never go on too long too many people disagree with me if i could talk for another five hours, I would never get the amount of time that the opposing view has because they, they're bigger and they talk more. They're the masses. They're the masses. And, and, you know,
Starting point is 00:53:14 sometimes I'll get an email from someone and they'll be like, you know, I watched this special with my boyfriend and he afterwards, he goes, well, you're a girl, you're sensitive. And then I heard you talk about it on the podcast because sometimes people figure out maybe it's just comedy. You know how many people are tricked into thinking, well, it's just comedy. It's just comedy. So they think, oh, if I don't, if I complain about it, I'll look like I'm a stick in the mud. I'm not a stick in the mud. I defend comedy, but you know, I, I also, I also, you know, want to grow and change and, but they make you look like a stick in the mud. You know, if you're, I don't like Chappelle, you know.
Starting point is 00:53:48 Tom, how do you change their minds? Catch it every time. No, no, no. That's a great question. That's a really good question. And I always say, don't yell. Don't yell, but I yell. I hope I did a few things that if they look right away i said if you have interest in understanding so that's on your
Starting point is 00:54:12 own whoever you're listening but how do you change not not even change but how do you get them to at least start listening to you that's all we're trying to do is have a a conversation instead of like someone yelling that this is the way well they're yelling back this is the way how do we approach that and you might not like the answer i don't think you're getting yelled at now look everything happens i have you don't preface everything you lose people yes there might be someone that goes you say i'll make up an analogy you go uh oh uh anyway uh her you say her and then and they act like that group is waiting for you and then you correct yourself they go yeah but you're correct they're not waiting and pray the fact that you try yeah
Starting point is 00:54:55 they're they're usually melts their heart they go because if you're trying you'll eventually get it right yeah so when you feel attacked i'm not saying it doesn't happen sometimes it's like when people go oh i'm tired of being yelled at. You know, if you're sensitive enough to tell somebody to not use the word retarded as an adjective, you're probably a fairly, doesn't mean you're perfect, kind. So what are the odds you're trying to get people to stop using the word retard as an adjective and then you yelled at somebody? It sounds like you're probably the person that said, hey, why don't you try to stop?
Starting point is 00:55:25 Now, is there someone out there going, hey, you fucking idiot, you stop fucking. Yeah, but that's not the masses. If we want to have an honest conversation right now, does that happen? You better fucking believe it happens. But it's not the, it's not the, it's not 98% of the time.
Starting point is 00:55:41 Most of the time, it's like when you tell a kid, you can't have a cookie. He goes into the other room and he goes, daddy yelled at me. Now, mom overheard it. So she didn't really yell. He just said you didn't get what you wanted. You felt yelled at. So I think when people go, well, God, but, you know, we've we've talked about this earlier tonight. You just you can't even talk about it.
Starting point is 00:56:02 No, you're not talking and you're not. And the way they can't talk about how they want to talk, they can't talk about how it no you're not talking and you're not and and and the way they can't talk about how they want to talk they can't talk about how they want to talk they can't they go i don't want to change if they were honest enough it would sound clear as day though if they would go well you know what i can't do anymore if they took a truth serum i know i say that a lot but if put a truth serum on them they go you know what i can't fucking do anymore I don't want to fucking learn this shit and you can't do that you're right yes you're right on that so you you you fluff what you're feeling up because you'll feel like a monster the truth is most people go yeah if you just go I don't want to learn non-binary I don't it's like the Patton Oswalt joke well at least you're being
Starting point is 00:56:40 honest but you they make up well god now if you just ask a question or people yell at you. Hey, I got to tell you, I'm watching from you afar and I've heard people beautifully try to get you to stop. Hey, Todd, I am going to chime in and reiterate Andy's question. How do you bring it up to someone who's combative? How do you bring it up to someone that's combative? In what situation? Just, okay, you want someone to learn about this new idea of thinking who's a person who is arguing with you or you think is arguing
Starting point is 00:57:14 with you how do you approach them in a way where they will actually sit down and listen to you you mean a friend i'm really trying to listen. I think the point is like, it's different for every person, you know, like strangers. I don't think so. I think I know as humans,
Starting point is 00:57:31 we're all the same person. I don't know. I'll tell you, I might have an answer for you or your relationship. No, because it's, it's just conversating. So it's like,
Starting point is 00:57:40 it doesn't matter the relationship. You're just conversating about your feelings. The answer is for some people you can't, but whenever I speak like on a show like this, you know, for the people, there are people that change. I have to remember that. I'm one of them. I'm not, I'm not talking to all this shit. Cause I think I'm great. I'm just giving it a, giving it my best shot. And I, and I see the mistakes I made in the past and I the past, and I want to make less in the future.
Starting point is 00:58:06 Hold on one second. Hold on one second. So the answer is that most people that listen to this podcast have either shut it off. If they adamantly disagree with me, it's off already. And they hate the podcast. They hated it. I get it. But the reason there are people that are pliable and if that's only 10 percent of this audience or any audience you do what we just did um you just talk about it maybe we said something
Starting point is 00:58:35 that will make somebody go oh wow kids change their religious views and a lot of views and their political views from their parents yeah so it can be done but i think overwhelmingly you you know like i always don't try to give shitty advice on my podcast like sometimes i've given advice and then i rethink of it and i go oh if i wouldn't do that with my brother like advice i gave someone but then i picture doing that to my brother right huge fight at thanksgiving so i go oh that, that was shitty advice. So sometimes I say nothing, but the truth is I think some people, there's nothing you can do. They're too far gone. Really? And for the ones that you can, you do what we just did. Yeah. I never really asked tonight. Tonight. I really remembered to go, come on. How do you really feel? And we got more,
Starting point is 00:59:23 I think we got a little cleaner with like don't drop it because i'm glad i remembered that dropping shit and your audience your audience is very quick to say he had to drop it anybody that dropped stuff i wish that they would really go and back off of the group i did this on my own if you have a problem with me dropping it you got a problem with me motherfucker yeah that's who you have a problem with i'm a i'm andy fresco i do what i want i say what i want i dropped it because i fucking wanted to nobody pushed me into doing it yeah i grew and that way they lay off of who you're because it could be a song that you feel is you know sexist or it could be a song that's homophobic that way that group
Starting point is 01:00:01 doesn't get picked on because they that's why when you see a lot of celebrities apologize for something they said they're angry the next day already already apologize for it because they don't want to apologize too much where they lose their audience yeah you want to apologize enough to keep their sponsorship but not piss off their audience and the audience is very happy to go i know they did that because they had to if it's too heartfelt they're pissed their audience off yeah that's why they're angry right away they're always like i already dealt with this yeah monday why why if like if it's your fan base why can't you just be genuine about who if it's your fan base you're appalling to they don't lose them but you already they're not gonna you're not gonna lose them though bruce springsteen i'm sure has lost a lot of people over the years that's when they you know when they lose you that's
Starting point is 01:00:43 when they go i'm done with bruce springsteen i'm done with them but you hopefully you gain new ones it's hard to make that look you remember what happened with do you remember jim during the pandemic yeah jim gaffigan he was very vocal about some things and i missed this it it i think it might have lost him some fans but it gained some new ones and he's oh yeah on twitter yeah that's right yeah yeah so he's like i don't want to be locked in this shell of like you know i and but that brings another good point like what if you want to just like keep expanding like you don't like maybe like your old material was for a different like genre of people or and you want to keep growing into this different thing do you like totally not you just get rid of that whole group of people with that well i think it's a feeling i think if you're
Starting point is 01:01:31 if you look at like music over the past years you guys would know better than me isn't it like a slow you know you change nothing happens overnight you know like they say it's like success it it took him 10 years to be an overnight success you know what i mean it's like one of those things yeah like it's incremental and all of a sudden you realize it's different you know i i'm glad you reminded me hold on before you hold on excuse me you never did are you sure you're doing that right? Do you hate that noise? Do you hate that noise? No, I love it.
Starting point is 01:02:07 It's like we're at the carnival. Are you kidding me? If you had a cotton candy machine, if you cared. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Are we still saying what we're thankful for? Yeah, I think we should end it. By the way, can I say one thing?
Starting point is 01:02:18 I am thankful for this conversation. Thank you for giving me that opportunity. I know when you mentioned it, I wasn't going to bring it up, but I like talking about it. But I do have to remember to listen. Yeah. You have so much to say that you can forget to listen. That's why when Vinny said, well, Todd, he asked
Starting point is 01:02:34 a question, and you're, I try to remember to listen, but I felt like I got a chance tonight. So thank you. Everybody can just start, like, if someone, just call people they want to be called, you know? You call people nicknames all the time just call them the pronoun they want so maybe we're just thankful for being who we are that's what we should do i am who am i am how long have we gone apparently you're two and a half hours good
Starting point is 01:02:58 damn should we call we haven't even started on religion yet. Anyways, the Catholic church. I'm going to tell you something. You're going to reap. I could tell as I was talking, I could tell when someone's with you. You might not agree with everything I said. I agree with what you're saying. I'm with you. I try to say it in a way that sounds a little cocky.
Starting point is 01:03:20 It's past my opinion. It's past my opinion. I try to say it in a way that's like, like I said, the, the, the too far list it's, you should be,
Starting point is 01:03:29 if you think it's too far and you go back. So I try to say it larger than what's on the table. Like the history of the world. Like the, I don't, it has a bad reputation for being a great lawyer in the world right now. I'm doing nitrous. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:42 You know what I mean? You'd be a great lawyer. Cause you use precedent to define your point. It's funny you say that i used to say to make a good argument i call it um a therapist because i always need to remember to listen more so therapist lawyer detective yeah and maybe it could just be therapist lawyer and the reason is you have to ask questions out of out of sync other words, if someone knows that they're not going to give you their truth, if what you're saying is about to prove them wrong. You remember they had a commercial a while back and it was about like, uh, you know, uh, to get people to
Starting point is 01:04:14 stop using the word gay as an adjective. You know what I mean? And it said, how would you like if your name, and it was like a thing where they're going, however, this was like the cashier. So that's so Natalie. Yeah. But the listening audience is not going to go there because they know where you're going right so so so that's detective you ask questions i'm not you know you're not going to help me make my point again the m night Shyamalan twist right yeah you ask out of and i thought it was really funny and maybe ironic, but right now with, you know, if your name's Brandon.
Starting point is 01:04:47 Oh my God. Or if you're, if you're, I don't know what was going on with that. I don't know anything about that. It means fuck you. It means fuck you, Biden.
Starting point is 01:04:55 But if your name's Brandon right now, your mom can't yell your name out at a soccer game. Yeah. And also, you know, if you're, if you're, I really,
Starting point is 01:05:02 I'll be honest. If you ask someone, not if they thought they were trying to make your point, but like, you know, there you're, if you're, I really, I'll be honest. If you ask someone, not if they thought they were trying to make your point, but like, you know, there's a Karen out there going, and I have empathy. I get it. If they went, I hate this. I go, of course, I know your name's Karen. You got to hate this.
Starting point is 01:05:16 But that Karen still uses the word retarded. Yeah. To me, that's, oh, not even being aware instead of now i'm sure i hope to me there's got to be because we live in a big universe someone out there karen or brandon went you know i use the word retarded and when that happened i went oh my god my being is now in as a slang for something negative oh and then they stop using the word retarded that That's beautiful. But, but, but the people who don't even see that. And if you said to them, this is why detective lawyer, if you said to them, well, how would you like if your name was synonymous with something?
Starting point is 01:05:54 They go, I don't care. I don't care. Yeah. Oh, really? Because, because you know what? Be careful how you answer this question. So if you find out. There's only so many names.
Starting point is 01:06:03 You're next, you know? Yeah. it be careful how you answer this question so if you find out so many names you're next you know yeah and and if you ask someone if you ask somebody truth be honest with me so if you found out at work that they call you it's called it's called a uh a jonathan and you go what's jonathan whatever let's say there's a jonathan out there that uses the word that would use his name to make my point. Are you found that Jonathan means? And they go and at work, he goes, what's Jonathan mean? It just, I hear people use, oh, it's, it just means it's not about you, but it just, but it is. It means you're like 35 and you're probably not going to go anywhere in your life.
Starting point is 01:06:40 So why can't they just say, well, you're 30. That should be a niche. If you answer that, honestly, you think you want to? That should be a niche. Now, if you answer that honestly, you think you want to go, I wouldn't care. I wouldn't care. The truth is, the better answer is
Starting point is 01:06:50 because you're allowed to have feelings and you're allowed to go, oh, that would probably crush me. Yeah. Of course it would. Or at least make you think
Starting point is 01:06:57 a little bit. Think, oh, that sucks. Like if your name was synonymous with being, like instead of saying, you know,
Starting point is 01:07:03 instead of saying dumb fuck, it was tithe. Yeah. Even though I saying, you know, instead of saying dumb fuck, it was Todd. Even though I would go, Oh, so it would bother me. It would, it would bother me. But if,
Starting point is 01:07:11 if someone knows where you're going with that, they're not going to answer. But if your name was synonymous with something bad, don't tell me you, if you're Karen, if you're Brandon out there right now, you're going, don't tell me when no,
Starting point is 01:07:21 you're being honest. You're going to go. I don't think there's going to be a lot of babies named Brandon this year. No, or Karen or yeah. You're going to go. I don't think there's going to be a lot of babies named Brandon this year. You know, or Karen or yeah. Yeah. There's male Karen. I don't like the whole care. I like that people self-entitled get called on their bullshit.
Starting point is 01:07:34 Cause that's where it started. A self-entitlement this, this, but, but you know, I think, I don't know. To me, it's like, but can you say that the same thing with like, um, making fun of people from their race or their religion? Like, hey, he's a Jew. There's a Jew over there. It's kind of like saying you're a Karen. You know what I always say?
Starting point is 01:07:52 What are you mad at? What are you mad at? Are you mad? Don't use the name or don't. Just say what you're mad at. You know what I mean? Like when people would say like give names to things. Well, we'll just use you.
Starting point is 01:08:03 Come on. We have work. It's like instead of using. I said my point. I don't want to lose people that agree with me that's when you know you're in trouble people so what are you thankful for let's change this topic and end are you depressed jesus are you depressed answer us are you angry am i angry yeah yeah not every day but i'm angry right now and not be a little angry, but I'm angry. I'm angry right now. I'm not be a little angry. You know, I'm angry, but I'm, I'm angry.
Starting point is 01:08:26 I, but I'm overwhelmingly happy. Are you a spectrum? Oh, Andy, don't do that. If I'm trying, that's disgusting.
Starting point is 01:08:34 You have a droplet. Is that a drop? Yeah. All right, let's end this. All right. Happy birthday. Um,
Starting point is 01:08:42 it's Christmas. It's exactly Christmas day. Can I tell you? It is? I hope a musician friend of yours. I thought Thanksgiving. We've been podcasting for four and a half months. I hope a musician friend of yours gets this.
Starting point is 01:08:53 I have a safe word. It's truth. I really do. I mean, it's just. And it is my goal always to think of a musician or a comedian. The only comedian in my whole career that came up to me once and thanked me was Brian Poussaint. Oh,
Starting point is 01:09:08 I love that dude. He came in. He goes, you know, Todd, there's a few things I said and you, you, it goes and I go and I was like,
Starting point is 01:09:13 I hugged them and I got even a little like emotional. I was like, Oh, I do it. Cause you know what the fuck? I, I'm not trying to, you know,
Starting point is 01:09:20 you know me, what the fuck? I tried to take emotion and just dumb it down a little. I do it cause it's the right thing to do. But having someone say that. Why do you dumb down emotions? That's why I caught myself. I melted because I don't hear it that often.
Starting point is 01:09:30 And for a musician to hear what I said or a comedian, this podcasting go, wow, it got to me. And if they emailed me and told me that, because I think it's a drug. Complacency is a drug. Because I'll tell you why if I'm right people are not stupid but if I'm right that means all these people that are saying everybody's so sensitive see that means everyone else has to change but if I get through to them and that means oh it's me here's where I'm not gonna it's a lot of work if you disagree with everything i say and then there's a moment where you go wow he might be right you that's like wanting to get off drugs that's just because you want to do it man here comes the it's a lot of work and i think the
Starting point is 01:10:16 complacency is saying oh it's everybody else it's because then you don't have to change but if i'm right if i said if and you have to, you got your work cut out for you, but your music will be better. Your comedy will be better. You'll be a better human being. You'll be able to have young people in your life because kids don't get stupider. They get smarter. You know what?
Starting point is 01:10:38 That's what old dumb people say. Exactly. They go, oh, kids are getting dumber and dumber. Oh, you're coming to that equation because they don't agree with what you think. And that's what makes you think they're stupider? People with more information than anyone else in the history of mankind? They're stupider. Are stupider than you?
Starting point is 01:10:52 Who grew up without the Wikipedia? I don't know. You know, it's funny you say that because I always go, you know, when I go kids are smarter and smarter. That's not me jabbing an old person. They have more information they're smarter than their grandparents and their grandparents were smarter than their grandparents didn't you want it that way yeah don't you want the next generation to be smarter evolution goes back to evolution we're trying to stay on this fucking world well at some point it's going
Starting point is 01:11:17 to turn the other way we're going to de-evolution all i know is we're here to make other people breathe easier. Yes. So I just try to make all marginalized groups and anybody, I don't care who it is, breathe easier and have their back. And comedy is a powerful tool. And I get to speak on things that I have no, no education on. I get to speak on issues.
Starting point is 01:11:41 So I get it when I, but I hope 30 years from now, people will hear the words that came out of my mouth and go, well, at least I was right. Because I was using my platform to be able to talk on anything I want. Yeah. And I hope I was right. I saw an old interview where there was someone talking about not hitting kids in 1968. And Jerry Lewis was on the panel. Now, Jerry Lewis was a big star.
Starting point is 01:12:02 And he got to speak a lot more than the guy who – The psychologist in child behavior. The psychologist who was brilliant. Probably, yeah. And he was right, and he was clean. And Jerry Lewis – and I get it. I do the same thing. I don't have an education.
Starting point is 01:12:17 I don't have a degree. But so all I hope is that I'm right. That reminds me of this one time I saw Norm MacDonald, I think, on Bill Maher, and they were talking about – it was like him and, like, him and like you know he always has like a smart person and a comedian and himself and it was like he was asking norm about some important thing in the middle east he's like why asking me dude this guy's like a history professor at harvard you know what i mean like why don't you ask him i'm a comedian you know what i mean so you get to talk and i get it me too so at least be right at least no with, with no degree, at least I got
Starting point is 01:12:45 the right people's back. Yeah. And this is why I didn't have to say anything this whole podcast because I'm learning. I really don't know the right answer. Like I was, I had to interview, she was a, she is a man now and I had to refer to her as they, and my manager assistant is transgender. And I didn is transgender and i didn't know i didn't because i got yelled at once for calling someone girl because it was like a slave term and i didn't mean it as a slave term but she like stopped me right away like that's a slave term it was on the pod right yeah did you leave it in i left it in yeah i didn't cut it i'm like i'm gonna learn from this and when you say I'm not trying to corner you or anything.
Starting point is 01:13:27 When you say yell, do you mean corrected? Like if I went back and listened to it, would I go on a scale from one to 10? How yelling was it? Yeah, he's right. She didn't yell at you. No, she wasn't yelling at me at all. She was correcting me. Yeah. You felt, you felt probably.
Starting point is 01:13:37 I felt icky. And what my form of feeling icky is someone's yelling at me when really they're just probably just giving me some knowledge. That's what you were saying earlier. Exactly. exactly yeah you just and and you know what what i've i've i will say this is that you know sometimes let's say on a scale from one to ten ten could be just egregious well sometimes let's say a joke is a ten i'm saying ten's like oh my crap let's say it's a three it's like it's not that bad but you know what i like to go well you want to wait till it is you know you want to wait till your haircut's a mullet when you when somebody
Starting point is 01:14:07 says hey get a trim you go it's not a mullet yet would you you really want to you get it you only get a haircut when it's a mullet don't you want to trim your jokes you you're and because they expect me to go no that is a 10 i go no no you're right that joke that maybe you know you shouldn't do anymore 10's the worst it's a three so on my own merit i could, I could go, if it's a three, it's not that bad. Not unless you're a good comedian. Get rid of the three. You think it's going to turn into, you think it's going to get better? No, it's not going to be a one in six months.
Starting point is 01:14:32 It's not going to be a five. So trim it, trim it, trim it, trim it. And that was like something that you learned. And it's not you. It's not her. She just looked at all this verbiage and everything. It makes you, you know, they call it inhibiting your speech. My mom told me to say thank you.
Starting point is 01:14:49 My mom told me to say please. I never felt like, stop inhibiting my speech. Because she probably would have said, no, I'm actually trying to make your speech beautiful. And I don't think we're being inhibited. I think it's just about making your speech beautiful. And you can still be crass. You can still be vulgar. You can still say whatever your mind.
Starting point is 01:15:06 You can be more vulgar now than ever. On Saturday Night Live this weekend, they had on the weekend news update, they had a whole bit about abortion. Imagine if it was 1970. They could have never done that. It was a clown who had an abortion. That was the whole bit. I'd love to hear you say that because you're part of a few that would take to
Starting point is 01:15:23 you couldn't do this stuff it's not everything isn't worse maybe you're just dumb and wrong you know not you but whoever's arguing against it's like you you couldn't have a toilet brady bunch watch brady bunch sometime they don't even have there's no toilet in the show because you couldn't show a toilet on tv so like i don't know i just don't agree that like everything you know yeah well they talk about oh you couldn't people watch the you know archie bunker that's you't know. I just don't agree that like everything, you know? Yeah. Well, they talk about, Oh, you couldn't, people watch the, you know, Archie bunker. That's, you know, and they go, you couldn't do that anymore. Go look at what's on television. Yeah. There's a lot of crap, but guess what? There always was. There's a lot of brilliant stuff. And for those who think
Starting point is 01:15:55 you can't say anything anymore, you know what my question is? And from a gentler place, Oh, what are you, what are you trying to say? What are you trying to say you're trying to say bro i gotta ask yeah i gotta ask what you're trying to say because go look at television it's almost unarguable or getting their heads blown off and it's like pg-13 bro so i don't know what you know you're right and the people that i adamantly talk about being able to say anything you want talk about being able to say anything you want the people that i adamantly disagree with some of them are saying it on netflix which i'm okay with i'm saying you could say what you want but i'm allowed to react yeah we both have rights yes the first amendment goes two ways yeah and
Starting point is 01:16:37 they're all and i am and i'll tell you the truth i am fucking fed up with you know people go oh they're so sensitive i'm not i guess i'm sensitive I don't want to say that anymore. But this isn't where I'm being sensitive. You mean like, yes. Yes, specifically to this cause. It's not my sensitivity taking over. It's that I'm correcting you. You're not even being like extreme. You're not even being extreme. You're just having like basic human empathy.
Starting point is 01:16:58 You done? I just want to have fun again. No. No, I'm just kidding. You're the one that brought up. Yeah, no, no. This is a conversation.
Starting point is 01:17:10 Art, my fan base needs to have, and I'm glad I'm doing it with you because if I asked anyone else in my friendship group, Nick, maybe, but you fill it. Shut up.
Starting point is 01:17:23 Don't chill. They're going to, they're going to, they're going to maybe they're going to do the same thing. Go fuck yourself. What dois, shut up. They're going to disagree. They're going to do the same thing. Go fuck yourself. What do you mean? Exactly. That's what they're going to do. I'm going to maybe what?
Starting point is 01:17:31 No, Phyllis means go fuck yourself because she's saying no. Come on, I say it. No, what he's saying is no one in my family. But you're saying you do. You oppose. You disagree. I agree with him saying no one in my fan group would be able to hear and no one else would have said it.
Starting point is 01:17:48 No, bitch. I have a degree. In. In. In. You're saying out of most of your probably most comedians you interview and most of your friends, they're feeling they're fed up you can't say anything.
Starting point is 01:18:04 No, no, no. I'm saying when I ask them about this, they're they're they're feeling they're they're fed up you can't say anything no no i'm saying like i can't act when i ask them about this they're not giving me an honest answer i always give you an honest answer i'm not talking about you nick i just interview i interview people every day i don't just interview you i don't talk i talk to you but like when i'm asking questions that are deep with shit i'm uni for a second well i'm not it depends when i'm asking people that deep shit and i know they're backpedaling i know they're not being completely honest on what issue specifically social issues or their romance their life romantically or like are you talking about like what we just talked about for the yeah just being honest with the how they approach life and how their vision on how they judge people are and
Starting point is 01:18:48 whatnot. And I could tell when they're just trying to play it safe. Yeah. And that's just not being honest. Right. And you know what bugs me about that more than anything? First of all, I have kept things.
Starting point is 01:18:59 If somebody is not saying something cause they're just a little scared that I can have a level of empathy for. But what I don't is when they try to brand themselves as a warrior. Yeah. Because you usually found out, Oh, you're not a word because you dropped all that other stuff. I can tell what, what you're arguing to say now, what you, I can tell whether you dropped it on your own accord or not. It's just math. If you're still arguing to say the word retarded, you might, there's a strong chance you're using the N word because it's the math if you're still arguing to say the word retarded you might there's a strong chance you're using the n-word yeah because it's the same thing you look you could you could tell me
Starting point is 01:19:32 why it's different you could tell me 50 reasons why it's different but how about you tell me two that it's the same don't act like it's a horrible analogy if you're still because it's instead of using the word instead of saying you know that's gay you say i don't like that when you're still, because it's instead of using the word, instead of saying, you know, that's gay, you say, I don't like that. When you're using someone's being as an adjective, I can tell what you're fighting for right now. I go, oh, and I know I said it before, but I'm going to say it again because I think it calls them out for it. I'm looking, I'm following you and I know, you go, how would I know? I didn't ask them. I don't have to.
Starting point is 01:20:03 Because it's the same thing. you go how would i know i didn't ask them i don't have to because it's the same thing if you really drop the word gay out of your adjective out of your at your own accord yeah if someone goes why did you drop it out and you went oh because i'm a wordsmith i should be able to you know i can still be crass i don't have to use a you know and you did it from your heart well when the next crosswords of taking a word out of your act you've already been down this road before you're gonna go oh i made this mistake with gay i'm not gonna use this from the start so when i see they're still trying to say this word i know that you've been dropping stuff out of your act and a lot of and and that's and that's what i'm saying so don't don't paint yourself a warrior if you're if you're dropping a lot of stuff out of your be honest you know
Starting point is 01:20:44 you're not paying you're painting yourself a warrior but you're not a warrior because if you're, if you're dropping a lot of stuff out of your, be honest, you know, you're not paying, you're paying yourself a warrior, but you're not a warrior because if you were a warrior, put, put all that other shit back in. You go, well, Todd, I'm going to say only because of my own head.
Starting point is 01:20:52 I don't think I'm saying it clear enough. Todd, how do you know they didn't take it out of the act by what they're fighting for? Now I can go, you don't have to tell me. I don't have to ask you. I can tell what you dropped because you because you were pressured into dropping yeah really wouldn't it be worse wouldn't it be better to be a warrior
Starting point is 01:21:09 in the other direction too like fighting for the marginalized well i always say that you know don't you get tired of coming in last like even if you just did it because you want to be like proud like you're always you know i hope a picture those guys and i'm going to stand up they they're always coming in last you know they're like i know a few comedians i'm not going to get the end of a marathon for the people listening which is everybody they come in left all right i'm okay with that yeah well okay at least you change that's what we want but don't you what about when the next thing comes along why don't you drag people into decency instead of them having to drag you into exactly and that's how i feel i made mistakes in the past but i'm trying to drag people into decency, instead of them having to drag you into it. And that's how I feel. I made mistakes in the
Starting point is 01:21:45 past, but I'm trying to drag people into decency as opposed to, and sometimes someone will help me. It's going to go both ways, but I just want once in a while, there's other issues that are going to come up. Someone's going to help me with, and they're going to go, Todd, and I'm going to go, oh, okay. Thank you. Thank you. But I just want to be sometimes where I am helping drag people into decency. I don't want to come in dead last am helping drag people into decency i don't want to come in dead last always and you know and do you feel like you're always in dead last no no not at all i feel like like i said i can look back at my old comedy and go wow you know i see we're not horrible but i'm you know i i don't fight it i never fight it i never fight it you ever meet
Starting point is 01:22:22 dave chappelle yeah and what does he say about his comedy? We feel we're just completely adamantly feel differently about comedy. What's he say about it? I saw a transgender comedian go, I wouldn't want to hear someone talk pro-transgender for three specials in a row. It would get a little much. Look, but he's doing what he thinks. I get it.
Starting point is 01:22:41 I've said that before, and I want to be real clear with it. He is saying what he believes, and that's exactly what I'm doing. So I get that. I don't want to say something, like I said, my own words choke my free speech. He's doing what he feels. I feel he really believes it, and he's saying it, and I just disagree. But if someone said he should be stopped from saying it, I go, no, no, no. I don't want him stopped from doing what he does.
Starting point is 01:23:04 I just want to be able to yell as much and say what I feel. And history will tell, you know. Well, this is a perfect Christmas dinner conversation. I thought this was Thanksgiving for some reason. No, we're moving it to Christmas. All right. This needs to be for, okay. It's Christmas now. Can we do a Christmas song?
Starting point is 01:23:26 Can we end with two Christmas songs? Yeah, I do want to do that. Can you sing off stage? Because I noticed, you know, whenever I try to get you to sing off stage, you don't really want to.
Starting point is 01:23:34 I asked you to do jokes. You don't do jokes either. You did an hour and a half on cancel culture. Give us a five. Give us some five. Give us a five. Five minutes? No way.
Starting point is 01:23:42 Yeah. Give us five minutes. I'd like to say fucker, not motherfucker. Give us five minutes. No way. Yeah. Give us five minutes. I'd like to say fucker, not motherfucker. Give us five minutes. Okay. Hold on. We're going. You want to hear some standup, Phil?
Starting point is 01:23:51 Come here. Todd's giving us five minutes. That's right. Hold on. Can you do a longer chord? Yeah. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
Starting point is 01:23:56 Anyway. So can I get a round of applause? Ladies and gentlemen, comedian Todd Glass. Todd Glass. Thank you. You know, sometimes something will bother you, but then you really just start eating at you. The thing I can't take anymore, when I'm at the grocery store,
Starting point is 01:24:13 and look, I'm a guy that people can do different things. I'm not a guy, oh, New York's better than L.A. You know, some people go, oh, New York pizza sucks. Fuck you. It might not be your favorite type, but we can all like different pizzas. You know, people do that. They go, oh, Chicago pizza. I can't stand it.
Starting point is 01:24:26 Really? If you were hungry and you were in Chicago and someone brought you to the best Chicago piece, you're not going to be able to swallow it. You know, I can't even get this down. So I try to accept that people are different. But one thing I can't get over, and it brings it anger in me that I'm not proud of. By the way, for the people listening, I'm standing up and I'm doing it like stand-up. It's truth.
Starting point is 01:24:47 Everyone is moved around the table. So when people don't help bag at a grocery store, I can't take it. I can't take it. It's some things that I get. Oh, people have a different opinion. I can't believe I'm not doing comedy and no one's
Starting point is 01:25:03 paying attention at the table. I lost the whole crowd. What the fuck happened? I'm bombing. Okay, hold on. Let me get my rhythm again. You got three and a half more minutes, class. So I see this person and they're not helping bag.
Starting point is 01:25:20 They're just standing there. And other things that people do, I get. Like if somebody, there's things people do wrong and I can get into their head. I go, I've done that. Or the cart, I get it. They should put the cart back. But that, I can't get okay with it. I sit there and with the mask, the only good thing is that this happened during I was wearing a mask, is you can curse under your breath a little better with that mask on.
Starting point is 01:25:42 Because I'm sitting there and I'm like i'm going again i see people do things that are wrong but i can use empathy or you've done that you know it's wrong you used to do it but with the standing there i sit there and i go how can you be such a tub of shit you tub of shit and i hate their face and their button everything about it how do you stand there with you tub of shit and i start because where i want to know and i know i i want to know to where i know if i can't yell at them but i want to maybe see them and go okay if i give you 200 can i interview you because i want to know like how do you do it seriously i'm not being how do you do it how do you stand there like this
Starting point is 01:26:22 now people that are listening can't see it but literally just picture stand there like this? Now, people that are listening can't see it, but literally, just picture you look like this. Someone's bagging your groceries. You stand on the other end. And just because you lift one fucking bag once it's full into your car doesn't shit. You just sit there. Let me tell you something. That says more about those people than you think.
Starting point is 01:26:42 More about that. If you talk to their family, what do I know about that person? Delusional, delusional, no self-awareness, no self-awareness. That's what it's about. This is dangerous for you. It's like someone,
Starting point is 01:26:55 they have to put a sign up at the ice cream place. It goes four, three sample limit. You know what that tells me? Lunatics, lunatics. Not, I didn't say, I wouldn't get one sample, but people are allowed to do different things, I get it. People are allowed to get samples, I would.
Starting point is 01:27:11 But three? You know what that says about you? You're out of your fucking mind. If you ever ask for two samples, you know what that means? If you ask for two samples, I'll tell you what it means. You know you're not in touch with your youth, you don't remember what it's like to be a kid, because there's a young kid behind that counter
Starting point is 01:27:25 and he don't want to fucking give you samples and watch you giggle about flavors of ice cream. It's not cute, you fuck. One sample, that's it. If you get three samples, they had to put a sign up.
Starting point is 01:27:40 Three sample limit? Are you shitting me? They should have said, go fuck yourself after two i'll clap that people back in the day they used to have a lot of samples i don't know you want me to keep going yeah give me one more minute one more okay one more minute okay see i told you i would do it it's christmas i'm giving everybody a treat. It's Christmas. Okay, so some Vicodin. Merry Christmas, Todd.
Starting point is 01:28:09 These are Vicodin. Really? No. Chewable Vicodin. By the way, one time I had never mind. Anyway, okay, give me another What else? What's new? Do I have anything new I could do? What's your go-to joke when you're at the family reunion?
Starting point is 01:28:26 You think I get up and do stand-up at the family reunion Andy what is wrong with you no I don't even have a family thank you thank you Phyllis as she pointed out I was about to go oh my family reunion family reunion where are we where we have a family reunion. I don't have family reunions. Where are we? Where we have a family reunion. We get together for Thanksgiving. And you think I get up and do stand-up? What am I, a lunatic? Well, I'm doing it now. I was asked.
Starting point is 01:28:51 It's Christmas. It's Christmas. What about, what joke has killed on the Gaff? Give me a top. Oh, a joke? What? What joke is, what new joke has killed on the Gaff Cantor? Oh, well, actually, okay.
Starting point is 01:29:02 Now, remember, I am standing up. So I open up a little differently now. All right, tell me. So I come out on stage, and this is true. Like, I just started doing this. Because you have to win them over. Jim goes, you don't have to give your credits. They know who you are.
Starting point is 01:29:13 Because it was getting a little long after a while. You might have seen him on this. You might have seen him on that. But it's off mic, so it's not. He goes, Todd. And I go, Jim, I'm so thank you for saying that. Because I'm glad you're comfortable to tell me. I love that he said that to you. No, he goes, you just go, Jim, I'm so thank you for saying that because I'm glad you're comfortable to tell me. I love that he said that to you.
Starting point is 01:29:27 No, he goes, you just go, ladies and gentlemen. He goes, I go, ladies and gentlemen, I introduced myself. So I go, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Jim's special guest, his best friend in the entire world, Todd Glass. Come out. I go, all right, folks, I'll do it. I'll just commit right now. So, hey, everybody, how you doing? I know you're probably wondering if I'm going to suck.
Starting point is 01:29:44 I'm wondering the same thing of you. So let's both be on our best behavior. Nobody sit back. I'll prove myself to you. You prove yourself to me. Now, I'm going to tell you how long that I'm going to do, and I'll tell you why. I do 20 minutes. And the reason I bring that up, not that you don't like me or an insecurity, but Jim and I, we're talking sometimes when we go to see Axe, and they put on like three hours worth of acts. So tonight, you know, 20 minutes. And that's not that much, right? 20 minutes.
Starting point is 01:30:12 Guess what? We're already down to 18. And then Jim comes out. He does 20. And we have a good night. Big laugh. Because obviously they want him to do more than 20. And then I just continue with the show.
Starting point is 01:30:24 And then I just go on. But it sort like lets them know how long and then they know with music I think they typically know that there's going to be a lot of bands
Starting point is 01:30:33 and that's how people fall in love with good music but with comedy I think you know what you taught me when I was when Kyle was opening I should sit back down
Starting point is 01:30:40 if I'm not doing stand up yeah sit down way to go Todd Glass how was that Todd Glass you know I feel like I could do more down way to go dog glass i was doing okay um we're done though we are done it's three hours we gotta eat three hours it's like two more hours is this hat yours how does joe rogan you have you ever done like a four
Starting point is 01:30:58 hour podcast you know sometimes to tell you the truth i'm in the mood if i wasn't like i can be in the mood i get it you think if it was started I'm in the mood. If I was, like, I can be in the mood, I get it. You think if we would start at, like, 2 in the afternoon, it's easier to go earlier in the day? I feel fulfilled right now. There's a point when you do a podcast where you feel fulfilled, and I feel fulfilled right now. And I didn't want to end on,
Starting point is 01:31:19 even though I think what we talked about is invaluable. Valuable. Valuable. No, invaluable and viable are the same thing. Oh, then I'll just say valuable. Very valuable. I really do. I want it to end silly.
Starting point is 01:31:30 And it's Christmas and Thanksgiving. And this is my... This is your episode for Frasco. You're the star. For me, it drops earlier. It drops earlier. This is my podcast. So happy November, everybody.
Starting point is 01:31:42 Happy November. Happy November 11th. Armistice Day. Todd, I like to end every podcast with, I want you to motivate our people to have a great week. And this is, for my podcast, this is Christmas. I want you to motivate people how they're going to have a better year next year. Oh, that's so hard but i
Starting point is 01:32:05 can do like more teeny little tangible things like that i have that i sort of do in my own life to like help me appreciate the little things you know i do it well and one of them is i'll start with the the it's it really does help me certain days again this isn't like some you know to say in life that yeah it's too too much pressure but little to sometimes, sometimes if what you're dealing with, with stress, at least the way I feel, it depends how big it is. You know, it depends how big your problems are. You know, it's like, you know, no one's going to this advice. And if they're, if they're having a major problem in life, it won't work. But it was a friend of mine who was paralyzed in a, in a car accident. No, he dove, I'm sorry. He dove into the ocean years ago and he was paralyzed
Starting point is 01:32:50 from the neck down. I don't tell that story to be sad, but he said something one day and it really impacted me. He goes, you know what I miss the most doing chores. And sometimes when I'm just doing chores, it works again. It works because it works because it's not that hard to make it work. It's like sometimes I'm like walking down the street, maybe I'm on my way to CVS, and I think he said that, and I'm like, oh, shit, now I got to go there, and then I don't have this, so I got to go to Target, and I just change it completely different.
Starting point is 01:33:21 I slow the pace of my walk down, and it really helps me just doing chores. Right? And the other thing, on a littler, I try to sometimes take these stupid little things, and it's tangible and it works, like peanut butter and jelly or grilled cheese sandwiches, let's say. They're so cheap, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:33:40 But we don't really, we're not celebratorial about them. Like over the years, oh, we're going out to a steak're gonna if you never had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or a grilled cheese and you were 35 years old and you were going to france i know it's a weird way to look at it this has to do with what you said and you go and someone goes oh you're going to be in france if you ever had a grilled cheese and you went no you go they're 60 but get one they're they're just and then you had it and it was crunchy and you'd be like, oh my God, like sushi. People go, I eat it every day, but it's expensive. Peanut butter and jelly is the same thing. If you never had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and someone said they're real expensive, but you're
Starting point is 01:34:14 going over their house, it's everything. It's candy. It's food. It's the bread, the peanut butter, the jelly. Make a big deal about that. Set the table nice. Light a candle and eat grilled cheese sandwiches or eat peanut butter and jelly. Lower the lights. Make two peanut butter and jellies each and really pretend like you're... And they are that good. So try to take little things and just
Starting point is 01:34:37 present it a little nicer. Lower the lights and be more celebratorial about some things we might just take for granted because they're a nickel. God damn, that's good. Merry Christmas, Todd Glass. I love you. I love you, too.
Starting point is 01:34:53 And this was a lot of fun, and we're going to go have fun. You like Nick? He's cool, right? Nicholas is great. Yeah. It seems like we've known each other. Did I remember the names? Whatever.
Starting point is 01:35:02 No, no, no. I meant not Nick. I meant not Nick, Nicholas. Either way. Take your laugh back. I think we got along great. You should be embarrassed. No. No, I get why he's laughing.
Starting point is 01:35:12 He thought it was... He thought that I said... He thought it was a triangle, but it was a straight line. No, didn't he think I was being like, oh, you're lucky I remembered your name when I wasn't. I'm like, I go, I remembered what we talked about. Nick or Nicholas. Nicholas. I don't mind. I like when people call me
Starting point is 01:35:26 Nicholas. You can call me Nick. Sing a Christmas song to close up. What do you say, Nick? He probably doesn't know any, you know? No, we're going to try. I don't want to. Can you put reverb in post? I want you to try. We're all going to try. I'm going to put the mic down because you'll be leaving.
Starting point is 01:35:41 Really try to get us. Come on. It'll be a beautiful way to end the show. What's a Christmas song? Like, which one? Silent. Do you blame it on the Christmas pussy? Blame it on the presents. Blame it on the Christmas pussy. Blame it on the presents.
Starting point is 01:35:58 I'm... No, you go on. Come on, you start it and I'll help you sing it. How about Silent Night? No, a Christmas song. Pull it up on your phone. Have a jolly, holly Christmas. Have a jolly, holly Christmas. I don help you sing it. How about Silent Night? Have a jolly holly Christmas. Have a jolly holly Christmas.
Starting point is 01:36:09 I don't know. Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Oh, what fun it is to ride a one-horse open sleigh. Hey! Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Oh, what fun it is to ride in the one horse. Oh! Also, other winter holidays merry christmas goodbye you tuned in to the world's favorite podcast with andy fresco now in its fourth season
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