Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 155: Clyde and Gracie Lawrence

Episode Date: January 18, 2022

Andy continues to fight off the sloth of post-tour life. What was he doing at age 23? Nick reveals newly unearthed evidence of a primordial Frasco band. Also: musings on nerds and their unholy revenge upon society. And on a very special season 5 premiere of the Interview Hour, we welcome the wildly fun, Lawrence! Brother/Sister Clyde and Gracie talk about doing school work in green rooms, their history with Frasco, and the elusive quest for fame. We love Lawrence. If you don't already, you likely will too. Did you know we videoed this whole conversation? Get your voyeuristic rocks off now by tuning in via youtube.  Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Friends (A Song About Friends)" on iTunes, Spotify  Gorge yourself on some Lawrence: lawrencetheband.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Brian Schwartz Arno Bakker

Hey, it's Schwartz. Listen, I just watched your new video podcast, which is amazing, the video element, video component. Nice work pulling it together. I do need to know who the editor of the podcast is because I've got two corrections to send in to the editor. I'll just tell you now. One, fuck you, Nick. Actually, there's three. That was one. Two, One, fuck you, Nick. Actually, there's three. That was one.

Two, sensitive? That's a correction. We need to correct that Brian Schwartz is sensitive. I mean, I am sensitive, but you're not going to ever see it, and you've yet to see it. And two, or I should say again, three, the other correction is that I don't give a shit about the podcast and that I belittle the podcast. Are you out of your fucking mind? I help you every day on the podcast. I try to push this thing up the ladder daily.

So, you know, you can talk shit all you want. And, Nick, again, fuck you. But you guys can talk shit all you want, but at least talk factual shit. What are you, Republicans now? Get your shit together. Bye. Hey, one more thing. Any other manager that had to put up with your shit after you're going to

a bender would fucking jump out the window. Just remember that, all right? Because this isn't all on me. I'm not perfect, and I'm definitely a part of the problem with our poor communication. But it is so difficult and challenging to deal with you the day after you've been on a bender.

You should never talk to me the day after you go on a bender. And by the way, you shouldn't go on a bender. Bye. And we're back. We're back. Season. Is this episode one? This is officially episode one.

I was going to ask. Of season five. Okay. Yesterday was just, or last week was like. Hey, we're back. Hey. We're testing out our shit. Hi.

Test run, but it turned out pretty good for a test run. It did. All right. And we're back. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. This isaving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. This is my co-host, Nick Gerlach. Season five.

And this one is, we have a guest. A good guest. Two guests, technically. Right? People who aren't pessimistic about the goddamn music industry. You're just never, you know, you're never going to be satisfied. It's a tough industry. Here's the thing.

No one ever tells you it's going to be easy when you start out, do they, though? No. Anyone who's ever older than you in the music industry goes, don't do it. Don't. You dare do it. They are dead in their eyes. Don't. Don't.

Go get a job. Start a family. And we just truck in, and then we're like, this is hard. Yeah, maybe I am just not satisfied with anything. I don't think you... Why do I feel that? Why? It's like, do you think I'm like...

I've been like that since I was a kid. Really? Just like never, like, I've always think there's something better out there. Well, I think that's healthy on some level, but you do, it's a bit chronic with you, isn't it? Yeah, and it gets me fucking spiraling depression sometimes. But it's also you're like sometimes an asset. What do you mean? Well,

sometimes our biggest curses are our best assets too. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. That's why you're such a hard worker. Yeah. If you were satisfied, you wouldn't,

you know, be working and fucking 12 hours. Imagine if you weren't an alcoholic and you were this driven, you'd probably be president of the United States by now. Oh man. That's why I drink so much because I'm like fucking just using my...

No, I think you're just like alcohol. Let's not overthink that part. I think you just like getting drunk and having a good time. Diagnosis complete. Wow. Thank you, doctor.

Yeah. But we got Lawrence on the show tonight. Love that band. They're fucking badass. So let me get it clear. It's a sibling duo. Yes.

And then the band is like... They're a band, but they're not related to the rest of get it clear it's a sibling duo yes and then the band is like but they're banned but they're not related to the rest of the band but they've been together forever we we had them open for us five years ago yeah i don't think they'll be open for you anymore huh not anymore they blew up they are huge i watched the uh they're huge i love georgia alabama game last night they were in a commercial what what commercial it was something from microsoft surface maybe or microsoft like were they in it or was this their song their song Georgia-Alabama game last night. They were in a commercial. What commercial? It was something from Microsoft Surface, maybe, or Microsoft. Were they in it, or was it just the music? Their song. What song?

Yo, let's pull it up. I don't know if it's on the internet yet, but Don't Look Back, or what is it called? Oh, Don't Look Back. It's kind of about the music industry. Bobby. A lot of those songs. He kind of about the music industry. Bobby. A lot of those songs. He actually talks about the music industry in like the third line.

I'm getting sick of the industry. Yeah, he also has this song. It's with, I forgot. Here. What's his name again? Clyde, right? Clyde. Clyde and Grace.

There's this song I really love. I've been playing it a lot, actually's called yeah don't lose sight is what you're talking about don't lose sight not don't look back yeah um but i knew the melody even afterwards class false alarms is that the one with the rapper john bellion yeah yeah yeah he talks about just like getting tired of always uh fucking from my interpretation maybe because i'm thinking of this as the music industry, it's just like expectations of the music industry. It's like all these false alarms.

I think that's kind of what's good about their music. It's sort of general enough that it can be about whatever you want to be about. I'm going to ask Clyde when he gets here. Also, they're really good at writing about everyday mundane life situations and then kind of applying it to a more general. The lyrics are dope, actually. Clyde is a fucking powerful songwriter. It's actually pretty crazy how good he is at singing, playing piano, and...

I think they both write, right? I don't know if Clyde is older. Someone's 23. Tracy's like 21. I don't know how old they are. What was I doing when I was 23? That's a good question. They both write, don't they?

I actually have a video, though. Of what? What you were doing when you were 23. You weren't quite as successful. No. Let me pull it up, actually. Hold on, hold on. Where are you going to finish your thought about Lawrence?

Sometimes he'll write a song about some everyday thing, but it'll be something that applies to something more. They're just really good at every phase of songwriting, which is really hard to do. And then the production's good. They seem to have really good attitudes. I don't know. Me and my girlfriend listened to that weather song every morning.

I give her a ride to work in the morning a lot. She loves that band. We're going to see him on Thursday, but she loves that song, the weather. We listen to it every morning. It's like a calming first thing in the morning. I like that.

Yeah. Oh, that's great. So, you know, I start my day with Lawrence. I wish I really was like, you know, when I was 23, I was

focusing on the marketing and never focused on the song craft until I was like 28. Really? 29, yeah. I was just like worried about throwing a party. Well, I mean, you know, that's different though. What do you mean? Well, I mean, that's your thing though. I wouldn't go to Lawrence to have the same party I'd have an indie they have a party now yeah but it's a

different kind of yeah a little more controlled yeah and but like if i would have like dedicated music early like those guys i feel like i'd be who knows yeah who knows but then you might not be have the other side of you so what are you saying you have a video of me when i was 23 it's your plane hold on let's your plane where'd you find this the internet yo play yo Bo oh my god

this is oh yeah this is a song this is when there's Gonzo too damn look at me dude so you're 15 I think 23 Okay but I love this

So this is just like It's like one of your first big shows or something Yeah Who were you opening for? Like Casey and the Sunshine Band or something Look at Ernie Chang Look at like the Matrix This is clearly

Oh my god dude This is clearly some situation where like You guys are way overhyped and way too... Still, the cougars out. The cougars are out. Look at that. I don't know about that dance. You retired that dance move, huh?

I retired all that shit. The legs don't go up as... I love Ernie. This is a classic young sax player move. The tucked in dress shirt with the dress pants at an outdoor rock band. This is the first time... Pause that video for a second. Hold on, hold on.

I want to hear this for a second. Look how hot you are. Jeez. This is when I was smoking two packs of cigarettes a day. When I first started smoking. What were you going to say? I forgot. This is blowing my mind, dude.

I can't believe I've been on the road through this since fucking 19. This is my first crew. The bass player, dude. I can't believe I've been on the road through this since fucking 19. So this is my first crew. So the bass player, Matt... This is like one of your first bands? This is the first formation of the band, or second formation. So Matt was the guy. I used to manage

his band. That's the guitarist? Simply Lost. This is the tech guy? No, this is the other guy. This is... He was in is no this is uh the other guy this is he was in the band who's the first guy he stayed with me for like six years he was like a metal dude and he quit because why i think he quit i don't know why he quit i think he was just probably me i was like we weren't making money we all were making a 500 bucks a month well that's enough to get by in la oh yeah so much we're all living in our parents house

but we'd stay on the road so like, we were only getting paid like 300 bucks a night so this is like the first show we got like a thousand bucks. I love how hyped

you were getting to open for Casey. It looked like you were headlining Red Rocks. You had the energy of like you were going into the championship game or something.

Oh my God. And you walk out and it's like a fucking... I only knew how to play three chords so I hired Clayton from Iowa. Yeah, now you know four. I know four shut the fuck five and four on the east coast

holy there's a girl in the band emily palami singer uh singer she was we me and her used to work at a guitar school or guitar like lessening school and i used to book the venue at that school and we'd hang out all day and we hooked up and she was cool. Well don't put her on blast.

No we hooked up we were still friends. Oh you're still cool? Yeah we're still cool. Oh that's a thing. Yeah like we're homies like and she was a great singer but like once we

hooked up we couldn't be in a band together because we started fighting a lot. Yeah. I want to play a little longer. This is embarrassing.

Well yeah that's the point. Look at that dude. Oh. Look at that, dude. Oh. Look at those glasses I'm wearing. Okay, so you're talking about the guy with the white guitar. That's Clay. Oh, that guy, Matt.

Oh, that's Matt. That was when we did... Oh, dude, that was when I had Microsoft. Yes. Dude, this is... This story's so good. Oh, 19. I had people at Intel,

the people who invented the cloud and Microsoft and stuff you had some social media site with him right yeah they want me to help them create a music this is 2000 I was 19 so 2008 this is what year was this this is 2010 yeah so this is like right

so 2000 probably 2009 I met these guys from Intel and stuff 2010? Yeah, so this is like right... So 2000... Yeah, about 2010. Probably 2009. I met these guys from Intel and stuff. Uh-huh. And they asked me to build a marketing plan. And then I built this out. We were calling a... I'll probably... We'll bleep that out.

Why? Because I might get sued. Oh, it's like that? Yeah, they... Well, they fucked me. How could they sue you? I don't know. You should be suing them

them and Blastie's motherfuckers I actually never went anywhere at least so it's not like I was young they wanted me to be the poster boy for the new social media thing 19

because I was like hustling I was like in the music industry I was in LA and so they take me to this meeting of the minds where all these like scary

capital like trust let me guess what happened trust what do they call it? venture trust like let me guess what happened trust what do they call it uh venture capitalist oh let me guess what happened before you tell me the story you can tell me how wrong they took your idea and didn't give you anything for yes yeah that's what that's what those meetings are you got to go show up to a lawyer with those things or with a lawyer to those but i was so excited i was meeting the head of intel meeting the head of microsoft you're

gonna probably get stock and they i had to do a speech about the head of Intel, meeting the head of Microsoft. You were going to probably get stock. I had to do a speech about the state of the music industry because I was working on Atlantic Records then. Oh yeah, I remember this. I was working for Fueled by Ramen. I was working at Capitol and stuff. I got fired because I sent Atlantic, or it was Warner Music Group at the time,

a letter like, you're doing everything wrong. I sent them a like a 40-page marketing plan of what you should do to restructure fucking Atlanta. 19-year-old. I was like 19 and just... You need to restructure your entire business. Like, who the fuck is this guy? You're fired.

So they fired me. I probably would have fired you too, to be fair. Yeah, true. And Intel, like, that I was a rebel or something. They just ripped you off, basically. Yeah. And they took me on tour. Then they gave me like 10 grand to make a live record.

It was going to be the first live record on the social media. What I learned now is basically they were just test-dumbing the cloud and selling the patent for the cloud and not the patent for the social media. So they put my hopes up so I could teach them about how social media works for kids. They were supposed to give me 20,000 shares of their stock.

Oh my God, that's like $6 million now. Yeah. And I got fucked. And they blamed it because I was, the live album that I gave them back,

they said, I need to go to rehab for weed. What? Yeah. This is why I hate nerds. I'm over nerds. Me too. Go away. Mark Zuckerberg, get out of here.

Nerd. This is why I don't trust anyone in the music industry anymore. They get bullied their whole childhood and then they're geniuses and then they get these billion dollar companies and then they take it out on every cool person around them. I know. Fuck these people. I'm so over nerds being in charge. It's not good if they become in charge. Why?

Watch a sci-fi movie. Every bad guy is a nerd. I saw that in Spider-Man. All the bad guys were like these nerdy scientists. Yeah, they're mad because they didn't, whatever, you know, when they were 18 and they're taking it out on the world, but they just happen to be computer geniuses, so they

have $3 billion so they can do it. Zero personality people are running the world right now. God damn it. I'm scared. Why? You're right. Nerds! God. But this is why

I've been so bitter about the music industry. Ever since 19. When I was happy, I am a lover of the music industry. I'm a lover of the music industry. I'm a lover of the music industry. I love every aspect of it. I love going to marketing calls.

I love making budgets for fucking records and tours. Yeah, gaslighting your manager. Gaslighting your manager. But, riding in the van. And they totally fucked

that whole thing. They fucked the whole thing. Yeah. I mean, it's not going to get any better. I don't know what to tell you. Oh, man. Spotify, baby. Speaking of that, let's

talk about our sponsors, Repsy. Well, they're like a good part of the music industry, though. Yeah, they're helping bands out. They're casting light, you know? We'll talk about them then. I want to talk about them. Bands, sign up for Repsy.com it's easy

you can put your band profile up there you can have the boys out there in Alabama help you book some shows fraternities festivals clubs they're cool

they're probably in a bad mood today they're probably in a bad I don't know they're probably in a good mood they're Alabama fans oh fuck they lost but you know what's like

I'm sorry you only won eight of the last ten years. That's what I said too. I wasn't feeling bad for my Alabama fans. I got a homie in Birmingham, Jamie, diehard Bama fan. Flew out to the game. That guy was watching Alabama basketball. Yeah, he loves Bama. And you know, I was like,

should I call him and text him? Oh, haha. Or like, I don't feel bad for him. They've won eight times. They win all the time. Their basketball team is killing it this year too. They might make the Final Four in basketball. I do feel bad that maybe Repsy feels bad.

I like them. They give us money. Sign up for Repsy.com. It's easy. It just helps. Your agents are working hard right now trying to book the next year because everyone's stepping on each other's toes. So you might as well sign up. They're not going to take your agent's cut.

Yeah, but I'm going to every week. And if you don't have an agent, it's even, they'll take a little cut, but it's worth it to have someone. A little cut? Oh, now it's a little dip? Well, if they don't have, if you don't have an agent. Oh, yeah, if you don't have an agent. They'll take a cut.

So sign up for FC.com. 85%. Nothing big deal. A little off the top, you know? The money goes to them, then they'll send you a check after the gig. It comes in a birthday card. Oh, shit. What were you doing at 23?

I don't have any clue. No, I had just graduated from college. No, I was out. I was like a gigging sax player kind of. I had this band, the Twin Cats. We were like a fusion-y. We used to open for Humphreys and stuff like that. Wow.

And I was working at Sam Ash sometimes. Right. I live in Indianapolis. Oh, that's cool. It was okay. It could have been worse. It could have been better. What do you mean?

Just my life when I was 23. Were you like nerdy? Were you? No, I don't think I've ever been. I do nerdy things, but I wouldn't say I'm like a nerd. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Like what? No, no, I don't. I'm not that nerdy. I mean, you hang out with me all the time.

Yeah. You're not nerdy. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, but maybe like inside, like what you don't show the world. I like him.

I do have some nerdy things. Like what? Like playing saxophone is a little nerdy, right? A little bit. I was in the middle school band. Ooh, hot. No, it's nerdy. Why?

What? You didn't pick on all the band kids in high school? No. I feel like it's the same thing as like someone playing middle school baseball. You're practicing your craft. I know, but they don't think about that. They don't think of it that way when they're 13. Really? No, but I didn't really get picked on.

I think there's like band kids and then there's like band kids. So there's like a difference, right? That's the thing. There's like band kids that are like I was in band because I like to play music. But then there's these other, this dregs band kids that are like they don't fit in anywhere socially.

There's no cuts in band. So they join like, and there are no cuts in bands. So they join band and that's kind of their, they're real weird. A lot of them are weird. Yeah. Harry Potter type kids, you know? Yeah.

And they're all the ones that can't play and they ruin the whole image of band kids, I think. Once again, nerds. Ruining it for everyone. Just go away. Take your $3 billion and go away. He's already bought half of Hawaii. He's probably going Take your $3 billion and go away.

He's already bought half of Hawaii. He's probably going to ruin that. Yeah. Zuckerberg. He did? He owns like some

obscene amount of acreage there. Really? Those Bezos and they like try to, you know like all the beaches that are public? Right.

But they do this thing where they buy the property that leads up to it and you can't get to that. Oh. So shady. What? God, they're just so mean people, these people. Nerds. Since I got

picked on when I was 14, I guess I can take it out on the rest of the world for the rest of my life. I know, I'm talking about Mark Zuckerberg. I was pretty short though when I was a kid. I was 5'2 in my freshman year of high school. 5'2? I was really short. I was the shortest kid in my freshman year of high school. Really? Yeah. 5'2? I was really short. I was the shortest kid in my class until like sophomore year.

Were you like a little skinny dude or what? Yeah, I was a little kid. Little kid. Did you still have like the same like fucking... Yep. Like there are pictures of me when I was like four years old not smiling. Shit to do, man. Damn.

Who's stone face like that in your family um we're not a goofy bunch yeah definitely not i guess my mom's side's a little more stoic than my dad's side they're all like british you know did they uh were you unsatisfied as a kid no i had a pretty decent childhood really could have been better. Could have been worse. I don't know why. How do I, I don't want to go back to that. Why the fuck am I unsatisfied with everything? I don't know.

Something in your DNA. Are your parents like that? My mom isn't. My mom is like that. Really? I would have said it was your dad. Because he works in real estate. No, my dad is like, he gets, he's cool.

That's a good, like when you work in a commission-based field, like never being satisfied is a good trait to have. Yeah. Without making money. Yeah, it's like, I think it is like when i was a kid my parents were always like oh you got to play this sport or you got to do this you got to do something all the time oh yeah that's because they didn't want you in their house i know that's what i'm thinking yeah it's not because they wanted you to try all these things my mom did the exact same i had a single mom kind of yeah a stepdad but and like, dude, she had four kids. And a lot going on.

And a full-time job. And it's just like, I was like, signed up for everything. Yeah. It's like free babysitting almost. I know, but it made me feel like I'm not satisfied unless I'm just working all the time on all these different things. Well, it's better than being a lazy ass. Yeah.

That's true. We had this conversation. Like, I'm still, I'm excited. Like, we're only playing on the weekends all year, really. And I'm just so excited that we have something to do during the week. Exactly. This podcast. Yeah, I mean, you gotta have something to do all day. You're right. Yeah, I think that's what

makes me happy. When I don't have anything to do, I'm fucking sad. Yeah, that's why you never stay home, ever. You gotta work on this. What is this thing where you just can't stay home at night? You gotta go out. You get FOMO bad, huh? Yeah, I get FOMO bad. Or it's just like, I don't know what to do in a house.

This is why I don't sleep in my bed. I know. That's the same thing. So what is that? I live in this amazing house. Let me set this up. So Andy's got a cool house here, whatever, blah. He goes out every night in Denver.

Okay, it's Tuesday. He's going, like, you go out every night, and you don't even sleep in your own fucking bed when you come home. You sleep on the couch like some sort of vagrant. Like you're coming home drunk, and your wife won't let you sleep in the bed. And you're some, you know, Irish Catholic

dock worker. Yeah, why do I... And you snore all night. But no, you live here alone. What is this? 3,000 square feet? I don't know. I'm bad at that. Whatever. A lot of room. Got a nice bed in there. There's a TV in there. Why don't you sleep in the bed? I think because I've been on the road for 15

years and I've slept on couches. I don't think that's it. What do you think it is? I don't know, but I don't think it's that. When you were a kid, did you sleep in the living room on the couch a lot? Yeah. I did too. I used to get yelled at all the time. I would sleep in the basement at my dad's and he'd get so pissed. What?

Because dads just like you to be where they want you to be. You know how dads are. They like the order. Yeah. I don't know. I slept in my room a lot. No, I really didn't. I slept on the couch.

You were close to your cum drawer. My cum drawer. I'll get back into that. Oh my God. We talked about that last week, didn't we? Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, you told everyone about that.

So gross. God, I am a gross human. You're an open book, unfortunately. I know. This is why women are staying away from me. No, they're not. But they're not getting too close. They're not trying to

make me a boyfriend. Let's get back to this. Why can't you just stay home for one night and just watch a fucking movie and go to bed? I don't know. I think it's my anxiety. When I'm alone with my thoughts, I'm just in my house. I'm thinking about... What's wrong with being alone with your thoughts?

I love being alone with my thoughts. I know. I don't know. It makes me nervous. I feel like if you did that, you'd get a lot of thinking done. Yeah, and I never have any bad thoughts anymore. I'm just waiting for a bad thought. It's like I'm waiting to get cancer.

I'm waiting for... It's scary sometimes when I think. You shouldn't think about that kind of stuff because you can't do anything. I try not to think about stuff I can't control. I know. Why don't you try to just three nights next week not go out? I did that last night.

I'm going to do that tonight. No, you're not. You're going to end up. But when I watched the game, I fell asleep at nine. Oh, no. See, that's the thing. You have Bo here now. So now you have a person around.

Yeah. It doesn't count. I know. So I'm still not alone. We got to work on you learning how to be alone. I know. People think you're alone, but you're never really alone. I'm never alone.

I'm always with everybody. You're with like 300 people at all times. Yeah. Anyway. Is this your parents' fault? Yes. I'm just kidding. Maybe because I was always alone.

Oh, here we go. Maybe because I was always alone at my house. I was always by myself. Were you a latchkey kid? Yeah. I was just always like my mom was old, didn't really, you know. Your parents had you older, right? Yeah. So she was like kind of done with fucking parenting, I think.

Yeah, both your sisters turned out really good, right? Yeah. I mean, yeah, they have the same issues. From her angle, you know, she did like, they're all, they have careers and lives. Totally. But like emotionally, from, I don't know anything about my other sister, but the close one I'm with, Steph, we have the same kind of issues

well that could also be genetic DNA things my mom has that same issue you're a lot like your mother's child, aren't you? yeah, my dad was working except the party side probably if I become a father I'm going to be more like my dad

how he raised kids because I'm never going to be there I'm going to be more like my dad. How he raised kids, because I'm never going to be there. I'm going to be working a lot, pouring. But emotionally, I'm like my mother. I don't know. Do you want to have kids? I have to go back and forth. Like right now, I can't have a fucking kid. Well, you can.

I'm praying I don't. It's not that hard to not have a kid, actually. I've done it for a long time now. Me too. But it's the same thing going back to like, I'm expecting cancer. I'm expecting. Don't compare a child to cancer. No, but it's like, I'm thinking of the worst thing that could happen.

Yeah. Like, I don't think about like the great things that a kid could benefit into my life or a dog. I think about the other stuff. Yeah. So do I. That's why I don't have kids. Anyway, let's go and interview Lawrence.

Maybe I'll ask them about their family life and how they were raised. It's got to be weird touring with your sibling. Yes, that's the first question I'm asking. That seems impossible. I want to get the real answer. They seem like they really get along, honestly. They do.

Can't fake it. It helps that they're both good. But there's got to be, like, you love your brother, but you always have to have a fight with your brother about something. Every single time we talk, it's some sort of contest. They're closer in age, I think, though, right? I don't know how far. I don't know anything about their ages.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I think they're close to age. I think they're a couple years apart. But I don't know. It seems know I think they're close to age I think they're a couple years apart but I don't know it seems like they get along well

you ready for the interview yeah ladies and gentlemen please enjoy my next guest they're amazing musicians songwriters

their band is killer they're brother and sister Gracie and Clyde I think you're gonna like this interview I don't know what it is yet because this is the first time we're doing it with a video podcast. Hopefully it's good. I think it's going to be great. Those guys, we've been getting closer and closer

through the years, but please welcome to the interview hour Lawrence. I'm calling him Larry. I'll call him Larry too. Hey, Larrys. I pulled them all out, now I'm fixed back in. I can't win. I'm overly critical, so sick of typical me. I hide the freckles above my knee. I'll be whatever they want to see.

But then I tell myself, you, you're kind of looking like a street a stranger Clyde and Gracie in Denver, Colorado. What's going on? Well, we're playing a few shows because some people in our band had COVID on the last run of this tour. So we have to make up some shows now. Is that weird to like when you feel like everyone's clapping at the end of the tour? Yeah, we finished.

Oh shit, we got to do some makeup dates. did you really feel like this is the end of the tour no this just feels like what's funny is that uh these dates were on the fall tour poster and then they got canceled but then we had a spring tour already planned and so now these dates are also the first dates on the spring tour poster right so like this is kind of just this weird middle ground where it's between so i still think that we were able to feel like when the fall tour did end it was a celebration it felt like it was over and this is just this random like gotta go back and just kind of do the work some stuff that we yeah you know what i mean yeah what's the hardest part about uh you know it's like when you see all these shows starting to sell out and stuff and

then like you're worried like the reschedules they got to be kind of stressful to like, oh, are people still going to come out or people, you know, it's like, is that a weird feeling? Yeah. Especially now because like COVID just changes every single day. So it's really hard to ask people to commit to come to a show when they don't know what state of the world is going to be in X amount of weeks. Totally.

Or if it's going to get canceled again or someone's going to get COVID again. Yeah. But shout out to y'all. You already got the COVID. Let's go. Let's fucking go. We're back to making work.

I'm so scared to see what the other buttons do. Oh, they're moaning. Oh, that's funny. I'm not getting any of this. I like that he said I'm so scared what the other buttons do and you're like, oh, it's totally nothing. They're're moaning. Oh, that's funny. I'm not getting any of this. I like that he said, I'm so scared with the other buttons too. And you're like, oh, it's totally nothing. They're just moaning.

I love, by the way, that you were like, yeah, we could do shoes on for the interview. And you're just fully barefoot right now. I love that. I am always barefooted. I love that. I want to talk about New York. You guys grew up in New York. All right.

I feel like a lot of local New Yorkers really learned how to like, I don't want to call it the hustle mentality, but like really learned how to like put your feet into the industry at such a young age. Like tell me about your mom. Tell me about your dad. Tell me how you got. Yeah. I mean, I definitely think New York's a part of it. I definitely think our parents are a part of it. Our dad is a screenwriter director. I would say like he taught us so much on the creative side about just the importance of good storytelling across all kinds of art. You know, we think of songwriting as just like a form of storytelling and whatever it is, stand up comedy, talk show, no matter what it is, it's just like trying to captivate people with good stories. And our mom is a dancer, so there's obviously a lot of crossover into the way we think about music. But then I think New York also just, whether you want to call it the hustle

or just your exposure to a lot of different people and just the idea of being independent from an earlier age, just literally having it be your responsibility to take the subway of being independent from an earlier age like just literally having it be your responsibility to take the subway home from school at an age when most of our friends were that were in new york would be picked up by their parents or whatever i think it just teaches you to like think a little differently about how to navigate the world a little bit and i think in terms of hustle i think that like I don't know that's an interesting question like would you say that like our parents like artistic backgrounds helped teach us the

hustle not really it's two yeah I think it's two different things I mean I think what New York and our parents taught us was that like we were capable of making things happen for ourselves which i guess is a version of saying the hustle but it wasn't so much about like getting so much done in a certain period of time which i feel like hustle maybe indicates but they were definitely like the city and our parents and our upbringing really made us have this sort of innate confidence to make our own shit happen yeah in some ways i look at people that didn't grow up in a place like new york and didn't have parents that worked in the arts as having the most hustle because yeah like new york is where everything's happening or one of the one of the you know five places in america where like there's a huge hub of like where most

people would move to if they're trying to do it right like and so it's like us we were already there like we already lived there we already knew the city we already knew people in the city we had already seen from growing up what it looked like to live as like a self-made artist from our senior as our parents so in some ways I actually have like the ultimate respect for people that like grew up not in New York and grew up without any knowledge or contact to that world, because that's like the ultimate hustle to try to make those inroads for yourself and to like move to New York and be like, I've never been here. No, that's totally true. I agree with that.

Did they force music and arts on you or did you just, you just had, you woke up and you were like, damn, I want to be part of the art. Yeah, definitely didn't force anything on us. Even to the point of like, I wanted to be an actor from a young age and my dad's a director and like, there was just no part of, like he never wanted to take me to auditions because, not because he wasn't incredibly supportive but because he didn't enjoy being in that part of the environment where it felt like a lot of people like kissing up to people and just that sort of there's a little bit of a toxic environment and

he was so supportive of me and wanted to help me prepare anything like that but you know just being in the world of it that feels very like show business parents. It was really that he didn't want to, my parents are like the opposite of stage parents. They don't want to be in the environment of like, you know, the P the parents that are like forcing their kids into any version of arts. Seems like a lot of the kids who force them become fucked up later. Yeah. I mean, we're fucked up, but not because of that yeah what is it because of um just all the things that happened after we grew up you know once we entered into the world really that was really what i personally fucked me up like what like going to college i go to brown

uh no i mean i'm kind of kidding but um probably just no i mean you're fucked up no yeah i'm fucked up that's not loose but i think it's a combination of like, you know, what's in my DNA, what I've experienced in the world, being a woman, every, oh, my mouth's dropped. You know, all the classics. I want to talk about those years, the brief college years of Crazy Lawrence. When I knew you.

That was when i met you like i'm going to brown everything i was in brown when we were on tour i would be doing my homework next to you in the green room shut the fuck up i didn't know that no i was enrolled he was a freshman at brown while we were on tour together on tour with you what was that six years ago it would have been uh it would have been 2017. Yeah. Oh, five years ago. And so also what would be happening on that tour,

which is hilarious, is that I was getting, I was trying in any way possible to get college credits. So I researched that the school gives out internship credits if you're doing a job outside of school and you do a minimum amount of hours. And I talked to Clyde about it and we were like i should be getting internship credit for being a musician and being on the road so then but someone had to be overseeing it and like writing a report at the end of it and this is all legit like nothing was faked about this but like either Clyde or our manager at the time would like write up a little report at the end of the week to be

like Gracie played these shows and she hit this note and she like did, she played tambourine really well. She sat in with Andy Frasco and St. Louis. They're like A plus. They just see a picture of me chugging. Oh, what the fuck are you really doing? That's crazy. So did you didn't graduate? Did you know? So what happened? why'd you decide to quit um well quit feels aggressive um no I mean I did quit but I it was just the combination I went back for my second year um for a week and I was there for a week and within that week we played a festival I like flew out three times within one week um to be with the band and also to go home for auditions and it was just crazy like I wasn't even it wasn't even a choice it wasn't like I was having this you know difficult

decision of like I love it here but I want to do it was like I can't be here there's no I can't even find classes that would allow me to do what I did I can't be here there's no I can't even find classes that would allow me to do what I did last semester I think I had sort of a fluke situation where I was I figured out a way to have a certain number of classes in order to get through the year and I didn't have that the second year and I liked college it wasn't a like fuck you to the system it was just it was seems fun. It was super fun. Great school. All of them went there. Yeah, like we all went there.

The rest of us all went to Brown and we were playing shows at Brown while Gracie was in high school. So Gracie would come up almost every weekend. So Gracie had already had- I felt like I had college already. Gracie had been to like, Gracie had been, not only been,

but been the performing act in some ways the center of attention of like a of dozens and dozens and dozens of college parties. You went to Brown? Yeah I went to Brown. The whole band That's how y'all met. Yeah for the most part there's some nuances within that but yeah like we grew up with a

couple of them and then I went to Brown with a couple of them and then the rest of them we met at Brown but yeah no we were like a brown college band that's like where we started at at brown in providence rhode island and so we were just cutting our teeth playing like frat parties and shows yeah house party and your 17 year old yeah younger younger i mean grace you what's the craziest shit you saw when you're 16 at these parties? I don't know. It wasn't like... Brown is like... No one's going to...

I don't know. You never came up to Dartmouth with us. I did come up to Dartmouth with you guys. I definitely... We sometimes played the other schools that were a little rowdy. Brown was kind of like a chill place. I mean, isn't it an Ivy League school?

So it's got to be hard to maintain your grades and shit. Yeah, but I think that some it an Ivy League school? So it's gotta be hard to like, you know, maintain your grades and shit. Yeah. But I think that like some of the Ivy League schools go pretty hard from a partying perspective. I think that Brown just has the reputation of being the kind of like more chill artsy one. So like the parties were never like, I mean, they were definitely like whatever, but like they, it wasn't like the,

it wasn't like what you see on like animal house or like, you know, the crazy like frat party type thing. But that does exist in some other schools and we definitely played at some. Also, we went to high school in New York City at a school that the partying was pretty like comparable to college partying. How did you deal with not burning out? I mean, you're doing musical, right? We do a musical when you're younger. burning out? I mean, you were doing a musical, right? Were you doing a musical when you were younger? We were writing a musical. You're writing a musical.

You're in a band traveling. You're going to college. And then you have this acting career. How did you deal with the mental health of this whole thing? Getting stretched everywhere left and right. I think weirdly when I was younger, I feel it more now.

And I have to make more of a conscious effort now that i'm at the ripe old age of 24 to like to uh hit it i'm gonna clap i felt the impulse um to to like care for myself a little bit more i think at the age of 17 or 18, I was running on two hours of sleep for, you know, so many, for those few years. And it was just this crazy adrenaline rush period of my life. And I definitely like was emotional and had super highs and lows throughout that experience in a definitely probably unhealthy way, but it didn't hit me in a real way until probably recently, or even during the pandemic when I was still doing so much work, but I was home and I had more of the opportunity to reflect on the amount of stuff that I had taken on in the past few years. Yeah. And like, how do you, how do you deal with that?

Clyde, you guys are writing partners, right? right yeah so when she's always busy and stuff like how do you like get her to like stay present to like he's always busy too like yeah i do a lot of other different things like what well i do a lot of uh music for film and television whether it be writing songs for film or tv shows or also like doing full like instrumental score, composing scores for. That's how I first knew you. Right. You were in some Hugh Grant movie.

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a deep man crush on this man like heavy I went into everything well to just turn the camera on you for a second I was recently watching the Gary Goldman HBO thing and I saw that you did the score for that that's such an amazing

he's a New Yorker too I'm such a huge fan of his Goldman he understands New York and he understands oppression. I'm such a huge fan of his. Goldman is, he understands New York and he understands oppression. You know, it's like one thing that I didn't understand until I started talking to him and like how, how hard it is to like get out now,

how hard, how easy it is to get burnt out from all this stuff. I mean, you're scoring your, what else were you doing Clyde? Well, I do a lot of scoring and songwriting. I do a lot of stuff for the band.

And Gracie and I are really partnered on a lot of the creative stuff for the band. But then we also have our own different responsibilities within the band. I'd say that I'm very involved in a lot of the business administrative side of what it means to run the band in a way that Gracie's not. So when she's focused, when she's doing an audition, I might be working with Jordan in our management and whoever else to be working on booking the next tour or budgeting the tour or any number of different things. Also, I'd say that I'm a little more hands-on involved

in some of the nitty-gritty of the production of the Lawrence music. Gracie's definitely very involved on the writing level and on the, on the production too, but there's definitely enough work for me to do with like Johnny and Jordan when Gracie's not there that like, we are more kind of like the producers of the songs, so to speak.

I would say there's a lot of times where i'll be there for like the first day of production of something and kind of give help create the vision of what it is and then maybe i'm gone for a few of the days of the nitty-gritty and then i will come back and give notes and all that stuff so we're all very involved in all the things what was the worst did you ever guys get in a fight about like you coming back in two days and say it's not how it should be it's not ever like that but i'm like insecure to like give the note because i know how much work they've put in and i and i will say like i am pretty involved in all steps of the process so it's not like they would have gone down a huge rabbit hole that i would not have well what you're

describing definitely happens in a different tone like you know like if gracie isn't there and me and johnny and jordan are working you know we're the three people that are like kind of often working on production on day-to-day and then other people about um and we come up with an idea for you know a transition from the pre-chorus to the chorus and we spend all day really dialing it in and then gracie comes in and like she's never like this is all wrong you guys are idiots but like um because also like gracie no one is the it's a very democratic process to some degree within us so it's not even like gracie would have the authority to say no this is wrong it's but like we all want her to really like it. So if she comes in and says about something that the other three of us really

were like on a good track on and she's like, Ooh, I don't know if I love this. It's like, we're all like, ah, like, but it's like,

it's not mad. Yeah. And I think a lot of the ways that those things get resolved is like not by abandoning the road that other, that they were going down or something. It's like the note. Yeah, exactly.

Behind the idea that we did and maybe I just hate that. Like what the base is doing there versus like that whole moment is cool, but something about like the way it's coming across is not right to me or something. It was like, we have very similar tastes, so it's rare that I'm going to really not get where we're coming from yeah it's like yeah yeah i got a question um don't take this the wrong way so like when you're writing a

love song yeah you're basically singing to each other in a little bit is it is it weird sometimes like kind of feels incestual do that that much we don't that's something that we've never done that we've never sang a love song to like that's not entirely true like something like try you sing a verse and i sing a verse of and that's a love song totally but i think like at least the way we justify it in our mind is that if we're each taking a verse of a song that is about love or like has something romantic in it um we think of it each each individual verse as sort of like its own story its own story and its own perspective so this isn't me and Clyde representing two sides of a relationship it's me and Clyde talking about our own relationships in the context of the same like yeah it's like the chorus is like the thesis where it's like, I wish that we didn't have to try so hard in romantic relationships.

And like the verses don't have to be me singing to Gracie and then her singing back to me. It can be more, I'm singing my perspective on how I relate to that chorus than Gracie sings. Although there are exceptions, like for example, try being an example.

I do think that that is a song that I wrote all the lyrics and did write your verse from the, in my mind perspective of the person that I was in real life going through that situation with. Yeah. What were you going through? Just like a break, a complicated breakup.

And I think that, and I think a complicated breakup that a lot of the songs on our album living room are ultimately about. And most of those songs, I kind of just saying all from my perspective, but I thought that try was a cool song to try to write a verse from her perspective, knowing what her thought process on it was.

And then I thought it'd be cool for Gracie to sing that verse. So there are some moments like that, but we've never sat down like that's almost her playing a character that I've written yeah we try to stay clear but it can be challenging of writing traditional love songs where we're just singing to each other which is why we end up writing in our like current single that we're promoting Don't Lose Sight so much about things that aren't love because it's easier to have each of us get a meaty chunk of singing into something it's it's also why in like a more romantically or relationship-y themed song you'll never hear us or i don't know never but very rarely we'll hear us trading off lines like it's easier to separate it verse and verse because then you feel like there's a little bit of a separation

of singing towards each other. Exactly. But it is, but it is a bummer because like those kinds of things are so like ripe for two vocalist bands because it's like, so you have more opportunity to give a line here, give a line there. And so we have done it like wash away. Right.

Like one of our first albums. But it is like, we, we rarely do that for a song about something romantic also i think yeah the last thing on that that i think of is just i think our lyrical style is a little bit like not lovey-dovey in a way that that love songs often can be like um i think even in a song like try where that is a love song where we're both singing on it it is just talking in a more kind of like conversational and cerebral way about it

which i think makes it a little bit less uncomfortable than being like i love you so much and then her being like i love you so much like we actually i i noticed at some point that i had never written the word love into a song ever um and then we had a song the last song on our new album hotel tv is a song called figure it out a song between siblings which is the first song that we've ever written about a fight that we got into between the two of us whoa and it's the first song we've ever written about our sibling dynamic and whatever tell whatever. Tell me about the song. I don't know that song. What were you fighting about when you wrote that? I honestly don't even remember

specifically what the fight was about, but I think that something we talk about a lot is just the way that we interpret each other's tone. That's probably the biggest fight that we ever get into. You're thinking it's passive-aggressive? We're massively different people in the way that we deliver like information and that's what i'm

yeah oh sorry don't keep going i'm like a very emotional sensitive person i think people are mad at me constantly and the person i fear the most being mad at me is clyde and like i had to really learn that he's like not mad at me and And so when we had like a fight, I don't even remember what it was about. I, it was like under, it was in the context of like, I, the first lyric of the song is, I'm sorry that I cry a lot. I know I'm so pathetic. And it was just about like, I know I'm good. I'm fine.

Um, but it was just about this idea of like, I always, I always go to this very like emotional place and I'm a pretty sensitive person and Clyde is really not. And it's about our sort of, I mean, you're a very sensitive person towards other people, but I don't find you to be like a rock. No, you're like, you're like dead inside. So it's like been really hard for us to work together for all of us um but yeah so i think that was sort of what that was about gracie delivered me just like sent me just like a verse like no chorus attached to know anything of just like her singing this beautiful verse about kind of her i had the outro too right right it's like a different song it was kind of a

different song but it wasn't like a full song it was just like a little one minute like snippet snippet that was like this beautiful song about and it's called figure it out about like her sort of side of the story and i and then without actually even telling her i just wrote an entire we didn't discuss like oh this is how we should build this song out i just took essentially the same format that she had written and wrote an entire verse from my perspective like about this same dynamic but to to the point that i was saying earlier i wrote a lyric in that verse that says uh i've never sung these words before but you deserve i love you which was like which came out of me realizing a couple of weeks earlier that I had never put the word love into a song ever. You know, like, is this like your way to like have communication with each other? Like, it's the only time we've ever done that.

But it was kind of interesting because we was also the most sort of uncollaborative we've ever been in a way in the songwriting process. Because usually Grace will be like, here's an idea for a song. Let's sit together and build it out, whatever. And this was like this interesting thing where she wrote her part and then we didn't even discuss oh you should write your part i just like wrote my part and then we just pasted them together or like going deeper like it feels like it's like really like it it explores like the relationship of your of you being brother and sister. Yeah. I mean, I think that we communicate pretty well together all the time, but I will say that any fight or disagreement that we have,

which is rare, but it's usually just about, you know, the same thing over and over again, which is this, which is just how we communicate with each other, whatever. It can never get to the point where it's too bad or it's too deep

because we like share this thing together and I think that it's not it might sound fucked up to be like the business is what holds us together and we've never really the band is kind of like our child in a way yeah and we really like nurture this thing together to the point where we're constantly in each other's lives. There's no conflict that can get too big that even if we're in the middle of something in our own lives of like, whatever, we know that tomorrow we still have to do this interview together. And we're going to have to, we have a session tomorrow, this part, whatever. It's like the train keeps going. So we're both, we're both aboard that for life.

So it's like, we got to just figure it out, which is what that song was sort of about. Fucking awesome. Then what, then how do you deal with like fights? We don't really like fight fight. Like there's not a lot of like raising voice.

Y'all never like beat each other up. Not at all. I got a question for you, Gracie. You're talking about, you know, the few times you brought up like insecurities about yourself and like, feel like you're not good enough or whatever. Where do you think that stem from? Um, I don't know. I mean, I have a, I have the very like classic cliche combination of being extremely confident and insecure at the same time

and I think when I hear about or read about other female performers whether that be you know Janis Joplin or and people who are not just the performers but they contribute to the art like behind the scenes or our writers you know Carole King um the go-go's people women that i admire that are in the arts i think that there's a really and and men too i think there's like a really interesting combination of being super confident and having that sort of in her feeling that like this is what you're supposed to do and meant to do and and no matter what criticism you get you you know, that that's true mixed with, I'm probably my harshest critic and I have insecurities that range from, you know, the classic, the way I look to the way I sound. And I've become really comfortable with those insecurities and I don't I don't think I let those reign my life in a way. Did they used to? I think I used to be really hard on myself on the way I

sounded. I weirdly even though we have a song called Freckles about the way I look I've I care so much about being funny that the idea of like looking funny didn't always bother me as a kid my my dad's a comedy writer I grew up doing improv the weirder you look in those circumstances the funnier you are and I took extreme solace in that that's not like associated with a particular look it's just maybe your hair is like more crazy that day or like you you're more zany looking, or you're wearing weirder glasses or whatever. So I think it was like, I was never super bothered by feeling not like the prettiest person in a room, but there are other things about the way you look that affect you or just, you know, getting used to this industry and this business and being photographed at certain

angles or whatever, you just become a master of your own appearance. Like you just become an expert on how to, how the camera should be on you and all of those various things. And it's, and I've been acting since I was nine years old. So I'm so clued into those things that, um, it's just, it's just consumes my time. Like the classic, like ignorance is bliss thing or the more, you know, about all the things you could be insecure about. That's one of the toughest things about toughest and best things about getting older. Like we never, I never knew about anxiety when I was a kid.

I was like, I was just put my head down. Didn't know about depression. Didn't know. But the more things you learn about, they're like, oh shit, was I depressed was i depressed when i was a kid like yeah it's a thought yeah think about that yeah what about you what were you insecure about when you're growing up i mean i think that i have always had like a lot of things that i'm thinking about but i think I've always just sort of had a, like, it is what it is and what can I do about it approach not to like pat myself on the back. That's not necessarily better or not, but like, I think even like a difference between me and Gracie that I think is interesting is I think

that you have a more clear set of goals that like, if that they would make you somewhat unhappy or at least like you've stated that to me before like i think if gracie's not like a very successful on on like four different things that any of them being very successful at least anyways i'm up for failure like she you said to me like i think i'll be deeply unhappy on some level if i'm not like wildly successful in all four of these areas. And like, you know that that's a somewhat irrational thing to say,

but I think you mean it from the bottom of your heart. And I think for me, it's like, I just love the things I love. I want to run with them as far as I can. I don't have as prescribed of a, um, like goal set for them.

So I think that that's some, in some ways makes it easier. But then on the other hand, I do sometimes have these like identity questions about like, what are my goals and what do I value? Like a big thing that I, I wouldn't know, I wouldn't know if I would say I get insecure about it,

but something I grapple with and struggle with a lot is my relationship with just like the idea of like ambition. Like I am a very on paper, super, super ambitious person, like terms of the hustle, like you're describing and like people that I work with are like, think of me as a very detail oriented person. That's like trying to milk every bit of value out of every opportunity. Not maybe in a social way. I'm not like manipulating people, but just like, you know, all of our deals, I really look over them. All of our strategy. I try to really I'm an optimizer just by nature. But in my heart of hearts, I also like have a lot of deep, in my heart of hearts, I also like have a lot of deep, like philosophical problems with like the premium that we put on like overworking ourselves and like Uber ambition and the need

to feel to like constantly output so much like in the world. And especially maybe in like America and especially in like the creator career of America, which is what we're in. So I have like this weird struggle where I'm like, I can't help. I almost have like this compulsive need to try to optimize things and be as efficient as possible. And like, if there's a,

if we're thinking about what our touring strategy is and I'm like, Oh, I, I really think we should do this. I can't help, but like try to make it happen that way. I don't know if I'm saying a thing that makes sense. I'm so glad you brought this up because I've listened to your song False Alarms maybe like a hundred times.

I really feel like what you're talking about is what that song is about. This is what your hearts of hearts is talking about. Totally. And I can smell the smoke, but it's no cigar. I feel so close, yet I feel so far. And I'm getting sick and tired of these false alarms. I don't know if it's John's. His verse is so incredible. It's incredible.

But you are saying the same thing he's saying. Yeah. And that's what I really am like, damn, okay, these guys are really unsympathetic about this idea. It's like kind of like the ambition idea. Like, are we, why are we spending all this time? Like we're like doing all these nitpicking things, like just to get a bunch of false alarms of if we're going to get famous on this one song or this album or this tour and stuff. Totally. Tell me about that. or this tour and stuff. Totally. Tell me about that. I mean, I think it is. It's like, and it's like, what are my goals? Like, am I trying to make a great song? Am I trying to make a hit? Are those the same thing if I'm happy with the song, but it's not a hit? Like there's just all

these questions that you ask yourself. And like, again, like those are the things that I get personally insecure about, about like what, where I place my values. Cause again, I don't have as like defined set of goals as maybe some other artists do. Like, I don't want to be famous. Like, like I don't not want to be famous, but I just am not sure that that's a goal or non goal for me in either way.

So I think false alarms for me is a song about like trying to sit down at the piano and think like when I'm getting so much noise in my ears, like what is actually, what am I trying to do with a song when I'm getting so much noise in my ears, like what is actually, what am I trying to do with a song when I'm writing it? You know, when I was younger, it was simpler. And now it's like, it's like, you know, it's been a while since I tried to write a song like this, take a good four chords and let them loop as is. But it's like, what am I, so am I trying to write a song that's a loop? Because I think that it's been a while since I've written a simple song or because I think that simple songs do better

on the radio. And that's what I've been told. Or like, is it some weird combination of that? Or is it like the industry? Like, you're like, Oh, I have a song that's really, that did really well. It's kind of like this as well. Like it's been four years since I wrote a song like that. Exactly. Exactly. Like it's all of those things. So it's like, I think that the song is just like a bunch of different ideas of like all that I know. I guess like the song keeps coming back to, and the song went through a lot of different iterations.

Like that's what's funny is like the first version that I presented to Gracie and John and others that were involved was a lot more, I would say resentful. Fuck the music industry. Yeah. Yeah. It was not like that, but it was more like really taking some digs at the industry. What don't you like about it?

It's not that I don't like the industry. I just think like parts of it that you don't like that made you resentful. I don't like parts of it that you don't like that made you resentful. I don't like how, well, it's a really good question. I think that like creatively on the most basic level, it's just always hard to balance doing the thing you love and trying to make a commercial, especially for us where we really try to straddle that line we are not a down the middle pop sound but we're not not that to the extent that you'd be like oh it's just not that let it be its thing it's like very tiptoeing those two lines and so managing that is is interesting um and then on a more

industry level i probably have a lot more specific gripes with it. Like that shit. God, I guess I would say, I think that I don't like how artists are kind of given the impression that the best version of themselves is to just only focus on trying to like make the music and then like everything else will be handled for them. I hate that shit. make the music and then like everything else will be handled for them because it's coddling them in a way that's actually bad for them because it might be different if the deals they were encouraged to sign or the people that they were incentivized to bring on to help them were actually helping them in the best ways. But I just don't believe that that's, I believe it's often not the case.

And I think that it's like, you know, it gives me the imagery of like the way we like pump chickens full of like hormones to fatten them up. And then we just slaughter them. Like, I mean, I don't,

I don't know that much about the process, but like, um, crazy. But yeah, I think it's like, no idea.

No, I get that. And it's also like when, then when you get back into songwriter mode, like who you're writing these songs for them or you. Yeah. I mean, there's a million different things. And like to really get to the bottom of my gripes with it, we need to like crack out a spreadsheet.

And I think that's part of the problem is like the wool is being pulled over people's eyes in ways they don't even realize. Like artists don't understand where, and I don't mean to make it all about money because it's really not all about money but what it is about to survive it is music business right what it really is about is artists being able to make the music that they want to make yeah and then are and then in order to make the music you want to make you need to be able to live on that music in order to live on that music you need to have an understanding of where the money flows. And so I think that like,

I have a lot of nitty gritty problems with like the specific dynamics of like for the deal that you're doing for a concert that you're playing, or maybe your record deal or any number of kinds of deals. I can point to a lot of specific things that I think are kind of messed up. But the problem is those things are kind of like unsexy to talk about. And like, I couldn't explain industry standards that have been like rammed into the ground and things that I couldn't explain in like 10 seconds without like

pulling up numbers on a podcast. You know? So it's like hard to, it's hard to like communicate those things without sitting down with artists and being like, let's take a look at this. Yeah. That's why we,

I mean, that's why we're Sympatico. Cause I'm, I'm in the numbers all day. My manager fucking hates me because I am in that numbers. Like I'm looking for, I'm looking for some rats. And by the way,

we love our team. Like none of what I'm talking about is me thinking that anyone on our team is trying to fuck us. We've specifically gotten a team that really understands us and really appreciates sort of the novel perspectives that I think Clyde has on the industry and wants to go down the road of being supportive of trying to make it a more equitable process. At first, was it alarming for your manager that you wanted to be so hands-on on the business? Yeah, but yes, 100%.

And I mean, you could ask him, but we signed with him when we were already kind of going. Like we had other managers in the past. So we signed with our current manager, Zach, who's awesome. When we already kind of like the train was moving. And so it wasn't like, Oh, we'd like to do this. It was sort of like, this is how we do things around here in terms of like, these are the things we handle ourselves. And yes, he would be the first to tell you that he was like, that seems like very unconventional. And, and it's been an interesting, like,

I think that like, there are definite things that he's like I think this really shouldn't be on your plate that we were doing ourselves that like we have had him help us move those things to not being on our plate and like and it's great and then there's been other things that he would have been

the first to tell you two years ago when we signed with him they are crazy for doing this themselves. And now he's like, I totally get it. And like, and you know, but so yes, I think it's a really interesting dynamic. And it's a game of psychology because like they just

managers have to understand the mind of us, you know, to at least get the most, you know, efficient way to work together as a collective. And managers is a class a collective yeah it's and managers is a really interesting position because kind of it has to feel like family too especially anyone that we bring on board is like we're a family band if you're gonna hop into this operation you're gonna be really in the weeds with us you know when we do meetings we do them at our

apartment like we're gonna it going to be like that. And we couldn't be luckier in terms of the people that we've like, surrounded ourselves with. Yeah. Same. I've been with my guy for five years, but doesn't mean I'm, he's still pissing the fuck off sometimes. You hearing this Brian? Sometimes I'm watching you, bro. I'm just kidding.

Is he here? No, no. We just had an argument. Oh, to camera. I just had an argument Oh to camera Oh I should be doing more things to camera Yeah yeah no it's okay You talk about the fame thing And that's not really important to you What about you Gracie?

Is that important to you? I feel like I should say no Because it will make me sound like a better person No be honest Okay You know it's again funny I think I used to care so much about being famous and not again not I care a lot about being successful and to me that's different than being famous too yeah for sure I think that there's just

a certain level of success that brings recognition and I I was aware of that. So I wanted to reach a certain level of recognition and like a lot of respect for the work that I want to do. And so I, fame is like an amorphous concept to me that I feel like accompanies the signs. It's also changing in the world. Yeah. Like everyone's getting their five seconds right now.

Totally. And there's no, I have no aspiration to be a certain kind of famous or to be, you know, yeah, the five second fame of, you know, going viral for a moment or, you know, every influencer is famous and I'm, I wouldn't be good at that kind of fame. So I don't aspire to be famous. I aspire to like have a lot of success and respect for the things that i do and there's a certain level of that that i see fame accompanies by the way like i love the way that our fans who and i don't mean to use i don't know what the right word is but like who absolutely love and live and breathe lawrence i love the way that they treat us. Like not,

not in terms of like, Oh my God, can I get your autograph? I love the way that they talk to us and the amount that they care. And like when I talk, I mean, our fans are awesome. Like they're really don't overstep their bounds and they're all super cool

people that I'm sure I could be friends with. But like when I meet our friends and when I meet our fans, like they asked me really amazing questions about the music and they really, they really want to hear what I have to say. really amazing questions about the music and they really, they really want to hear what I have to say. And they really respect the music and they respect our approach. And that means a ton to me. So like, and those are things that come with being famous.

So it's like, I feel that we are already famous to a very small group of people, whatever that means. You know what I mean? Like, cause it's like such an enormous concept. Not to the parents, Lawrence, Mr. And Mrs. Lawrence. Exactly. But you know what i mean like because it's like such a concept to the parents lord's mr and mrs lord

exactly no that's but you know what i mean it's just like in the modern world like what is it even it doesn't matter to me to be like a household name it doesn't matter to me to be in the tabloids whatever that is like know, whatever the modern state of that, like, I don't even know if like, it's funny to me to like, imagine like buying groceries. Like when you think about being famous, is that not part of what that, when I think about what being a famous person means,

I think about things like that. Yeah. And, and, but I, I definitely love like having the respect and attention of like a very focused group of people where I love the idea that like, if we release something,

there's a lot of people there who are like, so psyched to consume it. And that, that's what I, yeah, that's, I completely agree with that. And I think that that is my desire as well. Well, maybe also the anxiety roots from like being famous on something you believe in

instead of like getting famous for something that you fucking didn't want to do in the first place. It's a thing I think about with acting a lot. Like I probably auditioned for things a lot less than other people do, or I know that I do because even from a really young age and this was really instilled by our parents like you know believe in the things that you that you do and you put out and that doesn't mean you know to a degree that you are unable to put something out because you're so meticulous and you're so perfectionist which is everything you do is going to be good yeah you really thought it was good you thought it was going to be good and I think you know something I've it's a funny be good. If you thought it was going to be good. And I think, you know, something I've,

it's a funny thing because I'm, you know, everyone says about actors and musicians as well, like beggars can't be choosers. And I don't, I mean, I agree with that in terms of like making a living, but I've really struggled with it in terms of like implementing it into my life because I don't have any desire to be in something

that I don't think is good and that's where it gets back to my thing of like they tell you in the industry beggars can't be choosers yeah but that's partially more because the way that they say I don't know how to say what I'm trying to say, but beggars could be a little more choosers if their deals were better so that they could make more money off the art that they really believed in and didn't have to be begging for things they didn't believe in.

So this all goes so hand in hand. It does. And that's the thing. People are ignorant about that. We could choose our destiny. It's going to not get us there right when we want it to get us there. Yeah.

But if we still become authentic with our art and everything we do is authentic, it's going to eventually come because you believe in authenticity more than you believe in something just to take a fucking dollar. Totally. I think about our dad a lot. Like our dad is a really really successful writer director and like i just feel like i've seen him miss congeniality he did write miss congeniality i like that movie among many other awesome things and he i've just seen him turn so much stuff down like yeah what did he teach you about success well well i was actually just saying this recently but like i

think that he's not a big like let me sit you down and impart some wisdom to you at all like he's so like the most unpreachy person like you have to kind of force him to like you know take himself seriously in terms of like thinking that he has something to impart on you because he's so humble. But like one thing he really did, I remember like say to me in a, like you should take this lesson from me is like feeling like he maybe didn't appreciate the success he was having in his like twenties. Cause it was always like,

what's the next thing? What's the next thing? And just like being like, those were like the most fun years. I mean, he's had a lot of fun many many years but like you know i think that that's something that he's always reminded me after we play a big show and it's like the next day we're already working on you know we play you know how it is yeah it's all it's like you're always thinking about tomorrow

everything's gamified like you play a 500 cap room in a city you're like great that'll be a great stepping stone to getting the thousand cap next time. But it's like, just live in the moment of like, we just have 500 people come to see us in this city that we never thought that would happen. You know? Yeah.

So that's something he definitely taught me about. Especially when we have such high expectations towards ourselves. Yeah. Like this isn't the only thing we're going to do. And we plant that in our brains that this is the only thing we're going to do and we plant that in our brains that this is the only thing we're going to do but it's also self-sabotaged because it gets us sadder because all we're thinking we're living in our heads

versus living in the now and that's the reason why we do art is to be present so we need to fucking work on that I'm not saying we but I do I do too for sure so I think that's something that he definitely. Another thing our dad is definitely like known for doing is like,

or, or especially growing up, even in a non-artistic field, I feel like something our parents really instilled in us is like, do the right thing. Even if it's like way harder in, in social contexts, in like business context.

And that's a very, they didn't like think of that. That's obviously something a lot of parents impart to their children, but I definitely feel like it's come up so much in my life of, Oh, wouldn't it be so much easier if, you know, I remember in like a middle school play,

the director gave me a note that I really didn't agree with. And I was like, God, wouldn't it be easier? What was it? Um, I remember exactly what it was. And I love this. I love this teacher. It was just a hilarious moment where I was playing Lily St. Regis and Annie, and I had to enter the room, um, either during the scene or, or with the other person in the scene. And the first line that I had was a joke and he

wanted me to enter on the joke but I knew because I think about or just it felt weird to me I was like I'm not going to get the laugh if I enter on the joke because people are going to be focusing on the entrance not the joke and he wanted me to enter in a specific way that just didn't feel right to me for what the character was and I'm'm like nine, you know, so this is like stupid, but I was like so consumed by it. And I knew it was, it wasn't working. And, you know, in the moment I was like, okay, yeah, sure. I'll do that. You know, you're nine years old and you're with your peers and whatever. And then I went home and I was like really stressed about it. And I talked to my parents about it and they were like, you should say something,

you know, obviously that's scary to like go to the, you know, director of the play, you know? And I can't, I did. And he was obviously super nice,

but he was like, okay, like whatever you want, you know, and super kind guy. And it was all great and fine. But that like small instance of just like making the hard choice and what is eventually the right choice for you as a person it might be in the context of other people sometimes you know if

you're it like it comes up a lot in in my life and in art and then later when I was older and doing things that were more legit I I referenced back to that experience so often of like there you can approach it in a very kind way and still like advocate for yourself but you know and it's and it's like you're teaching yourself communication is key yeah exactly living in your head about this like oh this guy fucking doesn't like me totally like i get like that too i'm like especially with my band i've been with my band for 15 years and sometimes i'm afraid to talk to my guitar players. So I don't piss off, like piss the vibe off. Yeah,

totally. That pisses the vibe off even more. Cause you're being passive aggressive. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's incredible that you've had your same band. Yeah.

It's crazy. Yeah. 250 shows a year. Wow. Yeah. That is nonstop. I got one. I got,

you got time, got 10 minutes. Okay. I got two more questions i want to know the transition between clyde lawrence the band into lawrence what was that transition like i mean it goes back to what we were talking about earlier about those college years when uh i was uh at brown with all the other guys and gracie was in high school and i think that like growing up music was always my thing. Like a

hundred percent. It was like music, music, music. I mean, I loved other things as things I loved, but like music was always my main thing. Did you want to have like a different identity from your sister? No, not even, but I just don't think it was even a hundred percent clear that like being in a band full time was like necessarily exactly what Gracie wanted to do. Like Gracie was a performer in all ways. She was leads in all the middle school plays and acting and singing, but it wasn't clear. There was no part of my ego that was like, I need to have a separate artistic identity than Gracie was just like, she was in ninth grade. She was doing her school plays. I was up at college starting, starting the band. So it was just like under my name and it was like I

never wanted to pressure Gracie like hey you got to start coming up to college every weekend so right it was just very organic and that it was like Clyde Lawrence band all the same people for the most part that are in our band now right we just started playing the music that I had written um and it was like Gracie's welcome whenever she's able to make it up for you know the shows that I had written. And it was like, Gracie's welcome whenever she's able to make it up for, you know, the shows that we would have every weekend. And just increasingly like the shows when Gracie was there were just better, you know,

like she would, she maybe wouldn't share all of the lead vocals half and half just cause most of the songs were like stuff we'd worked out without her, but she would always like sing a lot on all the songs and then have her portion of the songs that she would just blow the roof off. And everyone was like, Oh my God. And I remember,

and I, and I was like, so I was always like preferred when she came up for the shows. Were you ever jealous of it? No, I'm like, I'm not a super jealous person in general, but no,

I mean, it was like, we were on the same team. I was like, I was jealous. If like if like frankly i was jealous i would get annoyed if we were playing a show that gracie wasn't at and we were like on the same bill at a college party with another band that had like a 60 good female vocalist yeah and i'd be like, fuck, if Gracie... Where the fuck is Gracie?

I'd be like, if Gracie was here, we would destroy this other band. But now they're the band with the cool female vocalist. But if they could only hear Gracie, that's more where my... God, that's a fuck...

I need fucking siblings like this. Jesus Christ, Clyde. Fucking romance in the stone, motherfucker. We're never competing. Never? Even when you're doing the same thing as a kid? Because we were always doing it together. Yeah, and also we're like four years apart.

You're a guy. I'm a girl. We're very different people in a lot of ways. And it's just I'm not going to that like i can't sing the way gracie can she can't sing the way i can we have different styles but like i know that like when gracie's doing her thing there's nothing that i can do that's why i like it and i think that's awesome and like so beautiful but a great moment that you're just gonna love is i was in the library at brown and we were playing a show that night at a party and I was sitting at a table and it was like quiet working time in a

library. And I overhear two girls at the next table who didn't realize, cause we had built a big following on campus. Like we were a pretty known entity on campus. And they'd be like, are you going to the Clyde Lawrence band show tonight? And the other girl said, do you know if his sister's coming up?

Because I really love the shows when the sister's coming up. And that was the moment where I was like, all right, we got to switch it to, I got to, we got to see if Gracie's like, if we're doing this full time, full partnership.

See, that's the thing. Like there's like, you hear, you only hear the horror stories of siblings joining a band. Kinks, you know, Oasis,

Beach Boys. Beach Boys. Yeah. You don't get to hear like, you know, like the rooting on of to hear like you know like the rooting on of each other you know

and that's what's beautiful that's definitely real yeah I fucking love that god thank you for coming to fucking Denver let's go thank you guys

I got one last question I'll let you guys go kick ass out there I can't you know like I said like I don't I barely know you guys but I feel like I know you guys enough

we're friends right yeah I feel like we're getting closer in our lives absolutely just like seeing you guys are just fucking killing it and like seeing you being happy

and seeing you fucking like be like it just makes me believe in the music industry outside of all the stuff that makes our heads you know tangle up a little bit

you know we feel the same about you. It's like, so awesome to see you crushing it with this podcast. And it's like, if you could have told me when we were on that tour with you, that you were going to be doing this, I would have been like, that's so perfect.

Oh, I appreciate it, Clyde. All right, guys, I know you got to go. We got one last question. Collectively and individually, what do you guys want to be remembered by? Oh God, be remembered by? Oh, God. What do I want to be remembered by? Yeah, I don't have a good answer.

I think, like. Maybe we're still too young to be remembered by because we have so much more life to think about. Yeah, I don't know what I've done yet that I could, like, pick that would be like that. But I think just, like, ideally being a person that, like, cares a lot about doing things the right and fair and good way like and treating people the right way and like making good music i mean it all goes hand in hand like person that made good music and like wasn't part of the problem right and help people and whatever i don't know it's hard to say at this point in time. Yeah. I think being a very kind person is something I care about a lot. Like I never want,

and it's hard because some things are unavoidable and it's goes back to my insecurity of like, you can leave a room and never know what someone's going to say about you. But I hope that the interactions that I leave people with is that they, they feel like they feel good about how they feel in the interaction. And, um, I care about that a lot.

And I care about in the context of the songs that we write that coming across to like that it's, it's, uh, people feel like it's coming from people who their impulse is more kind than anything else that I care about. And I feel like one last addendum is that I hope to be a girl whose perspective is shown in the music that,

that we play. And I really credit all the guys in the band and especially Clyde for being not just like supportive of that in theory, but like so psyched to have a female perspective be imbued in the things that we do. That's beautiful. God, I'm so thankful you guys grew up in New York,

not LA. You guys would be different. I want to be remembered by my tits. It's like, so man, cause I grew up with people who were in the industry. Cause they're eight years old and same side, different coasts.

The people who grew up in New York city just have this like realness and authenticity of it's the work. It's not what people think. It's not the passive aggressiveness of trying to get your way it's like actually caring about the art and caring about yourselves and caring about the community new york is such a community yeah i love new york so much so it's cool to hear yeah that's your perspective on it well when you guys get super famous don't fucking move to la okay well if you do just get a side house yeah get a side house get a little pad no problem the ultimate sign of success

is the ability to continue living in New York I feel bad I'm like shitting on people who live in LA you're from LA I've been talking shit

about LA for the last five years it's fine this is my this is my therapy okay good Clyde, Gracie thanks so much for being part of the show

thanks for being in Denver and I can't wait to continue to be your friends you're the best you too thanks for having us alright thanks guys part of the show. Thanks for being in Denver. And I can't wait to continue to be your friends. You're the best. You too. Thanks for having us. All right. Thanks, guys.

And there you have it. Wow. Interesting. Smart people. You're going to see that. Yes. Successful people. Intelligence is a common thread.

And for them to be power couple, but brother and sister is dope too. This is an interesting term to use for siblings, but it is what they are. Couple really only means two. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

So if you want to make it weird, you're the one making it weird. Yeah. So shout out to Lawrence. Thanks for getting vulnerable with me. Supremely talented people. First interview at the house. Supremely talented people. Yeah. So shout out to Lawrence. Thanks for getting vulnerable with me. Supremely talented people. First interview at the house.

Supremely talented people. Yes. Yeah, I'm really proud of them. They're fucking killing it and I'm just... Good people too. I bet they have great parents. Yeah.

They seem like they do. Big bro. I feel like a big bro. It's good. Yeah, okay. Yes, that was a great episode. Good. First episode

live. I'm proud of us right now. Come on. Let's come on. Come on. We're really doing it out here, Bobby. We're semi-professional. We're semi-professional podcast.

We're like in the minor leagues. We're trying to get to triple eight right now. Yeah. Yeah. You have any dates you need to pitch? Yeah, actually. Where are you going? Where are you playing?

First of all, I want people to download my live album I made from our tour where I opened for you. Oh yeah. When you took out all, all my information as the headliner. Yes. Because it's not that, well,

that was, I took out all the other ones too. No, it was really funny. It's pretty funny. I was like, I need art. And I didn't want to spend more than three minutes on it.

And then you could tell it was just like clip art shading. Yeah. I did it in like on my phone, like an Instagram stories. I literally did it in Instagram stories and then saved it and took it out. It's so bad. I like bad stuff like that. So what is it called? It's called Nick Gerlach the Musical.

A retrospective look back at the fall of 2021, the greatest year of our lives. It was. It really was. We really bonded. Our lives, everyone's. It's sort of a joke because it was a terrible year. I put it on Bandcamp. It's only on Bandcamp because it's got samples in it so I can't really do Spotify. Just look up Nicholas I put it on Bandcamp. It's only on Bandcamp because it's got samples in it, you know, so I can't really do Spotify. Just look up Nicholas Gerlach

on Bandcamp. It's free. Okay. Shows. I'm opening for Menor at the Lyric Cinema in Fort Collins. That'd be fun.

22nd. 22nd. The day after your thing. Oh, dance party. Jan 21. So if you want to get a weekend of Gerlach and Frasco. Boom.

January 21st. Yeah, I'm playing Cervantes and we're also live streaming it. That's selling, right? Yeah, it's selling good. I would get your tickets a hundred times. I think the Menard thing

is getting close to sold out too. That's going to sell out, no problem. Yeah, and then I'm playing with Sean. Oh yeah, February 4th in Cervantes, Denver. Yep, we're doing

Led Zeppelin Tribute. With horns, which will be fun. With horns. And here's the thing, it's been moved to the big room. It's now a Marshall Fire fundraiser. Yeah. Here's the thing. It's been moved to the big room. It's now a Marshall Fire fundraiser.

Here's the thing. It's Dave Watt's birthday show. He had tragically lost his house and a lot of other stuff in the fire. It was already that. He's the drummer on the show too. Good job. So get tickets to that. That's going to definitely sell out. That'll sell out. That sells out every year anyway.

You're moving to the big room. I'm curious if you'll sell a thousand tickets. I think you will. I think we will. We did last time when it was in the big room. Okay, congrats. Yeah, and Chad, Dave, we're going to try to get Dave Watts on the show

to talk about his house burning. Yeah, it's like, does he want to? If he wants to. I don't want to ask. I know, but it might be, maybe he wants to. It might be cathartic for him. Yeah, I'm going to ask him.

But if he doesn't want to, you know. Yeah. Totally understandable. And then I'm trying to get you on our doesn't want to you know totally understandable and then I'm trying to get you on our February 9th and 10th shows we're playing in Denver too birthday

Feb 9, 10, 11 January 28th I'm playing in Tampa Bay, Florida Gasparilla probably Gasparilla Invasion Party and then the end

and then February I go back for the festival it's like the pre-party for the festival yeah getting ready I did it two years three years ago it was fucking fun I love Tampa Tampa the festival. It's like the pre-party for the festival thing. Yeah, getting ready. I did it three years ago. It was fucking fun.

I love Tampa. Tampa's fun. And it's right on the water. I always think Tampa Bay is not the city. Do you know that? Like they're the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but it's not. The city isn't called Tampa Bay. It's just Tampa.

Yeah. Florida's fun. The team represents a body of water. Yeah. I don't know. I just thought that was interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. And then February 11th is my birthday party. Oh, yeah. 46. 46. How old are you? I'll be know. I just thought that was interesting. Yeah, that's interesting. And then February 11th is my birthday party.

Oh, yeah. 46. 46. How old are you? I'll be 34. Damn. Getting up there, bud. The videos are going to be better for when you're 34 than when you're 23.

I know. It's like Red Rocks and shit. Yeah, true. Yeah? So you can complain all you want about the music industry, but at least you're getting better. Some people don't get that even, you know? Yeah.

Because you have great management. Yeah. I know how to make a million view video. You do, actually. You've done it. I've done it. What's your actually biggest, the one where you did the Bulls thing? No.

Paris Bueller? No. I wish that was. The biggest one was when I reacted to Scary Movie. What? I don't even think I've even seen that one. We did Summer of the Fro and it was like that moment where...

Was this during pandemic? Yeah. Okay. That got like six million views. Danny's the guy that edits all those, right? Yeah. And he makes it look like you're in the movie. Shout out to Danny Zagar.

He's so good at that. He's coming into town. When? A couple weeks. He's always doing some cool thing. Yeah, he's out there like in Columbia or like fucking... He's like one of your actual talented friends, but he's not like... He's behind the scenes. Behind the scenes, but he's like there like in columbia or like fucking he's like one of your actual talented friends but he's not like he's behind the scenes behind the scenes but he's like made

us all look good so go uh go support all those shows and then i have shows all through february i can't remember the dates because i don't have my computer but i'm playing in atlanta for the sweetwater anniversary birthday party oh like sweetwater festival oh it's that brewing company or something right what's sweetwater Brewing in Atlanta. And there's a couple other things, but my brain is fried. Are you going to Europe? No, they canceled our April tour. COVID.

Fucked up. But I'm thinking of taking a vacation in March. To Europe? I was thinking Costa Rica. Ooh, that's not in Europe, technically. Yeah, I want to go to Europe because I'm more comfortable there. That's funny. Not like I just know it.

Well, it's just funny because it's farther away. Yeah, I know Europe so well. Costa Rica's, I think, a pretty easy place to go. I heard everyone raves about it, so I might do it. I never heard anything bad about it. I've never been. So, yeah, so if anyone wants to go to Costa Rica with me. Don't say that.

People will definitely go, I feel like. It'd be fun. You would totally just be like, oh, you guys want to meet me down there? You'd definitely hang out with them for three days. They have this grateful hotel

that they have all like the jam band people like live there for a week or two weeks and play at the hotel. Like, I don't want to fucking work, but it'd be fun to go out there

and have a little. You love working. That's the dumbest thing. I love working, I know. But I don't want to like play music. What else did you You just announced

Umphreys You're opening for Umphreys Umphreys yeah Oh yeah We got Red Rocks Umphreys We got Bonnaroo Those are big enough

That you start promoting them now I guess yeah On the pod 4848 Fest Have you ever done that West Virginia I've never been to that one We just announced that one too

They can book me on it If they want If they're listening We're going to try to get Podcasts Live podcasts Live podcasts is fun And we might do The live podcast tour The tour Live they're listening. We're going to try to get podcasts, live podcasts. Live podcasts are fun.

And we might do the live podcast tour. The tour. Live. Nick and Andy talking shit in your town. What cities would be good? I'll look at the analytics and see what cities. You got all the analytics like that? I want to see them. When do I get to see them?

Well, Joe hides them from me. I got to ask him. He doesn't give me the password. Why? I don't know. Gatekeeping? I think because it's like our time to talk. He's gatekeeping, isn't he? I'm like, hey, what are are the numbers how did this show do last week gatekeeping the analytics 2022 we need our analytics i know you're right maybe he just doesn't

want you to freak out all the time and look at him six times a day though yeah like i would definitely do that that's what uh bonjour says i always look at the count the google calendar he knows oh my god brian you're so annoying about that in the road i'm the opposite of you with what Bonjorna says, I always look at the count, the Google calendar. Oh my God. Brian, you're so annoying about that on the road. I'm the opposite of you with that. You're like,

eight times a day, what's the count? What's the count? What's the count? Hey, what's the count for next Wednesday? I tell Bo,

poor Bo, I got to ask Bo when I'm hung over. What's the count tonight? Like, who cares? You can't fix, you can't do anything about it.

I know, but I feel like I could try to throw a Hail Mary and try to do some marketing. We'll market anyway. I it. You can't do anything about it. I know, but I feel like I could try to throw a Hail Mary and try to do some marketing. We'll market anyway. I know. I got to do the Bert Kreischer model about marketing. Don't market just because you're desperate.

The point is to not be desperate because you're marketing. I know. It's not being desperate. No, I get it. I get it. But I'm just throwing a last Hail Mary to try to get at least the walk-ups that say, hey, we're not canceling. We don't have COVID.

Oh, yeah, you're right. But you should do that anyway if you know it's not sold out. I know. Bert Kreischer is the master of promotions. Yeah, he is. I've been taking a note on his and how he approaches it.

I mean, we have this podcast. I think that would work for you too, his sort of model, because you're both physically funny. You know what I mean? Right. You have a good funny... You call me funny?

Physically, you have a physicality to you that's quite humorous to look at. Hold on. It minute uh you're a funny looking guy yeah he's love me still oh don't do this you get one a year bro don't waste it january 11th no you're like that guy that uses all his vacation time before like in january to get you to say you love me just for to feel some kind of intimacy in your life i I'm not saying that again. Maybe if we had enough Patreon followers. Oh, yeah. We have a Patreon. Oh, yeah.

We're going to do a Patreon. It's set up, right? Yeah, it's set up. At World Saving Podcast. Not very expensive. Not very expensive. We want to tell people how much it is so they don't freak out. Yeah.

It's super cheap. You get an extra four to eight podcasts a month probably. Yeah. And it's only going to be like three to five bucks. What can you buy for three bucks? It's actually cheaper than a lot of things.

McDonald's value meals. I think people are just afraid to have monthly subscriptions. No, they're not from what I know because my phone, I get fucking charged. Every day of my email, I'm getting charged for some stupid thing I forgot I subscribed to a year and a half ago that I haven't looked at in six months. So support the pod. If you want to support the pod,

anybody else have that problem? Let us do another one of your monthly subscriptions. Help me, help me get rid of those. But this one you want to subscribe to because it's a lot of excellent content. Yes. And the studio we built with our bare hands. We're blue.

Yeah. We're blue collared podcasters. We're blue collar podcasters from the heart of LA. Denver. Denver. Well, you're from LA. We were joking about it yesterday. Do you want us to build your podcast?

No. It's just like we have like one screwdriver. Yeah, exactly. It's like we kept on working. It took four days to build like, I mean, it probably took- To cut a couple holes. Someone knew what they're doing. Could have done this in like six hours probably. We're like returning, but we did good. Shout out to Bo. Shout days to build. It probably took... To cut a couple holes. Someone knew what they were doing because they've done this

in like six hours probably. We're like returning, but we did good. Shout out to Bo. Shout out to Josh. Let's go, boys. Shout out to the camera store. Shout out to the camera store

who we had to go to five fucking times returning cameras and buying the same one. Nice cameras. What are they? Sonys? Sonys.

I don't know anything about cameras. All right. Hey, I did motivational speak last week. You want to do it this week? I know you got it in you. Come on. Okay. Give me something.

I need a topic. Me being bummed out about the music industry. Okay. Stop being bummed out. Here's why. Because it's never going to get better. It's probably only going to get worse. And the only thing you can change is the way you react to it.

You're doing a lot better than a lot of people, and you're doing better than you were two years ago. You're right. You improved during a pandemic. You're right. So shut up a lot of people, and you're doing better than you were two years ago. You're right. You improved during a pandemic. You're right. So shut up. Have a good day, everybody. Thank you, and we'll see you in a while.

That's motivation. That was actually kind of like a slap in the ass. Come on, Tiger. Yeah. You're being a whiner. All right. I love you. Whining achieves nothing.

I'm still going. No, go ahead. Have a great night you tuned in to the World Cyber Podcast with Andy Fresco now in its fourth season thank you for listening

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