Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 157: Fatboy Slim

Episode Date: February 1, 2022

Andy & Nick breakdown the psychedelic allure of hosting a properly unruly dance party at Cervantes. Is Nick proud of Andy? Let's talk about his Bumble profile and judge him accordingly. But more importantly, we welcome a true gentleman & party scholar: Norman Cook (aka Fatboy Slim)! Get the lowdown on his origins, evolutions, & forthcoming horizons. Andy gives him basketball advice. Get uplifted. Get your voyeuristic rocks off now by watching this episode via youtube.  Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Spill The Beans" on iTunes, Spotify  make yourself happy: www.fatboyslim.net Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Brian Schwartz Arno Bakker

Andy, this is Josh Dobson. You probably don't remember me. I met you in Rochester. I just wanted to call you to see if this was your real number. I'm going to send you a cockpit to confirm, all right? All right, you have a good night. Bye. I can't believe I still have a good night. Bye. But as a reminder, you can't ask the people who help you and work so hard for you about their personal sex life.

And I understand you asked her if her and her husband have phone sex when they are not together. And I'm, you know, I'm sort of just scratching my head like, who fucking asks that question to people, let alone an adult. Yeah, man, you know, inside voice. Sometimes all the thoughts in your head don't need to come out of your mouth. Talk to you soon. Now we can start. Andy's done with his fucking fancy basketball shit. It's fucking six and eight. I'm 10 and four, bitch. Oh, you're good. And we're back. Andy Frasca's World Series. I'm so annoyed with you right now. We're back though. Yeah, at night. This is why we don't do podcasts at night. I like it though. You're a night person. I'm a all times a day person buddy it's always going

you're so fucking stupid and we're back Andy Frasco's world saving podcast I'm Andy Frasco how's your heads? how's your hearts? it's late night I never do podcasts at night

I'm normally waking them up I'm waking them up with a podcast I'm waking my brain up with a podcast we're drinking cheers let's fucking go let's have a little cocktail I'm normally waking them up. I'm waking them up with a podcast. I'm waking my brain up with a podcast. Yeah, it's different. We're drinking. Cheers. We're having a little drink. Let's fucking go.

Let's have a little cocktail. We're having a little vodka. I'm having whiskey. Deep eddies. Lemon. People have been giving me whiskey bottles to test out. I think they want to, they don't want Jameson to have all the love. I get it.

It's a competitive industry. Is it? Alcohol? I don't know. I to have all the love. I get it. It's a competitive industry. Is it? Alcohol? I don't know. I guess the mafia owned it. Probably. It's got to be competitive. Really?

Everything is. These guys haven't paid us yet, so I'm going to put this this way. And this is for the people who haven't paid. It's a guest list whiskey over there. Speaking of people who've paid us, Repsy. Hey. Oh, we're going early with the ad this time.

I like it. Let's go early. Yeah. Bands. Turn them to the front. Turn that label, the Repsy label out. Whatever that is. You're on the guest list.

Label in. We got to show love to the people who've loved us since the beginning. Repsy.com. Bands, go sign up for Repsy.com. Entertainers, MCs, DJs, comedians Jugglers

I wish I'd go on the Repsy website And there's a magician I would just hire a magician to hang out I would too I love close up magic Especially if they're booking a frat house I would love to have Do you think college kids would be Obnoxious about the jokes If they're booking a frat house, I would love to have... Hard shirts, right? Yeah. If I was...

Do you think college kids would be obnoxious about the jokes, or do you think they'd pay attention? Yeah, I'm sure they'd be obnoxious. They're obnoxious people. What? All college people? Anyone under 25 is pretty obnoxious, right? Have you been on the internet?

I like young kids. Anyway, Repsy. I like them, but they're obnoxious. I mean, I'm obnoxious. I think college kids now are way more chill and way more smarter than we were. 100%. We were way more obnoxious. Yeah.

I remember not going to school, not just getting... Never mind. I did a lot of stuff. I was drinking. At 19, I was at the bar. Everyone was. Everyone had fake IDs, but I felt like some of these college kids are a little chiller. I was at the bar. I mean, everyone was, everyone had fake IDs, but like, I felt like some of these college kids are a little,

a little chiller. I killed a man. So maybe that's why when you killed a man. Yeah. Freshman year college ran over him in the middle of the night through his body in a dish. No one ever, it was kind of like a statue of libertations. Like that.

Yeah. It's been what? 75 years. So yeah, I think it's good. So sign up for repsy.com. Sign up for Repsy and getations, like that Voyeur movie? Yeah, it's been, what, 75 years? So yeah, I think it's good. So sign up for Repsy.com. Sign up for Repsy. And get your band out there.

Your agent needs all the help they could get. There's a lot of things going on. So Repsy.com, sign your band up. Speaking of that. Speaking of things going on, let's talk about... I didn't do shit today. But what'd you do last weekend? Everything.

I had a good weekend too. I stayed up till 6 a.m. on Monday. I went on a Sunday, I thought. That was Sunday after Dragon Deer. Oh, I guess it's Tuesday, so yeah. Amy watched the Bills game. What'd you do Saturday? Saturday.

What'd I do? What'd we do Saturday, Bo? I played with Menor. Oh, yeah. Saturday, we didn't do anything. Oh, we recovered. Because you were too hungover from the most ridiculous... I threw a fucking party. Oh, the dance party.

The most ridiculous thing I've ever been to in my life. How long did you stay for? I don't know. At least 45 minutes of it. I think I left after 11. What time did you guys play till? 12 something? We played till 2. Sleepy played a four-hour set. Shout out to DJ Sleepy. Scott Morrill. Four hours.

I thought... Working hard. I thought it was over at midnight. Hell hours. I thought. Working hard. I thought it was over at midnight. Hell no. He said that on the sheet. He's like, we're going to keep going. So that's why I left. I'm so glad I left when I did.

400,000 people watched it. Yeah, that's a lot. It's crazy. Did you like it? I'm so worried about your type of people coming to that show. Okay, first of all, what do you mean your type of people? Just like super like band school musicians or whatever. It sounds like a national Lampoon's movie title,

you know, just like, I can't believe there's 400 people in here watching this shit. I get that. And there is some of that. There's a tinge of it. Okay. So here's what it is.

You walk in, I walk in, I just came from the nuggets gamegets game actually with Salkin. So I was already just a little bit ready, a little bit over the night. You know, it's like a long time to go to an NBA game. It's so bright. You make me nervous when you're backstage and I'm like putting on a fucking one piece outfit.

You go. The first thing he said, I swear to God, verbatim. I wrote this down on my phone. You go, I'm Mike Tyson in this bitch. I did not say that. I was like, I swear to God. He saidim, I wrote this down on my phone. You go, I'm Mike Tyson and this bitch. I did not say that. I was like, I swear to God he said that. I was getting hyped up because that shit makes me more nervous than playing shows. Yeah, it should because it's ridiculous what you're doing.

Why? I mean, I'm not saying I don't like it. So here's the thing. Yes, I understand why you would think I wouldn't like it. And on some level... I love it. I don't look at it as a musical performance though. Okay.

I look at it as an entertainment thing. So it doesn't bother me as much. Okay. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I know that you're dying inside a little bit as you do it. Why?

I like doing it. I've done it for 30 weeks, but it's awkward. It is awkward. Especially doing it in front of a crowd. Normally we're just getting high at Scott's house and it for 30 weeks. But it's awkward for you. It is awkward. Especially doing it in front of a crowd. Normally we're just getting high at Scott's house and it was just us. I thought the crowd was going to make it worse, but it didn't. No.

Well, I never went to it at Scott's, but I thought it was going to be bad because there's a crowd there. And it was bad, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. But everybody's having a good time, so it's so hard to... Did you make videos? Yeah, I got it. That's what I was going to get to. But I want's having a good time. So it's so hard to did you make videos? Yeah, I got this. I was going to get to but I want to say what's up with all the costumes. It's a costume party. So that's the thing.

When I walk in with Salcon, I go right to the green room. Okay, because that's what I do at Cervantes. I'm not trying to be amongst the gen pop, you know, like I am. I'm just kidding. Yeah, we're the opposite. So I go that it looks like it looks like you're doing a high school production of hair but it's also a bachelorette party okay down there there's like

first of all 10 girls i've never seen before my life at cervantes so many beautiful women at that i like it really so here's this i did have a revelation revelation that all these people were stuck in their houses and you're making them happy. Yeah, so that's cool. Are you proud of me? Proud of you for what? Like like pull up that picture him in the gold, not the one with the not the one with dola in the beginning. It's just like him wearing the outfit. You're asking me if I'm proud of you. Hold on what gold outfit. Yeah, hit that one. How can I you want to play hit play? How can I possibly want to play hit play? How can I

possibly be proud of you? Look at that. Where did you get that? Someone put it on me. How does someone even get that over your body? Dude, we were just I was getting naked on stage. It looks like a condom. Look, dude, what time

do you think I look like my body looks like an hourglass. You look like the guy who's not allowed in the club like at Studio 54 in 1979 because he's too drunk and too ugly. You look like you have a hat on a cruise ship. Oh man, I

was so happy. I was having fun. It was a fun ship. Oh, man. I was so happy. I was having fun. It was a fun time. I'm not saying you're having fun. I'm saying, I'm not proud of this. You're well into your 30s, Andy. Oh, my God. I called Brian last night.

Yesterday, we had a conference call. Brian, I'm like, I want to do this more. He's like, what? Dance? Brian, if you're watching or listening, turn it off. Come back in about a minute. Maybe longer. I don't know how long I'm going to put him for this.

Damn. I was all jacked up here ripping on this. What is this? This is the best video of the night. This is where I think I was already left when this happened. Oh, it's lit. I don't even remember. Okay, first of all, Dolab was like this.

The whole time. It was so lit. Benign, fun. Everybody having a good time. What is up with Dolab? He didn't follow his foot. Okay, here we go. We're giving out mushrooms.

It's Scottie's birthday. It's more decriminalized here, guys. Go back. Okay. No, go back here, guys. Go back. Go back a little bit. Look at Scott's face. Look at Scott's face right when you say that. Pause right when he says it. We're giving out mushrooms.

Look at my little dick, dude. It looked like a thumbnail, dude. Why are your balls three times bigger than your dick? Because I haven't done anything with them. Dude. They should make a movie about your dick. Look at, damn. Just so people know, Scott owns the club where he said this.

Look at Scott. I'm like, we're giving out drugs. So anyway, you guys paid Andy's mortgage. And he did this. Scott's got so anyway that we're giving out drugs. So anyway, you guys paid Andy's mortgage. I don't think it's a crime here. It's the crimson. It's the crammed in Denver. Shout out to that. Look at Mikey Thunder. He's just always laying in the cut. Why is my balls bigger than my money than me? Your net worth probably went down 300 bucks just from that video.

I had so much fun. Maybe I was just high. No one said you weren't having fun. Everyone said it was the time of their lives. I know, but oftentimes things that a lot of people like are very bad. You got any more videos? Dolav was lit too. Do you have pictures of Dolab? Dolab wakes up lit.

Oh yeah. I think there's one more picture of Dolab. Let me see it. Dude. We are having so much fun. I love this town. No other town will let me do that. That's not true. You're probably going to do it on the road now. It's probably going to be a thing. No other town will let me do that. Have a dance party like that. That's not true. You're probably going to do it on the road now.

It's probably going to be a thing. No, I don't think so. Your band's going to have to start looking for new jobs. I don't think so. I'm just kidding. It was fun. It was fun. Good time.

Makes people happy. Blah, blah, blah. You want any more thing to drink? I'm good right now. Oh, man. So that was your weekend. That was my... But you know, like, I'm afraid to sit in.

That's like, I feel like that's my sit in. What, your own show for four hours? I don't do that like that. That was, old Frasco shows were like that. What do you mean? Just crazy. Just, I wasn't really singing like eight years ago when I was playing the frat houses and shit.

You just run around the whole time and talk? Just run around and talk. And your band would just be playing whatever the fuck they want? No, they'd play the same song. We'd just do it for like 10 minutes. I'd just tell them to turn down so I could talk. And I was high on cocaine and shit. And people enjoyed this?

I mean, enough to at least give me a chance to get serious about it. Do you feel like they started enjoying you more when you stopped doing this? When I stopped doing that and did more of music. People still like music. Yeah. People wouldn't go see that once a month, I don't think. What do you think? In Denver, maybe?

I mean, I've had so many people ask me to do this all the time. Our culture is dying. I've had hundreds and hundreds of people. What do you think it is that people like so much about it? That is just a dance party. There's no... There's so many dance parties all the time. What is specific to this one?

Because I feel like I'm the type of person who's going to break the glass. What's about you? No, I'm good at breaking the glass, so fans feel like they're part of the show. They are part of the glass. It's about you. I'm good at breaking the glass, so fans feel like they're part of the show. They are part of the show. Half of them are on stage. Yeah, but even on our show, when I talk and connect with the crowd. Yeah, that's true. You're very good at connecting people.

You're very much like a Jim Jones kind of cult leader. Jim is so good at it. I mean, he got like 800 people to drink Kool-Aid. I mean, he's got thousands of people drinking Kool-Aid. He's dead. They're dead. They all died.

You know who Jim Jones is? Oh, I thought you're talking about James Jones. Who's the guy from My Morning Jacket? Jim Jones, the cult leader. Oh, no, I'm talking Jim Jones. What's his guy from My Morning Jacket? He's a cult. Jim James.

Jim James got a cult. My Morning Jacket is culty. You know? I signed up to Bumble. What's Bumble? Is that one of the dating apps? Yeah. How are you not already on Bumble?

You're on Raya. No, I'm not on. You're not on Raya anymore? No, I'm not really on Raya. They can't handle you there, huh? It doesn't work. Everyone is too hot. They're not quite famous enough, are you?

They're not fucking with me. You're not hot enough or famous enough or rich enough. Yeah, I was like, fuck man. You gotta be one of the three. Go on Bumble, see what's up. You're a little bit of each. You're probably a catch on Bumble. No.

I'm not a catch. Why? People are scared of me. Scared of you? Just like, I'm just such an open book on these podcasts, and I'm just an open book, and I'm just talking about everything. How's that scary? Come drawer and shit.

Come drawer. You did talk about that and put it in a promo. Yeah, I put it in a promo. So I guess we'll be getting sued. I don't know. you're not a catch you're young you got some you got you own a place no kids you got a porsche kind of in a way you know yeah you drive a porsche around you know i don't know maybe it's me maybe people are trying to definitely get my attention and i'm just not seeing it you don't have to like every

girl that likes you you know that right i know well i don't have to like every girl that likes you. You know that, right? I know. Well, I don't know that yet. I think that's like you usually judge people on how much they like you, right? The more they like you, the more you like them. No, because you didn't like me at first and I loved you. I liked you. No, you didn't.

I just didn't. What? What do you mean, no, I didn't like you? I thought you were just like in the beginning, like a half. No, one time your band. No, mean? No, I didn't like you. I thought you were just like in the beginning. Like, ah, no. One time your band. No, no, no. I was not like that.

One time your band opened for my band and our tour manager caught someone in your band. Not you talking shit about my band during our set. Oh, turbo suit. Yeah. I remember that. I was there. Yeah. But I don't think you were talking shit.

I think someone was. It was like when you guys didn't understand how computers worked yet. And you guys were like, hey, every computer band. You were talking shit about that. And we were just, yeah, and we were probably talking shit about that. Yeah, every band talks shit about every other band, though. Sorry. Sorry for using Wi-Fi.

What? I want to apologize. It's fine. I'm not even mad about it. Now that I've gotten older and realized. It's a valid art form. The art... Because we do have Fatboy Slim on the show.

Also, after your dance party shit, I don't think you have any room to make fun of people playing their own tracks that they mixed and mastered. I don't make fun of those people anymore since I've done the podcast. Before, yeah. But look at you now.

You know what I mean? I was jealous. You've gone... now you know what i know i was jealous you've gone exactly there it is i was jealous we're all jealous we're all jealous we're all jealous of grizz okay if you're not jealous of grizz no he's great though but huge he's huge and he's like the nicest guy ever because i didn't know grizz and before i was jealous person oh does that make sense yeah you didn't know who he was. Those people didn't make me jealous. You had already figured it out.

Floozies made me jealous. They're the shit. Have you ever hung out with them? They're like the funniest guys. Yeah, totally. But this was back in the day. We're talking 10 years ago, right? Yeah, maybe like eight, but yeah.

Yeah, 10 years ago. So it was like fucking- Seven, yeah, whatever. Decade ago. I was just jealous because that was- You were in like that phase of your life too. Yeah. And I was fucking grinding it out at bars and fucking sleeping.

Even though we have a computer, we're still grinding it out. I know the computer doesn't drive the van. I know, but I've just was so self-absorbed. Yeah. And I, it was whatever it was. Cause I was on drugs and I was on everything. I don't think it, I don't know if you were on cocaine then. Oh, I was. You just hit drugs and I was on everything. I don't think it, I don't know if you were on cocaine then. Oh, I was.

You just hit it? I just hit it. From the ambassador of the UN, I would like to apologize for that person. Apology accepted. Now let's move on. Hell yeah. That's peace. See?

We're going to live great. Fat Boy Slim. We're going to listen to Fat Boy Slim. Great. The opposite of that. His music is very uplifting. Did you go to his show? It was so fun and happy and his interview was amazing i mean he was the biggest artist in late 90s the biggest dude he won like the more mtv video awards

than anyone in 2002 or three i can't remember he was a big alcoholic he said really yeah the interview is great i think I did a good job. Well, I did all right. I like those Brits. He's from the same town as my mom in England. Really? On Wikipedia, I recorded in South London. Yeah, shout out. Thanks for briefing me.

A brief. Big daddy. Underwear. All right, we're done. We've been talking too much. It was fun. People like it when we get a little loose. Should I get off a bumble?

I don't even know, man. Why don't we just make this one? It's a podcast. I'm just kidding, but we should look at your bumbles and check it out. You want to see it? Yeah. We can't show the people though,

but you can read it. Let me see some of these. What's that? What's the dating pool like here? I don't really get a lot. Oh, I got a couple. Oh,

any messages? Are you the cool thing about bumbles? Like I don't have to like, that's the one where it's like you can only like them if they like you first or something. Is that it? Yeah. You want to see my hair? It's designed for women to have the power.

I put the picture of the dance party. Oh, God. Hey, I'm famous. No, I didn't put anything. I'm famous. Oh, do you have a profile? Yeah. Oh, my God.

Something I learned way later than i should how good the kinks were i like the kinks the oh the band i thought you're talking about like sexual kinks no i thought you're saying like oh fuck i gotta change that yeah people don't think i'm they probably think you like want to get choked and stuff uh there's nothing wrong with that but you might not want to put it right there right away. Damn. All right, let me change. Okay, I'm not done reading your shit yet, bro. I doubt anyone's you're not that important. Okay, you know I gotta do it now before the government sees

it. All right. I'm still not over that Rose didn't. Oh my God, the Rose didn't let Leo lay on that huge. You are such a weirdo. You're like, how do I appeal to 32 year old women? That's it. Titanic.

My bio. I'm Andy. I play music. This is a bad idea. Oh my God. This is the most millennial profile ever run in my life. You know what? You know what would only make this thing more millennial as if you mentioned Betty White.

Let's read your bio. I'm Andy. I play music and talk to people for a living. And ever since Betty White passed, been looking for a baddie to fill the void exercise sometimes okay, education level in college, drink socially. Okay, I guess that's true. Since you go out seven nights a week. I'm crying. You smoke socially?

I'm not going to touch that one. Cannabis socially? Yeah. Looking for don't know yet? Definitely true. Star sign Aquarius? Okay. I got to change the kink one.

Yeah. I like the kinks though. Something I learned later than I should have. What should I say? What is something you learned really late in your life that uh you can't always get what you want but you try sometimes i don't really know the words you get what you need get what you need yeah something you need something super corny to match all your other stuff. All right. We're done.

Hold on. Hold on. Which I'd change it to. Can't. All right. Let's do this off air. All right. Put my floofer doggo.

I love floofy doggos. Have a great day. I can't believe we just. That's so embarrassing. I'm such a millennial. I'm so embarrassed that you're my friend and then that, that you have that millennial. Come on, dude. You have too much personality

I'm deleting this right now yeah I hate this alright have a good day I'm gonna delete this next up on the interview hour we got Fatboy Slim Fatboy Slim

one of the best producers DJs on the planet Came over to the house We talked about his life We talked about everything And I'm I'm just honored That he came over

And fucking It was the first The first thing he did When he came to America Was come to Frasco's house And that makes me happy So Ladies and gentlemen

Chris play a little bit Of that Fatboy Enjoy this next interview With Norman Cook A a.k.a. Fat Boy Slick. Norman fucking Cook. I've never even referred to him those times before. I like it. How you doing? Norman fucking Cook, yeah. I'm good.

I'm good. How you doing? How you doing through the quarantine? What was your process like? What were you going through? Well, I cleverly had COVID in the beginning of December. Let's go. I'll clap to it.

Get it out. Get it out of the way. I got work to do. Shit. But then my daughter got it. do. Shit. And then, but then my daughter got it the night before I came here, my daughter got it again

for the second time. So it's a little bit worse. So I just had to take one test. It's, yeah, I mean, things are, we spent the last six months

kind of just evading different countries' rules. Is the UK more strict about it all? We, no, no, we've got a government that doesn't seem

to care that much about whether we live or die frankly so um no i mean we've been open since july we've been i've been doing shows in the uk since july but then in europe we've got a kind of country's open and we play a show and then it shuts again two weeks later so it's just been ducking and dialing around what we're allowed to do and what we feel comfortable doing. Obviously, I sort of take the responsibility of not being, you know, the one-man super spreader. Yeah, same. We did 100 dates last – I'm in a band as well,

and we did 100 shows during the quarantine. And it's like every state was so different with how their protocols are. It's like you go fucking mad. You don't understand. was so different with how their protocols are. It's like, you don't, you go fucking mad. You don't understand. Well, Alan, my tour manager,

has become a sort of a master of international COVID law. Really? He just spends all week just online finding out what we need to do for each different country. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, a couple of countries. I mean, one, we played in Amsterdam and they'd only opened on the Friday, and we played on the Saturday.

And then two weeks later, they shut again. So it's like, it's little windows. But obviously, I mean, probably out of the shows I was supposed to do, I've only done about three quarters of the ones, because yeah, you lose a few. You've been gigging. How many shows do you do a year, do you think? I average about 70 a year i think yeah is that a good stable for you yeah for a man my age i think i mean the good thing about being a dj is you don't

have to go on tour for great lengths of time you can just dip your toes so i sort of play every other weekend also uh i've got i've got a single parent half the time with my daughter so i don't want to be away for too long so I just go I just go out every other weekend play three shows and then come back how old is your daughter she is she just turned 12 oh shit this is new fresh well fresh 12 years fresh ish yeah because like um that's got to be tough you're you've gotten a divorce with your wife so you're you're a single parent well we share her we did like half the time so she lives in the same town as you yeah yeah you've gotten a divorce with your wife so you're a single parent well we share her

so she lives in the same town as you? yeah yeah yeah and we're still friends it's all amicable but in terms of just my responsibility for my daughter I don't like going away for 2-3 weeks at a time and that's good you found your routine

was there ever a time where your routine was you're overworked? oh yes what years were they? Most of the 90s. Tell me about it. Well, between a kind of insatiable desire to party and an insatiable appetite for party favors, I kind of rocked my way through most of the 90s.

What was your drug of choice back then? Ecstasy was my favorite, yeah. What did you like about it? It just made me feel very happy and loved up. And I was able to solve, solve the world's problems and tell everybody that I loved them. Yeah. Until it's eight in the morning.

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but yeah so I I kind of and also but it was like having been in bands and having been DJ was always kind of a hobby during the 90s being a DJ became like a job right and we were suddenly these superstars and we could travel all over the world and do stuff so I was a bit like a kid in a candy store tell me about that transition when it was like it wasn't like the the biggest

thing and all of a sudden you get thrown into this like stardom. Was that what you've always wanted? Well, I don't know about stardom. I always wanted to work in the music. I've always loved music and always wanted to work in the music business. When I started out, the route to do that was to be in a band. So I was in bands. You're a bass player, right?

Yeah, yeah. And so I was in bands. But all the time, I had this hobby, which is DJing. Because I was in bands but all the time I had this hobby which was DJing because I was like a vinyl junkie I had all the records I enjoyed playing them to people

but it was like in those days DJing was a hobby you know you didn't get paid enough to I used to work in a record shop and I'd DJ five nights

a week and I still had to do a day job to fund my habit so you said fuck it I'm going to play the bass well no

that was, that was how you made records, how you sold records, how you made a career. So the DJing bit was always just a hobby. And we were in those days, like the DJ was just above the glass collector in the, in the food chain of nightclubs.

Yeah. In terms of how much we got paid, how seriously we were taking it. How much were you making back then? I gave 10 pound a night. Shut the fuck up. That's much were you making back then? I'd get £10 a night. Shut the fuck up. That's it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You get £10 a night and you couldn't, and you'd only play in your own city, never travel and play anywhere else because you couldn't afford the train fare. You know, what you got paid wouldn't cover it. So yeah, DJing was a hobby. And then after about 15 years of being in bands,

but still keeping my hobby going, all of a sudden the thing that I really loved doing the most, and probably arguably was better at, suddenly became a full-time job. And that was kind of, it was sort of late in my career. I was in my mid-30s by then. Yeah. And I'd been playing in bands, and all of a sudden, it's like, rather than, you know, schlepping around playing in bands with people you may or may not like and you know exactly all of a sudden just we're going solo yeah all of a sudden more people want to come hear me play records than see my band and it was like this sort of light bulb moment yeah i finally arrived after 15 years i've worked out how to do this but it but it was it was all to do with the fact that dance music and and dj culture suddenly became this big thing. And I, because

I'd been doing it for 20 years, I was kind of, I had the chops and I was straight in there. Yeah. Banging there. Before we talk about the DJ culture, I want to talk about the band culture. You're in this band for 10 years. I was in various bands. Yeah. So what was the big band that did, that got a label or got a label or any of them? Yeah. Yeah. I started in a band called the House Martins. Yeah.

or got a label or any of them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I started in a bank called the house mines. Yeah. And, um, for the first sort of three,

four years of my career. And yeah, I mean, we, we were, we were big in England and Europe. Uh, didn't do much in America.

Then I was in a band called beats international. And then I was in a bank called freak power. Yeah. And all of them, we had, you know, we've had hits in Europe and were you making a living in your twenties? So you're,

you're doing it, but you're still DJing for your hobby playing it i would do that yeah i mean a lot of time in a lot of places but when we're on tour i would we would play the gig and then someone would say oh do you want to come and play our club afterwards yeah so i used to take carry my records around with me and i used to go and get dj slots after the after the gig holy shit so you like working i i don't consider playing music work. Okay. Yeah. I'm like,

you like filling your time, all your time with music. I, I, yeah, I mean, immersed in music and I enjoy it, but also,

also I'm a bit of a show off. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. Yeah. I'm a, I'm a performer. Yeah. And so.

Who taught you that part of you? I don't know. I don't know. My parents had a sense of humor, but I don't think they were the same consummate show-offs that I am. I don't know. It's just a gene in me somewhere. So, yeah, so I've always been a performer,

and I've always loved music. So it's kind of, it's a no-brainer, really, that a career in the music business is all I've really wanted to do. And also, all I've been, you know, the only kind of talent I have. So who are your first inspirations in music? all I really wanted to do. And also, all I've been, you know, the only kind of talent I have. So, who were your first inspirations in music? Who got you,

like, really falling in love with music as a kid? As a kid, it was the Beatles. I was born in 1963, which is when the Beatles started. And so, I literally grew up listening to their music

and my parents loved them. So, I grew up with the Beatles and then I came of age during punk rock. And that's when I started playing in bands. And that was great because it kind of freed it all up. And then, but then after punk rock,

I just fell in love with like soul music and funk music and black music. And then around that time, hip hop started. So I loved hip hop. So that, that was kind of my, my, my three big influences were kind of English pop music, like the Beatles, the attitude of punk rock kind of,, my, uh, my three big influences were kind of English pop music, like the Beatles,

the attitude of punk rock kind of, you know, let's rip up the rule book and, and, and the funk of, of black music. Did you ever get to see the Beatles live in like smaller venues? No, no. Only in my mind. I'm just kidding. Um, so tell me about like living in London and stuff. I don't. Well, as a kid, weren't you living in East London? No.

Oh, this is your home in Bromley, Kent? Yeah, I was born there, but I only lived there for two years. So I don't remember a huge amount about it. Then where's Surrey? Surrey is South of London. South of London. Yeah. And then what?

Like suburbs. Were you a sports fan? Were you, did you like soccer or football? I didn't in those days because the local team was shite. What were they called? Like suburbs. Were you a sports fan? Were you, did you like soccer or football? Uh, I didn't in those days cause the local team was a shite. What were they called? They're called Crystal Palace. Yeah.

Anyone who knows about English soccer, uh, knows that they're just the scum of the earth. What about their fan base? Uh, well they are, they're the scum of the earth too, which is why I couldn't really get into them.

Yeah. What's, cause that I'm, I'm deep into sports and I feel like football culture for the fan bases is really close to like when you fall in love with your favorite band yeah well I came to I fell in love late in life uh when I when I so I grew up in Surrey and then I moved to Brighton when I was 18 to go to college and that was when I fell in love with Brian and Hove Albion. And then over the years I've gone from being a fan to, we were shirt sponsors.

Our record label was shirt sponsors for nine years. And then I was a director. I'd put some money into the club. So yeah, I'm very, the Brighton and Hove Albion very close to my heart. I kind of want to talk about that. Cause I've always wanted to like even have a partial ownership in a sports

team. Do you, how much control of anything do you have are you just like the money absolutely none no no there's a few things about it I mean I should at one point I did technically have kind of boardroom decisions but I just gave my vote to to the chairman of the board because I didn't want that responsibility of like you know who do we get as the next manager I didn't want that responsibility of like, you know, who do we get as the next manager? I didn't want it coming back on me. I don't know. So I abdicated any kind of responsibility about decision-making. And then in terms of investment, as my accountant said, when I told him I was going to do it, he said, this isn't a, this is an investment of the heart rather than the

head, isn't it? Cause I knew, you know, there's no way in hell that I would ever get the money back. So no, I was just had to bail out the team because we were skinned. We had no money. Yeah, why did you do it in the first place? Did you just... We were shirt sponsors, so we were kind of involved with the people around the team. And they basically blackmailed me. We had a great player.

And the boss took me out for lunch and laid on how we were going to have to sell him because we had no money and then he said unless somebody like yourself were to put a cash injection then we wouldn't have to sell Bobby Bissau more and I was like that sounds like blackmail he went call it what you want dear boy that's the situation

oh my god yeah so I just bailed the club out so that we didn't go under we didn't have to sell our best player so how many years were you there for well this was in about 2002 and I've still got all my

chairs in the club but they're still not worth anything no but is it still fun to go out there and feel like you own a piece of it oh yeah and the most fun thing was to have our name on the shirts and and everybody you know it's like i don't know it's that thing of you know being part of your own home team it's been it's been a fabulous journey and during that journey we've gone from the very bottom of the four tiers of the league to we're in the premier league now

which is great let's fucking go let's go dude hell. Actually, while we're talking about sports, I've got a question for you. Okay. The Denver Nuggets. Yes. Right. If, say, a gawky suburban kid from England was to have to throw the first basket

before a Denver Nuggets game, how would you approach that? Oh, we'll talk to someone. I got you. Is that you? That's me tomorrow night. I got you. You want to go tomorrow? No, I've got, that's what I'm doing. You're doing that tomorrow? Norman.

Yes. That is so fucking sick. That's a good thing, right? It's so fun. Good. It's fun, is it? Do you watch basketball? No. I can't play it either. This is the problem. Okay, this is even better. And I look shit in a wife beater. Oh my,

you're going to wear a Nuggets jersey too? They want me to. Yeah. But I've found, you see Jersey in England, this is, this is a Jersey in England. It's like long sleeve thing.

Yeah. But a Jersey for us, that's like, yeah, it's a vest. This is how you get on world star. It shows off your lack of shoulders and stuff like that. So I've got to stand there for all these people looking like a weedy,

scrawny idiot. And I don't know how to hit the basket. Oh my God. So this is this, you know, this is a double-edged sword because if you really fuck up, I was hoping you were going to be on world star slim air balls. But first of all, what's an air ball air balls when you don't even make the rim. So like, even if you feel like it's going to be too long, go longer and at least hit the backboard. Okay. I don't even know what the back is.

The backboards, the, the, the, it's the plastic behind the rim. Okay. I'm just going to, yeah,

you're going to have fun. Yeah. This is so, I mean, how, how, how in, in terms of humiliation,

how bad will it be? If I just look like I can't play basketball at all? Fuck them. Fuck them. Let's go. Fuck them. We don't need them.

That's so cool. Have you ever done anything like that? No. Oh my God. It's going to be a blast. And like I said, I've never played basketball

in my life. I mean, I might be really good. Oh, then you're good. I might just slam dunk it or whatever. What if you make that shit?

I might, yeah. It's a half court shot. So they'll give you two, they'll give you two times or three times. Oh, I need one more. So you're good. Oh, then you're good. I might just slam dunk it or whatever. What if you make that shit? I might, yeah. It's a half court shot. So they'll give you two, they'll give you two times or three times. Oh, I only want one. So you're good.

I just want to do one and get, get it over with, frankly. Cause it's like a timeout. This is like from the free shot line, right? It's from the half court. So it's half the court.

Oh, gee. What? I'm not from the halfway line. So, oh, so you're doing a free throw. They said from the free throw line.

Oh, you're good. That's only 20 feet. That's doable, right? You're doable. You're good. You're good. We got you. Good jujus.

Norman, you're getting it. Have you got a boo the English guy sound effect? I got a muh. That's probably more what it's going to sound like. Yeah, I love it. That's exciting. So do you like um coming back to america do you like touring in america or is it kind of a pain in the ass

i like it yeah i mean it's i've had a strange sort of career in america tell me about it well until fat boy slim i'd had three bands and you basically haven't heard me so i was successful everywhere in the world apart from America sorry about that my ignorance well no no no because we never did shit in America that's fine

you wouldn't have heard of us so a lot of English bands it's like when you get really big in Europe it's like

all you want to do is I want to crack America I never really kind of had that desire and America didn't seem to like us so I was cool with that

but then with Fatboy Slim all of a sudden people liked me over here so I was cool with that but then with Fatboy Slim all of a sudden people liked me over here so I started coming over the biggest fucking thing out and it was great it was great it felt like we were bringing something different even though I was quite aware that I was just regurgitating American music that I really loved yeah I'm doing it my way in the way that the Beatles came back and you know yeah and so I and I had a great time for about five years we did some great shit I played at Red Rocks here

so sick and it really felt like we were doing something but then when I don't know I kind of ran out of momentum and then

EDM came and I didn't really feel part of that and I kind of lost my I lost my erection over over America yeah and it's quite hard work

because it's such a big country you have to come out here and work so much and so it's been kind of lower on my list of priorities. Yeah. And in the meantime, like Brazil absolutely loved me. So I'm like, fuck it. Fuck America. We're going to Brazil. I wasn't going to say fuck America. I'll say it for you. Um, yeah. So I haven't, so I haven't actually been here for four years. So tonight is my first, it's kind of like- This is your first show in America tonight?

Yeah, for four years. At my buddy Scotty Morrill's venue. Yeah. Or you're doing Ogden tonight and then Cervantes. Yeah, Cervantes tomorrow. This is so exciting. And so, yeah, so it's quite exciting. So it's like, what kind of love is there still here for me?

Yeah, we'll find out. Do you mind that I went and cheated on you for the last 10 years? Brazil. That Brazilian woman took our boy fat boy. She, she loved me. She loved me more. She loved me longer and she was better looking.

Well, I hope American gives you more attention these days. I want to talk about that. That's very fascinating. What you said about the EDM world. So when did like your style of music start changing into this like really heavy, it's like, feels like metal music, EDM now. I don't know.

I mean, EDM, it just, it was at the wrong end of the spectrum of house music or dance music or what we liked. And it was sort of based on the same kind of four four principles but it's just it's not really the same thing for us yeah it's just pop music using the beat from house music right and um and i just never really felt a kinship but because i'd kind of been doing crossover dance music immediately before it yeah people thought that that would be the next.

And then tons of people I was working with, like David Guetta and Swedish House Mafia, who'd been doing the same thing as me, they kind of went and brought them down. But I just couldn't go with them on it. It was just too much like pop music. It was too commercial. It was too based around kind of hot tubs and women with big tits

and over-expensive bottles of vodka, you know? It's like new age pop music, like you were saying. Well, yeah, but even worse than that, it was kind of, it was like, for us, dance music was like a soulful thing about going into a dark, dingy room and sharing an experience with other people on the dance floor and it was dirty and sexy.

And this is just like, I want to show off how big my tits are and, you know, what car I drive and everything. And I just, I mean, I'm how big my tits are and you know what car I drive and I just I mean I'm not slagging it off it just wasn't for me yeah totally

so it feels like authenticity is so important to you yeah and you don't want to just play shit that no do you think

I'm too old to do that I'm too old to play shit just for the sake of it and I've been going long enough I don't need to do it for the money or the kudos or my ego

or whatever so i'm quite happy to yeah sort of stand back or just but also another thing was especially after the fat boy slim thing out of all the things i've done that was kind of the biggest and i finally finally broke america and everything like this and it was like i was a little bit scared rather than like this is it it. I want more. I want world domination. I actually kind of felt like I wanted to take a step back. What were you scared about? Well, it was all become a bit unmanageable. And at the same time, I'm, I'm married a radio DJ in England and we become, it became this sort of celebrity couple and tabloid fodder. And, and I just, that wasn't you. It wasn't me. No.

Is that when you got into drugs heavy? No, I was already doing that. No, no, no. That was all part of it. But, um, but then, well, then it was like, I couldn't take drugs in public because there's people following me around and taking pictures. And what was the worst moment?

Like where you're super fucked up and they got you. I never, I never really got busted. I mean, things I outed myself cause I, I was told of what I was doing. So like a drug story on me wasn't going to be a big scoop. You know, it's like everybody, they'd print it. It's like everyone go,

yeah. And, um, no, it was, it was more that it was more that for, for eight, for by then for 15 years,

I'd had a career in the music business where I had a degree of success that I was comfortable with. I had a degree of fame that was comfortable, but the only people who recognize me in the street and came up and said hello were people who liked me. And they go, Oh, you know, I went to your show.

I love you. You know? Yeah. Uh, but then when you become like tabloid famous, everybody recognizes you, whether they like you or not. That's,

that's the worst. That's the bit I didn't like was that people would just, you know, shout wanker at me in the street really and and I was like oh yeah

but they knew my name as well so they knew my name and wanker so um yeah and did you become like a recluse like did you stay at home

like you didn't want to go out not really but I definitely took my foot off the gas in terms of my career yeah do you regret that or no no

no not at all because now 15 years later, I'm still here and I'm still having fun and I'm not at that level where it consumes your whole life. And I managed to bring up two kids and managed to be around

for a large chunk of their childhood, which I probably wouldn't have done if I was. Still chasing some rabbit hole. Yeah. And in the midst of it, I got sober as well. That had to be done 14 years ago. Okay.

So can we talk about that a little bit? So during the time of like getting sober, you're basically in the tabloids. You're, were you starting to have a bad, a worse relationship with your ex-wife? Or like, how did,

you said like everyone knew you, but like maybe the people that they were so close to you, you weren't as close with. I was just, I was just wasn't enjoying it and I was doing too much and it was beginning to hurt and I was probably going to be doing my self damage and my relationship with my wife damage. And,

um, yeah, I just, I kind of had enough. Do you remember the moment that you felt broke down? Can you tell me that story? No, I just, just kind of had enough. Do you remember the moment that you felt broke down? Can you tell me that story? No, just,

just, was it a show or something? You weren't even having fun? I was just sitting around at home and my wife just went, shame on you. Oh, fuck. And I,

at that moment I was like, actually, I am ashamed of myself. And also, but also I thought that this is going to affect our relationship. You know, this, you're,

you're now getting pissed off with me. And so I didn't want to lose her and I didn't want to lose my fat, my son. Yeah. this is going to affect our relationship. You know, you're now getting pissed off at me. And so I didn't want to lose her and I didn't want to lose my son. So it was like, you got to wise up. Yeah. So what was your first step of wising up? Rehab.

Yeah? Yeah. What'd you learn in rehab that made you want to stop? I learned that if I carry on drinking, it's just going to get worse. Yeah. And I can't go back to it

because it'll just be shit. Yeah. So no, I mean just, I'm, I'm an alcoholic and I've got to spend my rest of my life recovering and, uh, and not,

not doing that. Well, fuck yeah. I'm glad you're fucking healthy. Let's go. Let's go. Killer. So are you a hypercritical about yourself?

No, not really. Uh, is it hard for you to like put out new music or is it hard for you to? I, um, I've kind of fell out of love with putting out music.

Why? I don't know. I just, it always used to really excite me and I was, I mean, I generally had at least sort of two acts

going on. Like, you know, I'd be Fatboy Slim, but I'd also be Mighty Dubcats or Pizza Man. So,

I was really prolific and I was a kind of workaholic and all I wanted to do was make more tunes and there was tons of ideas waking me up in the middle of the night. I go, I want to do that. And I was really, really prolific for like 20 years. And then around the time I got sober, I just

fell out of love with making music. And I've been doing it for 30 years and maybe I've just run out of steam. Maybe making music yeah and i've been doing it for 30 years and maybe i mean maybe i've i've just run out of steam maybe i'm getting too old but i just i just did i just didn't wake up with the fire in my belly to do that anymore but at the same time i did still had the fire in my belly to dj and so yeah so for the last 15 years, I've been DJing and not putting out much music. And that's fine, I think, because like what's fucked up about social media era is

like we have to put out new content all the time. And we always feel like there's so much pressure putting out new content, new content. Well, maybe like you don't want to like, if you don't have any fuel in the tank, why are we going to just put out something just because it's shit? Yeah. I don't think that's got anything to do with social media it's just what do you think it is well i don't i don't feel i've been inflict music on you unless i really

think you're gonna like it yeah and unless i'm confident that it's the absolute shit you know it's like the dog's bollocks um it's funny what you said about the about the internet because i had that me not making music is sort of coincided with the internet with social media and the internet i'm just thinking maybe there's a connection there that i haven't got what what's your stake on the music industry now versus in the 90s i don't know it's just it's just changed in the formats of it all um because you're now trying to get streamed or make your your make your living by by live i mean but it went back in those days you would you would make your money out of records and you'd lose money touring and you'd you'd borrow money off the

record company to lose it because that was your the way you sold records and now it's completely the opposite way around now people give away records so that you'll come and see them live. Come and see you live. And I suppose that's played into my hands because I'm quite, I'm really happy about DJing and DJing actually pays you a regular thing. Whereas releasing records until recently, since they've kind of sorted the streaming revenue thing out, it was like for a while,

it was like records were just like a lost leader that you pretty much gave away so that people could come to your gigs do you think that's the valuing the art of music yeah absolutely but i mean i'm old school i i grew up with vinyl which is like this sexy thing that you bought and you took home and you've had part of it and you read the sleeve notes and you you were invested in in uh the act and music and it became part of your life now it's a lot more disposable because you're just like i have access you know it's like you can stream whatever you want you don't have to save up your pennies and go to the record shop and buy that record and you don't feel quite so connected to it and it's a bit like for years but the people come up to talk to you about what you're doing.

And if they really want to impress that you were, it's not just, Oh, I'd kind of like, it's like, I'm a proper fan. They go, I've got all your records.

You know, and they talk to you about the really obscure, obscure ones. And now it's like, you come up and say, I have access to all your records. It's like, well,

everybody's got access to all my records. So that's not, so yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't like to bang on about it too much because obviously

I come from a different era but I I kind of I think I grew up during a golden era for pop music yeah

I kind of I had the excitement of punk rock and start your own band doesn't matter if you can't play very well fuck it you know and I had that

and it was when artists were finally getting paid in the 70s and the 60s you get ripped off by record companies

and it's like we're getting paid and it was and you know MTV owned you up to around the world so I think I lived through

a golden age of it but it's different now it's kind of it's the there's there's

there's pros and cons, I think. What are the cons? The cons are it's probably way harder to establish as a new musician. I think established musicians, you've got your back catalogue, which would go out on streaming platforms, but to get your foot in the door is a lot harder, I think, now. Yeah. Unless you're really really savvy with your social media and really savvy and there are this sort of shortcuts around

it but i don't know it's uh maybe i just don't understand social media enough to know how to do it yeah it strikes me that the new artists find it more difficult to to make their voice heard yeah and like new artists like the artists that actually pop are actually like better at marketing. Yeah. I mean, what has changed is like to my, the other day I was talking to someone about my son who's 21 now and one of my relative,

aging relatives. I said, what's Woody doing now? Like, well, he's sort of DJing, but he's sort of he was on a reality tv show and he's your son yeah and he sort of makes his money by you know

he does stuff on social media and he gets paid and i'm like oh my god my son's an influencer and it was like oh christ it Christ, it's like, worse than a meeting, you know, and I suddenly, I suddenly realized, fuck, he's an influencer, now, I didn't want that influence,

suddenly, yeah, there was tons of things, routes he couldn't go, but yeah, he is, I mean, he,

he does a bit of DJing, but he doesn't pay for his living, he, he has been on a couple of reality TV shows, but that's, but yeah, he does, he's an influencer, And I'm so ashamed

of him. I mean, I love him dearly as my son, but I didn't want him to be an influencer. What is some of the advice you give a guy or your son who's 21 going into the show business? Well, I just sound like dad every time I, you know, cause he, I try and give him, because I've had a career in in joe i try and impart some of my wisdom onto him but when i start saying things to him all he hears is like i was the same dad who was telling me to clear up a room and do my homework he's now telling me not to do that so he doesn't really kind of listen to it but also i can't you know i don't really know because if you know in world of influencers, I don't know what on earth he's supposed to do.

You know, I can only tell him about DJing because that's what I know. I know what I'm talking about. So, yeah, I don't know. I mean, what I would say is like, actually rehearse enough, practice enough for your DJing to actually be a really good DJ.

So you could just be a DJ and you don't have to sell your soul doing fucking likes on Instagram. Dance parties. Yeah, yeah. Get a proper job. But then that reminds me of my parents when I said I wanted a career in pop music.

They're like, why don't you get a proper job? So I think it's just a generational thing. You always want your children to do something a little bit more worthy. Were your parents hard on you? Yeah, they weren't hard on me, but they hated the idea of me being in, doing pop music. Why?

Because my dad's brother had been in pop bands in the 60s and he got absolutely ripped off and chewed up and spat out and probably shagged up the ass as well by his manager, you know. And he just thought, he didn't think it was a career. He thought it was something you did and then you just got abused. And, you know, it's kind of one level up from being a stripper, I think, in his eyes. In his eyes.

Yeah, so he wanted me to be a lawyer or something like that or just any proper job. Yeah. And I was obsessed with pop music. So all the way through my growing up. He was very proud of me about everything apart from my career choice but that kind of spurred me on to do it more yeah I mean that's the fuel

did he ever say he was proud of you once he saw you like fucking blowing up eventually he had to yeah did you feel like it wasn't genuine no I think we eventually made our peace but I remember on Christmas I went back and had a brand new BMW.

He went, nice car. What year was this? This is about 86, 87 with the house wines. And he said, nice car. Where'd you get that from? I'm like, well, I bought it. He said, where'd you get the money? I said, well, you know this pop career?

You know how you saw me on top of the pops last week he said I didn't think you made that kind of money out of being a pop star and he honestly didn't think

that you could afford to buy did that offend you no I kind of it made me understand how little he understood about the pop business even though I'd had

a number one record and been on top of the pops he didn't think I would have earned enough to buy a car out of it yeah and yeah no yeah I mean he

he's very proud of my both my parents are really proud of me now but they just they still don't quite understand it they still they'll go to a

gig and feel the energy of the crowd and the love that they're showing me. You know, they came to the gigs I did in Brighton Beach where there's like a quarter of a million people there all going nuts. Fucking crazy. You could see them still thinking, he's just playing records and waving his arms around at them.

You know, they don't get that you're doing a whole fucking thing in there. That's insane, dude. Yeah, to them it's still just just i'm just playing records to them which i suppose i am but this is it so was it like in a way like you know deeper inside of you because i talk about like um you know like mental health a lot with a lot of my american artists i interview and then I talk about mental health with some of my UK artists, like mental health. It's like, what we,

we push that down, like in a sense of like, was that like fuel for you that they didn't understand who you are. So you kept going to like prove them wrong. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't classify that under the mental health, uh,

sort of, or just like building the anxiety of being successful in front of your parents to make your parents proud. No, it's the whole point of the, the wanting to say fuck you to them. Yeah. You know,

that's that punk rock. Yeah. The punk rock thing. I just wanted to make music that they didn't understand and that they found offensive. Fuck yeah. And, and then,

and then the fact that they didn't think that that was what I should do with my life just made me want to do it and be really successful. Fuck you. Yeah, fuck you. So yeah, I think it's that age thing. I mean, the mental health side of it is a whole different story.

What about with your addictions with alcohol? Was it the same type of parallel where like, I could do this while being fucked up? Like, fuck you. Like, was it the same type of parallel where like, I could do this while being fucked up. Like, fuck you. Like, was it any parallel with that? No,

I mean, that was probably more about me. I was just having tons of fun and there was free booze everywhere. And it's the one job you can do drunk. So you weren't suppressing anything for drinking. You're just having fun. I wasn't suppressing anything. No,

nothing. No stone was left unturned and nothing was suppressed um but it would they but with with the the drinking that i had to with stopping drinking i had to take the risk that i wouldn't be able to do my job anymore because i've it was always fueled by that and being a dj you're always around and uh and to be honest i very rarely ever dj'd sober in my whole life. So I was like, well, when I knew I had to quit drinking, I thought I might have to give up my job as well.

I just thought. Was that heartbreaking? Yeah. Well, it would have been heartbreaking had I had to. Yeah. Turns out I'm actually a better DJ when I was sober. I didn't realize that. How many years did it take you to realize you were a better DJ sober? Like those first two years must have been really hard to adjust no i only took about three or four weeks to be

honest holy shit yeah or maybe i just didn't remember it before that's a thing too though yeah so like but i mean the way i look at it was that i put 30 years of of hardcore partying into knowing how the party brain works. So I think as soon as I get out there, I kind of, I'm back in that, I'm back in that zone. I kind of know, I know how their brain works at that point. So I know how to push the right buttons. How do their brains work? We just, it's, you've surrendered yourself to escapism and hedonism and you just

want the noise to take you higher and make you more free from the shackles of your everyday life and just for the next two hours you want to be sexy and free and irresponsible and and music you know certain noises and certain drops and bills can do that and i kind of got that you know, certain noises and certain drops and builds can do that. And I kind of got that, you know, having walked that walk for 30 years, I kind of know, I know where it goes. Do you remember the first time you felt that to build a massive party? Do you remember that first show? No, the weird thing was, it was when I surrendered myself to instinct. Because the first thing that happened when I started DJing cyber was i had this other voice that started talking to me during the gigs which was kind of my conscience or by my conscious self right it's going why are you doing that you know what

and and should you be here you know at your age really and what really are you doing you're just you're just making a load of squelching noises and making people wave their arms around and, you know, like belittling. Yeah. And we're not playing, just questioning it.

Oh. And do you want to play that record next? I mean, sure. Sure. That's the right one. And I'd be just, I'm in this conversation where I go,

just shut up. I'm working. And yeah, for, for a couple of, for a couple of months I had this, this questioning thing. And then one day I must have had such a good gig

that I just said, oh, just shut up. I don't need you. When I'm on stage, you just stay in the dressing room and I don't need you anymore. And ever since then, I kind of surrender that conscious self when I go on stage. And I have this kind of ritual where I put the Hawaiian shirt on and I take my shoes off.

I stop being Norman Cook, who's a responsible father of two. And I become Fatboy Slim, my stupid alter ego, who's completely irresponsible, but very, very intuitive DJ. It's just,

it's so fascinating. What about when you were drinking? You didn't have to think about that routine. It was just like, it was there. It was done. I was just in the moment. Yeah.

Like, yeah. In the, in the now yeah like yeah in the in the now and then or whatever you call it uh yeah i mean it it was weird because when i was drinking i i could be so fucked up that i couldn't talk and struggled with walking but as soon as i got on stage everything just adrenaline well um no i mean what do you think it is well as drinking sometimes means you lose the power of speech. Sometimes you lose your balance or whatever and sense of proportion.

But for a DJ, you don't really need those qualities. So when I was DJing, it was just me, the music, and them, and the crowd, and the moment, and the noise, and the excitement. And so, yeah, it was just working on an instinct. How many voices do you have inside of you, you think? Just the two. What are the two? The one that's always questioning everything?

What's the other one? Well, there's the sensible one and the irresponsible one, basically. Yeah. What's the sensible? Has the sensible one ever got you out of trouble? Oh, frequently, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The sensible one made me stop drinking so I could switch the irresponsible one on and off and it didn't,

I wasn't irresponsible 24 hours a day. So when the irresponsible one or the one who questions everything is always in your ear, does the sensible one ever come to talk to you? No, I leave the sensible one in the dressing room when I go on stage. I mean, to be honest, these days, the irresponsible one only actually comes out for those two hours when I'm on stage. Yeah. And I put him straight back in the box. What about like after touring, like after a big old tour,

does that unquestionable voice question like your life off the stage? Well, no, because the sensible me doesn't let me go on tour for too long anymore. Oh, okay. What about back then? Back then, yeah. I mean, back then I really had trouble knowing the boundaries of where Norman ended and Fatboy Slim began. And more importantly, the other way around. Yeah.

So, yeah, sort of i was living my life as fat boy slim and the whole time and was kind of suppressed and he only came out when fat boy slim got told off oh shit you had to go into rehab or something yeah did that make you sad that norman couldn't come out as much back then or were you just too you know high to well no because fat boy has a lot more fun than norman norman has to be just too you know high to well no because Fatboy has a lot more fun than Norman, Norman has to be sensible and you know think about things and the consequences of his action yeah Fatboy just goes

fuck it, fuck it let's have some fun, no of course not I mean but therein is the problem that's the problem, that's why I had to stop and then now do you feel like you have a balance between Fatboy and Norman? Yeah yeah I mean very very like I said I only get Fatboy and Norman? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, very, very,

uh, like I said, I, I only get Fatboy out to go on stage or perform. Um, probably the, the, the, the grayest areas right now.

Yeah. Because half, I'm sort of, yeah. You're like almost there. Yeah. And yeah, every time I go to say something contentious or,

you know, like swear or something, Norman goes, you sure you want to swear? You sure you want to mention ecstasy? Oh, fuck it. What about regarding marketing? Like, you know like swear or something norman go you sure you want to swear you sure you want to mention ecstasy oh fuck it what about regarding marketing like you know when you're marketing fat boys slim was the fat boy voice in there was norman is this like always been a master you're so good at marketing all those videos you made i don't know if you're main part of those but i assume you were yeah yeah tell me who's who's

who's running the ship there norman or fat boy slim oh that was fat boy yeah um no i mean in those days when i was making those videos fat boy was running pretty much my whole life and the i mean i can't really take the credit for the videos because it was spike jones and people like that who were making them but i was i was finding these people or bumping into these people yeah this is the guy he's fucking nuts yeah he's gonna do something and

yeah I mean it's yeah the the you know the showbiz bit is is gotta be Fatboy and

and yeah I mean that's why that's why I wasn't sure about this because I'll do podcasts or interviews

where I'm Norman and I'll do ones where I'm Fatboy and this one's a kind of a bit of both yeah because I'm in Fatboy Mo because I'll do podcasts or interviews where I'm Norman and I'll do ones where I'm Fatboy. And this one is a kind of a bit of both. Yeah. Because I'm in Fatboy Moe because I've got to play tonight. Yeah. And I'm here to entertain you rather than necessarily speak the truth or sense. Yeah.

I want you to be. I think you've got a nice balance of the both. I think I'm getting it. So tell me about me and Spike. What was that like? That was just freaky. It was just freaky. It was just... Were you a fan of him already?

I didn't realize I was a fan. I had no real interest in videos. I didn't really like pop videos. And we were getting to a point where we had to make pop videos. And I was in LA to make the Rockefeller skank video, which I wasn't really enjoying the process of. And it was all getting... Why?

What didn't you like about it? It was just getting very expensive and very cliched. And it wasn't what I wanted it to be, but we were in LA to film it. And I go into my hotel room, there's a little VHS cassette with a little note saying, dear Norm, I saw this guy dancing to your song and thought you might like to see it.

Love, Spike. And I put it on and it was this crazy crackhead dancing to rockefeller skank outside the chinese theater doing this really shit break dancing and bumping into people and i was like oh god this is a record company i'm like this is the video we should be making tomorrow not not this overblown cliche ridden rubbish and they went you know who that's from don't you know i went spike this guy called spike is that not spike jones he did all and they told me a couple of cliche ridden rubbish. And they went, you know who that's from, don't you? And I went, Spike, this guy called Spike.

Is that not Spike Jones? He did all that. And they told me a couple of videos and it's like, they're the only videos I've ever liked. Yeah. The Daft Punk one with the broken arm, the Bjork one where she lifts off in the air. Yeah.

And the Blur one with the milk bowl. And I was like, oh, this is, so I was like, can we get him to this? Well, he can't do this single,

but he could do the next one. And so that begat, basically we took that to this? Well, he can't do this single, but he could do the next one. And so that begat, basically we took that idea and that became the praise you video, which just launched my whole career. It did. Around the world. And, and it was,

yeah. And it was, it was just a perfect moment, but Spike had found me and I thank him to this day for, for doing that. And for me working out how to make videos that I actually enjoyed the process of. And one of the most important bits was I didn't have to be in the process. I would just find people who had crazy ideas that maybe,

that just didn't take it seriously. Again, coming back to that thing of, you know, I didn't want videos to be like, hey, I got all this, I got chicks with big tits. It's just like, what's the point? Well, and it also goes back to like your intuition of partying. It's like when you overthink it, when you just follow your gut and your instinct,

you make better stuff. So like you found this video, like this is it. Fuck this million dollar video that this label is making and let's put this out. Yeah. And then the next video then um spartan introduced me to roman coppola because he was going out with sofia at the time and uh then i said can i make a video i said yeah and his idea was just to blow shit up

he's going with these things and we get a toilet and then we blow that up all in really like hyper slow motion i don't if we're just gonna blow shit up and that up all in really like hyper slow motion I went are we just going to blow shit up and he went yeah blow shit up in slow motion I'm like you're in yeah so that was the next video we did and then

and then I did two with Spike and then the other one he did with Christopher Walken was just genius yeah what was that like me and Christopher that was totally Spike that

basically Spike just rang me up one day and he said I'm just having dinner with Christopher Walken he's dropping tons of hints about wanting to get his dancing down on tape while he's still young enough to do it. How about him tap dancing in the next video?

I went, yep, fine. He said, okay, I'll go in and tell him. And he went in and, and,

and, and, but they scripted the whole thing. I was supposed to do a cameo. Yeah. As the bell hop in the beginning of it. But my wife decided to give birth to our child that, that same weekend. So I couldn't, so I had no input into that video at all, apart from going,

yes, to Spike when he rung me. Being a DJ and just having this life, then all of a sudden you're just swarmed with amazing directors in Hollywood. Yeah. What was that like? It was really, it was really exciting. Were you enjoying the moment or were you like, this is surreal?

I was absolutely on the crest of this wave. Just go, whoa. And you knew you were on a wave like this shit's popping. Oh yeah. Yeah. And for the first time in life, I didn't have to have band meetings with the rest of the band about what we were going to do.

I just followed my instincts and it seemed like the, the, it seemed like the more rules I broke and the less seriously I took it, the better it went, which is kind of. And that's everything we're inspired by, by the punk music and by rock and roll. Yeah.

It's just like, let's break some rules, but, but not just trying to be rebellious for the sake of it, but just being rebellious just to make people laugh and go like, why are you taking this seriously? I mean, think about what we were talking about today about the difference between Fatboy and Norman.

The one thing they do both have in common is that they don't take everything seriously. In fact, they don't take much seriously. And I think that's quite important in my career. And so meeting people like Spike and Roman and Hammer and Tongs and being able to make videos that kind of just took the piss out of me videos music everything it was kind of very liberating and and enormously successful to to launch me around the world is it finally break

america let's fucking go, Norman! Let's go! You say the similars of Norman and Fatboy are not taking things too seriously. That get you in trouble with the loves of your lives and your kids and stuff? Oh, no, no. Because I think I've always punched above my weight when it comes to partners. And it's

probably my sense of humor. My rugged good looks. So I think my sense of humor... You got a big dick. We know it, Norman. It's humor that it's not my my rugged good looks so i think my sense you got a big dick we know it's all good big old hog leg sadly not no um no no because i know it's part of me i know i mean there's there's things that you do take seriously i'm trying to think what they are but there are things that i mean i take my kids seriously but then i don't take life seriously with them i think they admit that i don't take much seriously and that's probably why they like me as a dad. Cause I'm funny.

Yeah. Um, so no, I know. I think that's, I think, um, is that important?

That's what I think. That's one of my traits that's, that's never let me down. Yeah. That's how he's been too. I never really got too serious about it. And I feel like it, it keeps me happy and it keeps me grounded.

It keeps other people around you happy. And then if, then no one will slag you off if you never take yourself seriously. Cause they're not like, Oh, you told me, you know, you're not real or you're not living up to,

you know, you don't have anything to live up to. Right. And yeah, it kind of lowers every, lowers the bar of expectations of you. Yeah. Apart from if one day you've,

you've, you weren't funny anymore. But then again, you don't, I mean, not even saying I'm funny. I just say, I don't take things seriously.

exactly. Oh man, this has been a blast. Thank you, Norman. Well, thanks for having me. I've,

I've, I've really, when we got the phone call about doing the, the basketball thing, I was like, that's really nice. Cause we didn't, we,

you know, they came to us. They just saw that I was playing and invited me. And the same thing, you just, you kind of, we were in your town and you, and you extended. That means a lot. Your hospitality. And I appreciate that. I'm and inviting me. And the same thing, you just, you kind of, we were in your town and you extended your hospitality.

And I appreciate that. I'm coming out tonight and I'm playing Cervantes the same night you are, but in the other room. Oh, right. So we're hanging out. Oh, competition. Yeah, we're playing after you. Oh, that's all right.

That's okay. Yeah, no, you guys, you're a fucking legend. I'm just a dude dancing to 80s music tomorrow night. So you're good. So is there pressure to play the old stuff when you come back to, you haven't come back to America or can you just do whatever the fuck you want? You don't feel like you're a brain.

Oh, I don't know. I haven't really thought about that. Most of the time I play references to the old stuff. I refuse to play, go out and play Praise You in its original form. Yeah. Because it doesn't fit with the kind of set. Because I play pretty much four on the floor house music these days. So most of my tunes, I couldn't play in the original form anyway

because it would just break up the flow of the music. But also after, you know, 20 years it's been, it's like I've just got a bored tit list of playing them. But you'll hear references I kind of use remixes of them or whatever

and I like I like dropping that but I yeah I do every now and then people kind of go on Instagram

and go I can't be sure you didn't play any of the hits well you did but just little bits of them and I just go

sorry sorry life's too short so no I mean there'll be references to the hits, but that's one of the things that frees me

and the reason that even at my age I still love DJing is because I'm still coming at it as a point of I love music, I love playing other people's music, and I love turning other people on and saying, have you heard this yet? You know, this is great. Rather than before you go on tour to sell your album. So it's like,

if you didn't play your album, then there's, what's the point of going on tour. Now I go on tour as a DJ, just simply to entertain people. I'm not trying to educate you. I'm not trying to sell my new record to you. I'm just coming here to party with you and have fun.

And, and that. Are you happier because of that? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It feels like there's so much pressure. Like what was your last record?

Oh, four. I don't even know. Uh, each lead, rave, repeat, I think was the last. And, uh, do. It feels like there's so much pressure. Like, what was your last record? 04? I don't even know. Each Sleep, Rave, Repeat, I think was the last. And do you feel like there was... I'll put... This is how serious I am. I can't even remember.

I must have had ones out since then. I'm looking to my tour manager. Oh, The Ladies. Oh, yeah. You see, this is... Every now and then, I'll try and do I had one cut with

Dan with Eats Everything called All The Ladies and it came out the week that lockdown started oh my god and we were so we put out a club record

the week that the club shut for a year and a half everyone shut down and then that's it I'm like we're done I'm going back to DJ as soon as I'm allowed to

I'm going back to DJ I'm done with this throwing the towel to DJ. As soon as I'm allowed to, I'm going back to DJ. I'm done with this. Throwing the towel on fucking records. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God's trying to tell me something here. He brought this pandemic right on down on us.

What irony. Just to remind me not to make records anymore. What irony is that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck it. Don't overthink it.

I mean, the thing is, the thing is, I, I, I, it took years for me to realize that I'm a better DJ

than I'm a songwriter or a bass player or a musician. And I'm happy with that. I'm happy that I'm a good DJ and that I can entertain people. And that's enough. I don't need to have...

Did it used to eat you up? Sorry? Did that used to eat you up that you weren't making good records? In your eyes? Because they're probably amazing records to your fans. I think probably the latter. I mean, the last serious record I put out came out again.

God was trying to tell me something. It came out the week I went to rehab. So I wasn't around to promote it and it didn't do very well. And it was my first kind of flop. And I think part of me just went, oh, yeah, you know, this is for fun anyway. I haven't had a flop for a few years and now, you know, the writing's on the wall.

And yeah, so that was probably part of it. But yeah, until then, yeah. I mean, that's the thing. When you're having hits, if you've had like a top five hit and then you only have a top 10 hit, then the record company go, ooh. It's like, if you told me three 5 hit and then you only have a top 10 hit then the record coming up it's like if you told me

3 years ago I was going to have a top 10 hit I'd be really really pleased about it but now it's seen as a failure

so yeah in a way I kind of stepping back and allowing myself just to be happy to be second or third best

row and trying to be the best that's fucking beautiful Viva La Underachiever Viva La Underachiever that's a new record that was the that was the working title for you come a long way baby really all the way through it was called viva underachiever but then in the just before it came out i just had three top 10

records and then someone said who is this underachiever that you're talking about i think people might not be able to swallow that one. So we changed the title right at the last minute because if you look at, well, the fat kid who is on the cover

everywhere apart from America is this fat kid, really fat kid with a can of beer in one hand, fag in the other and a t-shirt that says, I'm number one, so why try harder?

And that was the original Viva. I was like, fuck it. Oh my God. I'll settle for second best. No, I'll strive for second best, but I'll settle for third. Yeah, that's, I mean,

I'm starting to realize that's the happier life. You know, like talking about tabloids and stuff and how much pressure it was. Like sometimes you need to disappear for a little bit. Yeah. I mean, I don't think I've disappeared or I just took my foot a little bit. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't think I've, I've disappeared or I just, I just took my foot off the gas. Yeah.

It's like, I just, it really felt like I was driving too fast. Yeah. And a couple of the corners, it's like, I just didn't feel comfortable or safe at that speed. So I just took my foot off the gas.

Well, I'm glad you're here. And I'm, and because of that, you know, I'm still on the road and I still got my license. Yeah's go Norman thanks for being on the show well thanks for having me it's been a pleasure likewise I can't wait to see your show I've been so looking forward to this and I got one last question it's a two-part question um what does Norman Cook want to be

remembered by and what does Fatboy Slim want to be remembered by uh interesting fat boy slim would just be one of you remembered as the stupidest motherfucker you ever had the pleasure of partying with and norman would like to be norman would just happy to be remembered that was i remember when i was young people say you know like what your your ambitions I said there's like an obituary in a newspaper when I die rather than just dying and no one cares

and yeah just having an obituary in a newspaper when I died I'll settle for that well I'm going to write it then bud thanks for being on the show Norman

thanks for having me have a good one Have a good one. When I don't play, I get buzzed quicker. Yeah? Or maybe you just don't realize it because you're playing and you're distracted from how buzzed you are. And we're back. Nice interview.

Yeah, he's a genius. He is. And I like how he just bowed out after 2004 when he's like, I don't want to do records. They don't make me happy. I like that. I like that. That gives me inspiration that I can do whatever the fuck I want.

It helps when you've sold millions of them first to do that. But yeah. Start thinking about a concept for your podcast. People have been sending us snacks. Oh, let's talk about that. Whoever's sending us snacks from everything I'm talking about by the podcast, first off, shout out to you. Also, we're looking for two PlayStation 5s if you guys are going to be sending us gifts.

We would love a PlayStation. No, no. And also, shout out for knowing my address. Oh, yeah. What's up with that? I don't know. I think everyone knows my address in Denver. Because I throw parties here. So, do you think knows my address in Denver because I throw

parties here so do you think it's someone in Denver sending it to you there's no return address right I don't know I have this hint it might be my mom oh that's such a letdown but I also think it could be a really super fan which I love well your mom's a super fan she is it's not as cool if it's your mom right it's not special

or it is more special it's special when my mom sends me stuff it's a different kind of special but if a fan did it it's even crazier it's weird yeah it's a different kind of special if it's your mom right it sounds special or it is more special it's special when my mom sends me stuff that's a different kind of but if a fan did it it's even crazier it's weird yeah it's different kind of special but it's also weird that they know your address and something you need to think about probably man not in a mean way it's like they don't just like can't conceptualize me like going to the post office yeah i don't imagine me going to target to get some paper towels i sometimes see fans i like you you know, Target or Bed Bath & Beyond. And I'm just like, my cart only has like M&Ms and beef jerky. They're like, hey, Andy.

What's up, dude? I'm like, hey, man. I mean, you're there. I'll be at Target by myself, like just like grabbing fruit by the foot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like how you grab it. I grab, yeah. I love going.

I like the Grinch steals an ornament off a Christmas tree there. Yeah, exactly. The Grinch who stole Christmas. I love going. You love Target. I love going to stores. PlayStation five is what we're looking for. You can get them on eBay.

They're a little marked up, but we're doing a great job here, folks. Do you hold grudges? I don't have any. I do like to hate someone, though. It's fun. It feels good to hate. Really? No, I'm just kidding.

Do you hold a grudge on the person that you got that accident with? Well, he died immediately, so it's kind of hard to hate someone that's dead. Oh, the one who did it? The one who hit us died instantly, so it's hard to have a grudge with him. He was wasted? He was on meth at like 2 in the afternoon on a Friday. And did it hurt your... Did it kill your friend?

No, no. My friend may have went to the hospital for a while. I'm still like a little bit fucked up from it, but he got fucked up too. Well, explain that. Worked for a moving company. We were in another city doing like an estimate to try to get a big gig at our apartment complex. This is back when I had a job. I worked for this Israeli guy at a moving company we were in another city doing like an estimate to try to get a big gig at our apartment complex this is back when i had a job i worked for this israeli guy at a

moving company we're driving back on this two-lane state road in eastern indiana another car is coming the other way right we're driving along blah blah chatting it up car pulls out like to pass and hits us like basically head on and we roll over i don't know how many times and then the guy i don't know what happened to his car he rolled over too he was going super fast like 80 something and how fast were you going 55 because we were on the speed limit oh my and then so i'd be helicoptered to indy we were like in a 45 minutes from anyway to be helicoptered to indy i was in hospital for a while i couldn't really walk right my ankles and hips are still fucked up every day i know it sucks did anyone almost die in your the other guy was in the hospital for he got some infection from it like you know what i

mean you like some sort of cut internally that's really bad they can get infected and they get so he was in the hospital for like a month yeah really bad i was in did you think you're gonna die oh definitely i was awake for the part. He doesn't remember it. I don't talk to him anymore because he fired me. He fired you? He fired me after that, like a year later. Yeah, it's a long story. Were you driving? I was the passenger.

He drove? Yeah, it was his company. He owned the company. And why did he fire you? Because, whatever, it's a long story. He says this, I say that. You know what I mean? All right, I got it. Anyway, i don't want to talk about it publicly because i don't want him to hear it i don't want to be any publicity no just kidding yeah uh so yeah that's so you saw

yourself spinning in the car he doesn't remember it and then we spun over and over i remember spinning over and then i remember what were you thinking about there i remember i remember clearly thinking that this oh this is how i'm gonna die that this, oh, this is how I'm going to die. It was 27. Oh wow. This is how I die. I remember thinking that. And then we stopped rolling and I was like, holy shit.

And I tried to pull myself out of the car, but I thought we were, I didn't realize we were on our side. You don't know when you stop rolling, you have no clue what's, you know, and then someone pulled me out. I don't know how long it had been. And then I was on the ground because I tried to walk when I got out but that was impossible i broke both my ankles and then like this muscles two muscles now and i had a seatbelt scar across my body for like a month that seatbelt saved your life oh 100 the other guy and then i get helicoptered out here's something fucked up i'm getting helicoptered out and the

one of the paramedics in the helicopter she goes oh the driver died instantly and i thought she was talking about my friend but she wasn't he was the thing is he doesn't remember but he was awake after we rolled over because i remembered him yelling and i remember him cutting his seatbelt and i remember his bones sticking out of his arm oh yeah anyway that was a while ago and that's when i that's basically when i stopped working and decided to just try to do music full time what'd you realize i was like i'm not gonna sit in this fucking office i almost died doing this if i'm gonna almost die i'm not gonna fucking be selling moves you know god nick that's horrible i know what a bummer i would hate to i would hate if you died and i didn't get to know

you i know but that would have been a way before you would have ever met me. I know. Then what am I going to do out here in Denver? I don't know. All the same stuff, basically dance parties without judgment. I know the judgment's good for you though. Imagine if you lived with no judgment, that'd be bad for you. I feel like,

right? Yeah. You need a little pushback, Nick. Yes. Maybe you should sleep in your bed tonight. Yeah? Try it out.

What's the worst that can happen? I don't know what it is, but sometimes I don't like sleeping on the bed. I don't know what it is. It's something. It's too normal. It feels like I have to. It feels like I'm settling into regular life.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. But I feel like it feels so good when you wake up in the morning. I know. I do feel way better. Your back's going to be fucked up if you don't. I don't know. I like stiff.

You like feeling like shit all day? I don't really. When it's too plush, I'm just like, I'm like groggy. Does that make sense? I guess. I don't know. You're not used to sleeping. Do you cuddle?

What do you mean? Like with your girlfriend, like right before you go to bed. None of your business. Why not? Because. Does she like hold on to you? I will not be collected,

Andrew Frasco. Does she? I will not speak about my girlfriend in that way on this podcast. Nothing will be revealed. What about like sweet? You will never look behind that door. I just think you check door number one,

Frasco. There might be something for you behind that one. I just think you, I will not be collected. Andrew Frasco. I think stop. You will never do it. I'm going to find some photos of you and her.

There are no photos of us. We don't exist. You will never perceive my relationship in any way. Do you ever give her flowers? It doesn't matter. Does it? It does. The people don't exist. You will never perceive my relationship in any way. Do you ever give her flowers? It doesn't matter, does it? It does. The people don't need to know about that. None of it is any of their business. This is my private relationship

and I will not be collected. Hey, will you give me a pep talk to get me out of this funk? Okay, why are you in a funk? You have a fantasy life. You have no real problems. You live in a massive home in the great part of Denver. When I walked up, you had servants sweeping the snow.

Shut the fuck up. Not servants. What are those people? Landscapers. Shoveling snow for you because you're from California and you can't be bothered to shovel 18. Just shut up. What are you in a bad mood about? You're going to New York tomorrow for fun to make a music video

and then you get to go to sunny Tampa Bay in the height of winter to play for a bunch of adoring fans or a pray party for a festival you're going back for in three weeks. You got two gigs this weekend and they're not even the same weekend. Shut up. I love you. God, thank you. I needed

that's all I needed. That's all I needed all day. just stop being depressed i don't know sometimes you wake up depressed yeah stop it well don't be depressed about your life if you're just depressed because you like have a chemical imbalance that's one thing but maybe that's what it is i did go hard all weekend maybe you need to tone it down a little bit i went to bed yesterday coasters come down too man i know i went i've been going to bed i've slept on the couch twice go to your fucking bed and sleep in your fucking bed if you sleep better in your bed i know you'll have dreams you'll wake up rested

i know coffee will make you feel better instead of get you back to zero i'm excited to go to new york you pump me up i'm excited about my life. Yeah, you should be. Wow. It just takes that. People work at Amazon Warehouse in Des Moines, Iowa. You know what I mean? I get why people subscribe to Tony Robbins and shit now. I don't like that guy. He creeps me out. It's the same thing you just did to me. Yeah, but I'm not asking you for money.

Not yet. Pay up. I'm about to invoice you for that one. I'm about to hit you with that Umphrey's McGee invoice. I'm about to hit you up with that Umphrey's McGee invoice. Have a great day. I can't decide whether to walk down the stairs or jump off the balcony right now.

It's only two floors. You'll only break your ankles again. All right. Whatever. Have a good day. Bye. You tuned in to the World Saving Podcast with Andy Fresco, now in its fourth season.

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