Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 161: Round 3 w/ Nick MacDaniels (Big Something)

Episode Date: March 1, 2022

In which our good buddy and recurring podcast guest, Nick MacDaniels joins us on the Pod! Listen to this sweet baby angel reveal why he's in Denver amongst Andy's other favorite Nick... Plus! Special appearance by podcast bard, Shawn Eckels! We love you. Stay safe out there, eat your haggis, and don't forget to have fun. Get your voyeur kicks in now by watching this episode via youtube.  Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Wash, Rinse, Repeat" on iTunes, Spotify  Big Something is both sick and also tight. Check them out here: bigsomething.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Foot Festishists Shawn Eckels Arno Bakker

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also what the is wrong with your feet get clip your toenails or something, dude. Jesus. Hell yeah. And we're back. Andy Frasco in the UN. What? Andy Frasco's world-saving podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. How you doing?

How's our heads? How's our minds? My mind is great because I have two of my favorite Knicks in the world. No disrespect to the other Nicks. Who's the other Nick?

Nick. Hi, Nick. How you doing? Who's the other Nick that you know besides us? Oh, you know who's in town? Nick McDaniels from Big Bo. Shit. This is the worst opening ever. Do not redo it. We're doing it this way. Nick McDaniels! Oh my God. Hey, Nick! What's up?

You're 0 for 2. Back to the minors. I know, dude. It's been a long morning. I had to wash your hair. How you doing, Nick? I'm doing great. What's going on? Um, you know, just hanging out. Why are you in Denver? Um, well, I believe we're going to try and work on some music together. Let's go. We're going to put out new records new music wow are you

getting jealous that my other nick is here nick no why which nick are you directing that no i'm just gonna say nick i'm not gonna tell you i wanna see who answers the question better well obviously that was for me uh no i'm not jealous didn't you guys how'd you guys meet we met through you basically i feel like no but like didn't you guys play a show didn't you have nick on a show i don't think so um i don't think i ever really knew them not really we we played some of the same festivals um when you're with turbo suit yeah but i mean we didn't really hang them we didn't hang or know each other but yeah we had them sit in uh our last show in denver and that was fun oh that's right i forgot about that i got a t-shirt yeah it's a good t-shirt i wear it what. So what? We're going to make music. We're going to hang out.

Bands coming to town. We're going to play some shows. What else are you doing? You're here for like two weeks. Yeah. We're doing Steamboat, Telluride, playing the Ogden for the first time with the Magic Beans. That's on the 4th, right? Yeah. Okay. So this podcast is going to be... Oh, no. Tuesday. Yeah. This Saturday, guys. Yeah. You guys are playing beans that's on the fourth right yeah okay so this podcast sorry gonna be oh no no that'll be tuesday yeah yeah so this saturday guys yeah uh you guys are playing big beans big show in denver ogden theater have you played there nope first time it's the best theater best green room best green room we are stoked you're gonna blast and pack out so if you don't have your tickets it's gonna sell out go buy them yeah go and beans damn nick i love this i love it too what's the what's going on

how is how was the last year well the last time i was on your podcast we i didn't really know you that well yet and we had a pretty heavy conversation and uh it was it was awesome uh and we talked about you know maybe one day getting together to to write and here we are here we are we're gonna write two years later Two years later. Two years later. Pandemic is over. Well, it's still going, but close enough. And we're going to try to write some tunes. We're going to try.

They might suck, but we'll see. It's nice to have, you know, when you have relationships, because I just met you on the tour, and then we've talked about everything, so we don't need to address all the dark stuff. But now that we just know each other so well, and now we're finally out of it and we're back in our houses, we can finally just relax and do a podcast

without talking about, you know, death and sadness. Yeah. Are you sad? I feel like you want me to be jealous of him or something. You're playing some sort of like little frasco, psychotic, passive aggressive LA game. No, we just have the same name, man. That's all. No, it's a very common name. There's like nine Nixon. It was like the most popular name to the year when I was born. I mean, to me, you guys are pretty damn important and you're

both named Nick. It's weird, huh? So I want want you to I want you to fight for my love nope you can have it go on let's keep the job oh fuck what are we gonna do today I don't even know what do you want we've talked about everything we're best friends well yeah. You guys are our best friends. How many best friends you have? I have four best friends. Dolove, you, you. Damn. I think you have like eight best friends. Sean Eccles. Sean Eccles. Sean Eccles. Ernie. Ernie. Andy. Those are just brothers. So the word best just doesn't have any meaning to you at all. Like it's not best me. Oh, like number one best. You just have one best friend. How do you just have one best friend? His name is Kit Zablosky. We've been over this. This is bullshit. I've been fighting

for your love for years. No, you like a year. It feels like 10. It's so hard to win my love. How many best friends do you have, Nick? I mean... Take the bandai. We already know your bands. The band is best friends. It's definitely fucked up. I don't know. I don't even think about it like that. I just have a lot of really good friends. Oh, I like that.

He's like, we don't have to rank everybody. Let's rank best friends. Oh, I'll be ranked. I love ranking stuff. Who was your best friend in middle school probably my friend paul paul who you wrote on to who we wrote who we wrote all our songs together holy see well who's your best friend middle school kid zavosky always since about 10 11 12. i guess dola's been my best friend since and peter satchin gets taller than you too so what he's taller than you so you guys that's part of it i like tall people really yeah speaking of tall people how hot was john craig when he came over here oh man that guy's gorgeous

oh i got a crush on him yeah i think you do the way you talk about him it's crazy uh nick was listening to the conversation we were having a good one yeah it was good but I was like whoa he's here in my house sitting on that couch I don't know it was cool hey just take a show picture John Craig yeah people this guy is hot it's a hot guy speaking of ranking this is okay we got to rank hot guys too you guys been going down this rabbit hole pretty hard here lately dude are we gay no we're not am i gay just because you can tell a guy's hot i mean that doesn't people have been like i'm not attracted to him but he's hot it's not a bad thing that i'm gay i'm just asking myself

if i'm gay i don't think you are because you're like come on look kind of dating a girl right here dude i am yeah that's true but like you can objectively look at a guy come the on heat that up heat that baby up holy so just never leave bo just never leaves his porn john craigie what do you think is that a perfect man wow andy's a good songwriter yeah and i feel like he's selling tickets he man? Wow. And he's a good songwriter. Yeah. And I feel like he's selling tickets. He's like doing well, right? He's killing it.

Wow. I think I might hate him. Because he's too hot? Just jealousy and rage. Why? I mean, look at him. Yeah. He does have everything.

If I wore that shirt, people would be scared of me. He's hairy too. Yeah. Very masculine. So tell me. He's hairy too. Yeah. Very masculine. So tell me about your life. I can't take it off. I'm getting flustered here with John. It's weird.

Oh my God. Am I gay? No, it's all a spectrum. You were on a date with a woman last night. That's true. Actually. You're right. It's all in the spectrum.

It's all shades. It's all a spectrum a spectrum yeah why are you even trying yeah why these days days you have to like categorize if you're like gay or straight or bisexual i don't think you do have to categorize really i think you have to do anything you don't want to do i can just do whatever i want yeah especially you don't have to like tell everyone your sexuality all day okay you can's fine too. I feel like a lot of people do that. Spectrum. You brought them. Um, no, a lot of people do that because it's like important to, I don't know, but you don't have to. Okay. So yeah, sometimes I feel like I have to do that. Are you like having, this has come up multiple times now. Is this something you're wrestling with?

That I'm gay? Yeah. I just never, this gay yeah i just never this isn't a bit this isn't a bit good because i don't want to be a bit because that's weird no it's not a bit okay okay i'm not i don't think i like dick like i'm not like i've never had dick probably not gay but i also never i've always been disgusted with dick yeah they're disgusting looking but i am attracted to men you're not attracted. Bo get in here, get in the footage right here. Look at Bo. Look at the, what camera are we on Bo?

I can look at it. You can look at a guy and I think it's fair to wrap up this hot guy talk, but let's just put it this way. You can look at a guy and be like, that is a objectively attractive man. That doesn't mean you're attracted to him okay okay so i need to i need to like yeah like looking at a painting okay cool like i'm like oh the lakers when they won the championship they're good i still don't like them but they're good okay you know oh respect so it's respect it's like you're hot it's a little bit of jealousy too you know it's a little bit of jealousy i wish i was you are hot we've been over this no but not like that not like that no way that's crazy not even close that's just like um that's just dna oh god yeah

because i'm always good we're already talking about hot guys great what beauty is in the eye of the beholder that's true it is it's true what did you think what have you thought that was beautiful that people didn't think was beautiful um like it doesn't have to be a person it could be anything a movie a song what you thought was and people just didn't react whatever i mean i think you know driving in the van you see kind of about you know a lot of gray rainy dreary looking stuff out the window. But I think that stuff can be beautiful. Oh yeah. That's a Scottish in you.

Are you Scottish? Yeah. We're both Scottish. Wow. You both are Scottish too? My grandpa's from there. Scotch Irish. Holy shit. Scotch British. So you see the beauty in the dark.

Huh? You see the beauty in the dark. Yeah. It rains. We come from the moors you know you guys have both or banshee men dealt with dramatic things in your life too two nicks what do you mean his best friend passed away really close to him you almost died in a car crash yep that's true i did and didn't your friend die no the other guy died. And then have you ever almost died? Yeah, I probably have had a couple close calls. I think a lot of people have almost.

What's your definition of almost dying? It's a very vague thing. Not like you just feel your stress level come like, oh, this is it. This might be it. Okay, okay. I was driving with Ben, our drummer, one time, and we were trying to get to a gig,

but all the traffic lights were out, and we were driving like backcountry North Carolina roads. Oh, fuck. And we went through this intersection, and I didn't really realize that it was a traffic light that was out. And this other car came like so close to slamming into me, like in the driver's side. Yeah. And he was flying. And, you know, at the very last second, I saw the traffic light like go above my head.

And so then I saw a car coming and I hit the brakes, but I just barely nicked him. And that car went flying, like spinning. Was he okay? He was okay. His car was not. It's kind of not your fault, huh? It was no one's fault, really. The traffic lights were out and it was just pitch black, dark back country.

So he spinned out and your car kind of got a little clip. Yeah. For some reason I always crazy stuff like that always happens with Ben our drummer like we hit a deer together one time that was pretty crazy that's scary you can definitely get you can die in that situation people have died hitting deer yeah yeah yeah so that that one was probably the closest that I've felt to to a near-death experience and it's definitely crazy after having one of those. It's like the fight club thing. It gives you some perspective.

Yeah, yeah. My friend Jill had a boulder hit her car while she was driving down the mountain last week. That's scary. And half of it cut through her engine into a radiator. Her car was just demolished? Demolished. But if it would have bounced and hit the windshield,

they all would have been dead. Yeah. That's insane. It's crazy. Do you believe like a lot of times? No. It's tiniest little millisecond difference. That's what I mean.

Like it's all the difference, you know, like cause of those situations. Do you believe in like, or do you think it's just random everything's random i'm thinking everything's pretty random yeah it's like forrest gump maybe it's a little of both you know yeah here's my problem with people saying everything has a happens for a reason it's just like that's so shitty to say to like a four-year-old in africa that is starving somewhere it's like yeah or like

a kid having cancer it's like every time you hear something happens for a reason it's like some rich person that got lucky just like you know what i mean it's like why okay no it doesn't you got lucky just admit it just like be like i got lucky and you know what i mean yeah because if everything good happens for a reason does that mean other like bad things happen to other people for a reason that That seems pretty entitled. Yeah. It's kind of a cliche saying that like doesn't even mean anything. Honestly, a lot of cliche things are terrible.

Like it is what it is. Okay. Yes. I kind of like that one. Yeah. But like, you know, you get what you don't do though.

You know? Yeah. For sure. Brian always tells me patience, patience. I'm like, yeah, it is what it is.

Patience is what it is, which is patience. No, but I'm saying it as a pessimistically. I'm like, yeah, we're not getting River Cuomo or we're not getting blah, blah, blah. We're not getting fucking on television. You are so good at focusing on what you're not getting. I know. Why do you do that?

We're working on that, aren't we? Why don't you focus on what you are getting? I am never satisfied. That's the thing. We talked about this yesterday or last week. Yeah, but... Are you? How hard is it to be satisfied? I don't know. Like realistically, like honestly, how hard is it to like just be satisfied with your life? I don't think that you need to strive for satisfaction. I think that you need to just bring down your unsatisfaction because like no one's ever fully satisfied, right? Right. But like you can't be so unsatisfied, you know, you can, you can reduce the negative. You don't necessarily have to increase the

positive. Right. Speaker 2 I'm smart. Speaking of Brian though, he's hot now. What happened? Oh my God. All right. Last, last hot guy. I know. Yeah. Right. Oh, take this picture. You know where it is. I just want to bring it up while Brian comes up. So we know it's already up, dude. Come on. How did Brian get hot? This is like Benjamin. But this is what we call a thirst trap. Okay. What? This photo. Yes. Cause it's the audio people explain what he's wearing. Sure. Brian from, I don't know the crotch up looking great. First of all,

I mean, he's got a cool shirt on this photo too. He's got a cool shirt on. He, his hair's amazing. He's got like the five o'clock shadow. He looks a little bit like John Craig. He actually, he does. So he's got the reason he hears what he got. I'm getting to the steel. I think Andy shared it on his Instagram at some point. Maybe post it so people can look at it. I'll post it again. Didn't he call in saying, stop talking about me?

He did. He sent a message. I don't care. Stop talking about me. We're saying he's hot. The best thing is he posted this because he got LASIK, right? Or something. He doesn't have glasses anymore. Yeah.

Contacts or something. But he showed his whole body. That's when you know you're hot, man. If I had something like that, I'd be like, from here up. Yeah, me too. He's like, I'm buff now. Respect, man. Yeah, shout out to Brian.

Good job, Brian. Okay, but go back to this a satisfaction thing what about you Nick you ever satisfied um I think everybody's got a different brain about it um you know I I don't even think about it like that I'm not like constantly like asking myself if I'm happy or satisfied or, you know, I'm just fucking doing. Yeah. You fucking Scottish dude. We're similar.

I feel like no wonder you like you keep people like us around. Yeah. Keep me level because I'm always thinking about trying to find pure happiness and I'm always trying to find pure satisfaction. Have you ever heard of Thomas Sowell? No. He's like this kind of economics professor, philosopher guy. He actually is kind of bad in a lot of ways,

but he does have this one saying that I agree with, and it's there are no solutions, there are only trade-offs. Right. So you'll never be fully happy, you know? Maybe it's that chase for the satisfaction and the happiness. But is it the chase that makes me work hard? So maybe I need that to fuel me. Yeah, you want a little bit,

but you don't want to ruin the good parts. That's true. You know what I mean? Don't sacrifice the good parts to worry about. You know what I mean? Yeah. What are you going to do? Just never enjoy your life?

I know. And as I've been, like this break for me has been so good because I am not just working all the time not just touring all the time like i have a little bit of work on the weekends and i get to enjoy yeah life in denver yeah i think it's a good balance when you overwork then i think your brain's telling you yeah you're never satisfied but now that i have this community in Denver and I'm living

out here and I'm you know doing all the extracurriculars I feel like I'm way more happier so it is a part of being balanced to balance is a big part of all of that for sure maybe I should write a song about this like maybe this is a good topic yeah balance I guess there already is a very famous song about satisfaction, isn't there? What a wow. On a goddamn roll. I can't get no satisfaction. What makes you feel like you're balanced, Nick Gerlach?

Oh, man. Well, I have a very simple life, I feel like, in a way. You know what I mean? I think that what I do is much more complicated than how I live. Like when I go, you know what I mean? I don't, it's hard to explain. Like my home life is very stable. You know, I got a girlfriend and a dog and I just,

I don't have any really worries in that department, you know, besides like basic relationship shit, you know, that's healthy. Yeah. So I think that's good. Because my career, you know, it's like when you're doing what we do, it's like you never really know. I mean, how far ahead can you you can predict our way farther ahead than i can but like you know three months out who knows with me yeah i mean you're like probably a year out year out which is still not that long like i have friends from home that like know what they're doing for next

20 years for money you know what i'm saying see i don't like that either i don't like that either but i get it yeah i get why and some people don't want some people don't like what we do you know yeah and that's cool because you need every kind of person yeah someone's got to deliver mail yeah what about you what makes you balanced don't always feel very balanced um but you have like a good relationship and stuff i have a great relationship at home um two awesome cats. Great family. Bet you've also made part of the brand. Shout out to Nick. Brand your pets.

Brand your pets. You have to monetize every... 2022. Brand your pets. Monetize every aspect of your life. Monetize everything you like. Come on. If you're a hobby, you monetize it.

Yes. You cannot just do something for fun to enjoy it. You must monetize it. Yes. You cannot just do something for fun to enjoy. You must monetize it. Merch. Merch. By the way, NicholasGurlockColt.com. That's basically what my news...

Did you read that blog I did? Yeah, it was good. Okay, that's basically what it was about. Yeah, it was very nice. So you got your family life.

What about, how do you balance that with your band life? Because you guys are busy a lot. You just have to, you know, make time and um that can be tricky with everything that you need to get done and all that's constantly going on but you you just you really have to turn turn your phone off you know sit down and and make time to

he should be ranked ahead of me in your best friend rankings i feel like what oh he's just better person than me i can just tell how he like what oh he's just better person than me yeah he's just better than me it's fine i got a question for you nick how do you give everyone in your band enough attention to make them feel like they're part of the team so something that we've been doing lately that i've been really enjoying is um i'll just have different members of the band over to come hang out at my house and we'll sit one-on-one and listen to shows,

work on ideas, talk through stuff. Damn, you are legit like a head coach. I'm telling you, dude. Have you ever... You should coach something. He does. He coaches the band. I like coaching. I love teaching guitar lessons when i'm a teacher well um before the band really started touring that's what i did right after

college and i had i had a bunch of students but it's a good way to make time for it anymore go back to this okay so you guys all go through game tape yeah so what do you one by one so like what do you what do you tell people would you tell your bandmates like hey you could have done this differently we listen to the recordings a lot like you know a football team watches tape after the game holy shit well I jam bands do this really I'm pretty definitely used to do it I don't know if they still do but I've been going through our recordings lately yeah you record every show yep okay and

it's uh it's really nice to be able to just kind of like zero in on just the drums and the bass and like you know is it stemmed out and stuff yeah okay yeah he's becoming a little engineer too everybody's all these musicians i up i i got it saves you a lot of money well you're good at like editing stuff yeah i edit you're actually great with video yeah thank you yeah and actually there's less people do video but it's just like it saves you a lot of money we can do like the first 90 of mixing yourself you know it's been really fun i've been loving diving diving into that world. What's hard about mixing? Frequencies. All working together.

Our band in particular, we have a lot of stuff happening in the vocal frequencies between the guitars, the ewe, and the keys. There's a lot of mid-range stuff happening. Finding a little pocket for each thing is kind of the tricky part. Your band would be hard to mix. Who's your favorite mixers that you look at their mixes and like, I want to sound like that?

Mr. Bill. He's this electronic producer in San Francisco. He scored a Nicolas Cage movie once. Oh, shit. I think he's our generation's like who's it? Like Otker or one of those guys, Apex Twin.

Yeah. He's amazing. What about the person who does the Euphoria music? I haven't heard it. Oh, man. It sounds great. It is amazing. It's the same dude.

I think he mixed the whole thing. Oh, Trent Reznor? No. Yeah, Trent. No, I'm just saying he's one of my guys I really like. Oh, really? There's other guys. Labyrinthabyrinth oh i don't know there's just a lot of guys i mean the electronic

music world has some amazing engineers that's like kind of what they do you remember chris lord algae you know him he did a lot of a lot of pop punk bands and metal bands and stuff yeah i love being in the room when someone's mixing it just to kind of see how they EQ everything and how they make the waves. It's all... Yeah, it's pretty interesting. God.

So you guys learned that during it? I've been learning it here lately, and it's been super fun. But yeah, as far as getting getting together, like with the, with the guys one-on-one, um, you know, we're working on new music right now.

So we're also kind of, um, I think it's cool to do it that way instead of all together with six dudes in one room, that can be hard when you're writing sometimes. So having the one-on-one time with each band member, you know, does everyone write or does like, in different ways, like you bring a, like a 80 80 done tune and then they throw their parts in there and then

they don't have it depends on the song it's definitely different in each situation but like you know casey's great with melodies and um jesse's great with leads and josh actually provides our keyboard player has written a lot of our like kind of source music material. Are you the lyrics guy? I, yes, partially. And my friend that passed away in 2017, Paul, he and I would work on all the songs together. But like no one else in the band writes lyrics? No, not really. But Ben and I actually have started writing together and there's a new song coming that he played a big role in.

What is Ben, what's Bren's brain thinking about? Remind me which one's Ben again? Drummer. Okay. Yeah. writing together and there's a new song coming that that he played a big role in what has been what's brent's brain thinking about remind me which one's been again drummer okay yeah um he uh he's kind of like me we come from the 90s alternative rock world yeah oh hell yeah early 90s or like late 90s like nirvana or limp biscuit I'd say we can have an appreciation for both. We have this... He's younger than you, right? Yeah, he's a little bit younger than me. Wow.

So yeah, he's kind of coming from that mentality, lyrically, a little bit, I would say. He's good with words. He's good with little lines and stuff like that. So that's been fun. And then I've been trying to collaborate and it's been hard people it's been um different um you know nothing will ever be quite the same as uh what it was you know with with paul but uh do you feel like you're not worthy

um no i just like getting out of my own head. I like bringing in another imagination because I feel like I kind of tend to stay in the same lane, and it gets hard to think of things that are cool or interesting, and having that outside imagination come in, I feel like can really make a huge difference. Yeah, I was talking to Anderson East last week about this and how like we appreciate the lonely songwriter

but like I feel like you need someone to bounce off with and even if it's just that where you're just bouncing ideas off of each other a lot of brainstorming involved but at the end of the day I would say I'm kind of the editor too where I'm like kind of taking a lot of the stuff with Paul

was like 30-minute long free-form brainstorm sessions, and then I would take the cool little bits and kind of organize it in the verse chorus. And I'm still doing a lot of that now with the newer material that we're working on. There's a lot of really cool new stuff that I'm very excited about so when you go in the studio and rocking it we've already started some of that um we're a machine we're kind of approaching things i feel like i'm slow compared to other people you know but we're um you put out record every year not quite but we're that's hard

with a big band we're getting there um everything's changing too with how music is released these days how many songs original songs do you have that you could like play on a gig tomorrow without rehearsing you know i mean we have six albums so oh my god um like 60. there's probably 70 plus originals that we could choose from but not all of them are like locked in yeah that we could choose from, but not all of them are like locked in. Yeah. Um, and then there's a huge list of covers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So like you could do like, how many shows could you do without repeating a song? You think, I think four is the most we've done pretty good. You could probably go longer, but we probably could go longer if we worked in throwing all in all the covers. Yeah. And this is the beef I have with this

shit. Okay. here it is. You took the mic off the stand, people. For listeners out there. Okay, so, I just, okay, I get the whole thing, never fucking repeat a song. But what if you're on an album cycle? And you need to play the new songs. That's the thing, jam bands really aren't ever on album cycles.

Their albums are like, just, so, it's different. It's like flipped. I feel like bands like you or pop bands, they they tour to sell albums right in a way. Yeah, well, I tour all year but yeah, tour bands like about the music. I know you're not the best example. But like there's other examples where it's like, you know, like indie bands or they tour around their album songbirds or whatever. But like I thought jam bands make albums to help their tour. You know i'm saying say again like like they make albums to help their live shows and like other people make do live shows to help their album the shows are the main thing and the album is supported right so what's your what's what how's

your band take records um we've always loved the process of making i love i love the process of being in the studio and recording and working with a producer and the little ear candy things you can do. So I, I, I think that as an art form is just cool, cool as shit. So I love diving into that world.

And then we also just need the live show to survive. Like that's where, that's how we're making a living. So it's kind of finding the right balance between the two and doing it in a way that's you know unique to us um that's something we're always thinking about i don't really i don't really know i don't have any specific like are you trying to get place are you like hopefully you get placements and movies and stuff or you don't even think about that i'm not thinking about that right now um all i'm thinking about right now is i want to make the best music possible so yeah i have there's a lot of pressure on me yeah do you feel like your fans want you to not repeat songs more or something yeah you're worried about it

i don't know i just think you do have like a weird hybrid audience where like yeah it's a hybrid it's like jam and then some people want to hear mature as every night and want to hear smoking dope rock and roll and keep on keeping on. That's where they go because they listen to your songs all week. And it's also more about the song and less about the improvisation. Maybe that's what I'm thinking about. Here's another thing to that point.

I don't feel like, okay, I have all these friends that like jam band, whatever, jam band. And they don't even listen to them unless they're at a show almost. Or when they do listen to them unless they're at a show almost or they're listening when they do listen to them they're listening to recording a live show i don't know a ton of people who sit around and listen to fish records i just they're just aren't you know you i like the fish albums i think i'm not saying they're bad i'm just saying like culturally right the thing is to get their live shows and

listen to those i don't people don don't really throw on whatever album. That's so funny you said that because I was looking at a bunch of people's Spotify monthlies. Like, hey, do you have Spotify? Let's start. Go up and just sing monthlies of jam bands versus bands who don't.

Way lower, right? I was looking at Google Humphries. Their Spotify numbers. 24 0 Like art. Yeah. Like I, like I was looking at like, I'm free Google. I'm freeze. There's Spotify numbers, 244, 244,000. Pretty good for a J. Good. Actually really good. But the thing is like people love their live show, but they're, they sell 10,000 tickets

a night. So you'd assume that they'd be at the go to like a, go to like a John Craigie. I bet he's up there, right? John Craigie? Yeah, I don't know, actually. I mean, On Freeze is a bigger band who sells more tickets, but look at this. How much is he at?

More, 100,000 more. 346,000? Look at that. He's got like 14 million. Yeah. There's some... It's so weird how people... Different lanes. It's different lanes, yeah.

And then there's like a producer world. There's these whole things like lo-fi hip-hop producers they literally which one they literally do not play shows no and then but then they like because when they play a live show like 15 people come and then like go to grizz yeah go to grizz but he also sells a ton of tickets yeah that's a bad one um i'm trying to think of it i'm trying to think crossovers put swum s-w-u-m i want to see how many he has i'm he's a bad one. I'm trying to think of a good one. I'm trying to think crossovers. Go to Grimm's. Put Swum. S-W-U-M. I want to see how many he has. He's a lo-fi producer.

1.2 million. This guy played one show last year. He doesn't play shows. Look at that. So 32 million, 28 million. You know what I'm saying? It's so crazy. 11 million, 3 million. And he doesn't even play live.

Go to Billy Strings. There's just so many different ways to make money in this. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's two different lanes. I'm constantly blown away, too, by things I haven't heard of before. What's Billy at? What's Billy say?

880,000. Yeah. He even has less than this producer. Yeah, but he's crossing over. Exactly. He gets both. Because his live show, people watch all his live shows, and they're on Spotify. They're listening to all his Spotify. But he's crossing over into like, he gets both because his live show, people watch all his live shows and they're on Spotify. They're listening to all Spotify

and he's selling Speaker 1 Do pretty lights, pretty lights. Speaker 2 This guy's not higher. Honestly, Speaker 1 Hasn't played a show in like five years. You know, Speaker 2 That's why it's so funny to me. Like Speaker 1 He's got seven or 45 monthly listeners guys and played a show in five years. You know, Speaker 2 You know how people are, um, or festival people

are like just going by Spotify monthlies. Yeah. To, um, to put, put you higher up on the damaging though, for some people,

but they know who has a good life. Go to goose one more, go to goose. But they know who has a good life show and draws to without me on that. They know who's selling tickets too. Yeah. I mean, it's so fascinating how there's two different worlds.

There's touring like goose is how much are they at 189 which is actually lower than i thought it was going to be 189 000 but they're selling 5 000 tickets tonight i mean they sold out red rocks in like three days didn't they yeah and people are listening like you had a good point they're listening to their live tracks yeah they're a dope band man yeah it's nice to see someone kind of blow up in the jam band scene that can really write and play. Where am I at? I wonder what I'm doing. Yours is pretty good, I think.

I think you're in the hundreds, right? Really? Not the podcast. I wish the podcast was, they viewed the podcast. They don't give podcast numbers. They're too scared of us. Oh, God. Oh, Bo has been watching and listening to my podcast.

Hey, Bo. There he is. There it and listening to my podcast. Hey, Bo. Oh, there he is. There it is. Where am I at? 124. So you're not that far behind Goose. Oh, but they're way bigger band than we are. I feel like they sell more tickets than you, right?

Yeah, a lot. Every time I go online, it's like they're playing for some massive- Yeah, every tour announcement just gets bigger and bigger. I'm like, Red Rocks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's awesome. Shout out to Goose. I actually like, Red Rocks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's awesome. Shout out to Goose.

I actually like them. Dude, they deserve it, right? Yeah. Usually you're like, you know, your first instinct is like. It's crazy how that translates so differently. Because then there's songwriters who don't go on tour or go on a tour cycle. And they'll have 2 million monthlies.

There are songwriters who don't even put their name on shit. They're ghostwriting that are making, you know. There's guys writing for these big ass DJs. two million dude monthlies there are songwriters who don't even put their name on their ghost writing that are making you know there's guys writing for these big ass djs they're like they're called ghost producers and they just like write the track for them sell it to them the guy puts his name on it they get their cut boom wow it's like a factory or some it's like nashville yeah a little bit wow that sounds fun that That back end, baby. What would your alter ego name be if you were like a ghost writer? Red Panda.

Red Panda? Why? I don't know. It's an idea that Paul and I have. I'm going to either be Embassy Slim or Young Feach. Young Feach? Probably Embassy Slim. I like that one. I'm just gonna be

andy frasco yeah we get it the brain has been brainwood no i don't know i always wanted to ghost write that sounds so fun oh my god i'd love to have it ghostwriter you're too unique i feel like people would you know what i mean you're too much of a personality to like you can go straight for us if you want I'm down I want to I mean I think goes riding a bunch of you know segments and like writing like making video that I don't promote that I directed or wrote it's not exactly ghost writing but yeah you're making it for your own shit but sure I you did do that, but it's not ghost. Right. But yes, Andy, you're very good at stuff. You do stuff too. You know, buddy, fuck you. I'm being nice. I know you are, but fuck you. I know what you're doing here. Why do people like me? Oh, because you're honest. I'm very honest. And you keep me level.

Imagine if I was a bad person. Sometimes we'll go up in the clouds. Someone's got to be honest with you. You ever get like that, Nick, where you just feel like your band has to bring you down from the clouds? Real me in? No. I felt like that with Paul.

He would always kind of go out in outer space my friend who passed away who we would write together um that that i like that dynamic in a creative relationship where there's someone who's kind of more out there and then someone who's kind of reels them in a little bit and writing partner a writing partner passing away like your fucking left hand passing away and then trying to make art again is got to be the hardest transition on the planet it's definitely you know still it was 2017 when he died and it's still, you know, tough. Do you think about it every day?

I wouldn't say every day, but it's definitely like... No, when you're in the writing sessions. Oh. I think about things that he would have liked, you know. He died right before I started getting into a lot of the, like, gear and technical side of things. And he would have really loved some of the beat making stuff that's available now. And some of the other synth stuff that I started getting into. And fucking... So you'd be like a two-man band now.

And that's the other thing. I think about stuff that we would have come up with together, you know, if he was still around. So that gets hard. But there are still a couple little lines of his that haven't been put into songs that I want to do something with. You feel this? This is how you should be feeling if I pass away early

and you have to do podcast by yourself okay i'm not doing the podcast maybe i will if i go i want you to be just as sentimental as this guy okay nick is fantastic i'm into him have you ever yelled at anyone oh yeah you have you just don't seem like you get above like a three i like what was the worst you've yelled at someone um i mean i can give i can yell i can get mad you're rowdy give it to me tell me a story of when you were just here juiced up because i bet when you yell someone's the scariest i've never seen yeah it's such a change from your old people probably like if you yelled at me i'd probably like cry yeah and i don't even have feelings or emotions put the mic everyone i want everyone to

hear this you're asking for something that i don't really have when's the last time you screamed at someone when you were being robbed please just take my purse i can't even remember honestly it's been a minute um oh come on i know you know i know it's what about like have you yelled at a bandmate? Um, you guys ever get in fights? No. Is it the whole PA? Is it passive? Passive aggressiveness.

Yeah. Like when you're, when you're in an argument with your band, it's not, you hold it in. Right. I do that too. There was a little bit of that. I feel like, I feel like we've gotten better at talking though. We do, we do a conference call every week where we all, we all just looking. Oh my God.

I don't do any of this. Why aren't you in charge of the United States of America? You guys do a call. Sean, you're no longer my president. You hear this bow. They do a conference call. Sean's no longer my president announcement. I know.

Announcement. Sean, that goes, you are no longer my president. You are now my secretary of state. Nick McDaniels. Damn breaking news. Nick is my new president. Nick Mack is taking the girl on president. I like that Shawn Eccles is secretary of state because he's good for foreign relations.

Shawn would be a great secretary. People love him. Foreign relations. He's a good face of the company. You know what I mean? Who would be your cabinet? If Nick is your president. Vice president. Yeah. It's a good face to the company, you know what I mean? Who would be your cabinet? If Nick is your president.

Vice president. Yeah. So such a... What does a vice president exactly do? They just make the final decision on something, right? If there's like a... I don't know. I've just seen like Joey Biden, like eat ice cream and take photos and shit.

He's the president. No, no. When he was VP. Oh yeah. I've never seen him like go... He was a little more active then. Really? He was pretty good with the foreign affairs kind of thing. When he was VP. Oh yeah. I've never seen him like go more active than he was pretty good with the foreign affairs kind of thing. Oh, maybe I did.

My vice president would be, I would have a woman vice president and it would be Jennifer Hart's wick. Ooh, I like her. She's got a good presence. So Nick Mack, people respect her. You got Jen Hart's way. Yep. I love that.

That's a great move into that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What's next in the cab? What, what is in a cabinet? Yeah. I was going to say, I was going to, it sounds like, where's this bit going? Secretary of state. Where's the salt shaker? Who's the salt shaker? Give me three other people you need in your cabinet.

Okay. So how about speaker of the house? Okay. So that's a very good leader with, you know, making law. Who's going to help, you know, decide what's going on with our policy. Who's going to help you know decide what's going on with our policy who's going to do that what do we need to be personable help me think of people here somebody somebody that can speak very well to a group of people a good you know person that's persuasive yeah it might be andy frasco let's go there you go i'll take seconds let's go i would love that position you're my pelosi i love that yeah i love that. I was going to kill you. If you're going to, I was looking

at your eyes and I couldn't do it. It was like when you had the chugging contest with the real rumble and I was the ref and you thought I was going to just fuck me on it. You got to call spade to spade here. I was looking at you like, if you pick anyone. Okay. So what about, how about this? How about secretary chief of the Supreme court? Oh, like who makes all the laws? The best judge I know who is a good decision maker. Who is a great judge. And it has to be an older person. It can't be, I'm feeling like there's like an Umphrey's guy for this role. That's what I was thinking. think it might be joel cummins whoa very pragmatic

rational man wow i don't agree with this one oh who are you i was thinking bayless he's no he's too there's something else for him i think no he's he's too fun for that joel you're gonna give joel you're gonna let bail hot joel judge i'm not saying this as an insult to Bayless or anything. It's just different personality. Joel is a judge. Hey, he's like very, a little more acerbic, you know, but Bayless is like, he needs to be more of like an, a customer facing role. You know what I mean?

What about department of education? Ooh. Hmm. And what does it involve? What does the department education involve? You're not in charge of that. That's for sure. I believe it involves schools. I'm making Joel my Supreme Supreme Court justice. Okay. He's a good, you get it. He sees it. All right. A head of education is tough brownstein mark brown he's already

running lively he's already got a whole education streaming nfts he'll teach us all about crypto and nfts he already educates you know he already educates half the scene on guitar and he's got a whole platform he could take us into the next generation with education in the virtual learning he'll get us in the metaverse with education i like that for maybe a peter from goose oh yeah peter very well so yeah he's smart i could see yeah educating yeah it's so funny how disco bested fans are pretty crunchy and those guys are like the smart and the band's like the smartest people but some of their fans are like insanely intelligent too. It's weird.

There's like, they're like crunchy, but then they're like, okay, I have to go to my $300,000 a year job on Monday. So they're just, they're just, why do you think, why do you think the same, like, you see a lot of the same people, all their shows all over the country, how do you think they can all afford to do that? They're like weekend crunchy. Yeah. I mean, those guys went to a Ivy league school, all of them and biscuit and biscuits, maybe not Allen. They all went to Penn. Oh yeah. It's super smart. Yeah. I mean, those guys went to a Ivy league school, all of them in basket and biscuits.

Really? Maybe not Allen. They all went to Penn. Oh yeah. It's super smart. Yeah. So like a lot of their fans are from the East coast sort of, Oh, okay. So maybe, Oh, they just like party. They're like really smart people that party. Nick's like, we're not talking shit about the disco business. Move on. I feel like I'm being no, no, Nick McDaniels. I'm calling them smart and rich. I don't have a dog in this fight either. I don't know them enough. Oh, Eccles is here. Wow. I'm calling them smart and rich. I don't have a dog in this fight either. I don't know them enough. Oh, Eccles is here. Wow. Sean Eccles is in the building. Just real quick. I'm sorry. Just go biscuits fans. Don't be offended if I call you smart and

rich. They're the funniest. Sit in the middle. Sit in the middle. They're also the funniest fan base in the jam. Hey, Sean Eccles. How's it going? Sit in the middle. That'd be fun. Sit down for you, Sean. Why are you wearing sunglasses in the afternoon? What do you mean? Why are you wearing sunglasses? It's that's the daytime. What's up, Nick? Sean, actually, you, you're no longer my president. He is. You're not my vice president. I like it. I thought, yeah, I like it. I mean, sorry, secretary of state. Speaker 2 Relations. You're the face of the company.

Speaker 1 Come hang out. Yeah, this is all right there. Give my gift. Give Sean the mic. Yeah. Take my mic. Oh, we got another Yeah, take my mic. All right. What are we talking about? Oh, we got another mic coming. Oh, look at this. A high production. Well, Poliskey working it out. Working out. Hey, Sean.

Willing to do the work. Sean Jammed last night. Jammed. We didn't play any songs together, actually, did we? Not one. That's funny. You guys close with what the world needs now did you love no it was a black it was a black guy peace song

do you like doing those it's fun there was like four people there i didn't know i was doing all those songs because there was this they streamed it too they streamed it it was like a massive spreadsheet a lot of people streamed it but did was like a massive spreadsheet. A lot of people streamed it. Did they really? Yeah, I think so. It was cool to see everybody. They had a stream because it was promoted on stuff. Played a really hard song and it was fun. Speaking about being the hardest working man in

industry, this motherfucker right here. Crazy. I'm on my way to Vail right now. You're going to Vail? It's fucking dumping up there. Are you serious? How are you going to get there? I'm going to drive. Be careful yeah i've got my wife's car it's a little better yeah for the rugged weather it's good if you hear what he's doing with his new gig he's playing drums he's playing bass he's playing guitar he's doing everything all of it that's awesome like yeah it's crazy hell yeah it's corey mcgar sean eckles and corey montgomery's wheelhouse of emotions

okay give me give me your two-week schedule of what you're doing i don't know man um you're playing every night playing every wednesday veil i've been doing recording every tuesday with my new band tongue hammer dude the music is good a new band he's got a new band called tongue hammer he's got robbie peoples and me are singing he's playing harmon new bag on hammer Robbie people's and me you're singing he's playing harmonic and the Jeff Franco from TV corporation Esky the bass player from a Mac in the Heights oh yeah he's sick and he's son squabies bass player sound man too yeah oh and ask he's the shit you know ask you dude he's the man I love like I think cool but the tunes a great engineer too by the way yep yeah tunes are really cool they, by the way. Yep. Yeah. Tunes are really cool. They're really rocking. I'm playing a bunch of solo shit and then we're going to Tampa this week. My new band. Yeah. What is it? It's called tongue hammer. Damn.

This is a world premiere and we're going to get, do you want to talk about this? Things are in motion. We have a music video, another new band, or is this the one that's esky in it? Yeah, this is okay. Okay. I was confused for a second. Now I'm just one new band so far we got tongue hammer by the way sick name i like that name i love it too okay yes no one with the last name tongue hammer that's gonna it's tongue hammer it's kind of hot but it's like edgy yeah yeah like you it's like you can't make fun of it easily because it's already kind of making fun of it tongue hammer and it's kind of sexy yeah it's very for it's you know it's four so when is the first show uh we're trying to figure that out

because everybody's in different bands schedules are crazy scott scott yeah well maybe we've hit scott got more off to play cervantes yeah oh man music video ready to go yeah you're ready to rock great we'll see that'll come out soon you want to ride with us one of these days? I would love to. Tomorrow? Yeah. Yes. And also Alex Smith. Al Smith, the drummer, will be in town.

We're having lunch with him tomorrow. Shut the fuck up. Let's go. Big Al. Big Al coming in hot. Did you hear about this story? Number of the year. Fucking Beats had COVID.

Oh, yeah. Oh, Al. And Big Al had to sit in. He played our gig. Why is he in town? Yeah, he's in the Royal Rumble. Why is he in town yeah in the royal rumble why is he in town i don't know he comes here a lot to gig and do things i'm not sure what he's in town for but he's he won sub of the year he won some of the awards we're giving isn't he with

his golden messenger yeah but not anymore i think he's with another band cool well i don't want to leave you if you got to go to veil it's. You know, it's great to see you guys. I like the new setup. Thank you. This is cool. I got a capo and a tuner for Nick so you guys can... Dude, and also, I haven't texted you. Thank you, bro. Movie night was dope. Fuck yeah.

Thanks for picking Baby Boy, dude. You got to see this shit. Everyone's got to watch Tyrese in his feature film, dude. What is it? Tyrese, Baby Boy. On Sunday, we had Baby Night. Tyrese, the model? They made popcorn.

No, Tyrese, the... You're thinking of Tyra Banks, but Tyrese... No, there's like a popcorn Oh Tyrese the you're thinking of Tyra Banks but Tyre there's like a guy named Tyree yeah that's he was a model to hi yeah super hot it's a great movie his name's Jody he's got me man I related to that heavy 2001 right up your fucking every movie I love movies great you know you didn't you enjoyed it too like TV it's fucking amazing watch a lot of TV I do like TV oh hell yeah Wow Secretary of State just showing up protecting protecting the world. One snow town at a time.

He's the face of the company. He's the face of the company. When we go talk to the queen, we send Sean Eccles. He's like Joe Biden with his glasses just smiling. Yeah. What? Yeah. The thing's sick. Yeah. Thanks, Sean. Hell yeah. Sean Eccles showed up. Let's go. What a fucking star-studded event. What a

star-studded event over here at the World's Favorite Podcast. This is more of a gala than a podcast, I feel like. Yes, it is. Who else is going to show up? It's funny when a podcast turns into a celebrity gala. Oh man, I had a great one. I need my gown. This was a podcast about just whatever was in our heads. How long have we been going?

We've been going for 50 minutes. My gosh. Yep. You want to keep going? I would love to talk more about TV. We can talk TV. What do you watch? Who's more famous between you two, your two bands?

Him. Him. Really? He's way more famous on the East Coast. That's why, is that why he's above you on the rooster walk flyer? No, I knew you were talking about this yesterday.

And I knew you were going to bring this fucking up. Oh my God. Just bring it. You're just throwing in this. Look at that. Look at that. No, literally right next to each other. But you know, okay. It's nice font to be fair. No, you know, you son of a bitch. I'm surprised. I knew you're going to fucking do this and you're zooming in on it. Okay. You'll notice. Okay. So famous, famous, famous, famous. Oh, what happened? No, you know, but can we can we we got to appreciate so I'm not even on it. So we got to present Look how far we've come.

Yeah, you used to be down here. We used to be on the fucking bottom of those things. Now we're on the second and third row. I'm gonna clap it up. That is pretty good. Also, this is his home turf. i know i'm just come on i'm gaslighting he should be on the main he should be bigger than they might be you should be on the main there's only four bands i know but you should be as big as all those bands no they're all i don't know those bands are pretty good yeah that's a i mean you don't want to talk about those we're not talking about the talking but we're going to talk about level of...

No, not as good. Just like, this is their biggest turf. They should be on top, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love all these bands. This is a great festival the more I look at it. Look at that, Little Feet. Yeah, we got Taz, our little brother.

Moon Taxi's fire. Ryan Montbleu. Oh, Rooster Walk's going to be sick this year. You know, Lettuce is like my favorite band, so... Yeah, you love Lettuce. I've loved them since I was like 20 years old. I love Grace Potter. I didn't know she was on the bill. I saw grace Potter side stage, pee in a cup before she went on stage. Hottest thing I've

ever seen. I'm like, grace Potter is a bad bitch. She's like, I gotta go pee. I gotta go to pee. Like she's like, you're on five. She's like, give me your cup TM and pissed in it. And i was right there and it was awesome all right and she's from that one band grace potter and the nocturnals yeah um so anyway he's more famous than you okay got it i love it i'm just so proud look at us we're working hard it's great to just have um a bunch of friends all supporting each other in this game. We're in this shit together. And I can't stand the competition side of it sometimes.

Me either, dude. I just want to get out there and do our thing. You know? I fucking... You know what? That's why I'm here. Everybody says that, but also everybody's lying when they say that. We're all very competitive.

Oh, yeah. That's a lie, but I get what you're saying and I agree, but come on. that's why everybody says that but also everybody's lying when they say that we're all very that's a lie but i get what you're saying and i agree but come on we're like we all want everyone else to fail a little bit it's just natural we're human beings we're hunters and gatherers you know yeah it's a fight for territory there's only so much it's a land race out there it's like have you ever seen the movie far and away with tom cruise and nicole kipman no that's what the music industry touring industry is that right now at the very end so basically it's like have you ever seen the movie far and away with tom cruise and nicole kipman no that's what the music industry touring industry is that right now at the very end so basically it's about um am i really relating the touring industry to the end of far away right now i'm gonna keep going keep going so it's a basically there are two irish uh immigrants in america around you know in the 1800s and they're terribly treated right so they moved to oklahoma

because they just got the new territory right they stole it from the native americans and they have a land race at the end which is literally you stand at the end of edge of a bunch of blocked off lots and they fire the gun everybody runs out and stakes their claim and like people get shot over it and stuff and that's literally what the music industry is right now so if you want to tell me you're not competitive and this is against their own people their own irish brethren i agree that you care about other people and you're a good person but you guys cannot fucking tell me that you're not competitive at all no i hear what you're saying and that is definitely i hope you do because i'm right well no there's that side of it. What I'm saying is, you know,

when creative stuff and art in general becomes a competition, that's like a, like, um, you know, a turnoff to me in a way. Don't you want your stuff to be the best too? What does that mean? Better than everybody else's festival. I like, it's not true, but I want to be the best sax player there all weekend. I also want everyone else to be good and have a good time, but I also want to destroy them. You know what I mean? Wow. Here we are. We were just loving each other, just loving that we were fucking moving up and then here comes Nick Gerlach just squashing our fucking trees.

No, no. The momma mentality, right? Yeah no yeah that's basically what he's saying basically is what the mama mentality is a little bit yeah just a little bit but sports is different obviously because you literally are competitors with each other yeah but you know it's just like sometimes i get sick of like the denver you know and not even just denver just musicians like kind of like there's like a fakeness to like the way they congratulate each other when something good goes you know like oh that's so cool i hate that oh that's so cool that you're on that festival that's awesome you know i'm so happy for you yeah i hate that i heard you put a new album out how's it going you know i mean whatever

i'm excited like what you tried to do there yeah exactly my favorite one i really like what you're going for yeah i like what you tried to do there. You've had musicians said that. I mean, we've had all kinds of competitive people are always mids though. It's never less successful. Never heard Jen Hartswick one time be jealous of someone. She's like too busy singing her ass. Yeah. Or whoever, you know? So what are we going to do? What do we, what did we learn today? We're going to be less than me's better than me. Yeah, we learned that Nick is a great person. Better than me.

He's above you in the rankings of best friend. I mean, I've known him longer. And he's a better person than me. He is. And he cares about people more than I do, okay? Well, we're going to be better. We're going to be less judgmental on ourselves. Okay.

Okay. Okay. We're going to be less competitive because we don't like that. Right. I'm good where I'm at with that actually. God damn it, Nick. Shut the fuck up. Satisfaction. We're going... Now I have to pressure

of writing songs with the man who's written songs with such a great songwriter. So I'm I have now I have to pressure of you of writing songs with the man Who's written songs was such a great songwriter? So I'm gonna be less hard on myself if we don't make something that you accept You've written with some pretty great songwriters. Oh, yeah, your album's a murderer's row of great songwriters. Yeah, you're right Okay, so I need to I need, so I need to trust myself more. Yeah. And try to enjoy your successes and stop worrying about things that haven't happened yet.

You're right. Wow. People with anxiety. This is a beautiful podcast. I learned a lot today. A lot of it's just worrying about things that you don't even know if it's good or bad yet. So what's the point of worrying about it?

You're right. You might still get it. God damn. Thanks, guys. Yeah. I needed this. I'm so, you know, everything happens for a reason. And I'm so thankful that I'll tell the people in Ukraine right now. Sorry about it guys. Everything happens for a reason. Sorry. Full circle. All right. I hope you had a great one. Nick you want this good that's funny it was fun I had fun and it was just I was going well I was worried yeah I've learned speaker

the house baby speak of the house Nick do you want to give the people you want to send the people off with some motivation to get them through the week on coach come on coach yeah give give Give, give, give the world savings. Kyle Chandler vibe from a Friday night lights. Yeah. Oh my, oh my what? Cool. Hearts can't win. Think what was that saying? Oh, clear hearts, clear minds, full hearts, clear minds. Can't can't lose. Can't remember it. What is it? Bo pull it up, pull it up before we leave. God damn it. It's like full hearts clear minds can't lose yeah oh he is a hot guy too he kind of reminds you have this kind of right yeah 100 i have no idea very like

it's that southern it's like look at this guy okay you've earned the right to win god damn it oh my i can see you giving this like you're about to play Red Rocks. I can see this. Oh, here it is. Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose. All right, give us that clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose mentality. I can totally see Nick doing this. What's up, America? It's Nick here from Big Something. And just here to tell you, look out for yourself and your fellow people.

And we'll all get through this shit together and take care of your hearts and your minds and your your heads inspiration and yeah this is the most melatonin Speaker 2, Speaker 3, Speaker 4, Speaker 5, Speaker 6, Speaker 7, Speaker 8, Speaker 9, Speaker 10, Speaker 11, Speaker 12, Speaker 13, Speaker 14, Speaker 15, Speaker 16, Speaker 17, Speaker 18, Speaker 19, Speaker 20, Speaker 21, Speaker 22, Speaker 23, Speaker 24, Speaker people and kill it on guitar yeah we know you we know what you're up to mr shy guy he's the shy guy in the band whatever so shy guys are generally hot guys so it's like that's why we call we don't call him big dick nick for a reason shy you call every guy named nick that he's the first one well that's fine i don't need to be that you call every guy named nick all right we gotta go we gotta go do we

I named Nick. All right, we got to go. We got to go. Do we? No, we don't. But we really don't have to go anywhere. Just keep going. Okay. If you want to be over, this is the real ending.

And now we're going to go into overtime. Nick's going to be so pissed. I told him we'd ride. And I've literally last night. It's only two o'clock. We've got him fucked up last night. You got to get fucked up when you come to Denver. Now you won't do it as much during your tour.

Yeah, you do it once. This is how a vacation always happens. You got to black out the first night. Yeah. And fucked up when you come to Denver. Now you won't do it as much during your tour. Yeah, you do it once. This is how a vacation always happens. You gotta black out the first night. Yeah. And then you go work. You work all day. And then we fucking go out. We're gonna go see John Craigie tonight. Maybe black out. And then...

And then... We're in overtime. You can check out anytime you want. And then we'll finish the song. We'll start the song today. We'll finish it tomorrow with fun details. you black out and then when you're super hung over you work your ass off for eight hours okay okay okay okay and then when you're super tired you drive all the way to fucking boulder okay and then you black out again and then you get an 80 uber home and you wake up and you're hung over and you finished the song. You maybe started the day before and then you might get something done on it. And then you have a flight the next day. Welcome to the life of Andy Frasco. Hi, it's true

life. I am Andy. I do go hard and I got to stop going that hard. Did you go hard last night? I didn't really see him. Oh, we drank. You were so normal to me. It was so cute. It didn't feel like it. I was, I was, I was dancing. I was on the girl around. You just had to get me out of this. The idea that it was not a circle jerk. It wasn't actually, no. And like they raise money for charity. So I'm not talking about the charity thing. It's just more of like the hang at the, at when there's 40 musicians, it can be weird, but everybody feels like high school reunion. It was, you know, that that's the circles you're going to talk about. It's not, not the music stuff. I'm talking about the Hank.

Hank is like, everything's kind of fake. Like, Hey man. Hey. And then you don't know when to leave the circle and go to the next, you know, it's like fucking high school reunion. I'm the worst. I'm the worst at that. I'll cause I'll stay and just not say anything.

It's a smile. Yeah. And it's here. Everyone here, the relationship they're having with their, their girl. And their girl and i'm just like well yeah i always think i'm like the funniest guy there so i should just constantly fucking ripping on them sometimes people like it you know but sometimes they're like but we drank a couple we went to steuben's which is fire you guys stupid i love it there yeah fire and then we went to a bar after that and then we went to another bar i just haven't had you feeding me jameson and oh wow we got it you know you smoked weed

yeah you know we're good i haven't been i haven't seen you in a while what shows you got coming up oh you already did that yeah but well what no i what you don't really did this weekend we got the ogden coming up like are you doing festivals or anything like what's going on with festival season for you guys there's a lot of cool stuff we're doing um we're doing sweetwater 420 summer camp um rooster walk working on our festival the big what trying to figure that out yeah god bless your heart i'm never gonna do a festival yeah uh maybe a summer price smart i might do a 200 person summer camp Maybe a summer camp. That's probably smart. Might do a 200-person summer camp. That's it.

What do you mean? Like your own camp? Or like an adult summer camp. Oh, yeah. Humphreys kind of did that once. Yeah. Do a three-day trip and just all take mushrooms

and look at flowers and shit. Andy Fosco's mushroom party. Like a tea party? Yeah. It sounds more fun. It's like Alice in Wonderland. Music festival, honestly. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. What if someone trips out too hard and like gets naked and goes into the woods we never saw that's why you have legal make up some waivers you know whatever happens here stays here brothers you cannot sue us if you trip too hard around andy fresco is that pressure big what do you feel like you have to do it because your fans are expecting it but it's like so much work yeah um it's definitely a labor of love um but it's like so much fucking work yeah it's definitely a labor of love but it's also really fun it's like you know our project in and of itself you know putting the line up together and you're kind of like DJing you know in a way

yeah and we always try to make it you know a little try and do little creative things with it and make it a little more unique are you being robbed right now what just happened down there who be down there something fell

oh you're haunted bro I'm haunted now Michael Muneer rubbed off

on me moved to Denver and our men are everywhere now he was there last night

for a little bit really that's tight okay rules um so rooster walk you're doing a

bunch of festivals and then you're gonna try to put out a record in the fall or something? We're working on some new music. I can't really say if it's going to be a record. Well, there's enough music to be a record, but we may. Just single out?

Play around with how we put it out, yeah. Yeah, might as well. Fuck it. That's a way to do it now, huh? I put out five singles, but all the singles, I guess this is new news, but 12 songs are going to be on the record. We're like back to the fifties again. Right? Yeah. Everything just back and forth full circle. Well, that's good. Well, I'm glad, you know, without like the segregation. Oh, speaking of shows, repsy.com. We haven't

even talked about our spa. They're going to be so pissed. We have two sponsors. You can ball whiskey and we can plug into one in there earlier. We can edit one and you can do a little spot. Repsy.com. Do you know anything about Repsy.com? Yeah. I hear you guys talking about it all the time. You know the pits? Let's see if you know the pits. Ooh, how good are the... Let's see how big of a podcast fan you are.

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That's amazing. I would sign up for Repsy.com. Me too. He might be number one best friend. I just told... Dolav? No. I mean...

Dolav? I mean, I already know that. Dolav's on the best lawn. Dolav would literally die for you. I'm not taking Dolav. He probably would. I think he would literally take his own life to save your life. He probably would.

But Nicky Mac... Dolav's the man. I love Dolav. I'm putting him ahead of me. It was my idea. I don't... Nicky Mac... He's putting him ahead of me. I was my idea. I don't. Nicky Mac. He's better.

Doesn't even work with the podcast. And I always said Nick everything before I post anything. Like big videos and stuff. Yeah. I always said Nick, he's my, my bounce off brother. And you do the same. We do the same together.

Yeah. I mean, what do you want? Nick Mac. We're bounce off brothers. I'm pro Nick Mac. We're bounce off. Yeah.

You're acting like you're trying to convince me or something. No, I'm just, I'm convincing Nick Mack. I'm pro Nick Mack. You're acting like you're trying to convince me or something. I'm convincing myself that you might be number three. It's fine. I'll be five. I don't want you to be five. I'm just your co-host. That's what I am. I'm not a number.

He doesn't even work in the podcast. He's listening. He's supporting us. Yeah. He said he didn't like it until I started. I fucking love you, bro. You're a good man. He said, he said, I love you and stuff. He said that he didn't even like the podcast. So I started co-hosting there. What'd you say? How'd you say it again? I can't remember what you said. It wasn't any good or I don't know. What was it? You said some guy just said that too. Here, what'd you say, Nick? Some guy said this today on the podcast or, Hey, well, Andy's, you know, he's great at hiring. No, I do. I, I really,

I think Gerlach is an awesome cohost. Hell yeah. Gerlach makes the podcast so much better. Thanks for swallowing your ego. Andy. How do you have an ego? I feel like I have a, I love it. In some ways I have a way bigger ego than you. Yeah. I just, I have it in different ways. You go some weird shit. It is weird. I definitely walk into rooms. I'm like, I'm the smartest guy here and I'm not right. You know what I mean? Do you ever get egotistical? I try to be self-aware. I try to keep it in check, but yeah, I'm sure. I try to keep in check and sometimes I get, I mean, it's just hard. Everyone is, it's like a healthy, it's part of who you are. It's like the competition thing guys.

Well, right. That's what I started reading a lot about philosophy over the pandemic. That was one thing or not philosophy, psychology. What'd you learn? Just a lot of different things, but like, um you know it's one thing that i kind of dove into and um it's uh greatly uh impacted how i interact with people and um you know kind of get through life uh not sure where i'm going with this here but uh you know it probably makes you happier yeah i just i try to be careful with you know

ego stuff try to be self-aware but you want to have some egos also healthy right you want to it's you know competition competition Kobe you know confidence versus cockiness and you know yeah you know self respect and self-love versus narcissism and you know narcissism can be fun though egotisticalness yeah yeah i mean i don't want to live like that always right you know and of course not that's you know it's just it's a balance like we're talking about yeah yeah you don't seem like you have you seem to give a really healthy ego you're from this you know north carolina people they're not so he's from dc oh well there's a lot of ego people he's city kitty huh that's true but you've lived there so long you sort of adopted yeah i went to school in north carolina sort of have the rhythm

but i don't think i don't see you as an alpha at all like in when you're high school or middle school that's the best alphas though a real alpha you don't know i hate calling people alphas it's so corny it's like the it's like a bro podcast thing but it is a thing in a way like the great best let's say leader instead of alpha the best leaders aren't so you like don't even realize you're being led sometimes you know what i mean yeah true kyle chandler mm-hmm yeah i need need another shot at that motivational speech here you go here we go no

alright we're done thanks for coming Nick McDaniels big something go find them everywhere they're the best Nick Gerlach changed his Instagram name to Nick Gerlach's Colt now. So it's official. It's a brand, you know, God, you're so corny sometimes. Well, yeah, that's the point. You gave, you gave me shit about having 40 people on stage for my

birthday party. And here you are jamming with 40 people on stage last night, but they weren't, it's totally different. All right. We're done till next week. We, Nicholas. Yeah, but they weren't. It's a totally different concept. All right, we're done. Until next week. I want to talk about that. I did it for free. It was to raise money for a thing. You're right. Goodbye. People want to see you, man. I love you.

It's a compliment to you, actually. You're right. Put yourself out there more, buddy. People like you. You're good at what you do. I just lost my tour manager to a a bunch of teens velveteers what yeah dude oh wait what oh did you hear about this schwartz called me what bo's quitting the band i was quitting the band for good for good bo's quitting the band to go on tour with the younger hipper band who's going on tour with fucking guns and hipper band who's gone on tour with fucking Guns N' Roses or whatever. Probably easier to manage, honestly.

Who are they going on tour with? Greta Van Fleet. Oh, that's tight. Greta Van Fleet. Velvet Tears. I mean, they're going to be easier to work with than you guys, right? I don't know. Maybe they're all addicted to coke. There's only three of them, right? Maybe they're set. Maybe it's euphoria over there. So what are you going to do? Are you going to get a new tour manager or is he just going

to do both? I'm just giving him a hard time. I'm taking month off i'm going to puerto rico oh he's not doing it forever well i don't know they'll probably hire him and then i'll be pretty good at it that's the thing another guy lost because i was trying to be a team player for brian schwartz all right have a good day everyone uh thanks for coming i love you um if you love them let them fly and see if they come back. That's how I always... Being so dramatic right now. Can we cut him flying like that and turn it into a GIF?

And can I have that on my desk tomorrow morning? Thank you. All right. Love you guys. Stay safe out there. Next week, we have Sierra Farrell on the show. Cool. Who's sick as fuck.

Oh, yeah. We've got a lot of great podcasts coming up. And sign up for Repsy.com. I'm going to do it twice because we did it at the hour 15. And drink some screwball whiskey because why not? Screwball whiskey. Have you had screwball whiskey? Mm-mm.

It's good. It's organic peanut butter. Cool. And it's got a little. We don't have any more because I have cavities. And this is probably a bad ad now, but go sign up for for Scoop. We'll do a separate ad and put it in there. Did you go to the dentist? I haven't, but I've been brushing my teeth more. I've been brushing my teeth more. I don't feel like the leather on my teeth anymore. Holy shit, man.

All right. Goodbye. Okay. Earlier I saw this guy eating a sandwich off the counter, straight off the counter. It wasn't even on the wrapper. It came in a wrapper. The fucking sandwich came in a wrapper. Okay, it comes in a wrapper designed for you. I can't stress enough that it comes in a wrapper people and it's wrapped in the wrapper and most people when they eat a sandwich, they unwrap the wrapper and they use that as, oh, cool. I have something to eat. Nope. Andy takes it out of the wrapper, puts it on his, we're done and eats it off the counter. Okay. Have a great day. We'll see you next week. Nick, thanks for stopping by. Let's write a hit. It has a rapper. Shut the fuck up. Goddamn. Try to talk to my number two here. Okay. Nick, thanks for having me. Be

safe. Right off the counter. People go on tour, let the wind blow in your hair. Fucking keep rocking that backwards hat. Keep fucking selling pins. Keep fucking climbing up the ladder. He do this band sell so much. I know I got there. Envious. I am envious to how many pins this man sells. You would sell pins. You just don't really. I try to sell pins. They don't fuck it. It doesn't work. Not like this guy. This guy is. Are you a mogul? He is. He is a low key mogul dude.

This podcast is never going to end. Okay. Give us advice. Give me advice. What do I need to do to make my merch game better? Hmm. Um, we like to do a little bit of a, we like to do a make my merch game better? Hmm. Um, we liked the pins because there you can merge game is so good. Do we, I want to get better.

Better. Yeah. I want to keep getting better at things. I mean, you're really good at putting creative little things to, I loved the shirt with all the band members' names on it. I thought that was cool. You know, a lot of the artwork that you're using is sick. How do I sell pins? I want to get into the pin game. So the pin game is like a collector's thing.

It's like... What is it? It's like a collector's thing. You know, it's kind of like the same thing as like baseball cards or something like that. You want to have different variants that are some of them more rare. Um, and you know, it's like a cool little token from each show that you can go to. That's not like collecting posters where you don't always have wall space for posters. And, uh, why do you think his fans

don't want to buy pens? Speaker 2. Speaker 3. It's my question though. Is it maybe just maybe I feel like maybe there's no demand. I did put up that pin of nitrous and the Jameson bottle. Someone sent me fire. I have a fire pin. Yeah. Dude.

Thousands of people wanted it. So maybe I'm just not, I shouldn't be in control of designing the pin. Yes. There are pin designers. What they do is they design pins and they come in wrappers. All right. We're done.

We're done. Okay. I love you guys. Thanks for stopping by again. Nick, I'll see you soon. He doesn't even like me anymore. Brian, no Brian said to me every time someone's around, that's not me. He's like, you're the best. What Brian Schwartz said to me, we were just like not talking and we're just in the same room and everyone else is having a great time. He's like, so the honeymoon's over. I'm like, yeah, yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Well, that's good.

We're like married and we sleep in separate beds. But you have a business relationship too, you know? Yeah. I've been trying to hold my tongue a little bit more and letting things come and patiently and be patient. Yes, you sure have. All right. I love you. Be safe out there and let the world know that you sure have. All right. I love you.

Be safe out there and let the world know that you're coming for them. I'll do a fucking motivation. Use plates too. If you don't want to use a plate, don't use a plate. If you want to eat like a savage,

like a ratchet savage in your own fucking house, fucking do it because it's your house. This is your life. You created everything you own you own this not this literally but you own this life don't forget it what if you rent your home can you that's fine eat off the floor because you put money this is your place oh yeah same with

your life own your life because you got this you You're powerful. All right. We're done. All right. Bye, guys. You tuned in to the World Saving Podcast with Andy Fresco, now in its fourth season. Thank you for listening to this episode produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Angelo, and Chris Lawrence. We need you to help us save the world and spread the word. Please subscribe, rate the show, give us those crazy stars, iTunes, Spotify, wherever you're picking this shit up.

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