Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 162: Sierra Ferrell

Episode Date: March 8, 2022

To quote Nicholas: War is bad. Ok? Let's leave it at that. Also: Frasco gets hammered in Tampa! While Nick ponders whether the world loves Andy Frasco for his mind... or his feet. And heck yes: we got Sierra Ferrell on the Interview Hour! It's EP 162, and you got the juice now. Get your voyeur kicks in now by watching this episode via youtube.  Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Wash, Rinse, Repeat" on iTunes, Spotify  Listen to some good tunes at sierraferrellmusic.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Mara Davis Brian Schwartz Arno Bakker

Oh my God, Andy, you have to watch this Real Housewives show on Bravo, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. You need a Mormon co-getter, okay? Bye. Andy, I can't even believe I have to talk to you off this ledge. I'm sitting here working my ass off for you, for all these great artists you work with. Your passive aggression is driving me absolutely bonkers. And if you tell me you want to have a career like Heather FLC,

I guess Heather from Salt Lake City Housewives, and you keep comparing your career to somebody being Heather on the Housewives, and that's somehow supposed to be a motivating factor for me, you're out of your fucking mind. Seriously. For one, you don't compare yourself to anyone else. And definitely don't compare yourself to a real housewife in any city. I don't even know what that means.

And we're back. We're back. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. This is my co-host,olas what's your mail name again it's been the you've gotten this wrong multiple times guess get there um it starts aaron no it starts with a consonant what's that a c christopher he asked me what a consonant is people you know what a vowel is?

Shut the fuck up. Let me introduce you. Nick Gerlach is my co-host. Stuart. Stuart. That's a consonant? S? Yeah.

Oh. Holy shit. God damn it. I'm getting dumber and dumber. I was like, fucking get over it. I actually had this conversation with Julie about you last night. I was like, Andy Frasco on any given topic is either a complete genius or a complete moron and there's nothing in between you don't know the capital of Delaware but like you can do like marketing numbers like in your like

while you're on the phone with someone else it's and I that might come off a little mean but I think it's true it's pretty true well I'm like hyper focus and everything else I just don't give a shit about because we were come because she was talking about so I was doing something on my computer and she's like how the fuck do you even know how to do that I was like hyper-focused and everything else. I just don't give a shit about. Cause we were, cause she was talking about, so I was doing something on my computer and she's like, how the fuck do you even know how to do that? I was like, because I know a little bit about everything. It's like, we're very different in that. That's different.

That's why you're the best co-host. Well, we'll see. Shout out to you. I don't want to make that about me actually. I was just saying like, you're either. Oh, it's about you, Nick. No, it isn't. It's actually about you.

You're either a genius or not a genius. I respect that just honesty yeah I just like you are you are fucking really good at some things thanks buddy but if you don't know something you don't know the shit out so much fun in Tampa man so it's kind of fun when you just ditch the whole crew and just go, go Bill Murray style with fans to just a bar. Dude, that's what I would do. If I had fans like you did, that would be,

it would be just fun to just go out and make people's day like that. I had the most fun. We did Gasparilla Fest and the show was packed. It was like, we played second stage. Yeah. And I played that festival. Fucking slammed F4. They played that festival. Fucking slammed.

F4. Yeah. They said it was the biggest crowd. So shout out to Tampa for fucking spreading the word about the band. You're a great 5 p.m. festival player. That is my,

honestly, I hate doing the fucking headline set at a festival. I want the four. I want the five o'clock. I want the three. That is my perfect. See, you get it.

You get it that you're a genius about certain things because you understand that like Sound that is my you get it you get it that you're a genius about certain things because you you understand that like soundtrack sector nine they have to play at night they have to yeah because the lights are like 30 percent of it you don't even need lights you are the lights yeah so it's like you're perfect for like oh i'm just starting to get my buzz on at 6 p.m i'm starting to get in a good mood my ladies here with me i got the night off this is like i don't have to do shit tomorrow. That's like perfect.

Then you come in and then like the artsy jam band comes. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think we're a perfect sunset band. Exactly. See, you get it.

And that's still a really good slot. That's the best slot. You can headline at 6 p.m. I love when the sun is out during the set and it's setting by the night. It's been hot all day and it's starting to cool off. Yeah, when the sun is out during the set and it's setting by the night. It's been hot all day and it's starting to cool off.

Yeah, and the wind is breezing and everyone's finally getting comfortable not having swamp ass and shit. I want to play a music festival now. Dude, you're about to. You're doing that workout thing. That's inside. That's what serves. Workout West. That's going to be cool. It's on April 2nd.

That'll be fun. I'm doing my nick gerlach's cult set solo music did they announce workout yet i don't know like the bands actually no i don't think so all right good but workout west is like i'm doing like tweener so i'm doing 350 and then i'm playing with the headliner super jam that'd be fun i mean since, since Guabi and Borum. Oh, nice. So you're back in the Denver. We're back. Has your agent got you any shows?

Yeah. Well, nothing I can, nothing confirmed, but yeah, he got me that. Oh, sick.

Let's go. What's his name? Jordan. Shout out to Jordan. He's a good looking guy, actually. I'll bring a pic next week. I don't have my name ready.

Oh man. So I went to Gasparilla and it was fucking awesome. Pirate. Badass show. Right? It's a pirate thing yeah sometimes i get nervous um i love tampa yeah sometimes i get nervous when like we have a bass switch because sometimes uh chris has to play bass and like he hasn't played in a month and a half so we're basically just throw and go and pray for the rock gods and fucking killed it so shout out to chris lorenz our editor oh he was there this weekend yeah he killed it no floyd no floyd

yeah it's fucking domestic yeah there's no domestic flights from nantucket that guy i'm still so okay so come on floyd i'm still in the group chat jesus fuck yeah you are still in the group chat and every once in a while I'll pop in or I'll just act like I'm going to soundcheck. But every time you guys go home from somewhere over winter, Floyd is texting. It's like two days after everyone's been home and he's like, oh, I'm almost to Boston.

Another flight. If this gale doesn't pick up, I think I'll be able to get home by Thursday. It's always an issue. He's the worst luck. He's the worst luck. Oh, don't live by a regional airport. Chris Lorenz also. All bass players have the worst luck in He's the worst luck. Oh, don't live by a regional airport. Chris Lorenz also.

All bass players have the worst luck in our band. Chris Lorenz, we were in China, and I don't know. We were just, oh, yeah, Sasha Gray was in town. The porn star? Yeah. I think she might be from my hometown. Yeah, she's badass. She watched our show in Macau, then invited us to this like, like a after

party porn star after party. Yeah. I'll be there. You know, it was fucking awesome. How do you not go to that? You gotta like, at least see what's, you know? Yeah. It wasn't like sex.

It's just them partying at a club. I bet they're like all personalities. Yeah. They're all fucking wild as shit. That's what I'm saying. These aren't like accountants. You see like people like, and it's like very legal to do drugs in china really oh my god everywhere dude or just no just everywhere in china like uh weed will give you a death penalty um cocaine will give you the death penalty okay that doesn't sound

very legal that's what i said illegal oh i thought you said legal no that's why i was confused all right yeah that makes sense so we go to this party and this one kind of still blowing doing my blow and stuff oh and um doing like coke in the bathroom with porn stars and shit and they're just getting wild and just like talking to me like i love metal music they all love metal music yeah because they're coked out of their head all the time but it was a lot of fun I don't know I got there but um oh after party just saying yes so this is what I did so Gasparilla I got out you know the band's doing their thing everyone's like kind of like have 5 a.m flights so I knew they're going to be kind of done and I'm like I my flight's at 7 00 a.m so i'm going out so i go out two hours so i bring so these guys i hung out with my homies who are like these super umphrey

heads oh um and i hung out with him on his first birthday it was his birthday that day so him and his girlfriend we did we're a trio walking around taking photos and i love doing that and then we go out and then we meet a couple more fans at the after party at the hub. Like a couple more fans who listened to the podcast religiously and know everything about us. It was so fucking cool. They're like, yo, how's Nick doing? You know, if you ever need talking about like your, I was like, damn, she knew everything. Really? Couple who just like, I like that we have a lot of male and female listeners.

It's killer. I love, shout out, Shout out to all the women listening to us. Fuck yeah. It seems like a lot of podcasts are divided by gender lines, but I don't think ours is at all. I think it's pretty close to half and half. It is, actually. It's 51-49. That's exactly the same.

Women, more women than men. That exactly reflects the exact population. Hell yeah. So shout out. Hell yeah. Shout out. So then I go out, and then now i'm just getting real buzzed yeah i um took a little molly uh-oh you know i've actually kind of partying every on the weekends a little

bit more than i normally do but i have it under wrap where like i know when to stop now took a little molly really good to tell people about your felony on camera and then i took a little coke oopsie yeah no no we took a little bit i Oopsie. No. No. I took a little bit. I took one bump. I was, cause I was already like, that's the thing when you play at 4 PM. I know.

Don't shine at me. Don't. It's going to get, you're going to definitely get a call from Brian. I know. Three hours. Well, I'm being honest about it.

And I, I controlled it. I didn't have to do it all night. I bet the Velveteers don't party like this. Oh yeah. Shout out to Bo for getting a new job. Bo quit. Bo quit our band.

Bo quit Andy's band. He's a,y gave him a place to live and a job and he said yeah gotta go hey man you know um no i don't wanna the grass is always greener anywhere else in the world yeah you know enjoy it enjoy it you're gonna have a blast um yeah it's gonna be so much easier to tour manage them i know there's only three of them. They're like young and new. Yeah, and they probably don't party. They're like opening arena tour, I think, or something like that. Do they party? Do you know yet? Velveteers?

I mean, even if they party, it's like... Have you had a band call with the Velveteers? Yeah, I talked to them. Oh, cool. So were they nervous? Were they young kids? I mean, it's a big tour for them. They're going on tour with Black Keys and Greta Van Fleet back to back.

What is it, a trio? I think so, yeah. A big tour for them. They're going on tour with Black Keys and Greta Van Fleet back to back. What is it, a trio? I think so. A girl and two guys? They're pretty badass. I like their music. Oh, really? They're Boulder kids. Nine binary? Oh, cool.

They're Boulder kids who are playing punk rock. They're Boulder kids? Yeah. It's pretty sick. So, cut that, cut that, cut that. Yeah. No, only us. Only talk about us. So I did a little cut that cut that yeah no only us only talk about yeah so I did a little blow and then I started going out and I'm like five or six shots cheap by 10 p.m. and I kept going further and further away from the hotel you ever have those things we're like this is horrible I'm good this is bad no I have Nick now it's gonna be a hundred dollar uber and like it's like i had a blast and

um i didn't miss my flight and uh chris oh that's why i brought up the sausage right there it is because chris was partying hard and as he has want to do uh floyd's done this in china too where like they don't get they just give us non-stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like stars. Yeah. It's awesome. And so he threw up. I love that Chris edits the podcast, so we know. We'll see if this makes it in. He threw up on the floor of the hotel and then pissed himself. Chris?

Chris. And peed all. Okay, okay, okay. Just to clarify, I took my pants off first, motherfucker, and then I peed on them, all right? He peed everywhere. And like the fucking, our liaison, our China liaison's pounding on the door. Christopher, you need to come.

You need to go to the fucking airport. You need to go to the airport. You're running out of time. You're running out of time. Wow. And then they open the door, and you just see him just pissed, all pissed out. I mean, if you're going to go, go for it. Yeah, so shout out of time. You're running out of time. Wow. And then they open the door and you just see him just pissed, all pissed out.

I mean, if you're going to go, go for it. Yeah, so shout out to Chris for making the airport. I would be so scared to get drunk

in a foreign country like that. Man, it's the best. I know, but also, I have that thing in me that's like, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I wouldn't like to be drunk by myself. Especially one where I'm so far from the language. Yeah. If I was in like Spain, I could probably figure some stuff out or France. Do you think they're going to speak English in Puerto Rico?

I've never been there. I don't think so. I think they speak Spanish, right? I think they probably speak both. I don't know. What language is Puerto Rico? It's definitely Spanish, but I think it's pretty...

They're smarter than us. So they speak two two languages so i'm going there for two weeks but the first two days yeah first two days i've been saying one by myself i don't like this you going to puerto rico for two weeks with the kakuzas the trip is very hiking it's not we're only doing a we're only staying in a bar true but also we're only staying you have a point we're only staying at like a bar san juan for four days and then we're going to like these islands where all the illuminescent thing is like where the water the avatar water is i just re-watched the will smith national geographic uh on earth it i'm sure it does all that stuff so it dude and will smith is pretty good you know it's like it's basically he probably is going everywhere that jada isn't it you know just to get the away from

that crazy chick oh yeah they're not getting along huh no they're not i don't follow the celebrity he's like we'll take the national geographic gig we'll take the host he's hosting some bullshit on tnt i'm like so shout out to will working it out he's had a pretty good career no but i'm go we're going to a hotel that's teaching us how to serve for five days okay you're gonna drink i don't just like i know i don't believe you and you are a liar okay that's all i'm saying about this i didn't drink last night you're saying you're gonna hang out with the two cuckoos for two weeks in Puerto Rico and you're going to not get drunk very much?

You're right. Reading the room. You're right. I don't day drink anymore. Congratulations. You want a fucking... I don't. I don't.

You want a prize? I only drink at night. But vacation's so different. I only day drink at night. What do you do on vacation? Me? I don't really go on vacations. I don't know.

You don't take your girlfriend out on vacation? We don't go to places. No, no. Go back. Go back to this. What? Why don't you treat your lady to something dope? I don't know.

We went to Chicago. How do you show intimacy to your girlfriend? I'm not answering these questions. Go back to confusing. I'm not talking sexually. I'm just talking like, give me pointers like i am new to all this well you just gotta do i do little nice things all day hmm like what when we start making money on the podcast i'll take her somewhere yeah but what do you do like little nice things like write her letters and

stuff no like i take her to work in the morning and i pick her up from work and you take care of her that's dope god you are romantic sort of you ever just i'm also not very romantic at all in other ways grand gestures are not my thing yeah like a valentine's day that valentine's day is stupid yeah what about holliday what do you get her a gift for christmas yeah sometimes we do sometimes we don't get each other anything i don't know depends birthday more yeah one year for valentine's day i sent her to a hotel in golden by herself for three days you know what you should send her this year what to sign up for repsy.com yeah ladies and gentlemen she's got to get her stand-up career

off yeah if you are a stand-up before a musician if you're a if you're a club owner, venue owner, what else is there? Oh, wedding planner. If you're anything from one side of being an artist to the other side of buying artists or helping build an event. All of them. Sign up for Repsy.com. It's really easy. They don't take a cut if you're with an agency. Damn. I'm not sure.

They got to take a cut from the other side. But that's respect. You got to make your money. You got to make your money you got to make it money go reps you make your money yeah so sign up for reps.com we've already had so many bands sign up and it's been in the hundreds right hundreds almost five hundreds yeah other sponsors if you're look thinking about yeah if you want to sponsor the podcast we are available because we give out great ads we do Sierra Farrell's on the show oh yeah I don't know I am fucking jacked I am obsessed with her I've been listening to her for fucking oh really for months now it's all I listen to in the morning right bro

it's the shit she's amazing and um her life is story she's almost died off heroin three times and came back damn she's lived as a gypsy in um under trains like under train tracks and i don't want to ruin the whole interview but this was i was mind-boggled i was like because i already had a crush on her going in and then i saw how you have a car every single person you interview. I know because they're also, they're intimate. It's just intimacy. Yeah. But I had a crush on her going in. Then I just like,

Oh, I hope. Yeah. Like, what kind of music is it? It's kind of bluegrassy. It's kind of gypsy. It's kind of, she's a nomad,

huh? Country a little bit. It's very like a really cool version of like nashville gypsy new orleans i remember i researched this one and she like was like basically just like a nomad yeah big part of her life just busking she traveled from the east coast i think west virginia i can't remember yeah i think that's it is west virginia all the way to port or to seattle damn that's about as far as you can go. Hopping trains to get to Seattle. All right, we're going to have a great week.

I got something to do. I got something ready for us to fuck up. And I am ready. I'm going to have a great week. Sierra Farrell, you're going to love her. I can't wait. You're going to fucking love her. And Nick, ready?

Ready to have a great week? I think so. I feel good. It's a good Tuesday. I feel good. It's a good Tuesday. I feel good. It's not zero degrees anymore. Oh, my God. It's so beautiful.

I walked into fucking 65, flew in from Nashville. I went to visit Vince because he was having heart problems and he had pneumonia. He was in the hospital. It was fucking scary shit, dude. He's all right now? He's good. He's happy. Came there.

I'm going to direct his new music video. He's all right now? He's good. He's happy. Came there. I'm going to direct his new music video. He's putting out like a solo record. I love that you're like a video guy now. I love it. Yeah, you wanted me

to make a music video for him, so I'm going to edit it and direct it. Yeah, you're good at it. I'm getting better. We got a couple videos that I'm putting out here with singles coming up soon.

We got one single coming up next week, I think. Oh, really? Which one? Grow Old. And then in April, our song comes out, Big Daddy. Let's blow it up. I didn't write the lyrics.

Let's blow it up. It's a fun song, actually. I like it. All right. Have a great week. It's a different thing for you guys. Thanks for brainstorming what I'm trying to figure out for this year of festivals because I want to get something fresh and slap that ass with the cash.

It's a big summer for you. This is like a do or die summer. This is a do or die summer. This is a push. I can feel it. Everything's coming together. Album. I see these things.

Album, podcast, live show, big crowds. This is my year. I'm turning into this observer of the music industry because I don't have any goals beyond like the middle anymore I'm here to it up I'm gonna see what's going on here let's go I'm seeing things come together it's all coming together I'm down because it's only going to help me in the long run all right goodbye um have a good one Bo I know this is your last week with us it's been fun we've loved you so much I hope you have the greatest time you're welcome for the place to live yeah thank you

you're honored I'm honored to have your presence your friendship yeah you're I hope you have fun on tour with that other band I hope you have fun

on arenas while we're out here just fucking grinding it out out here in Denver okay playing theaters in Madison

I'm going to Puerto Rico alright shut the fuck up don't worry about me Jesus maybe I'm the one with the shitty All right, shut the fuck up. Don't worry about me. Maybe I'm the one with the shitty life. No, you're great. All right, we got to get out of this. We got to get out of this. Bye, guys.

We love you. I love you. What's up, Sierra? How you doing? I'm doing great. I'm just enjoying this time off that I have now because I'm about to be really freaking busy. So let's talk a little bit. So I heard you're from West Virginia.

Correct. And you moved around to all these different small towns. Tell me about living in West Virginia. What was your childhood like? Well, you know, when you're a kid, you don't really realize how, like what else is out there in the world, you know? Yeah. And when I was a kid growing up, it's, especially in West Virginia, there's like, you're kind of like tucked away in all these little hollers, that's what they call them. It was up and down, you know, because I kind of grew up in, my mom was, you know, we were pretty poor, so we moved around a lot. But, you know, I wouldn't change anything because it made me who I am today, for sure.

What did your mom teach you about work ethic? Oh, Lord. My mom, she's special. Let's talk about it. Well, you know, my mom has been married like eight times. And she really loved getting married, clearly. Was she like a, just like, what do they call it? Like a relationship goes to the next relationship goes to the next relationship.

She never had some free time for herself. Yeah. And then, you know, she was like going to the nursing school. One thing that she did teach me though was, which is kind of a curse and a blessing because when I was really young, you know, she like loved me a lot. She loved me probably too much. And it's just like, it really sets up really high standards for, for, for partners in my life, you know? Oh, like she, her loving you too much was like when you started having

relationships and these dudes didn't love you as much as your mom, like what the. Yeah, absolutely. No, I feel that. I feel that, what the fuck? Yeah, absolutely. Hell yeah. No, I feel that. I feel that. I'm like that with my mom too. I'm like, God, I can't keep a relationship to save my life because I have this high standard of what love is. Absolutely.

So tell me about that. So do you think like, is that like detriment to you trying to find love or do you take it as like a positive like i'm not going to come in until i see that full 100 love that i deserve um i see it as a positive at this point in my life um i'm 33 now and maybe like when i was younger it was probably more of a curse but as i'm getting older um and i'm figuring out what i'm doing with my life and things are kind of falling into place i definitely see it more as

a blessing yeah that's good what about when you were younger did it you up a little bit yeah i would say i say i say it did and you know i'm trying to be on the path of healing too because i feel like we don't realize how traumatic or how much trauma we have sometimes until it's like years later i know and that's up that's up i agree dude i agree so what do you think what do you think that is do you think we're just like um we're just staying distracted or do we like don't really listen to our brain or see how our brain reacts to things until later in life i think sometimes we just also just trick ourselves we're like we got this we're fine and then like actually you're like actually i'm not fine dude suppression is a bitch sometimes

you know like we we we've tried to like cope, we put a bandaid over something that's internally bleeding. Yeah, that is, there's a song in there. Let's write it. So what, so you, when did you get out of West Virginia? Cause it's, I mean, your story's amazing. I mean, you're busking all around New Orleans and stuff Orleans stuff like give us like the what made you leave West Virginia and start your own path um well you know there just wasn't much going on for me there it's

just like you know I was at the time that I started leaving West Virginia I was staying on Jefferson Street do you know do you know like that? It's like a comedian that did like a whole like, like Jefferson. Well, just like, you know, just like strip clubs and opiates. And it's really not. I mean, there's more I'm not trying to like talk, talk, talk. Because like, West Virginia is beautiful. And it's, it's charming. And there's, there's a lot of good positive stuff about it but you know as a kid i just i knew that there was something else i needed to be doing like uh i just felt bigger i was like i was like i need to be i need to be somewhere where it's more stimulating and like just more

activities going on but i definitely could see myself maybe going back to west virginia one day because it's so beautiful with just the hills and Fayetteville West Virginia is very beautiful with like the Gully Bridge and everything. What about um, what, how old were you when you realized you had to get the fuck out of there? Well, I mean, I just, I was just in a dark place. And at one point I was like, I need to leave or I'm gonna die, you know? Did you get into drugs and stuff?

Yeah, I was definitely dabbling in that. I'm definitely not doing it these days, which is, honestly, I see it as a blessing because I got it out of the way. Yeah, totally. So you felt like the lifestyle you were living in West Virginia wasn't healthy, and you had to get a new change of pace. So you said, fuck it, let's go to New Orleans. I already know I'm gonna fall in love with that city. And I'm just gonna save it. And so like, you know, I really just started going west. And just kind of, you know, I've been all over. And I was actually living in Seattle first

before I made my way to New Orleans. How old are you when you started traveling? I'd say like my mid-20s oh cool so you were there for a bit you went to college out there or did you just stay in town i never went to college i knew school wasn't for me um it's just i don't know like you know schools for me like when i was growing up i i just i don't learn the way that they teach like mostly in schools um and you know i probably i bet you like most people most kids in america they don't like like you know because we all kind of have our own ways of learning and like yeah so it's like school wasn't for me i just was over the

drama and i just dropped out and i did get my GED for my parents because they're like get you know get your GED or whatever damn so you didn't even graduate high school no oh hell yeah okay so you didn't graduate high school what were you doing so when did you leave junior year I actually left my senior year but I dropped out I've dropped out of high school twice because I dropped out of school for like a year and then I went back. Because, um, you know, everyone's like, What are you gonna do with your life? Like you have to do you need to go you need to be in school, you have to get your diploma and like, blah, blah, blah. And then so like, I went

back and I was like, I was like, Oh, this is as miserable as I remember. So I went back and I was like, oh, this is as miserable as I remember. Hell yeah. So isn't it crazy when we trust our gut and then all of a sudden we get outside voices and opinions telling us what we need to do and it just still makes us sadder

because we're not trusting ourselves? Yeah, absolutely. And I knew that there was something else planned for me. I'm like, I'm not going to be a doctor or a lawyer or anything like that. I'm not really good at science. Science? Science. Juice?

What the fuck is juice? Yeah, no, I get that. I left school. I'm a musician as well. And I started touring when I was 18 because I just knew there's more than just chasing the rabbit's tail in Los Angeles. I mean, so those two years. So when did you start traveling? How old were you? um 25 maybe you know all the years kind of start to meld together yeah um and you know it was actually a good friend of mine who passed away this past year she she just like saw me you know like she like lived she was in a van at the time and she had like she was visiting neighbors i was living in a trailer park on jefferson and she saw me and she's like, I'm getting you out of here.

You know, she like had a chicken and she like traveled with a chicken and like a bunch of dogs. You know, like I was like this, I was like, she's cool as hell. I like this chick.

And like, she's just like gave me a knife one day. Like she came back shortly after she came through with her van and the chicken, her chicken was named Buck Buck. You know, you know, like the people find signs, she'd be like over there, like the sign would say, can I get a book book? Oh yeah.

So you ended up, so you started traveling with her. What did you like? Give me like the first month. Like, did you feel freed? Like, what was your, what was going through your head? Were you writing music already? Or was this like a dream you always wanted to do? Cause I heard, you know, from the grapevine that you had surgery as a kid and it fucked up your voice and you had to like blow

balloon. You had to like blow up balloons over and over again to get bigger. That is correct. It's true. So what, let's talk about that before we talk about um the years how old were you when you had this surgery i would say i was probably about four or five i know i could talk you know i was talking a lot and then uh it was around the time that my parents got a divorce and um i i had to decide to either go with my mom or my dad, which was like really tough. At four? Yeah. The fuck?

And it was kind of messed up, because they were competing in a way. But my mom was just crying all the time, and I was like, I'm going to stay with my mom, and I didn't want to leave her alone so i decided to stay with her which was like a huge turning point and like you know like it's like i sometimes wonder like what would have my life have been like if i would have went to california with my dad what where did he live in california he lived in california somewhere i'm not 100 sure but you know i i ended up staying in west virginia i think he lived in san diego oh are you close to your dad or no um you know i'm not really close to my dad but um he lives back

in west virginia and he's like good friends with my mom and stuff so like they're still connected in a way even though he was absent for many years and um so like my family all kind of lives close together like my brother lives close to mom and he's got a wife and a couple kids and my younger brother just got married and thank god that my brother had kids for me because you know how moms are like so when are you gonna have kids yeah you're like i'm good mom chill chill chill put that guilt on another kid yeah no yeah it's like i would i would feel sorry for any child that i would have right now i'm just not ready yet yeah no i feel that i'm i'm 33 i'm i don't i've never even had a girlfriend i'm trying to figure that out i'm trying to figure that out

so what happened with this surgery what happened why did you need surgery well it's just like you know a normal yeah um like my tonsils got swollen they're like oh we're gonna take these suckers out and it's like um i guess like and i've never heard other people talk about this much but they took my adenoids out which is like in your has to do with your sinuses oh what it's like they took my tonsils and my adenoids out and i guess that's like i had to relearn how to talk all over again Because just because there was all this extra space in there, you know, right and then like my body was like what the heck So then I talked like this

It was like it was even higher than that. Like I can't even do it now. So what did blowing up a balloon do? well for some reason like whenever i would like try to blow there was like some sort of situation going on inside of me where there was like some skin or like something that was like blocking the air like it would come up and it would like stop me from doing it from like being able to blow air out and And so I guess I just had to like, relearn and like work muscles that I was never used to using to like get used to just being able to talk and like, communicate with people. Holy shit. Yeah. Were you like, so how many years did it take for you to develop that muscle back? I would say it was probably about a year.

Holy shit. Yeah, I had to like go I had to go to talk about some fucking trauma. Oh my god, as a kid, you're getting divorced. Your parents are getting divorced. You got no throat. I know. And I would like and like, every time I talk, my family would like laugh at me. And I was just crying. I'm like, you guys don't even you never take me seriously. Oh oh I'd be out of town too I'd be done

hold on so did did you have a lot of trust issues when you're a kid um I mean the government gives all of us plenty of trust issues yeah even at a young age you're thinking about the government honestly when i was when i was a kid like i just knew things weren't right you know yeah and i would i would definitely cry all the time like well you know like probably more in middle school i i because like you go to history class and you're like, what the fuck is wrong with people? Because the heart of man is good, but we are our surroundings. Rich people keep breeding and giving them mentalities

of taking over the world sort of situation. Who cares about the planet? Let's just use plastic fossil fuels. Fucking nuts. And you were thinking about this at the womb like 10. i was i was thinking about a pretty young age and honestly like i remember like going to school and like going to doing history classes and stuff and i would just like dread it because i knew i would just like make me sad do you believe do you believe in old souls definitely, I believe in reincarnation for sure. So has your old soul ever have conversations with you inside of you?

I freaking hope so. I'm assuming so. They're having a conversation with you via 10 years old about the government. That's insane so you've always had this itch that something was wrong with society and yeah it was like almost maybe even like a past life thing i feel like i was definitely in a i was i lived in a world where it was more spiritual and people embraced spirituality more. Like, I feel like, you know, you know, we don't talk about stuff much because it's, we were too wrapped up in people being like, oh, I need to get up.

I need to go to work. I need to make money and go home. And then you're tired and you just like your meal, watch a little bit of TV, go to bed, rinse, repeat, you know? Yeah. And it's like, I just feel like in Western society, they've just like taken away all the magic. And there's like, there's no, I mean, there's spiritualism,

but like, it's like God fearing Christianity, which is depressing. I know. Any sort of religion, like where you're supposed to be scared and you're supposed to be fearful, you hate people because of how they are and who they are. That's just, that That doesn't sit right. Isn't that like the basics of society too?

Yeah. I don't know. It's not that hard to be nice to people and just let them be themselves as long as they're not hurting anyone. What do you think triggers that in people? I think what triggers it is us is like a lot of it is is raising but also a lot of it is just like who we are as characters and also the people who we are surrounded with because it's especially like for young children it's easy to brainwash kids you know because it's like right you talk about like like a race of people because of their skin

color and then like they think you know their kids think it's okay and that that's normal and then they until they find it on their own they're like oh hey this is up i shouldn't think this way about someone it's because their skin's different right or like even like other things as well like morals like maybe like society tells you that we need to get married and have a white picket fence and a dog and shit. And maybe we're not, maybe inside of some people, we don't really feel that way. So why do we keep pushing things on kids when we don't even know what type of brain they have yet? It's true. It's true.

It's fucked up. It's true. It's true. It's fucked up. You know, it's like, so you, so it took you 20 years to realize, fuck this. I'm getting in a car or a van or what was, what was the car you traveled in with your, with the rooster? First one, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't a car. Like we just got dropped off on the side of the interstate and we're like, we just started hitchhiking. What? I know, I know. She's know she's like here put this knife on i'm giving you this knife gave me a nice backpack she's like here this is a kelty a kelty backpack or whatever she's like put all your stuff in here don't bring too much stuff you know and then we just got dropped off on the side of the interstate and then by a friend of ours and we just went did you have a guitar

on the side of the interstate and then by a friend of ours and we just went did you have a guitar i did have a guitar absolutely did you what was were you writing songs in those early 20 years before you said let's do this or you just like put it all out there and said fuck it i'm just gonna learn on the road well um my idea like at the time i remember i was like i was like i'm gonna find my my musical bandmates like that's like kind of what was the goal for me in my mind in a sense and also just to save myself and um try to find a better way of life and just uh just to see things because you know like also that feel like that's that's an issue with a lot of people is like you know they stay in their hollers or like back in the woods or whatever, like isolated and they just like surround themselves with people who think like them and it's not necessarily the best

way to think, you know, and nobody ever challenges them or like leads them in another direction and they just like marinate that and come bitter or. Yeah. Like people are, think that there's nothing left. There's nothing more than what's outside of your zip code or area code. Yeah. And that's not living. It's just an echo chamber.

I have a thing about social media and watching social media all the time. It's like one big fucking echo chamber with the people that you follow. How are you supposed to have different values or different ways of thinking and if you're just hearing everyone either you know pat your back or you know have the same views you have and and that's what's crazy too is like we are so powerful as people. But like, you know, today in society, like they don't want you to know how powerful we are, how powerful you are. I know. As an individual.

I mean, and of course, together, it's like even more powerful. But just like our thoughts, our words, we are our surroundings, you know, like we are our friends. you know like and we are our friends like if you surround yourself with people who think positively um actually genuinely care for you and not just want something that you that you can offer them then like your life will be it'll be more fruitful and fulfilling than if you get stuck in a pattern where you're like thinking negative thoughts and like usually you know like you get depressed you stay in bed and it's it's it's you know like meditation is super important like to say like to having mantras like where you like be like i will be successful i will be happy you know like yeah if you say stuff with intention and i mean like meditating like you don't even have to say it out loud like just like think stuff like that i mean i try to do that every day, personally.

I try to say I'm healthy, I'm happy, I'm successful. My life is fruitful. I say stuff like that at least once a day. How long did it take you until you started loving yourself? It's a different journey for everyone. I feel like I'm still learning to love myself because, you know, we have our insecurities. And it's just like, you know, just learning how to climb over that wall and just like learn to love yourself. And, you know, like everyone says, until you learn how to love yourself, you're not going to be able to love people the right way. Yeah.

Fuck. I'm going to clap it up for you. I don't even know you. I like this. You're bad one, Sierra. We're very similar in the way like when I was 19, I left LA, bought a van, and by myself drove a van around the country and just Craigslist musicians until I found the musicians I wanted to be in my band how long did it take you to um find your band of brothers and sisters to uh ride this journey with you are you still looking um i think it's always like a never-ending search but um

because but i mean i love the people who are in my band now and it took me a long time to to find the outlet for this because you know like i was in seattle and i was busking uh i was in a couple like street performing bands but they were already in other people's bands you know and then you know i went to new orleans it's the same thing amazing musicians amazing people but everyone's in a lot of other people's bands you know everyone just has so many eyes the fire everywhere did you like that or did you not like that you wanted your own people for yourself no I mean I like I want people to be creative and be in as many bands different genres as possible you know

but I just needed people to commit a little more to me so then I could like cuz that you know my goal was to be able to tour eventually and like You need people who are more free with and it's in that sense So then they can drop what they're doing and like come on tour, you know, yeah It's so funny. I never thought that Nashville would be the place for me because I mean I love blue guys music Don't get me wrong. I love it. But I listen to so much different other stuff to you, you know Oh, yeah, and I hear that in your music i'm like i hear like gypsy gypsy rock i hear tom waits i hear all these other things in bluegrass and then i hear like you know with like the tracks with billy strings and

and a couple other ones like um hold on i just i'm i'm sierra i'm like i haven't stopped listening to your music all week you No, you're bad. You're bad. You're bad. You are you, you bad bitch. I swear like in dreams sick. And then Jeremiah, very sick. I relate to Jeremiah.

I don't know if you're taught what's that song to you about? Because I think of it as one way. All right. I'll just say it. I see it as you have, it's like a relationship and you're finding love. And before, if you don't, if someone doesn't give your full heart, you're just going to put them back on the shelf.

Is that, am I wrong about that? Or is it the other way around? You're definitely on the right track. Tell me about it. Whenever I wrote Jeremiah, it's a little bit of people around me. Because there was someone in Nashville. He was married, but he never wore his wedding ring. And he's an amazing performer.

And that's the thing about being a performer. You're on a pedestal on a stage. So you put yourself out there there and then people see that. And they're like, Ooh, you know, like, I want that. You're like, you attract a lot of people that like, want to be loving towards you or like, because they admire what you have. And so like, you know, I'd see all these women swooning over him because he's very handsome and he's like, and he's very talented.

And so, and I mean, I'm not'm not gonna lie i was one of those women i mean i mean let's go let's go i mean nothing ever happened but like i just remember that i was like i was like i have to put that in his song because it's like i found that he was married you know and then i was like oh yeah and then and then so i i kind of like got that, you know, the line in the song, you know, about like leaving the ring in your pocket and don't stay out too late, come back home. And that's kind of how I got like a little bit of that

was like, you know, I try to use a little bit of my surroundings and try not to be completely an egomaniac and just write things about myself. Hell yeah. It's hard, I mean, you know, like we're trying to write about life and I feel like everyone,

a lot of people have very similar situations when you seem like you're an empath on how you write. Also, it feels like you're kind of writing that a little bit about yourself in a way or no? About like people, maybe you don't see all the people who love you because you put love on such a high pedestal. You know what? Ding, ding, ding.

What do we have for him, Johnny? Oh no, I'm just getting to know you, but that's what I get. This is like a therapy session right now. This is great. Hell yeah, I'll clap for myself. Hell yeah, let's go. Let's go, Frasco. Yeah, so what do you see in yourself in that type of relationship with others and yourself? Well, I think deep down, we all just want to be genuinely loved by a person. And everyone's kind

of different people can be polyamorous not me but um i guess like deep down i've always like wanted a person to be to spend my whole life with yeah same and is it hard to come to settle with somebody because you put such a high pedestal on it? I definitely feel like as I'm getting older, it's getting a little hard. I mean, in a way, it's easier to maintain the feelings of it. It's not as devastating or saddening. But I definitely feel it's like, because my standards are getting even higher

because it's like I need someone on my level who's trying to work on their career and also, you know, I'm gone a lot. I'm torn a lot. Yeah. So it's like I'm- You gotta have your own thing going on too, brother. Yeah, it's like I need to have your own thing going on

and also like need them to be okay with me being gone a lot. Yeah, same. So did you ever feel like, I need them to be okay with me being gone a lot. Yeah, same. So did you ever feel like, I want to go back to why you feel like that. Can we start in Seattle? What was Seattle like busking? Were you felt alone or did you have a lot of friends

and did you make more money in Seattle versus how much you made in New Orleans busking? Because it says like you're making more money busking than playing the clubs. It's true. And especially now that I'm in Nashville, it's insane. Because it's quality over quantity here in some situations. Because if you don't do it, somebody else will. Right.

Exactly. So tell me about Seattle when you were first busking. Was that your first time really busking was in the city? No, no, but that's like one of my, I loved busking in Seattle because it was like in Pike Place Market, so there's fresh fruit, fresh flowers everywhere. It was just, it was very charming, you know?

Like it's been around for the beginning of America, you know? So where'd you go in between west virginia and seattle for make you decide to land in seattle oh honey i was just everywhere i was like i just went you know like and then i was riding trains and i was like hitchhiking i never a lot of times i never really had a destination i was just like went i was like just went with the flow for a while were you partying I was definitely partying like what kind of like coke and stuff or no I mean I was I was drinking a lot and I was definitely you know dabbling in some and some some opiates and I'm glad I got it out of the way though because i don't you know like it's something i don't think about anymore sorry to break it bring it up um no it's okay no you know like honestly i learned probably one of my favorite life lessons on it because i passed

away and i've seen some things and i'm definitely not as i'm not afraid to die anymore. Hold on, you, you, whoa, backtrack. You passed away? Yeah, well, you know, like I passed away like four or five times from it. And for some reason it just like, I keep coming back. And you know, it's like, God, it's like, there's more plans for you. You got to get out there.

Like you can't come here yet, you know? So do you mind talking about this a little bit? Yeah. What was the fact? So you overdosed four times? Yeah, about four or five times. And one time, well, all over, honestly. But the one time that I passed away and I saw something,

it was just like, it was very comforting to know that I definitely believe that there's something after this whenever we pass away what so where were you when you first overdosed I would say I would definitely say West Virginia. Young? Were you young? Yeah, I was probably early 20s, like 20, 21. So right before you left the road? Well, you know, because it's like I was kind of in a dark hole for a while, you know, like my early 20s. And then I just knew I needed to go you know and then I went. Right were you like kind of like I just I'm trying to figure out like what made you keep doing it after overdosing once was it the addiction or?

It was probably mildly the addiction but I'm kind of a person where i can drop stuff probably easier than um the average person just knowing and seeing like what i've seen with people because i could just like walk away from it a little easier yeah i also feel like it was more you know like my partner was doing it at the time and i was like you know like if he's gonna be high i guess i'll be high too high i guess i'll be high too sort of mentality for me yeah um but i mean i'm like i'm definitely and i'm on a better path now and like life is very fruitful and fulfilling um but like like what we were saying about seattle i i loved busking there because um it was it's just so charming and there's like there's pretty good musicians and there's pretty good musicians and there's a pretty good busking etiquette,

like where you sign up on the wall and stuff. And you can just go check out the thrift stores and get a cup of coffee and then come back and play for an hour. And I definitely made a lot more money there than I did most places. And it was just very easy it's like easier on you like new orleans oh lord oh my god god bless your heart

oh my god there's like you can just like feel the voodoo in the air man it's just like i just i can't i just can't with that yeah i can't either like i that's why i know i can't with that city. I can't either. That's why I know I can't live there because I will drink 24 hours a day. It's like I know myself and I can't say no. Is it hard for you to say no? You said no. You said it's easy for you to say no. It's easier for me. I feel like drinking is a little different.

Yeah, same, dude. I don't know, it's just it listens because I'm kind of like, believe it or not, I'm kind of an introvert. I'm an introvert extrovert, which is fucking hard to deal with sometimes. Oh, it's hard to deal with it. Yeah. I'm the same way. It's hard to deal with in your mind and it's hard for people to deal with it. Yeah.

Because like what I'm this is the interview by you. What Why is it hard for you to be in to be an introvert extrovert? Because it's like, that's when you're like, okay, I'll just have a few to loosen up a little bit. Right. And then it's like a downward spiral. Oh, yeah. Then you don't stop. I guess I'll have one more, you know was like, well, I guess I'll have one more. So what made you move from Seattle to New Orleans? Did you just were sick of the weather or sick of, what were you sick of in Seattle that made you keep moving?

Well, after Seattle, I went to New Orleans. And then I fell in love with the city. And actually, wait. Okay okay so i went to seattle but then i went back to nashville i went to nashville for a while yeah and then after nashville i went back to seattle and then i went back to i kept going back and forth all the time but then then at one point i went to new orleans from nashville and i was like i love the city and it like like i have like we like like i was saying earlier we're so powerful like i feel like every time i went to a new city and i bussed um i would just do so well because

i was so high off of the city and like the newness and i would like make like 200 300 city and like the newness and I would like make like 200 $300 just because I was so high from like being in somewhere new. Yeah, it is amazing like when you put out good energy, good energy comes back like you said. It's true like in it. And if you like are pure and genuine with your thoughts like that like I just blows my mind like more people don't talk about this stuff i know and like manifesting is so real and and you know like people make and people make jokes about that's this is how i think about society too like the society that we live in it's

like they make jokes about everything they want you to like joke about like oh like hippies like granola and yogurt yoga but it's like actually that is really good for you exactly it's like it's like society they want to make a joke about it they want to conform you yeah they want to make you think it's a joke yeah and what about growing up did was that was being a musician like a joke in your community um well there wasn't there wasn't there's not much going on with in west virginia there's like a joke in your community? Well, there wasn't, there wasn't, there's not much going on in West Virginia. There's like a few, especially like in Charleston, you know? When it comes to like the music, you know,

you just go downtown and like, what you get was what you get. Although I will say, okay, wait, listen to this. You need to look up my buddy's band, Dinosaur Burbs. Dinosaur Burbs? Yes. Please look. you need to look up my buddy my buddy's band dinosaur burps dinosaur burps yes please look he is amazing and he was in a band is my buddy called his name's brian rude he goes by be rude he's he like does rapping hell yeah honestly i thought he would be famous i'm like i remember seeing him and uh he was in a band called rabble rousers for a while but one of the guys

passed away Sam and but now he's in he's in a band called dinosaur burps and he needs to get like sometimes like I see these people and I see all the potential in them and I'm like I'm like go somewhere where the people are like where it's like where it's like it I saw you like Nashville's like that for me it's like it was like a like a launching like a launching pad for me to be where i am now you know yeah that's what i was gonna ask you like what was your first break was it in new orleans or was it in nashville well you know like every place kind of helped build me to who i am now so like even though like it might not have been the best times at times yeah it helped build me to who i am now so like even though like it might not have been the best times at times yeah it helped

build me to who i am now and help prepare me for the future um and i would say i would say nashville like when i moved here i you know i was living in my van i was staying at my friend's house who lives a block away from me now and i was like i was really sad i was depressed and i only the only thing i had was honky tonk tuesdays i started playing in this honky tonk band doing covers and it was like the only thing i had to look forward to and um i was just like really sad and i i just kept trying to book shows around town um and playing my original stuff and And I just kept trying to book shows around town and playing my original stuff and just trying to get used to being on stage

just because I was so used to performing on the streets. What was making you sad when you first moved to Nashville? Because I just wasn't sure where my life was heading and I was just, you know, I'm just getting older and tomorrow's never promised and I was living in my van and I just knew that um I had more to offer yeah that's god damn that's crazy so you started doing these honky-tonks you started going all the honky-tonks were you already writing original music when you were busking in New

Orleans and Seattle yes yes and what what was coming it? People loved it or did you just, how is that? Yeah. You know, like it was always so funny to me because people be like, you're so good. You're so good. And then like, I would just be like, well, if I'm so good, why is my life like this? No. Yeah. Well, it goes back to how you think, you know?

Exactly. Exactly. It goes back to how you think. And I was playing more shows, so then I was getting more confident, and I was getting more in a better state of mind. Because whenever I'm not playing music for a long period of time, I remember looking back, I get even more sad. I guess I have a hard time expressing my feelings. I don't have a hard time expressing my mind, um i mean i don't have a hard time expressing my mind but when it comes to feelings it can be harder for me and i feel like i channel that with my music i can like i can help express a feeling through a song it might not even be 100 about me

this song but i can reminisce with like the feeling of the song to like actually channel that to express no is it easier to channel those feelings when you're writing about someone else versus when you write about yourself yes yes i think that that's definitely where a place for me what's the most vulnerable song you wrote about yourself um well you know little bird yeah but people don't people don't know that it's about it's about um i don't really talk about this much but i feel like i feel like you know the people need to know let the people know sarah come on well you know it's actually little bird it's like such a happy uplifting song um but it's about deteen it's about like withdrawing oh shit and like and it's about deteen. It's about like withdrawing. Oh shit.

And it's like, what's it about? Like, cause you know, I'd be homeless and I'd be like deteen in the bushes or whatever. And like, I'd hear a little bird singing and stuff around me. And I, you know, and that's like, you're with that song, like little bird now, won't you sing to me? I'll know you'll sing for free. Cause it's like, you know, like being broke. I don't have enough. I don't have any more money to get more drugs. You were withdrawing inside bushes? Yeah. Why?

Did you have no one to go to when you were withdrawing? Well, I mean, it was just like I was a transient person and I was just hitchhiking and riding trains and stuff. So I didn't always have a place to be or the place to go and you know like obviously i'd sleep under bridges that's although it didn't seem like it didn't seem like that that crazy to me because because my mentality is you know every person's mentality is a little different and i'm i've always been good at being a chameleon and like um embracing my surroundings and like you know i grew up i at being a chameleon and like embracing my

surroundings and like you know I grew up I grew up pretty poor too so it's like also my standards are pretty low so that's that's crazy that's I think of you know who are your idols that made you want to just travel by yourself when you're a kid like kerouac and stuff like were you listening to writers what were you who you're listening to well you know it's um for me it's easy for me to get wrapped up in other musicians stories and you know i didn't really like older music as much until my early 20s i didn't really i was pretty sheltered I didn't really know like what good music was for me personally, you know? I was always like listening to the radio and like 90s music like Matchbox 20.

Hell yeah. She's so high, high above me. She's so lovely. You're lovely. Hell yeah. Oh yeah, yeah we're the same age. You're 88. Oh yeah. I'm 33 too. Yeah. That's so fascinating. So it's like, what, so what got you into like this gypsy vagabond life? You're listening to Matchbox 20 and counting crows and shit. And Goo Goo Dolls, baby.

And Goo Goo Dolls, Iris and stuff. Iris makes you stay home, not go travel the world. That's true. That's true. So you just felt free? You felt free when you're on those trains and you're sleeping under the tunnels? Yeah. I was listening to Jimmy Rogers a lot at that point. Yeah, I was listening to Jimmy Rogers a lot at that point.

And he's always fantasizing about and singing about trains and traveling. Yeah, it's romantic. Yeah, I was definitely romanticized by all this stuff. Yeah. But I definitely will say the culture that comes with it, it kind of wore me down eventually. because at the end of the day, we all have our own trauma and it's our duty to heal as people. We have the ability to heal and that's our job. And I feel like that's also one of the main reasons of life

is to just season our soul. Yeah. And it's like that idea of ignorance is bliss. And once we stop being ignorant, we start opening our eyes like, ooh, this is actually a dark place. These trains, these tunnels. Yeah.

It's dark. It's cold. My side hurts. Ouch. My sinuses don't work. I don't know what's going on. No, I bet. So you got to nashville you're bumming out what happened who gave you your first break was it a show was it a producer

or were you just finally writing songs that you know resonated with people um i you know i was i started playing shows like I was saying earlier out besides just like covers and which I love to play covers. Yeah. But I was like, you know, I was trying to put myself out there more and be more vulnerable. I can say this word. Veritable, Veritable. Yeah, you will be more vulnerable. Veritable right now.

Like vertical and vulnerable at the same time it's probably because i'm laying down it's just hard to say but it's all good so yeah you know i get it i started playing out a lot and uh you know gary petroza no uh well he he works for rounder and he's like you you know, their engineer and producer. Yeah. And he just started coming to my shows and he started showing up all the time. And I didn't realize how much of a big fish he was, you know? Yeah.

And then I looked up, he's like, I'm going to get you signed to Rounder. And I'm like, prove it. Bring it. This ain't the first time some dudes tell me he's going to give me a record deal. It's true. it's true it's true right so and then um he pulled through he pulled through it took about a year though you know like yeah he kept like coming to my shows he's like i'm gonna get you signed around her and it was pretty cool because it's like billy got signed around her and then i and then i got

signed or i got signed around her and then billy did which got son or i got signed around her than billy did which he's really cool man i love his music a lot and he's come a long way too yeah i mean even you guys have very similar stories like parallel stories where he he grew up in the trailer park in michigan yeah and uh for him to fight his way through all the everyone on meth and addictions and stuff to just focus his track on what makes tunnel vision into music what got him out of the ghetto as well that's what makes me respect him so much because like i feel like you know we do kind of have similar stories and yeah and here we are you know like we're doing we're doing so well for ourselves and we didn't fall into that you know we didn't fall into that, you know, we didn't fall into that hole. Yeah.

It's I'm gonna clap to both of y'all. Let's fucking go. We got out of it. Let's go. We got out of the ghetto, baby. Let's go straight into the Nashville, straight into East Nashville, hip land. Well, that's great. So you got, you got the deal with Rounder.

How long did it take you to make the record? Well, you know, we... So like January of 2020, we went in for three days at this place called Southern Ground. Right before the quarantine? What is it? Right before the quarantine? What is it? Right before the quarantine?

Yes. Oh my God. Perfect fucking timing, dude. Well, I mean like, but we got to sit with it too long. I felt like we added more stuff, but then like we brought it back down, you know, we're like, okay, it's like, well, we clearly, we were just in a COVID times and we were bored. Clearly we were just bored as fuck. We were just bored as fuck.

We're like, let's just's just let's put a penny whistle on this let's add some gym bass it's like that dewey cox like he has like 60 guys in a band makes a record you don't want none of this doing none of this we're putting a cajon in this um so it took so it took you the process of like overth it. Yeah, I always want to think about that. Music shouldn't be overthought, right? Well, I mean, that's just also the thing with life, I feel like. You know the word entropy? No, tell me about it.

Well, it's like the natural decline of things. But to us, as people, we think that it's more like polishing up things a lot. Yeah. Because in the past, it was funny. I can't remember who was telling me this. Oh, my gosh. It's like whenever they mic drums, they put a mic on every drum. It's like, don't put a mic on every drum,

just put one fucking mic there and then that. Yeah. It's like we overthink things now instead of just being it. Instead of putting up one mic and going for it, it's like they put up a bunch of different mics and then they usually record the backbones and then they're like oh well we don't like this part we're gonna just we're gonna go back and redo this part right but like back back in the day they couldn't do that they're just like well we just have to fucking just

practice all together and like nail this you know yeah totally and you know even thinking about that that meaning it's kind of like, as we get older, we overthink happiness too. Remember, we just be happy about fucking ice cream or a cube of ice. I still get happy about ice cream. I tell ya. But you know what I'm saying? Now we have to think about like,

oh, I like vanilla non-gluten ice cream. I'm just like, it's like, we're overthinking the process of life. And I could totally see that with same with music. Yeah, and also just like, there's just so many different styles to record in like so many different microphones and because you know, there used to only be like one freaking probably style of microphones and like one sort of a couple of different amps and like now like there's just so this it's like too much and like the same with like you know old time music

old time music has turned into bluegrass which is like more polished it's like people that's been sitting with their instruments for a long time and then they just got really good at it you know but isn't that like the and that's what bluegrass wasn't yeah absolutely like that's that's the thing about it it's like it's so wild i don't get that like the reason why it's called old time music because it's why do we need to polish why do we need to polish something that's already beautiful um i feel like people you know just as humans, we get bored too. We're like, it's like, oh, well, this has been going on for a while. Now it's time to bring something else new.

Yeah, but still do the same type of tune. But still do the same type of stuff, but different. I don't understand it. It's like right now, JNCO jeans are in. Oh my God i remember my the backs of my of my jinko jeans were gone non-existent and they just were wet all the time that's like all i can think of right now another 300 a pair um that's just wrong i know but like it's like the same thing. We're trying to rebrand something that was already beautiful.

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Yeah, sponsor. This podcast, sponsor. I'm going to call them. Like, yo yo we talked about jenko send me a pair of pants yeah well i'm glad you brought it back you know like the process of overthinking it and then bringing it back to this raw feeling your what your record brings is i mean thank i'm thankful that you brought it back to the rawness of it because your lyrics are really good and you don't need to hide it, you know?

Thank you. Well, what I think about like with the recording, it's like it's kind of newer, but it also has like a lot of old quality to it because it's like, I guess in a sense, I also want to show off today's style of recording. It's a lot different. And it's also good to realize the times and try to work with the times. Right. Even though I like sounding really older, and it took me a long time to love my voice and embrace it. I thought I sounded like a little fucking chipmunk or something, you know, like,

do you think is that like, just like stuff that's triggering from when you were five when you did sound like a chipmunk? You know, dude, I'm gonna have to pay you for therapy. Just be friends, you don't have to pay. We can talk about this whenever you want. But like, what do you think that's it? Do you think like we still are scarred from our past? I mean, I think that we can heal, but it takes time and it takes a lot of pain

before it gets better, you know? Yeah. But what makes you- Because you have to like relive it. Totally. But what makes you still think you sound like a chipmunk? You definitely don't sound like a chipmunk. Well, it's just like you know like

sometimes i'll listen back to like recordings and i'm like oh god oh god it's like you guys just listen to this and then i'm gonna leave the room and yeah uh i don't really know where that comes from um i guess like in a lot you know when i was younger i could also see myself from where my mom loved me a lot. Like I could see myself being kind of egotistical as a kid and hell today, today, sometimes like I can find myself. I'm like, no, that's not the way to be like, you don't want to do that. Like that's terrible. Cause there's,

there's definitely a fine line between confidence and ego, you know? Totally. Totally. And being a musician is hard enough as it is being an extrovert introvert, because it's like, you need to go up on a stage where people are looking at you expecting something with confidence. But then you also need to remember that, like,

you don't let it get to your head, but just also still be in that state of mind that you're going to go out there and communicate and say words and sing songs. And it's just, it's a never ending battle. You know, it's just like. Yeah. It's like an insecure narcissist. Yeah.

An insecure narcissist. Oh my God. Yes. Because like, you know, like we don't want to blame our parents because we wouldn't have the confidence to get on stage every day as an introvert. It's true. So it's kind of like a double-edged sword. Like, fuck. I'm thankful that I'm an introvert because I'd probably be dead.

But I'm also bummed about it because it freaks me out to be out there. Yeah. but i'm also bummed about it because it freaks me out to be out there yeah so what uh excuse me what is what do you do to like train your brain to think like i'm just these are just traumas from the past um you know i've been i've been embracing meditation a lot more and which is really hard for me because i i just have an add mind you know yeah same um but you know a lot of times i'll put on like the guided meditation so then there's like something there to help bridge the gap instead of me just with myself right so then they're kind of like telling you what to do in a way and then you can like it's easier to kind of get into that headspace. Keep going.

Go ahead. I interrupted you. No, it's okay. Is it hard to get there? It's definitely hard to get there and I'm still learning every day, you know. Right. It's like a muscle. You have to keep working it out for it to get buff, you know?

Yeah, fuck yeah. That's the thing about therapy too. Like people are afraid to go to therapy because, you know, they don't think that their brain is no different than, you know, the muscles on their arms or their legs or their cardio, you know? It's like we need to fight that stigma that we need to heal and we need help with sometimes the thoughts of detangling our brain.

Do you ever take psychedelics like mushrooms or LSD? I love psychedelics. Hell yeah, me too, sister. Did you take, did you microdose anything to help you get through the depression of living by yourself on the road? Yeah. Um, yeah, you know, like, uh, I, I microdose these days.

Like I like, I, you know, I'll eat a little bit of mushrooms and, um, I, you know, I always try to keep it minimal. I don't try to like overdo it because unless I really feel it, unless I'm like party, but like, but like party but like but like but like most of the time like when i'm just like chilling you know i'll just like eat like one little chocolate or like and just like the the colors are brighter the taste are tastier your mind's a little more rewired to accepting the world yeah also also like um i i highly recommend people to experiment with special k maybe with that ketamine yeah yeah yeah i heard that's good for ptsd yeah it's like i feel like it has helped with my depression extremely a lot you know like it's uh you know don't overdo it

everything in moderation you know of course um what did you go to those uh ketamine like uh not retreats but like at a doctor's office where they put on like dark lights and have no i'm not against going to a quote-unquote professional but um yeah i i know i've i just always kind of just did it at my house i was just like um i'm not trying to encourage people to do drugs but like no but it's the stigma that hallucinogens and you know things like ketamine that can't help us is bullshit because it can it it's it's a way to rewire your brain to thinking that, you know,

whatever you're thinking is just another, Oh, you, your brain starts thinking a different way and you have to like, kind of like fight with it. Like, okay, yeah,

that is a different way. It's like, kind of like having a conversation with somebody and not just waiting to over talk over whatever argument they have, you know, you're actually allows you to allows you to hear yourself out a little bit. Yeah, absolutely. Have you ever written any songs on ketamine or mushrooms? I mean, I wouldn't put it past me, but I also highly recommend DMT.

Yeah, I fuck with DMT. We're really getting no chance hey friend um yeah i like dmt too when i you know i started dabbling during the quarantine and it really calmed my brain down what did you see did you blast off no billy always talks about him seeing aliens and i'm like i did not see no aliens i i i remember seeing like fractal things but it was also i i saw that how present i could be if that makes any sense it just makes you super present in the moment you're laughing with your friends or you're deep in you know staring at a leaf or some you know what i'm saying you got to do it again you got your you need to do more that's the thing too is like you like i found that like i've done it a

few times and like there was nothing happened you know yeah but you need that person you need that person to be like keep going keep going because you want to stop because you feel sweaty and you're just like oh you feel gross and you're just like oh you don't you want to stop but then you have to you need someone to be like keep going keep hitting it keep hitting it so as an introvert is it is it hard to do those type of drugs with people yes absolutely yeah it's got to be whenever i do mushrooms i'm like i'm like bye i'm out be alone but i just like get naked and start dancing around the house, like alone. Yeah, like, bye.

Bye. My inner self is calling again. Hello, hello, it's your inner self. Hello, Sierra, it's Sierra. Oh, hey, Sierra, how you doing? Please get the fuck out of this house and go somewhere by yourself. Yeah.

Oh, well, that's great. I mean, dude, that's why we need to stop the stigma that hallucinogens are bad I mean that's just like such boomer talk well that's just like another control thing like our government has a huge control issue and they need they need a therapist yeah

dude that's a song you better write that down girl you better that is a tune dude I know're we've already been an hour and i know you got shit to do um this has been fun it doesn't even feel like an hour i know i come to nashville a lot let's go have a coffee i don't know if you drink or anything maybe have a beer or something next time yeah all right fuck yeah um i got a couple more questions for you so through all these all the overdoses

and seeing maybe it's heaven, maybe it's hell maybe it's a different being maybe it's neighboring maybe it's neighboring let's fucking go maybe it's neighboring as you're getting older and now more and more into, you know, being an adult,

what did you learn from all the near-death experiences that'll make you grow moving forward in your life? Well, it definitely made me want to quit it you know and i'm like it helped push me in the right direction to be like maybe i'm not doing the right thing right and uh and the fact that i like i just i never died all the way like i came back and i was like what i've seen what i saw like that one time in particular it's just it was like really eye-opening and it it comforted me because life can be so lonely and we can get wrapped up in that and because like you know we're in our heads where we have our own thoughts and it's easy for us to like make up stories and like go with it but like that person never said that you know right and um damn it's it's like we believe all the lies in our heads it's true like it's like

we we are our own worst enemy at times and it's like whenever we if we can realize that and like just move forward and um just do better you know right fuck s, you are a bad motherfucker. I am thankful. Thank you for your time. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And I'm just, I'm glad my friends introduced me to you because you're, yeah, you're everything I thought you'd be. So thank you so much for being part of the show. I got one last question. I'll let you go. When it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? and I'll let you go. When it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? What I want to be remembered by is, you know, I've been on this kick collaborating with as many people as possible. And I have like some really good collabs

that are about to come out and I'm excited. I don't really want to spoil it yet. Don't tell anyone. But you know, I just want to be, I just, I don't know, I want to spoil it yet don't tell anyone but you know i just want to be i just i don't know i want to be remembered in songs i just want people to because you know like just like with old time old time is like there's festivals you can go to and like these songs are literally hundreds of years old and it's like a lot a lot of times like today like we hear there's like a song of the summer you know and it's like it's like poppy and it's cute or whatever and you can remember it but like in my opinion i feel like

a lot of modern music it's not going to be we're not going to remember it 100 years from now yeah why is that you think um i don't know maybe we just get bored or we're just like in that direction as a human species to where we our attention spans are very short you know yeah and and in the past i feel like we you know we didn't have as many distractions so we held on to things more because then it was also easier for people to pass away from stuff and you know life expectancy wasn't as long right so like things had a lot more meaning then um i just i don't know i just like i want to that's why i kind of write the way i do because i feel like it has a lot of the essence of the old stuff and i kind of like i just like want you know uh hopefully one day like my brother's

kids kids kids will like know my songs and like sing them yeah that's beautiful yeah I agree I'm the same way me but like you know go sorry one more thing going into that though it's like we remember all the substance in our life you know when we were kids all that stuff that was really heavy really thoughtful really hard on us I feel like we could still have that even with an add culture we just have to write substance yeah absolutely and i think you're doing it doing the best i can out here giving 110 yeah you will you keep trying girlfriend you're gonna make it you'll make it big you'll make it very well i wish i had a southern accent i'm from l.a suburbs dude i can know nothing about this tell you what sister you're

gonna kill it out there tell you what hey sister you're gonna kill it out there sierra thanks for being on the show and hopefully we could cross pass soon um i go to nashville all the time i know um or maybe we'll catch each other at a festival or something dude hit me up hit me up next time you're in town we'll get coffee we'll have we'll get dinner or something yeah i mean i'll shoot you a message on the instagram i'll throw you my digits and uh let's uh yeah let's be friends i feel like we're really simpatico on the way we grew up and how we envisioned what our lives were going to be as a kid versus what we're doing now. So fuck yeah. Keep going.

Thank you for having me on your show. You're awesome. You're awesome too, Sierra. I appreciate that. Yeah. All right, Sierra. Have a great day. You too.

Bye. I'm gross. Yeah. I'm gross? Yeah. I'm gross? You are calling me gross? I've seen you eat pizza that's been sitting out for two days. I've seen you eat a sandwich off the goddamn counter with no wrapper. The things your feet have been in and seen.

Was that foot fetish thing real? Yes. The thing about where it's pouring chocolate on it and all that voicemail yes 100 someone's trying to give you money trying to give me money to go on only fans who is that only fans do you know them though the person no emailing me they've been emailing me and emailing me and i finally gave him my number i'm like all right how close are you doing it i'm at 80%. Because you're going to make a lot of money. I know.

But also, do you want to... I don't want to be... It seems kind of desperate. You already have six ways you get money from people. I don't need... But it's not about making money. People just really love my feet. I get it, which is fucking...

I don't know. I don't want to kink shame. Actually, my kink is shaming other people's kinks, so I'm going to shame this kink. So you can't... No, we got one of our homie Joey. She's got a foot fetish, and she loves

the podcast. She comments all over the podcast. It's just like, if you're going to be into feet, maybe some people like gross feet, I guess. Maybe that's a thing. No, just people like feet in general. I'm not here to judge. I was thinking of it with jill jill we're gonna get jill on it too only fans feet we're gonna try to make some money our society is crumbling from the inside i give it two election cycles before america looks nothing like it does this is how people are making money now i mean they're selling pictures their feet they're starting colds they're

sounds better than working in a factory they're minting energy yeah but at some point we're gonna have to need people to make so we can live you're right you know the economy is a thing well that's a made-up thing it's the real and it's based on things the 20s are all about mental health so if 20s oh i was gonna say i mean the 2020s the 20s are are instead of roaring 20s, oh, I was gonna say, I mean the 2020, the 20s are, are instead of roaring 20s, it's find yourself 20s. Okay. Is that cliche? Maybe you need to find yourself a job. All right.

Goodbye, Nick. Thank you for everything. Thank you for everything. And guys, I want to do a little pump up speech. I can't do the eye of the tiger anymore because we're copy. We can,

we got copyright i heard a crazy story about that song the other day but i'm not going to tell it don't tell it we're going to get that guy on this podcast the guy wrote it yeah guys we're gonna have a great week whatever's going on in your life don't worry about it too much i know there's fucking worse things going on fucking russia and ukraine and what else is going on? Oh. In Texas, someone like... Yeah, they're trying to make it so no one's allowed to be gay. What the fuck is wrong with people? Florida has something where it's like

if you tell your teacher you're gay, she has to tell your parent. I think that actually got struck down. What the fuck is wrong with people? Don't let all these outside sources affect the person you want to be. Be whoever you want to be. Love your life. Love yourself again because this is bullshit. Don't let anyone whoever you want to be. Love your life. Love yourself again

because this is bullshit. Don't let anyone else tell you you can't love your life just because you think differently than other people. Fuck them. Fuck that and fuck the noise.

You got this shit. Stay powerful. We'll see you next week. We can play this one. Thank you for being a friend. Thank you for being a friend. Thank you for being a friend, America. We're going to be in the top charts when you comment and rate. I like this one so gas.

It's my butt right here. We love you. All right, we're out of here. All right, we're out of here. We're going to leave. Oh, we had a nice loose music. I liked it. Oh, you're getting up there. I'm getting there.

Thank you for being a friend. I can't sing that high. All right, goodbye, guys. Bye. Bye, Paul. Enjoy the tour. Enjoy the tour without us. Paul, enjoy your new life.

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