Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 163: Round 2 w/ G. Love

Episode Date: March 15, 2022

REDEMPTION! Can Nick & Nick bring balance to the force? Andy prepares for a trip to Puerto Rico. Will we lose him forever to the hypnotic siren's call of warmer waters? More importantly, we welcome G. Love back to the show for a 2nd round of probing questions!  Get your voyeur kicks in now by watching this episode via youtube.  Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Wash, Rinse, Repeat" on iTunes, Spotify  Listen to some good tunes at philadelphonic.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: The U.N. Nick MacDaniels Arno Bakker

Hey guys, it's Andy. How you doing? Hope you're just ready to fuck shit up this Tuesday. Just blowing loads all over the week. Let's go. Men and women just blow loads everywhere. But this isn't about coming. I don't want to talk about coming at the right beginning of the show. Actually, I kind of did, but whatever. This new song, I have a new song. It's a world premiere of another song off our new record, Wash, Rinse, Repeat, that comes out in April.

It's coming up in one month, under a month. Shit. That's crazy to me. Another record under our belt. But this song's called Grow Old. Eric Krasnow produced it. I wrote it with him and my homegirl, Daniel Katzer. I love this tune.

It really, it's a different side of me that I don't really show as much because as I got older through this quarantine, I'm getting more in tune with my feelings instead of just suppressing it with fucking booze and shit. So I wrote this song called Grow Old and it's about just

nourishing love and not giving up on it right when the going gets tough. So Chris, play the trumpets, baby, or the flutes. This is a world premiere of my band, Andy Frasco and the UN, and the song is called Grow Old. Hope you enjoy it. Every day can feel the same.

But I know I'm starting to change. So many ways to kill the pain. Maybe this time I won't run away. I took it slow to find what I want. When it's good and you know it, you gotta hold on. Let our love grow old. Let our love grow old. When the fire starts to fade.

When our heads are turning gray Let our love grow Let our love grow Maybe your pants don't fit the same I'm gonna love you anyway Lock my doors, won't let you in Maybe I was ashamed of the man I've been Here I am with a few more braids

I'm just trying to dance with a little more grace Let our love grow Just trying to dance with a little more grace. Let our love grow. Let our love grow. When the fire starts to fade. When our heads are turning gray. Let our love grow. Let our love grow.

Maybe your pants don't fit the same I'm gonna love you anyway Let our love grow old Let our love grow old When the fire starts to fade When our hands are turning grey Let our love grow Let our love grow Maybe your pants don't fit the same I'm gonna love you anyway

Let our love grow Let our love grow When the fire starts to fade Let our love grow old Maybe your pants don't fit the same Let our love grow old what's wrong with you right now

ho Andy wasted all his energy looking at socks online today for half an hour and we're back Andy Frasco's World's Favorite Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. This is Nick Gerlach. And here we are. The day before I leave for Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico! The rich port. The rich port? That's what it means, right? In Spanish? I have no idea. I don't know what Rico means, actually. How you doing, Nick? I'm fine. I'm doing great. I'm doing fine what Rico means, actually. How you doing, Nick? I'm fine.

I'm doing great. I'm doing fine. You having a good day? I've been making fun of you for the last 25 minutes. I know. I have to get it out so I don't do it on the podcast. That's good. You and Todd Glass is ripping me this morning.

Well, you deserve it. Some days. Sometimes you just try to have a conversation with Andy. He's looking at socks online. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Laker jerseys.

Yeah. Like, come on, man. And then you have a tattoo about being president. We were talking earlier about everybody's like the dumbest tattoo they have. Yeah. And Bo's was a sublime tattoo. And yours is one. It's like, what's it from?

A quote from what? It's just like a quote from like some emo band like be here now or you don't know the name of the man the moment i forgot what it says la kids don't waste a moment 75 and sunny every day shut the fuck up i got this in tulsa well you're still from la breathe it'll It'll all work out. This too shall pass. Hard times come. Hard times go. Okay.

I like that. It says come. We got G-Love on the show. I got sauce. Yeah, I'm stoked. This is a good interview. That's why I want to make this short and sweet because it's a long interview and I don't want to cut it because he's fucking smart.

Why are you getting mad at me? What did I do here? Nothing. What are you going to do for two weeks without me? God sauce. I don't know. I'm kind of pissed. I don't like when you go on vacations.

Why? Get to work. I mean, I work every goddamn day. Your whole life is a vacation. My whole life is not a vacation. It's hard work. I run four different businesses. I run an Airbnb thing. Boss bitch over here. That takes a lot of work. I run four different businesses. I run an Airbnb thing.

Boss bitch over here. That takes a lot of work. Yep. You have a pyramid scheme. I mean a dance party. A dance party? Fuck you, Nick. I do the dance party.

That doesn't take a lot of work. You're a very hard worker. Then the podcast takes all my work. And Motivational Monday. You got to motivate people every Mondayational Monday You gotta motivate people every Monday And then I gotta drink I'm just fucking with you man It's fine that you're going on vacation

Two weeks is a long time I'm regretting going for two weeks Especially after just going to Phoenix with all your dude friends And then you're going on a vacation with more dude friends This is a lot of dude I don't like all dude outings I don't know what to do anymore When you date someone like you can't flirt with girls anymore okay so you gotta go hang out dudes you can i know that's one of the worst things about being in a relationship is you have

to hang out with dudes because if you hang out with a bunch of girls and then someone's gonna get jealous i guess it depends both are just your buddies. I love it. I have girl friends. Me too. I have tons. Yeah. I like them more than my dude friends sometimes. We went over that.

They're way better. Yeah. They're just more sensitive. I could talk to them about some shit. They're funnier, actually. They are funnier. It's weird that there's way more men. And they're dirtier. Women are dirty.

It's a different kind of dirty, I think. When I was in high school, did you guys ever, like the girls and the boys ever do pranks on each other? No. No? Like at their houses or like egg their house or TP their house? Oh, yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah, just fun shit or fork their thing.

Like the dudes would do like some like just like normal shit, like put a bunch of plastic forks on there or like tp like murder their dad or murder yeah these these girls were in bags and putting it on my parents doorstep and what did you do to them no they thought that that was funny it was hilarious oh yeah that's so funny i thought i thought it was kind of gross, but I also thought respect. Respect? Yeah. It's little to no effort to shit in a bag. A little shit in a bag is an easier cleanup than TP and fucking eggs. I never actually vandalized anyone's home growing up. I thought it was dumb.

I thought egging was fucked up. Like my neighbor egged my house. Your neighbor did it? My neighbor who lives right next to me, he's kind of an asshole. Yeah, kind of. Sounds like it. He kind of an asshole. Yeah, kind of. Sounds like it. Yeah, he's always an asshole. Like, shit, turn your fucking party down.

Like, it's 7 p.m., bro. Oh, this guy? Yeah, this guy right here who lives right next to me. He egged your house? Yeah, he egged the back of my house. What? Yeah, you didn't know this? What the fucking, what?

How do you, first of all, how do you know it was him? Because he throws cigarette buds into my backyard. Okay. And I know the exact cigarette because I don't smoke those fucking SF, those bullshits. I don't know what he smokes, but okay. And then he was like, well, he also like is, there's like, there's drama on the street from, he was, the old owners had to put a restraining order on him. You did?

I didn't know the old owners or the, had to put a restraining order on him. You did? No, the old owners had to put a restraining order on that dude. On your neighbor that's crazy? On the neighbor that's crazy. So this guy is like a running thing with this. It's a running thing. How old is he? I don't put up with it. He's 45.

I mean, he must do well. It's weird when a crazy person can also do well enough to afford a house in this neighborhood. Maybe he's lived here for 30 years. Still? No. What's he? Why does he get lived here for 30 years. Still? Yeah. What's he... Why does he get mad?

Because you have the parties? Yeah, but I don't have that many... No, he gets mad because of that Airbnb and probably everyone goes outside. But get over yourself. Well, I mean, don't live in a fucking city. The neighbor is changing. The neighborhood is changing.

Also, move to the fucking suburbs if you want to be able to pitch. We're in the city. Shut the fuck up. Is there an HOA here? Let me live. No, it's a private they can't do shit. There's no HOA in the neighborhood? No. I hate HOAs. Well, yeah. That's why I left Kansas City because I don't even rent and I don't even

own and I hate HOAs. They're just piss me off. Yeah, they're just annoying. HOAs, like, what do they really fucking do? Nothing. It's just a fucking scam. It's another pyramid scheme. It's another pyramid scheme. We're all just going to be selling merch. My theory is that everyone in 20 years, the only way people are going to make money

is there's going to be some people that work in the gulags making the t-shirts. We're all just going to have our own website and our own brand, and we're all just going to be selling merch. Isn't that what we're doing now? But it's going to be even worse. It's not going to be just entertainers. It's going to have our own website and our own brand and we're all just going to be selling merch isn't that what we're doing now that's but it's going to be even worse it's not going to be just entertainers it's going to be like everybody you know remember when like uh networks like it'd be like there's only a certain amount of shows you could watch you know there's only like 20 shows

on tv yeah before now everyone has their channel everyone i mean it's crazy everyone has their own facebook yeah tiktok you don't need tiktok's way bigger than cbs way bigger that's what i talked to g love about he's he's setting up all these nfts and he's really excited about it yeah and his he says they're doing what's he making nfts of he's like doing he did an nft tour poster which i thought was really creative he's doing some nft for music like his actual mus. He's doing some NFT for music. He's doing NFTs for characters. He started with characters and he's just building on the idea and building on the idea.

He talks about it in the interview. It's pretty fascinating. I've been reading a lot about that stuff lately. I think that's the future too. Of course it is. Your house deed is probably going to be an NFT. It's much more secure than the current version. Oh, my house deed? I think everything like that because the decentralization of it on the blockchain,

the security is way better than any other. How are central banking going to allow that? They're not. They're going to buy into it and just kind of make money off it too. Yeah. They'll find it out and the government will probably regulate it a little bit,

probably too much, and then it'll probably make it not as good as it was going to be, but it'll still be better than what we have now. Yeah. Oh, we were watching the South Park post-COveted movie yeah i watched that it's funny where that guy's always pitching nft butters is now nft and it's like he's the villain yeah because he's like oh he's like manipulating people to buy nfts i i really believe in all that technology and stuff my only thing thing with NFTs and crypto is some of the people I trust the least in my life are the ones pumping it the most. Well, they're just the first ones to jump on it.

I know. That's why I'm not saying that the actual thing is bad. I'm just saying some of the people pushing it are bad. It's like, okay, dude. You're ruining the brand. You know what I mean? Yeah. But G loves doing it, and it's different. Not everyone that's yeah but she loves doing it and it's like a

different everyone that's doing it and in the beginning it was like him and mike brownie they're doing it in a different way they're they're actually trying to create art and like make something out of it for themselves and like actually have like a thing i'm talking about the people are just like flipping nfts to make money oh yeah and flipping it that's a bitcoin yeah my home art my homies are you know jeremy Jeremy Sulkin. He had to buy big gigantic dot whatever, and someone already bought it and he had to buy it off somebody like the username. Oh, and the theory on blockchain or whatever. That's awesome. We didn't have to do that. Right. No one bought it. No one gives a fuck. We bought it for

like 10 bucks. They reserve that for more like, you know, famous celebrities. We got Nick still here. I don't know what Nick... $18,000. Nick said he prepared a motivational speech. He wants the redemption. We'll see about that.

He's been here for three weeks with his shirt off the whole time. Hey, Nick, come over here. We're getting loose today, baby. We got a star guest. Nick McDaniels is still at the Frasco house. What's up, dog? Before we leave, before Nick goes back to North Carolina,

I think he wants redemption. He said, I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving Denver unless I get redemption for a motivational speech. So Nick, I need you in the mood. Sit down, Nick. I'm in the mood. I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's go. All right, I need you in the mood. Sit down. I'm in the mood. I'm ready. I'm

ready. Let's go. All right. I'm turning off the music cause I'm not letting you control the situation. These dudes put me on the spot last time, making me give some sort of ridiculous motivational speech and now I'm ready. All right. All right, America. So, uh, you know, sometimes when you fuck up, you got to learn from your mistakes. And, you know, I bombed my speech last week, but here I am getting my redemption. So, you know, life is an art form. And, you know, what is art? Is something too much, too little, or just right? And that's how we should live our lives.

And, you know, it's in everything we do. It's in how we treat each other, how we talk to each other, how we treat ourselves, how we dress, how we eat, how we go about our day. And, you know, we just got to embrace that mentality of

being an artist with our lives. And that's what I got for you. So here we go. Fucking mic drop, baby. Let's go. Unbelievable. Here's why I disagree. I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Nick, thank you for coming to Colorado. Nick, thank you for... It's a fun loose one. What a fun loose one. Do you love Up Next? Let's play more celebrity networks.

We don't have to record it. I just want to play. Okay. Guys, I love you. We should do Repsy though. We didn't didn't do the reps yet if i don't make it out of puerto rico nick is now the co-host of andy frasco bro it'll be me and nick double nicks all right i'll go you want to do a reps ad yeah nick one last one come on you're this is a redemption tour this is the whole let's talk about repsy for a second let's talk about let's talk about it you know they're just this great little company you don't have a booking

agent you need you need a gig uh you got a special talent hit up repsy they will book you a gig and if you already have a booking agent it costs you nothing let's go let's go and also let's go nick hello let's go what about the game bang on this nick what about the other side of it? If you're not in a band, who else can sign up for Repsy? Comedians, magicians, self-help speakers. The other side. What do you mean? Venues.

We can do a little business-to-business, too. Let the venue sign up for Repsy.com. Commercial integration. Wedding planners, sign up for Repsy.com. You can vertically integrate. Sign up for Repsy can vertically integrate integrate sign up to reps.com synergy you need you know as a tour manager he's a he's a he's energy just now he just turned tour managers for everybody now so he can sign up for reps.com yeah yeah he's probably

gonna be looking for any kind of gig you can get now that he doesn't care about you anymore all right we're out of here enjoy g love i'm going on a two-week vacation. Must be nice to have fucking options in your life, Bo. I'm not jealous. Maybe I'll do a podcast from Puerto Rico, but we do have an interview. People are going to be mad if I'm not on the podcast. Well, they better fucking get with it because two weeks left.

All right. They're going to hate it. I'm going on vacation. It's not because they're not going to like it. All right, I'm out of here. They're just not going to like it. I'm leaving my own fucking house. Get out of here vacation They're not going to like it I'm leaving my own fucking house They're not going to like it that much It's going to be not as good I'm not even looking at the camera

Puerto Rico, here I come Alright, next up on the interview hour We have our dude G-Love. Hey, Chris, play G-Love a little bit while I pimp him out a little bit. We got the juice. We got the love. Jared's an amazing artist. He's innovative in how he thinks, how he runs his business.

He's just a smart dude and I love him because he's got the hustle. It inspires me to keep it going. So ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy my dude for the second time. This was a great interview. He came over the house and we got a video of it. He's just the best. He showed up an hour early because

his clock wasn't on. It was awesome. Please give it up for G-Love. My man shows up early. Early bird special. Early bird special. G-Love and Frasco. So I'm coming over in the Uber, and of course I i'm and of course i'm running late and so i'm like

i'm supposed to be here at nine and i say yo andy i'm i'm sorry i'm running late i'm in the uber though uh but i'll be there at uh 9 15. he goes what you're an hour away i was like no i'm nine minutes away he's like it's eight o'clock my phone never reset man what the that's never happened i could have been sleeping right now oh my god is it hard for you to sleep in it is right now we have like a two under two so yeah but no i i used to i could actually it's funny we got back on the tour bus now and uh man i fell right back into sleeping in in late you i don't know about you but i love my little bunky boo yeah and i'll stay in the bunk i try and stay in as long as i can yeah sometimes up to 12 hours really yeah man we got rest of vocals i know i feel it are you still like getting out there and

like going late nights and having late night parties or late night bars you're just like don't have time for that i i i mean i was just thinking about this morning so lame like yeah i don't do no i don't do i don't do any of that anymore really yeah it's gotta be hard man because like it would be fun but i mean no i mean you know like i was thinking about this morning because i used to spend so much time, well, not time, but when I was single and only had one kid, I was just much more about every chance I got going to New York City or Miami or L.A. or Chicago. And if I had a couple days off and no kids, just go party for a couple days

and really get after it. And I was just thinking this morning, I was like, wow, man. And my wife and I, too, we used to party all the party all the time i was like man we don't do we're happy man do you feel more content do you feel like you're not chasing anything yeah i do i was never very good at like clubbing anyhow i kind of always just be like why isn't anybody talking with me or how did all these people talk so much i'd never feel i feel like i don't have anything to say, but I was like,

oh yeah, that's Adderall and cocaine, man. But you know, cocaine, like it would just kind of make me, uh, not talk too much anyhow.

So, yeah. Or I would really get going. Oh yeah. What was that? I remember a time where you were really getting going. Well, you just like talking,

well, we're going to do, we're going to do brunch tomorrow. Right. So it'll be there at what? 10 a.m. 11 a.m. And then we're going to do this. Uh, you know, we're going to do brunch tomorrow, right? So be there at what? 10 AM, 11 AM. And then we're going to do this plan. We were talking about all these cocaine plans.

Yeah. Whatever we're going to- We're going to make a record. We're going to make a record. We're going to do a brunch. Okay. After that, we're going to go, we got to get some exercise. We got to start this business. We're doing it all tomorrow. Oh man, cocaine dreams. That should be the name of our duet album. to start this business. We're doing it all tomorrow. Cocaine dreams. That should be the name of our duet album.

Cocaine dreams, baby. How's the tournament? You feel good being back in the bus? You feel like it's you feel like you're finally back into your normal routine? Or is it been a weird adjustments in quarantine? It's been it's funny how easy it's been to like i think the hardest thing for me was actually like leaving you know the time from for me and uh kelsey and the kids like uh the time just leading up to tour right and uh you know that was kind of really emotional for me like you know because i've been with like i said we had two kids under two and i have a five-year-old.

So the COVID thing was awesome in a way. I got to be with my family and watch my kids every day, which us musicians don't really get to have that a lot. So it really kind of made me reassess like my life to the point where I'm just like, well, I don't want to leave my family anymore. Like that's, this is bringing me so much joy and just to be here for my kids. So I was like, I don't want to go on tour. I mean, I've been touring nonstop for, you know, over 25 years. I'm like, I don't, I don't want to tour. So that was the hardest thing was actually just like leading up.

And then finally, you know, the day came, you know, a lot of tears get on, you know, go to the airport, fly, a lot of tears, get on, you know, go to the airport, fly, get on the bus. Okay. Boom. Game on. And now we're back. It's like, okay.

It's always hard to the first couple of days to adjust into this other life that we have because we basically live two lives. Yeah. And like, I don't, that's how I am too. I'm like, I'm pushing, I'm pulling like fucking like fuck i don't want to do these shows or like you know but right when you get in there oh yeah this is what i was born to do because it's like um you know i always think about it like you you literally like when you're backstage whatever and that's why a lot of musicians get really weird right before the hit

yeah it's because it's like you're you're throwing yourself off a cliff in a way yeah and you're like you know or you're diving you know into this abyss or you're about to shoot off in a rocket whatever it is you're taking off and like you you know you're throwing yourself into this situation which is being on stage and then it's like whoa but you you have to fully go go there it's like dropping in on a huge wave or something you have to fully commit and you go there you know i mean so it's like it takes a lot right to like jump off the ledge sometimes it takes more than others yeah you talk about that ledge let's talk about that ledge with like forcing yourself to have fucking three kids. That's just biology, man.

That's just like, that just happened. Whoops. It's like Britney Spears. Whoops, I did it again. Yeah, but that's just biology. I mean, that's my wife and I. I mean, we're not good at planning. And we even fuck it up with our dogs.

Like, we have, you know, we have these mini Australian Labradoodles. So my wife's crazy. So when we had our first kid, Lewis was, like, you know, three months old, and she comes home with a puppy. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, you have a baby, so now you want a puppy to take care of? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And then, yeah, so then we, and then, what the is wrong with you and then uh and then yeah

so then we and then of course covet hit and then she got she got blueberry it was our stud and then she decided she's gonna do a side hustle breeding these labradoodles and so she comes home with buttercup another puppy and i'm like who the has three dogs we have two kids on her two and then the dogs um you know they're not neutered or fixed so they're to breed so that's their day too they're it's like a doggy porno and they're i mean it's disgusting like these dogs like they've tied for like two weeks straight and you know actually the last puppy just went out the door yeah like today the day before i left. Oh, my God.

Did you make some dough on it? She did. Yeah? You're not seeing that money. No. We were in Boston yesterday and walking around before she drove me to the airport. And she's like, I got to go to Chanel. I'm like, all right, cool.

I got the babies. She's like, these sandals are super in right now. And she's trying on these chanel like they're like look like um you know what are those um hippie sandals oh yeah yeah yeah berkenstocks oh they're like they have chanel berkenstocks well they kind of look like that kind of are like teva berkenstocks but they're like 1500 bucks he's like i'm deaf i'm getting this is like what you're like you $1,500 flip-flops? I guess you know what you do to your shoes. And then, of course, I felt bad.

But if you ever go shopping with your wife or your girlfriend or your partner or whatever, they always like to ask you about it in front of the salesperson. These are $1,500 on you. What do you think? Well, I think you're fucking crazy, but I'm not going to say that in front of salesperson. You're trying to embarrass me. You know, like, you know, everybody goes through this shit. So like, so don't go shopping with your, with your better half. Yeah. What God, that is, that's insane. Is there pressure for you to make a lot of money?

Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, I think I put a lot of pressure on myself. You know, yeah, I mean, I think so. Like, you know, you want to have, which is so ironic to me, because, like, the whole start of, like, making music for me as, like, a kid was I don't want to have a job. Yeah. I don't want money. I job yeah i don't want money i don't need money i'm just going to have rice and beans mac and cheese and cans of tuna fish with raw onion ramen noodles

and playing my guitar and that's all i want to do and then so quickly you know you start grinding over the years and then you see some people you know that were basically just right next to you and there's like rat race of a music industry and they're just like you know like dave matthews or something just like they used to all of a sudden you see like a guy who's like you know just use dave matthews amazing guy like one day he's next to you in catering and you know you're opening up for him at the horde tour the next the next you know five years pass by and you're opening up for him at the Horde Tour. The next five years pass by and you reconnect and he's flying home on a private jet after the show and he's like a billionaire.

You're like, well, I'm doing pretty good, but like, God damn, like there's, yeah. So then you get in that thing like, well, so-and-so's selling this many tickets. It's a rat race, dude. It is. And especially now with the social media and stuff, it's like every day you look at your feed and you're like,

oh, shit. I don't even know Billy Strings really, but like, wow, this kid's fucking blowing up. He must be making so much loot or just whoever. But again, it's not about the money. It's not about the music. It's about the fucking money. There he is.

There's our Philly boy. There's our Philly boy. No, it's not about the money it's it's not about the music it's about the fucking money there he is there's our philly boy there's our philly boy no it's not about the it's not about the money it's about it is about the music and you know you can't necessarily like you know my my my um thing is like all right john lee hooker and i always use justin timberlake as an example they're both amazing artists right yeah justin timberlake sold a example they're both amazing artists right justin timberlake sold a shit ton more records and made a shit ton more money than john lee hooker but are you going to tell me that justin timberlake's a greater artist than john lee hooker yeah it's true yeah i mean so um well it's like kind of money yeah money but sorry money's just like it's it's a funny thing because right the more you have the more you want. You're never going to find happiness and satisfaction in the quest for money.

And actually Snoop Dogg, he had it on his Instagram the other day or something. Even though he's always doing all this shit. He's making money every day. But he's like, yo, never show up to anything I'm doing for any other reason than like than having fun i'm doing it because it's fun and it puts everything into it yeah and he makes a ton of money yeah so that's the way you have to approach it well i'll clap to that let's go let's go but you know it's like you say like it is true but it also also fuels us to have work ethic. We could talk about, yeah, it's all about having fun and music,

but a little bit of seeing other people get successful kind of fuels me to keep popping. True. Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure. It's got to be. And especially, I think about Young G. You're talking about just playing the music.

Now you're seeing older Junior at Chanel store. Well, no, I've been going to Chanel store for a while, bro. I mean, actually, I was talking to Kelsey, my wife, yesterday. I said, damn, if I would have, it's kind of a risky thing to bring up, but I was like, if I would have, I wish I had all that fucking Chanel shit I bought and all this bags and shit and jewelry I bought for like my ex-girlfriends, those fuckers. Like I wish I could just give it to my wife.

You know what I mean? Like what a waste of fucking money, man. I know. Oh, it's so funny. I mean, it's like we got, it's like we got to survive. And especially as our tastes grow, our, you know, it's like, I never thought I'd, I thought I'd be living in a van my whole life. You've got a fucking sweet ass condo in fucking Denver.

I got a pad. You did it, man. I did it. I'll clap to myself. Let's go. Let's go. We're driving. We're working.

We're running this train. Come on. Let's go, dude. Fuck it. I want to, you know, let's, let's talk about like, kind of like, I want to talk about the relationship you built with your fans through doing these parties that you use. You did all these cool parties during the quarantine. The Soulbacues. The Soulbacues. Tell me like, what, why did you decide to do that? Did, was Pincus saying, what are you doing? Or did he, I totally agree with it. Like, give us, Pincus is your age, people don't know. And he's a handful.

And so, you know, you don't have to say it. I'll say it. Clap, clap. Let's clap for Pincus. Making that money for G. Let's go. Let's go.

Get back in the office. Get back in the office. What did you learn about your fans and how much they love you? Well, I mean, on a serious note, when covet hit like you know our whole industry was the pretty much the first to shut down and the last to open up so and again coming back to your point about like pressure to make money you know my wife's pregnant we just have a baby we have a five-year-old we live in cape cod like we're rich

yeah okay like there's even if we're not as rich as dave matthews we're rich yeah you're making this is i mean we've been we work we work you know but i mean you know just you know but i say that jokingly but at the same time it's like you know there's you know everybody you know the pressure to make money right you have to provide for your family so that you can continue to shop at whole foods yeah you know what i mean yeah buy that organic banana baby no but i mean no but seriously so like yeah that was just like uh uh look covet hit and it was like fucking survival mode and it was like you know what can we do well i started doing the live streams and then we said

well let's and i always try to i do try to you know give back can we do? Well, I started doing the live streams. And then we said, well, let's, and I always try to, I do try to, you know, give back to the community. So doing live streams, giving half the dough to the local crews at venues that we play all around the country. So we were able to raise some money for local crews. So that was good. And then, you know, someone asked us to do a show. Can you do an in-person show? And we're like, oh my God, you know, like thinking back on this,, a show. Can you do an in-person show? And we're like, Oh my God,

you know, like thinking back on this, it's, it's also the whole pandemic is awful silly in a lot of ways, how paranoid everybody was. Yeah. But you know, we can debate about that in our time,

but the long story short is we're like, Oh, should we do it? Should we do it? Okay. Yeah. We went over to these nice people's house and played a graduation party for the immediate family,

like eight family members. Wow. And I was like, well, okay, we can can do this so then we started doing it and yeah i mean there was no um input from you know management or agency or anything like that because they were everybody was checked out i was just trying to like survive and like figure it out so yeah we started playing backyard parties it was amazing like our fans wanted to party we did it excuse me safely and like by whatever state regulations you know how many people could gather outside social distance blah blah and we just started showing up in people's backyards fucking love it those bows uh bows put me on the artist program and they gave you the pa and stuff yeah well first i got one for artist price and then they gave me the upgrade one for

free. And then we did like a piece with them on the worldwide web. And, and we, yeah, we jammed it. So we, I don't know.

We probably did, I don't know, 50 parties and we're still doing like, you know, give it to them. Yeah. I got to give it to them. Gee,

making lemonade, like your record, dude. We, we. Bro, we jump in the back. We bought a pre-owned, certified pre-owned 2019 Suburban. Hell yeah. That fit. The PA, our piece of luggage, four acoustic guitars, two boxes of merch, and all our family, fucking dogs. You brought the whole family every day.

We did the West Coast. We did the East Coast twice, Florida and Mississippi. We made a record. The party is funded, making a Christmas record, funded making my new record, Philadelphia, Mississippi, which is coming out in June. I can't wait for that. Yeah, so it was our lifeline.

So again, and we were talking before we started with the cameos. We did this thing right before COVID hit? Yeah, it was like three weeks into COVID. Okay, and yeah, so we did a podcast the first time. Oh yeah, right before, yeah, yeah. And then you told me about cameo and then so you you refer i use your referral code let's go yeah let's go and then i and then i referred michael fronty keller williams not the real estate guy

and um and uh i think devin allman robert randolph, Citizen Cope, who didn't really end up doing too many. I bet he got hundreds of them. Oh, he would have got so paid. But yeah, and actually right now I'm doing all my cameos for this 10 days are going to support the relief for the people of Ukraine. That's great, man. So, you know, yeah.

Did you guys grow up with that crew randolph like all those guys did you guys like grow together well cope not no long story short no like but actually yes but i didn't know it but cope's first like kind of real show uh and when he because i don't know you know but but cope was dj for um this band called bass head which was a dc area-based alternative hip-hop group that was came out probably 91 yeah um kind of like when disposable heroes of hypocrisy michael franti's hip-hop act was around um so he was DJ with that. So he had tour open for the Beastie Boys on their whole European tour.

But then he came back and did the Cope thing, which he supported with ticket scalping, like scalping Redskins and Washington Wizards games, stuff like that. He supported it by selling tickets? Yeah, yeah. He's got a crazy story. Yeah, you got to hook me up with him.

But long story short is that his first show as Cope was opening up for G-Love and Jasper and the Prodigal Sons at the 930 Club in D.C. I don't even remember. Yeah. Because, you know, I was just a kid. But, like, but Sony has, then we reconnected on the Rombello, or connected on the Rombello cruise. We, you know, the cruise is a great you know we were we were our our cabins were next door to each other so we ended up hanging out a lot that week and we really became good friends so we've been tightening robert and i've been um we just started

i met robert backstage at when watch when north mississippi all-stars were opening for a panic a jazz fest one year, Robert was a little standoffish, but I think he quickly realized that I was like a party guy. And so he started hitting me up, and we would go out in New York and stuff like that. So we would just go party for like a couple years before we ever played like one lick together. And then he saw me inside the stage at the Langerado Festival in Floridaida in front of this huge car he's like yo come out here so he's that if you if you ever going to if you're a musician and you don't want to go on stage don't stand on the side of robert's stage i love that though he's so open to like just like get every bring the circus in here you know that's that's amazing so

like you're telling me about you know you're on the previous podcast we were talking about your life growing up in like philly and stuff and whatnot what's the difference what was the difference between living in philly and living in boston oh yeah like white people yeah oh i bet dude like white people yeah oh i bet dude yeah i mean philadelphia is like a really integrated city and it was really cool you know i grew up downtown i grew up in a nice neighborhood um you know in philly you'd say like if you walk if you walk one direction for too long you might end up where you you know you might not want to be yeah and that doesn't that that goes for everybody you know i mean and um so it was like really you know neighborhoods yeah you know black neighborhood puerto rican neighborhood irish neighborhood italian

neighborhood polish neighborhood you know gay neighborhood yeah every everything was all these neighborhoods and um i moved to boston and um i was like whoa this is segregated yeah because like it was just all white people and i don't and and then it seemed to me like the more ethnic uh communities the black community the latino communities they were kind of like really pushed out of the city center and you wouldn't really see. Yeah, whatever. Long story short, I felt like it was not a very integrated city. And I had a kind of a problem with that

and I really felt like the rhythm of the city was weird to me. And I also had this thing. I said, it must have gone back to colonial times. It was so fucking cold in Boston that people would walk down the street. Well, they wouldn't have time to talk to each other because they're too cold. You know what I mean? And they were very polite, like you'd be passing a joint.

And my rapping partner was this kid named Jasper from Augusta, Georgia. And he was a Rasta. He was a rapper. like a really powerful guy. But he was also a really funny guy. And we always, because he's from the South and I'm from Philly, we always thought it was fun.

We'd smoke a joint with people, and then you'd hand a joint to someone, and they'd go, I'm all set. We're like, what? What does that mean? Like, take this joint. What happened with Jasper? what does that mean like take this joint like what happened with jasper um he uh he he he we signed with epic records um he was on my record he had an amazing band uh jasmine the prodigal sons and uh they made an amazing record called everything is everything and um were they on

epic too they they got signed to Geffen. Oh, fuck. So they got a real... They got the big boy label. Yeah, Wendy Goldberg, who signed The Roots, Snow, that rapper, and a ton of... I mean, she's a huge A&R person. She signed Jasper. They got into it.

The story was that... Because Jasper was a very religious guy. And I guess they got into it over the album art. Jasper of this painting that was you know had a lot of religious connotations right and she said famously um i thought i was dealing with a cool black artist not a religious freak at which point like their relationship kind of ended and unfortunately for him he got, you know, we're both in this music business and this is a tough thing to kind of get kicked out of

or walk away from. For a lot of people, if you've ever seen people try to get back to like real life. And it's a real struggle. It's like a real thing. Like, you know, for anybody, even if you're a roadie or you're a guitar tech or you're a road manager, this is a different lifestyle.

And once you leave it, I think a lot of people have a tough time getting back to real life or a real career. And I think that was always a struggle for him. Did he pass away? No, no. He's in Augusta, and he's doing more like a comedy kind of musical performance but um yeah we kind of drifted apart I mean we're still brother we talk but uh was it hard at first yeah no when he left yeah no it was what was it like well it wasn't like he left it was just like he lost his deal

and then he went broke and I was I was give him money uh you, loan him money or kind of, cause I, to me, he was like the second coming of Bob Marley. Like his, if you take the time and go back and pull that record up on YouTube, I mean, his lyrics and his writing,

and he's one of the greatest songwriters I've, I've worked with and one of the most original songwriters. So, it must've been hard to lose your yeah writing songs with him or yeah well yeah when we continue to accused he's on a lot of like we wrote a lot of my songs peace love happiness thanks and praise Parasite this ain't living from the first record and there's a lot of material that I've that we've collaborated on yeah and a lot of strong material and like um but yeah I mean you know I was. But yeah, I mean, you know,

I was flowing them to keep them going. And, you know, my parents, like, my team was like, what the fuck are you doing? And, you know, whatever. It just went on for a long time. And it was just, yeah. Do you feel like he was appreciative of it or no?

Well, I mean, I'm sure he was. But, you know you know he he you know i love him and i love his music and and i always want the best for him and eventually as a friend i had to uh kind of just kind of walk away yeah because we're talking about like you know 15 years later and now like i have a family and there's nothing I can't do anything. Like I can't, I can't do anything. Like, you know, you're in the music business. Like even if someone comes to me right now, like an old friend, they're like, you know, help me put this record out.

What the fuck can I do? No one buys my records. Like what do you think I can do? Like, yeah, you're right. You have to like go play shows. Like there's no like. There's no hand me out. And there's no like rocket success like there was in the 90s where you could have a great song and a great record and you know what

i'm saying yeah with that let's talk about that so like the the philosophy of like developing a band in the 90s is so much it's changed so much in the in the 20s you know like roaring 20s the roaring the roaring. Yeah. It's not, it's a, it's not a really a roar. It's a who are you still here? How hard is it to keep a career going? Oh yeah. Yeah, that's exactly it. It's like blowing dust, like cobwebs. But it's true. You know, how hard is it to keep a career going? Gee, You've been doing this for like 30 years? Yeah, I mean, you know, for some people it's, you know, yeah, I mean, again, it comes down to, it comes down to the money again, you know, you want to, you need to sell a lot

of tickets to make a lot of money. And if do that then you can bring more production you can uh build a studio at your house or own a difference there's just it's money like this happens because and then that propels you know more but the heart of it is always like it comes down to music and the performance so i think that you have to work harder and harder you know be more diligent to like you know just make sure you're putting on quality shows. And not quality is kind of the real word. It's like quality bread. No, but inspired, connected, emotionally connected quality shows that take people to a space that they want to be at.

That's where they're coming to your show. How hard is it to get there in your head? I mean, I was thinking about it this morning honestly. It was like, even though like, it's funny that my relationship with music, how it always changes over the years, but like, I'm at a point right now where like,

I think of it, the getting on stage part is just like, oh, this is fun. Like, fuck it. What the fuck do we have to lose at this point? Let's go have fun. getting on stage part is like, oh, this is fun. Like, fuck it. What the fuck do we have to lose at this point? Let's go have fun. And I do. And like, yeah,

just get out and like fucking let it rip and just feel loose and have a great time. Do you ever stress out when there's like not a big crowd there? That's the thing that COVID taught you like right away. Like they're going to be doing a show

in your living room table. You guess there could be hundreds of thousands of people out there but i don't know like at the end of it i'm like you know drunk alone oh my god when i was like you're like sitting there alone like you close your laptop it's like yeah like sad clump yeah i'd be like be like, yeah, I do those dance parties. I was doing those dance parties on COVID. And sometimes like my headphones would fall off and all of a sudden it's a pitched silent room. I'm like, oh yeah, this is sad as fuck.

Oh, it's crazy. Yeah, but so like, and then, you know, playing for like showing up in someone's backyard you know like and setting up your like i've probably been doing this for 25 years it's been a long time since i like set up my shit yeah or like setting up a backyard or like owned a pa i haven't owned a pa since 1993 i haven't needed to i've been playing a fucking film war you know what the fuck like what the like hey bows can i get an artist price on this two thousand dollar pa i can't afford this they're

like well we'll give it to you for 1950 bucks like okay we'll take it honey can we afford this like it's crazy yeah so like you know it just it was humbling was it an ego check what i think it was an ego it was like it was humbling and it's an ego check? I think it was an ego check. It was humbling, and it was also really refreshing. Like, wow, this is cool. Fucking, I got my work gloves on. I'm fucking setting up the PA. I feel like a fucking man again. Blue-collar fucking musician.

There he is. We're here. My boy. What was the weirdest? You ever had, what was the weirdest? Give me the weirdest picnic gig. Yeah, so there was, Kelsey's like, I don't know what's going on with this client.

There's only two people. And she's like, I've told them that they can bring up to 20 people and they should bring her friends. It'll be fun. They said, they keep saying they don't want to do it. They just want to have the two of them. So we show up and yeah, so just a couple

and they just want to trip. They just had got back together and they just want to take mushrooms and get us completely fucked up. And we did like they and my dog got fucked up, too, because they put a head. They gave me like right when we got there, I'm loading into PA like here's a cookie. I'm like, sweet. I'll have it later. You know, I put the little peanut butter weed cookie on my stand and then fucking Blueberry eats the cookie. Like the whole fucking thing.

He's like tripping the whole night, running like running around in the walls and shitty like hurt himself. Your dog? Yeah, my dog. In someone else's house? In someone's house. And then, yeah, like we were just, yeah,

we were, we just got completely wasted and they were tripping and it was awesome. Yeah, it was great. It went from being like, this is going to be super weird to being like, wow, we played a three-hour set for two people. And they loved it. We were obviously into it. Were they clapping?

We would have stopped after an hour or something if we weren't. Yeah, it was amazing. You were doing some dope shit. I remember seeing you one time on the beach and people were making paella and shit. What was that vibe? Well, that's my brother-in-law's Spanish. So him and my best friend Adrian, they started the Paella Brothers. So they do a side hustle where they come to the house and do the...

This is local, like on Cape Cod or whatever. But yeah, they come set up and do paellas while while i was playing so sick so we did yeah we offered that as part of the soul with you you can book the paella brothers do you love in the pyre did you get a lot of gigs in cave cod like do you feel like that's your community do you feel like you're home there or yeah it's crazy man like um yeah like um it's such an awesome community and uh it's just such a wonderful place and yeah we we i we just fell in love with it and um we've got it's it's crazy we just have more friends now than we than we've had like than i've had like my whole adult life since like high school which is really nice. Did you miss that for part of your life? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like the 10, like from 2004 to 2014, kind of living in Boston to be there with my older son. And of course I got to go out and make the scene. Like all the musicians know who I am, but I didn't have like, you know, but like, hey Andy, let's go get a sandwich. Yeah, exactly. I didn't have like that kind of like homies.

So it was a little lonely, but you know, all good but like yeah but this is great i got like yeah i got best friend and my new best friend yeah yeah that's great what's his name his name's adrian and you know he's got a big family too and whatever man we just hang out we grow weed together and you know it's like that's awesome you know it's like you're like a kid again like it's it's fun yeah people talk about like getting older and how it's scary to get older but if you like accept the change and like adjust to whatever's gonna happen i mean i guess it's just being present yeah you know it's like it's kind of like i'm like so into work but now that i kind of am building roots in Denver, I enjoy it so much better. I didn't think I'd enjoy roots.

Right. Like how'd you adjust to roots? Because like there's a couple of things I want to talk about here. We'll talk about that. The other thing I want to talk about a little bit, but like how'd you adjust to roots and like having roots? Because you've always been a guy who's just floated and gigged and you're just like such a workhorse your whole life. How did you finally just stop and say you know i need roots yeah i mean i think uh just you know when uh when kelsey and i like yeah yeah i don't so i had adan's my older son and so he was born in 2001 and and then that was like first of all like a super focus like

you know i think you spent a lot of like your 20s or whatever like you know who am i what's life all about and then and you have a kid you're like oh here's what's about you gotta take here's the fucking kid okay it's like it brought me like a lot of focus you know for my career everything like you know hustle and then uh you know but i also was like it was that was also weird too i was like wow you know i never wanted to go out or like stuff like that and then i had a kid and i was like no i can't go out and i was like i'm going out yeah so when i didn't have aiden and he and his mom his mom and i had broke up i just started partying. So like I said,

I would go to New York and I was chasing, you know, always chasing girls and running around and making this scene which is cool and,

you know, whatever, like, that was just kind of vapid in a lot of ways, but. How old were you when you guys got divorced?

Yeah, like mid, you know, what, like 30? Yeah, so you were in your prime. Your band's killing it. You're fucking just fucking killing it. Yeah, just ready to rage. And like put everything into my career and partying and taking care of my kid.

And that's what I did. And then eventually like, you know, Kelsey, my wife, we started getting more serious. Then she got pregnant and I was still kicking and screaming. I was like, oh, hell no. No, no, no. Yeah. And then I just fell in love with my family.

Yeah. And it was just simple as that. And it was like I started meditating. I had been through a terrible breakup with my ex-fiancee, just really mentally and emotionally not in a good place so you got a divorce and then you had a you married someone well no i never was married to aiden's mom but we it was we split yeah and uh and then i was engaged later um that didn't work out that really like destroyed me and then kind of kelsey then my I mean Lewis who's now five like

yeah Kelsey ended up just being a wonderful partner and uh you know just a fan like I said I fell in love with my family and then we have more babies now and and then yeah and then finding so it was like kind of Cape Cod community, meditation, Lewis, a stable, supportive partner, and Kelsey, and then also just growing up. And now the things that were important to me aren't as important to me. Things that I was kind of running away from are everything to me.

Yeah. I'm a family man. Yeah, I love it. That's what it is. I'll clap to that. Let's go, let's go. I love it. Happy wife, happy life. You know, I'm lucky man. Get the it is. I'll clap to that. Let's go. I love it. Happy wife, happy life.

You know, I'm lucky. Get the Chanel shoes. Go get a bear, baby. You don't need to use the puppy money. I'm buying. I'm using that bluebird money tonight, baby. Do you feel like you have to... No, they want a reduction.

Yeah. And I'm not talking about the sauce. Well, I am. The juice. We might have to go to Chanel Outlet, baby. Do you feel like you have to get, not in your head, do you feel like you have to give more attention to your younger kids because you felt like you didn't give enough attention to Aiden?

Well, that's, no. I mean, because I feel like I gave everything I had to Aiden always. And like we had such an awesome time. It's so different because I had him for like a week and a weekend a month. And I couldn't always be free for that much time, but I was a lot. And it would always be the two of us. You know what I mean? And that was, so we had, what we had together when he was growing up was

was really intense so um but yeah like just to be what i wasn't able to give him was like every moment that i have so now like and i told kelsey like when she got pregnant i was like well i'm not waking up and i'm not doing this and i'm not flying home from tour and I'm not going to be getting up to put the kids to school. Like how you did last time. Yeah, and I'm like, I can't do that now. And of course I am. I'm up. I'm up.

I'm the one who's up. I'm flying home every fucking day off like a crazy person. And, you know, I couldn't be happier. Like I'm waking up. The baby's up all night. Fucking then the two-year-old garrett starts waking up and then then i gotta really get up because i gotta get lewis junior yeah i gotta get up and get get lewis to on the school bus and i love it man it's like you're like this is so great i mean

yeah i mean you get burnt out from all the traveling i mean we're just starting again so yeah all the traveling i mean we're just starting again so yeah i mean sorry i like traveling yeah i mean i guess you know it's like there's something about being on a plane yeah it doesn't matter if it's a domestic or international it just kind of wears you out in a weird way yeah you have to be careful of that yeah so like do you get to feel like you're like taking the time with your young ones because you're in your head from the travel, you know, like how hard is it? Like,

all right, travel's done. Let me, yeah. Yeah. Well, I always say like the minute, you know how it is like traveling kind of sucks maybe,

or sometimes it's really nice, but, um, but the reality is when you get there, you're there. Yeah. And whether that's like on vacation or to your gig or whatever or to your family all the travel goes away and you get to enjoy your kids yeah and even if that's for

just a couple hours for dinner and then bedtime and then put him on the school bus and get back on the plane yeah it's worth it it's worth it it's worth it for them just to make that connection and yeah and then there's also FaceTime is awesome. How do you fucking deal with being on a regional airport, living by a regional airport? It's got to be hard. I yell at Floyd all the time because he shows me all his expenses. Oh, because he's coming from Nantucket.

He's coming from Nantucket. What the fuck? And we have to fly him to like fucking D'Chipsi and shit. It's like he needs two fucking airports. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you guys, where do you fly into to like fucking to kipsy and it's like you need two airports yeah yeah yeah is it is do you guys where where's the where do you fly into well yeah yeah so that yeah when i live in boston in back bay nine minutes to the airport yeah now it's two hours you know hour and a half with no traffic and it could be you know two and a half hours if there was traffic luckily you know us musicians are living opposite

lives from the majority of the community right when people are coming home from work we're going to work yeah yeah and so that's good for us on traffic yeah i'm saying but um just that's a long travel day just to like no i know wake up and take the kids to school and then go back on the take a two-hour drive that's commitment man yeah man. Yeah, it is. But yeah, but again, you know, that's what feels right. And yeah, I mean, so we're just trying to figure it out right now. But yeah, I do think that, honestly, I'm reassessing. This tour we're on right now is our three-month winter tour, which we've been doing this run my whole career.

We always do a U.S run every year we used to do it in the spring or the fall but then that became too competitive yeah and we've you know been doing it for longer so we're not like the hottest in the bowl um so now we're like I will start doing in January because no one wants a tour in January so we started doing a January through March run well Well, that's still pretty competitive now. Everything's competitive now. But yeah, so long story short is that I might get more into doing like weekend warrior shit.

Like, you know, maybe trying to do some less shows, but you know. Yeah, there's no point playing on a Tuesday anymore. Well, also too, it's like, you know, why don't we fly to chicago and play you know madison chicago and minneapolis and then fly home and then next week we're going to go to denver and play denver fort collins you know aspen and vale and then fly home yeah you know i mean so there's different ways to do it or i feel like that's what fans are do like you know once you get to a point

that's what you do now that's what i'm doing flying you get to a point that's what you do now that's what I'm doing I'm flying weekends I'm doing weekends until October oh really and I'm kind of nervous I don't know what to do with my hands you're going to be first class every time

the more you travel the better your status gets so then it becomes easier it's certainly easier when you're in business class and you have a delay. Make it easy. You've got to earn that shit. Let's go. I'm going to clap

for you all day, G. You are the man. Give me good advice, dog. Oh, man. All right. So let's talk about the new record coming out in June. What are you talking about in this record? What's going on? The record philadelphia mississippi so you know i'm from philly there's a small city in mississippi philadelphia mississippi i've always just that's always been cool to me yeah and uh so i and then you know i've spent my whole life musical life as a student of the blues. And so right now we're just thinking like, whatever.

I always wanted to go to Mississippi and record a record called Philadelphia, Mississippi. Hold on. Where'd you record it? Muscle Shore? No. So we recorded it with Luther Dickinson at Zebra Ranch. Yeah, he produced it.

So there's a couple of stories. One is that Luther's father, Jim, who passed, rest in peace, Jim. When did that happen? This happened some like 10 years ago. But he produced my second record. And Luther and Cody and I have known each other since we were kids, since they were like stealing shit out of my rider at the Daisy Theater in Memphis, you know, when they were like, I think Luther and I

were the same age, but whatever. So like, we've been friends since we were kids. We've always talked about trying to do something. So, you know, we got a gig playing with the Allman Betts band at this small festival in Mississippi. So Chuck and I, we're going to, you going to him and his son and his rig and me and my family and my rig we're going to go to Mississippi and play this show and the juice is going to fly down but we're going to play Solbacue's down to it and then we got a week off

between the last Solbacue and the festival we're going to go in the studio and I'm trying to figure out where we're going to go and then I hit Luther up and the rest was history. And everybody was off the road. He has such a tremendous network of like the blue of the hill country, blues men and women.

And so, you know, he, he reached out to people and then I've met a lot of up and coming emerging blues artists on the rhythm, the legendary rhythm and blues cruise and uh through my work with kebmo and so everybody was available because no one's on the road so we had um this great people came in um kristen kingfish oh ingram came through he's sick he's sick john tavius willis who just was on tour with us Came through He plays the acoustic Piedmont Blues These are young guys

Cam Kimbrough Who's Junior Kimbrough's Grandson came Sade Thomas Who's Othar Turner The blues Hill Country Fife

Blues player His granddaughter came This old timer Named R.L. Boyce came Alvin old timer named RL Boyce came. Alvin Youngblood Hart came, who used to be an OK label mate with me in the day. And Trenton Ayers, the lead guitar player from Cedric Burnside's band,

came through. And then we took the record home and we got some rappers on it we got school ed from philly we got freddie fox from new york and speech from arrested development yeah and then actually i'm on his i'm on his record because of that and so anyhow this amazing thing so it's this amazing collaborative record and drops in june and actually it's dropping as an nft too on the yellow heart yeah I'm not formed we're going to talk about that too um I just played with the rest development last weekend oh dope dude their show right it is so strong oh yeah the show is yeah I did not expect

that at all yeah so the the lead guy speech he's he's OG yeah he's been in rest of us that's him yeah yeah oh my God he looks so young I legit thought like the only person He's been in Arrested Development? Well, that's him Yeah Oh my God, he looks so young I legit thought the only person who's still in Arrested Development was the DJ But he is, he kills it Yeah And they're doing like a 30-year reunion tour right now Yeah, it's unbelievable That was a real huge moment in my life

I'll never forget, I was driving my car in second Between second and and um between second and front and pine and i was listening to philadelphia's hip-hop station power 99 fm and that song their first single called tennessee came on arrested development and i almost crashed my car because he was sing rapping yeah and i was like holy this is i And I was like, holy, this is, I was, I was like alone. And I was like, oh my God,

what is this? Yeah. And I'm freaking out. And it changed my life and really kind of like was such a huge inspiration in that record. What,

three years, two months, and four days. And that's how long it took them to make the record or for when he finished it to when they got it out. Like he had it in the,

that record in the can. He used to sell it, CDs and tapes out of the back of his trunk yeah and um but yeah i mean he's he's a tremendous artist what a work ethic yeah what a what a like inspiring he's just like a the sweetest guy and we we tour with them so we toured with them in the in like 95 in europe we supported them like when they were like huge oh yeah they were huge yeah and speech had i'll never forget because he had like the sprinter van with a studio in it like they had a tour bus for the band but he had a sprinter van with his three so he's a workaholic oh yeah always been like that that's good to know yeah oh my god okay so do you feel

like uh now you're like recording with all these young blues cats that you're becoming the og when you used to be the young cat recording with all these you know inspiring people yeah i mean i i do feel like it's funny because like i always felt like the kid because i was kind of like in my generation like if if you think about my generation was like you know ben harper and michael fronty and dave matthews like that was kind of my class right and i was kind of the kid and um and then over the years of course like all these other kids come up and then you're old yeah no but like yeah but like kingfish and then like to like without a doubt oh dude wants you on the record without a doubt they just said yes let's ride no i mean not necessarily wasn't that some people yeah i mean some people was like that some people yeah i mean

some people was like that but i think you know what's funny is that i think most people will do anything you ask right if you i mean how many people do you hit up and say even people you don't know and say do you want to come do my podcast like how many no's do you get yeah not a lot not a lot like you know i mean people hit me on instagram just like regular people like will you be on my record? Well, you know, I'm going to charge them. But if anybody hits me up that's like an artist, you know, what am I going to say?

No. Yeah. No, I always say yes. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. So like, you know, when anybody asks me to be on their record, so I was like, yeah, of course. What do you think the state of blues music is in 2022 do you feel like we're in good shape i think it's really cool like to see this emerge like yeah like to see this younger generation of people like kingfish

marcus john tavius marcus king playing this just um and even you know billy strings is like a second generational like bluegrass guy like his grandfather right it was a guitar excuse me but to see these younger cats like embracing this kind of heritage music and pushing it forward and just keeping it you know keep keeping the dream alive guys you know carry the torch but like no but but it's not even that but is this a culture like with the blues like cultural um and it's really cool because, wow, you wonder for a while, was blues just going to be only played by white people? No, was it only going to be played by white people? Because there's no undercurrent of African-American community

that's pushing the blues. blues like african-american music you know is is has that blues is now hip-hop and r&b and has been for a while and and that's what that culture you know that's what the african-american culture is by and large so i think you know kind of like whatever you know like looking at this from like a historical perspective or whatever you know black music is always pushing forward yeah and it's always like you know the historians people going well this you know this blue this word holding on to but i think as a cultural momentum uh black music is always pushing forward not not really looking back. But now it's cool to see that there are some young men and women that are actually looking back, taking it, really learning the authentic shit and pushing it forward and playing it.

Because John Tavis Wills, who's a dear friend, and we've been touring a lot and doing a lot together the last bunch of years. Dude, I'm just blown away. touring a lot and doing a lot together the last bunch of years dude like he like he i can't i'm just blown away like he first of all he'll he'll play guitar all night long he just loves to play it's such a it's his passion yeah and he'll sit on the bus and just jam and uh man like i'm i'm listening to him play and I'm like wow like you know like it is like listening to like you know Big Bill Brunzi or Lightning Hopkins like just walked on your boss like that's how real it is and how old is he he's 20 I don't

know 26 or something like that but this is you know it's one thing if I learn how to play a Lightning Hopkins tune you know it's another thing if he does because that's you know like look like, look, just straight up. This is culture. This is his culture. This is his people. I'm appropriating it. His people have created it.

Yeah. Do you think rock and roll is dying? Have you seen the Andy Brasco in the UN show? I'll clap to that. I'm like, we're keeping it alive. I'm looking at the clips. I'm like, are they going to play? Do they play a song?

All the clips are just me just going. It's amazing. I'm like, wow, this is so unbelievable, what you're doing and the culture that you built. It's so off the wall. like it's unbelievable you had a record called lemonade too right yeah i did yeah so like what's your fascination with lemonade well i got i got my lemonade and i got my um it's a video podcast now let's see it bud my ink man my lemonade uh tattoo do you feel like life is about just figuring, just making anything out of lemonade?

I just always used to make a pitcher of lemonade and practice on the porch. Yeah. And I always thought of lemonade as a classic, you know, country time. Tastes like good old-fashioned lemonade. I fucking love it. I fucking love it. So I was like, yo, when I get a record deal, I'm going to get lemonade tattooed on my arm.

Man, you've had an amazing career. You've been in this industry since you were 19, right? 18? Yeah. But it's funny because we were in Philly making this record, and Jeff, my drummer, Jeff Clemons, it was so funny because we both kind of disappeared during the day, and we both came. We were staying at my mom's, and and we both came we're staying at my mom's and came back and sit in my mom's kitchen table and kind of

looking into her like i will what's up nothing what's up nothing well what'd you do today nothing all right i got a tattoo me too we both got like tattoos so i got this and then he's like the ultra Jew. He got the Star of David on his groin. Oh my God. It's like letting the ladies know what they're about to get into. So yeah, it's funny, man. I love it, man. Man, gee, thanks for being here, bro. Thank you, man. It's fuck always. I always have a great time when you're here and i'm just so excited that

um we're friends now before you before i go away can we just talk about the nfts real quick oh yes let's do it yeah that was the first thing i want to talk okay first give me an education of what an nft is and why i should get in the game and let's talk about what you're doing to change the nft game all right so the nft is the non-fungible token. Yeah. So it's basically, if we think about dumbing down, you know,

web three and crypto technology, you can think of crypto technology in the blockchain as software. Okay. You can also think of it as the new internet. Yeah. Okay. So that's kind of like the gist of it. So what are NFTs specifically? Well, right now they're kind of collectibles like if you collected comic books or baseball cards at

a kid or you're an art collector as an adult or whatever you collect beer caps or fucking rolexes yeah these are all collectibles that you collect them because you love them. And you also have this thing like, well, they're going to go up in money. Yeah. You know what I mean? So my Spider-Man with the black, you know, first time seeing the black, you know, outfit, spider costume. Yeah. When that came out, like that's worth, you know, 40 bucks now.

Yeah. I got that oh sick so like this is what nfts are so you're hoping that you're going to buy something you're going to buy the new andy frasco avatar yeah i'm going to buy it because i love andy yeah but i'm also buying it because dude everybody loves andy and this is going to sell out yeah and with the hair the only quality you only have a certain you only could buy it's going to sell out. Yeah. And with the hair. You only have a certain, you only could buy a certain. It's going to go up in value. It's like a share. Yeah.

Well, no, no, no. Well, so there's all different ways to do it. And then in music, so then now let's talk about more like serious applications like ticketing, for instance. Right now, like I think all music and sports ticketing is going to go to NFTs. Well, why? why well for one thing if you bought the ticket it has an nft you can't just sell it outside of the venue yeah right so but you could transfer the nft but every time nft gets transferred the original owner or producer gets paid again so if that so if it's a record and your record's nft and people sell it then you continue to get royalties on it

oh so that's like a trade yeah and so then there's also it's also an authentication if you have a Rolex or a comic book that's valuable instead of or you have a Banksy print that when you get a Banksy print you get a paper certificate of authenticity authenticity you know i'm saying like now that's going to be on the blockchain and that'll be forever and again every time you sell it the original owner gets paid on it right yeah so i you're doing the nft with all the juice characters so we did an nft called uh juice gang and people can mint that at nft.philadelphonic.com and that's like so the other thing you're doing nft is like building a community um and so that's that's what people

talk about a lot it's like this is a new community right so this is um and people are really passionate about it so it's and they get behind all these projects you know um so anyways um can you do with like unreleased music or like music from like your old records you could do anything you could do and and nft for every like you could say like you know your show at the film or tonight is going to be released as an nft and it's just maybe there's 10 copies of it but only 10 people are going to own that live recording of your of antifresco and at the um at the film war there's just infinite applications but actually i have so i have a drop tomorrow well this is probably coming out after the drop but we're doing um what could be maybe the first nft tour poster so i teamed up with this artist hembo henning who's a

illustrator and tattoo artist out of new york and so we we're doing uh the g love and the juice tour poster which is like an animated tour poster that has a snippet of music from the new record philadelphia mississippi in it we're doing four editions of 99. um so yeah so so so yeah long story short that is it's that is such a good idea yeah well there's so many different things and then so yeah you why would you want to get into it well it's a new marketplace it's to make money and uh it's it's a new outlet to find a creative situation it on for artists it's it's it's kind of a rebound after you know the pirating age yeah digital technology we don't get no one makes any money off streaming no um no one buys records so how do we make money? Well, if you're not touring, then you're not making money, really. So this is kind of giving, hopefully, recording artists

and just artists in general a way to maintain ownership of their projects and get paid like they should get paid for the creative work that they do. The NFT tour poster. And that's going to go for the month. Every week, in addition of 99. After that, we get through this tour, we're going to go for the month, every week, addition of 99. After that, we get through this tour, we're going to do the G Love Master Reels.

So I actually physically have a storage unit in Philly full of fucking my Master Reels from like a bunch of my records. So we've pulled like 50 dope Master Reels of the two inch analog tape that have, you know, if you care about our music then they have the songs that are on the records like the multiple takes or different takes

of different songs outtakes and we're going to sell them so each each each box of the take is going to be you know visually shot in a cool digital way but then whoever owns the nft whoever purchases the nft will get the actual physical reel okay so you could have physical too you could you could attach it up oh sick okay that's what i was kind of like confused you can't you can't so you could like for instance i mean i'm just saying you could do it with anything man you could sell your can I sell this podcast interviews to nfts yes you should be you should be like every podcast should be an nft and maybe that's just a one of one but like someone owns the

podcast owns this podcast yeah and yeah and then yeah and then you would get paid every time they transfer it that's a brilliant idea that is i love that idea yeah you'll be on it you'll be on it oh yeah it's going down all right i know you got to go actually i'm good i was i was early so you were early i'm like but yeah we should yeah we'll cut it out um thank you gee i know you're busy i know you're you got it you're busier than me bro you have no you have 10 kids now. No, but that's different. You're fucking hustling, bro. I may respect. Thank you, bro.

Actually, let me just... You were fucking crushing it during COVID. You crushed it. You fucking... You're crushing it. Thanks, man. You work your ass off. You're funny. You're a ass off. You're funny.

You're a real artist. You're a great fucking singer. Thanks, man. You can really sing. Thanks, dude. I appreciate it. I think, yeah. Let's do a tune together.

We should. Yeah. Okay. And then let's write. We should write, too. We should. That's fucking awesome. And yeah, I mean, so yeah.

So keep doing what you're doing. You're an inspiration to all of us. Likewise. And yeah, big mean, so yeah, so keep doing what you're doing. You're an inspiration to all of us. Likewise. Yeah, big shots out to all the Andy Frasco listeners out there. Yeah, G-Love. And much love. Round two with G-Love. Thank you for being on this show.

Anytime you're in town, I want to come visit you in your Lord of the Flies situation over there at Cape Cod. Get some paella in me and a bra and recharge. Thanks, G. Thanks, Andy. G-. No problem. Recharge. Thanks, G. Thanks, Andy. G-Love. Let's go. Thank you, guys.

Wow. And we're back. Nick on fire. I'm feeling it today, baby. Yeah, what's going on? Friday. I got gigs. I'm going to make some money this weekend.

Let's go. And I got one day off in the middle. Really? Saturday? Not that many gigs floating around. I might go sit in with Nick tonight. Guys, it's just a little TV magic for you. We actually don't do these live.

We will, right? Start doing live. Eventually, we'll start doing live. That'll be fun, though. I hope you have a great day. Hope you're happy. Hope you're feeling good. You're smiling to do a live. That would be fun, though. I hope you have a great day. Hope you're happy. Hope you're feeling good. You're smiling because life is short.

And if we can't smile more than we cry. Relax. Just relax. And have a good time. That's why I'm going to Puerto Rico. Yeah, man. For two weeks with my bros. Two weeks.

Two weeks of bro hangs. Every day. You're going to be so drunk. You're going to need to schedule an IV for when you get back. You're going to have to clean your blood out. I don't know. He asked me to get hiking shoes, so. You're going to be so drunk. You're going to need to schedule an IV for when you get back. You have to clean your blood out. I don't know. He's like, he asked me to get hiking shoes, so maybe we're going on hikes. Okay.

Maybe there's a bar on top of my mountain. We're pretending you're not going to get drunk the whole time. It's such a lie. It's such a lie. I don't drink during the day. I don't know what you think, why you think I drink during the day. Well, Cacuzza will probably be able to talk you into it. Yeah, probably.

But for the first four days, like I told you this. I know for you, you start your, your trip a little, little tipsy. Then you, then you work in and clean yourself up. You eat papaya and shit. Evil finds a way. Andy evil always finds a way like a weed going through the cement cracks. You will find some whiskey on that Island. Do you think they serve whiskey in Puerto Rico? They will find some whiskey on that island. Do you think they serve whiskey in Puerto Rico? I think they can find some whiskey for you. You might have a little tequila. I don't know. Rum?

Speaking of famous celebrities, I heard you have a game. Oh, yeah. So I was like, let's make this one light and fun. We don't talk about Andy's drinking every week, do we? No, I was realizing that last couple episodes we've been talking about my drinking. So you know how we like to, we're into Celebrity Net Worth. We love Celebrity Net Worth.

We need a game in this podcast. Every podcast needs a good game. Then you guys can play along. We're going to do Celebrity... What the fuck? I tried to get it. We're going to do a little game called Celebrity Net Worth. I was thinking, how do we do this

without someone cheating well i found a website where we can just generate a random celebrity what if i don't know the celebrity then we'll skip i said if we agree we'll skip to a new celebrity all right let's do a few of them we can't do this all no be like five best of five best of five yeah yeah and so you can't go over and whoever's all right so what's the winner get i don't know who cares a porsche you don't know. Who cares? A Porsche. You don't gotta win to get a Porsche. Nope. Daddy! I just learned that. Okay, okay. So he has

one. Okay, what is this? Alright, so Donna Summer. Ooh. That's a good one, actually. That's a good one. I think she makes... I think she's made donor life. I think she's made up to like... I think... I'm going to say 17.3 million. I'm going to say 17.3 million. I'm going to put her more like six.

What? Yeah. She has hits. I know. Here we go. What's the... She's a woman and they always get screwed over. And...

75 million? Damn. Damn. Shout out to a queen. I totally underestimated you. Make that money, Donna. That disco, man. 75.

What the fuck are we doing, dude? Okay, this game's awesome, isn't it? Yes. Already. Okay, do another celebrity. All right. Wow, shout out to Donna. Okay, what song?

Everlasting Love. This will be everlasting love. Yeah, she's so good. That's sick. Shout out to Donna. Do another one. Wow. All right.

Ron Jeremy. Wow. This one's good. I'm going to go 400K. I don't think he's very rich. I think he probably lost all his money. You know what I mean? I don't know, man.

You got to think about all the- Look at that face. The dick moldings he has of dildos and stuff. All the royalties from that. I just think he's a fuck up. You said 400k? Yeah, I think it's going to be sad. No, I'm going to say I'm going to go into the... I think he's in the 12 millions.

Porn? Porn was big, dude. You know he was producing shit. You are from the valley. This is your world. Ron Jeremy. One million. What? Look at him. No. Idea. Idea. Look at him. No. Idea.

Idea. That is wrong. Idea. We're just going off what this says. They're all wrong. But we're going off what this says. Okay. Okay, idea.

He should play the penguin in the next Batman movie. All right. Ron Jeremy. All right, do another one. This is fucking fun. Let's go. Okay, keep them rocking. Fun as shit.

I love this. Dustin Hoffman. Ooh, it is a big one because he was in movies that were huge. I don't know how actors got paid back then. I mean, enough. I'm going to go 30. Whoa. That's too low. I'm going to go 100. Okay. You know that.

Yes. I mean, you might be better at this than me. You think about this stuff more than I do. Dustin Hoffman. I'm going 30. 30? 100 million on the goddamn spot. Hell yeah. You making money, Dustin. Get that money.

I just done that. Look it. He's a hot old man. Go zoom into his face. Hey, man. Some people. I love him and I love Dustin Hoffman. It's crazy how old rich people age, huh?

Yeah. Interesting. Oh, look at how cute he is. He's a graduate. What's your favorite dustin hoffman graduate was dope um rain man that was i was thinking rain man hard to play mentally disabled yeah and you probably can't anymore overdo it i mean yeah there's a whole thing in tropic thunder about it you know oh yeah never go full r yeah all right dustin shout out to dustin

making 100 million yeah let's do a couple more hey come on buy it's a ps5 we just called you hot all right oh kirk cameron okay from growing pains also did you know he's like it's crazy religious guy now he makes all these like religious movies you don't know about only christians know about so that's weird money in that so that's i'm gonna yeah that i'm gonna say um and all the residuals from growing pains banking i'm going to say 75 million i'm going to go in the 40 range because christians also have that scene they underpay a little bit you're working for the lord i know some musicians in that world they say it doesn't pay as good as you uh really i'm like kirk cameron a 75 i'm going 75 40 burger 10 10 wow 10. how are you

gonna get into religion only only make $10 million? How are you going to be on Growing Pains and not have a good contract? I thought the whole point of getting into religion was to make money, and you only got $10 million? I'm more like, damn, your agent sucks if you only got $10 million from Growing Pains, and that show was on every day for like six hours a day, right? I mean, Alan Fick was on it. Yo, Kurt, fire your agent.

You need to hire Bongiorno. Kurt Cameron. Well, he's giving 10% to God right off the top. He's giving 10% to Fred Savage. He makes all those rapture movies where people get raptured and stuff. Oh, wow. Weird. Yeah, no, he's really into it. Okay.

Guys. That's a fun game, admit it. What a great game. Wow. You ready for March Madness predictions? Okay, so I think Purdue has the best offense in the country right now. That's a fun game. Admit it. What a great game. Wow. Okay. March Madness predictions. Okay. So I think Purdue has the best offense in the country right now. I watched them play two games.

You must be excited. Purdue's in it. I like Purdue. You know who went to Purdue? Kit Zawolski. Big Purdue fan. Hey, shout out to Kit. Hell yeah.

He loves college sports. I could see them making their first final four ever this year. Arkansas been kicking ass lately. I'm going for Arkansas. I want them to make the final four. That Arkansas has been kicking ass lately. I'm voting for Arkansas. I want them to make the Final Four. That's a heart. My heart. I'm going for Fayetteville.

No one thought Kentucky was going to be great this year. They're playing out of their heads. Arizona's killing. I mean, there's like so many teams that could win it this year. What about like the novelty of, you know, Coach K's last season? Fuck Coach K. I'm not a big Coach K guy. What about...

That's been their problem. They just haven't had a coach. What about Bama? I heard Bama's okay. Bama's killing. They have a not a big Coach K guy. That's been their problem. What about Bama? I heard Bama's okay. Bama's killing. They're very athletic. I think they can make a lead eight maybe. You want to do March Madness with me at Blackhawk? You want to go to the first two rounds

at Blackhawk? Maybe we'll convince Mincy and Barstool guys to get us a free hotel room and we'll be their ambassadors. Oh yeah, that'd be fun as shit. When is it? Maybe we'll convince Mincy and Barstool guys to get us a free hotel room and we'll be their ambassadors. Oh, yeah. That'd be fun as shit. When is it? It's, you might be in Puerto Rico for it, but. When is it?

It's usually in March. Yeah. March Madness? I know, but like, is it middle or is it like this week? Yeah, they're going to have conference championships and then, so it'd be right around now. Oh, fuck. All right. That'd be fun, though.

That would've been fun. What about Sweet 16 or some shit? Yeah, we could do that. Yeah, yeah. Or the end of it. Any sports? I know more about sports. It's just more fun when it's the first rounds, because those run all the Cinderella stories

are like fun. There's more games. Last year, I made a thousand bucks off that team. Oh, yeah. I remember. I forgot. Royal Roberts. Royal Roberts.

Yeah, that's a weird school, huh? Shout out to Mincy for taking me to fucking Tulsa. Barstool. All right, we gotta go. I love talking sports. Eight minutes. oil roberts yeah that's a weird shout out to mincy for taking me to fucking tulsa bar stool all right we gotta go i love talking sports eight minutes okay we gotta go have a great day um maybe next week i'll be in puerto rico doing it or nick is just gonna do a solo to open the or we could do it over zoom together we could but i just like i look i gotta see if the internet sucks we'll figure something out okay goodbye oh bo good luck out there you're already in wink one of the tour i hope it's going well um hell yeah yeah and um i hope this other tell your moms i love you i hope this other band's

paying you really well and treating you really great on the road yeah i hope they're just just you're just killing it out there with them. Man. Just raking in the cash in your own hotel. Don't worry. Um, um, you know,

Polish, are you sure? No big deal. Paula sure. Never got back. Are you on a tour bus? You're in a van. He said they're sleeping five people to one room.

Oh, it's one of those tours. It's a rock star tour. It's a, we're blowing a van. He said they're sleeping five people to one room. Oh, it's one of those tours. It's a rock star tour. We're blowing up tour. It's a we're blowing up tour. At least you're going to have one nice hotel room, right? Yeah. All right.

All right, we got to go. Oof. I remember those days. Remember when we all had to slam into one hotel room? Yeah, I was sucking your band. I would not have done it. Oh, it'd be the worst. All right.

Have a good day. Bye. I don't have any shows this week. Goodbye. We'll see you next week. Bye. And come to Workout West. Come out to Workout West and party.

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