Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 17: Caleb Hawley

Episode Date: August 14, 2018

Andy & Yeti process some difficult emotions regarding an incident on a boat; it's decided that we really should be better to each other. And! We have a nice chat with our good buddy, Caleb Hawley. Do you enjoy mustard with your finger foods? Well, then you'll love this week's visit from the Cocuzza Bros. This is Episode 17. To keep up with the podcast, follow us on Instagram @WorldSavingPodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. Follow Caleb Hawley at www.calebhawley.com Produced by Andy Frasco Yeti Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Matt & Chad Cocuzza Wild Adriatic "You and I" by Caleb Hawley Arno Bakker

Yo, what's up everybody you're listening to Annie Frasco's world-saving podcast with Yeti I'm here with Yeti. I met him on Jam Cruise Yo, I'm Yeti! And we're like, yo dude So I've been thinking a lot lately about some psychedelic shit Oh cool, because I've been thinking more about how we should be better to each other I think everyone needs to love one

another and be at one with the universe cool i'm excited for today's interview yeah me too today we've got in who we got in today yeti sean ackles sean ackles man this big stuff. I'm drunk. And we're back. Another on the fucking road edition of the Andy Prasco's World Saving Podcast with Yeti. Yeti cannot fucking drive. I'm letting people know this now. We're driving to Salt Lake City Hi everyone

Hi Yeti Welcome back to my fucking life I just about I put my feet up Just to get some relax And my feet hurt You know I wear barefoot every day Yeah

And this fool Slams the fucking brakes I break the windshield Now there's a huge ass Fucking broken windshield here That he's gonna make me pay for because he's broke. I'm not me. It's like fucking Christ.

But anyway, what's up, Yeti? How we doing, buddy? Good. We're just customizing cars. Customizing cars. We're pimping you. It's funny because it's not even your car. It's your brother's car.

Yeah, it's my brother's car. Sorry, Nate. Should have stayed in the fucking van. We're going to unpimp your car. It's your brother's car. Sorry, Nate. Should have stayed in the fucking van. We're going to unpimp your ride. This is what happened last night when I said I'd buy dinner and then I didn't realize the dinner was like $160. You didn't realize that? No, I thought we were just like nonchalantly

just chilling. Glass of wine later and some pasta linguine. I'm like, fuck. You don't want to be the asshole who doesn't pay when those guys pay for everything. After you said you paid for it, then you're like, oh, no. We need to split this up.

The promoters normally buy us dinner and stuff. Yeah, yeah. But he's been so good to us that I said, fuck it. I'll pay the bill today. I'll pay the bill today. I'll pay the bill today. Yeti, you're a single man. Good fucking luck, dude.

Being single sucks. Why? Why does being single suck? Well, not the whole aspect of it. Like, yeah, cool. You get to flirt with a strange puss and stuff or get some dick, whatever you do. with a strange puss and stuff or get some dick, whatever you do. But, man, I am fucking over one-night stands, dude.

I'm over it. Why are you over one-night stands? Oh, these girls are getting crazy. Getting crazy like because what happened? What happened? What happened? Well, you know, I wore a condom. This is the first time i had a one-night stand in a long time yeah you haven't been really chasing that no i've been come to you well no i my dumb ass thought it'd be okay to start drinking at 11 a.m

so when 6 p.m rolls in and happy hour you know i'm fucking blitzed on my day off yeah and i'm but this girl comes on to me and i come on to her and all of a sudden we were in some wealthy town and she had a sailboat and shit oh shit yeah she's pretty fancy yeah and uh so you guys you go we hooked up on On the boat? Yeah. Yeah? A little motion in the ocean? A little motion in the ocean.

She had a little crazy eye. Oh, shit. And then two weeks later, she's like, I might be pregnant. Oh, shit. And it's my biggest fucking fear in life, dude. I really, there's two things I'm scared of growing up. Jesus. And getting a girl pregnant.

Getting a girl... Only one of those things is real. What? Jesus? With my sterile ass dick? I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. I mean, the amount of...

The amount of... The amount of fornication. I just don't understand how I know I wore a condom. I mean, she's pulling the condom out of the trash can. Draining it in. Draining it back in the vagine. I mean, that's possible. I just don't understand. You were talking with your homegirl about this,

because you and I talked about this for a little bit, and then you were talking with your homegirl about this, because you and I talked about this for a little bit, and then you were talking with your homegirl about this, and she said what I said. What did you say? Or I said what she said. She hasn't hit you back after you had the initial conversation. She's just looking for whatever, like get a little sympathy. But I'm broke. What does she want from me?

That's what, but she doesn't realize that. Nobody realizes you're broke. Uh, you talk about it all the time. I know. You're broke in a sense. I gotta stop posting pictures of me on boats and shit.

Yeah. My friends' boats and shit. They're not even my boat. Hanging out, flying private. No, I'm going to say, I'm flying legionnaire

i got jet blue all all jet blue but like yeah i'm just i get so stressed out this happened to me once the last time this has happened to me i was 16 years old i thought i got a girl pregnant oh fuck it was fucking scary dude i felt like I just saw my life. I thought I'm going to be on the fucking Maury show. I'm going to be on the Maury show. Yeah, that was the first thing that came up to my head. I'm like, oh, God, my mom's going to have to, like, talk to Maury. The first thing that came to your mind was whether or not it was yours and that you were going to be on Maury Povich for it.

Are you fucking kidding me? I'm sick of that. What world is that? Los Angeles, California world, dude But, oh man, I remember that moment Because she's like, I was 16, we were on the road I was booking a band Oh, and your mom let you go

My mom let me go on tour I booked a nationwide tour for this pop punk band, Simply Lost Shout out to my boy Nate And we were in Houston, Texas a nationwide tour for this pop punk band, Simply Lost. Shout out to my boy, Nate. And we were in Houston, Texas. And, you know, I was, you know, young. I never thought this girl came on to me and was like, I've always wanted to have sex with a Jewish boy.

And you were a Jewish boy. How old was this woman? Well, she had been, I mean, I was 16. She might have been 20 or something. Pretty close. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like she was like 45. But like we had sex in the back of a pickup truck,

and I like came really quickly, and I thought I didn't wear a condom. Okay. But like I just remember this image in my head where I was like, oh, fuck, and then just like cum is coming out of my dick and just like flying out i'm like oh dude and you know and then you're you're 16 you stress out like oh shit how old were you when you first had sex 14 you were 14 what ninth grade ninth grade with it was a girl you're you were seeing no i just just wanted to get it out of the way this girl on my swim team oh she was older than me she was a was a senior. And you were a freshman.

Oh, yeah. It was so awkward. Like, we had sex on a chair. On a chair. Yeah, it was like a wooden chair, too. She rode you? No, she sat like this. She sat in the chair to spread her legs.

This is not a video podcast. For those of you, let me just describe what's going on. Like when you're about to have a baby? Yeah, yeah. He's full on in stirrups right now, folks. And then I just like, you know, my dick was super, it's still small, but 16. I mean, I was. Virile.

Oh, yeah. Ready to go. Hours on end. Man, I come so quickly. That's everybody's first time experience. Mine was like that too. I don't know why the first time experience, but I've been coming quickly for the last 10 years. So this is just who you are.

When I'm sober, I come really quickly. Is that why I was telling somebody at the show last night, they were talking, is when you got behind the bar. Oh, Jesus. And they were like, what the fuck? The place was closed down. Like, it was shut down.

I just get so drunk. And you wouldn't want to be a bartender. And these two, I was talking to a couple ladies, and I was working for you and for me. You're working for yourself, Andy. Yeah, straight up. And the best way I work for Andy is just throwing him

under the bus just telling people telling people the reality of it because it doesn't matter like you're still gonna get some they don't care yeah uh it's

I'm a horrible individual for it but I was like oh they're like what is he doing I was like his dick doesn't work unless he's drunk you said that

Jesus fucking Christ really I did I wonder why everyone fucking left and I got You said that? Jesus fucking Christ. Really? I did. I wonder why everyone fucking left. And I got the, wait, what? I was like, no, it doesn't work unless he's drunk. It's true.

We were just talking about this. Yeah, my dick does not work. But like, yeah, I have a problem with that. Like, it's four in the morning. I think I'd have like really nice bar owner friends who love me and let me do whatever the fuck i want but yeah but yeah i have a problem with that it's like once it gets to the end end of the night i'm behind the bar slinging drinks you're still trying to throw a party hell yeah yeah i don't want to leave he thinks he's maybe that's what's wrong with me he thinks he's tom cruise and cocktail folks i love maybe that's what's wrong with me i just don't want to leave the party ever

this is why i'm such a commitment phobe. You're a social butterfly like me. Yeah, but I think it's past that, Yeti. I think I'm fucked. You think you're fucked? What do you mean? I've never had a relationship before, man. We talked about this.

We always talk about this. Vulnerability is very hard for me. But you're not that. See, and I get that. Vulnerability is hard for me, too. And I think what I've realized is that I just fake it. You fake it? Oh, yeah.

But that's not being vulnerable. No, it's not being authentic or real. I'm acknowledging that on the World Saving Podcast. So that's just like putting a Band-Aid over a wound. Yeah, it absolutely is. That's fucked up. But what I'm saying, Andy, is you don't need to worry about whether or not you're going to be able to get into a relationship up i don't know but what i'm saying andy is you don't need to worry about whether or not you're going to be able to get into a relationship because you don't do that bullshit yeah you're right but there's going to be a time in my life where i'm

going to have to settle down stop having fucking one night stands hold on why is the enemy why is there going to be a time in your life where you're going to have to do that? Or I will die, Yeti. Why not just live the life that you want to live? I know. I just feel bad and guilty about living this type of life. Why? Because, I don't know. Do you feel like you owe it to somebody else?

Of course people judge you. I feel like people judge me. Of course people judge you. It's not the norm. I would argue it's not the normal thing, but I mean, fuck, Mick Jagger hasn't stopped doing what he's doing. You're right. That fool's got like 20,000 kids.

Yeah. I don't want to be that fucking dad. Well, you're not. Oh, this is stressing me out just thinking about this. Oh, God. What if I got that girl pregnant when I was 16 and no one said anything you'd have a 14 year old kid i know and what do i talk to her about so what's a girl i don't know in your head you have a daughter yeah my karma it's gonna be a daughter who is really hot really hot addicted to sex addicted to sex and it going to torment me because she's out just getting fucked all the time.

And I'm like, this is what I did when I was a kid. All right, little honey. You think that's going to come back to you? Oh, for sure. Something's going to come back. You know, karma. But do you think, okay, so there's karma. But I'm not like fucking, I'm not having sex to you know you're

just having sex you're not making sex yeah do you so does that guilt come for because there's been you've had for the most part you could argue that a lot of your one night stands are a lot of that one time you're talking about how you had so many girlfriends it comes from uh you feel like you're leading them on yes do you really think you're leading them on yes do you really think you're leading them on or you just lead them on your head because i'm like i can't imagine i'm leading them on okay and then i ghost them because uh because it's not hard to do you're not in their town anymore but it's also it's kind of fucked up like I need to really work on that because

I've probably heard a lot of people you know yeah I'll play the dialogue and I'm suppressed and I suppress the feelings and just shoo it over

when I really I gotta I gotta I gotta be more respectful but like I don't know what they want from me either like maybe they just want to bust a nut.

And that's just it straight up. Like that's exactly what I think it is, is that, that. You think we're both using each other? Absolutely. I mean, everybody's using everybody else. I, I firmly believe that it's just, some people are more willing to admit it. Like I'm fully willing to admit that I will use or manipulate somebody for my own benefit. And that sounds really harsh, but I'm just saying like, you have something I want, whether that's sex or whether that's to have a conversation, to laugh, whatever it is. That's me too. that's me too. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying.

I don't think you can feel guilty. I don't think you need to feel guilty about girls that willingly hooked up with you. It's not like you've ever raped anyone. No. So two consenting adults just getting it on. I know. Maybe I'm just getting older and I'm just like, I just don't enjoy it anymore.

I hate the mornings after a one night stand. You're anxious. You know, you're like, oh, should I cuddle or should I not fucking cuddle? Do I need to get the fuck out of here? Like, is there a boyfriend coming? Like, I have all these things I'm worried about since, you know, I've had girls just lie to me and say, oh, well, yeah, yeah, come over. I'm single.

And then all of a sudden, fucking, i get a message from their boyfriend on instagram hey motherfucker who do you think you are yeah like no one told me this shit dude right i'm a i'm a i'm a ship passing through the night yeah well so do you think this is okay so in your situation like for me like i don't like i haven't and in my in my recently found singleness i will continue to not sleep over yeah like i'm not doing that and and that includes like you know after you get done but you're a serial relationship i'm a serial monogamist yeah absolutely like you. Yeah, so like you have no idea. No, I've done the one night stand. And what is it that those three little words you say, you know, you look her in the eyes

after you have cleaned up and gotten some water and maybe you've had a little snack, you look in the eyes and say, your cab's here. Oh, that's fucked up. That's where I feel the worst. That's where you feel guilty? If I'm just like have sex and leave,

like that's like some caveman shit i'm you know it's like i have a i want to have a moment with someone i think i feel like what you're trying to do is is make sex more than what it is you think so in those moments i'm just maybe just like i'm getting. Are parents engraved that you need to have a relationship? Oh, society's definitely done that. Maybe just relationships don't fucking work. Look how many more divorcees there are. We're above 60%. Above 60% divorce rate?

For divorce rate. Across the board. And actually, I was talking to some friends of mine, um, uh, and some of my LGBTQ friends and they were telling me like, it's, it's even higher, um, in certain pockets of the LGBT community. Um, and so all that to say that marriage is not commitment, marriage, all of that. It's not what it, what it, what it's been traditionally for the last, I'd say, I mean, just go back to whatever we can go down that path. But I mean, I just think for the last 150, 200 years, like marriage has been like this held up

as this pinnacle of, uh, society. And it's the only thing that keeps society together. And the reality is, is that we never really lived like that before. And so I, monogamy is a joke. Yeah. I don't know. It's fucked up. It's fucking with my head.

Like, am I forced to settle down even if it's not in my DNA? Well, I think we do. I think we do for, I did that. I've done that. I mean, yeah. I did that. I've done that. I mean, yeah.

I fucking witnessed it for four fucking months. Yeah. Yeah. Shit. Fucking in and out of a relationship. Having the bags half packed, right? Yeah. You were like that the whole fucking time.

Yeah. And what I realize is that you can't be half in and half out. There's no, there's no such thing, but at the same time, relationships are not my jam. Like I like the idea of a relationship in, in one sense,

a relationship is very easy, right? It's like, you don't have to go out and find it, you know, but at the same time, like I'm finding out, you know,

in my month of singleness here that where I'm really determined to be single, I'm not just like I got on Tinder. I got on those those things. And I just I got off after a week because I was like, I can't I can't do this anymore. Like, this is not it's not what I need to do. Like, I'm just going to focus on. Then you come on tour with the frasca, man. You're like, we're fucking! Jesus Christ.

That's the first thing you said to me. Was it? I'm going to get some pussy this tour. I'm going to get some pussy this tour. I did say that to you yesterday, didn't I? Jesus fucking Christ. Well, I get it. You've been in a relationship for so long.

Yeah. You got to be a man too, you know? Like you got to see what you like now at how old are you now? 54? Yeah. 38. I'm the same age. You know what I found out?

What? I'm the same age as your amazing, beautiful older sister who gave you that beautiful niece. I know. Yeah. We're the same age. Yeah. No, my older sister, you're the same age as my older sister. Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. I said you're older, beautiful sister. My other sister's 36, Steph. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're the same age. Yeah, no, my older sister, you're the same age as my older sister. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I said you're older, beautiful sister. My other sister's 36, Stephanie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My other sister got pregnant too. See, this is the thing. I don't know. Maybe I'm just overthinking this,

but I don't want to be that dad who is always on the road, don't know who the fuck their kids are. Right. You know, my lifestyle and my job entails me to be everywhere it's not conducive to family life i'm not gonna bring a a baby and and the girl on the van and she's like breastfeeding some titty milk and stuff i can't it freaks me out that's all i'm saying you're getting you're like legitimately like getting like anxiety over this. I am, dude. It's freaking me out, dude. I, well, what did I tell you

yesterday? I told you, I said, even if the, even if there's somebody who's pregnant, you got time to figure out the next move. It's not, that's not, that kid's not coming tomorrow. Yeah. But she's not pregnant. She's not pregnant. Stop worrying about it. Well, what's the moral of this story? Don't have sex with crazy girls. No, yeah. You got to wear a condom. You have to definitely adhere to the crazy hot matrix. Wear a fucking condom.

And don't pull out the condom. Just keep the condom in your pocket. Just keep it. Take it with you. Even if it's messy. Even if you have a fucking condom full of cum in your pocket. Tie it off. Take it with you. Even if it's messy, even if you have a fucking a condom full of cum in your pocket. Tie it off. Tie it off. You know, because if you

throw it away, that's bad for the ecosystem. You know? You can't throw rubber. You can't flush condoms. No, I learned that. I had one girl tried to like you know, I wore a condom blah blah, threw it. Yeah, yeah. And she tried to get she tried to like, you know, I wore a condom, blah, blah, through it. Yeah, yeah.

And she tried to get that. She tried to put it back in. She tried to get the baby better. Put it back in her fucking vagine, dude. That happens, man. What are you doing? I have no money. Why are you doing this?

We just met each other. Again, we go back to you're on stage. I can understand this on a certain level, but I definitely have not experienced it on the level that you have. But when you're on stage or you're up front, you can't do anything wrong, and people just make a lot of assumptions. Yeah. They just assume that you're successful

and got all the money in the world and that you're not selling merch for gas money. Fucking, it's a grind, man. And that's the last thing I need is an accidental baby. Well, it ain't gonna happen. Stop worrying about it. Well, let's listen to the next interview while I fucking freak out about this

a little more. And I'll calm you down. Yeah, thanks. Stop putting your feet on the window. Dude, it's broken now. I know. It doesn't matter anymore. You're broke ass. We'll see you soon. I love you. I love you too. Fuck. It's a cold day.

We going? We're here. Alrighty. New York City with Caleb Hawley. That's right. How we doing, Caleb? I'm doing great, man. I love podcasts. I'm excited to be part of one. How you feeling?

I'm feeling good. People who don't know who Caleb is, I met Caleb when I was 19, when I first moved to New York. I opened for him at Spike Hill, and I fell in love with his songwriting and stuff. And then we didn't really talk for 10 years and then we met again on the rock boat last year it was last year last year

and I'm like god I remember I hear I know this voice I know this voice and then I looked it up it was the record

I was blasting for a year and a half what was that record called with the elephants and stuff on it that was called Greatest Hits Greatest Hits

it was my first album it was your first album I've been I tried did you like hide that album because I can't find it I did hide it to step on it. That was called Greatest Hits. Greatest Hits. It was my first album. It was your first album? I've been looking, I tried, did you like hide that album because I can't find it. I did hide it. Yeah,

I did. That first song is my favorite, dude. Dude, that song's called, that was called Taking It to the Skyway.

Perfect for a day like today. Oh, man. It was all about Minneapolis and how you got to like, it was too, it's too cold to play, to busk on the street,

so you had to take it up to the skyway. I mean, that's the kind of shit I wrote about, like, back then. But listen, I'm glad it had an audience. 22? You were 22 then? Yeah, I was like 22, yeah. You're writing some pretty impressive shit, man, for 22 years old. Don't give yourself more credit than that.

Thank you, yeah. So it's been 10 years since I saw you. Now, well, yeah, it's 10 years. Oh, my God. Yeah, so that was like 10 years since we saw each other last year. So in 10 years, you know, what do you think how do you feel your progression in in this music industry been like you could let's talk musically um do you feel like you are where you want to be and then

let's talk about professionally yeah do you feel where you want to be let's start with musically um i don't know that i i think that's gonna be a tricky thing to ever get to where i want to be? Let's start with music. Musically, I don't know that I, I think that's going to be a tricky thing to ever get to where I want to be. I'm always going to, I mean, I think. Are you really hard on yourself? Yeah, I'm super hard on myself. And I think I'm always going to. So you're never satisfied.

Yeah, yeah. You know, part of me. Yeah, I mean, there's a blessing and a curse, right? You know, it's like. What's the curse of that? It keeps you, well, because it keeps you depressed often. You know, it's like, what's the curse of that? It keeps you, well, because it keeps you depressed often, you know, it's like, keeps me down, down on myself. But at the same time, it drives me, you know, it drives me to, to keep on trying to get better. So I don't,

when you're down, do you feel like you write your favorite song? You write your best songs? I actually feel like I write most when i'm down that's like because that's when i feel like it's almost like i need to it's either that or i'm gonna you know feel like i'm gonna like like uh jump off a bridge or something so it's like you know and and now i'm so it's like that's that's what gets me um I don't know, mentally safe. Why do you think that is? Do you think it's the pressure of trying to write that next great song? Or why do you think you're getting down when, you know, if you take a couple steps back and realize you're playing music for a living,

what's getting you down? I know. Part of that is like it's a living. What's getting you down? I know. Part of that is like, it's a perspective. You can always from traveling the world to countries, the third world countries and stuff, it's always that perspective thing where I come back home and I feel like an asshole

because I'm like, well, this is amazing. I'm playing music for a living. That's what I wanted, right? But this is just the mental battle and struggle that some people face, whether it's depression, mental illness. Yeah, a lot of people.

A lot of people. I mean, I'm willing to... I feel like almost everybody. I don't think there's many people that are alone. I feel like it's rarer to find someone who just feels great all the time. Mental health isn't addressed as much as it should be. Now I feel like it's been getting more addressed by musicians and athletes and stuff.

But it's important to take care of your mind, right? Oh, yeah, absolutely. And it's tough, too, because it's hard to figure out what to do and how to do and what works for you. Have you done psychedelics before? I have, yeah. Have you tried to write have you done psychedelics before? I have. Yeah. What, what,

uh, have you tried to write an album on psychedelics? Tried to write, write music on psychedelics or was it just more like a spiritual thing? Not really. It was, yeah, it was a spiritual thing.

I, I, you know, I had done mushrooms and stuff like for more just like fun or whatever. But then I had gotten, uh, into like into what was happening mentally and i and i was told about ayahuasca and i went and went and spent like a week with the with the group and do you want to talk about that hell yeah i want to i want it because

everyone's like did that help with your depression oh yeah yeah i mean that well that changed my life completely tell me about it I didn't really know much what was going to happen. I was kind of going into it clueless and, you know, and it just opened me up. I saw a lot of things about my life that I realized I could change.

What was the process? Did you have to drink a tea? How many days was it? It's during the night, and I was there for probably like I think basically a week, and there was four ceremonies. And the experience lasted probably around like seven hours. And each night was different. The first night was actually really rough because you purge, and there's different ways of purging, but like a lot of people vomit or whatever.

And there's different ways of purging, but like a lot of people vomit or whatever. And that was, for me, the first night, I was, I hate throwing up. I just like, I mean, I think a lot of people do, but I feel like I just really hate it, you know? And so I was kind of scared about that. And so the first night was rough because I puked a ton, you know? But then the next three, I mean, they weren't necessarily easy you know you're going into your past and working out things that you feel like you need to change or maybe even stuff that you can uh figure out for the future it's such a hard thing to to explain honestly like like psychedelics are kind of it's just yeah so like you're in the moment your your brain is like calculating and under like you see a bunch of epiphanies and then once

you get off the drug then you're like yes what did i have epiphanies about you know but i feel better you know yeah exactly so you took six days so like were you did you have a new look of how you're going to run your business as being a songwriter? What was that like? Totally. I was just like realizing I got in, A, I saw all like the connecting points. I was like, all these things have been given to me, all these opportunities that I've been closed off to because I've been too stubborn.

And I just watched them go right by my face and I didn't use them. And, and, uh, and I was able to see it all. I've been missing all these opportunities. I'm sitting here complaining about my life, how nothing's going for me, nothing's working out when here it all was. And yeah. What were you scared about? Like what did what fear did you have like that you had to face during your ayahuasca trip that got you to, you know, having an epiphany of like, this is how I should see life. Yeah. Like, what do you scare it? What was your fears before? You know, it was like less about getting through fears. Yeah. Like, what do you scare? What was your fears before you did that? You know, it was like less about getting through fears. I mean, I was having a hard time figuring out where I was, like a path that I wanted to go down.

You know, like it was more just like confusion, you know, and just trying to figure myself out. And, you know, like I said for everyone for for everyone it's different but for me it was just like kind of figuring out a path I could trust and also just a faith in a greater good rather than rather than just being so selfish which is like what I had become you know like Like you know New York Is a Is a place Is full of You know Self

Selfish people Yeah It is halftime At the Envy Fresco Interview Hour Hey Yo

This is Chad Cacuzza And this is his brother Matt Cacuzza Of the Spoonfed Tribe And this is You remember that oneza. And this is his brother, Matt Cucuzza of the Spoonfed Tribe. And this is You Remember That One Time with Matty and Chatty. Chatty, you remember that fucking one time we was out partying a little too much? Are you talking about that fucking time we were out in Denton, Texas?

Yeah, and our guitarist and our DJ thought it would be a good fucking idea to go steal this yard art and these yard ornaments. And so our DJ picks up this fucking concrete line and he's running with it, trying to get away with the goods. What does he do? He trips, falls, the thing lands on his two fucking fingers, and now he's got fucking two fingers hanging off. That's right, man. I remember he's holding his finger up going, what are we going to do with this, that?

I told him, I said, you got to go to the hospital. So what do we do? We take him to the hospital. We get there and the fucking guitarist is so fucked up they put him in a wheelchair. And they bring him back to the room. He's like, I don't want to be in this fucking hospital. It's creeping me out. So in a hospital gown, he fucking leaves the hospital unbeknownst to us, walks down the road two, three miles, gets to the 7-Eleven, goes inside the 7-Eleven,

goes to the hot dog stand, puts mustard on his fucking fingers, and decides to chew the rest of his fingers off so they're not dangling. You believe that shit, Chatty? I believe that, Matt, because that's the truth. And I'll tell you, he's doing all this wearing a hospital gown with his ass hanging out because he always went commando style. I remember that, Chatty. Ooh.

This is You Remember That One Time time with maddie and chatty well do you have to be self-absorbed to to like survive in this city i mean it feels like that sometimes you know because i mean like i've been like you know three years out from this whole experience. And I feel myself. It's been three years now? Yeah, it's been three years. And honestly, like, I feel like I've gotten a lot back into it. You know, like, I'm trying. It's like, you know, I try to meditate and try to stay consistent with,

you know, all my self-help shit. But, you know, it's,'s yeah I don't know like it's such a weird thing because I know you want to talk about music and music business but like it's like it's this thing that sometimes I feel like if I quit if I quit the music business and thought about music from a more pure

form which is like playing instruments with your friends you know like you know it's not like you don't like, you know, it's not, like, you don't have to create a hit. It's like having an experience with friends. Like, that's music. Then there's music business,

which is playing music with your friends in order to gain something, you know? Yeah. You know, and so it's like, I feel like... So the pressure is to make a hit. Yeah, yeah. So being part of the, and so it's like, I feel like. So the pressure is to make a hit. Yeah, yeah. So being part of the, and the business is what eats at me, you know, is what turns me into a person that I don't want to be. So sometimes I want to honestly just say, with what I've seen as this dream for so long,

which is, I mean, which is playing for, which is going from town to town and being able to play for, you know, four or five hundred people, you know, and not being pressured, not being like, oh, is anyone going to show up? You know, I want to have a tour, a two-month tour of sold-out shows at like four or 500 cap rooms. And that's been my goal for at least 10 years. And you're getting closer and closer. I don't want to give it up.

But at the same time, if I did give it up, I feel like... What would you do, though? Like, really? If you gave it up, Caleb, this fucking talent you have, you shouldn't think like that ever. This is just like you know like never you're never gonna give up if not while i'm your friend i will make sure you don't fucking give up dude seriously because you're way too talented and just because the music industry

is in you know it's you know life is like an up and down thing. And I think the music industry is in that same trajectory too. You know, it's mountains and valleys. And if you give up when the going gets tough, I just don't think you'll ever be fully satisfied because you'll never know what seeing the top of the mountain feels like if you're always giving up when you're halfway or midway there. Yeah. And it's easy to feel.

It's like when it's happening, it's hard to feel. You have your friends come up and say, man, look at you. You're kicking ass. Look at how well you're doing. You're doing all this shit. And sitting in it, oftentimes, it doesn't feel like that. You have your moments where it's like, damn, wow, that was amazing.

But your day-to-day when you're sitting there trying to make a song. Talk about that studio too. Yeah, I got to have a, well, you've been there. I have a storage. There's only a few, I think three, I've only had three other people in there because it's really a few I think three I've only had like three other people in there you know

because it's like it's really a one man space you know it's meant to be it's a storage unit and storage unit in Harlem

in Harlem and it's five by ten which is and actually a little smaller because we soundproofed it so it's like so that took up some space

but it's you know it's essentially a closet but like for the way i make music uh it totally works i can i have you know i have a few keyboards in there i have my um in my guitars and and i'd you know so if i'm gonna record drums or something i'll i'll do that somewhere else but like uh but i can do everything there and it's like as private of a space as,

you know. But that goes back to what people, like you get these texts from people. Oh man, you're killing it. You're fucking killing it. And I'm like, I'm in a fucking five by 10 closet recording music.

You know, like, yeah, I mean, they don't get that. It's like the grind. Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. The other day I was, I was at my storage space and I was like thinking about who, people that I can like compare myself to, you know, because I was like, I was walking in the storage unit and like this is, it kind of feels like a weird like, I don't know, like shacks because it's like, I feel the aisles of units. And I was like, what the hell? I saw a light on and you can only see from above, you know. I saw this one and it was a bigger locker. And so I was like, man, I want to get a bigger locker. So I opened it up to like see what the size and see if it was open because there was no lock on it.

And all of a sudden up peaks this like naked 70-year-old woman. Oh my God, no way no yes was she like was it drug like cracked out or what i i don't know i i immediately shut it i felt like i had like violated she was living there she well the thing is it's only open till seven so like i she leaves so then i had i felt so bad i had like this conversation with her. Like I shut the thing and I was like, hey, I'm really sorry. She's like, what's your name? And I was like, Luke. I told her my brother's name for some reason.

I don't know. You're scared. John. And I was like, what's your name? She's like, you know my storage number. You don't need to know my name. Oh my God. I'm like, girl, we're like neighbors.

I'm recording right next to you. Let's come by and do a track. I know. So it's like, you know, like this is, you know, it's like me and this lady. Like this is my company, you know? So when you, and then someone, you know, like, you know, to bring it full circle. Like someone sees it. Yeah, you're killing it, man.

It's like, well, actually, I'm just making music up in this random world. There's this lady sleeping, you know? It feels like halfway homeless. Do you feel like you write your best songs when you're by yourself in that room? I wouldn't say, like, I mean...

Or they're just hashing out ideas. Yeah, that's more hashing and honestly working on. That's honestly more producing. Writing songs, I wouldn't say there's any specific space for me that I do my best. I'm like, that's just something I try to be more consistent with as far as an everyday thing. far as like an everyday thing.

It's not an everyday thing, but like, you know, it's like, yeah, right. But I, but I also kind of write and while I produce, I kind of do, it depends on the song, but oftentimes I do that simultaneously. So it's like, so, so I do a fair amount of writing, writing in there as well, you know, but yeah,. But yeah, it's just great to have this space where it's just like a closet. It's like, what else are you going to do there? What do you think is the song

that you feel is the best song you've ever written? Ah, man, that's tough. Just from your point of view of how a song should be like nobody other's opinion even if the song didn't do well on the streams yada yada to you what do you think your your best song is well or most strongest song that yeah emulates who you are i think of like i think one of my songs that i mean that has done probably best for me is a song called Bada Boom Bada Bling. And the reason why I think it represents me well is because there's a fair amount of tongue in cheek to it. It's about finding a sugar mama.

I think I've seen that music. Is there a music video online? Yeah, yeah. YouTube? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the reason why I feel like it represents me well is because there's some comedy in it, you know, and there's like, there's some satire in it. And I think it's, the form of it is like a great pop song. Like when I wrote that song, I was like, you know, I mean, this is not like a serious hit but this could be something that a Bruno Mars would

do, or CeeLo or something. But then there's other songs that are more serious. Man, I don't know. I don't have a favorite child as far as songs go. There's songs that I love to play live, and there's songs that I love to play. There's some songs that are unrecorded that are more, that I hope to record, but are more personal

and that are some of my favorites. My two favorite songs are Let a Little Love In and You and I. What inspired that song? of my favorites you know my two favorite songs you are let a little love in and um you and i what inspired that song um well you and i was and i hadn't written a love song for my wife in years and i and we've been together for damn coming up on 12 years we moved to new york two days after and um and i wrote that song a couple years ago and that was that was, you know, like when you've been with someone a long time, you're not writing their like… How many years have you been with her?

If you count from when we first met, you know, 17 years. Holy shit. You're 32. Yeah. Unbelievable. You write the song after the ayahuasca trip? Yeah. Yeah.

And I mean, it's more like a sweet song you know it's i don't think it's like it's like a super deep love song on any on any level but it's like it's just a day to day thing you do when you're in a relationship with someone for i don't know longer than five years or something i don't know like it's it's it's just about simple things you know and and so for that yeah that's but aren't the best hits all about simple things yeah yeah yeah and i think i think i think oftentimes yeah and finding a way that people are it's just like comedians you know when you when you connect to a joke it's because you can imagine doing it or it's something it's something someone says that you want them to say like,

Oh, I've always thought that, or, Oh, like you said exactly what I'm thinking, but I just didn't find the word. I, you know,

didn't, or maybe they have said that before and I don't know. It's just a way to, a way to connect. So yeah, you and I is, was a simple love song and, um,

let a little love in. That's a, that's a love. That's a universal. When did you write that song? That one I wrote a while ago. It was probably five years ago. Honestly, I have no clue how I wrote the lyrics.

I don't remember writing the lyrics to that song. It feels like a Donny Hathaway song. Yeah, absolutely. I love that. Because you play piano pretty damn good bud for that being

your second instrument thanks man so your first instrument is guitar and vocals yeah I would say guitar vocals and piano

I can play songs when I learn them I'm not gonna I'm not you know it depends on the key yeah same here

yeah and so and so you know it's like let a little love in. I just, I wanted to make a universal love song, you know, and that's definitely like my most, you know, piece of love song that I have. So that song came before the Alaska trip. The That song came before the Alaska trip. The other song came after the Alaska

trip. And you could feel the difference between it being you writing a generic love song and writing a love song. With you and I, you're not writing to the people. You're writing to your wife. Well, yeah. A huge thing.

A huge change that happened in me i would say like you know post ayahuasca is that like i i only wanted to write personal stuff rather than like see because i i was a massive randy newman fan and randy newman he doesn't write he writes he writes character songs you know like it's not necessarily something that he experienced. And that's the way I was. I was like, this isn't something I experienced, but I want to write it like a story.

But now I want to write more from a personal place. And that's what I tend to do now because it's just, I feel like that's really the only truth I can share. I honestly, I can try to write from another perspective, but at the end of the day, that's just judging. Like, I don't, I don't know how it feels to be anybody else. Yeah. You know, so it's like, I can only do my perspective.

And so, you know, though it's fun, like, you know, with musical theater or something like that, like, or if you're developing, you you know you can still do stories and develop things from other people but there's no absolute truth in that when something comes from myself that feels as close to absolute as i can as i can be because it's my experience you know so and you're letting people know that they're not alone because people are feeling that way too oh yeah they just don't know how to express it absolutely yeah absolutely and i i think that's important and like you know that brings me like that kind of leads me into thinking about writing from a dark place which i which i do often you People, which is, I've had producers in the past that I've tried to work with

and be like, I can't work on your music because this is too dark. Which is interesting, right? Producer said that? Well, a producer. I shouldn't say producers. Blasses, motherfucker.

I've had people say like, man, I can't believe a child is going to hear this song. Someone coming in the world is going to hear this song that is about your hell. And I find that I totally disagree with that because I don't, I'm not trying to sit here and write positive songs all day because that's not real to me at all. That's not real to anyone. No, it's not on cloud nine every fucking time. I mean, I think people try to act like it. So, you know. Yeah, that's the death.

That's what, like, Instagram caused that, you know, and social media. Like, everyone's only posting stuff that's good in their life, you know? Because I think that's what gets the best response. You know, you're right. Whenever I'm feeling like shit and I make a post that's just me with a frown on my face because I'm just like, fuck life. Like, no one likes it. Yeah.

So it's like, from a business, from a from a whole like I want people to like me perspective, you have to show. I feel like oftentimes you got to show the good side, which kind of sucks. So why can't you show? Okay, so like publicly you have to show the good side, but when you go in and write a song in the studio, you don't have to do that. You realize that, right yeah yeah not true and and uh yeah my last my last album is is is much more real yeah uh i feel like at least yeah the lyrics are really good i think they're

the best out of your discography those are like the best lyrics. You're just being honest and you're not overthinking it. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. And that's what I keep on planning on doing. All right. Last thing.

Yo, man. I'm loving this. This is fun. This is great, man. Because it's like we're budget. This is what we'll be talking about when we're just sitting down shooting the shit.

Yeah, exactly. Last thing. I'll let you go or we'll go get some sandwiches um because my stomach is growling like a motherfucker um so when it's all said and done your career you know you've you know you're you're sitting you're 65 or 70 or i hope 100 you know i'm not gonna make it that long but you you're healthy and shit. When it's all said and done, what do you what if you could take

one thing out of this discography of your life and yada yada, what who would you want to emulate the most? Like as a songwriter, as a person, as a lover, as a

yada yada. Just as a human being. As a lover as a you know yada yada yeah yeah just as a human being you know it's a human being you know who had a my god man that is uh you're kind of asking who like who's your hero who are you striving to be like? Yes. And I don't know that I've ever, to be honest, like, had a single person that I'm like, that's who I'm striving to be like, because I find that everyone has, you know. But I am trying to stay as true to myself as possible. Because, like, you know.

Do you want to be considered a songwriter? Do you want to be considered an entertainer? Do you want to be considered a good husband, a good friend? You know, what are the things you want to be? Well, I definitely want to be a good husband, a good friend. You know, what are the things you want to be? Well, I definitely want to be a good husband. I plan on having a family, and that's going to be a big part of my life. As far as on the music side of things, I always did this to entertain. This was always about playing shows to me.

Like, maybe songs were a way to, were an outlet for me to be on stage. You know, like, I got the rush. I got, it's like heroin or something. I got the rush when I was 12, when I played my talent school, when I played my talent show, and I played a Nirvana Metallica medley,

and then I, and that was it. You I and that was it you know that was like the that was the the injection you know that that makes me try to that makes me try to get to that all the time so it's like ever since I had that um that's what I crave you know and and so like I'm taking less time to I'm not on the road as much any at as of this point in my life but i hope because i'm trying to find i'm trying to find shows that because i want because i oh at the same while i crave that i want to make sure the the shows count and i don't want to force it like i don't want to like i want i want the opportunities to come rather than going and playing milwaukee for four people yeah like i don't want to...

Because that's not fun. But my goal is to be playing shows. I mean, that's my passion. Quality over quantity. Yeah, yes, yes, absolutely. And I mean, there's a lot of performers that do it differently. There's no one I've seen perform like you. I feel the same way about you, bro.

You're the goat, dude. You're the best. Nah, man. Dude, you're like... You can take any crowd. One thing I love about your performing is when we played Knitting Factor in the summer, I got to watch my people I knew there that are like,

they're by no means are they reserved, but it's like, you were able to bring out like the debauchery in all of them. And I, and I thought that was amazing because I'm like, like they are like showing a side of themselves that you make them feel comfortable. And that's something that I think is really special. I don't know that I'm at that place. I mean, I can perform and I can make people happy, but I can't make

them be a reflection of myself like I see you can do, which is pretty dope. I think you're totally wrong. I think you're totally wrong. I think you drive people crazy as well and they love your show. I mean, you gotta

give yourself more credit. No, no, I mean, listen, I do feel like I'm a good performer and I do feel like that's a strong point for me. There's this, that's just a place that I, that's the next thing I'm trying to do is try to, and I see people have fun.

I see people enjoy themselves, but I want to see them lose themselves. Yeah. Like, and I, I, I'm, to be honest, like, it's not just because this is, you know, your show. Like, I don't think I've actually ever, I think you're the only performer I've ever truly seen do that to an audience. Like, where they, that I've personally ever, I think you're the only performer I've ever truly seen do that to, uh, the audience, like where they were that I've personally seen, you know? So, I mean, by me saying that, I don't know that I've gotten to that level. I'm not like, I don't feel like I'm insulting myself. I'm just saying like, that's a really special thing.

Well, I appreciate that, man. Yeah. One last thing. Cause I want to, I'm curious about your life. Um, what, what do you got going on next? What's on the horizon? What's in your brain? What do you want to make? What's going on? So I'm actually doing, so I released my full-length album in September,

and I'm going to be putting out like an acoustic version of it. Just like super stripped down with friends. You're on it. You're on my song. We all got problems. Thank you for, I love that song.

It was an honor for you. I think there's a lot better singers than me on there. Dude, you sound great on it, man. It's sick. I'm actually, I'm most excited about that one,

man. That's, I'm really excited how that turned out. And so, and so I'm trying to, with most of the songs, at least have guests and friends on, on them.

And I'm'm gonna probably put that out in may and not you know and then uh other than that i have a few festivals i'm i'm playing in the summer i'm about to do a few dates next month opening for ripe and then uh yeah i mean i'm just like i said i'm i'm kind of i'm waiting for things kind of waiting for the right situation as far as touring, but that's definitely on my mind. But I'm also not trying to force it. So I'm more focused on just making more music and just putting out a lot of stuff. The art to find the perfect show is oh man it's like it's so hard and you have to find that you have to like i look at

it as like a stand-up too like you can't bring the same show every year like this is what fucked me for four years because i brought the same show to a lot of these markets for four years in the midwest and you see if you know like you start being called a one trick pony and stuff and blah, blah. So like it really brought my ass like, all right, I got to show people that I'm not a fucking one trick pony and I could, you know, play so many shows and keep it different. Like these jam scene. That is that.

That's yeah. No, I feel you on that because I've been to show I've been to people's shows where they say the same joke and it's scripted. And on certain levels, like on stadiums, it feels like a Broadway performance, like almost a musical theater performance. It is, it's theatrical.

But there's something special about being able to, you know, run with what's happening no matter what and making it a new experience every night. Not only for the audience, but for yourself. Yeah, totally, man. I got one last, not only for the audience, but for yourself. Yeah, totally, man. I got one last, this is the last question. If you could perform or sit in or open for any artist, dead or alive, who would it be and why?

It's tricky because I feel like when I think about opening, I always think that the genre has to be somewhat of a fit or something like that. Don't think like that. But like, man, I would want to hang with Randy Newman. Randy Newman has been my musical, probably remained my musical hero. Oh, but actually.

Ernie went to high school with his daughter. You know that, right? I do, yeah. He grew up, he's like a LA kid. So Randy Newman, but then also Lewis Taylor, which is very. Who's that? Okay, actually, it's going to be Lewis Taylor.

He's going to be my number one, but it's going to be him. That's impossible because he's retired. And he's actually a musician that a lot of people don't know. He hugely influenced the D'Angelo Voodoo album, which has been... Oh, it's my favorite fucking record. Really? Oh, yeah. There's, you know, the part...

Who produced that? Did Rick Rube produce that? I actually don't know who produced that, but who... I forgot. No fact checking on this podcast. I think he actually... But he did... I think he did approach Lewis Taylor

to produce it. But like, for instance, there's a part in that song, Untitled, which was kind of the hit. Oh, my favorite song. Yeah, you know how it's got a surprise ending. It's got this big crescendo

and then it's gone? Yeah. Well, that's... Yeah. But that's in the Lewis Taylor, Lewis Taylor's album has a song called Damn that does the exact same thing.

And, and I, I mean, the thing about Lewis Taylor, he's retired, sadly, multi-instrumentalist, plays everything,

British dude. Oh, you're talking about the All The Way In where it's like a Bill Clive X and then it drops? Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. And so, and, and so Lewis Taylor's self-titled album, I think it came out in 96 and Sounds Like Tomorrow.

You know, it's just like it's my... I was actually showed him by like three friends separately and every time I was like, who's that? You know, but then I didn't like store it in my brain until finally my man B-Ski, who's a great musician as I didn't store it in my brain until finally my man, B-Ski, who's a great musician as well,

he turned me on to him for the final time. And now I've been into him for two years. Lewis Taylor. Lewis Taylor, man. Check out his self-titled album. The thing is, they say that he was too psychedelic for the soul world and too soulful for the soul world and too soulful

for like the psychedelic world. So like it just didn't hit. I don't know. But it's I got it's amazing. Now you got me curious about that.

Dude, it's it is some of the most musical but also like listenable stuff I have I have ever heard. Yeah. Well, Caleb, thanks, buddy.

Andy is a blast. If y'all don't know Caleb Hawley, you will soon. If you don't, listen to his records. Find him on Spotify, iTunes. Go see his show. He's one of my close friends now. And I feel like we've really gotten closer this year, especially. I've been forcing you to hang out with me.

All right. Love you guys. Until next time. And now, a message from Caleb Hawley. Don't you want somebody to love when you're lonely? Don't you want somebody to lighten your load? Don't you want somebody, somebody like me? Don't you want somebody to make you breakfast? Talking over coffee in the living room Don't you want somebody to watch all your favorite shows with me?

Don't you want somebody, somebody like me? And as the world keeps spinning, we'll keep living by each other's side Until we pass on through this life, it's you and I, it's you and I Until we pass on through this life. It's you and I. Yeah. Boom, boom, boom, boom. There you have it. Another one. Bites the dust.

Wow. I'm still thinking about this situation Where um You are telling people You're throwing me under the fucking bus So you could get some pussy That's not necessarily Bullshit Yeti You say it like that

Yeah that's exactly what's going on What happened in Vegas Yeti What happened in Vegas I didn't have to throw you under the bus I just got the keys from Joe I saw it in your eyes You're like yeah It's happening What happened? I didn't have to throw you out of the bus. I just got the keys from Joe. I saw it in your eyes. You're like, yeah, it's happening.

But yeah, I don't know. I got to make some life changes. Life changes. I told this to my manager and he just started laughing. What do you expect? I did too. I mean, I felt bad for a second. And I was like uh Frasco's getting

what he deserves hilarious this is hilarious everyone pray for me please send your positive vibes that nobody's pregnant

um yeah but so this is the thing though like the singleness thing like legitimately worries me

a little bit why cause I don't know how like you're talking about like like you're like you were just trying to get some pussy i'm like yeah i'm really bad at closing though but you you say you're really bad at closing but you you had sex with someone in vegas yeah that's true i think you're just trying to be the nice guy right now in in the podcast and our for. No, that could be true. Just be honest

with these people. That's how they like us. Maybe I'm only good at closing around you because you're so great. You're learning from the master. Learning from the master. No, I'm horrible at closing. The only way I could close is if they've seen my show. I can't pick up a girl at a bar. Okay.

I'm horrible at talking. Like, I am. If they know who you are, it's because they're star fuckers. You think so? I don't, I mean, I don't mean that in a bad way. I mean. No, I think I'm just more comfortable. They know what I do.

I don't have to, like, pretend like I'm being someone I'm not. I don't have to, like, work myself. I hate trying to pitch myself dude i totally get that because that's why i got off dating apps because i was like i shouldn't have to work this hard just to have a conversation because i know that if and the other side of is that dating apps like i get it there's a hookup culture but i'm like you can just do hookup in person like yeah i don't i don't get the whole like taking a whole lot of time to create this false narrative of what you want when if if all you want is to hook up yeah and this is for

anybody on a dating app then just say that and i get that there's people that do but then there's the there's a double standard that's created in that too people are like you're just trying to hook up and it's like you're just trying to hook up with a conversation like you just want to feel good about your hookup. Yeah. Which is bullshit, because that's not what hookup culture is, from what I understand. The kids, you're fucked. You guys don't wear condoms. You guys pull out.

But it's weird. We must be getting more sterile. It's like Handmaid's Tale is happening. Straight up. Do you remember that? Do you remember when I was in No Country for the Other One? That movie that came out. Children of Men.

Yeah. Same concept, right? Like humanity loses the ability to reproduce. Yeah. Well, that does not give you an excuse to not wear a fucking condom. Grab the condom. If it's a one night stand, I don't care how filthy it is.

I'm going to say this again. Put that shit in your pocket. Tie it up. You never know. You never again. Put that shit in your pocket. Tie it up. You never know. You never know. Tie your condom in a little knot. Put it in your pocket. My next song is called Blame It on the Condom.

Blame It on the Broken Condom. Do you have a preference? Are you Durex? Are you Trojan? I like Trojan. You like the lambskin ones? I'm worried. Durex, I'm scared.

It does make my dick look bigger because it's like a tight fit. Yeah. So that's kind of cool. But I feel like it's like a rubber balloon. Like it's going to pop. And yeah, I'm not into that. So Trojan, I'm a Trojan guy. Spermicidal lube just so I don't get anyone pregnant.

You ever tried any of those condoms that have like the weird heads? Like they got like more rounded for better feeling and shit? It's all fucking marketing. My dick's so small. It doesn't matter what you put on it, dude. They're just going to have to deal with it. Well, that's it, guys. We've talked enough about my anxiety.

Now everyone knows what's going on in my life right now. Um, I love y'all. If I have to quit music, you're not going to have to quit music. Shut up. You're just in the doldrums of a single dad to figure out your shit. There's nothing wrong with that.

This feeling it's more than a feeling. Follow us on Instagram, Frasco and Yeti. Follow me wherever we go I'm gonna need to sell more tickets now andyfrasco.com check out the tour dates

follow Yeti at IamYeti follow just follow us we love you guys you're keeping me I really seriously

on a real note I can't afford a therapist so this is my therapy, like just spilling my brains out to my friends and my family. So thank you for not judging me here. And thank you for just letting me be vulnerable because you're all I fucking got. Yeah.

Thanks for listening. Continue to listen. Be safe, comb your hair and wear a fucking condom. Peace. Well, thank you for listening to Andy Fresco's world-saving podcast with Yeti. Produced by Andy Fresco, Yeti, and Chris Lawrence.

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Sean Eccles, Andy Avila, and Arno Bakker. May this week bring group hugs to all of us.