Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 172: CHERUB

Episode Date: May 17, 2022

Nick and Andy reveal intensely personal details on this very special, *very* sexual episode. And we got massively proficient earworm wizards, CHERUB on the Inteview Hour! Andy and the guys discuss the criss-crossing paths they've taken over the years that led them to this: the next installment into our Summer Camp Music Festival series... Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Puff Break (Believe That)" on iTunes, Spotify  Music to get down to: cherublamusica.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Andy's Agent Arno Bakker

damn fraski just heard about a rise music festival that sucks the page you though you know let's let's fucking party anyways man we can set up a show uh i got this parking lot it's usually where i go to buy ketamine but uh yeah it should be good um you know all nitrous all the mushrooms you can handle let's fucking do it buddy let me know and uh we'll get this shit popping yo andy it's your agent uh i'm sure you heard over the weekend the rise got canceled um really a shame um i was bummed out all weekend i was like what are we gonna do to fill that date but uh i just got an email from a retirement home in Bloom, Colorado, that is looking for you to play a show in the cafeteria.

This is not even – I mean, I'm for real. And they made a note to say that the dirtier you can be, the more they will pay you. And you got to listen to this financial scale because it's killer. So if you play a clean show, they're going to give you 500 American dollars. But for every song that's deemed offensive by the world at large,

they will give you an additional 50 bucks. So if you do all of your filthy dirty songs, you can make a grand total of about $16 million. Andy Frasco, World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco.

How we doing? Summer camp edition, baby. Let's go. Yeah, summer camp. We're almost there another couple weeks till fucking festival season oh my god need a little more volume on my headphones you want some yeah there you go there you go yeah oh fuck me um i'm andy frasco this is nick gerlach hi everyone hearts and minds baby hearts in my i don't i'm too tired to talk about

my heart and mind andy's very tired oh man i got tired from hanging 48 hours in new orleans is yeah i might be an alcoholic yeah maybe we drank we were up every night till 11 a.m i heard brian's uh voicemail to you on this week's episode. It was not pleased with your performance. He wanted me to be sober and not have everyone sitting. He sounded like you. I do agree with him about the sit in thing. I, I, you know, I, I have to be honest and agree with him when I agree with him or when I make fun of him, it won't hit as hard. And I have to say, I agree about the sit in thing, but here's my pushback.

New Orleans is a little different, right? Lawrence is like, you don't go there to like build your career and do that it's now you go down there to get drunk and like throw a party and hopefully break even yeah it's basically all the same cast of musician characters yeah covering a band it's a hang it's just a hang yeah yeah that's it's i don't think new orleans counts it's also like doesn't feel like you're in america when you're there in a way. Oh my God, I know. Compared to other cities?

Dude, we... In a good way, by the way, I mean that. Every other town I could be tired by 2 or 3 a.m. Yeah. New Orleans, we were at bars at 7 a.m. There's something about it. And we were fucking jacked up. I wasn't doing no

coke nothing i was just drinking i don't even like i've been there a lot you know and it's the mushrooms too i don't see people doing cocaine there i don't think it's not something that then you need there oh i saw it well it's like everyone it's not like denver true where you're like doing it people are doing it lunch you know what i mean well they're doing it. People are doing it lunch. You know what I mean? Well, they're doing it at breakfast at 9 a.m. Well, that's different because you're still up. Yeah. Oh, Denver's like you wake up, have a coffee, and then do a little go to brunch, eat two bites of it, drink three cups of coffee, ask yourself why your stomach hurts, go home, text someone you up at 3 p.m. and then bitch about someone you're up at 3 p.m.

And then bitch about being single. up at 3pm. Yeah. And then bitch about being single. Oh, God. It sounds horrible. Yeah. But New Orleans, I love it there. I don't think I could live there, though. I don't think I could do cocaine during the day. It's very weird.

I don't do cocaine. So I wouldn't know. Have you ever done cocaine during the day, Bo? Yeah. Do you like doing it? I mean, it makes about one that come downs at five o'clock. Well, like doing it? I mean, it makes... What about when the comedown's at 5 o'clock? Well, isn't that... I don't start during the day.

Here's my pushback there. Isn't it better to do it during the day and then have a natural sleep cycle? I don't want to look like a fucking alien during the day. You do already. I know, but at night I can hide my alien-ness. You can. That's true.

At daytime, you're vulnerable with the grandmas at the fucking grocery store. you do already. I know, but it's night. I can hide my alien. This you can. That's true. And daytime you're vulnerable with the grandmas at the fucking grocery store. Hell no. Hey, no, man. Well, what about, I've been realizing it's I took, Oh, I got, I fucking took ketamine. Uh, I don't like before I left on tour for this new Orleans. You get a hard no from me. And ketamine, I don't know. I was just feeling spicy. I'm like, I haven't taken any, I didn't drink for like four days, took four days off. So I'm like, I'll go to Cervantes and um, just say yes to anything. And ketamine was there. That's a bad place to go. All the people are trying to sell me that ketamine, some great thing are the same people that are trying to sell

me. And how do people function on that shit? I know i've never done it i i'm just saying nfts are crypto like ketamine and nfts same people honestly i was like right i took like three minor little toots of this ketamine yeah i know i know and i guess they call it a k-hole yeah i couldn't walk dude and people were asking me for photos and saying frasco you, you know, just like being, you know, I was doing my thing and I was like holding walls and shit. And I look like a crazy person. Jill and Brianne, because I kept it pretty cool. Brianne was there?

But Brianne was bartending. She wanted. I forgot. She's like. I was like in New Orleans. You need to get out of here. Yeah. I was like, yes, I fucking do. I'm out. And I didn't like it. And then the hangover the next day was like, it took all day to get through that shit. I didn't really, I mean, I think I saw you that. No,

I didn't actually. Yeah, you did. I was on the couch. Oh, I came in to grab something. I was stealing Ernie's keyboard stand again, like I always do, because I always forget to buy a keyboard stand, and then I have a keyboard gig, and I'm like, oh, fuck. Oh, God. And you were out.

I don't get how people just go out on that shit. I don't know. I don't do it. I don't know. It was weird, dude. It was weird, dude. I didn't like it. I don't think I'm ever doing that again.

But I am on Brian's side about the sit-in thing to wrap that up. Why? Not in new orleans but everywhere else but all the musicians i bring on stage are badasses i know but it's just different but also i get it but new orleans doesn't count no one doesn't count was he mad at you for drinking again i told him does brian drink well i he wanted to fly in he's like hey i'm coming to Jazz Fest. I called him like, cancel your flight. I don't want you there. I don't want to feel like, because I'm going to be drinking for 24 hours straight.

I don't want to feel like you're judging me. He's like, you think I father you? I mean, I need a father figure like that. I think your dad could be a pretty good father figure for you. I saw him this weekend for Mother's Day. I took him to Primus. Oh, he went he went with you i got a ticket to primus shout out to bonjo for giving us all tickets to primus i brought my dad your mom seven years old your mom go too he's like i like the visuals my mom was too tired she didn't go but it primus played the rhyme and my pops were gonna take some mushrooms and go did he go did? Did he take mushrooms? Yeah, he went out.

And he went out. Mushrooms? He was drinking. And he didn't take any mushrooms, no. Do you like it? Yeah. He said, I like the visuals. Because they had all these trippy visuals.

He's like, the band was kind of metal. I'm like, it's not really metal. It's like prog rock. But there's metal in there. A little bit. For what they are, it's metal really metal it's like uh prog rock but there's metal in there a little bit like for what they are it's metal compared to like the other kind of jam bandies and they did a second they did a rush set where they did all rush songs that's cool it was cool especially i'm not into prog rock not either but it's cool i like it live i like seeing all the you could tell

which ones are rush fans oh yeah these guys are nerdy as also they have a weird contingent of like monster energy drink kind of people that like them too. Monster energy drink? Like to say there's like a Primus you're talking about? Yeah. There's like a tool Primus crossover. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's, but I'm talking like the stoner rock side of it more. Maybe. I don't know. What kind of music does your dad like? Dad rock? Steely Dan. Yeah. Dad rock. Yeah. That's literally the ultimate dad rock man he likes steely dan oh yeah but um he said it was fun then we took him to dino's in east nashville what's that it's like this late night bar oh that has cheeseburgers yeah but your dad kind of rages right there's stories about your dad jumping in the pool at some show or something he was a partier

but now every time i think about my dad, I'm like, fuck. He's getting older. He's 70. We took him on tour. Did I tell you this? No. I took my dad for his 60th birthday on the road with us for five days. Oh, this is like 10 years ago when you guys... 10 years. When your shit sucked. Yeah. You were like, there's like

35 people there. Yeah. There was like, we had like four markets where we drew like 400 people. It was like Fayville, Arkansas, Springfield, Missouri, Tulsa, Oklahoma, big a market, all the state schools and well, here's my question is like did he get his own hotel room? We rented a bus. What we rented like a RV bus. Oh and he so we give him the full experience. Do you like it? He loved it. He got diverticulitis. That's really bad. Yeah, he has a bad colon. That's why I have a bad colon. You have a bad colon. I have a bad I have bad test. Is it like a semi colon?

Rack that. I'll clap to that. That's actually a good one. Good one. But I was like that when I was like really raging on like blow and stuff. And I was like, this is on stage every night. Like this is my dad. Go get him fucked up. Like how many shows did he go to? He went to five.

That's a lot. Almost died. I mean, he was, he was partying. We gave the girl, all the girls like, I heard your frascos dad and like give them the mushrooms.

I'm surprised your mom let him do that. Jewish moms and Catholic moms. Just such a crossover there it's so similar same yeah it's weird the guilt thing is very strong with them so i had ptsd of like all right i'm with tst i'm in nashville i want to get i want to i don't get to see my dad a lot but i've also been on a four day bender and you know you either got to keep the bender going because the minute you stop for a couple days, I go to bed. I go to bed for five days.

After this, I'm going to bed for five days. For five days? I mean, at least three. Just chilling. You want to go to a baseball game this weekend, maybe? Hell yeah. But you can't go if you're in bed. Hey, you want to try one of these dialed-in gummies? Hell yeah. Why are you hey you want to try one of these dialed in gummies hell yeah why are you doing that monsters um dialed in gummies everyone these are amazing

these are my favorite i've been eating these every day now me too i had four of them last night for oh my god they're so good i had one and a half before i went to bed that's so much for you i know i've been like a baby i don't other edibles me up you know what else i've been doing these are cleaner yeah they're solventless yeah i like these solventless um doubting gummies they have different um growers or what do they call that yeah each collaborators each gummy is strand specific it's not like they're they're not just throwing nine different scales of weed into a thing and it's like it's all very thought out each one is its own thing there's a qr code on there for and you can see how each one was made

it's rosin too it's not it's rosin yeah i really feel pretentious when i say that to people i'm like yeah i'm eating a rosin edible you want to feel fancy get yourself a rosin edible it's like the cleanest way to eat weed and they taste delicious they're so good they're like gummy bears but they didn't have weed in them i would eat three things i told him to get us a bunch of virgin gummies too they don't they can barely stay in stock of these yeah yeah they're all sold out um in colorado one state you can only buy them in one yeah we messed that up we that up they weren't that mad they weren't mad they're just like listen we don't want people we don't people get too excited until we get into the states so if you're in the colorado they literally win an award every

day almost every time you go on their website they have a new award they're cool people they know they're they we can't we don't want to this is the new partnership i will remind you that they are paying us all right we should be nice to them you're right dialed in gummies go grab some if you're in colorado They're all sold out. They're a month. They said, what'd they say? They're a month behind because the demand is so high. Yeah.

Fuck yeah. Shout out to people doing shit. I like when people win. You know, I hate the people who are so bitter about people winning. Going back to the fucking trolls one more time. Do you think there'll be trolls at summer camp? Oh, yeah. It's Midwest.

All they do is hate stuff there and not like it. Get mad at you because you don't have to go to work every day. And they do. There's going to be something they're not going to hate in that summer camp music festival. Boom, baby. My face. End of May. I'm ready.

Memorial Day weekend, baby. Playing 2 a.m. to 4 a.m. I would say you get more bang for your buck on this festival than any other festival i agree it's longer right four days most of three and there's so many bands i know that's it that's my entire argument so i show up to summer camp music festival bill payne what a riot did you listen to that one yeah he's great he was unbelievable so chill dude right they're playing they're headlining this week we got cherub who is wow you told me about him jason's awesome i don't know the other guy as well as jason because jason likes uh we always hang together at umphrey's red rocks yeah we had a real bonding moment in this interview

you guys have some similar vibes to you right you guys should do a song together i think it would be a hit yeah i think it'd be fun that could be like you're because they kind of do the electro pop thing a little bit okay you guys would be a good we're really hitting it we were doing some therapy sessions on this interview and then it was dude he was like have you heavy man he was still in Nashville one of them is yeah the other one isn't um but it was so heavy because i was surprised actually i didn't think it was going to be like that he's like talking about depression and stuff and he's going through a rut right now because you know that's in the interview they'll hear it yeah they'll hear it

yeah i love those guys and i love summer you know for a band that blows up like they had a huge hit doses mimosas huge i probably see this in the revivalist too had a huge hit it was it was that one song to know you okay i didn't know that i could see it in how much pressure it is from everyone else to try to have you make the same song they got you famous the second time around the second time around it's always and it feels like you know it's a mind because you want to progress as a musician but you also need to yeah make that bread and like keep that the lifestyle bread that you made from that first hit it is tempting to write the same thing 25 times though it is so tempting but a lot of people do it van morrison you too all these guys and look what they're at i mean youtube's written

the same song 700 times that's what i mean don YouTube. They're the biggest band in the world. If you don't want to write the same song 25 times and you just want to do it the old-fashioned way, get on the road to the people, you should sign up for Repsy.com. Another one of our sponsors. Bam, these segues are just getting good at it.

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A magician. Tour manager. Maybe a tour manager that wants to be on stage more. Stripper. Do they do stri tour manager that wants to be on stage. Stripper. Do they do strippers? Bo wants to get on stage more. We should sign him up to reps.com. So if you want to be in arts entertainment, if you want to, if you want to book your band or your sign up for reps.com,

Did you see anybody else play it when you're in New Orleans? I ate a whole gummy. I'm kind of stoned right now. I can tell. Cause you just said something completely different than what I asked you. Oh, fuck. It's going to be sick. I'm doing a bunch of cool reviews. Let's conclude this. Cherub is an awesome interview.

I don't want them to be sick of us, sick of 30 minutes of us before they get, they're going to be exhausted after this. You'll cut some stuff out, I'm sure. They're going to be exhausted after this, Nick. It's a lot to digest. I doubt they will. We talked about my father. We did talk about your father. That's cool. We always talk about your mom. It's nice for... What's his name again?

Bruno? Bruno. For some reason, I want to call him Bruce. Bruno. His name is Bruce. He doesn't get... He doesn't go by Bruce. We always talk about your mom. He never gets any love. So shout out to my dad and my mom. It was great to see y'all. We didn't talk roe v wave y'all well yeah and now for an hour on roe v wave guys i'm just kidding i don't think my cum works oh hopefully not we don't need more i

hope not so i think you're the your sisters make some kids yeah they did there we go the bloodline will continue i might adopt what why don't you get a cat first I want to get a cat actually why don't you keep a cactus alive and then we'll go to a plant alright we're gonna have a great week a great one

I'm gonna buy a cactus and I'm gonna learn how to take care of something yeah that will be my okay everyone take care of yourself

give yourself a goal this week yeah something new do something new have fun with it. Want to like get a cactus like Nick suggested. I'm going to get a cactus. I'm going to water that motherfucker.

Can you, do you need to water it? No, that's my whole point. It's the easiest plan to take care of. That was the joke. Oh, I thought you said just like get a plant.

No, it was actually an extreme dig on you. You didn't even get. So, wow. Great. Thanks. Find it. Find it. Find something new.

Try it out. What should I try? I'll try being nice to people. Yeah, being optimistic. I'm not pessimistic. You are. I'm just realistic. No, no.

What's the most pessimistic thing about me? You talk about, oh, I can't even. We're 32 minutes in. I can't. Cut out the first 10. I can't. I can't with you right now. Really? Hold on. You don't think you're pessimistic? I don't want, we're 32 minutes in. I can't. Cut out the first 10. I can't. I can't with you right now. Really?

Hold on. You don't think you're pessimistic? I don't. What do you think pessimistic means? I don't think the worst is going to happen. Do you think reality is pessimistic? No, I just think reality is not great right now. So people, when you say that things are this way.

When was it good? I don't know. Never. So you always think that the glass is half empty. No, it good? I don't know. Never. So you always think that the glass is half empty. No, I just think it's of a glass. I just think

it's a glass of water. I'm not saying it's half empty or half full. I'm just saying there's a glass with water inside of it. That's not pessimistic.

That's observational. God, you are so English. Yeah. That is so just like there's no God. Nothing matters. Yeah. I'm just here.

I wake up and, you know someday all randomly no love exists it's sort of like a chemical in your body that gets released so oh my god that's a tosin why are you my best friend i'm both because someone's got to bounce this out hold on you can't all live on candy canes and dreams over here rainbows and unicorns i'm sorry i don't have a fog machine saxophone with purple lights on it. You know what I mean?

Well, have a great day, Nick. I will, actually. Okay, this is what we're going to do. Everyone's going to have a little goal. I'm going to get a plant. I'm going to get a water plant. I'm going to be an optimist. Everyone's going to get a little...

Yeah, we're going to work on that now. It's apparently I'm a pessimist. I want you to close this opening segment with something optimistic. Just try your hardest. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here we go.

The economy is crashing, which is actually a good thing. Okay, people, I think the housing market might... Oh, my God. How's that pessimistic? That is so dark. No, you just said the world is ending.

No, the world is ending, but the economy is not doing great. The world will never end. I mean, people might die off, but the world will always be here. Hold on, Nick. This is good actually. You cut out the first. Nick, I'm worried about you. Put this at the end. I'm fine. Do you ever

like think about suicide? No. Never. No way. You're never that sad. No, no, no. There's no deep darkness in you. Do you know what optimist nihilism is? No. You're never that sad. You know, dark. There's no deep darkness in you. You know, optimist nihilism is no, that's what I am. I think my view is like nothing matters and this is all random and that's fine. That's whatever, you know what I mean? Doesn't piss me off. It's actually almost better. It would be worse if there was like some magic thing in the sky making this happen. That would be really depressing to me. There's

this guy with all his power and he's using it to do this. And that's called optimism. Have a great week, everyone. We'll see you. We'll see you next week when magic city hippies join the show. What the fuck is wrong with this? I'm just saying if there is a God, he sucks because he's like giving kids cancer and stuff. Wasn't it way more reassuring to think that's random? What are you talking about? I'm talking about existence. You just said that like,

I'm a nihilist. I'm saying I'm an optimist nihilist. You need lows to understand what highs are. Of course. Okay. So there's some things in life that are low and sucks. I'm saying, isn't it better to appreciate we can appreciate the beautiful moments.

That's fine. I agree with that. I'm saying it's much more reassuring to me to think that they are just random, chaotic things that happen in the world and there's some guy simulating a video game and giving little kids, four-year-olds cancer and shit. You think that's more realistic?

I think that's what religion people think it is. It's the same people that are trying to strip women of their rights right now. If I think you're, I think what I'm saying is a lot more optimistic than what you think it is. Nah, no, I realized you're right.

I think everyone should just do whatever the fuck they want to do until they die. You're right. You know, wow. You are optimistic. Yeah. Fuck your genitals off.

Do drugs with you. Wow. I've been wrong. Maybe it Fuck your genitals off. Do drugs with you. Wow. I've been wrong the whole time. Maybe it's just, you need to work on your tone. I like my tone. I don't want to change it. I don't care what people think about me.

It's how I talk. Try to say that same thing with a happy tone. Here we go. It's good that God doesn't exist because when little kids get cancer and car crashes happen and tornadoes wipe out entire towns, it's good to know that that's just a random thing that happened. We're good.

Instead of God randomly, I mean, actually not randomly, choosing people to ruin their lives like some stupid fucking video game. Isn't that better? More happy? Enjoy Cherub, guys. Oh, God. What's wrong with you? Nothing! I'm just...

Alright. What's wrong with you? Nothing! I'm just kidding. All right. Next up on the interview hour, we have Cherub. Yes. I love this band. Chris, play some Cherub while I pimp them out a little bit. Yeah, great band. They live in Nashville.

We've basically grown up together in parallels without even knowing each other. to play the same venues all around the country then they got a big hit with doses and mimosas and then they started taking off and now they're headliners all around the country and i'm proud of them so i think you're gonna really love this interview uh we talk about it all uh mental health addiction um how to keep a fucking band the wave of a band rocking. And I think you're going to really enjoy this one. So ladies and gentlemen, please welcome for another episode of the Summer Camp Music Festival Installation, Cherub. Slow, slow, slow. Yeah. It's time to go slow, slow, slow.

Slow. Hey, boys. Here we are. I'm with Cherub. Let's go. But I first want to talk about you guys. You guys went to Middle Tennessee State. Where is that?

So it's just outside of Nashville, about like 30 minutes outside of nashville um we we met up there freshman year we were both going for music production i i took kind of the van wilder route and stayed for about six and a half years jordan left a little bit earlier than I did, but eventually started making some music, started going on tour enough to the point where I then left school. We moved up to Nashville and it's been history ever since. Hold on. Go back. Before we hear Jordan's story about this, go back to this Van Wilder. What were you doing? Why did it take six and a half years? What, what were you getting into drugs? I was having a good time, man. I was having a good time.

Just pussy and music, huh bud? Or what? I was working on campus, booking all the shows on campus and stuff. I, uh, once our, our manager at, at now our current manager, Ryan H he left school we were all good buddies from day one he graduated left and so i took over his job booking all the concerts on campus and at that point i was just having a good time so i just hung out for a while let's fucking go what about what about you jordan what what what's your story out there and why did it take you only four and a half years instead of six and a half? Well, neither one of us have a degree, just to clarify.

Oh, so you're just partying in the college town? Look, I never was a fan of school, and it just was a personal thing. I'm not anti-school by any means or college, but just for me personally, I really only went because it was presented to me like that was the only option to make money. So the school we went to was one of the only programs that offered a bachelor's degree. Every other place was full sale and all that was associate's degree so so that was my choice to go there and within the first year i knew i was like fuck this you were i just i just knew it was not my shit like i i thought maybe since it was music oriented that it would be cool but i was just over it immediately so So anyways. Were you on the Dean's list? Yeah, I did good. I mean, I tried.

Hell yeah. Hold on. I love it. If I'm going to pay out-of-state tuition and fucking, I mean, I think I spent $20,000 in the short time I was there. So it was like, i tried and i um did decent but yeah it wasn't rewarding to me at all the only thing i got out of that was meeting jason meeting hug you know meeting our core group of people that make the whole machine of chair

work so but yeah i i i immediately knew i wanted to drop out when I got there the first year, bro. It is pretty epic that we're still working with all of our homies from day one back in school and everything. We're still all together today. It's pretty cool. Yeah. How important is loyalty to you guys? Loyalty? I think that's one of the most important character traits and in someone ever i think i think being loyal wow okay this is gonna be a good one i think being loyal and

honest are like super important man especially in the music industry but like in life in general you know you know it's like you talk about like you guys were friends before you even played music together like what brought you all together to feel like all right this these guys are simpatico with my soul you know all that hippie stuff we're talking about and then what made you push to the next level to being a band um me and jason didn't really think about it that hard and now now 10 years later now 10 years later you're kind of like asking this me and jason you know it was like a yin and yang thing i i was making the music and but i didn't know how to perform it live jason knew how to take the songs and turn it into a

two-man band you know um and that was a complete mystery to me. So that was our balance. And Jason's a really good dude. Like, I just like to say Jason's a solid guy, wears his heart on his sleeve. Yeah. I mean, if I was there, I'd give you a kiss, you know, but, but, you know, we just never really thought about it much further than you and me can work together to make this work. And since then, it's worked. Yeah. And I guess we didn't I guess we didn't really like make big, lofty plans and schedules at the beginning either. It was just there is that core group of friends.

We called it the fifth floor family. We all like we're all the music students all together and we're all just fucking around making music like when jordan and i started doing this we were just throwing parties in our buddy's kitchen you know i guess we didn't have huge huge uh uh we weren't putting all these constraints on it or thinking too big at first and And I think it just made it, it helped it be really natural as things came together, you know? So a couple months, a couple months down the road, we realized we're like, oh shit, we're in a car driving across the country to go play these shows. This is pretty cool. And yeah, kind of haven't stopped since. Yeah. You know, it's funny, like, you know,

like why do we put so much pressure on music you know like the minute we stop putting pressure on it the minute we're having fun the minute we're all sudden in a van with our boys traveling the world you know playing the music you know it's like was that your philosophy the whole time you know just just have fun with it or did you guys have a plan you you really have to you really have to go for broke like for real like i didn't have a plan you you really have to you really have to go for broke like for real like I didn't have a plan B you know what I mean yeah I didn't have and and I think for a lot of people they don't understand that concept like if you really are passionate about something though the going for broke part when you're like in an Xterra with your buddy sleeping like and

potentially might shit your pants cuz you don't have... You know what I'm saying? That concept is... That was a weird night. Hold on. I want to hear about that. Finish your thought. Finish your thought, Jordan, and we'll go over that.

But the struggle of all that shit is fucking great. You don't think about how... Now, at age 34, I don't want to like sleep on everyone's couches after a show and wait till 6 a.m for the party to die down before i can crash you know while i'm coming down off fucking ecstasy or whatever i took that night now at this point i'm chilling i like enjoy my 11 p.m bedtime and shit you know i'm like there with it but but that whole that whole uh

struggle to just kind of carelessly and it's also a uh super big um the opportunity to get to like be carefree and do all that shit is i'm grateful for it because we really were first two years we were we were broke as fuck and but at no point were we like damn let's just fuck this shit we were like let's keep going man cuz the love was real you know yeah totally and you know those first two years when you're broke as fuck you're probably the happiest because you're not thinking about anything else but living in the moment it 100% well why the next two years are pretty cool too but you know the next two years were pretty cool too but you know that's yeah i mean the next two

years y'all were making money and popping let's we'll talk about that a little bit but like in retrospect what did you like better you know when there's pressure you're making money or did you like it when there was carefree and having fun they both had their pros and cons for me i don't know about you jason but like i i enjoyed the dynamic of both scenarios yeah i i wouldn't trade a minute of it for the world you know that those first those first formative years is when i think you really keyed the term the unfuckwithable where you were like man as long as as long as you and i are on the same page where you were like, man, as long as as long as you and I are on the same page, the world could be burning around us, but, you know, we'll just we'll keep going. We'll keep going. We'll keep doing our thing.

And, you know, we're good. We've we've got what we're trying to do and where we're trying to go. So that's all we really need. I thought you came up with that term. Oh, I thought you did. Now, that's your that's your that's your go-to interview term when people ask about us is the unfuckable. That's yours. You unfuck with the bull. So all right, then when was...

You might have actually said it once and then maybe I picked it up from you. I don't know. Well let's go Dave Chappelle on this. When the unfuckable goes wrong give us a story when you guys thought that the unfuckable was gonna be unfuckable in the oh shit here we go no um me and Jason have gotten and we hit we bitch at each other it we're like record yeah no I still don't think I said that, but. Hold on, what happened there? What happened there? Jason, we were recording music in LA one time and he says that I said, shut the fuck up and press record during a session. And I don't remember. I'm a little sensitive, you know? And so I had had a moment it was the first time i cried in front of

you that was like a that was a big one for us that was we had quite the uh bonding moment there on on the roof in la over sunset it was beautiful yeah honestly andy before before i met jason i wasn't too comfortable with my emotions right and uh i don't know i don't know how how you were raised but the way i was raised by my dad it's just like you don't express them that like really cliche like macho manship yeah suppress suppress suppress suppress put deep down deep down just keep it deep down um and jason you know another thing like i'll give jason kudos for it's like he taught me to without teaching me just by how he is you know like it's okay to just completely let it out and it doesn't it doesn't mean it's not like a weakness at all it's just like

it's kind of gonna make you weaker if you keep it in so So yeah, it was the first time Jason cried in front of me, made me uncomfortable as fuck. But then second time, a little bit better. Third time, a little bit better. And then, you know, now I don't mind at all. And now we enjoy just hugging it out, man. Let's fucking go. My dude Jason's sensitive. I love this shit.

Let's go, dawg. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, guys. Yo, I want to talk about that a little bit, Jason. What made you cry? Was it the importance of the record or was it the importance of the partnership you guys have together? What made you feel that way? A hundred percent. The important of the partnership, the record we were making, there was nothing wrong with it. It was dope. It came out super dope. You know, it's everything was all good. It was just, yeah, we hit a point of stress in between us and I am one to wear my heart on my sleeve. So I probably said every word I was feeling at the moment and then like 1500 more and just like babble it all out at once and by the end of

it i'm you know got the my huber family waterworks going and oh man uh yeah then then instead of just holding shit in we we we hit a breakthrough you know it ended up being a positive thing for us and that's it kind of goes back to that concept of the unfuck with the bull like as long as we've never really held shit in between us we always just try to immediately air it out and it makes for a much healthier working relationship and also just a personal bro to bro relationship no a good better bro relationship yeah right you know like with the idea it's us against the world if you can't be vulnerable to the homie that you're going against the world with who are you going to be vulnerable with you know yeah when we it's it's

us our our guitars are our swords and we're going out there to fight the dragon and we uh we get to do that together you know it's pretty awesome I love that dragon sword sword thing that was sick yeah I've been hanging out in the metaverse too much man how does the songwriting process work when you guys don't live next to each other um well the the songwriting process has always been pretty much like and this isn't major this is a majority of the time it's not all like all all the time um but a lot of it starts with me just working on loops and reason and then writing lyrics to it and getting like a basic structure down and then fleshing it out later with jason and nick who is the other he's like he's like the secret third member that um would make most of the music with

with us so the sixth man in a basketball team what's that the sixth Sixth Man. Yes, The Sixth Man. That's dope. What about... Say, how many records do you guys have now? Like full out... Yeah, full LPs and EP releases. How many do you guys think you've worked together on?

We counted this up. Hold on. I can get a number. Man of the Hour, 100 Bottles, Mom and Dad. We have like eight. Hug wrote down the discography the other day. Let me look. Really? Just the other day? Man of the Hour, Mom and Dad, 100 Bottles, Year of the Caprese, Leftovers, Legal Piss Excellence, Gummo Season, DJ BJ's Faves, and then there was that handful of singles. So that's like-

Holy- Y'all motherfuckers are working! Eight or nine. Let's fucking go! It's been a good decade, you know? It's good. You know, it's really crazy. It's crazy to think about summing up a decade of time which

is such a huge chunk of time in your life and then looking at the music that's put out because see i look at the music that got put out and i'm like damn we could have put out way more like i was a lazy motherfucker what you know what was don't maybe just lack of inspiration and motivation i mean i'm still in a space right now dude where i'm just not writing anything just like every day i'm like maybe i'll make a song today and then i'm like nah fuck that what what do you think triggering that in your head uh I don't know, man. Probably just life changes. Maybe just being lost in general.

I mean, I in general am okay right now, but I feel lost. But overall, I'm okay with just kind of grooving with it. But Jason knows. I mean, me and Jason have both been in a weird place. We're in our mid-30s now. Things were really popping for us in our mid-20s to late-20s. And it hasn't been like a shitty decline, but we plateaued, we signed, and now we're not on a major label anymore.

So I think we're in a place where we're just trying to figure out what's important to us. And obviously, music is a huge part of our identities. And so, um, you know, we went from playing shows four or five days out of the week to, you know, we're doing two shows a month maybe or something. So it's just about, it's just about adjusting and yeah. Do you ever go to therapy? Yeah, no, but that's a great question. I mean, I do think going to therapy would be good.

My brother's been doing therapy and he loves it. And I know talking to somebody wouldn't hurt. I've just started trying it out and I like it. Oh, Jason, you are going to therapy? Yeah. What have you learned from it, Jason, so far? far uh i i don't know yet i mean maybe maybe just the fact that it's cool you know it's i think that was a a huge thing to learn just in the beginning you know yeah um as as a 33 year old dude approaching it for the first time it's almost once you get over the hump you can kind of look back

and laugh and be like wow this is great you know i don't know yeah i i agree man i mean i've been doing it too for i've been doing it for 15 years or 14 years now and you know the the ups and downs of it it's no one's gonna understand it you know especially when you feel like yeah you have it's it's such a weird fucking daydream we do in this in this thing we we think about this music all year and then all of a sudden it's tour season and that tour flies by and all of a sudden you're like oh i had too much fun i forgot to write the next record or the pressure of like you know like you know i i i you. There's, there's so many stories like this where a major label drops you.

And it's like, you feel like you have an identity crisis when really the music industry is fucked up and they're not making money anyway. So they're just like, fuck these guys. Don't let them give you an identity crisis just because they fucking get me started. No, let's go. I'm ready to talk about this because this is bullshit because it's not, they don't understand that them dropping us,

they think it's a financial thing too, but it leaves scars in our creativity that we feel like, oh, is our new music not good enough? Are we not good enough? Should we go back to what we wrote four years ago? I mean, that affects the musician moving forward am i wrong about this yeah i mean that that was honestly us going independent um after the major label was a really liberating feeling for us um i think and and we had a we did have we had a great run um with the label uh we all have good

feelings towards each other towards the experience you know it's it by no means we actually really really lucked out in in the way the whole thing went down um but with that said i think we spent a lot of time uh taking all of our new creativity, everything that we are, you know, creating everything we are putting ourselves into and comparing it to something from the past and putting everything, forcing it through that framework.

And it ended up really, yeah, it did, you know, it affected us. It affected the way that we created affected the way that we were looking at at things and and ended up almost like passing on stuff because it didn't fit into this framework and you know that was that that wasn't where

our priorities would have started creatively you know I think we would have been a little bit quicker to get weird on stuff, you know, and not been holding stuff back. And I don't know. And I don't think things would have gone that different. But I think that we would have been a little bit more us if we weren't trying to compare everything to that. Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, I'm dancing around it. If we weren't comparing everything to

doses and mimosas, then I think we would have, you know, kind of stretched our legs a little bit more and in the process, not second guessed ourselves as much. And I don't think it, you know, made us into a completely different us, like not ourselves, but I do think that it was that second guessing ourselves in the process that ended up just like it wears on you, you know? And when you look at the music industry, the music industry, as we talk about it and, and where those priorities come from,

even the concept of the charts the billboard charts and stuff like that they're created back in the day so that way there was a ranking system so that it it kind of creates this competition and stuff and why are musicians and artists in competition with each other we should all just be stoked and partying, you know? I don't think there needs to be a first place, second place, third place. I think that we should all just, you know, why can't we all just get along? It's utopian, but shit, it makes a lot of sense to me. Petty breath.

Yeah, well, I mean, you talk to some of our friends now, like Prob Cause. He's really been blowing my mind with some of the stuff that he's been sharing with me. This concept of 100 true fans. The way it all works as we know it says that you have to have millions and millions and millions of people streaming your music for fractions of a cent to be able to pay your bills and survive. But if you completely break that and you think about 100 true fans or even 10 true fans that really fuck with you and just want to hear what you have to share and will support and you know you don't necessarily need that large large mass of people and then because you're addressing it in a different way you don't have to force your creativity into these boxes that's it's the only way to get there You can just be you and explore and have fun and be creative.

And it's just a liberating way of thinking about it. And when he kind of shared this with me, I had like a moment. Yeah. Yeah. Pro causes. Yeah. Keep going, Jordan. What you got?

Go ahead. He's a smart dude. I was going to say, I was going to say before we veer too far far off going back to the major label thing you gotta sh i want to shout out uh justin eshop because he was our a r they got us on and he never shelved any of our music he never did any of that cliche that you hear horror stories about with artists where they sign you and then then they sign you for a song and then you don't do the sales that they want. Then they're like, cool, we're going to keep you on, but just keep making music until we find something we like and then we'll put it out.

Then he spelled everything else. He just didn't Justin Eashak, he was a man of his word and when we left Columbia, we were still able to put out music independently and we weren't like in this weird place where we couldn't put anything out. Cause we were still under some sort of dumb contract. So shout out to him for like actually doing what he said he's going to do when he signed us.

And, uh, he's still a good dude. He's crushing it now. Still. Um, and he still hits us up too. Let's clap to him boys. yeah let's go let's go um anyways i just had a no i that brings up a good

point you know is you know i think an a r is kind of like a fathering or mothering thing for an artist is right is the idea of the a and r and it does it still exist in in the music industry in 2022 that's a good question man i think if you're still looking to get fathered into a major label then that is the middleman not middleman but that's who's gonna get you there but if you're gonna approach the music industry now being like we don't need major labels we have the internet we have the access to independently put things out i mean you really don't need somebody to come out to your shows and be like you know what you got it let me let me take you to the next level kid you know like you don't need that anymore so i mean

it's really it's really what you're what are you going for do you want do you want to go with that traditional um approach of like starting off indie and then getting on a huge label and then hopefully having that magnify your career or are you like fuck all major labels i'm gonna do it myself because do that if you're that approach you don't need you don't need that right exactly you know let's talk about let's talk about summer camp those i feel like i've seen you guys just like you know you big g that midwest world summer camp is was kind of a pivotal festival for you guys in a way and for you to come back how's how's it feel well that one man yeah it's it's it's personally my favorite festival because just kicking it with Ian and in

let you know we just were able to kind of just be wild boys there and to the fullest extent. And like he always we're always. So it's so nice to just have homies run such fucking dope events. And all of our sets have just always been so much fun there. And, you know, like the year prior, we had. Well, what was it, 2018? We had DJ Paul out with us and then 20 whichever the last one was i'm my ears are all scrambled now but like

we had to cancel our set because of co-bid i got coven and i i got i mean before too it sucked yeah yeah so i mean so i mean this year i'm so stoked because we finally get to play it and um yeah it'll just be fun meeting up and hanging out with everybody and i don't know just chilling man yeah i've i've been going to summer camp since before we were playing it too so like yeah i'm i've i've been a huge fan of that place and now you know getting to play it it's just it makes it all that much better that's awesome well shout out to ian thanks for booking cherub let's go let's go let's go thank you mr goldberg hey my god

ian just took me scuba diving for the first time down in Cozumel. He fucking loves doing that. It's fucking amazing. I was too scared to do it. Was it fun? I am hooked. It is, yes. Okay, tell me about it.

What did you like about scuba diving? What were the feelings? What did you like? I became a fucking fish man. It was awesome. It was the dopest thing in the world. I like, once you're down there and you figure out how to regulate your breath to like go up and down and be, boy, I don't know. I was just, it's something I've always wanted to do.

And it was, it's so cool that the promoter and owner of one of our favorite festivals also happens to have a dive shop down in Cozumel so I I hit him up for recommendations about like where I should go out to eat and he's like oh we're down here so me and my girlfriend got to go out and go diving with Ian while we were down there it was yeah it's he's just a rad dude that does cool stuff and he brings in all of his friends and all the family around him and it's just like yeah it's cool to be a rad dude that does cool stuff and he brings in all of his friends and all the family around him and it's just like yeah it's cool to be a part of that that's the beautiful he's a cool guy yeah and thanks for taking me scuba diving oh yeah let's go one more one more time for you let's go let's go let's go let's go you know it's so funny because you know a lot of promoters get bad raps

you know about like just oh they're just about the money. They're about the fucking. Yeah. Then there's promoters out there like Ian, like Don Strasberg, like dude to really care about the Scott Morrill from Cervantes. You know him, Scott Morrill? Mm hmm. That's my dude. But like, you know, it gives you hope that there's actually good people out there in the music industry, you know?

And I think there is, man. I think, like you said, like promoters sometimes and just the industry in general gets a bad rap for being shady. And there is a lot of people that are really cutthroat and obviously get into it for the wrong reasons, man. You know, because it's like, if you really get into it it for music then you wouldn't be tripping over money issues and money really is at the end of the day what causes all the shady i know you know so you know i think that there's a lot of people that get into it just for the love of music and with that mindset it's like you're only wanting to see people grow and that's what it should be all about but you can always you can always tell who those who those like real good people are because you can always see them

out at the show yeah they're not just they're not just backstage they're not just in the office actually like go out and hang out and watch the music and enjoy it and that's like you know the people that are in it for those reasons are the people that we want to with yeah you got god it's so funny you know you're in the music industry because you like music yeah who the fuck you know i got a question for you but i know you guys we're running out of time here i know you guys are busy but um i got a couple more questions i can do this i can do this with you as long as you go we're gonna be friends I'm gonna get your number from Jeremy if that's cool we're gonna

get into time please do are you are you your base in LA right bro I grew up in LA I live in Denver now oh okay okay where are you guys you guys in Nashville still there where you guys live yeah we guys in Nashville still? Or where do you guys live? Yeah, we're in Nashville. Well, I'm in Nashville. You are... Well, I'm currently in LA with my brother, but I'm considering Thailand where I'm staying up because that's where I'm trying to set roots. Not like Ruth's Roots, but that's where I'm trying to spend the majority of my time.

I just came back from three months there to do some shows with Jay Swan. And then I'll come back in July for, um, a show we're playing in Denver, actually. We're going to be in Denver. Where? But,

but, uh, Fillmore. Oh, hell yeah. Who you toured with? Is it at the Fillmore? I thought it was up in the mountains.

No, I thought it was at the Fillmore in Denver. Oh, cool. Even better. I fucking love it. You guys don't even know where you're playing. You said, just fucking just book us, baby. Let's go. Sign me up, man. Hold on. Did you- Dude, honestly- George, did you say you were going to move to Thailand? Did I hear that right? Well, I've been going to Thailand for a while now, and I

just came back from there. I went in January, and I just came back from there. Where'd you stay? We spend a lot of time, we play a lot of time, we play in Asia a bunch. Oh, fuck yeah. So, well, most of my time has been in Bangkok.

Yeah, but I've been spending more time in chiang mai and i think that's where i'm gonna end up trying to stay for most of the years in chiang mai is chiang mai south like near raleigh raleigh no no it's up north up no i'm thinking crabby i'm thinking of crabby yeah yeah correct yeah yeah so it's right by chiang my's in the mountains right by like myanmar and stuff you ever accidentally almost like fuck a lady boy um i haven't accidentally fucked a lady boy i have the lady yeah yeah how was it um it was an experience i mean i've only done it once and to be honest it was because i had always wanted to experiment a little bit in that sense and uh why the not while i'm in thailand you know

when in rome and uh you haven't told me this story yet i'm not really i love it give it to me give us the world exclusive you away i want i want i want some deets dude i'm really not like honestly man i think i think it's important to just say. If people want to explore their sexuality, they should, because why? Like, why not, man? Like, yeah, that's why I'm all excited for some deets. There's all this labeling that gets put on it. Like there was all these questions in my head.

It's like, OK, if I'm fucking someone that looks like a lady, but it's a guy, is that gay that gay like what does that technically make it but it's like who cares at the end of the day you know what it is just um but yeah i i did do that one time on this last trip and for me personally i probably won't do it again but i'm glad i experienced it. Yeah. Well, let's go fucking find your sexuality, big dog. Let's go. Yeah. You know, I can't believe I didn't tell you, Jason. I forgot to tell you that. No, no, I'm just I'm congratulations for exploring you.

But thanks, man. And technically, I didn't fuck the lady boy. The lady boy fucked me. And technically, technically, I'm trying so hard. They still say ladyboys so much in thailand but it's not is that like not supposed to say that's not what you're supposed to say what are you supposed to say well no it's still it's still very common to say but now a lot of the the transgender women over there are catching on to like the western thing where it's like

oh i'm transgender i'm not a ladyboy but it's still so cool. That's cool. Yeah, it's very common. That's why I was saying that we went to a transgender bar. Let's be more appropriate now. It's 2022. We went to a transgender bar and I brought my whole band there. They didn't know it was all transgenders and it was the best thing ever. Because, you know, it's like, then you just like, when you stop thinking about like, oh, I'm not gay, so I'm not going to go for this and just like go for someone with their personality and who they are as a person, I mean, that's the best. That's the best gift in life, you know, when you're not judging right away. I know it's like thinking it's it i was thinking about

it's like when you see someone that's attractive do you think they're super attractive only because they're a girl or only because it's like no you just find that person attractive and it just appreciate that you don't need a i think it's great that y'all went to a a transgender bar because some of those girls are looking better than the girl the girl i mean not to knock the some of those girls were hot as i'm like oh my god i was like yeah bro i was you know it's like i you know i was tempted well you know at the at the end of the day man it's like it's whatever you're comfortable with and like like i said i mean i think exploring your because i was just thinking about it it's shit man what if i didn't do that and i would be

questioning it and then say i later on in life get married or whatever and then 20 years later i'm with my wife being like you know what i think i want to fuck a you know i want to explore like i think it's important to explore your sexuality, man. I agree. And know what you want. Know what turns you on, what turns you off, what feels right to you and what doesn't. Because why not, dude? Why the fuck not? Why not? You know, we're only getting older.

And you never know when it's your turn to leave the party. That is true. Yeah. You never know when it's your turn to leave the party. So we might as well just keep that cockroach mentality alive, baby. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Cockroach.

Cockroach. I like cockroach. You know, you talk about that too, but it's like, you know, even like sexuality is just one part of finding yourself, you know, like it's that idea of like when you get beat up and when you get fucking fall on your face and you feel like you just are fucking useless you need moments of clarity to find yourself again whatever if it's sex if it's love if it's writing music with people you knew are just throwing curveballs at your creative process you know the most important thing is we keep developing and keep growing as people. Do you agree? Yeah.

And it's good to remind yourself that it's okay to keep finding new parts of yourself. You don't have to find something and be like, oh, no, that's not me. It's like, yeah, they're supposed to continuously. And it's okay that you haven't found that before yet, too. It's a good thing. Yeah. I agree. I's a good thing. Yeah. I agree. I agree wholeheartedly with this. I think growth is necessary until you die.

And then who knows what's next. Well, Jason, Jordan, I hope we all don't die until we get to hang out with each other. Because I got to hang out with motherfuckers. We got to. This is happening. Why is it taking this long? I don't know, but i feel embarrassed summer camp let's do it let's get it in that i'm coming over i'm coming to nashville boys we're i'm no

i yeah book a play let's do it we're going we're going out there and we're going to get to know each other let's do it hell yeah go to the bar we'll get some cocktails it'll be a good time let's be friends because i have a feeling we are simpatico and everyone's told us we are simpatico. Now I get to feel this shit. We're already friends. Let's just get the real hang of it. We're going to blow loads all over this

goddamn world, baby. Let's go. You saying that right there lets me know we're going gonna fucking get blown low being cockroaches you didn't think cockroaches come well they do buddy

let's go well now you know Jason Jordan thanks for being part of the show I can't wait to see you at summer camp this is gonna be awesome getting to hang out there and whatnot. And I got one last question, you know,

through all the ups and downs of this career, of your friendship, of, you know, finally opening up and, you know, calling your bandmate a bitch or something, whatever that happened in the studio, that, you know, that made us cry and made us wake up to see oh yeah, we are family.

Through all this stuff, these ups and downs, what do you guys want to be remembered by? Wow, I don't know. I never thought about that, I guess, yet. Individually and as a band. Individually and as a band. Individually and as a band. We'll start there. Individually first. Oh, individually first.

Can I do the band one first? Because that one's easy for me. As what I've done with Cherub so far, personally, I just want to be remembered as putting out what was authentic to me at the time i never i never strived to put out something that i thought was gonna fit into what was hot or what was you know going on i just was making music that sounded good to me and so it was a completely selfish endeavor and i'm just grateful that people were able to also enjoy it and support it

and let us keep doing our thing. So for me, I just want to be remembered with the cherub thing is being my authentic self with it, you know? Yeah. Um, but for individual individually, how I want to be remembered, just, I'm just going to keep it simple. I just want to be remembered as like a good dude. I don't really want to get to like, just, just like somebody where if people like reminisce on times with me, I want to be like, yeah, I had a great time with him and he was a real dude. That's that's it. Let's fucking go.

Let's fucking go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Oh yeah. What about you? Big dog. Yeah. yeah. Let's go. Oh, yeah. Fucking beautiful. What about you, big dog? Yeah, I mean, same sort of thing. I just like leaving people feeling good, personally,

leaving people with good feelings. And as far as our music, I hope that it can be a little bookmark for people in their lives, for whatever it may be, you know, when they might think back on either a concert or a song or something like that. I think it's cool that we get to be a part of them. You know, it either takes them to a memory or if they think of a memory and it might be associated with that, like that's just a cool thing for me to think about. So it's something I really

appreciate. Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but you've, I've put on your song via sex many times. So I'm going to clap it up for you guys for letting me come as well. Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. Let's go. Making that love music boys, making that love music. Champ, we'll see you soon. I love it. I can't wait to get to know you even better. I'm going to get your phone numbers. I'm going to start sending you dick pics. This is our new friendship.

Let's go. There we go. Boys, do you have a new record coming out? What's going on? Are you guys writing? Are you in the studio? What's going on? We kind of talked about this. Oh, you haven't been making shit uh no we we um we don't really have anything new i mean we we're gonna have some new music coming out eventually but there's nothing where we can be like definitive date you know the past couple

months we've we've done some really cool shit where we put out some beer collab releases with Southern Grist in Nashville. We got the vinyl Doses and Mimosas, the re-recording of it coming out soon. So people can look for that. But as far as new music, it'll come soon. It's just no date yet. Well, I'm going to pump you up one more time don't even put a time mark on it baby you take your time

we don't need you stressing over this I want you to be in your most fucking open vessel possible so you can write the best fucking music you can ever fucking write okay boys thank you let's fucking go let's fucking go

alright guys well have a great day. Nice to meet you. Until next time, and we'll talk soon, boys. Yeah, dude. Appreciate you. Much love, man. Thanks for having us. Cheers.

Thanks for making the day. You started the day off right. Thank you, bro. Let's go. We're going to have a better day. Even better. Let's go. All right.

See you at summer camp, boys. Later. See you there. Much love, man. Later, bro. Later. Are you doing good? Yeah, I'm great. Yeah. I got a show next week. Everyone can come to. Oh yeah. This week. Brian wants me to push shows before we do this. Let me plug mine first. I'm playing it. Ophelia is on Friday. It's free. That's

it. The Coltet. It's me warmly. Where's Ophelia is for people in Denver. You know where it is. If you're going to go, you already know where it is. It's free. It's at seven 30. Come out. It's my birthday and it's your birthday. It's my birthday. I didn't want to talk about being my birthday though. You're getting older, buddy. How old are you? I don't remember. 23. I'll be 24 on my birthday.

Does getting older scare you? No. Why would it? You know, God, I want to be this loose. Because, like, who gives a shit? There's nothing you can do about it. I know. I feel like I'm aging pretty good compared to a lot of other people.

I want to be that loose. The key is, I think, don't have kids that ages you hard and don't have the exact lifestyle that you have. We're going to have a good week, though. What are your shows that you have to push? Oh, yeah. Summer Camp.

That's your next show? You don't have Angel Summer Camp that weekend? I got two weeks off. Arise. I'm going to Lake Powell for a week. For my birthday, you're going to make sure you're out of town for my birthday, huh? I was leaving the day after so I could celebrate with you. I'm just kidding.

It's fine. Your birthday's on the 18th. I leave the 20th. My birthday's on the 20th. That's your birthday party. No, my actual birthday's the 20th. Oh my God. Friday the 20th.

Oh, I'm gone. Yeah, it's all right. Well, we're going to have your birthday party on the 18th. Okay. Just me and you. Okay. Silent room. Fucking perfect. Two plates. I might get food. Might just be two empty plates. Probably actually what everyone thinks my ideal birthday party is. It is us staring. I love like from this podcast, people think I'm this like dark, like can we have conversation via text message? Yeah. But in the same room, you're actually

easier to talk to over text. I mean, mean I agree you get more like you understand what the other person I'm better at communicating via text through writing it out oh 100% you can barely listen to people when they talk to you and respond to what they're saying Bo Yeah, I got both deals. I'm running. I'm running fumes. Yeah, I know. It's fun to pick on you though. You know, going back to the fucking trolls one more time. This is the haters.

This guy, was there more trolls? I got it. I got a couple screenshots of the same dude saying I, Andy Frasco smoked me out. What do you mean? Like I gave him a bun. I gave some dudes a joint. I was like by myself smoking.

He's like, claim up to me. He's like, Hey, Frasco smoked me out. Um, and he said, it was like saying some bullshit. He's like, is he a simp? It seems like a simp. Okay. I actually know this cause I'm a dork and I don't know anything. A simp is like the exact opposite of what you are.

A simp is sort of like a guy who's like sort of like a pick-me guy with girls. He'll do anything to make a girl like them. Really? If you're in the friend zone, you're probably a simp. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Can you like go on Urban D and put a pull up simp? It's sort of like, just like a lame dude. Who's like sort of white nighty, you know what, you know, like for women, Oh, like he

goes out of his way to like, sort of like a virtual, they might virtue signal a lot for women too. They're not, you don't want to be a simp. It's very like lame to be a simp, but you don't, you're not a simp simp i mean he's calling me a simp because yeah there you go he's calling me a simp because um i gave him weed because someone who does way too much for a person they like but usually it's about i don't even know this guy usually it's for like a man trying to get a girl but that's so stupid why would he make fun of you for giving him weed? Yeah. I don't want a gift and they still troll you. Yeah. What's the second one, sir? Ben is a major simp for ditching us for those hosts. That's exactly what a simple, you're not a simple at all.

You're like the opposite. I wasted some family time with my dad. So I get high with his kid. I don't fucking know. Yeah. You've yeah. You've definitely, if any way thing, you're the other way. You're the SIP bitch for anything. Your bros before hoes. You're the SIMP. Yeah. Bitch. You sent bitch Simpson. I'll see you at summer camp because this is a summer camp edition. Where do you live? Springfield. You SIP simple ass bitch. Probably gets no bitches. I don't know. He was, he was like being, I don't know. I can't remember. It was like a lot of people came up to me at the Ryman show, but I do remember.

Oh yeah. By the way, I'm super famous. Just want to toss that in there real quick. No, no, no, no. Just I'm trying to, I know, but it makes me sound like a simp. You're not a simp. I'm not a simp. They're walking up to you. How are you a simp? That's what I'm fucking saying. God. I mean, you might be a streamer after sim. You're not a sim. I'm not a sim. They're walking up to you. How are you a sim? That's what I'm fucking saying. God, I mean, you might be a sim. These trolls are after me.

They're watching me. I'm not saying you don't like it. I do like them watching me. I can't wait till you get famous enough that I get more trolls. I have some already, but they're like dumb. They're all dumb. I want smarter ones to challenge me.

All right, we gotta go. We can't just be talking like this all for 25 minutes. People love it actually. Every week I get a message about how I'm their favorite person on earth. I'm the best. End of March. Boone, Colorado.

Then I fly to Virginia, uh, rooster walk. And then I fly. That's all one weekend. That's the end of March, wherever we are. May.

Then, and then the weekend after that, the first week of June weekend of June, we're in Atlanta, Lafayette, Louisiana, and St. Augustine, Florida Cold War kids, Cold War kids on in Lafayette pools, fool's paradise, Cunha's event, fucking sick festival with lettuce and whatnot. And then, um, I think I'm Chandler park with Grace Potter. Oh, sick. That'd be fun. And then we have two weeks off and then it's Bonnaroo Bonnaroo, which we are the podcast of that's going to be the next one. We just had a King gizzard. I think you're headlining Bonnaroo, right? No, you're farther down. Okay. Shut

the fuck up. Then we fly to, to support Umphrey's McGee during Denver, Denver at the red rocks. Oh, and I'm doing the after party for that. Everyone come to that new conscious with Andy Oval and Sean Eccles in the band or just, no, just Andy.

Okay. I couldn't afford Sean. He's expensive these days. And then what else? Then, then the week after that, that's good enough for now. That's good enough for now.

Cause we do a podcast every week. These days. That was hard. Uh, just, despite all those gigs come see me no feel you next friday it's free you tuned in to the world's favorite podcast with andy fresco and thank you for listening to this episode produced by andy fresco joe angelo and chris lawrence we need you to help us save the world and spread the word please subscribe rate the show give us those crazy stars itunes spotify wherever you're picking this shit up follow us on instagram at world saving podcast for more info and updates fresco's blogs and tour dates you'll find at

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