Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 176: Goth Babe

Episode Date: June 14, 2022

Listen in to part 3 of our Bonnaroo series in which we highlight artists performing at one of the world's greatest festivals... this week we got fellow musical road dog Griff Washburn, aka Goth Babe! Uncover some old truths with a slight sprinkling of dark secrets. Also, updates from the band. Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Puff Break (Believe That)" on iTunes, Spotify  Sick and also Tight music @ www.gothbabemusic.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker

Andy Fresco! Todd Glass. Wow. I have an idea for a song. I never do that to you. You know, people say, Todd, I have an idea for a joke. I'm like, oh, fuck.

But why can't people be excited about, not only okay with it, it's so boring. Oh, I'm okay with the transgender thing. Some people, it doesn't annoy them. But why can't people be excited about it? You should look at it that way. This is just one slice of the sexual fucking revolution. The non-binary or the transitioning.

There are two huge slices of it if i wasn't except people should be excited about it oh i'm glad i'm young enough i'm glad i can join in and enjoy this fucking revolution of shredding the confines of what we can fucking do you can be a straight straight white male and still benefit by shredding the confines of what we're supposed to do and where and why and it's all taught to us i know some friends that it doesn't bother them or be like we'll point out the problems they have with it maybe you have time to point out the problems because you're not seeing the big wonderful great part of it. You should be stoked to be able to be a part of it, not fight it. You can start

the song with that speech and then you just come right in with the horns and say, I got something here. Put some music to this. Do something for me. Woo! On that fucking game today. What's up, Nick?

Hi, I'm here. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. My co-host, my fearless co-leader, Nicholas Goa. I don't want to be your co-leader. I'm more like just... I feel like we're a team. We are a team, but you're more important than me,

and I'm okay with that, and that's how you make a good team. You have a clear leader who knows they're in charge. Well, God... god i missed you sidemen like me are valuable because we know we're not the leader if you need me to be the leader for 10 minutes here and there i can do that you're like you're helping us with our patreon let's go we got a patreon i don't have a copy for it you wrote a bunch of copy for it yeah you okayed it already we are setting up a patreon and it's almost done right yeah i have pretty much done i just gotta i

finished my first content for it actually we have all the first week's content yeah all right cool i was thinking we put that out as like a gift to to track signing up yeah like maybe like put especially just to attract people to it a little bit. Here's what you get, you know? Speaker 2, so sign up for our Patreon when it's ready. Speaker 0, how was your weekend? It was good. I had a bunch of great shit. Um, you know, I played a lot of shows and then also, um, Speaker 2, paradise looked fun. It's all my friends. I like, I leave for the Boston Celtics game tomorrow. I know. What are you going to wear? You can't not. Speaker 0, I bought a Lakers. Like you might get

physically assaulted if you were the wrong thing. It's also kind of fucking petty Boston. And yeah, this is a chance to win. It's petty. Oh, okay. I thought you were saying they'd be petty. No, no. It's petty of me to like roll in there and like, yeah, that's so take the fame when they're in a championship game. It's petty. Your team didn't even make the play. I'm like, I'm maturing on that. I'm loving watching Lakers fans just fucking have X crisis on Twitter. Oh my God. It's the worst. You were like, what if we drafted? He's from LA. Do you think the calves would have passed on LeBron? If he was from like Maryland? I don't think so. Well, we were going to take the greatest athlete prospect Speaker 2, Speaker 1, Speaker 3, Speaker 4, Speaker 5, Speaker 6, Speaker 7, Speaker 8, Speaker 1, Speaker 2, Speaker 3, Speaker 4, Speaker 5, Speaker 6, Speaker 7, Speaker

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56, Speaker 57, Speaker 58, Speaker 58, Speaker 59, Speaker 51, Speaker 52, Speaker 53, Speaker 52, Speaker 53, Speaker 54, Speaker 56, Speaker 57, Speaker 58, Speaker 59, Speaker 59, Speaker 59, Speaker 50, Speaker 51, Speaker 52, Speaker 53, Speaker 53, Speaker 54, Speaker 56, Speaker 56, Speaker 57, Speaker 57, Speaker 58, Speaker 58, Speaker 59, Speaker 51, Speaker 52, Speaker 53, Speaker 53, who your dad is i interviewed will walker and we were talking about that yeah like willie walker jr is so he is so anti-mainstream music i know and he's like really about that life no like i listened to him on one of those podcasts and he was like just bad-mouthing blake shelton for like 10 minutes oh he was bad-mouthed in nashville he was like i hate nashville i walk i walk around the streets in nashville i'm just disgusted and i'm like he would hate denver i bet um he would hate denver it's the same thing as nashville kind of just a different kind of music right yeah totally and like we're like the live music and they're like the studio you know he was like how did you um get

those tickets to the boston game i'm like because i'm in the jam scene i just sneak in like i sneak in through the window because the back door because no one gives a about anyone in the gym yeah exactly it's like i'm like but anyway we can't talk about nashville because it's bonnaroo it's the last week bonnaroo is this weekend i'm excited i got my game face on yeah i'm excited for you bonnaroo have you played it before um oh no we were supposed to play and it got rained out Speaker 2, Speaker 3, Speaker 4, Speaker 5, Speaker 6, Speaker 7, Speaker 8, Speaker 9, Speaker 10, Speaker 11, Speaker 12, Speaker 13, Speaker 14, Speaker 15, Speaker 16, Speaker 17, Speaker 18, Speaker 19, Speaker 20, Speaker 21, Speaker 22, Speaker 23, Speaker 24, Speaker 25, Speaker 26, Speaker 27, Speaker 28, Speaker 29, Speaker 30, Speaker 31, Speaker 31, Speaker for me and big something. They're like, let's throw a festival for the people who got stuck in Manchester, Tennessee.

Speaker 2, you got back on it this year. Yeah. They, they invite us back. Shout out to the bookers. I play Thursday at 1 0 AM big show on one of the big state, like the, one of the biggest stages that's different. That's Bonnaroo. Like me. That's perfect. It's a huge weekend for us because then it's red rocks you want to sit in with us so you have a little day off in between yeah but we i have to um do something probably but like you know it's nice oh i'm doing some panel with a bunch of publicists and where we talk about the music industry why would you go to that at a festival um it's like going to a basketball game and then

going to a general manager i don't know maybe for the air conditioning yeah that's true actually but that's a very good reason let's go i want to be on some panels i want to be on a panel instead of festival this talking panel with nick gerlach no honesty panel the honesty panel yeah you should all quit i heard you almost got hit by a car yeah this weekend Speaker 2 and I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car.

I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, I'm going to go to the car. I'm like, we're further car. I hit the front of his car. It's like, dude, he starts freaking out. Very apologetic. I was like, relax, dude. I'm not mad at you. I don't you're fine. It was an accident. One lawsuit. I'm already. Yeah. I thought about another lawsuit on me. I thought about showing up in a neck brace for the podcast every week. Anyway. So I come around the car and go, yo, it's fine. Like he was freaking out and I

was like, you know, calm. I am all the time. So I was like, go, yo, it's fine. Like he was freaking out. And I was like, you know how calm I am all the time. So I was like, dude, relax. It's fine. I go to dap him and he puts his hand up to dab and he doesn't have a hand. I didn't have a hand. I still dapped him though. That's dope. He was driving with his one hand.

Yeah. He's just left hand only. My parents used to be so pissed at me when I used to drive with just one hand on the bottom. Like put your fucking hands on both sides of the wheel of all the things in your life that's what they're yelling at you about how about you keep both your hands off your dick yeah so he didn't have a hand and i went to dab him and i i still dapped him and he looked at me like damn that's kind of tight that you didn't even i didn't

even flinch at it yeah i was like you're. Yeah. It was nice. That's dope. I bet. So yeah, I didn't really get hit by a car, but yeah. Damn. What if you did get hit by a car? It'd be pretty funny. The timing of it. I mean, you're already fucked up. Your hips are fucked up right now. My back's Jack. My chiropractor went to town on me this morning. Yeah. Yeah. Then she cracked my back. Boom. God, do you think chiropractic is healthy for you? I think there's different kinds of chiropractors out there and you gotta be careful. The one I'm going to is like at a medical pain facility where there's like nurse practitioners and doctors. There's also

other chiropractors that are like holistic, completely holistic would never, you know what I mean? Like they won't prescribe medicine. They're like Kona, which doctor are you kinda? That's been my new binging thing. Chiropractors. I watch all these chiropractors crack people's backs all day. She gets my neck. So good. She says my neck, she said a really good upper back posture though. It's probably from playing sex.

Yeah. Teaching it. So go to Bonnaroo. Go to Bonnaroo. It's awesome. Yeah, it does look awesome. I like,

I, I like festivals that have this like cult following, but it's a big coal fire. Bonnaroo feels like a festival in Europe. It was just like how the vibe just feels very, very Europey is big. It's huge, but it's fun. And it doesn't feel too intimidating. Like it sounds way better than fucking Coachella. Coachella just seems like an Instagram festival. Coachella sounds way better than fucking Coachella. Coachella just seems like an Instagram festival. Coachella sounds like the fucking worst dude. I've noticed that all the real famous people that go there were like sweatpants and then all the people

who are trying to get famous spend like three months playing their outfit. And then they show up in King Kardashians. This is there in like a trash bag on her phone. Like you guys were trying too hard. Hold on. Going back to this this almost getting hit by a car yeah no hand were you just oblivious were you on those doubting no he was he was oblivious were you on your phone no i was listening to a book on tape having a little walk i've been doing i've been reading more and listening to books on tape i'm an expert on you've been eating those dialed in gummies during the day not really during the day i like to write about 8 p.m i'll eat two

and then i'll eat like two more around 10 p.m and then they are the best for sleeping go buy some dialed in gummies colorado if you're in the colorado area there's all these different brands i've been eating them okay i got a thing here's a new um i love Ambien. Oh, it's bad. And it's bad for you. Well, there's a reason you love it. It's because it's a very powerful drug.

That's very effective. That's sleep. It makes you sleep. So I know where you got it from. And I know who don't tell. I'm not going to tell. That's why I'm saying I know the source, but, um, but I feel like doubting gummies can give me that same effect of getting some sleep in a much healthier way than being i heard you get addicted to ambien i think you can get addicted to i think you can get addicted

to pretty much anything in some way by amy in any kind of pharmaceutical right yeah and i've never this is my first time in my life i feel like i'm not smoking as much weed and i'm just eating it and i feel so much healthier because i'm not just because you know I smoke a lot of cigarettes so like if I'm smoking a lot of cigarettes and smoke a lot of weed I feel like I just trashed my voice but now I feel like I'm singing better because I'm not smoking as much I'm eating weed and it's always that for I do it on the plane or I eat one and then it just like kind of like you could feel it coming on and then it just never it it slows down and i never had that effect on edibles so get yourself some diluted gummies right i mean they're the cleanest yeah no solvents yeah everyone's been asking me hey man because they're

all sold out everywhere like hey man can you give me a butt yeah i've had a bunch of people i can't can't get it no they're like fiends i'm like I ended up giving all my cans away and I don't have any, I don't, I don't have one to promote. I'm picking some up like after this. I know. Oh yeah. Well you gave me a couple. Yeah. But you're leaving. I leave tomorrow, but all right, well I want to bring them on the plane. I want to bring them on the plane. I want to know what plane is. Okay. So what's up with you and Floyd right now? You're not getting along or what? We're getting along very well right now. Well, I can't tell if you hate each other or you. Okay. First I see him tormenting you. Okay. Let's start actually with the group

chat. I'm in their group chat. Everybody's still from fall tour. It's funny. Every two hours I see Floyd, where the fuck are you? We're getting on the plane. Where the fuck are you? And then soundcheck Floyd, where the fuck are you? And then like, Hey, we're getting dinner and food. I'm not hungry. And then like, I don't just seems like he's just wandering around and then he's doing videos like asking you about the Celtics. Cause like he's trying to fuck with you because you're a Lakers man. But it's like, he can't name any basketball player. He probably can't even tell you what color a basketball is. He doesn't even know where the, if you're like, where are the Boston Celtics from? He probably wouldn't

know. But then I see a picture. Oh, what picture of you guys making out on stage at fool's paradise. That's a good one. What the fuck's going on between you guys? I really think we love each other. I mean, love and hate are do come from the same place. I think he looks, he's been looking into my eyes a little differently than ever before. I think that's a romantic photo. I think you are way more into that kiss than he is. I was ready for it, but he's been kissing me now. Dude, you look like you're kissing your long lost love after

you got home from World War II. I mean, I do love, I love i mean i love floyd you look like a midshipman back from the pacific theater you never met my old trombone or my own tuba player arno from the netherlands where he used to he's like a 50-year-old man used to beat the i know who he is i knew who i've seen i saw one time the most before i knew you it was kind of like turn it's like you're playing the bluebird he put his foot in your mouth. Yeah. Yeah. You don't care. But I love Floyd because he is a brilliant musician. That's the thing about Floyd. He is a fucking sick musician. He's brilliant. You never know it. Cause he's in your band, but he is a very good.

Cut the fucking break. He's working more than I am people anyway, but he is a bad-ass. I Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, No, no, no. I understand. Time-wise I don't understand like mentally it's like he doesn't even know what room he's in half the time. Right? The guy likes to party. I know. Let's not dance around that. No, we're not going to dance. I like to have a few babies. Yeah. He loves the IPAs. I think when he's home, he's like, has to be Mr. Dad, Mr. Sober. So when he gets on the road, he like goes ham. Yeah. That's mine is in his port. We're going to his wedding. It's his wedding. I believe that a woman is marrying that man. I know after nine years of being with him and had a kid with them, she's, you know, she tried the product. He's like, so you want to get

married or something? So I wish booking agencies are like that. Like reps, he.com, reps, he.com. We love you over here. Reps.com. Go get your band first signed up first. Eat a couple of dialed in gummies. They dial in a couple of dialed in gummies if you're in Colorado. But if you're not in Colorado, don't worry about it. We'll get, they'll be there soon. We'll be there soon. Sign up to go to reps.com. Sign your band up, sign your independent venue up, sign your wet. If you're a wedding planner, get on there. Strip or do they strip from Illinois? get out there and sign up for reps are they doing strippers yet or sex that's entertainment why aren't you guys

repsy get sex workers on there yeah come on it's 2022. oh man if only fans can make all this money why aren't you getting get people on only fans take 10 of Yes. Make your money reps. Come on, sign up reps.com. Your booking agents need all the help they can get. Unfortunately, this is cannibalism. Not if you're John Bon Giorno, John Bonds. I was the go. He doesn't need help, but it's the man reps.com will help every other book. Yeah. And you just need extra help in this music industry. It's getting worse and worse every day. God damn day in this music industry. It kind of makes me sad how depressing the music industry is. No one will question you if you quit. What? But if you don't quit use Repsy, nobody will question it if you quit. But if you don't quit, you get it. You want to go home and

work for your dad's insurance company that needs to be next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm, of European frasco tour. It's a lot. It's a touring in Europe is a lot harder. It's going to be hard. I think it's a lot harder. Bo is going to have a lot of this boat. Bo is going, but we're bringing a person who speaks the language. They usually have like a Euro term manager too. I can't, I'm not going to throw my boy

bow into the fucking ball world. How do you drive over there? We have a sprinter. Who drives it? I do. Oh, you can drive over there? Mm-hmm. I do it. Niels does it. Those are the only two. The only problem is

they don't do trailers out there because all the streets are so short, small. You backline every day or something? No, we have to put our gear in the sprinter and take half of the sprinter.

So it's just like a seven-piece band in okay so have i officially committed to this story yet um no i'm cool it's gonna be cool to just get in there and get some culture you've never done you've never been to germany or no i've never been to germany i've been to i've never even really played i've only been over there for like family it's gonna be awesome i got a ton of family and we're going to the uk manchester and london i'm gonna try and get see if my i got some fame over there. It'll come out and Paris Patty. I'm gonna try to get on. I'm going to try to get the high speed train. Do you

have any like a fucking you're from London, aren't you? Or my mom's from England. Do they have any cousins who have backline gear? Speaker 3, they're all real people. I'm going to storm the beach in normandy when we get there just like my ancestors did to prove that the united states is still a dominant force in the world they're not well we are it doesn't mean we're good though i heard this thing that um our our balls aren't work or our sperm's not working anymore where did you what are you reading this man we're having babies americans no but americans population rate has gone as keeps lowering oh i think it's because we're not it's not because

our sperm doesn't work no because we're taking all these we're putting all this in our bodies ssris and stuff and having our phones on our dicks it's all this anti-depression medicine oh the antidepress ssris do that to you oh man you can't get boners yeah yeah anyway we gotta go we're done i'm going on a hike this is my last day in denver for a couple weeks and i need SSRIs do that to you. Oh, man. You can't get boners. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, we got to go. We're done. I'm going on a hike. This is my last day in Denver for a couple weeks, and I need to go on a hike.

So, guys. Are you not coming back before Red Rocks at all? I'm not coming back until Red Rocks, night Friday. Why? Are you just going to stay? I'm going to Nantucket for Floyd's wedding. And then what? And then I'm flying to Nashville to start writing my new record.

Oh sick. With who? I got a lot of songwriters I'm writing with. Maybe a hard switch. Yeah. Sierra Farrell. She's a nomadic. I got Matt Warren, Paul McDonald. Oh, I've heard of him. It's going down. I'm really excited. Oh, McDonald. How don't Paul is awesome. He wrote, he was like on American idol. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. They're talking out downstairs. Let's do it. All right, cool guys. Have a great week. Stay happy. Stay inspired. Oh, what are you going to do for a week, bud? You got a new house. You're moving. When you moving into your new house, you move in this weekend? Damn. You already got some ladies coming over? Damn. It's an end of an era.

I know. You'll be here every day. Dude, let's do a solo pod, me and you, next week. Dude, use the gear, dude. I might come over and get geared up. This is what happens. I think we should post my first Demotivation Wednesday. Okay. We'll get everyone to sign up to the Patreon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. We're going to have a great week.

Alright. Next up on the interview hour Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. We're going to have a great week. All right. Next up on the interview hour, we have Goth Babe. Yes. This was a great interview. I didn't know too much about Goth Babe going into the interview. And then at the end of it, we became close friends. He's a nomad. He loves his free time.

He loves traveling. He lives in a van most of the time. He loves traveling. He lives in a van most of the time. He lives in San Diego now. And his music has got this like, you know, he started playing punk music. And then now he's got this like indie EDM feel. And it's pretty badass. And the guy was super sweet. So ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy my next installment on the bonnaroo

music festival episode goth babe dude what's up griff how we doing buddy good man about yourself i'm doing good where you at currently i'm in encinitas i just got done surfing and uh i'm just in the parking lot outside the beach and there's actually a decent service here. So let's go to do it here. Let's do it. You know, you, I've read up about you and you are obsessed with the road. Like I am. What's your fascination with being on the road and how that philosophy of life has changed your life versus when you were a model, I've got a lot of things I want to

talk to you about. Oh God. Oh no. He knows the deep darkest secrets. I know all of them buddy. I can't wait to talk to you about this because let's talk about the road first. What made you fall in love with the road? Um, I grew up with my dad who loves kayaking and mountain biking and he owns like this kid's camp. And so then the summertime I'd go to this kid's camp and I was like, he was like, never, ever loves kayaking and mountain biking and he owns like this kid's camp and so in the

summertime i'd go to this kid's camp and i was like he was like never ever land yeah and uh so i feel like on the road you're able to just do all those things of the outdoor things that i grew up doing at the same time too it's like summer vacation man it's like you're able to go wherever you want whenever you want and nobody is telling you like, can't be somewhere at a certain time. And all you need is like a camping spot and a place to be that night, some food and you're good to go. You know, so many free places to camp too. So. How important is freedom to you? Very, very important.

Yeah. Super important. Yeah. Like whenever I tour tour i try and get my touring agency to allow me to tour as little as possible and still have like time on the road and uh yeah man i love my freedom it's great that's awesome man what's uh what's a place you discovered uh you think everyone should know about should know about? I want to say, I'm going to blow up the spot,

which is okay, but I'm going to, yeah, dude, Oregon coast, I'd say it's probably just such a legendary spot. Oregon coast is such a beautiful place. It's like not blown up yet. So.

Don't you live out there or something? Or are you, are you part of the community out there? I was, yeah. I lived outside of Portland and on a ranch for years. I would live on the coast in the summer in my van and stuff like that. But I had a house fire in February and lost my little home I built. So I've been calling San Diego home, man.

I've got a sailboat down here. And I was like, well, I guess the only other home I got is a sailboat. So I bounced down here and it's a great community here. So it's been good. My family lives in Little Italy. Oh, nice. Very cool. I grew up in LA. I'm a California kid as well. You just threw a bomb in there. Your house burned down?

It did, yes. What happened? Did you have any... Give me the scoop. What happened? I built a tiny home in 2020 during the pandemic, maybe late 2019. Lived in the tiny home up until last February.

And it was kind of like a home base that I have by camper and I go out and enjoy the summer or go on tour or whatever. But yeah, I went to a Mandolin Orange concert, which they now go by Watch House. Love them. And their favorite band, dude. Dude, fucked up story about them getting hit by a car and shit. Yeah, dude. What the fuck, bro? Yeah. Well, we'll talk about that i hope they're okay yeah yeah oh yeah i saw

some insta story and their face all up and i'm like oh my god real yeah for real so you were at an emerald orange concert and what happened you saw some did you get a friend's house in in town. Basically, I brought my friend to my tiny home that evening before the show. And it was cold. And my tiny home, all the water was above ground. I had heated hoses and stuff. But it was like 19 degrees.

You can only fight it for so long. So my water froze. And I was like, I don't have any water tonight. My friend's like, come stay at my place. It's totally fine. I was like, ah, fine. I'll come stay My friend's like, come stay at my place. Like, it's totally fine. I was like, ah, fine. I'll come stay at your place, but I'm gonna leave my dog here.

And she was like, no, no, no. Like, please bring your dog. And she insisted like two, three, four times. And I was like, fine, I'll bring the dog. So I brought Sadie with me. And yeah, dude, that night, like I woke up the next morning, multiple missed calls from so many people, neighbors, fire department, just answer this random phone number.

And it's like, hello. And it's like, Hey, as the, you know, Gresham city fire department, your house, your little trailer thing burnt down. I'm just like, Whoa, what? Your little thing? That's your home. I'm like my home. And it's that burnt out of the frame dude i was like is there anything

left he's like no and dude the first thing i did was like hug my dog and just like just so grateful that we had our lives and oh my god that's so heavy dude what a did you get did you get that person some flowers or some chocolates for convincing you to bring your dog with you dude person some flowers or some chocolates for convincing you to bring your fucking dog with you dude yeah it was like this it was sort of like a fling that was going on and we kept making jokes that it was like an indie film because it was like we spent the next three or four days together and my house broke down and i didn't have any clothes i was just like closing my back toothbrush that's all i owned you know so we yeah but i was super grateful for her and for being adamant on getting me out of the house and everything. Do you believe that the universe does these little things and it's up to us to realize to listen to them or not?

You know, I'm still figuring that out. But I think so, yeah. Like predestination in a sense. Yeah. Or more like... Yeah, kind of. I do, yeah. It kind of, it's like a mixture

because I don't want to believe that everything is a simulation because that kind of is depressing that someone's controlling us. Yeah. But also I like to think like, you know, if we listen to, you know, if we listen to the present, you know, sometimes we're afraid to listen to the present. And when we finally do, you know, God saved your dog's life, man. Dude. Yeah.

I think there's something looking out for each and every one of us. Yeah. You can call it whatever you want, but I think there's something looking out for each and every one of us. You can call it whatever you want, but I think there's something that's way bigger than us in some way that's maybe putting its fingers in things and controlling things, maybe not controlling everything, but I believe it's made of good, and there's just pure love and good intention behind whatever that thing is. Let's fucking go.

I like optimism. I like it, Griff. I like, I like you already, bud. Yo. So before we get into the music, I got to know about this modeling career. You're a model for Calvin Klein. No. Like what? Like a, like a, like boxer model, like dick out the whole thing? Or like, just like, what do you got? like dick out the whole thing or like just like what do you got um gosh oh i really wasn't a model at all but uh it was like a i was not a model it was a six month like you know i dropped out

of college didn't know what else to do was making music but um got instagram scouted by some company from LA and they're like, hey, we're doing this. Ralph Simmons? What's his name? Ralph Lauren? Not Ralph Simmons. Ralph Lauren. Ralph Simmons? I don't know.

Gosh. Ralph Simmons. Yeah. Is that it? Yeah, that's right. Our producer knows it. Yeah. Yeah, Ralph Simmons.

He's like a pretty well-known like designer or something yeah yeah yeah i'm a look man i don't know nothing about this i'll figure it out i didn't either oh but it was just like hey this is calvin klein shoot you should you know we're interested in having you and the rest of the guy once they flew me to pittsburgh to do the shoot it was in the andy warhol, sick, gave us underwear, you know, lined us all up like we were material objects and we're like, you know, looking at all of us, I had no fucking idea what I was doing. But everyone else is a model except for me. So by the first day, they were like, Griff, can you like, can you like can you like loosen your jaw up was i had no idea so they

kicked me off the shoot within one day and uh felt bad for me because they flew everybody else to miami right after the shoot it was like they flew all the models out of miami like well we might have some cologne thing for you so they flew me down there as well didn't use me at all and uh made like i think i made like 3 000 bucks or something and i was like sweet so i moved to new york from nashville with that calvin klein gig which really wasn't a gig at all well i mean that's like you know destiny like you did you like living in new york and what made you real before we talk about the new york years i want to talk about what made you want to quit college um dude i'm i'm left brain man i i just like i i never was good grades could

never uh i'm stupid in that sense really smart in this other sense but just stupid in that sense so in that sense really smart in this other sense but just stupid in that sense so one was just like zero interest super depressed i went to a school outside of nashville called ntsu like middle tennessee state university in the little town called murphysboro and uh dude every multiple times a week i would do the one hour drive to nashville just to go like play little you know bar shows or i was getting really into the punk scene so i would do these like just sick diy crowd surfing moshing shows for like 30 people and uh got a manager and so yeah i just it just didn't make sense to be going to school and so just ended up dropping out to get an apartment in nashville and working at a restaurant and doing little like DIY tours in my SUV with other crusty 18 year olds.

Yeah, man. I'm in a band too. My first, I was into like, yeah, the punk scene as well. And yeah, I realized you couldn't make any money because there's six bands on each bill. Dude, yes, exactly. It's like you make a hundred bucks you're like oh i gotta split all my dudes yeah and then everybody coming to the show doesn't have any money so like where is the money there's no merch yeah where's the money at where's the money at lebowski so what what what fascinates you about the punk scene oh man i was really into like ty siegel and the ocs and all those garage rock bands probably the freedom man like the crowd surfing the free just the

oh i'm trying to think of the words man just chaos like chaos the most beautiful form at a show like everyone's just letting go of everything they have whether that's through the mosh into the crowd surfing or whatever and uh it's just fun man it's a good time there's like no rules i think that's the best part about it yeah and you know it's like give me what was the first moment or the first show you saw that just opened your eyes to like holy i want to do this this looks amazing your eyes to like holy shit I want to do this this looks fucking amazing probably going to like a Ty Siegel show yeah and like I'm from Memphis so a little this little venue called the high tone just crusty nasty venue sorry

high-touch you're watching this you're great baby you're legendary yeah that's That's amazing. So like, what made you change from being a punker to eventually become this like electronic indie musician? Dude, your guess is as good as mine. I don't know. I grew up listening to bands that maybe sound more similar to me now, and the punk thing was probably more of a phase. I grew up listening to MGMT, Phoenix, Arcade Fire, Oberhofer, Dan Deacon, just fun, Animal Collective. I was experimental, at the time, experimental alternative bands. It makes more sense to what I'm doing now from what I grew up on.

But I think I just, the punk thing got me like really stoked about shows and the music industry, that music type of music industry and the scene and everything. And it just kind of gradually went back to that electronic stuff. Yeah. And it's very similar. Those scenes are very, I don't, to me, those scenes are very similar don't to me those scenes are very similar you know i not that i mean you make more money being electronic than a punk band but i could see i mean didn't you just headline red rocks no no or not but potentially it's one day

i have a feeling you will you're popping up everywhere so it's awesome um you know it's so what what song was the first song when you started going into this different type of genre where you realize like wow this is really hitting home to me and i'm starting to understand this whole scene a that i wrote yeah um probably either early mornings or a song called velvet sheets um if you were to go back to my discography it jumps pretty hard from like shoegaze punk to the electronic stuff and i think maybe some of it had to do with like the resources i had um i wrote early mornings in new york where i didn't have my guitars and all i had was a Some of it had to do with the resources I had. I wrote early mornings in New York where I didn't have my guitars and all I had was a keyboard.

Maybe that helped me push me to the electronic stuff. The song Velvet Sheets, one of my things is using a nylon string acoustic guitar on top of the electronic stuff. I was moving away from New York, had all my stuff in my friend's apartment, was flying out back home to Tennessee the next day and wrote this electronic instrumental and looked over like looking for my guitar, didn't have it,

but my friend had this nylon string in his bedroom. So I went and used that just out of necessity and was like, whoa, this is freaking sick. Yeah. So, so that's just, it's been fun combining the, you know, the acoustics with the electronic stuff. Was it hard to keep your fan base going in the beginning when you changed music styles? I didn't really have a fan base at all.

Yeah. It was just like, so maybe we had that same philosophy like now that you're bigger and like let's say you want to go back into the metal world or the the punk scene do you think there's more pressure in your head or do you think you could go back to that same philosophy when you didn't have a fan base and changing your sound or do you feel like the bigger you get, the more pressure it is to not change? If it ain't broke, it's not, don't fix it in a way. Yeah. I, I'd say the last part. Yeah. I feel like it's a lot harder to make decisions now. The big decisions offered me music, you know? Yeah. And I feel like back then it was a lot easier to experiment and be like, oh, well i don't have my electric guitar to write a punk song let me see what just a keyboard and a midi

controller will do um so that's that's definitely one of the bummers about like success in a sense is like there's a little bit less freedom um and then just like pressure and stress on like, fuck, I have to play these shows. People depend on me to be somewhere. Whereas back in the day, it was, yeah, nobody knew who you were. It was almost like easier to write music. Right. It's crazy. You're such a guy about freedom and for your outlet to be music and it feels like you're less free. Is that kind of fuck with your head a little bit? It can. Yeah. Um, I have tools that I try to like help with that problem. Like, uh, when I'm not touring, I deleted social media and have my manager like change the password. So I'm not even tempted.

Hell yeah. Cause like, let's be honest, we're all addicted. And then I just come to the beach every day and just try to get back into the community and try to become just a dude walking the streets every day rather than this musician. And I think that helps a lot because then that's when I write music is when I'm just a dude and Encinitas with no social media you know right man it and it's so funny once we like do you believe in like open vessel syndrome where like we write the best music is when we're completely open you know and if it takes you surfing 100 give me an example when you tried to force a song versus when you did it what

songs all the ones that were forced are not released that's good that's my boy never ever when you tried to force a song versus when you did it? What songs? All the ones that were forced are not released. That's fucking good. That's my boy. Never settle, big dog. Never fucking settle. Let's go. Oh, man.

Yeah, all the ones that are released are the ones that I definitely was in the moment, present, and just, yeah, dude, you can't try you know and I think that's why a lot of people a lot of musicians and artists creatives are the most creative at nighttime is because your present self like emerges in the night you know like you have nothing to worry about in the future so you're not anxious you're just kind of sleepy you're not worried about the past you're just like totally present I feel like that's when the most um stuff you know comes about you're able to be the best creative you could be yeah do you like um do you believe in that same philosophy and the reason why you love surfing

so much because it keeps you present for sure man yeah all the thing all those like mountain biking surfing you can't not be present. You know, you have to be present to keep yourself alive and, you know, not fuck yourself up. So definitely. The present moment is it. Have you almost had any like near-death experiences doing all those extreme sports? I'm a pretty like fair weather surfer biker all those things had like a pretty gnarly injury last year I got like two concussions back-to-back from surfing and did everything wrong when you because your brain swollen basically and

like you had your that's what happens when you get concussions your brain swells a bit in your skull and so did everything wrong so i went into a plane and went to hawaii like altitude makes your brain grow even more right so that's not good for you then i kept exercising kept you know drinking and doing those things and like drove across the country to go see my parents and went up an elevation up, up, up. And in Utah, it was like just excruciating migraines. So that all came from, from two surfing accidents, like literally a year ago from this week or last week. Holy shit. Two in a row. And that's the thing about concussions. Like you don't, if someone doesn't tell you have a concussion,

you just think it's like a hangover or like, yeah, dude. Yeah. And they're serious. Exactly. Look at those football players, you know, who don't realize they have concussions or, or their coaches make them play. And then it's fucking gnarly, man. Yeah. Yeah. It's been, it's been an intense year, but, uh, yeah, man, head injuries are no joke and it's definitely like slowest healing injury you can have. And, uh, this is pretty, this is pretty big, big answer to your question. Have you had any near death experiences serving us? Yeah. I mean, I've also heard a story that you got held up at gunpoint yeah i did yeah um that was like right that's when i left california i was living in santa monica um i was like squatting in this like little tiny garage apartment that basically was like a storage unit next to a garage in an apartment unit you could like put touch both the walls and i had all my music gear in there and i would park my ford explorer and i would like sneak in

at night and sleep i was paying 100 bucks a month to live in santa monica this is like 2017 2018 and um you know the brand amiri yeah, so we were doing something with Amiri. They loved all of our old punk heavy stuff. And they were like, we want to fly you to Paris. We want you to play our fashion week. And during the runway, we want you to be playing these old songs of yours. And we were like, cool. So we were doing rehearsals for that.

This is in January of 2018. And it was raining in LA. got done a little bit late was in that little apartment unit at like 11 30 p.m and walked back out to my car to get something and was like on my phone on my car and yeah got a knock on my driver window from someone with a gun and a mask and then they had another friend of theirs on the other side of the window with car. And yeah, dude, PTSD is no joke. It'll, you have no control over the nerves in your body and where they take you. And oh my God, you know, all day you could be like, dude, this happens to people all

the time. Like, this isn't a big deal, but when your adrenaline levels and your cortisol gets to a certain level,, your body doesn't really ever come down from those levels. And if it does, it's a very slow, intense process. So what did they do? What were they trying to steal? Your car?

Who knows? I probably got it for weed money, man. I had my phone under my leg and I had my car keys in my hands and maybe my wallet, my glove box, but I wasn't going to get my phone. I wasn't going to give him my keys. They looked young and scared, man. They were like, they're probably 18 year olds, you know, LA kids. Yeah.

Yeah. So, I mean, he was kind of shaken when he was asked him, like, give me everything you had multiple times. This was the night of my birthday too. It was like my 21st birthday. What a fucked up birthday, dude. No. I know. You're squatting in LA. It's like you have these big dreams of going to Paris soon and then all of a sudden, bam, wake the fuck up. Dude. Yeah, literally. What a way to grow up from like

an 18 and 20 year old how long did it take you not to sleep in your car anymore like the ptsd of like not thinking about you're always going to get robbed um i mean i kept i actually just started renting a room here in san diego it's the first apartment i've rented in like seven years so i can i've continued to live in my car and weird tiny homes and stuff but uh i kept sleeping in my car i drove to malibu that night and like slept on the side of the highway along the one and couldn't sleep that night it was like oh man went on reddit of course out of fear and was just like reading about ptsc was like, no way. This isn't going to happen. Normally, PTSD takes a month to onset.

One month later in Paris, on the Paris trip, last night of the Paris trip, reality just got really weird. Life felt strange. Couldn't sleep. I was just extremely anxious. And that was kind of the start of this like 10 month journey of feeling messed up all the time. But any sort of like ting, like, you know, my girlfriend would be cooking and like bang the spatula

on the sink that was like, you know, knocking of a gun on a window. It would just like, yeah. Oh man. That happened for did you go to therapy or anything like how'd you deal with how to take 10 months i i really didn't i think that i fit i tried therapy for a second but the biggest thing it's all about you know i gotta find the right therapist and like it's like half of them are no

good uh you know yeah but i moved to portland i think mostly out of just like i gotta get out of here you know especially being in the zone so sold my suv got a camper picked up my dog and santa cruz and drove up to portland and was like this sick so got community and like got me in a better place and i feel like that's what really pulled me out of all this time too you know yeah people are afraid to leave what's comfortable. You know, it's like, you could say that about your hometown. You could say that about the first time, you know, your first breakup, like people don't want to get out of relationships. I mean the fri, you know what,

the true thing about freedom is doing what you want to do when you feel like it's necessary. What was, why did you, why did you feel like you had to leave new york and then we'll talk about your la years um i grew up on a camp man i grew up like camping with my dad at a summer camp and it's so crazy i was in new york man it was like you know city kitty such yeah and every every corner looked the same like i got claustrophobic and uh every day off i had from this like little furniture job i had it was like i would just go to rockaway and put on this six millimeter wetsuit and try to learn how to surf and march and it was

like why am i living here if i don't even want to enjoy the city so um that's when i just like god i had a a visit to my parents house but just didn't take the return flight home and got my little four explorer from when i went to high school in and it was still parked my parents house and just drove to la on a whim at like 19 years old lived out of my car along the beach and squatted in Santa Monica garages and I learned how to surf then. I moved there for music, but then met some music hot shots and was talking to managers and just trying to be cool LA musician guy and trying to fit into this mold and stuff was happening and it was like

man what what do i what do i really want to do every day i want to like have time have just enough money to like eat and survive right and i want to surf every day and just like hang out with people and enjoy the sunshine so that's when i just canceled all the little connections i had in la and deleted my instagram for like a year and a half. And it wasn't until a PTSD event that I re-picked up music because it was like, I want to do music for community. I want to like redo this thing so I can meet people and have a solid community. And music's totally done that for me. It's been beautiful.

That's great. So that was the recharge of music. Tell me about the time where you said, fuck music in LA. You know, like you're dealing with all these fucking people who are kind of fake and stuff. What were those years like? What'd you learn from the LA music scene that made you say I'm done

for a year and a half or something? I think it was like trying to write music for other people was the biggest thing. Right. Meeting this manager and being like, this is really good, Griff, but do you think you could do better? And being like, yeah, I could do better. Let me just scratch this and do better.

Then when I tried to write again, it was like, why am I trying to do better? This isn't natural. Yeah. It just felt like I was writing music for LA and not for me. And that's when I kind of just scratched it. And because I feel like one of the main reasons as a kid, you want to be a musician is like famous rock star and you know, money and getting whatever you want. But that's just, that's not me.

And I figured out that that's not me and I quickly put it into it. Let's fucking go. That's the punk rock mentality i'm talking about that's what i'm talking about griff that is what i'm talking about i mean i grew up in l.a chasing the rabbit's tail you know i used to work for record labels like drive-through records capital because i wanted to always be in a band but everyone told me i couldn't because it was that la oh you could do better you could sing better you could you know you could wear different clothes better I'm like and it just it bums you out and

just like the reason like we got into me I don't know about you but the reason I got into music was like seeing the freedom that the 70s and the 80s and the 90s like Henry Rollins and stuff you know like those dudes were free dude they said whatever they want they crowd surfed they did whatever they want they pissed if they wanted to on the cool floor like that is rock and roll dude do you think rock and roll's dead that type of rock i don't think so i think probably that side of the rock and roll yeah but the rocket rolls like morphed into something so much cooler maybe not cooler but it's morphed into something way rad that's definitely still around, you know? What do you like about new, like,

explain what the new rock and roll is to you. I think the new rock and roll is like, genre-less, you know, the EDM, it could be whatever, jazz, like a jazz concert but i feel like when people come to the concerts wanting a good time and provide uh like we just got done with the tour and playing like santa cruz in this like crusty venue those kids went crazy um we're a catalyst like we're yeah it was the catalyst yeah i love that room it's a great room crust but so fun and they know it's crust you know yeah of course uh but it's like i don't feel like rock and roll

is the band it's like rock and roll it's just the room you know like everyone in the room the band everything at once and uh when people are just getting rowdy i feel like that's rock and roll you know so it's like the idea of you know the energy i feel like that's rock and roll you know so it's like the idea of you know the energy in the room is still a rock and roll yes how important is to get alone time when you're with somebody what do you uh what do you mean like say when you're in a relationship yeah i know i could tell like alone time is so important you live in a van yeah you're always by yourself with your dog, it seems like. But then when you get a partner,

but you still need that other part of your life, that other part. For sure. So how hard is it to like balance that with your brain, how you react to being alone? It's pretty important, man. I definitely need my me time. I'm an introvert and I recharge

when I'm alone. So I've only been in one pretty serious relationship in the past five years. And definitely it was tough, but it was half of the relationship was COVID. So there was plenty of alone time. So I'm probably still somewhat navigating just how to do that. But I definitely need my me time. And I need a partner that's like, yeah, you're good to just go fly fishing the mountains alone for a week, you know, or most girlfriends I'd be like, why would you do that without me? You know, but especially with tour, it's so hectic and yeah, man,

it's I need that slow time for sure. Yeah. How do you find that alone time when you're always with everyone on tour? Um, the we had our first bus tour. Let's go, let's go. Make a money big dog. Oh, you know, you've been on a bus before. Yeah. And they had the bunks, you know, the bunks are like, once that curtain's closed, nobody's allowed to mess with you. Yeah. And so I would get in there and I'd bring my headphones with me and put on ambient music and meditate, focus on breath work.

And there's also the back lounge. I do the same thing. So meditation is probably the biggest thing for me. thing so meditation is probably the biggest thing for me in the morning on the bus i'd get up and go for a three mile run mercedes and make my neutral bullet like green juice just try and have the most like routine that i have at home on the tour because of course you're like a vampire man you're like up at night you know the bus is dark the venue dark, you're never really outside. So yeah, it's good to have some routine. The blackout cabinets in the bus. I mean, you never see, you never see daytime if you're, yeah, it's pretty wild.

You know, you, you talk about how important your dog is. Do you take your dog out on the road with you? I do. Yeah, dude. She's, she's laying sleeping right now. She's, she's our best friend, man. She's on, yeah yeah she goes on tour with us too um runs around the venue at soundcheck and loden all the venue staff always love her

yeah she's eat she's eating weird things off the ground from the night before i'm sure but uh she's she's great man do you think your dog helped you with the you're you didn't have this dog when you going through your ptsd right i got her at the end of it and hell yeah she helped yeah what did you what did you learn about having a presence like that to help you cope with your ptsd dude i don't think i'd realize how lonely i was living out of a car by myself. Even when you surf with someone for an hour in the middle of the day, you still might go two days without seeing anybody, you know? Yeah. Most like van lifers or whatever have girlfriends or boyfriends, you know,

they're there, they have their partner with them. And yeah, I was just lonely. It was good to have her in the truck with me whenever I got her, it was great, man. Isn't it crazy how we don't understand loneliness when we're lonely? We think it's something else, but it's really just depression and loneliness. Why do you think our brains not tell us this is loneliness? Maybe we didn't know what loneliness is. Were you ever lonely when you were a kid or did you understand depression or anything?

Not really. I had anxiety as a kid. But not really loneliness until I drove out west and lived in my truck and was literally alone. Yeah. But, man, people and animals are pretty great. You know, I think of stand-up comedians. They travel by

themselves they're always in these different do they really yeah man they go by themselves they'll fly in to the vent or fly into the venue where the venue normally has like house condo for two days and they're just by themselves and you know they deplete themselves from like beating off and just like low depression low dopamine you know it's like i i i have a lot of musician friends and like they need the loneliness but it also to like feed their art or feed their soul a little bit but it's so important to have some some sort of companionship like a dog or being okay with the loneliness like did you remember a time when the loneliness just took over you? You just, I would say just during that PTSD time, man, post traumatic stress

sort of sprang out with loneliness. And I was lonely before the event happened too. And afterwards it was just like, dude, you start getting in your head about stuff too. And you're anxious. You don't have anybody to talk to anything with. But it's pretty great not being a comedian. Cause you got your band and you got like, you got your tour manager and your light guy,

your sound guy. It's like, you're always with people and uh yeah that sounds terrible yeah it does sound terrible you know like or like yeah i can't i don't know i've always thought i could be alone a lot and i need my alone time um but being on tour and being alone is even you know that's that's harder because yeah there's no familiarity where you are exactly yeah you know speaking of tour this is the bonnaroo episode so uh you guys are you have you done bonnaroo before no i'm so amped dude dude we're playing thursday what day are you playing fuck yeah uh we're playing thursday we're playing thursday at 11 30 in like a tent

dude we're playing right after you we play at at one. We're on the same stage. Yeah. What? Let's go. So let's talk about these big festivals. Give me your first experience of like playing a big ass festival, like huge crowd. Were you nervous? Give me what festival was it? So nervous. Yeah. Tell me, tell me, give me some some stories the first time you played something huge like that dude mo pop mo pop fest in detroit holy have you played that no but i heard it's wild dude it was pretty wild but yeah man that was that's probably like ten thousand seven thousand holy Which at the time,

that's pretty nerve wracking. I didn't have a manager yet. So I booked the whole thing and literally booked our Airbnb in Canada. And it took us like an hour and a half to literally get across the river every day. Get the passports out every day just to do mobile. Yeah, we did.

It's like, what are you doing today in the you know in the customs they like asked like why are you going across the border we're playing a show oh the little festival what's what's your bank called i tell him like yo have you heard of golf babe i was like he said his friend said no and then apparently the guy was just like we don't fucking know who you are but you're welcome to go on through welcome to canada wait dude canadian border crossing is gnarly they're like very unfriendly it's the worst we we had strip teas we had street searched like they made us like open up our and it was like nuts dude you get afro you know you have a our van said follow

your dreams on it You said they're like we're pulling these motherfuckers over for sure So what's the biggest what's the biggest show you've ever done? Outside lands. What was that last November? What happened? Give us 25 Holy fuck 25,000. Dude. How do you even think so gnarly? What do you do? Like what's your process? 25,000 dude. How do you even think? So gnarly. What do you do?

Like what's your process? I felt terrible all day. It's just like nerves and had a migraine out of anxiety. But dude, during the moment, it's just like, this is wild. You know, it kind of flashes you back to being like high school within your bedroom, writing punk music and you kind of like communicating with that part of yourself being like dude you did it this is epic yeah you know it's like did you take a step back and realize like shit look where I am right now yeah and and why why did that why me why me you know it's you kind of get lucky dude yeah

yeah and you're a bad ass. You're a bad mother fucker, dude. You're a great songwriter. I think about this too. Do you think the anxiety helps us stay focused to make the best set of music we can when we're in that situation? During playing live? No, like you say, the ramp up.

You know, it's kind of like the rat in the cage syndrome. It's like the anxiety of, I just want to get this thing fucking done. Dude, yeah. Yeah, for sure. But I feel like I play worse shows when I'm in that mode. Yeah? Personally.

Really? I feel like when I'm shows when I'm in that mode. Yeah. Personally. Really? I feel like when I'm chill, I put on the best show. When I'm just an anxious mess, it's never as good. You ever like... Well, there's been a couple of good ones. I was really anxious. What about when there's like important like industry people in there? Do you fuck up more or is it you don't care?

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I think about it for sure. Yeah almost want my manager like not telling me you know yeah yeah that's i mean that's that's i think that's better for our mind state i mean they want to tell you because you're excited but you need to perform you need to execute definitely or maybe you're already executing you You would kill it regardless. There you go. You're a fucking pro. And it's just trusting yourself.

Yeah. LA is the one that you're always like, there's multiple industry here or New York. So those are always going to be hard. What about, do you get bummed out when like say a music reviewer just shits on on your art i don't read that man i've never read those good for you man you need to teach me how to not think so much about these assholes dude see like dude i don't even but like what are they doing you know exactly who are they to say that it's good and that's art or it could be good to one person and bad to another. Yeah. It's like, they're just trolling from their fucking New York one bedroom condo.

Suck it. Are we shot now? Is this pitchfork right now? No comment. I please ship. Uh, no, but, um, yeah, it's true, man. Griff, I know you gotta go. I just want to say thank you so much for your time. You seem like an amazing dude, and I can't wait. We should go have a beer or something. I don't know if you drink, but let's go hang out at Bonnaroo, and let's get to know each other.

I would love that, man. Sounds good. I'll send your publicist my phone number and shoot me a text. All right. Last but not least, I want to ask, you know, when it's all said and done, you know,

what do you think, what do you want Goth Babe to be remembered by? Massive question. Introspective. What's the answer? I'm going gonna say like being a stand-up musician that didn't do it for the wrong reasons and was a musician that didn't do it for fame or money or cloud and doing it to show off but did it for like purpose like supporting climate action or like getting people

together like having my shows just be a great place to go even alone. Right. And just meet people and just create a really rad community. Yeah. I think that's probably, that'd probably be what I'd want to walk away from. That's beautiful, bud.

I, you know, I, that's what I forgot to mention, talk to you about what, what makes you so fascinated with climate action? Um, it's hard to go out and enjoy these places and not want to care about them or notice that they're changing.

Like, it's really easy to notice that they're changing quickly. I don't know, man. I think like it won't be as big of a deal for us, but we got… There's many people that come on this planet that haven't been born yet. And they would, I'm sure would love to enjoy these same places that we're enjoying. I'd love if my grandkids could go see Yosemite and not, it wouldn't be a shit show, you know, things like that. Or like this beach here, hopefully the seas don't rise too much and they're able to come surf here at high tide still or something like that so i don't know man

so it's basically an idea of we got to stop being so selfish yeah but it's also really hard because being selfish environmentally is really just living comfortably i know so it's almost like living uncomfortably is the way to help the planet but um i think the big big big things are I know. land management, things like this. It's incredible to like have a Reno reasonable water bottle but like I think the massive things are the big oil heads and politicians and those guys man they're freaking running the show. I know. Fucked. Yeah, I think so. And so create money. That's what I'm saying. Like money. I don't know why we chase money so much when it just causes evil.

That's what I'm saying. Like money. I don't know why we chase money so much when it just causes evil. Yeah. Cause it's power, man. We all want power, don't we?

Yeah. That's why I got a question for you. What's up, doc? I heard you're big in a microdose. I am bro. Yeah. I love,

I, you are. Yeah, man. I'm, I had PTSD too. I was, I've been, I do 250 shows a year for the last 15 years since i

was 18 19 and i didn't know what depression was until i had my first panic attack and i'm like what the fuck is this and i and i didn't know what it was and i was too i didn't like you i didn't i didn't trust therapy yet and i didn't feel like i the therapists who you know who do my parents and my sisters who are you know doctors and you know the calabasas people we're gonna understand their wannabe rock star living in a van sibling. So I took on psilocybin for five years and it changed my life and it got me through depression, man.

You went to psilocybin? Dude, that's all the brain stuff. I've been in some of the darkest places in the past year and canceled tours and many, many shows. Why? What were you going through? darkest places in the past year and canceled tours and many, many shows. And, uh, I've been to, I've spent all because of the, I had a T but two brain injuries, um, they just caused me severe anxiety, depression, um, everything your brain does was messed up. Like I couldn't sleep well.

I couldn't, I would get brain fatigue, even like grocery shopping and have to go home, migraines daily, vision disturbances, dizziness, all these things. I've spent upwards of, gosh, I haven't entered the six-figure mark, but definitely $30,000, $40,000 in medical care to try and fix my brain this past year. After the medical stuff didn didn't work i put on all these medications one after the other to try and fix my brain got did ice bath stuff limb hof constantly exercise just dude i exhausted every option and psilocybin was like a last just last last ditch effort this past month and took a heavier dose and have been doing like three days, three days off, three on three off of micro dosing.

And it's been like the most, it's the improvement is like stupid how fast it's been in the course of like a month. Whereas it's, it's taken me 11, 12 months just to get to a certain point where I'm like, okay, i feel slightly better until si ben it was just instant dude it's been so beautiful the great rewire bro i don't get why it's i don't get why it's illegal i mean because they don't they can't fund it because they because people can't get paid on it and shame on them did you have to be on were you did they put you on antidepressants? Like what were they doing?

Yeah. Yeah. Antidepressants, anti-anxiety. And it was gnarly dude. I was on a lot of stuff and not, not much worked. Nothing really worked and nobody can see an injury that's in your head, you know? So it's like, we're going to keep booking your shows. I had these shows booked. Well, I think I'm okay to do it. It was pretty bad. And dude, microdosing and psilocybin is like the most beautiful medicine for your brain that ever was. It's so awesome. You know, have you watched that junior say out documentary? You know,

junior say out is junior say out is a linebacker was a linebacker for, or was he a defensive tackle? Something for the chargers. And he had so many concussions that he said, yeah. And he said his brain was not working. No one believes him. No one believed him. And he committed suicide, shot his heart. So people could study his brain.

And it was because of the fucking concussions, dude. And the, you are not alone in that. I'm fucking thankful you found mushrooms at the end. Let's go, big dog. My guy. Heel up, dog. It's so fucking, isn't it crazy how instant it is? Like, why didn't our doctors tell us that psilocybin helps for this in the first place?

One, it's illegal because these people are going to fight your wars, man. And so it's, it's very, it's very makes sense why it became legal when it became legal. And so since then, nobody's going to mess with it if it's legal, but there's so many studies going on right now with John Hopkins and double blind placebo studies that are coming back so successful. And, um, dude, it's neuroplasticity. That's the biggest thing for your brain.

With trauma, whether it's head trauma or traumatic events happen to you, it's your brain's blocking off certain pathways that causes what it thinks is harm and opening up, or it's just going down these anxious ones to try and protect itself. Suppression, right? Mushrooms are literally, yeah. And these mushrooms are literally like reopening pathways in your

brain that haven't been opened in, you know, half a decade for me. And it's so cool. When you first took that big heroic dose, what was the first thing that came into your head that you were suppressing? Like the hard hard like that you didn't even realize you were suppressing yeah you probably know it's like you're going back into your like 12 year old self you know you're able to like see everything um for me it was like buddy you're you're gripping so hard on life like anxiety is trying to control your reality around you constantly, and you'll never be able to succeed. So you're just constantly just gripping.

And that was the biggest thing for me. It was like, just let go and flow with the good days and flow with the bad days. If you have a killer migraine tonight, you just need to flow with it. If you have dizziness tomorrow, just go with it. This is not gonna last forever, but if you continue to fight that feeling with anxiety, it's just going to provoke more symptoms and you're going to continue to live with this

shit. And when you've heard that information and your shoulders kind of dropped and you've started leaning back a little more, did you cry and say, wow, this is the most- I bawled my eyes out, dude. Me too, man. I was the same exact. It's so fulfilling to finally let go of shit that was controlling

you since you were fucking 12 years old. Yeah. It's crazy what the brain can do. And it's crazy what negatives it can do, but it's also so cool that it could just, if you give it the right tools, it will just reheal itself. It's so beautiful. Fucking Griff. I'm thankful, bro. I'm going to stand up for you. Buddy, enjoy the van. Enjoy your time in Encinitas.

Thanks, boss. I'll give you my number. Let's be friends, bro. I really feel like we're in common denominators here. Definitely. Let's hang out at Bonnaroo. Down, man. Let's do it.

All right, buddy. Well, enjoy that alone time before you play for 25,000 people on Thursday. Have a good one, buddy. Yes, sir. All right, buddy. Yes, man. There you go buddy there you go there we go fuck yeah you know who's a good band lettuce lettuce i knew you could say that because you just saw them and the professionalism i'm down to just talk uh they were like my favorite band when i was like 21 i don't want to blow i want i don't want to suck well they already know they're really good so it's

like but it was nice to see them like do the show. No, before the show or like, Hey, we can't hang out right now. Cause we have to have band practice in there. Where are our, our guest room where we're chugging beers and having fun. All right, actually, let's do another line with that, please. And you're like nerds and they go out and they play the fucking sickest show you've ever seen their new album's dope too is it yeah some mixed amazingly i interviewed nigel oh yeah i don't know him he's the one i know the least nigel hall he talked about we talked got heavy dude it was nigel hall and jen hartzberg i'm gonna put that out there in the peach fest uh oh yeah episodes it's not that long either it's like next month we got a big um we got a big june and july coming up bud we're doing

two episodes a week what for five bonn rep or five peach fest episodes we're doing two a week tuesdays and fridays damn are they rich or something they just want to do five episodes in three weeks oh so you're gonna be hearing a lot of different interviews i got a lot i interviewed i stockpiled a bunch of interviews for the peach fest i didn't get trey anastasia he still doesn't want to talk to me i don't think he does a lot of this stuff no i think well it's also i don't want to step on my boy ari fink's toes he's he's the fish interviewer you know yeah and ari's my guy yeah i think it's it's fine where it is you know who was i talking to why don't you interview like fishman they don't want to oh none of them

i don't want to me i could see why yeah I know I'm going to fuck with me. I could see why. Yeah. Okay. We're going to have a great week. What are you going to do? I'm gone for, I'm gone for a couple of weeks. I have a lot of stuff to get ready for gig wise coming up. I'm doing an after party for your rhetoric show. That's one of them. I did see that. Where were you? New conscious, new conscious. It's dope. It's 30 bucks. It was so open bar. That's tight. You give me $30. I give you all the booze. You can drink your frasco fan, put them out of business. Yeah. I want this to be the last show ever at new conscious. Cause you guys drank everything. I laughed so hard, you know, like, you know, those typical Denver fucking

super band cover bands flyers to see Andy Avila in the jam. See you fucking flyer is fucking hilarious. And I named it Denver after party band. Yeah. The Denver after party is what it is. I love it. Um, and I'm also doing a, yeah, we're playing red rocks with on freeze on the 18th. Go buy your tickets. So go to that and then come to my after party. It's in Denver. It's like not 20 minutes away. You got plenty of time. We're going to late and you can drink legally. It's going to be fun. Okay. Have a great week.

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