Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 177: Jen Hartswick & Nigel Hall (Trey Anastasio & Lettuce)

Episode Date: June 21, 2022

Helluva week for the Frasco boys as they pull off the ol' Tennessee/Colorado Do-si-do! (ie hitting Bonnaroo AND Red Rocks back to back. Raw dogging that sleep deprivation. Real freaky.) But the question remains: Does Frasco smoke mids?! Review and rate us with your response. Do it for science. Or at least check out the Interview Hour this week as we welcome good friends, musical collaborators, and all around impeccable human beings: Jen Hartswick & Nigel Hall!  Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Puff Break (Believe That)" on iTunes, Spotify  Check it: www.jenniferhartswick.com & www.nigelhallofficial.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Brendan Bayliss & The fella's from Umphrey's McGee Arno Bakker

So, ladies and gentlemen, real quick, I just want to apologize on behalf of everybody on my side over here in Humphreys McGee for the Andy Frasco and the UN experience. I find it frankly immature, a little bit disturbing, and just gross. All the dick jokes. Wow. You know, it's a little much. Typical fucking rich kids. I'm sorry.

Typical fucking rich kids. Private school rich kids. Talk it down. Just always punch it down. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Show me what you got.

Listen. I'm listening. No more 20-minute songs! Let's fucking do this! Shalom. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Okay, nice.

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Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Ah! Oh! Oh! You brought this upon yourself What the fuck Yeah Yeah Now we're dancing to the That's a bomb track Yeah Wow.

Okay. All right. Okay. Wow. I didn't know Chris Myers could sing. We're in the open, isn't it? We're in the open band. We're in the opening band. Joe Pum is on the book.

Nobody gives a fuck. We're in the opening band. No one read your fucking book, Joe. No one read your fucking book, Joe! My sister's like that, too. Really? With the clap? No. Being particular about her shit.

And we're live, kind of. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. Hot off a fucking killer weekend. Let's go! Let's fucking go fuck yeah so fun to watch other people succeed shut the fuck up you killed it at the after party i did actually you sat in with us you killed it yeah it was a good one bonnaroo and red rocks in one weekend what was better on cloud fucking nine bonnaroo was insane because I didn't think that reaction was going to happen.

What? People liking it? Shut the fuck up. Oh, God. No, but seriously. I can never enjoy anything with you. I got to keep you grounded. It's such a monumental moment in my career.

I know, and I'm going to keep you grounded through it. Bonnaroo was insane. I lift you up in the dark times. You do. I right in the middle when i'm sad you're the first person i call yeah i'm pretty good at that too i keep you right here when you're down here i get you here when you're up here i get you right here anyway what a week why were you surprised by the bonner reaction i thought it was going to be like that because it was like i don't know it was like uh thursday i did not expect people to come out. Like, I didn't expect us having a big crowd for it.

You didn't? I did. That's exactly what I expected. Really? Yeah, because, like, you're playing 1 a.m. at Bonnaroo. You've been doing all these tours and stuff. You're like a name where people are like, even if they haven't seen you, they're like, oh, we've got to, like, at least check us out.

I heard this guy's insane. You know what I mean? Well, I played Dream, and that was, like, it made me cry because we wrote that song when we found out we got bonnaroo okay and we wrote that song we found out we had red rocks in the same weekend uh-huh and it was just all the stuff we were looking forward to and then when something actually happens like that thing actually happens and it turns out just as amazing as you thought it'd be two years ago it just made me feel good that we're on the path and fucking never give up on your fucking dreams as long as your dreams are reasonable yours you're a band so it's reasonable for you to have those dreams not when not 10 years ago

when we were fucking playing in you know dubuque iowa no hate no shade to dubuque iowa no shade of dubuque iowa but like but you're not red rocks sleeping in the bars you know sleeping you've done that i've done that so many times sleeping in the bar where they give us like fucking 80 bucks pillows 80 bucks give us a pillow like you i mean we don't have any budget for a hotel so you could just sleep in the venue that's why I got lucky with the Cosby sweater because we kind of we didn't have as many people it was a lot cheaper for us to tour yeah we didn't have a trailer we didn't have a Sprinter we just toured in a minivan I mean we toured in a van with our gear in it I'm saying we had it easier than you I'm not saying no I No, I'm saying like the same thing. You're on the grind.

We were on the grind, but not like that. We had a hotel every night and stuff. Really? Yeah. How'd you get hotels every night? We started... We blew up kind of fast. I mean, not blew up, but we got to the middle pretty fast.

Yeah. Ours was a slow grind. We had an agent at Madison House after our third gig. Really? Yeah. See? Fuck that. But it fell apart just as fast i'm gonna be petty about that well it fell apart just as fast though so it's like well that wasn't your fault that was no but i'm just saying like rapist i'm just saying like karma got us you know

it wasn't karma i'm just kidding i don't believe in karma by the way this is my co-host nick gerlach oh yeah you never intro me dude what's me, did you? Yeah. What's up, Nick? Hey. Welcome to the show. We are on cloud nine, baby. It was a good weekend. It was a great weekend. You sat in. It was great.

We did that Battle of the Bands with Umphreys, which was fucking awesome. I couldn't really hear it, but now I watch the video. It was funny. Dude, I've been learning a lot how you rip on me. So I was like, I'm learning a lot. That was good. They should have had me write their thing to you. They could have been stronger.

They should have had me write some copy for them. No, but that's Bayless's comedy. I understand. I'm just kidding. Bayless talks shit. I think Bayless is one of the best shit talkers on the planet. He's good at it. He's from Indiana.

We're both in northern Indiana boys. Bayless just understands. Me and Bayless had very similar upbringings. We went to the same kind of schools. We're from about an hour and a half from each other. That's why there was some joke he told at catering where I was the only guy that laughed on the whole table, and I think that's why.

We have that Northern Indiana. Grew up in the Catholic school system. We weren't rich kids, but I bet a lot of our friends were. It's there. I love it. Yeah. a lot of our friends were. It's there. I love it. Yeah. God, I love Bayless.

I love Stasek. Those guys are so fucking supportive. Everybody's cool in Humphreys. Even Joel is supportive. I ripped on his book. I was like, no one gives a fuck about your book, Joel. He didn't care.

He didn't care. He was like, he took it on the chin and like... He wrote a book. Yeah, he wrote a book. So shout out to Joel. I wrote a whole book. Let's go.

You write a book. You know what I mean? Yeah, you write a book, bitch. Yeah. let's go you write a book you know what i mean yeah you write a book bitch yeah if anything you just gave it more publicity and i did um but it was such a great weekend and my parents were there and i was like i dedicate this fucking i watched your mom i watched your mom a little bit i like to watch people's parents during the show she was crying the whole night i didn't see her crying but i was far away from her so you know i mean i was like she was in the crowd and I was backstage. Like all the people around her were taking photos with her

and saying they're proud of me. Who's more famous, your mom or your dad? My mom. That's cool. That's how it should be. I should give my dad more love. I always, whenever I'm at the- I feel like, isn't he sort of-

He gave me the work ethic. He taught me work ethic. Are you calling your mom lazy? Just kidding. Hey. he gave me the work ethic he taught me work ethic are you calling your mom lazy no i get it i should give him more credit because he did teach me how to fuck hey those porsches don't just fall out of the sky do they shut the dad's a porsche guy he loves porsches isn't he in a porsche club he's in a a Porsche club. That's so cool. That's funny. I love it.

Oh, man. This has been such a great, but you know, it's like, this is the last time we're going to talk about this. What? Because it's on. Because this is a

Peach Music Festival installation. Five episodes of Peach. I like that festival. It's one of my favorites. It's at a water park. One. I love that. The fact that water parks

even exist still with this litigious society we. I love that. The fact that water parks even exist still with this litigious society we live in is amazing. The fact that they let wooks into those water for three days. I wouldn't get in the water past 8.30 in the morning at that thing, but it's there if you want it. I love it. It's a fun festival because it's like

electronic music hasn't completely taken it over. And that's not a shade of electronic music obviously because i literally am do that you know but it's like but you know it's nice to have something where it's sort of a throwback right and um they always have a great lineup so i'm saying yeah they just like yeah it's curated really well because they do that and they still sell a lot of tickets yes hard so for these next three weeks until the first weekend of July when Peach is happening, we are going to do two a week. We're doing two episodes a week, Nick. Damn. I hope you're just not funny for just one day.

The union said I get overtime. The podcast union. Whoa, whoa. Chill, chill, chill. Gommet the fuck down. No, I can be funny for 25 minutes twice. Oh, my God. um no i can be funny for uh yeah 25 minutes twice oh my god it was so funny when when um sam the the merch the merch uh sam sutton organizer organizer for all the umphrey stuff he runs all the same sam sutton i love so he's my bookie we're both hoosiers he's the one who got me into gambling you're like all these indiana people you

noticing this i love midwesters sam's but i'm talking specifically the state of indiana indiana's a great state brendan bayless sam stutton me larry bird shut up oscar robertson there you go all right calm it down with that no but sam was like it was so funny he was like man nick when he first when I first met Nick's girlfriend all she said was he was like how's Nick doing um I'm then she's like Julie was like I'm doing fine she can handle your talk yeah yeah she's I'm actually a pretty good boyfriend actually yeah yeah you are a good boyfriend yeah you're heartfelt you're sensitive you're gonna no you're gonna get like uh no I think she likes that I'm not that sensitive because she's extremely sensitive but

no you could you could you're a tortoise you're a tortoise yeah you have a hard shell i am a human being but inside you're vulnerable and lovable and sweet and caring i do care about people you do care i've never done anything to anyone really like you'll never find anybody i don't have like a arch enemy that i've screwed over in the past you know what i mean well not yet but i said some stuff that's got me now you've you've you're a troll you're a troll like a smart troll yeah but i've never like in the career i've never like really done something to someone that's like you can't get out of like i've never stolen or cheated on someone or like you know the things, the mortal sins of friendship I've never committed. Yeah, just monetize the trolls.

That's what I did. They were calling me Frasco Smokesmids. We made a fucking t-shirt. I feel like you learned that from me, even though I've never made any money doing it. It's kind of my idea. Yeah, you're right. You teach me a lot. Yeah, that sucks. You should be smarter than that.

You should already know the stuff. We're going to do state capitals next. Yeah, I'm just kidding. First, we're going to New York. Then we're going to Oklahoma, Appalachian City, Dubuque, Iowa. It's not the capital. It's not the capital. No, Des Moines, Des Moines, Tommy, baby, you know, we talk about, you know, that T shirt pre-sale sold out in four minutes and you got mad i got i'm like why is it sold out i'm calling everybody i mean i get it though it's also still funny yeah i was grounding you during that i know you just always i was like i'll tell the kids in the children's hospital you always tell me to monetize you monetize

you monetize i know i i'm not against monetizing i'm against being super mad no but i also get it too piss me off but it's also funny to think about like that that it's not like a problem problem you know what i mean it's not a problem but it's still fun to make fun of you yeah i love you i can't i'm making and i could be making slightly more money shut the fuck up okay i'll tell all the kids in the children's hospital that... Oh my god. Don't even go there. I'm just kidding. You make a shirt that says,

I like multiple bands. I have so many dumb shirts. That's why it's funny to make money for it. Your shirts are so much... Every shirt you have is better than my best shirt. Well, let me help you market your cult. Your worst shirt is better than my best shirt but they're funny they just say words on them yeah you know i think about you know going back

you know we've been doing this for 15 years playing all the bars and stuff bars and you know you talk about having a a booking agency after your third show also fuck off that's fuck you well we were good don't don't get mad we just saw the market and we filled a hole for three or four years. Well, for the other people who aren't Cosby Sweater and need help touring, sign up for Repsy.com. Repsy, our boys, just been with us since the beginning. It's free to sign up. If you're in a band.

They're kind of like personal injury attorneys. They don't get paid until you get paid. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. Speaking of that, how's your lawsuit going? It's going good. I saw I'm doing treatment so so are you suing uber i don't know how do you sue how do you lawyers are handling all that i'm like how does that even happen like no i think it's just basic car insurance stuff i don't think because uber is uh and lyft they're not very

um good companies they don't treat their employees very well they're 10.99 everybody so they're probably not i don't know we got a car accident um yeah abandoned and we sued uber and we made each like five or six grand oh you did well hopefully i'll get more than that well you were more hurt than we were i just had to do they paid for like my chiropractor and stuff who who Who, what happened? Oh, dude, this guy, this guy obviously was fucking drunk and hit our car. Oh, dude, you got to sue him. He's a drunk driver.

I know, but he was like talking to us like, we'll settle this off of. Don't you ever do anything off the books. But that's not me. Like it's the driver to the guy who got in an accident. Oh yeah, right. You don't have that much. No, no. And that guy left. Left the scene of the accident? Left the scene of the guy who got in an accident. Oh, yeah, right. You don't have that much pull there.

No, and that guy left. Left the scene of the accident? Left the scene of the accident. The other guy? The other guy, and the Uber driver took the picture. That guy was totally wasted driving. And he was driving a Tesla. And the other thing is you can't. That's what sucks is when you leave,

it's actually good to leave the scene of an accident when you're drunk driving because even if they come get you the next day, you can be like, yeah, accident was my fault, blah, blah, blah, but they can't prove you were drunk. Oh, my God. Don't tell people that. This is...

They know that. Don't drive drunk. Well, don't drive drunk, but if you do and you want to get out of it, leave the scene of an accident. Oh, my God. Shut the fuck up. Anyway.

Sign up for Repsy.com. They'll never leave the scene of the accident when you're on tour. They'll book your tour. They'll never leave you. They'll never leave the scene of the accident when you're on tour. They'll book your tour. They'll never leave you. They'll never leave you. They only take a certain percentage. Yeah. I don't know what it is, actually.

I don't know what it is. It might be different for different things. I think if you have an agent, they don't take a cut. Nope. But if you have an agent, if you don't have an agent, they call that the Bongiorno Clause.

The Bongiorno Clause. JBG. Shout out to John Bongiorno. Dude, you have my favorite agent. I have the best agent. I love your agent. John Bongiorno clause the bonjourno jbg i love shout out to john bonjour you have my favorite i have the best agent i love you john bonjourno is the he's so funny god he's just so sweet he came to our show in bonnaroo you know yeah he came out to bonnaroo he's like that's cool he showed up for seven hours he flew into nashville came to our show and then drove back to nashville just so we can make his flight so he could probably skipped

a perfectly good mets game that he could have went to or you know he loves baseball cards he could have been at the baseball card exposition could have been getting hard off that uh he has some nice cards dude i saw that he's got sick cards yeah if you're into that hit up john bongiorno he'll uh he'll you the the lowdown but yeah he showed up Schwartz showed up he flew in from London it was just it just felt like

I was loved and sometimes I forget I forget that cause I'm working so fucking much all the time so shout out to everyone who showed up to Bonnaroo

and Red Rocks my parents everyone I love it the band did a great job the band killed it maybe go ahead and thank the band at some point

they know how much I love them. They killed it. They kill it every time. No bonus for this weekend, probably. Poor Sean. Sean has cataracts, so he can't see. Then he had an eye infection. That's why he can't do the surgery.

He can't do the surgery, and he's just blind, and he just hears. There's always something going on with that guy. I know. Poor guy. Can't catch a break. I had to take him, because we did that sit-in, that Battle of the Bands thing,

and he was so jacked up. He's like, we got to this we gotta do this we gotta do this i'm like sean just take a breath dude we're gonna do this he runs hot he runs hot i like that he's a ferrari you know what i mean yeah that's why i worry about him because if he runs too high he's gonna have a panic attack and break down over some i don't think he can have a panic attack i don't think he can go that far really i think he just stays at eight you know i've been given more of these dialed in gummies though he has a good life though i like his wife a lot i like his dogs are cool toby's the shit he does have a good life he just uh you know he has he put so much pressure on himself that's why he's good money i know but like after rocking Red Rocks and Sunday playing two gigs he did like

a solo gig. He's a machine. And then he did the Yacht Club that night. I'm like Sean you need to take a break. He's a machine. I gotta make money for this family. I'm like well I'm gonna respect the fuck out of him. That's Midwest right there. Missouri. That's a Missouri fucking work ethic. You know?

It's a Missouri work ethic. We don't flip pictures of apes for money you know we go to we go to work we go to work um but i did start giving them those cans of dialed and gummies he's been eating them and he's been eating them and he it's mailing them out they're good for that yeah i mean that's why i love these shout out to dialed and gummies they're our other sponsor yeah i think i feel like they've meld me out, too. And I haven't really been thinking about Ambien. Keith came to Red Rocks.

I didn't see him. I texted him a little bit, but I never ran into him. Yeah, Keith said he came to Red Rocks, too. And I didn't talk to him. Well, that's Keith, though. I was like, I'm so sorry we broke your gumball machine. Oh, you broke it? You piece of shit. He's like, it's all good.

I'll find you more shit to break. I'm like, let's fucking go. Those are the type of sponsors who understand the brand. They understand the brand. How bad is it broken? I mean, I threw it on Floyd when he was on there and it broke. At least you broke it doing something worthwhile. Physically assaulting Floyd.

Floyd gets me so amped up. I love being the shit on the stage. He's becoming the best performer in the band almost oh my god he's amazing i don't understand his energy is it is it i don't understand how much of it is an act and how much of it's just no man i we played his wedding in nantucket have i talked to you since the wedding not really we played his wedding in nantucket where we got to back up he used to go on tour with Presidents of the United States of America. I saw that in the pics.

I was like, what the hell? And then he was in this band called Spooky Daily Pride. And that guy was there who hasn't played music in 12 years because now he's a director. He's directing A24 films and shit. The guy from Presidents? Spooky Daily Pride. Oh, okay, okay.

And Floyd was like that in his bands. Spooky would hide him in a trash can for the whole set, and he'd be playing inside a trash can, and Spooky would be kicking the trash can and shit, and then Floyd would pop up out of the trash can at the last set. So he was stuck in that trash can. For an hour. Yeah.

It's fucking epic. Floyd needs to do his memoirs or something. I want to read the Floyd book. I love Floyd. 25-year-old Floyd, I need to hear everything about it. I hope he does it quick because we pick on him so much, but I think he can handle it. I think he can handle it.

I mean, push comes to shove. He could kick every one of your asses. I know. If there was a real fight, he would beat the fucking shit out of every one of you. Right. He's ripped. So if you're in the Colorado area, buy some dialed-in gummies.

Yeah. Do you want one, Tweedie? Yeah, I'll have one. Why not? They gave us a new batch because I keep giving them out to all my fucking friends. Yeah. Well, we're going to have a great week. You know who's on the show tonight?

Jen Hartswick and Nigel Hall. Yeah. Yeah. I got really into his solo album over pandemic for two weeks. Yeah, he's awesome. And actually, we were beefing during quarantine. You remember that? Yeah, but I was kind of before I was hanging with you.

Yeah, he was talking shit a little bit. And I was like... He wasn't as bad as some other people. No. And then we calmed it down. I mean, he had a point, to be fair. He didn't know that you guys were being safe. You know what I mean?

Yeah, he was talking about the masks and stuff or something. He didn't know that people were getting tested and blah, blah, but we we uh cleared the air online or on the podcast i love that and also he's sober and he talked about him getting sober which was fucking heavy yeah because he told what how he his fucking down you know his what do they call that when you're on ground the ground level like they call that uh rock bottom rock bottom yeah he told us all about that and we had jen hart's also a brewery chain rock bottom you ever heard of rock bottom brewery maybe it's just a midwest thing oh um but you're gonna love this engine the first episode yeah jen it was after they're together at midnight oh yeah yeah it was pretty

soft oh no actually obviously he wasn't and then stacy came it was just awesome because we were all it was late night it was like midnight after we played after like freezing lettuce played backstage we did backstage and it was just a vibe we didn't get any video so all the people watching that's okay it's okay you're still you got to be you got to be face to face yeah and i got that it was it was yeah and sometimes when you do video when you're face to face weird some people get stage fright so it was like it was good that nigel nizel does not have stage fright that full says i don't know him very well but i don't see him having stage fright he's a very confident confident man he should be the way he plays keys and sings but seeing jen there i love jen hartwick so much

she's like such a real friend you know she calls me and checks in on me. She's a good person. Yeah. That's why I could tell because, you know, Bayless loves her too. Everybody loves her. She's the best. Alright, guys. There's probably someone out there that's... Everyone has a mortal enemy, right? Right, right. And I gotta say something. I'm gonna do the

motivation today. Good. Don't give up on your fucking dreams. They might take 15 fucking years. Don't you fucking, you put that microphone away. Put the microphone down. It might take 15 years. It might take two years. It might take three fucking shows like this

jabroni over here. Yeah, my dream was to be one of the bottom artists on Madison House in 2014. Whatever it is, keep fighting. Keep going. Even if you have low ticket sales right now keep fighting it's everyone's having low ticket sales don't worry about it eat your diet and gummies sign into repsy be happy with that you're actually trying a lot of people don't try a lot of people keep their dreams in their head and they and then you know what does that do

go try to fulfill them even if you fail at it because if you fail you're gonna learn something about yourself and you're gonna keep going and you're gonna fuck shit up next time so keep fucking shit up and be the person you want to be because life is too short not to fulfill all those weird fucking dreams and kinks okay that's it you told me not to oh yeah I told you not to talk yeah okay bye guys we love you

enjoy Jen Hartswick enjoy Nigel Hall even Ryan Stacey showed up for a little cameo on the interview like he always does oh weird Ryan hey Ryan

he's like I'm coming in here regardless I know both of you he doesn't usually like attention shut the fuck up alright you're done put that microphone away I know both of you. He doesn't usually like attention. Shut the fuck up. All right, you're done.

Put that microphone away. All right, next up on the interview hour, we have Jen Hartswick from Trey Anastasio Band and Nigel Hall from Lettuce. I love this interview. It was just great. We all got to get together after we played Fool's Paradise. Shout out to Live for Love Music. And we got two of these guys in the room.

I've already had Jenny on the show. I've never had Nigel. And those guys are such close friends that we thought we just might do a trio podcast. Get to hear Nigel's story. And because Trey Anastasio Band is playing, we got Jen on the show for a Peach Fest installment. So ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the interview hour, Jen Hartswick and Nigel Hall. Don't press record yet. We're pressing record.

It's going down. Wow. Yeah. Nigel and Jennifer. Hello. First off, how long have you known each other? Shit. I've never thought about that. I don't know. Neither have I. I don't want to think of a time where I didn't know you known each other? Shit. I've never thought about that.

I don't know. Neither have I. I don't want to think of a time where I didn't know Nigel. Really? Yeah, but it probably has been. I know. I love you a lot. You are like a family.

It's got to be, I don't know, 15 plus years. Yeah, at least. At least. Yep. What was the first moment y'all met? I don't remember i just know that you've been a part of my life for a long time but i'm not great i don't know we probably had a festival somewhere we're ready to do each other bear creek or something yelling at each other you're terrible yeah they're really bad

hold on you're terrible at blocking the door. Oh, I guess it's Stasek, so. Here he is. Here he is. Any fucking room he wants to. He just rolls in there. He doesn't care. He doesn't knock. He doesn't bring us pizza. Hey, didn't bring us no pizza.

Just come in here and just stuff in this. Goddamn it, I was. More of you throw that shit at me. How long have y'all three of you known each other? Oh, man. Way longer than. I've known you. Way longer than.

Way longer than. Way longer than. How long have y'all three of you known each other? Way longer than- Way longer than- Way longer than- I've known Ryan Stasek at least 18 years, if not more. To be continued. Ooh, get out.

No. Okay, yes. The cameo. The cameo. Pink T-Base is cute. How many years have mean How many years Have all y'all been Around in this

You're new to this scene No In a sense or no No I'm probably new-ish Okay And In comparison to

All of the guys That are at Lettuce All the guys That are in Soul Live Cause that's probably Where we first met Yeah probably Soul Live

Soul Live About 15 that's probably where we first met, was when I was in Soul Live about 15 fucking years ago, basically. And I want to say it was at a Bear Creek or something like that. One of my fondest memories of us is at Bear Creek.

Jennifer was doing her, she was doing a show, and she asked me to come and sit in i went in i showed up i was fucking hammered it was a great night i was hammered tell it tell it like it is and then i'll tell the real version because because uh i remember that i was you know how you can be just hammered enough to be killing. Or at least you think so in your mind. And I was just hammered enough to go up and get the job done the way I wanted to and go play a solo. She was like, you want to play a song?

And I was like, no, I'll just come up solo. And I went up, my solo, and I think I played like three notes. And they were the dopest three notes of all time. And I was just out. It's like, fuck it, I'm out. I bent a note, and it was like this for like 10 seconds. And then I just walked off the stage. God gave it to me.

I just felt so good. And I walked off. I think that's what. It's so far away! What is going on here? My brother, of the two of us, who would remember what actually happened or not? Guy who's hammered and trying to recall the story, or chick who's sober who's starting at 3am. Here's what happened. My friend, you came up and sang something.

I did, I sang. You sang. You came, you sang. and sang something. I did, I sang. You sang, you came, you sang. Oh my God. And then at the end of it. Hammered? I say hammered. Of course. My recollection was you had taken a bunch of mushrooms

and were hammered, but who am I? Jesus. Anyway, I mean, if we're airing all the grievances. So you came up, sang something. I introduced the shit out of you so lovingly. And I was like, man, how am I going to follow that? And you go in the mic, you can't. And you walked out safe.

It's on film. It's on film, my friend. It's on film? Yeah, and you later apologized for it. All which has slipped your memory. But that's how it went down. But I like your three note. That probably happened too, but it wasn't that.

Because I remember that being on film. But I like your three note. That probably happened too, but it wasn't that. Because I remember that being on film. But I don't know. I don't remember anything. What goes on in your head? When you're going, when you're like, do you get into competitive mode when you're out there trying to kill? Yes. Is that what it is? Yes.

That's why you do that? Hence the jerseys. Yeah. Hence the jerseys. And here's why. Because, and we'll get into this later at some point, but I always said, aside from, I mean, I'm not even relating it to music,

but in the sense of teamwork. Yeah. To me, the greatest band in the world is the 96 Bulls. Okay. You know who that is jen very familiar get up and slap the out of you real talk she should get up and slap it with the kids say no cap she's just like that but my my favorite band is the 96 bulls yeah and to watch the level of teamwork,

yes, it was Michael Jordan, but Michael Jordan would not have been as great as he would have been had he not had the support that he had to communicate with while on the court, while on the bandstand. We all have a part to play. We all have a position to play. And have a position to play and when we play the out of it when everybody is on stage on the same page of the same paragraph of the same

book of the same word everybody's on the one i'm scoring 60. yeah i'm gonna score 60 and you're not gonna stop me yeah and and and and i'm gonna make sure that everyone around me at least scores 40. yeah i'm scoring 60. but is your face posterizing all in your face like that like that but this is the kobe syndrome though too all of it it's so have you ever like took a step back and read the room like Jen was like trying to hype you up I don't I that's that that's my biggest problem I don't read the room because when I'm on stage the room is mine yeah so it doesn't matter what the room is you know I know low-key don't be what I want it to be while I'm there yeah and

when I'm gone it can be whatever the fuck it wants to be you know what I'm there and I'm in control of it I'm gone, it can be whatever the fuck it wants to be. But when I'm there and I'm in control of it, I should be able to determine what happens in that room. This reminds me of that situation at Krasner's wedding when you fucking took it over, bro.

Did you hear about this, Jen? Tell me all about it. Oh, my God. It was a good bit. It was a good bit. As the, like, not knowing what's going on, you're a good front man. And you killed it.

He sang some Donny Hathaway. Yeah. So how important, why did Krasner tell you about, why did he want you to sing at his wedding? Well, he wanted me to sing at the wedding. Krasner's my best friend. If it wasn't for Kras, I would not have been able to do a lot of the things that I've been able to do. I would not have had all the opportunities.

I wouldn't have met all the wonderful people that I know, like you guys. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He basically, I've been fucking singing that song forever. And that's just one of his favorite songs. If he wanted me to sing fucking Three Blind Mice for his wedding, I would have sang it. Yeah.

Because Crash not only is one of my favorite musicians in the world, I'm a huge, not only just one of my inspirations, but he's my fucking friend. And it's really good to be able to hold him to that as well as not only just being a colleague But just like being my fucking homie like you guys are sitting here. I'm having a conversation with my friends Yeah, you know I'm saying so I'm so completely different It's a completely different thing and I'll do anything for my friends Right who I love and who I respect who love and respect me is loyalty important to both of you

very much to me super important yeah especially being in this scene for so long like like i see you hanging outside stage for both lettuce for um freeze it's just like you just support each other man it's it's not hard you just be a good person you know and and when people do that for me i really really appreciate it it. And nothing is fake about that. We're all just out here trying to do it and trying to do the best we can. And the more support that we have from people we love, the better we are. I mean, it's always beautiful from the crowd, like having that support. But having the support of your friends hanging on the side of the stage is everything.

You came to my set. You came to my set today. You know what I mean? Thank you. You were fucking killing so hard. Oh, my God. You were so killing. Thanks, man. It was early and it was hot. Thank you set today you know what i mean thank you so hard thank you thanks man it was early and it was hot thank you but you know what i mean like that you know that that goes a long way i agree i mean it's friendship yeah you know it's like we could be it goes back to my

question the competitiveness is going to always be in there to drive us but like if we take a step back and say hey we're supporting our homies right that's what I was saying exactly that was like I was saying like Jen's like give it up for the best keyboard player on the fucking planet Nigel Hall you fuck yourself but see that's the thing is that people know me so well that they know that that kind of bullshit that I do comes from a place of love yeah and it comes from a place of real respect and love. And like, I wouldn't be that way with you if I didn't really, really fuck with you. It's like you walking on stage and flipping me off.

That's the most loving thing you could ever do to me. I'll do it all the fucking time and I will continue to do it. Thanks, honey. I love you too. I love you too. Did you ever get a point, like, I'm like wondering why you got sober in a sense for, like, you ever get to a point.'m like wondering why you got sober in a sense for like you ever get to a point well like I'm just wondering like has that ever been like a point where it's like I'm being an asshole for well I'm gonna

tell you this right now even listening to that story is almost it's pretty embarrassing yeah a little bit just just a. Like, I'm glad that we have that. Yeah. You know, I will say that the only reason that it's embarrassing is because it's embarrassing in the sense of, like, okay, for instance, I'm 40 now, and this is how I acted in my 20s and in my 30s. Which I'm supposed to be acting really like that. To be honest. Like, you know, we i'm supposed to be acting really like that to be honest like

you know we're all supposed to fucking wild the fuck out and you know it just gets to a point where i was telling somebody earlier today you know what is it what's the saying when i was when when i was a child i did childish things and when i grew up i put away those childish things and became a man and did man shit yeah so um you know, it was just, for me, it was just, I had gotten to a point where I was fucking sick of how I was feeling. And the feeling I got when I got high and when I got drunk was not worth feeling

the way that I felt when I wasn't anymore. And going through what I went through anymore. You know, the fucking always lying to somebody and like, who'd you go out last night? Oh, kept, nigga, you know you was out last night. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, whatever, motherfucker. You know what I'm saying?

You know, all of the... That's a huge thing, is because I don't have to fucking worry about people in my shit really anymore. I've always been that way. I've always been the type of motherfucker... My campaign is mind your fucking business. And I think that if everybody minded their fucking business, every day the world be a better place in this man I

want to say this and I and I'm saying this from from a place of real honesty if this person if this man wakes up one day and doesn't identify with the fact that he is he's if he identifies himself as a woman when he gets up and puts on a dress and some high heels let that motherfucker do what the fuck he want to do because it don't affect you let these people live the way that they want to live yeah you know what I'm saying just because you do that don't affect none of my bills and it don't affect none of my sleep and until it don't affect none of my sleep. And until it does, do what the fuck you want to do.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Mine, if people just leave me the fuck alone, and people just leave other people the fuck alone. Stay out of people's business. It ain't got nothing to do with you. Right. You know what I'm saying?

And it's got to be hard. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Yeah, that's some shit. I don't even want to open a can of worms, but it's got to be harder. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! I don't even want to open a can of worms, but it's got to be even harder being a black man in 2022. It's worse than that, because here's the thing.

Like I was telling you earlier today. We were talking, and I'll tell you, Jen, we were talking about the Pels games, and somebody called me and asked me if they wanted me to sing the national anthem. I'm like, fuck that. I'm not singing the national anthem for a country that I got to worry about my kids walking down the fucking

street and getting their fucking heads blown off. Me too. I got to worry about that for myself. I got to worry. I have just my life and my children's lives are in danger every second of the day.

Every second of their lives. I mean, don't even fuck about me, no. I'm talking about them. I got to worry about them. It's hard when I have to talk to my kids and they go through situations that you know are race driven and you know because my kids are in a predominantly white area and you know they to hear their frustration it really makes me it makes me angry because I can't do anything about it right whether I'm there or not it makes

me angry because are you what you naturally you want to console your children and you want to make it better for them and unfortunately with that situation it's only gonna get worse it's only gonna get worse so I tell them you know don't you know keep your head down don't do anything that you don't need to do. But if one of them crackers put their hands on you, you let them fucking feel it. Right.

You let them feel it. Because if you put your fucking hands on me, black or white, you getting these hands. Right. You might not get, you put your hands on me, you might not get them back. I might have four hands. I'd be baddest keyboard player in the fucking world.

Okay? I'll figure out how to use them motherf. I might have four hands. I'd be baddest keyboard player in the fucking world. Yeah. Okay? I'll figure out how to use them motherfuckers one way or another. Play with your toes. You know what I mean? Yeah. But, yeah. Is it hard to know that you have no control?

We've never had any control. And the sad thing is that you get used to it. The sad thing is that you... Isn't that just numbing? All you can do is, like Malcolm said, all you can do is take care of your family and teach your children the right way. Teach your children what's right.

Teach them what's wrong. And let them grow up and be what they gonna be right we are preparing our children for some shit we don't even know what's gonna be you know i'm saying i heard that on a podcast the other day it's fucking the realest shit ever right you know but um all i know is to live my life right, to do what is right, help people when you can, don't be a fucking asshole. You know, that's why,

like when it comes to religion, I don't really, you know, every book says the same thing. Don't be a fucking jerk. Don't be a fucking jerk. Right. Do what the fuck you're supposed to do. Take care of your children and don't be a fucking jerk. do what the fuck you're supposed to do take care of your children

and don't be a fucking jerk and mind your business amen were you being a jerk when you're all fucked up yeah I was but in the

but again it was one of them things where like you had to know me you had to you had to know that it was coming from

a place of of love and it was coming from a place of love and it was just amplified. So it's just misunderstanding. It's a misunderstanding. Like, if you don't know me there, Peter, now there have been people who have been introduced. Like, for Jenny on the first day of the day. But what's the first day of the day?

Her. Okay, she fucking knew what was up. That's why she asked me to be there. Right. Because I was there for comic relief if anything um but there were times when people were introduced to me and you know and and i i'm talking to you about earlier i was you know reflection is uh is is a big thing it's it's it's a very important thing too and um i'm sometimes well not sometimes most of the time

being faced with a lot of the things that i did when i was getting high and drunk right you know what i'm saying and i gotta deal with that i gotta deal with that and i gotta make amends for it and i i love i love doing it i love facing it i love doing it because i'm not the time i'm not an i am i'm totally an asshole but i'm not you're sweet i'm not an ass yeah you know what i'm saying i really am a good person who is an i'm particular i'm a virgo okay that's all there it is I'm a Virgo were you ever an asshole Jim me I'm pretty Zen I'm zen about a lot of shit. I've been through a lot of shit and I'm pretty zen about it.

But you don't take no shit. No, why would I? I remember a time when you were going through some shit where you were just not taking no shit. And that was a time that I think you and I bonded and became really close friends. And then- What'd you learn about each other's relationship

that made you guys closer? I mean, with... I mean... Without talking about what happened, but like, you know... I just know that she has the same type of strength that I admire as a person that I didn't have at that time

right because without saying it she i think was might have been dealing with same i was dealing with not her but someone who she had loved yeah You know what I'm saying? Someone who she cared about didn't care about theyself. How hard is it to love someone? How hard is it to love someone who doesn't love themselves? It's almost impossible. It's almost impossible.

How hard is it to love someone who doesn't love themselves? Here's the thing. I was young, right? And so I was pretty sure that if I loved harder, I could fix everything. That somehow I was responsible for this person or in control of this person or whatever in the most loving way. And of course, that's just not the case so like you know i i learned through a lot of for through a decade of of absurd behavior uh that that is not true that is not my baggage right and like so i it it helped me like i mean in a weird way i'm grateful for it because it helped me

um decide where my barriers are where my walls are up where what I'm willing to put up with and not willing to put up with what I deserve and don't deserve all that kind of stuff and like and and now it's like I just you know sometimes compassion uh is shown through silence. You know what I mean? I'm like that too. Somebody who's like really going through it, really got like a lot of baggage and whatever.

Sometimes the kindest thing I could do is let you fucking go through it. Right. And I don't, like I'm here if you need me, but like I don't need to coddle you. I don't need to tell you my opinion. I don't need to whatever. You're grown as hell.

Right. So like, you know, but I don't need to whatever. You grown motherfucker. You grown as hell. Right. So like, you know, but I learned because of that situation, I learned where my boundaries are and I'm really fucking cool with those boundaries. And some people don't understand that. You know, well, how can you, how can you not like, it's not my, it's not my shit. And I'm, and I'm really cool with that.

I'm really grateful that I have that. That's the key. It is not my shit. that it's not we all have our own baggage if it's not if it's not for me then it's not for me but like how hard is it to disassociate someone else's bag is when you're in love with them it's probably impossible right you get sick of it it gets pretty it gets pretty easy. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why. Look,

I'm getting real personal here. I hope I don't get in trouble. This is too deep. No, it's not. I love this. This is perfect. This is what we do. This is what I'm trying to do. When

I had to come to Jesus moment with my wife, who I love so much because here's the thing is that my wife was at that point with me you know and she's like bro you got you got some shit you need to deal with right so either you are going to have me here to help you with it or you're going to deal with it on your own how long you been out of the way you're going to deal with it yeah you know what i'm saying and it's time it's time for you to do it for you to address this now because look at you you know what i'm saying do you remember the moment what was going

on tell me let me tell you i'll tell you exactly what happened i went out it was april 6th of last year i'm let me see let's get the let's get the actual count hold on one second i'm looking on my phone here. He can edit. It's great. Yeah, this is my phone. I don't even know. Let's see. 425 days. I'm 425 days clean and sober today. Cali sober. I'm 425 days Cali summer. Where the fuck did I go? And it was April.

Go ahead and math it. Let me see what day it is. You got to math it right now. I don't know. I don't know. It was April 6th. And I was out that night, and I got some blow, and I was out, and I was driving, and I shouldn't have been out driving, and I was out being a fucking jerk somewhere.

Being a jerk. There you go. And my wife was calling me and I wasn't picking up because I knew I was fucking up. And then when I got home, it was so crazy. Like, the fucked up thing is, is when you're getting fucked up like that, you don't think that nothing's going to happen to you. But if something does happen to you, are fucked you get scared think about this being a black man driving around at 5 30 in the morning with cocaine in my pocket cocaine probably all over my nose and in the car which is where which is when i got home i got out of the car and my wife had to go to work the next day and my god oh my god I'm a fucking

idiot and she and she got the car started somehow and went to work and she called me and she said look we gonna have to talk and when you and and anyone who is married who is listening to this when you when your wife says we need to talk don't matter don't care what you are doing that is not i got that sound effect you are doing all about nothing and she said you got to have a come to Jesus moment and right after she said that I went to my bar and I grabbed some whiskey good whiskey either was some fucking nasty ass trader joe's fucking whiskey and i took a big swig of it right and then i went and smoked like fucking five cigarettes and i was scared to death i didn't know ever that she was gonna leave me but she said look we gotta deal with this

and she's just during the day yeah during the day and she's like she decided to stand by me and i fucking love her for that so baby if you, if you're listening, I love you. Thank you so much for being with me. You're the best thing that's ever happened to me. I fucking love the fuck out of you forever. And, yeah. I mean, because I'm going to be straight up, bro. If it was me, if it was the other way around, I don't know, dog. I don't even know. I don't even know.

I don't even know if I'm built to deal with that kind of shit. Because look, I'm from Southeast D.C., bro. I'm out. I'm out. Well, it goes back to that competitive nature. I'm not saying that if it was her. I'm just saying that even if the shoe was on the other foot, it would not be as easy as she made it.

But it goes back to that competitive nature when someone is willing to try to help with you and we never listen to the help but now when we're down on the bottom we finally listen to the help i mean she saved your life bro saved my life bro and like i'm telling you my life has never been better than it is right now i have never crushed so hard in my life about anything i've never felt so good about the things that i did when i put spiritual out when i put my last record out spiritual that was kind of my old to fucking that shit like what and letting it go because after Because after I recorded all of that music, it was so easy to let it go.

I went to fucking rehab, and it was the best 30 days I'd spent away. It was fucking vacation. I went to fucking Antigua. I killed that shit. I'll clap to that. Clap, clap, clap. You know what I mean?

It was wonderful. It was great. I'm really just grateful to be on the other side of it. And to still have my fucking friends who knew me, who could have totally written me off. Who should have probably? Real talk, I still have my fucking job of playing with one of the greatest bands in the world.

I have my fucking favorite friends who are all fucking just as dope as I am. And we all get to be competitive and make records and live the life I wanted to live since I was a fucking kid. And I still have that. Most people lose all of that shit. I know, so that's a good point.

Like when is enough is enough. Like when is it time to love again? Like you had a bad situation, you had a bad relationship and then you found your squeeze or did you have a couple other things? That was it. So how, how, how, what are you doing? What are you? What are you spitting up? Was it the word? I'm sorry. Andy Brasco is the greatest of all time. I'm sorry. So, okay.

So how hard is it to love your, okay. It's double question. How hard is it to love someone again? And how hard is it to love yourself again? Who wants to go first? Jen, take the stage. You know, for me, when it's the right person, it's the right person, you know?

And my husband and I had known each other for a really long time and never, it was never like that. You know, we were friends and knew each other for like 15 years before we ever even like thought about it. And then we just sort of started hanging out. We hung out more. I was like, this is the easiest thing I've ever done in my life. Are you telling me that it can be this easy?

And we both did the same thing. We both came from super, you know, sort of messed up situations. And I was like, you gotta be kidding me that it could be this easy. We both just were sort of in awe and you know he's like he's the most consistent person i have ever met i mean i really mean that he is the same person today as tomorrow as the next day and that is something that i didn't have before was it hard to like see those good things not thinking i thought it was bullshit i thought there's no way this dude is actually like this

there's no way like someday I'm gonna see it someday six months down the road well it's ten years later man and he is not he's no bullshit he is like even keel yeah I mean you know right

you wanna hear something crazy my wife I am the Yeah I mean You know Right Yeah I just Check this out You wanna hear something crazy My wife I am the longest relationship That she's ever been in Word She

She said I can't deal with nobody For more She couldn't deal with nobody For more than a year Wow More than a year And then here she dealt with me

Fucking Cracky Onassis Fucking legendary Cracky Crackson And the Crack me, fucking Cracky Onassis. Fucking legendary. Cracky Craxton and the Cracktones over here. Craxons with Randy and Reby. It's pretty wild, though, like what people go through to stay with people through the core of love. Yeah. Like even through all the yeah like even through all the even through all the addictions even through all the trauma even through all the

suppression right they will see something in those purse people will see here's the second part of your question is about loving yourself right loving yourself i have learned comes with forgiving yourself for being a fuck up, forgiving yourself, really, really, truly forgiving yourself. That was really hard for me to do because it was hard for me to face what I had actually really done. And when you're numb, bro,. Bro, I cry every day. I cry so much. I am like a little bitch.

What do you cry about now versus what you cried about before? You know what, I'm going to tell you what I'm going to say. Last night when I drove home, drove back to the hotel after the gig. Right. I'm driving. I'm psyched because they rented me this nice little Challenger. I'm washing it every day. But I drove home and I was listening to

Aretha Franklin, Amazing Grace. It came on my shuffle and I was like, fuck that. I won't listen to this whole record. I had a whole hour to just reflect. To drive because I love to drive and driving is a time for me to really listen to music and just reflect and just be.

And I'm sitting there. And I just was overwhelmed with this emotion because of just gratitude. Like, I'm still fucking here, dude. I could have been fucking dead. With all the coke and all that shit. I could have been fucking dead. I could have been fucking dead. I could have been dead and alone. Yeah. Yeah. I could have been fucking dead. I could have been fucking dead. I could have been dead and alone.

Yeah. Yeah. I could have been alone. Fuck dead. She could have just left her ass. Because alone, it's not even that. It's not even just her, bro.

I could have been alone, which is worse, really, to me than death. I would have died than be by myself in this fucked up world. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And not have something like music to express the anger and the frustration and the love and the joy that I have for things and people at whatever time it is.

You know what I'm saying? Like, imagine just being by yourself. That's some fucked up shit. That is fucked up. Well, I got a question for you then, Nigel. Do you think the loneliness that you've had your whole life got you into taking drugs? You know. Because you always said you always felt like you were alone.

I didn't feel like I was alone. I just felt like I was different. And I think. Yeah, I'm still. I just felt like I was different. And I think... Yeah, I'm still fucking different than a motherfucker. We know. But I'm able to harness that power now. And the reason why I did drugs is because I didn't understand it. With great power comes great responsibility, right?

Right. And I wasn't ready for that responsibility, but I also wasn't ready for that responsibility but i also wasn't ready for that power when i got it right you know right because if you think about i by the time i was 29 right i had been all over the world twice i had played with my heroes i had been all over the world twice mm-hmm I played with my heroes I had been I played at places I always dreamed of playing from a child you know by the time I was 34 35 I won a couple Grammys right you know I got sat in a room for

17 years with the blinds down and just doing cocaine and making records no you're just on my fucking donald fagan but like you know when you see your after you shout out to donald fagan that was really good when you see how you finally see all your dreams and you're at and you're only 34 and like maybe that's like an existential crisis where it's like and it was cool but i wasn't like what am i gonna do now you were present i wasn't present for it like it was cool and i really couldn't i really couldn't enjoy it because i wasn't present right for it and not to mention i was alone right i didn't have nobody at that time and i don't think I was I wasn't with my wife then I did I had met her I've been through a series of fucking idiots yes we'll bleep that out

they know who they are but they made me the man I am today so thank you and you probably wouldn't met the girl you're with now because of the trial and error. I would not have been able to treat her correctly if it weren't for the fuck ups that I was with. Right. You know. It's pretty wild, man. You could probably delete.

You could probably edit. No, but isn't it wild how our life paths happen like that? I see Stasek. Stasek's here. Stasek! What up, Stasek? Shout out to Stasek. Shout out to Stasek. Stasek's here. What up, Stasek? Shout out to Stasek. Shout out to Stasek.

You don't want to know. Don't even want to know. Go on, Stasek. Yeah. You're the Mr. Present. You're Mr. Present. How do you, do you agree with what he says?

Like how it's like, when you're on this path of your career and you take a step back, you never could take a step back because you can't enjoy it because you're always fucked up through it. You weren't like that? Don't get it wrong.

I was enjoying very much myself. Okay. I was enjoying it. But it was better. It's better to enjoy those things when you're present and able to be there to actually enjoy them rather than numbing yourself doing what you think is fun. Yeah.

And it's fucking your shit up. It's not really allowing you to see the greatness that you've actually achieved. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's some huge shit. Well, that goes back to our point of loving ourselves we didn't love ourselves and forgiving yeah but it's true though like is it hard to love yourself Jeff I'm pretty good at it yeah you are that's okay you know like I'm from 42

years old it's I've been through a lot of shit. I come from an amazingly loving family who told me I could do anything I wanted in life. I'm a really, really lucky human being. I believe it all. Whether it's bullshit or not, I it all you know we all would we all deserve it we all we're all great at something we're all necessary we're all you know all those things you know so how do you tell that advice to a man who's never loved himself he's working on it but forgiveness is such a massive part you know yeah I'd fuck me part you know yeah I'd fuck me but like you know like that's the knowledge we're trying to give to the people when they're fucking in that hole yeah like

that's the hardest part someone up from that right nice oh I can tell you from experience that with me I am learning more and more every day to love myself which one come on like I cry all the time like i had the time of reflection and i had that time of you know and then reflection is not always of good things it's all it's of things that you know maybe you've done it you're embarrassed about and you're like fuck why did i do that but the key to that the key is is that you cannot change what has happened. You cannot determine what will happen. You can only live now. Because what happens is you will fight the fucking wall.

The wall always wins. How long did it take you to learn that knowledge? Longer than it fucking should have. Yeah. Okay. Longer than it should have. Why does it always have to take us to get to? Because I'm a fucking should have. Yeah. Okay. Longer than it should have. Why does it always have to take us to get to- Because I'm a fucking Virgo.

And I'm hard headed. I know. But I'm an Aquarius. I'm the same way. And I got a little diesel. I got a fucking- Why does it sometimes take the- I got to keep putting my fucking hand in the fire before I get, until I get burned enough.

It's stubbornness. Which means I'm going to do it again. We're stubborn. Like a fucking idiot. We're fucking stubborn. Are you stubborn? On top of that, add the fact that I'm the dopest musician of all time. Yeah.

On top of it. No, I'm just kidding. I'm confident. I'm like that. And here's another thing. Your ego is not your amigo. No. Your ego is not your amigo. No. Your ego is not your amigo.

But it goes back to the beginning of the conversation we had of like the competitiveness. When the competitiveness is kind of a shield. I just want to say this is the closest I'm going to ever get to Carson. This is the baddest shit of all time. I love this. This is, you know, it's like the competitive keeps, I mean,

the ego is not sure. I'm the jam band Carson daily. But it's so true, man. The competitive got us to here, but we forgot all the other stuff, like loving ourselves while we're being competitive. And that's what fucked us in the long run. And for you to find the light, I'm going to clap it up.

Let's all clap it up. We're all going to figure it out. We're all going to figure it out. Sometimes it takes longer than it needs to, but hey, better late than fucking never. Real talk. I think also besides forgiveness, it out sometimes it takes longer than it needs to but hey better late than never yeah real talk because i think also like you know besides forgiveness there's i think a giant sort of belt of worthiness that we all deal with too like on whatever level it is and whatever your issues are

whatever but i think we all struggle with that and i was talking to my mom about it a couple weeks ago she's like you know that may be the only reason we're here right is to like feel worthy right and like i think it goes in waves i mean i think that like i i felt cool like that it was never a thing as a kid but man when i grew up like and i and i don't i don't really think about stuff like that i don't really allow myself to go that deep about stuff it's just like i keep moving keep moving keep moving and i and i really like in the last couple years it really keeps coming up in in my emotional well-being is like this sort of feeling of unworthiness or feeling i'm like where the did that come from

is it getting older because i don't know it's either getting older or it's yeah go ahead right i didn't want to be a part of this but I'm a part of this come on sometimes life changes the truth that I heard I read this today and I think my wife posted it was about people need to realize that life is not always about achieving sometimes about coasting and you need to be able to coast really well

because coasting sometimes where you need to be before you have to achieve again or descend or wherever but coasting is what it's all about and the baby I'm coasting sometimes where you need to be before you have to achieve again or descend or wherever but coasting is what it's all about and the baby I'm coasting So if you're, if, if, if someone who's listening to this, who is probably confused or out of it, what would you give? What advice would you give them? If you, what kind of advice would you give someone who you, you know, like you went through your ups and downs of life ever. We all have. How do you say these same things to someone who is so low at the moment? Why did it take your wife to pick up all the coke out of the fucking room?

Her car was dead. She still made me clean it up, so she didn't do that. Go ahead, Jamie. But you know what I'm saying. It took this bottom right for us to wake up right is that ego

that is definitely ego I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you why I feel that way because you know I'm active in AA okay

and I hear some of the shit that some of them niggas went through right that was their rock bottom. Right. And you want to talk about fucking gratitude? Yeah. You want me to say so we can be frank on this show?

Hey, I wasn't under a bridge with a dick in my mouth. Right. Waiting for fucking cocaine or some sort of fucking drugs somebody give me. I didn't have to do the bullshit like that. It's like Dave Chappelle from Half Baked. Going to rehab. I smoke a little weed. You ever suck dick for some?

You know what I'm saying? But I never had to do that. Exactly, I never had to do that. My rock bottom was feeling and being alone. My rock bottom was feeling and being alone. Yeah. And me being alone was because of me. It was because of choices that I was making that was keeping me alone when I had all of the support and all of the good shit that I needed to function as a regular, real fucking human being who is already crazy anyway right so why do I need to do things to make me more what I think was more crazy

right you know what I would tell somebody is I know things get fucking rough and things get fucked up but at at the end of the day, the choice is yours. You have to be. My mother used to say it all the time. She said, you can shit in one hand and want in the other. And at the end of the day, the choice is yours to get your shit together because it's yours. It's not Jennifer's. It's not to get your shit together because it's yours.

It's not Jennifer's. It's not Andy's. It's not Kraz's. It's not Jamie's. It's not nobody's. It's not self. What's your name? But it's mine. I have to deal with that.

Totally. But we're in an occupation where it's so selfless. We give everyone else everything. We forget about ourselves. That's why it's necessary to give back to yourself. Take the time that you need to be away from fucking people if you need to. Right. But also, by the same token, it's that worthiness shit.

It's because you give everybody else the respect, but do you actually give yourself the respect in return? Exactly. Like what is your shit that you need to deal with? And do you feel worthy of that help that you would give any neighbor any day? And the answer so often is no. You know? People think backstages after shows are just about cocaine and partying. Look at us.

We're talking about real shit. Sometimes it's 358 and it rhymes with Jacek who's driving right now and I wish you could see it. Oh, he just dropped it like it was hot. Thank you so much

for doing this. I could talk to you guys for hours. I fucking love you, Andy. You're a fucking, I'm a huge fan of yours. You guys are good. You are a bad motherfucker, bro.

I just enjoy your energy. I enjoy your competitiveness. Come get fan of yours. You guys are good. You are a bad motherfucker, bro. I just enjoy your energy. Yeah. I enjoy your competitiveness. Come get all of this. Yep. Well, I appreciate it, guys. I just want to learn because, you know, we're all going to be friends for a while. I hope I don't burn any bridges.

We should do a record together one day. We should just do a fucking. We should start a metal band called Death Smack. I love it. And we show up when we feel like it. Hold on, don't tell me to show up. You don't even invite it in here. You just invite it yourself in here like you

all again. Three times. This is the fourth time. I did not knock. Alright, we're done. We're done. Guys, I just want to say thank you for being part of the show. We're done. We're done. We're done. Guys, I just want to say, thank you for being part of the show. Thank you for having me. I love you guys.

This is real. This is what life's about, being friends. Like you said before, let's start bands and stuff, but let's actually be friends too. Let's fucking be homies, bro. And let's fucking check on each other. That's what we need to do. Now that I know that right now,

come through, come get some of these jerseys. Yeah, go on. There come come get some of these virtual hugs. You know what I'm saying? Stacey, we are going up in his mouth right now. Guys, I love you. It's all love everybody. And thank you so much for just talking about.

I know we didn't talk anything about music, but fuck it. Okay, we got a little Franklin in there. They know we're dope. We don't need to beat them in the head with that. Okay, so I always end a conversation with this. When it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? What do I want to be remembered by? I want people to remember the joy that they experienced while in my presence. Together.

Yep. You know what I mean? Just the joy that we experienced together. I love it. That's it. I want my legacy to be two things. One, something that my children can be proud of when I'm gone right something that they can have and say yo that was my father mm-hmm and the

second part to that is I want whoever comes in contact with anything of mine any part of that legacy that I'm leaving behind i want them to know that it came from the the bowels of who i am and that i'm a vessel of something bigger than all of us and that i'm a bad and if um you were mean during cocaine they they just misunderstood i'm sorry and if you're mean when you're on high on cocaine that they were just you were mean during cocaine, they just misunderstood you. I'm sorry? And if you were mean when you were high on cocaine, you were just misunderstood. I might have meant it.

Let's go. That's that honesty I'm looking for. Maybe I had to cut you out. If I was high, then you really got it. You probably deserved it. I used to be scared of you, Nigel. Really? You called me out on some

COVID mask thing or something during the quarantine. We were beefing a little bit. I'm like, I'm going to kill this motherfucker right now. We were beefing a little bit. We had a little beef, but I'm so glad we're not beefing. I got no more beef no more, bro.

I'm not beefing with nobody no more. I'm too glad we're not beefing, bro. We ain't beefing anymore. I ain't got no rules of beef no more, bro. I'm not beefing with nobody no more. I'm too old to be tussling with people, man. You know what I realized? But that's what it is, you know? I was talking to you about this and Bayless about this. We go through so much things that our spouses won't get. Well, your spouse. You got a badass.

But they won't get. Well, your spouse. You got a badass. They won't get some of this shit. The relationships, the bonding, the camaraderie that we have, the brotherhood we have with our band versus what we bring home to our family life. So this right here is special and I want you to know that. We're friends.

Alright, I'm out all right goodbye umphrey's crew is the best first of all the fact that they did that for you yeah a little bit and then they did you see what these guys work their ass off for three days and then they still help you out yeah and then they they printed out all those pictures of my feet and put them all backstage yeah heller next time you want to do that a bit to get Andy, I'm speaking specifically to Matt Heller. We need to table it up. We got to table it up first. I didn't land because here's the problem.

I get the idea, but you're dealing with... Were they trying to rip on me? Yeah. The problem is they don't realize that you are a shameless bastard, okay? And that when you walk into a room of picture yourself you're not like oh my god i'm so embarrassed you're like yes hell yeah pictures of me everywhere i'm not a narcissist don't try to uh i know not exactly but the problem here matt and i'm not mad at you because you're going off what a normal person would do to something like that because

you know mostly normal people so it's not your fault you can't embarrass andy frasco no no end of story yeah yeah i'm already embarrassing enough he can embarrass himself ah we're gonna you want to embarrass him just like tell his mom he has a girlfriend in front of him that'd be that would get you way more right yeah yeah my mom my mom was so funny this weekend yeah we're gonna try to get her on the show while she's still in town. Marlene. Marlene Fransko. I love her. Big week.

What are we going to do? I'm in town, so we're going to do a bunch of content. I just have a gig and a rehearsal. Opio, baby. Oh, yeah, you're playing with Opio. On Sunday, but so it's before this comes out. You're going to have a great time. No, it comes out tomorrow. Oh, that's right're playing with O.P.O. On Sunday, but so it's before this comes out. You're going to have a great time.

No, it comes out tomorrow. Oh, that's right. This is tomorrow. Yeah, I'm playing Colorfield on Sunday. We're headlining Sunday. Colorfield is a festival in Denver, Colorado. Levitt Pavilion. At the Levitt.

That's going to be big for you. You know who's right before us? Fleming Gosis. I love that guy. He's dope. You know Sarah Shaw manages them. Not anymore, but she did. She doesn't work for them anymore. He's cool. I like them he played that um fool's paradise he's like the nicest coolest and his

music's just a good time yeah yeah so go see nick i am i just started making my new record i was in nashville i saw galbuta who's a badass wrote a couple songs with steve polt wrote a couple songs with paul mcdonald oh galbuta was you guys getting to some territory where you're riffing and stuff oh yeah he knows the scene and he could talk like he's a good talker you know like we were just ripping pop pop pop if me and him did a podcast you'd have to delete half of it he's flying to denver we're gonna ride we're gonna ride in denver we're gonna get him on here I've been talking about songwriting. Yeah. And then, so I'm here for, I'm in Denver for two weeks. I'll be in LA for this weekend because I've got to record. Are you going to LA?

Yeah, I'm working with Kenny Karki again. What day? Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Okay, cool. I got us tickets to Dodgers Rockies too. When's that? Next Monday. Here?

Here. Oh, yeah, that's right. When's that? Next Monday. Here? Here. Oh, yeah. They're playing Monday and Tuesday. That's all right. They're already back. We're going to do date night. Get all the girls out there. Julia loves going to baseball games. Yeah, it'd be fun.

Yeah. I'm going to bring Jill. And Bo, do you want to bring your new girlfriend? Yes. Bo is a fucking pimp these days. Jesus Christ. Three women texting me about three, three. One of them I knew for this. The other one was like this was I mean, I am so proud

of you, bow. I got that natural. That swag good looking. He's living in his own house now, so now he doesn't have to feel insecure about bringing women over to my house. He's got a better body than you do. He's hot. Bo, you're doing it. I'm really proud of you. Yeah, man. Fuck you.

I'm going to clap it up for Bo. No, not me. I'm jealous. The ladies love Bo. I'm filled with jealous rage about it. I know you are. It's okay. I miss it.

I miss being single. Julie, turn it off for a second. I miss being single. I miss talking, looking people in the eye during conversations. But now I can't because they'll fall in love with me if I do. I love it. And we can't have people falling in love with me.

You're just so hot and tempting. I'm so charismatic. You're so charismatic and hot and sexy. The thing about me is it's my charisma that gets them every time. Right, right. All right, have a great day. We're going to have a great week. It's going to be killer. You tuned in to the World's Health Podcast with Andy Fresco. Thank you for

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