Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 181: Taylor Meier (Caamp)

Episode Date: July 19, 2022

Nick reports back to Andy about his trip to Iceland: a land of strong people who have so little anxiety, how can an American even relate?! Andy asks the question: how will up and coming bands survive the impending music tour industry apocalypse? And on the Interview Hour, we got hot guy from a hot band, Taylor Meier from Caamp! Let's talk about how rad Columbus, OH is and the oft unrecognized, THRIVING music community there (Shoutout to Woodlands Tavern). This and so much more on EP 181...  Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new song, "Puff Break (Believe That)" on iTunes, Spotify  Check out inimitable Taylor Meier from Caamp: caamptheband.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Kanika Moore Arno Bakker

Andy Frasco, this is Kanika Moore from Doom Flamingo. I heard you're in town, and last time you were here, you got fucking wasted, and I didn't get to have one fucking conversation with you. So I'm just suggesting that while you're in town, I know that you said, actually, you said that whenever you come into town, I know that you said, actually, you said that whenever you come into town, oh, Charleston's crazy, you guys drink like maniacs, but I feel like you fit right in, so

don't do that. Please don't be a goddamn hooligan, and if you decide to be a hooligan, call me, because I'm going out too. Andy Frasco, Dwayne Overby with the Charleston Police Department. 43rd Precinct.

Man, we got notice you're back in town. I mean, we're, all of us, we're over it, Andy. Trying to figure out some kind of probable cause, but we ain't finding nothing. We're having a tough time here, Andy. We can't keep an eye on the sky and you

and everything else going on. So, appreciate it, Andy. We can't keep an eye on the sky and you and everything else going on. So, appreciate it, Andy. But this shit's got to end soon. And we're back. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. How you doing, Nick? Nick's back from

Iceland. We thought we lost him. I'm back. We thought we lost him. I'm back. We thought we lost him out there. It was awesome there. It was fun to go somewhere and be in one place the whole time. You know, like usually you... Yeah, give me the lowdown. What happened? Okay, so I went to Iceland.

Yeah. And that's it. No, I'm just kidding. So I flew there. First thing I noticed, the people there, there's no anxiety in Iceland, I noticed. Everybody's very calm and very, uh, cause no one wants to fuck with them. Well,

first of all, they're very intimidating people. They're all, did you know, like there's a gene there, a strong man gene there. Oh God. That's why 80% of the world's strongest men competition winners have been from

Iceland or something like that. It's all from one guy like Genghis Khan. All the girls like buff as fucking shit. The women are very attractive. They're like seven foot tall. No, it's like there's some Viking shit going on for sure, though, like Viking women. They don't laugh. They're not funny at all. They're just very relaxed and nice and just calm. That's a Europe thing. I think it's because they have health care. That's my theory. It's like they're just like whatever. I can go to the doctor. So like I'm chill. You know what I mean? College is paid for.

Are they like, Biden's doing a great job over there. Let's go. Biden's doing a much better job in Iceland than he is here. It's pretty expensive. Their gas is like $11 American. How much are the beers? I don't know.

I didn't, honestly, I didn't pay for one thing the whole time I was there. I was being taken care of. Let's fucking go. Staying in a very nice resort. My boy's moving up. Yeah, it was fun.

We made a record with Josh and Jordan from Analog Sun. Neil from Dope-a-Pod was there. Oh, yeah. The homie, right? So you guys didn't go out? You didn't party at all? Well, we were like at this, we were like, we weren't by Reykjavik. We were way on the north coast in this like valley on this resort.

So we hung out, but like, you know, it's just the staff and us. Did you guys like take acid and like write a record? No one took. Some people may have taken acid. We did make a whole record, though. We got a whole, I mean, you know, the first part of eight or ten songs. Okay, then you bring them back to Denver and finish them up. Finish them up a little. It's honestly not my

record. I'm just kind of like one of the helpers. You know, I'm not like in the band, you know, but it's... You have pictures of it? Gonna be good. Yeah, I got a couple pictures of what Iceland looks like. Oh, here's one cool thing. Sun never goes down the whole time you're there. That would fuck me up. You think it would, but actually help me with jet lag

because I just stayed on Denver time the whole time. Oh, word. I would just sleep from like 5 to 11 or 12. Holy shit. Look at this mountainside. That's the back view out of the resort. That's literally the back. That's where the studio was?

No, that's where we stayed. The studio is about half our way. I'll show you the other picture. Did I give you another picture? It's like a seaside. Explain this, what we're looking at to the people who aren't on YouTube. Okay, so it's a beautiful, beautiful mountain. The mountains there are not as tall as here. Super more green than I thought they'd be.

Very lush this time of year and green. This is honestly like one of the few moments of pure sunshine they had. It's very cloudy there. Think Ireland, think Scotland. That sort of climate, right? I'd be high as a kite if I fucking recorded a record here. I'd be taking mushrooms. It's inspiring. So that's the back patio.

It's like fucking Little House on the Prairie. I'm sending you another picture. It's where the studio is about 20 minutes away. The studio is right on the water. Wow. There you go, Bo. What happened? Oh, my God. What if the porn pops up?

That's with the studio. That's what's off the studio. Wow. There's all kinds of cool birds there. Like, they have all these animals. Oh, that's another thing is they have sheep. So there's a big lake right next to the studio. No, there's a big lake called the Atlantic Ocean.

Oh. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty big. It's the second biggest lake in the world behind No, there's a big lake called the Atlantic Ocean. Oh, it's pretty big. The second biggest lake in the world behind the Lake Pacific. Yeah, so that's and I just happened to get like there's like probably eight

hours of pure sunshine while the whole time we're there. Sun never goes down in the summer, obviously, and now in the winter, I've never been there, but you know, it never comes up. But you can see, so no Northern Lights, obviously. No wonder why Sigur Rós wrote such fucking crazy weird music. Yeah, and Bjork. Oh, wow.

Of Monsters and Men, apparently, is from Iceland. Oh, my God. I would be like, I would Dewey Cox the fucker that record. You know, when he got high on acid. I don't know why America hasn't taken over this country yet. It's beautiful. They don't have oil, but they have, they run on geothermal energy. Did you bring any dialed in gummies? Uh, no, I didn't fly internationally with drugs. Why? You know? Oh man. What are they? What's their rules about weed? Okay. They

are very similar to like Indiana where it's like it's illegal, but like no, I'm not Indiana like a state where like it's illegal, but like it's like a little ticket. Porn's illegal. It's like Switzerland. Porn illegal. Oh my God. Bo's a porn. What?

Yeah. So I was reading up. You know how I get obsessed with something. I'm not going there. You know how I get obsessed with something and I just get all into it. I was reading. It's because they only have 350,000 people in the whole country. That's like Fort Wayne,

Indiana. Yeah. But if everybody was like good looking and smart, you know what I mean? So you can't beat off after a long day in the studio. I mean, you can jerk off, but you better just use your imagination or whatever.

Go to the memory bank or whatever. It's like blacked out on the internet. You can't go to you. I don't know. I didn't even check, but I did not beat off while you were there. I didn't look at porn. You just closed your eyes. All I say did not beat off while you're there i didn't look at porn you just closed your eyes all i say all i'm gonna say is i didn't look at porn um wow but it's because of like they want people to get lazy or anything that's oh also

beer was illegal there until like 1989 because they had a prohibition just like america did like around the 20s. Wow. And they leaked they like first they let wine be legal and then for some reason they let liquor like spirits become legal before beer because they didn't realize that that was worse. You got it. You got to like fish if you're going to go there. First of all, if you're going to

visit the band, no, the food you don't have to like the band at all. They can keep their fucking torch by the way. We're huge in Iceland in America. Yeah. No. So they don't have to like the band at all. They can keep their fucking torch, by the way. We're huge in Iceland and America. Yeah. No, so they don't have... That sounds nice.

I mean, you know, they eat what's around. It's an island. So it's like... That's what the culture... It's like the most preserved... One of the most preserved cultures on Earth because it's so remote and it's an island. That's why the Viking thing is still so strong there

compared to even Norway because it's even more protective man if my if our band just recording there we wouldn't get anything done i don't think you would but you might but i don't think i don't think your band can get anything done period shut the fuck up we are hard work there's one thing you can do it's get to a festival pop off a set with 95 we were talking that. We've never had to cancel a show due to van break. We always had to make it. Right? Am I right about this?

We always figured out a solution to get there. Yeah. And it's never been like that since. Clandestine warriors. We are fucking apocalyptic warriors. No. Why? You're bringing on the apocalypse?

No. I mean, like if the apocalypse happened, we'd have a game plan. Yeah, you'd be all right. You'd be all right. You'd probably be the last guy on earth to put on a concert as the fucking sun finally turns off. I don't know. However, the world.

We're having an end of the world party. Six zombies throwing mushrooms at the stage. I always think of that scene in the Titanic. Brains. Brains. So you had a great time. It was awesome to just be in one place that wasn't, you know what I mean?

Because usually when you travel, it's like you're in Cincinnati for four hours and then you're in the worst hotel you've ever been in and then you're popping off to wherever. You know what I mean? No, I like fucking with Iceland is because like from the East coast, it's really only a five hour flight.

It's less than seven hours. So that's another fucked up thing. It's five and a half hours from New York and it's six hours and 45 minutes from Denver. Cause from Denver, you go up above the Arctic circle. So it's like not nearly as far, even though it's like,

it seems like, Oh, I didn't know that Denver's closer to get to Iceland. Weirdly. It's like, well, no, it's not closer,

but it's way less far than you think. Seattle's only 15 minutes longer than Denver. Because you go up over the circle. It's weird. So maybe it's not flat, I guess. Because I was wrong. Sorry, Kyrie. But yeah.

Do you think they have Repsy.com in Iceland? I didn't ask, but probably. All you Icelandic people listening to this podcast. Icelanders. All you Icelanders, because Nick is famous now in Iceland. I can't believe you guys didn't party or go drinking. We partied, but there wasn't like bar. I don't think you understand how remote this place was.

I mean, they had a staff there. Like there's a bar there. Did you get sick of your guys? The hot tub had like a swim up bar in there. There was a bar there. Did you get sick of your guys? The hot tub had a swim-out bar in it. Who was the most annoying on the trip? I'm not going to answer that. Just bleep it out. I'll bleep it out. I'm not going to say it.

I'll bleep it out. There's too few people. He knows who he is, though. You know exactly who you are. If I was in isolation with one person, with five dudes, I'd get annoyed with one person. You would, but everybody's pretty adult and chill on this. And, you know, a couple of people brought their girl. Who is it? Tell me. I'll believe it. I'll never tell you. Some famous people stay at the resort. Not long before I did. LeBron James. I heard another one that they wouldn't even say his name there because he's scary.

Mark Zuckerberg. Ooh. Voldemort himself. Damn, did you sleep in the Zuckerberg? Were they nice rooms and shit? Oh my God, the rooms were amazing. I had like a steam shower in that bitch. Do they feed you every day? Yeah, it's like a

full-on resort where they like have a sit-down dinner with a sommelier. What the fuck am I doing? You're torn. What am I doing wrong? You got to get them sit-in numbers. Where are you in the 90s now? I ate hibachi in a days in. I had hibachi delivered to me. People think your life is so cool.

I didn't have a fork, so I'm using a styrofoam cup to scoop it like a fucking animal. I looked myself in the mirror. Brains. I looked myself in the mirror while I'm eating fucking hibachi out of a cup. And I looked in the mirror and I'm like, fucking life is wild.

So I'm just saying, Biden, he's doing a good job. So shout out to Iceland. I don't know why Biden can't do a good job here like he is in Iceland. Yeah. So anyway, sign up for RepsG.com. Biden approved. Biden approved.

Iceland approved. You can get your local venue. If you have a local venue, if you're in a band, it's a low cost situation. Keep chasing that dream. It's definitely going to work out. Yeah.

The dream is going to be scary because the record music business is fucked. The cards aren't stacked against you in any way. Ooh, the live touring business is fucked. The cards aren't stacked against you in any way. Ooh, the live touring business is fucked. For the next year, I haven't talked to promoters. I'm nervous. It's scary. If you're nervous, it's bad. I'm scared.

I mean, I'm thankful that our band... Better learn the code. You know, I'm thankful that my band's on a rise right now. But the bands who have just been up top and just haven't kept on elevating their career. It's going to be scary for people. It's always scary though.

Yeah. So it might turn around too though. You never know. I have a philosophy that there's not going to be any more camping festivals. That's fine. I think there's going to be like daytime festivals. Because of liability or something? Because no one wants to fucking camp anymore.

Everyone's like addicted to stay at the house and no one wants to go outside to camp in fucking 120 degree weather. I mean, camping sucks. So it makes sense. Especially in like a, if it's, camping's fun if it's like on a river. That's not camping. There's 30,000 people piled up like refugees

in the middle of Columbus, Ohio in July. That's not camping. That's not a vacation. You will love it still, but it's less. I understand. That doesn't make it a vacation or camping just because you love it. Anyway, so sign up for Repsy.com and get on one of those

camping festivals before it's all over. You know what I mean? I'm nervous for the festival people out there. I think it's just going to be different. It's going to be like single day shows. They're going to still do festivals, but it's going to be at places where you could park

and you could do your shit. I'd be safer. But I could be completely wrong too. It could be just because we're in a recession and coming out of a pandemic. Yeah, but the dollar is strong right now. I know. I can't wait.

I'm going to Europe. It's equal to the euro right now. Yeah, I saw that. First time in 30 years. We're going to Europe in September. You're coming with us. Their economy is crashing, I guess. While we fucking benefit. We suck. We eat in September. You're coming with us. Their economy is crashing, I guess. While we fucking benefit.

We suck. We eat the fruits of a crashing economy. We should be. We're losing our ass in Europe, so don't fucking ask for a lot of money. Yeah. I'm losing a lot of money just to go to fucking Europe, but we have to do it.

Cancel it. I can't. Say you got COVID. It's not that hard. I can't cancel. I already agreed to it, though, so you still have to pay me. Okay. But I can't cancel because you need to be there to get it because the promoters.

Why do we need to be there? Because the promoters. We already went there in 1944. Okay, chill, chill, chill, chill. Chill, chill, chill. Chill, chill, chill. Chill, chill. If no one's buying tickets in fucking America,

I got to get out. I got to get to fucking Europe. Oh, the Europeans aren't going to buy tickets if we aren't the socialists. But I haven't been back in four years, so they better. Four years? Every last time it was three years.

You keep adding a year. Well, it's been three years, and it's a three and a half. Yeah. They love you over there in Germany, ironically. Yeah, they do. God, you're on fire. Don't address it.

So sign up for Repsy.com. Just let it sit. Don't say. If they don't know, they won. God, you're on fire. Don't address it. So sign up for Repsy.com. Just let it sit. Don't say. If they don't know, they won't get it. And that'll be fine. You know, actually, today's a very special day because we're announcing something.

What are we announcing? Speaking of not anyone buying tickets, we are going on tour in September. I'll say. Let's fucking go. Fall tour did well. Fall tour kicked ass last year. Yeah, yeah. I won't be opening this time, September. I'll say you're fucking go toward and well, the door kicked ass last year. Yeah, I will be

opening this time, guys. So I hope you still go. You're going to miss me for three months. I might if you play indie. I might come out and hang out fall tour days like these tour featuring our opening band little strangers for the tour. They actually little. No, they're

tall. They're Philly. One guy, Kevin's kind of short. Are they trashy, kind of? I don't know. I haven't seen the trashy side of them. Could they kick your ass if they wanted to? Yes. That's a Philly kid. Johnny could fuck my ass up. Kevin could. I don't know if Kevin can, but John could fuck me up.

But we're going on tour with Little Strangers all fall, starting October, November, December me up. But we're going on tour with Little Strangers all fall, starting October, November, December. It's going to be fucking awesome. We wrote a song together. We're going to release it right before the tour. That's smart. They're great. I think it's going to be a lot of fun.

Tickets are on sale, so go buy them. They're on sale now, right now. I need to pump my fans up. Guys, please don't let us be a statistic. Buy tickets for this fall tour. This is all I got.

I'm giving you everything. I'm already writing a new record, so you can hear new songs, not including the new song album I just put out. That's how much I care about this fall tour. So go buy your tickets. We're headlining. It's us, Little Stranger. We might bring a comedian. Nick, we'll probably bring Nick.

I'll probably go to some stuff. Nick, we'll hire you because we're going to have to. I don't know if you should bring a comedian. How about this? What if we do this? Because I'm going to have to fly you in to do these openings. Oh yeah, we have to figure that out too. Indie, man. I'll come to the indie show. For sure. We'll figure it out. But guys, I'm a little

pep talk. Buy these tickets. Please. I know we're broke. We're trying to the indie show. For sure. We'll figure it out. But guys, I'm a little pep talk. Buy these tickets, please. I know we're broke. We're trying to keep the ticket prices low so everyone can go. You don't have to go. Just buy the ticket. Because we're playing. This is the biggest. We moved up in a lot of venues to bigger rooms. That's because you did well in the

last tour. It's not as bad. It's not that bad. But it makes me nervous because everyone's ticket sales are shit. Yeah, but also maybe that's their fault a little bit. I'm really promoting this thing. Well, no one's going to show up. Will you promote better than other bands? All right, buy your tickets fall tour

baby. There's some bands are complaining, but also it's like they're not trying that hard either. Well, they could suck it if they're complaining. I'm not into complaining ethic work. Yeah, I'm over're complaining. I'm not into complaining. Work ethic. Work. Yeah, I'm over complainers. I'm hoping that this whole music industry

crashing in on itself. Don't complain. Just do the work. Yeah, I'm hoping this whole collapse will make it so less like really shitty, terrible musicians.

Come on, Nick. Chill. There's just some electronic people coming up right now that are just terrible that are getting gigs. And it's just some

of the worst music I've ever heard in my life. Are you just petty? No, I'm not petty because I'm comfortable with where I'm at. I do pretty, you know. I'm just saying there's some people come up that are actually full-on producers. And they're playing some of the worst music I've ever heard. And they're getting gigs while some of the most talented people I know are sitting at home.

So let's get your promotion game up, guys. Because these people are out promoting you and they're winning and they're terrible. Musicians, Lil Pep talk too. Don't give up. This is going to be hard. This is going to be a hard year and a half. It's already been a hard two years, but how badly do you want it? I know you love your music. I know

when you're out there. I've been to every festival every weekend. I even try to watch all the little bands. And to see you guys so happy being on stage, remember those moments when you're fucking in the trenches, not making any fucking money. Remember that this is important. Music is important for the fans, for you. And know it makes you happy because when you're at home, you're all fucking depressed and shit. I know it. I hear it from you guys at the catering booth. Were people whining at the catering booth this weekend?

Not whining, but just like, they're like, damn, I was so miserable during the thing. And now I'm just so happy that I'm playing music again. So keep that same energy, even if there's no ticket sales. Everyone's going to have no better time to quit than right now. Shut the fuck up. It's true though. We have Camp on the show. You ever heard their music?

Double A. Fucking big band. Camp with two A's, right? Camp and the, you know. I haven't really ever listened to their music. Fucking love them, dude. It's two people, right? That's a full band. That's Fucking game band. Camp with two A's, right? Camp with two A's. I haven't really ever listened to their music. Fucking love them, dude. It's two people, right? That's a full band.

That's a full band. This guy Taylor is sick. He's a sick songwriter. That's who you interviewed. He's from Columbus, Ohio too. So ever since we did Workout in Buffalo, that was sick as fuck too. And the workout was sick.

I got to hang out with Umphreys. Got to see Bayless and Stasek. I saw Stasek all week last week Because we wrote a new song I love Bayless Bayless is the shit He's a good man Oh man he just told me

He's got the sickest gig The Cubs are flying him private I hope I can talk about this I probably can't He was really pumped up about it The Cubs Chicago Cubs is his favorite team It's flying him private To Field of Dreams Because the Cubs Chicago Cubs His favorite team It's flying him Private

To Field of Dreams Because the Cubs are playing Field of Dreams in Iowa And him He gets to Have a band play Right before the Cubs play At Field of Dreams

Just him? Him I think Stasek's on the bill And I think Andy's playing drums And I think he's got One other guy Oh no he's got Jenny Jenny Hartswick

Oh that's cool And then after the jet flies him back to Chicago so he could sleep at his house. Like soul rock star. Dude,

Bayless, let's go. That shit's tied to me. You know how much I love sports and you know, that's the shit. I love sports too.

We should give Dialed In Gummies a little more love because of all we just said. I've been eating them every day. Me too. I'm addicted.

I need a refill. People say you can't get addicted. Oh, have you been eating them every day. Me too. I'm addicted. I need a refill. People say you can't get addicted. Have you been trying those 50 milligram ones? Yeah, I tried them. How do you do that? I made a pure steel, Andy. One gummy is 50 milligrams? I have what the government has called

a perfect mind. Shut the fuck up. You are dumb as fuck. The FBI has classified my brain as fuck. The FBI has classified. My brain is perfect. I don't know. I just enjoy the panic attacks, man.

I like them. Start realizing you're going to die someday. And then fuck all of that. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah,

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nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, I don't need any of that. I don't need any of that bullshit. No. You like that feeling? Yeah. And then you come out of it and you're like, fuck it. You are such a psychopath. It's mentally good workout for you though. What do you mean? That is fucking putting yourself. I don't trust my mind that much.

Oh, I trust my mind. Like I said, perfect mind. God, you're a psychopath. I'm not a psychopath. You little are. I have good control over my, my, what I think. I can control my thoughts. So you're a sociopath.

Uh, I've been called that. I go volts, but I do like what you say. I go volts. Oh, Yiddish. Yes. Um, a lot of Jews in Iceland. I didn't see any. Well, Josh Fairman was there.

Just a bunch of white Aryan dudes. Well, yeah. And then the staff is all from different countries. Like the bartender was Polish. Sommelier was this Irish guy, Rory. He was the shit. He's like the nicest guy. You know, vibes.

Just vibes for days. Sick. So he dialed in gummies. Icelandic. Colorado. Go grab some dialed in gummies. They're the shit. And hey, Keith, if you're listening to this, I need a refill, bud.

Keith! They're great for planes. They're great for planes. They're great for sleeping. I sleep so good. People have been bringing them up to me a lot. I sleep so good. People are like, I bought those because you told me to. Do they like them?

I feel better. Let's go. See? I love the panic attack. We're influencers. I love the panic attack so much just like you. You are psycho with those panic attacks. Good for you. You have panic attacks all the time. On much, just like you. You are psycho with those panic attacks. This is good for you.

Well, you have panic attacks like all the time. On the regs, yeah. I have to like give myself a panic attack. Or I won't do anything. Midwestern Abe over here. Just chopping right along. All right, we're going to have a great week. All right, next up on the interview hour, we have Taylor from Camp.

Yes. I love this interview, actually. He seems like a great dude. He works hard. He likes to have fun. And he's from Columbus, Ohio, so shout out to Columbus, Ohio. Hey, Chris, play some Camp while I'm talking about Taylor a little bit. while I'm talking about Taylor a little bit.

These guys are blowing up. They're the next band up in that world, and I'm really happy for them. They're selling out tickets everywhere, and they just have a good mind state about the whole thing. So ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the interview hour, Taylor from camp. When the sunshine's through to the break of dawn You better grab the keys and leave the dogs at home Taylor!

Andy. What's up, dude? Oh, man. Nothing. Just lighting up a little pile of Santa over here. Setting the vibe. Get the vibes going, dude. I'm Just lighting up a little pile of Santa over here. Setting the vibe. Get the vibes going, dude. I'm here to talk to you. I'm getting the vibes going. Here we are. Here we are.

What happened last night? What'd you do? Oh, man. I made about $700 at the casino. Let's fucking go, dawg. Let's go. That's what I'm talking about. What's your game? Blackjack. Yeah? Yeah, yeah. Dabble in the roulette with the winnings, you know.

But, man, we like to put on the sport jackets and go and just have a nice evening. Sip white Russians, you know. Where are you living? Columbus. Columbus, Ohio. You're still there? Yeah, whole band lives here now. You know, I want to talk. You used to live in Athens, right?

Yeah. You and LeBron. No, no. LeBron's from Akron. That's what I thought, but I heard you kind of live here. I thought he was like in the suburbs. How far is Athens from Akron. That's what I thought, but I heard he kind of lived here. I thought he was in the suburbs. How far is Athens from Akron? Far. Oh, really? Oh, man.

Yeah, Akron's up north, and Athens is on the border of West Virginia, down south. Oh, fuck. Well, there it goes. I was like, damn, Taylor and LeBron living out there in Athens. I got fucked there but uh let's

talk about being an ohio boy what what did you learn from i heard you're a hockey guy man we love the blue jackets yeah we're hockey guys um evan the banjo player from camp he he grew up he played all through high school um and he sort of got me into it and uh weirdly enough man we've we've actually met more than a few nhl players i think uh it's kind of like they gravitate towards it in the in the locker rooms for like i don't know for what out of whatever reason but we've ended up hanging out with some pretty pretty cool. What are the parallels between, you know, I'm a big sports guy as well. And I feel like there's a lot of parallels in sports and music. What are the parallels between hockey and songwriting? I suppose like the obvious one is the fluidity.

You know, I think that's the coolest thing about hockey and maybe the coolest thing about songwriting now that I'm saying it out loud is that, I mean, there are only so many options, so many buttons, so many plays that you can make, right? So many chords, but we all navigate them differently. And I think you could liken that to hockey in that, like, you know, there's only so many things you can do with a puck and a stick but everyone plays differently yeah so that's what i would say what about like the the concept of if it ain't broke don't fix it that's very very prevalent in i think both hockey and songwriting you know like there there are a lot of ways that you can absolutely bungle a perfectly good song by trying to do something too tricky like you know and i i don't like i feel like every time i make stands like the one i'm about to make in like three years later it's like the coolest thing to me. But like right now I hate key changes. I don't know why people put them in songs.

I don't agree with like the feeling that happens through my body when a key change hits. Right. What? And. Keep going. So like that for me, that is like, you know, that's taken it a little too,

a place maybe you shouldn't have. Like when you're on the ice and you're twirling around like a like a fairy and get you know smoked by a defender yeah but but do you think it's like you know it's like why do we overthink life you know why can we just like always just like is it growing is growing important or is it just making sure that we're comfortable? What about for you, Taylor? Oh, man. That's a tough one, dude. Because comfort is so needed. We all have our routines, whatever it is, the littlest things in your day that you just like, you like,

and you need, and you like, you almost necessitate to function. But at the same time, you know, there's all those, all those sayings about, you know, if you ain't, you ain't growing, you're dying. And you know, all the, you know, all the Bob Dylan quotes, like don't stand in the in the path you know get out of the way exactly um but yeah growth is i mean it's it's massively important and even if it's even if it's slow slow and little things daily you know like i don't think camp has necessarily like grown crazily away uh from its roots but we definitely sound different and are different people you know what did like three years of

touring the record and seeing you guys I mean you guys blew up in the last couple years and I know you guys probably been doing this for a while but like throughout the progression of just going to bigger venues bigger shows is it the change of mind state that makes you want to make bigger different records yeah i mean that like that was

huge for us like i think that's a pretty stereotypical path for a band to take too is like you know evan and i we we independently released the first record. It's just a guitar and a banjo. And like, we weren't even that good at like our first instruments. I mean, the way we made the first record in itself is just kind of a, it's kind of a miracle. Tell me about it. What happened? What'd you do? What happened? Oh, dude. I mean, so it was just this classic, like a music mentor of mine heard these couple of songs that I'd written.

And I was playing them down at the open mics in Athens and Ev came down. He moved down to town and just helped me hone them. Then we got this offer to go record for free in Troy, Ohio and at a studio. in troy ohio and at a studio and we went and it was just it was this old ford showroom like fully concrete no like not built out at all and like we like moved these like sound baffles kind of like in a little circle evan and i set up facing each other my vocal mic was counterweighted by a windex bottle. We duct taped a Windex bottle to the back of it because the mic stand wouldn't, like the mic was too heavy. Right.

So it was like sinking down while we were doing takes and I'm like trying to chase it. It was, I mean, dude, Ev played, I mean, he played the kick drum with his hand because we couldn't keep time with our feet. You know, like we weren't drummers. And yeah, that's it, man. I mean, we played everything live. because we couldn't keep time with our feet you know like we weren't drummers and uh yeah that's it man i mean we played everything live oh this is the best part about it too so we did the whole thing in two days but it was really about two hours because we tracked all the we tracked like 10 songs right and like we played each song like three times live and we just picked the best one yeah but on the second day we were there we went and we took a dinner break at this mexican

restaurant and we kind of got loose on like tacates and some tequilas yeah yeah and we came back and jesse jesse henry my mentor he was like hey will you guys you you mind tracking vagabond just one more time for me we're like yeah sure and we're kind of drunk and loose and we've been playing all day so we're all warmed up and we we just nail it and he just pops his head in the door and he's like all right let's let's do ohio and long story short basically like he just popped his head in and we just did the whole record we just ran it. Oh, my God. And that's what you hear, dude. There's barely any of it.

Let's fucking go, boys. See? A little liquid courage. That's all you need. Isn't it funny when we stop overthinking things? That's all it was. That's all it is. We stop overthinking things and all of a sudden we we we open ourselves up if you want

to get hippie about it open the vessel up and all of a sudden we're making we're creating the music we we hear in our head yeah for real man i mean like and that's that's how it goes just with everything like as the shows get bigger and you know, maybe you've got nerves like Ev used to, he didn't have like stage fright, but he used to just pace before shows and it would just freak us out. We'd be like, Hey man, like we've done this a bunch of times. We're going to just go do it again. You know?

And as soon as you stop overthinking things, like now you should see us before sets people like our openers and people we tour with are always like don't you guys like warm up or like huddle up or do like a thing you know because we're just like in the green room i mean like i started this podcast with like we we love to gamble so we're like constantly rolling dice or like watching games you know oh yeah and then you know stage manager comes in and he's like all right five minutes put your ears in and you let her rip you know that's the thing you know everyone has their own routine i mean whatever makes you comfortable you know i watch lake yeah i watch old laker games that's what i do i love that you know i i only write to like i write a lot to tv shows

and movies that i've seen before oh explain that so i don't know really i think it's pretty like for me it's just like like i like something going on in the background so that I'm not overthinking, you know, I'm not like, because I write very like, I don't know. It's hard to explain. Cause I never really feel like I sit down to write. I'm never like, I'm going to write that sad song today, or I'm going to write that catchy, that catchy boy today. You know, I like just pop on the office or this quirky british tv show i like called detectorists and i just kind of sit there and don't overthink it and strum the same chords i've always known and sometimes you chase something down the rabbit hole and it comes out well right sometimes you're just

watching your old tv show yeah and you know and you're adding to the old TV show because you know the feeling of that TV show. So you're just adding on to it. That's a great point. That's a great point. Because you've seen it before. What about when you're like, do you ever just put on a new movie and try to write to it? Yeah. Well, that is more of like, sometimes when I'm watching a new movie and it's just not cutting it, then I'm like, okay, let me see this guitar real quick. And then all of a sudden the movie's muted and I'm immersed into the song. So you need both sides of it. I want to know a little bit about Jesse. Why is he your mentor

and what has he taught you about songwriting that makes him your mentor? Man, Jesse is a special, special dude. So his name is Jesse Henry. And I met him my sophomore year. I kind of fell in love with music and I quit. I played lacrosse and football just for high school. And and yeah my parents were just kind of like you can't you can't just do nothing you know so i was like all right well i want to do guitar so through the grapevine of like suburban moms my my mom finds jesse henry and he comes over and this dude is just like he's just iconic man like he's six four big burly dude hair down to just about his ass and just comes in and puts his guitar case down and opens it up and it smells like weed and

he's all sweaty and he's like all right what do you want to learn you know and i'm just like this guy is incredible incredible he feels like a folklore honestly like he when you hear him sing and talk like he and just his vast knowledge of music he does he feels like folklore like i don't know how else to put it but basically started doing lessons and i don't know something about like music theory or me and math i just i couldn't i wasn't having a great time with like the theory of music like the scale and the actual runnings of it and so what we started doing um and instead of discouraging me jesse was like he was just totally cool but he was like well and we're not going to run scales and learn you know harmonies like let's you got to give me like three songs a week and you got to learn them you know right so i just started learning like dylan

songs and raylamontane and heady shit like trevor hall and you know i was super into reggae for a long time so i was just learning the solo from like no woman no cry and instead of like knowing that that's just an a minor pentatonic you're like this is the solo from no woman no cry and instead of like knowing that that's just an A minor pentatonic you're like this is the solo from No Woman No Cry and then it gets your fingers moving and you get inspired by the sounds not necessarily the system you know right so um I guess jet that's my biggest like accreditation to Jesse is just like that he wasn't off put or like he wasn't condescending to me because i didn't want to learn the inner workings like i just love music and like he knew that so we just played music you know yeah we kept in touch for years and eventually it was just like

the lessons were only 20 bucks so it kind of got to the point where we just started hanging out and I, I wouldn't even give him the 20 bucks at the end of the session. He'd just be like, Oh, I'll see you next week. You know, and we were just friends. I mean, we're still friends. We just, we just had the six year anniversary for the first camp record. Jesse called me yesterday. We talked for half hour, you know? Yeah. What'd you guys talk about? Well, man, he's a what'd you guys talk about well man he's a crazy dude and he goes down

to like mexico and peru and just immerses himself in whatever music he's into that year like sometimes it's brazilian sometimes it's you know portuguese stuff like and he'll just go go to a country and just come back and like sing you a song in Spanish. And he's like this dude, I mean, he's from Lima, Ohio, went to school in Kansas. And then you hear him just like belt this beautiful Brazilian ballad. And you're just like, ah, he's, I admire him so much. He's such a, he's just a student of, of it, of it all.

You know, he's like, he's totally in love with it and like he doesn't give a shit about money or fame or anything he's just like he's just his own dude yeah i mean that's probably the most inspiring thing you know a lot of people just chase the money or chase you know the song he's chasing what music does to him oh Oh dude. It's like, and it's such a pure, it's such a pure chase when you do it like that. You know, like I,

I try to check myself, Evan and I do. I think we're super humble dudes, but like, it's like the moment that I start, you know, getting greedy, like somebody like Jesse's going to come around and be like,

yo, you know, check yourself. Yeah. Just because you come around and be like, yo, you know, check yourself. Yeah. Just because you're making money right now, Taylor, doesn't mean you won't be making money in a couple of years, big dog. Right. Right. Right. You know, who knows how long this train lasts? It will last for a while. I feel it. My, I used to, you know, your guy, your Jesse is the guy who I started writing songs with Mike

Taylor you know him from his gold messenger man Mike is a good friend dude Mike's the man I'm on you guys I'm on 7s management where they have Aaron Ray it feels like you work with all the bands on 7s okay yeah no totally gold messenger Aaron Ray rate lift yeah man yeah dude so i've got not to like plug anything but i've got this solo project i call sumbuck and i've actually been spending time in durham tracking it with mike and chris burner and uh libra mento and uh nick falk Nick Falk. Yeah. Oh my, okay. Isn't Mike the GOAT? Mike's the GOAT. Mike, he is the GOAT, man. He is such a true dude. I respect his taste in music and his songwriting. And just like, he came into the room and he laid down just like two of the most like song changing and like evoking guitar parts on two of my songs that like i've ever heard and then at the end of the week when i hit him up

and i'm like hey man you know the other guys are sending me their day rates like feel free to send me an invoice or i'll met i'll venmo you or whatever you want and he just goes we're good man you'll pay me back someday see that's what i'm talking about and i'm just like this dude is so just cool you know he's a cool man yeah you know it's so different like you know do you ever write songs in nashville where it's all about business it's all about fucking the the percentages of you ever have to do any of that shit yeah that's tough i i have done it i haven't done it in years but i i got into it for a second and i don't know it's like i i know that that's um a lucrative and a creative place for a

lot of people who are super good at it but for me it just felt like i was going to these rooms and my personal experience was just like i kind of felt like i coughed up like five real good songs that like you know like i had started i was like hey i got this like let's finish it and then at the end of the day and it's nothing against the people i wrote with they were incredible but it's like okay now instead of 100%, you have 50% of that song. And if they don't want to cut it and you don't want to cut it, it just goes into a little filing cabinet. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? I talked to Brent Cobbs of The Worlds and stuff and those dudes who just write songs for everyone. How do you decide when to give a song to someone else and keep it? Well, yeah. And that's funny that you even bring him up when to give a song to someone else and keep it well yeah and that's

funny that you even bring him up because i wrote a song with brent and i was super pumped about it and i thought he was gonna cut it and then he he didn't you're like god damn it i brought a heater there too it is crazy you know it's like, how do you decide which songs make it on the camp record? Oh, man. It's, I don't know. It's like, you know, I guess it just depends. You know how it goes. You record until your eyes bleed, and then you kind of see how it all lays together.

And for me, it's always been easy to to kind of lay things to the side or um choose not to record something or re-record something and i like the albums to like to read like books you know so if you're listening something jars you in the wrong way it's either shouldn't be in there or it's in the wrong order you know and i love that part of the process but i love that a lot. Do you ever, ever over, overthink that too much? No, dude. I mean, honestly, camp albums are kind of free for all like there,

there are songs on the last record by and by like of love and life. I wrote that when I was 17 feels like home was one of the first songs Evan and I wrote together, together, together. 26, which is on the second Camp album, was the first song that Ev wrote a banjo lick for. And for whatever reason, when we went to cut it with Jesse and do that first record, it existed and it was practiced. It just didn't fit. And songs kind of like, they kind of show themselves at different times. I mean, dude, two of the songs,

one of the songs on this new record is a straight up voice memo. Shut the fuck up, really? Yeah. Me at some ungodly hour of the morning, just like wrote this song. I thought the timbre and the tempo and the tones were all just awesome.

So we just put a little compression on it and did a little defuzzer and it sounds fucking great. It's like the best sounding song on the record and I recorded it on iPhone 9, you know? Yeah. Just like cool shit, man. It just goes back to what you're saying about like it doesn't matter what studio you're at it's about the songs like you said you're at the ford dealership putting out your first record or whatever the ford yeah it's like yeah we gotta

stop overthinking that the process is being in these big studios and being you know getting that big record deal we don't need any of that we need to focus on the songs man the songs and in the in the the comfortability of everything like obviously you want to be pushing yourself but like man i can't even imagine like i can't even imagine trying to cut something in like you know an electric lady or an or an abbey road or you know an apple stick does and just be like i i can't i don't even feel like i can sneeze in here you know like how am i supposed to sing and like i mean i'll throw props to the overdub lane down in north carolina where where i think

hiss has done most of his records but man the comfortability of that spot is is off the charts and it's just it's in a strip it's in a strip mall dude like you're like there's like a massage parlor next door and but it but in our little it's like great smells like coffee and weed and yeah we're chilling and grooving real hard you know and you'd never know we were in there i love that yeah how important is like taking pressure out of the equation to be spontaneous oh i think it's so important man i think that's like that's something that you learn and you grow like with your art you know like i feel like the like the way young, or at least how we were in our younger days, you approach a record and you're like,

we're going to do it in order, and we're going to do these songs. You almost drill Sergeant yourself out. Then as you learn and you grow and you, you don't take yourself too seriously. And, and like we said, like you don't get too up in your head about the pace or the creative process,

like, and just let it go. I find that like, we're at a really special place as a band. I think just like maturity wise as people, like we're, we're decent at our crafts now, now you know like all of us are very not very we've got a lot of room to grow but like we're seasoned at a lot of instruments now you

know like everyone in camp can play the drums everyone can play piano everyone can play guitar only evan can play banjo though we'll stick with that we'll stick with f on the banjo yeah he's he i mean, I wouldn't approach that. He is so graceful on that instrument. I've never seen anything like it, but this album, it felt like, it just felt like easy. Like we, we just, the song, you just pick the songs, play the parts. Like we were just moving at a very cool pace and process and i think we found we found

kind of like our groove where we don't overthink something and we lay a base on a on a nest of songs so that way if we're starting to feel like you're beating your head against the wall on one you're just like hey well why don't we go do yeah bass on fever you know like let's let's just switch gears and and then you make headway on another song and then and then all of a sudden you're like wait i figured out the other song like let's go back i think i figured it out you know i feel like uh yeah i feel like when you have that kind of flow it adds um kind of just like an unconscious comfortability into the music makes it more approachable and like somehow the listener like and god i'm getting heady but it's just like somehow that's got to be detectable you know yeah like i feel that's that's why people

like live records so much or people like you know all the records that they cut at big pink or any of those studios where it was just kind of like a house and a vibe and a time and people return over and over to those rec over and over to those records and it's not because you know they were using some hundred thousand dollar mic in an iso booth like they were a 58 into a tascam in somebody's basement and it sounds fucking cool you know and they were comfortable so you you feel comfortable with the music it's like the idea of not overthinking and using your instincts exactly yeah instincts man i mean that's that's the that that is the most like not sought after because you can't really get it it's instinctual but like that is i think the coolest and most recognizable trait

in the baddest dudes in music right is their instance you know it's just like they know where something needs to go and they they need to hear it now and if you do it in a cool and calm and fucking cold way that's how that's how you get chills you know like those dudes like do you know uh michael libra mento just through that circle no no he is he's the he's's done a bunch of cool man i mean but he he plays down a lot with those north carolina guys like he's been in phil cook's bands and he's feels a bad motherfucker oh phil's incredible he's he's on the new record let's he played yeah you got the all-star crew you got aaron ray heard you got ray lift you got a cook yeah what

do you got hissed hiss is on my solo stuff but this is like a bukkake of great musicians dude let's fucking go i mean the list doesn't stop there if we're gonna name drop come on name drop them all taylor i want to hear everything okay all right All right. Katie Crutchfield, Waxahachie. Oh, yeah. Katie's killer. I just interviewed Kevin Morby, her boyfriend. He's fucking awesome. Holy shit, dude. He's a great fucking... You want to talk about a musician and a producer and a tone chaser with instincts? That's a dude. Who else you got? Yeah. Rayliff's on it. Matt McCann, one of the drummers for Bon Iver

Which is like my all time fave He's on it Brad Cook helped produce Beatrice Artola helped produce And they're just Fucking Insane people Do you ever feel like you're not worthy to be in that room?

Pretty much The entire time i was in the room yeah why why does our ego do that i mean like you have made great records over the last couple years and still we go with these monsters and we're like oh shit i don't i have no idea i would like to like blame it on something like an age difference or something but i know that even if i was the exact same age as ray lift or phil or any of those dudes i would i would totally feel inferior like regardless it's that idea of overthinking bro it's back to that overthinking and not just like the beth athletes don't overthink a shot they go straight instinct athletes don't overthink a shot they go straight instinct right absolutely man and I mean it's like it is cool because you know it's like our ego doesn't or at least hopefully mine doesn't but yeah you don't you don't uh well I was gonna

say it doesn't keep you down all the time like after we cut fever dude we just had this like monster moment for me like a fucking core memory like we're in this studio out in the woods north carolina it's called betty's and you're just i'm cutting a song and i'm just i'm just mick jagger and into a mic evs on guitar matt's on bass joe's on the organ phil's on the keys matt mcconn's on the drums and then we got ray lift and waxahachie in two different corners doing carbodies you know and i'm just kind of like moving my arms around like like i know what i'm doing and we cut this song and then we let it ring out and everyone's kind of looking at each other you know that moment where you're like and Phil just goes huh good song man and I was like whoa like and then then

you have those little moments where you're like yeah that is it is a good song yeah you pay yourself back you're a guy I do I can totally be in this room yeah i can totally see it says breaking the glass moments you know what was your first show where you felt like the glass was broken you guys are ready to up oh my god dude it was sorry we used to play this open mic down in athens ohio called casa. It's just kind of like incredible cantina, worker-owned Mexican restaurant fucking vibe. And they've got a little stage and every Wednesday night, it was $3 house margs and $2 PBRs. And we would get to the open mic and just get wild.

And that's kind of like where we were born and we we raised like we honed our craft and we honed like how to or at least how we thought you know to like catch people's attention and draw draw a crowd and and get them moving and so we moved back to Columbus right and we kind of like got some spotify traction we went out we did a tour with rainbow kitten surprise we come back we book a headline show at casa and like when we came into town there was 200 people like in line for the show wrapped around the whole street we were just. And like six months ago, we were just college kids living in this town

playing the open mic. So that was like a huge glass ceiling for me. I was like, whoa, this is very real. People want to see us play. For real. Isn't it crazy? You have to open for someone to be like,

oh yeah, you're cool now. Yeah. Someone's got a grandfather. Yeah. Sorry. No worries. Yeah. You got to get the sword in. You got to get sworn in to the fucking cool kids club. Exactly. You got to get knighted. I mean, that's a huge part of a lot of people's legacies.

It's true. i mean that's that's like a huge part like of a lot of people's legacies you know like some people it's almost like like you can't even talk about it without saying like oh so-and-so and this is like they were brought up like like the you know the classic like pharrell for pharrell saw a video of maggie rogers and now maggie rogers is god you know which i mean you know she deserves to be she's she's got a whole whole vibe yeah she's a bad she's a bad dude she's a bad woman yeah yes she is um but just like you know what i mean like there's some some folks like that you're always like in tandem with yeah like ours is you know like jesse is pretty synonymous with camp you know he he was instrumental but the fans grown you know it's beautiful you know i want to talk i want to keep talking about this like uh spontaneous type of um life living do you take that same uh

concept with your live show or do you have like a set show every night no man we yeah we actually we don't do set lists let's go boys i like you taylor let's go dude tell me about that what's your philosophy of no set list well you know it just it pin it just pins me up you know it's it's it's i don't feel free to breathe with the crowd. Some nights I want to start electric, and some nights I don't want to put down my electric guitar. Some nights I want to be the quietest, most intimate, and tight show you've ever heard.

And some nights I want to flail and jump on the speakers and do crazy shit. And man, we try to be as genuine a performance as we can and like when i hear people like you know obviously there's degrees of it but like if there is a sincere call out like and i hear someone needing a song like they need this song i mean we cape it right up and play it yeah that. That just like, that's, that's how, that's how it is. And I mean, it's hell on the crew. You should see them trying to,

trying to light the stage and get my guitars ready. And I'm just like, you know, it's, it's, but it's, it's fun for them, man. Like that's, we try to keep things light and it's like, what, whatever it is, you mess up, just like do it full speed. Like, let's, let's, let's just, let's have fun up here. Do you feel like you have- So that's, no set lists. Do you feel like you had to play a couple songs every show?

You know, you do, but like, you can't, you're never gonna please everybody. And sometimes the songs you have to play are you it's like are you do i have to play them or am i having to play them for you you know yeah because there's both like there's songs that i have to play every set you know where like there's a a solo or a vocal run that like i personally need yeah and then there's songs that's like you know sometimes you either through the the crowd shouting or just through the timbre of the room there's some songs that you know that you should play right and we're we're firm believers in uh you know giving the people the hits let's fucking go let's fucking go let's go

give them the hits taylor give them the goddamn hits yeah i mean you know it's like i'm all i'm all for uh you know whatever an artist playing their new shit playing playing exploring something going further into their you know but you know whatever it's like whatever your song is you go you go see you go see Dave Matthews and he doesn't play crash you're bummed yeah you know guess what guess what he never plays crash well you hope you I hope you keep playing your hits bud how um how important is living in the moment for you oh hugely dude is it hard for you to live in the moment in ways in ways when you see your whole like you know in some ways i i i enjoy how organized

my life is but like sometimes when i look at the google calendar and i see that like my life is. But like, sometimes when I look at the Google calendar and I see that, like my life is essentially planned out a year ahead of me, I'm like, that's a little disenchanting at times, you know? And obviously as we get older, I'm building in more time for just solo endeavors to do life, you know, because although this is our lives it's not it doesn't encompass all of it you know and we fully intend to do this until we croak but like being able to to like have your own hobbies and have relationships outside of the band you know i think that's like the only way the band remains possible, you know? Yeah. Like we've all got to live and breathe on our own.

So in some ways, yeah, man, like it is tough to live in the moment because like my moments are planned out nine, you know, twelve months ahead of ahead of time and it's like you know like i got a call from my manager yesterday and he was just like hey we got this headline offer for a festival next may and i was like it's not even this may i don't know what i'm supposed to say to that. Right. You know? But at the same time, man, it's cool. It's cool to know that things are popping and they're organized and they're out ahead in front of us. And we can weave in our personal fancies in between, you know? Yeah. And also, like, we forget that we're in control, you know?

You're totally in control the whole time. Yeah. So we could be, we could stress out. You can say no. Yeah, exactly. It's the art of saying no that makes us free. Yeah. You should see me.

I mean, you should see me in the green room or in a radio station lobby. And I'm like, what, what the fuck is this? Why am I here? Same, bro. And, and they'll just look at me and be like, okay, dude, well, you said yes. So we're here. Like, but you know, it's not all me. Like, you know, you feel obligated in some ways you get coerced. It's,

it's part of the game. You gotta, you gotta play the game. Our managers know when to ask us for things when we're happy you know oh exactly oh exactly and they do it in these ways man where it's like i was like all right we're gonna do a set number of shows this year right i'm gonna agree to it at a lump sum rate and that's it and then and then what happens is they're like oh yeah yeah for sure for sure like we don't want to overwork you this year and then you agree to something but then over over months there will just be little things we're like hey you know you're already going to be out in arkansas do you think we should just tack on a kansas city oh yeah yeah totally man yeah i'm already there why wouldn't

we tack on a kansas city oh and should we just tack on a tulsa if we're gonna do kansas city and then i'm like yeah of course we'll do tulsa yeah and then six months later after you agreed to the original routing he announced the world the world tour on instagram and you look at all these dates my eyes about shot out of my head i was like holy like we built out a year yeah and i mean i will say like i am feeling feeling dangerous like i want to play these shows, man. I'm feeling like we're in a really good spot as a band and we're playing well and I'm excited and we're all healthy. So when I looked at it, I was surprised and kind of intimidated, but then I was like, oh, this is going to be so fun.

Right. We're going to play some of the most beautiful rooms in the country and some of the most kick- in the country and some of the most kick-ass bands and music are playing with us. And then you just get lucky. You feel lucky. Yeah. You know what?

And it's also like, well, it's like going back to living in the moment. We're not living in the moment. We're looking at what we have to do next year. Let's just worry about this week. Right. For real. Which is crazy, dude, because you can be like people can be like yeah man what'd you whether it's what did you do yesterday or what are you doing tomorrow and i'm

always like i you know i've got no idea yeah but you can also ask me what i'm doing you know november 21st 2025 and i'll i'll pull up the google cal and tell you exactly what i'll be doing so maybe we need both in a sense to keep us you just can't you just can't you know get too caught up in either of them you ever get caught up in the moment two months where you started just taking too many drugs or fucking too many one night stands or getting that absolutely i mean luckily not like either of those things like to an extreme but we i think we all have very like you know, I smoke too much weed, I smoke too many cigarettes, I drink too many drinks. It's like, I mean, it's, but we're all like, you know, we're all healthy and we're all happy to be young. We're happy. And I don't know, man, like it's like I always get caught up in like what how do I express myself without like turning kids on a fucking smoking weed at 10 years old? It's like do what you do, what you want, you know, like don't deny yourself anything that makes you happy and doesn't hurt

anyone else you know like do what that's that's like we we try not to be too hard on ourselves man like we might have a few too many drinks or play a few too many hands at the blackjack table or or stay up too late or you know whatever it is i, people have fucking weird addictions. Like, you know, how are you going to criticize me for smoking when you're drinking three Starbucks a day? Yeah, exactly. You're prying your nerves in a different way. Exactly, dude. Let's fucking go, Taylor.

Fucking love it. We're pretty tame dudes, but we like to let it rip. Yeah, same, bro. We used to play Woodlands Tavern. That was like our first- Dude, that was our first. Dude, what is it about Columbus, Ohio that lets you- I feel like there's the music that comes there and just like it's- for a college town, there's

like that, there's Lawrence, Kansas, but I feel like Ohio State, there's something about that Columbus that really- I love that you, man, we try to preach that to people. It's like Columbus doesn't have notoriety as a music city, but I'll tell you what, dude, there is a fucking scene. There is great music being made here. There are great rooms to play. The food is fucking awesome hell yeah i mean

i could gush about columbus all day i'm glad you like that man woodlands tavern's a great little spot it is yeah you guys food there's that nice separation to where you can be at the show or you can be on the patio or you can just be the bar side if you're loud you know it's like man it's that's so cool that you played yeah and we last week or two weeks ago we just played bluestone which is a beautiful room too with done sweet as well so are you always gonna play in columbus even if you get too big yeah man we just announced uh we're playing a nation we're playing at the arena let's go dude playing a nation we're playing at the arena let's go dude oh dude holy you guys are this is this is exciting are you scared is this like this is a big year for y'all dude that same hockey

team we were talking about at the beginning of this podcast plays there you know like we evan and i just went and toured it and we're like down on center ice like so sick freaking out so sick it and we're like down on center ice like so sick freaking out so sick so sick well bro thank you i hope you just like come all over that place dude just destroy it oh come on come on do it not not physically emotionally i want you to put it all out there put your out there it's gonna be emotional i'll tell you what man it. It's beautiful, man. Success stories like that is the reason why we keep doing what we do and play a big hometown show and play at the biggest plays in the fucking town. It's like all the hard work's paying off.

I just want to say I'm proud of you, bro. I don't even know you, but I'm proud of you. Thanks. No, I appreciate you. I do. Keep the dream alive. Have fun in Columbus. Good luck on the record.

When's the new record come out? Has it came out yet? June 24th. Perfect. All right, we'll post this closer to June, so we'll get even more push. But Taylor, thanks for being part of the show. And fuck yeah, I'm glad you think so highly of Mike Taylor like I do.

Oh, absolutely, man. All right, thanks, Andy. Have a good one, bro. Later. Later. Hell yeah. There it is. That was fun. Fucking camp. They're blowing up. Big time artist now on the World Saving Podcast. Let's go. All right. I'll catch you on the tail end.

What are you doing this week? Oh, fuck. This weekend. I'm playing Crested Butte on Thursday. Is it Thursday, Bo? Crested Butte on Thursday. Hell yeah. That's the guy who owns that place.

Public House, right? Yeah. Where you recorded nicely. Wade is the dude there, though. Yeah, shout out to that. I never played in Crested Butte before. Friday, Steamboat Springs. I love that town. Snowball Resort. Come on, guys. Buyboat Springs. I love that town.

Snowball Resort. Come on, guys. Buy some tickets. No, they just call it the Snowball. Oh, it's like a little festy thing. Yeah, the bowling alley, but they put us in the parking lot. It packs out. It's fun.

Fun. And then Sunday's Fro Fest in Utah. That's far. I know. Then you drive back on Sunday? Drive back and then start recording. Oh, yeah. Drive back Sunday. We play at like 2, so we're going to just try

to smash the drive Sunday. And then... Bo will do that. I'll do it. No, Bo's been driving a lot. By the way, I got to give it up for Bo. Bo's been working his ass off. Bo. He always does. I see your work ethic and I see you.

That's why he gets and I fucking I respect it and I love it and I'm here for you, bro. So we're driving. No,

we could drive back Monday. We could drive back Monday. It's fine. I know we're just going to get hammered during the day. It's just like that whole Utah thing

is kind of yeah, Utah, that Utah show is so fun. It's like 10,000 Mormons who just love to drink. Mormons love to drink.

I thought that was like against their shit. It was just so fun. It's a free show, so Utah shows up. I have a very minimal understanding of the Mormon religion compared to other religions. I want to watch that Netflix thing, like Eat, Pray, Obey. Is it good? I watched it. Is it Mormon-y?

Yeah. It's like literally about a guy that like... Don't tell me. I want to watch it. It's a cult within the cult. Yeah. Oh, it's like the deeper people. It's like the Amish version of being Mormon.

You know what I mean? Orthodox Jew version of being Mormon. You know what I mean? Do you want to guess my hot guy of the week? Before we go? So my friend. Been working out. You know, he's a musician.

Hold on. What is this game you're trying to present to me? I'm going to show you his body and you guess who it is. He's in the jam scene? He's in the jam slash electronic scene. Holy fuck. Hot guy. This guy's too buff to be in the music scene.

He's in the music scene. He plays music. He's never been on the show, but I want him to be. Hey, zoom in. Zoom in on his body. There we go. See? Detective Andy. Let me see who this is first of all look how good that guy looks holy shit he's a dad too what hey he's changing the way look at the hip thing yep yep i've always wanted that thing that's saying you got to get in the gym if you want that that's a gym thing you can't just starve yourself musician you can't just starve

yourself into that andy sorry you know who this is? Yeah, I do. I think it is. It's the dude from the floozies. Nailed it. What? Holy shit. I don't think you get it. Let's fucking go. I love how fucking, I love it.

Matt is his name. Matt from the floozies. There's two, there's two guys in the, it's Matt and Mark. Holy shit. My dude is ripped now. He texted me last night and he's like, I guess he gained weight or something during the pandemic. He's like, I shed it all off. I'm ripped again.

Oh my God. Matt! We see you working, big dog! That's so funny. He sent me... Well, he's a funny... Matt's one of the funniest people around. We got to get him to just come hang.

Yeah, I remember, but he's talking about doing next year tour. Oh, my God. Your two things together would be incredible. Should I do that? Yeah, because their crowds funny as hell, too. They don't give a shit and they'll like party with you. But okay. Yeah, he sent me that.

And I was like, can I use that in the show? Make candy. What a show. What a fucking show. I can't believe he got it on the first fucking weirdo. Zoom in on his and hats and hats and hats. I'm a psychopath. He's got like a lot of them. I wasn't even looking at the tattoos. I was looking at the structure of his body. Fucking weirdo. I was looking at the way his... Because you know short people have that structure. He's not that short, actually. He's like

a little shorter than I am. Yeah, he's probably 5'11". But he's got that wide... He could definitely kick our ass. I was first going to think it was who got buff. Who's the drummer from Twiddle now? Adrian.

Adrian. He got buff. Adrian's getting buff. Did you see that? He's hella short, though. You saw that picture of him on Facebook? He posted. He was just so proud of his body, but his dick was so massive.

And it was just in his underwear and his just fucking schlock. Like he didn't notice? No, he didn't even realize it. He's got that dad dick. Yeah, it was like that European cocaine. I think that's what happens. Once you have three or four kids, you're just like, your dick isn't even a thing to you anymore. He's got that dad dick. Yeah, it was like that European cocaine. I think that's what happens. Once you have three or four kids, you're just like,

your dick isn't even a thing to you anymore. You're just like, whatever. It's been used. It looks like a... You know, it'll be in pictures and you don't even realize it. You know what I mean? It looks like a white claw.

What flavor, Mango? All right, we got a lot. We got the camp fan base inside the podcast tonight. Well, we'll put this at the end. This is at the end. I don't know if they're going to be like, we'll put it at the end. Got any motivation? I guess we already

did. We gave people motivation. I don't either. Go to Iceland if you have... If you're feeling sad, go to Iceland. Pretty chill there. But save your money because it's expensive. You can't be like Mr. Richie Rich over here. No, I'm just a poor guy having rich experiences. Buy this t-shirt off me on my website.

Oh, did you wear it for marketing campaigns? What's it called? I enjoy various bands. Well, I actually was just grabbing a black t-shirt and I was halfway here and I realized it was Sean has the shirt. I only like one band. That's for tool fish fans goose. Yeah, you know, you're grateful dead

fan and then if you like a lot of it, you know, all right, let's have a great week. Hell yeah. Trying to get Brittany Griner. Oh my God. That'd be awesome. She's, she's not available for interviews right now.

Yeah. She's in Russia, but she's being kept as a political prisoner because she had a hash pipe on her. So fucking whatever. And people are giving the law, but they 10 years, we're giving shit to LeBron for saying,

well, people give shit to LeBron no matter what he does. I know, but I loved. LeBron, we see you in the Drew League coming out in LA. We love that. Why do you think he did that? Because LA. Established dominance.

Well, he's probably feeling himself. He's probably kicking ass in the rehearsal. He hasn't done the Drew League in like 10 years. What? He hasn't done the Drew League in like over 10 years. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

I think he's trying to show that he's still got it, but also Kyrie. I don't know. God, this whole thing stressed me out. Let's not talk. No, I want to talk about it.

What the Kyrie podcast. We can talk about Kyrie. Oh, I want him on the lake or so bad. Why? I rather have an interested Kyrie Irving than an uninterested Russell. Of course, because the argument is who's better between him and Russell Westbrook.

Yeah. Kyrie Irving. Yeah. We're not going to get anyone else. So it's just another year of LeBron and his prime. He's killing it right now. That's fair. He's not in his prime.

That's what's scary about LeBron. I know. His prime was the heat. I know. Isn't that crazy? He's so good. He's such a good player. LeBron haters are so tiresome.

Petty. Some petty bullshit. What did he ever do to anyone? Nothing. He's a good man. Like he raped someone in Golden Coral. All right. Goodbye.

Goodbye. All right. We're done. Have a great day't think he raped someone in Golden, Colorado. Sure, all right. Goodbye, goodbye. All right, we're done. Have a great day. We love you. Fuck you, Nick. And we'll see you later. You tuned in to the World's Health Podcast with Andy Fresco. Thank you for listening to this episode.

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