Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 19: Matt & Chad Cocuzza (Spoonfed Tribe)

Episode Date: September 4, 2018

It's an emotional cage match on the show. Andy vs Yeti decide once and for all: who is the more basic. Tensions feud but the brotherhood gets stronger. We also have Chad and Matt Cocuzza from the Spoonfed Tribe talking tour life and dealing with death of multiple family members while touring on the road. This interview will make you laugh, cry and want to hug the people you hold close in your life as quickly as possible. This is Episode 19. Follow us on Instagram @WorldSavingPodcast Check out our sponsor, Blue Delta Jeans at https://bluedeltajeans.com/ For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Keep up to speed with our brother Matt & Chad by visiting: https://www.spoonfedtribe.com/ Produced by Andy Frasco Yeti Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Bret "The Hardman" Hartman   Shawn Eckels & Andee Avila Arno Bakker

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We're on the Andy Fresco World Saving Podcast with basic bitch Yeti over here. Fuck you. Oh, my God. I just looked over at you. I was like, here it comes. Oh Oh my God. I just looked over at me. I was like, here it comes. Oh my God. Eddie, we need to talk about this. You brought this up at brunch.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're saying we brought this in at brunch. It is breakfast, homie. This is not brunch. Let me tell you something. We need to have a real talk, Eddie. Here we go. Oh, my God.

First off, he tried to flirt with a girl. He got mad at me because I said, oh, yeah, I'm a musician. He's like, why didn't you say you're a podcast host first? I'm like, what in the right world is you trying to get pussy saying that you're a podcast host as your first and main occupation, Yeti. I admit it. What the fuck are you thinking right now? I told you I'm not good at this thing. No, you try too hard to be good at this thing and you just need to let it go.

I just need to be. Just be. All right. Stop trying too fucking hard to be this life. Just be it. This happens every time we hang out. Andy has to remind me that he's super chill and that I'm not chill. You're not.

Yeah, it just, well, it's day three of our hanging out. Yeah, yeah. It's like we kind of, we go through this ebb and flow. There's nobody. And this is the first time, I think it's the first time we've hung out solo without without other people to kind of buffer all's well you know this is i try to hang have you hang out with my homie you don't talk to him until you guys start doing cocaine at 2 a.m in the morning and then last night with damon was a good combination with you. Yeah, he's chill like me. But today at the fucking farmer's market today, buddy.

What was I doing? Just taking pictures of us fucking drinking fucking coconut waters. I'm like, I'm supposed to be mysterious, homie. I ain't trying to be a basic bitch, take all these videos. Look at us. Be subconscious about it. Be cool about it. Be cool about it. This podcast is going to be cool is when we stop trying so hard to be cool and we just be who we are. Unless

that's who you are, basic bitch. You're like, I don't want no vanilla. Oh my God. My co-host is basic. Great. I just learned this. See, we're... Oh, fuck. We're 17, 18 18 20 plus episodes in oh my god i guess i'm just so i'm getting out of my my instagram and social media um coma where i'm finally being present in the moment well you're not on tour you have some time to not be thinking i mean like you have time between you know talking to your manager talking to your booking agent because you don't have anything else going on right now i'm not any

type of celebrity here i'm not a celebrity this is your friend i'm a minor league i'm a minor league people know me on a minor league basis you're semi-recognizable semi-recognizable yeah first off you can't be saying your first gig is a fucking podcast and try to get pussy from that write this down take your note literally you saw me reach in get your fucking phone out

when we're marketing when we're marketing yourselves subconsciously this isn't five years ago social media where you have to put your fucking face and say hey guys we're at the farmer's market and just want to say this is tight just show the video of you at the farmer's market that's what people are looking for no it just gets obnoxious they want to partake

at their at their leisure where as it were yeah they just want to be part of it just like you're like the record like the government's recording you at all times they just want to be part of it. Just like the government's recording you at all times. They just want to be a fly on the wall. Let them be a fly on the wall. Write this down. Don't do cocaine at 2 a.m. and then try to be civil at 11 a.m. When we have work to get done

and I waste half a day watching Netflix, which I should have done because it's good for my health at this point in my life, let's get some work done. Let's write some content. Let's be the people we want to be, Yeti.

Not the people we're trying to be. Fuck, that's good. That's like the biggest piece of, like the biggest bomb that's ever been dropped on this podcast right there. Legit. Besides me almost getting a girl pregnant. No, that was hilarious.

I mean, that's a bomb in and of itself, but yeah. But yeah, you got this. You got this. You could be a great, I'm not past the podcast. Like, what do you want to be outside of the podcast? That's where you should think about this. This is just a filter.

This is just an outlet for the art we want to put out. You're not a fucking podcast. You're not just a podcast, Yeti. You're not just a basic bitch either. You're more. You got this. Don't be scared to do shit don't be scared to have someone like you're more than just have someone just then be a co-host is what i'm trying to get at yeti you're more than that this is you're calling me out and you're saying get on my level because i

want you over here yes don't be basic you know i'm not saying i'm some and you're saying get on my level because I want you up here. Yes. Don't be basic. You know, I'm not saying I'm some egotistical like get on my level, bro. I'm more like let's ride together. Yeah. I don't want a baby brother who's fucking 50 years old. You have that. Like you have plenty of that. That is accessible to you.

I'm not saying that's in your space. You're saying like, hey,cember 2nd 2017 i called you out and said hey we can hang and like you're straight up saying be my friend be my partner don't be don't be like a fan boy yeah i'm serious i'm not a fan of you anymore frasco let's be i'm your homie homies we're homies it finally happened i'll change my phone this is this is how i found out it finally happened yeah yeti makes his two inch from the the what is it doc doc the two hashtag about my small dick it's funny yeah but the only footage of it is just like close-ups of my face, Yeti.

And like things I'm doing. Some fanboy stalker shit, Yeti. Real talk. All right. No concept into the fucking documentary footage besides just pictures of me laughing and eating ice cream and fucking doing my laundry. That's not documentary Eddie all right I don't need a fanboy as my co-host okay got you I love you I love you too I love you very much yes you are my my co-host my bitch at points but

let's do this together it'll be eventually a time when you'll have more likes than me because maybe people will get sick of me too and that's okay and that's just part of we're both on this wave and we're on different waves at different points yeah so but we're not doing it for likes and you've said that i know and that's what you're talking about your little well are you doing it for like i have been yeah and that's my point is that it like i even said that on it we recorded it 420 in denver i was like this isn't about this this and this this is about us expressing how we feel consciousness can come into the world yes so if we take us out of the picture and just

talk about it and let it flow we're gonna have better shit don't be fucking basic that is my biggest pet peeve i talk shit about it all the time. And if I have a basic ass fucking co-host. It looks bad. It looks fucking horrible. You ain't called out on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So come on.

Let's fucking ride together. Fucking two motorcycles. Not just a motorcycle and a little sidecar for fucking Yeti over here. Let's get our biker gang going. Fucking be individual. Let's do this. Don't worry about what people think about you. Don't fucking think like you have to put on this persona, a Yeti persona or whatever.

People, they're not worried about that. Let's be authentic and when we hang out don't be so much a fucking fan boy i got you i promise i love you all right cool what do you want to talk about today oh uh i'm gonna go cry i'm just kidding oh man you did when you were talking to me though like two things um number one i did get emotional but i'm like that um and two uh this reminded me of episode one like where we were we were in park city recording and you were talking to me and i'm like oh fuck he's getting the fuck out of me right now like you you did that from episode one and here we are here and i'm like all right sorry we'll do some good stuff love you i don't want to be like

the dad yeah it's funny i'm older than you and you but here's the thing is like you said you're acting like you've never done this before mike haven't and that's and that's fine like i'm not i'm saying like you're you're mentoring me in this um i haven't either i know and that anyway i get that but what i'm saying is that i just love that we're brothers in this because that's that's what honestly has been lacking in my life are genuine friendships like i don't build friendships i either push people away um by my behavior like acting like a basic ass or by my own choice because their behavior isn't something i want to and that's just a lack of maturity and i I'll admit that. I'm just looking for real authentic friendships as well, bud.

Right. And this is my filter to, and this is your filter too. I'm not just saying this is just my show. This is our show. Right. So instead of worrying about the next thing you're going to say, let's just worry about the conversation we're having at this second. You know? So don't worry about being cool you are cool yeti thank you you're fucking awesome you're a good guy

you're sensitive you're emotionally open now since your bisexualism has came around and uh you're having three sexualism anyway sorry i interrupted you um you're opening up you know you're talking about drugs i mean you're suppressed i was suppressing a lot of feelings too i've never really talked about my sex life i'm talking to two thousands of people now yeah you know i don't want you know i'm probably gonna turn some people off and i'm probably gonna free some people that we're all going through the same stuff. Well, we get that. We get that feedback, whether it's on Instagram. And those of you that are listening, you're saying these things like, hey, we love it that you guys are real and authentic about.

And even the interviews we have on, that's the reason people want to be on this podcast as far as guests go, is that they love that you've been doing the grind and that you can identify with that and it gives them an opportunity to not just talk about how many uh fans they have or their next album it's more like oh what's it like you know being a musician and talking to a musician that understands that it's all about this show i want this show to be all about conversations with people not thinking that one person is higher than them or lower than them we're all at the same pace we're all meeting in the middle yeah and let's talk about that so no more fanboy no more you are just as important

as i am this is our podcast people our podcast I tell you fuck up then I'm firing you but this is till I have to have this conversation again and then it's gonna be if I have to have this conversation three more times three more yeah I have three more yes no it's like Bill Clinton's strikeout oh yeah you go straight to prison you go straight to prison for a parking ticket for a parking lot it's trying you posted that on video on instagram i told you not to you're done but i love you yeti i'm not trying to like bash you i just think uh if we're gonna make this work i just know when i'm about to run away because

i'm a commitment foe too and i don and I don't like basic shit mm-hmm I want to be honest let's be authentic let's drag shit let's cry together you know well this way I beat each other off too bad I like it's fun when we tell when we play around talk shit but I'm totally down talk shit yeah I'm like you're gonna call me out of my shit like you have when I'm suppressing your ratings are like acting like an you definitely when you're acting basic i'm gonna let you know i'm gonna let you know i saw this thing what'd you see uh it said and this is this is a little gay so i apologize um okay i said it

says i hate small talk i want to talk about adam's death alien sex magic intellect and the meaning of life far away galaxies lies you've told your flaws your favorite sense your childhood what keeps you up at night your insecurity and fears i like people with depth who speak with emotion from a twisted mind. I don't want to know what's up. And that's you and I to a T. That should be all human connection. It is. It should be. And that's what we're trying to open up people. You're not alone here, guys. We're all going through this shit together. We're all feeling. We're all hurting.

We're all smiling. We all eventually cry. And we all eventually die. So let's start having each other's backs and being vulnerable with people and letting people know how you feel towards them and not holding it in. Because that's where cancer,

that's that cancer that builds into your body. We were talking about that Melch fucking documentary. Oh, yeah. Same shit, man. So be good to the people you want to be good to. Love each other. And let's just try to coexist. It doesn't matter what color skin you are

or who you are. It's who we want to be in life yeti be that person and the great thing is you get to be that you get to choose to be that right now it's not a waiting game yes it's it's right now do it so there we go there's my my temper tantrum on recording i was end. I was in the car. I'm like, I got to get the fucking podcast machine out. We got to do this.

But I love you. I'm not trying to be an asshole. I know you're not. I'm just trying to help as friends. If we're going to grow this thing, let's do it. We got to do it right.

Yeah. All right, let's listen to the next interview while me and Yeti hug each other. Hug it out. He tries to touch me in weird ways.

I love you. You're an attractive man. And you a bisexual man you know i get it i'm a trap i'm my six pack i saw you you got tan on right now it's cool i'm not attracted to you though like straight up you're lying to yourself all right we'll talk after the show We're here. Chatty, Matty, Kakuza, Spoonfed Tribe, my best friends. Put up with my bullshit a lot. I feel like I'm like your younger brother. How we doing, Chatty?

How we doing, Matty? Doing fucking awesome. We're going to gangbang this brotherly interview, baby. Let's do it. Boys, I've been waiting a long time for you to be on this show i wanted to wait until i was respectful and i wanted to wait until uh you know i just did my research more and just i know you guys as people and i love you as people i just wanted to do some research on the band because i was too young to really see spoon fed tribe in their prime like how is it

how many years have you guys been doing this i guess it all really started back in 93 94 yeah because you're you're 10 years older than chatty eight years yeah so when did when did chad join the band so spoon fed was the thing the thing. So Spoonfed was the start. Yeah, that was 93, 94. And then... Where? Here at Arlington. Dallas, Texas, Arlington.

And then had some lineup changes. And in 99, we added The Tribe and just decided to go a totally different direction. Add more people. Get as far outside the box as we possibly can. So what was the idea musically? Do you want to do world music? There were absolutely no rules.

Everybody in the band was writing songs. We had guys that were just starting out on guitar or singing. Who were your inspirations in Dallas? Dallas was absolutely Billy Goat, Trippin' Daisy. Huge Trippin' Daisy fan back in the day. That's both of Dylan's bands? No, Billy Goat's Dylan's band. Wasn't he in Trippin' Daisy's too?

No, no, no. That's Tim DeLauder in front of that band. Those were the first bands I was sneaking out of my house to go see at night, sneaking into clubs if I could. what would you like about them um it was just a vibe like i'd never really gone to live music in my hometown i think i was like 16 years old me and egg are singer heard so we're dropping off some girls late night after a double date or whatever making out in the driveway and i hear this band playing we're like dude let's let's go find out where this is coming from. So we went to the now world-famous Gold Nugget, which is...

Oh, the Nug? The Nug! Rest in peace, the Nug. We love you. We found out where the music was coming from. We went back to Egg's house. We snuck out some liquor and sat in the parking lot and drank until we had the balls to try to sneak in. sure enough there was no one at the door we walk in and little do we know it's

one of tripping daisy's first gigs what year was this i don't i was 16 so probably 90. and now we walk in and the entire band is just sitting ind in style on the floor or laying down everybody in the crowd was laying on the floor and they were just jamming laying on the floor were they on like fucking acid or something yeah was it a big was that was that big part of the scene in the 90s with acid or was it like cocaine and speed acid was pretty prevalent back in the early 90s mid 90s yeah um yeah and then uh yeah once i saw them and i just started going as many shows as i possibly could dallas fort worth were you a musician at this time um yeah yeah i was playing i started playing kid at 12. so when did chatty start playing music i started playing i guess when matt got his drum set

uh i was about four years old. It was pretty much right after we moved down here from New York. And he would go to school, and I'd go in there and break all of his drumsticks into drum heads for him and rearrange my drums. So was that the plan, to have your brother in the band? It never really was early on because he was too young yeah uh but then you know he had bands that were going doing good and then egg our singer now um started singing for them you know uh it was basilica sam and um we had jam rooms right next

to each other in this old storage unit um and no heating no air conditioner 80 bucks a month i would pay deep back then but i'd pay my share in quarters and ones and shit in the wintertime we would literally light bonfires inside our storage unit to stay warm what do you mean by that we would light fires inside the storage unit while we were practicing. But Texas is fucking hot. Well, in the winter. Oh, so it gets cold in the winter? Yeah, it gets cold.

Damn. We have summer and we have winter here and that's about it. It's hot as fuck or cold as fuck. Texas, dude. So tell me about the scene

in Texas in the 90s. Was it crazy? Man, I watched Trippin' Daisy from that that gold nugget show i watched them in just a matter of couple years headline edge fest at the starplex and so that was a huge inspiration and then growing up watching mike d i was like man you know i saw him play the first time i was just front man percussion i was like fuck yeah dude

that's what i want to do right there you know and then you know watch triple Daisy and those guys blow up really from small crowds to you know starplex I was like wow this this could possibly be attainable you know cuz I talked a lot of your old fans and they're like damn spoon-fed was fucking nuts dude like in the 90s or the late was it the late 90s you guys started like coming here literally 2000 99 we we formed the tribe and things so what were the antics like what were you doing like oh man what how rock and roll were you guys i want to know the fucking beef dude come on give me it was weird dude it went from like you know kind of this like you know pre-spoon fed tribe when it was just

spoon fed it was like this kind of like i mean i remember kind of going as a kid and going into these like weird venues like a warehouse or something in dallas where i believe we broke in to play the show like because the guy was like yeah go ahead you can do a party at my place we show up and the guy's not there but like the door was open and so we went in put a stage in you know had about 250 people show up it was our bass player jerome's birthday party uh there was a bunch of other crazy shit that happened yeah check that shit out this place is called dune buggy headquarters it's off industrial in dallas we show up fucking no one's there.

We're like, dude, we thought we had a gig. So now we get all these kids showing up. We're like, dude, show's got to go on. So we found an open... You're basically taking over some fool's house. Found an open... It was a huge warehouse. We found an open door, unlocked the front door,

and we just went for it, you know? And oddly enough, dude... So check this out. We're like, me and the other drummer at the time we do fucking took a couple hits and i said and uh we're coming back from the car and we're crossing the street and like five six cop cars pull up and we're like oh fuck dude we are busted for throwing this party man and they're like get on the ground get on the ground we're like what the fuck and you know we're tripping now and uh they said we fit the description of someone who just robbed a

liquor store down the street a band i was just two dudes walking we were about to go on little did they know we broke into this fucking warehouse right and there's 200 kids in there ready to rumble jesus and now we're held at gunpoint because they think we robbed a liquor store i was like no man it was not us what the fuck yep they ended up getting a call on the radio and they found who did it and uh they apologized no i mean they were they're in the heat of the moment did the show go on the show went on it's nuts fucking rock and roll so that was like was that the moment like, hey, we're actually doing something out here in Dallas? Yeah, yeah.

We had things rolling pretty good when we were just spoon fed. And we would light fires and come, you know, Troy was always doing luau since he was a little kid. So he'd twirl fire and we'd parade in with torches and drums and bones. and we parade in with torches and drums and bones with bones and we had this dehydrated fucking coyote that we put on this platform and march him in like you know what for the question is like back in the day you know it kind of morphed in from like you me's going as kind of like a you know a teenager and you know playing in my band I think my band basilica say i'm open for spoon fed that night and you know just going i remember going in you know because i'd be here

with practice and stuff here at the house and my parents are always really supportive of us doing that but then you get out to the show and you go in and be like dude what the kind of rituals going on here man this is some dark this is like is like... I don't know if a lot of you guys are familiar with Crash Worship, but that was another big influence for us, where it was just balls out, party, just chaos. So much smoke in the venue. You can't even see five feet in front of you.

Oh my god. What was the scene like in the 90s? Was it a lot of disco? Or not disco, like fucking big house music? So you bring in these ritual drums i couldn't tell you man we what were you listening to back then well we were going to rainbow gatherings and we were going to like rainbow gatherings yeah and like the start of uh flip side which is a a regional burning man that started out on this land and this thing

called drum quest and we went i think it was like 93, 94. And we went down there. Crash worship was playing. And dude, there's just a massive fucking bonfire, probably 50 foot across. They had a stage going. And crash worship, we heard them coming from probably a quarter mile away. And they're just marching across this this prairie land dude marching into the stage they're blowing off these fireballs and like everybody's getting naked

dancing around the fire and uh yeah we were just like man we just dug that shit so it was so primitive and and so you really started your career at all those burning mans and the rainbow like tell me some stories about what happened in the rainbow gatherings people who don't know what a rainbow gathering is explain what a rainbow gathering is well it's been going on in the 60s and then since the 60s and um they always take place in a national forest or national land because it's legal to camp anywhere in the national forest. And it's pretty organized. Yeah, you would go and it was wild. You know, we're green as shit. And I had some friends like man, you got to go with us. So we go with them. And we roll up. And they're like, Welcome home, brother. And they have different

camps set up. So you start at the entrance of the forest, if you will. And that would be a camp, which is Alcolex Camp. And that's where all the kind of, I wouldn't say lost souls, but people are living on the road for way too many years, hanging out there. And then, you know, the farther you go, the farther you go, the farther you go, the weirder it gets. And you're talking, you know, you're hiking in miles, you know so it's kind of like forest and camp where burning man got started right because

in that like the concept of burning man i'm sure a lot of those pioneers were familiar yeah but at the end of the camp you'd go to the very end of it and there's a spot called tea time and you'd get to the end and there's just old cats man's old hippies brewing up mushroom tea and they didn't bite in you sit down you drink the mushroom tea the rest is history so you guys would play those like is it like do you have pa or is it just straight acoustic just like drums bring hand drums we actually darla oats we met who later on ended up doing some recordings with us amazing voice we it was funny we we got there we had driven this is the one in arizona and we're

driving this before internet right or cell phones or any of that and we're just like it we'll go to arizona and find it we know it's in this forest and we'll just find it all right that's how green we were and so we're driving around driving around and uh couldn't find it we green we were and shit. So we're driving around, driving around, and couldn't find it. We knew we were close. And we saw this dude at the gas station had a laptop. It was probably the first laptop I ever saw. And I was like, man, I think I got some directions. And he spat out what he could.

And we're like, all right. And so we're driving, we're driving, we're driving. And we're like, dude, we got to be close. And we're tuned into this low FM station, low on the dial, and we start hearing this Disney music on. And we're like, what the fuck? And it was just on repeat. It was about a 10-second sample that just kept on going and going.

And as we kept driving, it would start fading out. We're like, no, dude, turn around. It's got to be back there. Someone's broadcasting that shit from the Rainbow Gathering. And sure enough, we turn around. Signal got louder and louder. And we barely saw the turn in. And sure enough, it was way down that dirt road.

And we found it. So how many days do these people stay at these Rainbow Gatherings? I think it goes on like a full solid week you know i'm sure people showing up you know months in a man in advance they build you know is it like kitchens and you know and it's all inclusive everybody's a participant food is free but you damn sure going to be washing some dishes when you're done or you volunteer to do this or that and just everybody takes care of each other so we had shown it after that long journey getting there we showed up we set up our tents man we're you know been on the road for two days we get everything set up and they're like uh you guys are a little too close to the river we need you 100 100 yards from there we're like fuck man so now we to break down all that shit. We scoot over, finally sit down, spark up a joint.

We're like, fuck yeah, we made it. And we hear this most amazing angelic voice coming from up the mountain. Like up there, and then someone has a lantern, and we're up in the clouds, up in the mountains. And I was like, dude, we got to go see who's singing this, man. And sure enough, we go up the mountain, we bring some drums with us, and we meet Darla Oates.

And turns out, she lives in fucking Dallas. Here we are at Rainbow Gathering, never been before, middle of nowhere, it's a kill getting there, and we meet her, and she turns out to be from Dallas, and stayed connected, She came recorded a couple of albums and

Rob Markman, Jr.: That's his history with her. So when did you start touring hard with the band? It was like 99, 2000 we started hitting the road. Like how many shows were doing a year then? We're probably doing 100 to 150. Damn. Just like, like, we did you have a booking agent agent was it just gun hoe like you're just like you were grassroots self-sufficient we had in-house manager that we we grew up with it was just a friend so who was booking the shows uh who's that who he was a guy that i think jerome

our bass player met somehow i think just like working you know crews at shows bigger shows that would come through and they'd be like the roadies or whatever and stuff like that and yeah he would come in and like i remember dude i mean he was just so driven and uh had just a notepad and a phone dude and cold call dude cold call cold call cold call i know you know all about i know that though um and then i mean you know back in those days man we had like a team we would have a warehouse where we could park our bus and our trailer. Band members, I mean, we basically took this warehouse over and built like rooms to stand, put showers in there, put our studio in there, our offices in there. And every day, man, we were up there either writing music or, you know, I would try to help with the booking or, you know, promotions and get the street team. Remember like the street teams have emails and this and that. You just have people, you know promotions and get the street team remember like the street teams or emails and this and that you just have people you know how are you getting the point across when

social media wasn't that popular you know it wasn't so like in the early 2000s it was basically all word of mouth and if you didn't if you're independent band so how did you get your name out there just hit the streets yeah so you you road warrior did yep holy yeah yeah we were somewhere somewhere you ever get any into up situations i got a gig where someone's like either trying not to pay you or just being like kick run you out of town because you're too spiritual oh yeah but you know as uh being uh from new york and sort of the family background that we've told you a little bit about tell them about the family talking to him our manager greg brown man who happens to be one of our best friends to this day you know i was in his wedding out in vegas a few years ago he married another one of my best friends and you know it's just we still carry a really good relationship with each other

but do this this guy uh you know he's went on to do other things but i mean he was our coach he was a ball of light he was our coach what was he what was the type of inspiration they're giving you just he was you got to be the hardest rocking working band and get it get it leave every ounce of blood sweat and tears on the stage every single time he'll be on the side of the stage just fucking beaming us with energy dude like like he was a source man fuck yeah dude and when people were dealing with him and he was you know we'd play a gig and people get approached by you know another opportunity um yeah he would just i don't know he's just a lovable ball of light man so what give me a story like what happened where you had to send in the goons to fucking get get your money i think one

of the first well you know usually everything went pretty smooth and stuff because already there's eight beastly fucking hairy dudes with drumsticks in there like you know and it's like we were very aggressive and just so you never got ripped off sometimes it was there like you know and it's like we were very aggressive and just so you never got ripped sometimes sometimes it was really like you know for the first time for people to see us it was almost like too much like dude this shit like these guys are up there and you just you know sweating and fucking the faces and shit and just everybody's into it so much i mean we thought we were just fucking we'd already we were already there you know like we were already making it just not

necessarily rock stars but dude you could just definitely see the passion pouring out of everybody like yeah you know and that was everybody's goal in life is just to do music and um you know i remember one of the first times it was around jazz fest you know early 2000s we were playing at some place uh late night like our show didn't start till 3 30 it was a late night showcase kind of thing and the guy you know who owes money probably wasn't even that much money you know because we were just you know starting to tour and stuff like that and i remember uh this guy ditched out before we were done and and greg comes up to me he's like hey man uh i think the dude left

was like the dude with the money he's like yeah so i'm like well i guess we gotta go find him then so literally we had waited or we left and we came back like a couple hours after our show or whatever and we were sitting up there and we're basically like all right dude let's go man dude's not coming back it's like 6 30 in the morning you know we're going down the staircase to leave this venue and here comes the guy up the stairs and looks up and just sees us like oh fuck and i mean instant sweat beads coming out of his forehead and this and that and the other thing and we're like where's the where's the bag make with the loot and so he goes to the back he's like pulling out

like 20s and ones out of his back pocket and shit you know oh was the show the show didn't make any money or what no I mean it did he just you know

it's just just being a greaseball it was late night New Orleans some greasy promoter guy you know just we've had other like other shows

where a lot of times we'll do a thing we make a sculpture out of everything that's in the venue like what We've had other shows where a lot of times we'll do a thing. We make a sculpture out of everything that's in the venue. Like what? Explain it. Like chairs? Tables.

Chairs, tables, whatever the fuck it is. Cigarette machines, whatever it is. And we make these sculptures. Well, a lot of clubs, they're like, what the fuck? They think we're going to torch the place. We're going to torch it when we're done. And I think it was Valdosta, Georgia, we ran into some shit. I mean, we're up there and we're gonna torch the place yeah torch it when we're done and i think it was val dos to georgia we ran into some shit i mean we're up there and we're jamming you know we built this sculpture with ladders and all anything we can find from the storage room or anywhere and uh we

got these ladders out dude and we're jamming on the ceiling fans and shit we're talking ceiling fans that are already like busted ass barely like you know and you just go up there and just hold a drumstick in there and just go to the beat and shit you know and other like you fucking you know smashed our club up we're not paying you we're like all right so you smashed the club up even more or what let's just say we never got asked back damn so like i've seen like you that would happen a lot more than you know if you're doing this every night and you've only had a couple experiences where like the venues were super pissed then looks like you're winning you know everyone didn't really care that you're making a mess because you're you're throwing such a big party right

yeah generally that's how it went. Dude, what about festivals? What were the crazy antics you would do at festivals? Man, see it. Well, like... Were you planning these out or were they like impromptu bits? Like, were you like, okay, this tonight, we're going to... Like, how I do it is said,

like, I have ideas about what type of shtick I want to do in each town, you know? But was it completely improv? Like you just said. We would know if it would be a sculpture night or not. Yeah. And then at that point, you're like, all right, you just you're eyeballing everything throughout throughout the day.

Everything. Yeah. Be like, all right, this is what we're going to do here. So what was that? Did you guys open for any big band for a while or what was that? Yeah. I mean, we, you know, with the persistency of our crew theron and greg back in the day man it was just a persistence game where you know high sierra we want to play

high sierra what do we got to do to do that years of calling calling calling calling calling you know and then like three weeks before they're like all right you know why don't you guys come out here and play and we're like no shit so now we're scrambling. We're just going to go drive to Northern California and whatever happens on the way from Texas, whatever happens on the way there. I remember we went from Corpus Christi to High Sierra, which is Northern California. It took us 54 hours on the bus.

And it's not cheap to fucking pull a bus. What kind of bus were you rolling 1979 international school bus that we converted into a motorhome and we were pulling the heaviest fucking trailer we could probably find and how many guys were in the band back then there were seven of us but then we'd always pick up you know hippie chicks or you always had some random people on the fucking bus that wanted to hop on tour you know or needed a ride like that guy's hitchhiking dude let's pick him up yeah just he would get weird you know and that bus was like sailing the seas in a fucking in a pirate ship dude holy and it was now that makes so much sense with your music it was a party everywhere we went like you know just

parking that shit in key west somewhere you know and people want to get on the bus man you know yeah we would do a lot of street performing and stuff too like that was like were you guys were getting or was it just like were you single guys like did you have girlfriends like what was what was the chemistry there like were you just like bringing girls on the road just like them and then bringing them and then shipping them out of town we were all about the music bro of course Of course, Jabari did. We were making love. I'm curious about that because it's a way different game now.

Well, you know, we were talking about the transition of it going, you know, earlier from like a dark kind of like real primitive fucking kind of scary show to like, then all of a sudden we're all fucking wearing like sundresses kind of shit. Sundresses? like then all of a sudden we're all fucking wearing like sundresses kind of shit like just like skirts and kind of put into this like real hippie environment and all of a sudden we're like on the jam scene you know at like you know these festivals and we're starting in the rainbow gatherings and the jam scene and you know here come the dreadlocks but we were like we were we were like really still rock and roll like heavy music for these situations that we're getting put into so it was like almost like in that scene it's like once

that we're like heavy metal heavy band in the in the jam hippie scene and i think that would make you know and you got six dudes playing drums as hard as they can you know it made us stand out you know we would doing would be street a lot of street performing we'd hit the road you know to fill in the holes we had nights off we just set up in downtown somewhere oh like like in busk oh yeah but we had shows that were yeah it's like more promotion really you know like go down to the coffee shop in the morning of the gig and just fucking bust out in front of people are like what the fuck is going on if these dudes are fucking crazy like sundress they're wearing like day glow paint and shit like

fucking they look fucking freaky and you're like in fucking kansas and like and they're like come out and look down you see this like old ass fucking bus and shit of us pouring out of it and just all kinds of crazy shit but yeah man like that cruising those bus i'd never give those days up for anything and just looking back on it going, holy shit, dude, we drove around this country going like 55, 60 miles an hour and shit. You know, we had like this steel trailer that had like these thick wooden floors that weighed about 5,000 pounds when it was empty. Cruising this bus just burning fucking gas.

Oh, you didn't know because you're just like you guys are a you guys were a family and like you weren't thinking about saving money at the time you know like you were just in the moment and like do you think that hurt your career in a sense or helped your career i don't know it just became the way of the tribe man like we made a bunch of shitty business decisions absolutely like which ones um we got approached by sony way you know early on probably 2002 2003 and we just didn't want to be part of the machine and we were fucking young was it a big offer it was a decent offer um just preliminary um but yeah we were just was deep Elma big

was pretty and was getting pretty big so I was on fire man from like I mean mid 80s it felt like they signed a lot of Dallas bands so during that time I think one of the things that kind of I don't't know, as far as Deep Ellum kind of sinking a little, we did a CD release show in 2004 into 2005. And we played the set. We were playing at the Curtain Club, played the set, sold out show. And it's New Year's Eve. So every club down there is packed. And we had always, we would drum into the venue and then drum out,

out into the streets and finish the show out in the street. So kind of like second line style. Yeah, yeah. And so for this night, being New Year's Eve, been on a big show, we asked the UTA drum line to come out and join us at the end of the show. You don't mind if I'm day drinking, right? No, right. That's what we do.

It is halftime at the N.D. Fresco interview hour. Yeah, what's up, world? This is Brett Hartman from Vermont-based jam band Interstellar Oyster, and you're listening to Hard Tricks with Brett the Hard Man. Hard man. Wow! Hard Tricks with Brett the Hard Man. Hard Man.

Wow! Hard Tricks! Fucking booking agents. Every single fucking time. These motherfuckers, they think they're the fucking best and biggest, baddest thing that's ever happened to the fucking industry. Well, guess what? Wake up.

You're not. Hard Tricks. Let me get it. You're some fat... What's going Wisconsin, fucking drawing lines on a map, sending the real motherfuckers, the real rockers out here to do the real work on the real road. Hard takes. We go to the towns, we rock the fans, we kick their asses, we knock their faces, clean off with guitar, drum slap, wail in the a**. And this mother f***er has the audacity to send me on a 14-hour drive to Neenah, Wisconsin?

I've never heard of this town. How do you spell this town's name? Hard takes. You're telling me that that's our gig? We have no routing? You're going to send us from Alabama to Neenah, Wisconsin for $700? How much gas does it cost to get to Neenah, Wisconsin from Alabama? $700.

Fuck you. Wow. Hard day. How'd they know of your band? Like, did you hit them up? We hit them up. Like, our old drumline instructor was instructing at UTA. And so we hit him up.

And he's like, yeah, man, I can get some guys together. So they sneak the drums out of the college to come play with Spoonfed, right? And it's the end of the night. We come marching out of the venue, right? Well, now it's 2 in the morning, 2.15. Every club in Deep Ellum is getting let out. Yeah, some of these kids are like 16, 17-year-old high school kids and stuff, too. They're so excited to hang out with fucking rock stars.

We have like 30 drummers marching out into the street. And now club's emptying out we got probably 2 000 people around us just jumping streets are closed off and it's just all the clubs are letting out right now at two o'clock and it was one of the most beautiful scenes that i'd ever seen in deep island because back in the you know 90s man there was like a lot of skinheads and like you know black clubs down there where i mean it was like a you know it was dangerous down there man and i mean there was all kinds of gangs and this and that and the other thing and so to see something like this you know and be a part of it like all the clubs letting out you have the club over here and like you know big gangster looking dude comes out and he's just dancing with this like little hippie bubble looking girl and they're

just dancing together and everybody's dancing to the beat of the music and everything's just seemed beautiful and you know no problems whatsoever and all of a sudden you start feeling like you're getting maced and you look around we're out there we got a couple thousand people around us and our manager was just like march just take it down the street dude and we're we're like, all right. So we fucking turn on Elm Street. And we're walking. And here come 2,000 people behind us. And the cops fucking flipped out. They didn't know what to do.

They were like, we have to shut it down. But how do we do it? Dude, they did not get on a bullhorn. How many cops ended up showing up? Oh, man. It got bad. So fucking one cop busted out some mace. And then here comes the rest of the cops just spraying everybody dude and these little 16 year old college kids you know getting maced and shit and getting slammed to the ground i mean it was how old are you chatty during this uh let's see

that was i was probably 22 23 wow so yeah a bunch of the drummers got ended up in fucking zip ties laying in the street 27 people detained in the street. Helicopters, the whole thing. So yeah, I made headline news that night. Did you get a disturbing the piece? They cited us for inciting a riot was the charge, which ended up getting dropped. So it made the news and it was like 10 o'clock tonight. Deep LM local band starts a riot.

But it was caught on film so they're like you decide at 10 you know and uh sure enough what it looked like from the police or from the helicopter view was it just like i heard i didn't see any footage from that but we saw street footage um and and so we we filed a complaint we were dude, we weren't trying to hurt anybody. You know, it's just our show, bro. It's what we do, you know? And I think, yeah, I think it ended up being fucking jaywalking or something. That's crazy, man. So you're gigging hard.

You've been going through this fucking crazy life. You've been going through all these different parties and basically just DUI-ing it you know DUI do it yourself yeah I'm still know so yeah why and DIY in it you're going through your thing and then how many years were you guys still gigging because it's like when you're going through this and living through this moment all sudden you're having like a family issue or something or like didn't your brother pass away yeah well what yeah he passed in 2010 2010 so were you gigging hard during yeah well my pops died so yeah how was that how was that

couple years it was rough 2002 we were hitting the road hard and my dad was diagnosed with mesothelioma and so they gave him a you know when he got diagnosed I gave him 11 months they're like man you might make it a year and so yeah that was rough being gone all the time and then especially getting close to the end you know the doctors like dude you know could be days did you like take a hiatus or mmm man you know at first you know we did and then you know things kind of started looking better and you know you just always sort of in denial about those things and you're you know

hoping for the best and stuff like that but then you get you know him telling you you know go ahead and go for it man he's like don't don't wait around yeah because that was kind of like you know when we were really hitting it hard we were getting like you know we were doing lollapalooza tour and we were getting all these other festivals i think that was around the high sierra time and um you know whatever else we had going on you know on the west coast or things like that but you know so it's like you know i went had lunch with my dad one day right over here at monies what's up monies and uh you know it was i was still pretty young and i was just now kind of like getting to be my dad's friend i mean you know like because i was just fucking you know you're older i

mean he was older and we were starting to see eye to eye you know so i thought that was really cool we went and had that lunch and you know he's like you know i'm basically uh in other words you know saying like should i should we go do this you know this and that you know talking to him and he's like you know you really should go do this and so we go and do that and we're about midway through this tour and you get the call and you're like okay you know jump on the next flight and go home and go through the motion yeah we were we were going from when he passed we were on the road when he passed we were on the road we had a meeting we had a family meeting we were like and this is one of the biggest tours we had you know best gigs so far to date and we had a meeting we're like man should we go do this and they're like yeah go do it and we're like all right and uh i'll never forget we were

driving through we just passed raton in new mexico i think we're going to red river or maybe taos or something and we're approaching the cimarron canyon and i was in the back of the bus couldn't sleep couldn't sleep couldn't sleep and i always want to see a bear i've never seen a fucking bear in real life i always wanted to and i fucking something got me like i was laying in the back of the bus couldn't sleep and i i just popped up and i went to the front of the bus and we used to stare at stan a little stairwell of the bus and i'm puffing one back dude and out of the darkness here comes a bear ran so close in front of the bus yeah we almost hit that thing and i saw him you know running in the darkness and i got the call a few hours later and my brother call me he's like hey man just want to let you know dad dad passed and to me that bear was like the

spiritual yeah man's last little I was your pop that's a little hurrah Wow so that was 2002 those two thousand September of 2002. You didn't take a hiatus after the passing of your dad. And then when did your mom pass? So, well, my dad passed 2002. And then we were on the road again 2010, September as well. And then, you know, my brother had some issues. You know, he was a drinker and stuff and just kind of, he was always the kind of person that, like,

was kind of too smart for society kind of thing. And, you know, it's like that kind of like almost Einstein or Beethoven kind of like recluse yourself. Just genius, you know. Smartest person I've ever met in my life, you know. And you kind of just don't want to deal with certain shit and you know you know you get into whatever it is whatever demon and you know you get and so i remember talking to him and then there was about three or four days where you know

he wasn't answering the phone and stuff like that and we were in lubbock texas and i think we were just maybe two or three days into the tour and get the call and you're like no fucking way you know it's like committed suicide um he just he he just drank himself pretty much um yeah he i didn't know he just got real reclusive um we had a lake house and he moved out there and just quit socializing and ended up being a bad scene for him. Mad Fientist 1. So damn, that's crazy. Mad Fientist 2.

I'm not saying it was a huge surprise. We didn't know his health was that bad. But he battled with alcoholism since he was 15. Mad Fientist 1. Yeah. Like what? Drinking a lot? Yeah, just drinking a lot. Getting in trouble.

Yeah. So, damn. So that happened in 2010. You guys have been gigging through death. Was that your... And then when did your mom pass away? That was January 12th of 2014. And luckily, if that's going to happen i wouldn't rather have it any other way than how it went down you know we were here at the house we

had just gotten home from tour i believe and so it was a it was nice like cool sunday morning had all the windows open and we're just bullshit and like you know we we're all italian so we joke around pretty hardcore with each other you know and uh we were in the computer room and you know my mom got up she's like man i'm just not feeling right today you know i didn't sleep good last night and my arms my shoulders and this and that and you know but we're still all in good spirits and having a great morning you know watching fred astaire videos and stuff on youtube and shit like that you know just weird stuff and then uh so matt's like i'm gonna go take the dogs for a walk you know at the park and i'm like cool and then he leaves and he calls me he's like hey man something's not right with mom today you know just take it easy on her let's you know see what's going on and so i was like you know had some of this biofreeze stuff i was like let me put this on your shoulders you know like rub this out see if we can get it better

and uh you know so let that set in and then you know i walked by the the computer in the office here and she just looked really tense and i was like let me rub your shoulders man it's the craziest fucking thing that i'll never forget and um it's just the weirdest feeling you ever have but i you know put my hands on her and started to rub her shoulders and right at that moment man she just kind of went into cardiac arrest and just like you know i mean it was quick and i think it was painless and you know she was in my arms when it happened you know like holy shit guys um you know and it's weird dude because after you know your dad you lose your dad and you know you lose some other you know your brother your immediate family

you know it's like you really want to be there you know because that will fuck with you if you're not there you know and so yeah you know luckily that we just kind of use that as a tool to you know sort of put the universe in our favor and you know was your mom really one of your big inspirations about she was amazing best mom ever always supportive of the music she was a tribe mama like every kid was her kid every kid was welcomed in this house and we're growing she was like the sixth band man practice was always here oh yeah she always from bailing members out of jail to you know putting up money to keep the train rolling or whatever it was or wailing on drums in one of these bedrooms right here and getting the neighbors you know calling the cops and this and that and just

whatever it was you know tell the cops to go themselves rock and roll mama she was rock and roll man yeah so going through all this mama c mama c god guys going through all this like death of the family you guys are the only two left in your immediate family right you guys have each other's back it just gives me such chills and such appreciation for our friendship that do all this you're still trying to make the best out of living in the moment being who the people you've always were born to be musicians rock gods great river host as well thank you for taking me in the river river cat river cat just to go through all that going through that it taught us man my brother was 38 years old my dad was 57 my mom not much older and like it just kind of reinstilled this just live

every day like it could be your last man fire man you just never know so you know is that what keeps you keep keeps you keeping on absolutely because you guys do you think that's all through this this has made your relationship with your brother more bonding i mean if we could have gotten any closer we sure as hell did yeah we've always been i mean we always had a real tight family, you know, even with stuff that our older brother Chuck was going through. We were always together. We were always, you know, there for each other no matter what. And we never really fought or, you know, we never physically fought, you know. They would beat my ass when I was a little kid, but just for fun, you know.

Yeah. Just roughing up the little brother, which made me who I am today, of course. And I would never give that up. But yeah, man, I mean. Did you have the talk? Did your mom know she was going? I think that morning she knew something was wrong that she probably hadn't felt before. Maybe she didn't know.

She was like, I always want to see what my dad was. So yeah, my dad was diagnosed. My grandfather had cancer at the same time. Then my dad gets diagnosed. So I'm losing both of them within six months of each other. When we went to see my grandfather off in Florida, That was a month apart to the day. We packed up the family. We got a call from Florida. We're like, hey, you got about two

days to get here if you want to say goodbye. And so my dad was already losing his hair from the chemo and all that, knew he was going to die. And here we are going, say, you know, seeing my grandfather off and just knowing that, you know, any day now, my, my dad would be in the same situation. That was rough. All five of us piled up in a,

in a brand new truck. My dad went out, bought a brand new truck. We're going to drive down there, even though, you know, he worked for American airlines. We could fly for free instantaneously, but there's other reasons reasons behind that we're on our way down there and our truck

breaks down there's like some recall but we break down right in front of a dodge dealership and we were in a dodge truck my dad walks up he's like they're gonna have us out of here first thing in the morning they got the pot coming in there and you know so we get back on the road so that sets us back a whole day and we get there go in talk to grandpa and he went 15 minutes after we got there and said our goodbyes man it was just like movie status you just got to say your goodbyes like you didn't get to say your goodbyes for your brother and you felt like you had you guys had contact with you and your mom you think you felt like it you said I mean, we were staring at each other's eyes, man, when she went out.

It was something. One of the most instilled memories you'll ever have, man. Does it haunt you? No, man. It kind of like humbles me. It kind of like gives me a feeling of ease, actually, because there's no other way i would have wanted i wanted to go about it i don't think she would have either you know i think that's

how it was supposed to happen and it did so i'm i'm kind of thankful for that you know yeah yeah crazy shit dudes yeah she went through a lot you know losing a kid did you write any songs about these situations like what were the songs that you wrote about these or is it still have you have you mourned it yet yeah yeah um there's some stuff that i've written down that i haven't really put out there yet you know i want it to be so badass that there's just no question of not doing it but yeah man there's like you know certain words that i put together and put down on paper and you know it'll be the most genuine song when it's ready you know yeah and you know he wrote a song about his father's passing and that's kind of like the ode to the folks you know

yeah it's nuts man what a life kakuzes holy and and I've known you I didn't know you through the I think I met you right when your mom passed but like I didn't know ever one time I think maybe the first time yeah but I you've always kept a smile on your face you've always treated me like a brother and we never really you know we never really got we we got to hang out once a year. And to see the love you give to the world and to see the heart and soul you put into every fucking song you do. It's just honorable, man. And I just, I appreciate your friendship. I love you guys.

And like, just to hear this story is fucking making me want to cry. And I fucking love you guys. Shit, let's turn the page on this motherfucker. You want to hear some crazy is fucking making me want to cry and i fucking love you guys and shit let's turn the page on this motherfucker you want to hear some crazy fucking rock and roll story i want to hear a rock and roll story hold on let me smoke a cigarette too jesus christ that was the dawn of like the end of the world parade that's how that got started we yeah let's talk about that started doing uh well we always did the drum shit before shows, braiding in and braiding out. And I'll never forget, we were in New Orleans, Mardi Gras. And I think we had played at the Cafe Brazil right there on Frenchman.

And the show was over. It's fucking late. We were probably on some mushrooms or something. And I'm sitting in the van just trying to cool down from the show. And I'm looking out on the street and, you know, a zillion people in the street while the hardcore Christians had come out. And they're on their bullhorns and they got their signs. You're going to hell and you are the devil.

And then you got the party goers that are all dressed up. And, dude, they were just yelling back and forth. It looked like, I don't know, ground zero for this. I was like, it looks like the fucking end of the world right now. And I was like, that's it, man. End of the world right now and i was like that's it man end of the world parade dude that's what we're gonna call it and we ended up turning the parade portion of our band into a band itself full contact marching band boy yeah yeah i mean i mean recently you just did that for vinnie paul's death right you did an end of the world parade i mean it's so monumental like that's vinnie paul's death right you did an end of the world parade i mean it's so monumental like

that's vinnie paul was huge in the dallas community right yeah man he was he was a dime bag right yeah of course man i mean those are always the hometown heroes cool cool man yeah always welcoming i think we kind of he took kind of a little bit more of a liking to us because we're brothers that play music together like he used to come out to all of our shows and deep lm and hit on our girlfriends and you know like they're like hey hey that's my chick vinnie like them drums brother keep it it keep it up man oh yeah he would have us over man we do like a little put together like a little cover band or something go over and play his parties and stuff like that just a very generous guy man just always throwing a party man he'll definitely be missed around here but you know

because he just lives right up the street man and just you know his door was always open oh yeah always open just you know busting out freaking lobster tails for a party of 200 at his house and just throwing these super bowl parties and you know eagle like, like this last year, Eagles versus the Patriots. So you'd have all these Philly cheesesteaks. He's back there cooking up. He's like, hey, brother, you got to try one of these Philly cheesesteaks, man. You ain't going to have another one like this in the world, bro. And I'm not even shitting you, dude.

It was the best food I've ever had, man. One of the best chicken wings I've ever had. Best chicken wings. So professional drummer and professional chef. That sounds like you guys, too. We were just on a river, you guys. I never had such the fucking world treatment on a goddamn camping in my life, dudes. You know how to live life.

That was Paulo, baby. Yeah, Paulo. The whole crew is great. I mean, that's one thing I've learned from you guys is you taught me how to live. You know how I am. I'm so fucking deep into tomorrow or the next day that I don't stop to appreciate the moment that I'm in sometimes. And whenever I'm with you, that's one thing I've learned from our friendship is you taught me how to get out of the head because you guys dealt with some fucking trials and tribulations. And fucking it's insane. And to know that you've overcome it just from living in the moment it just gives me hope I could keep doing this so I love you guys and you guys are my best friends you already know this but the world know all right one last question we gotta do this every

year every season kukuza brothers tag-team this bitch so let's do it all right last question been doing this a lot you could build a festival any band dead or alive you could add your band to it chatty pick the day sets you could do seven do do eight bands per and you it's two-day festival who would they be on the festival anyone man i i grew up on like old like prog rock like king crimson and early 70s genesis and yes and some of that just old kind of nerdy stuff so you know some of those would be on there for me i would definitely have some early 70s genesis with peter gabriel and my favorite drummer phil collins you know um michael jackson would and my favorite drummer, Phil Collins, you know. Michael Jackson would be my,

he'd be my dancer. Yeah, I think so, man. I mean, him, Bill Bruford, you know,

there's so many great drummers, Bonham and stuff like that. But I mean, as far as my style and kind of, I think maybe one of the most influential drummers for me was Phil Collins

in the early 70s, like Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and just the seamless changes of time signatures and just the seamless changes of time signatures and just the crazy shit. Sick. Movement, conceptual stuff, you know?

All right, so you have Genesis. Who else, Matty? Fuck. They can be in their heyday. Heyday, yeah. Heyday. And then give me some bands that are still alive too

or still doing it. Genesis is still doing it. Fuck, man. I would go Crash W go crash worship yeah what about like tool you love i know you guys love tool what about uh some fishbone fishbone baby you love fishbone yeah dude you always love fishbone was that like one of the inspirations growing up i think we've had kind of kindred spirits and careers in a way. I mean, I think they influenced a lot of motherfuckers that surpassed them financially. Same type of party.

Ruckus in the moment. So you got Fishbone, you got Genesis. What about some headliners? Who would headline? Who would be the closer? Man, I think that's tough. One of the one of the best altogether shows that I've ever seen I mean I got to give it up for some nine-inch nails man just that pure rock and like you know they got the whole kind of visual concept that we like and just the whole show in

a hole man just kind of blows me away we played with them at the Voodoo Fest I think like 2008 or 2009 down in New Orleans a couple different years and just every time I was just turning, I was just, yeah, this is my shit right here. Yeah, Nine of Snails is a good one. I gotta go.

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And there you have it. Another episode of Yelling at Yeti. And another great interview. It was fun. Sorry for yelling at you. I feel bad about yelling at you now. Why do you feel bad? You do this.

I do this, yeah. You bottle up a little bit and then you let it go. Yeah. Let me ask you this. Did you say anything to me that you regret no okay then don't feel bad about it okay i just want people yeah you're right no i mean that's i mean honestly that's so i mean that's that's living and honestly like you don't have to remember what you say you you get to do that and that's straight up i think where you where i think that you

with this this little struggle you're having right now is that um you're a perfectionist especially in the things you say i mean think about it you're a songwriter like you're a creator and i'm this way too and so you send the text and then you're like oh i could have said that a little bit better and you do the same thing in the way you talk. You're like, oh, I could. And that's great in a show when you go from town to town to town because you perfect your act.

But when you're with people, that's where you and I become, we have to turn that off and we can't edit on the fly. We can't say things differently. And so that's that perfectionist in us that thinks we could have done a better job delivering or been a little bit different and the reality is that that we don't have to worry about that because that's this this is real yeah so what do we learn today let's be authentic to ourselves

because that's that's you have to start there yes we learn that um people bottle up emotions, and it's okay to let them out. We're not afraid to. Well, and you have to do that in a safe place, and you have to do that with people you trust. And bisexual men love brunch. Thanks for coming out to the show, guys. FrascoandYeti.com. Frasco and Yeti on Instagram.

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