Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 20: Ronnie Brewer (NBA Veteran)

Episode Date: September 11, 2018

Yeti is on sabbatical leave this week to reconnect with his woodland critter brethren. Filling in is our buddy, Jack Brown, from Sophistafunk! Him and the Fro talk about the connection between sports and the jam band scene... And start beef with some other jam bands. Plus, we got Ronnie Brewer on the interview hour! Ahri reviews more TV. And the U.N. tells you their feelings on rock n roll. This is Episode 20. To keep up with the podcast, follow us on Instagram @WorldSavingPodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. Follow Ronnie Brewer on Twitter, @RonnieBrewerJr Produced by Andy Frasco Yeti Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Ahri Findling Dolav Cohen Shawk Eckels & Andee Avila    Arno Bakker

Hey Andy, it's Kim. I forgot to mention while we were on the road, but I have a boyfriend. He's come across your phone number, so he'll probably be calling you. Just don't answer. He'll get tired and he'll stop eventually. Anyway, if you ever back in town, let me know. I had a blast. Bye.

Hey Andy, it's Bola. Dude, did I hear that right? You have Ronnie fucking Brewer on your show this week? Utah Jazz alum? Are you fucking kidding me? Utah Jazz all day, dude. Ronnie Brewer used to fucking shit

all over your Lakers, dude. All day, Utah Jazz. Man, fuck you. Hey, man, I know my girlfriend can't with you on tour right now. Can't fuck. If you're fucking listening, I'm sorry we got into a fight. But going on the road with some fucking idiot is not the way to get back at me.

Just fucking come home. I'd fucking watch his videos. He thinks he's cool because he plays fucking piano barefoot. He looks like a Jewish hobbit. Just come home, okay? This guy sucks. What's up, everybody? We're here. We're live. We're indirect. This is the Andy Frasca World Saved Podcast with Yeti. We have a special guest because Yeti is on vacation.

He's out doing Sasquatch shit. Give it up for Jack Brown from Sophista Funk. What's up, Jack? You're running the show with me today, big dog. Waiting for the audience, the studio audience, to give me some applause right here. Come on. Chris, sound studio applause.

I want the That 70s Show soundtrack too, the rowdy one. Not just that in a can sitcom stuff. Chris, sound studio applause. I want the That 70s Show soundtrack too. The rowdy one. Not just that in a can sitcom stuff. If people don't know, Jack is one of my best friends. We tour with each other's band, Sophista Funk, Frasco, United Nations. He's my basketball guru.

He predicted LeBron would get there before I even thought about it. Before Stephen A. Smith. Before Stephen A. Smith. Before Stephen A. Smith. He's got a fucking collection of champion jerseys. We're going to talk basketball because we have Ronnie Brewer in the building tonight. All right. You know Ronnie?

You know who Ronnie Brewer is? Of course. What do you know about Ronnie Brewer? I know about Arkansas. I saw it, shredding it up back in the day, man. Got drafted by Utah. Played on a bunch of teams. I can picture him definitely in a Rockets jersey.

And I followed his career. He was a great SEC scorer and just an all-around wing player. 3 and D, you know? Well, just early, ahead of his time. Just a great player. Great down-to-earth guy from what I hear, too. So he's living out in Arkansas, hanging out with nefarious characters like you, Mr. Fresco? Tell me, I just want the audience to know,

who is the better shit talker in basketball? Is it me or is it you? I believe it's me because I beat you in fantasy basketball how many years now

in a row? Listen, you didn't win last year and neither did I. I won last year. Oh, geez. Nikola Jokic and Ben Simmons.

All right. Well, for those who don't know, out there in the jam and live music scene, there is an underground current of basketball heads. We are out there. We talk about it all the time. It's true. We got to give a shout out to, you know,

if I see Deitch, Borum, you know, any of the Royal Family guys, we're definitely break science dudes. Lettuce Crew. When I see my man Nick Gerlach out in Denver. Swift Technique guys out in Philly are all hyped up nowadays. The Motet Crew. What do you think the jam scene likes about the basketball world?

Well, I've listened to some great interviews. Brantford Marsalis and things tying even back to New Orleans. And then you got the whole Rucker Park and Jay-Z and Fat Joe. Anyone should check that out about sponsoring their own basketball teams, getting NBA players. There's something between basketball and music that's way bigger. But to me, they speak to each other. I mean, I play basketball when I'm not on the road playing shows because it's the only thing in two to three hours that can mimic the exhilaration, the flow, the passion of playing music and being on stage. So for me, it just keeps me amped.

All right, question. If you had to pick musicians to be on your team, you have five players and you're going to have to ball against other musicians, who would it be? Okay. I'm hearing my man Lyle Davinsky out in the motel has got a jump shot. Yeah, name the bands. Really?

That's the word on the street. You know, there's been a lot of talk, pun intended, with the talk guys. I hear they got game. Talk guys? I've never seen it. I don't think they have game. Main Squeeze, you know, they get it down on the court. We've had some one-on-one battles.

Chris Lagerband. You know. How are you going to say everyone else besides me, your boy? That's bullshit. The Anderson Varejao of the jam scene right here. The man, the myth, the legend. Mr. Andy Frasco. You know I whoop that ass every time I come.

Throwing elbows like Lambeer In the paint Hitting hook shots They aren't the Skyhook They aren't the Kareem But they're the Babyhooks You got some Babyhooks Get the fuck out of here I'll play with you

You think you have a jump shot That's the problem with you Jack You're the only player Who plays as dirty as me I respect that You think you have a jump shot Hey they can check it out They can go watch some videos

Of me out there E-Man I've seen E-Man Your drummer Out hustle your ass No E-Man. I've seen E-Man, your drummer, out-hustle your ass. No. E-Man. No, he doesn't want to hurt his ankles now. So he's too good.

But he's always wearing those low-cut shoes, man. Of course he's not. How are you going to not put your boy Ernie Chang in the small forward position? Ooh, Ernie Chang. I heard Ernie Chang's got the stroke. But, you know, this is all rumors and hearsay. So who else can ball? Can Dyche ball?

You know, I've never seen it myself. What about that guy from Moe? Now we're talking. So who else can ball? Can Dyche ball? You know, I've never seen it myself. What about that guy from Moe? Now we're talking. You want a serious player, probably the best baller of any musician I've ever seen. Shout out to my man Vinny Amico and Moe, the drummer. That dude can straight up ball. Really? He can.

He's like got a Jerry West game. He's a shoot first point guard. He can go off ball. This guy can hustle you out the gym, track you down, swat your shot, hardest working man on the floor. I mean,

our games gelled well together. I will say, you know, I'm trying to be like him in music and in basketball, but, but man, Vinny Cabal, that's,

that's one put in the books. Vinny. Yep. So is that your number one draft pick in the Jam Scene Basketball League? He's my starting point guard. I think after that, you could give me some size. I'll take you as a six-man, Frasco. I've seen you out there. You're going to give us all six fouls.

You're going to lay out on the floor for a couple. Every team needs a Rodman. So we got you on board. Thanks, dog. You're on the floor for a couple. Every team needs a Rodman. So we got you on board. Thanks, dog. You're on the squad. What do you think the culture... I want to go back to hip-hop now. Hip-hop and basketball are so connected.

Why can't we make the jam scene in basketball connected like that? What do we have to do as musicians playing in a cultured sport? Well, I think you're seeing that it's not just white or anything. The jam scene is growing more and more with different cultures blending together, different styles coming together right now that I think that the jam scene has become a microcosm for society right now. And you have people from everywhere coming together on a wavelength as a

mindset. So for there, I feel like basketball comes along with it because whether you like Grateful Dead or Phish or live New Orleans jazz and blues, we all grew up in the 80s, 90s, 2000s or earlier with hip hop in our life in some way. So we all were listening to this music. So even if it's not your favorite thing, or maybe if you feel like certain hip hop in our life in some way. So we all were listening to this music. So even if it's not your favorite thing, or maybe if you feel like certain hip hop isn't your style, we've all have certain songs that we love. I mean, you put on first of the month for my mom in the car, she's going in, you know, hypnotize Biggie for my pops.

You know, he's going to be slapping his knees, driving the whole way, you know, like. Do you feel that way? I feel that way too, actually. The jam scene is getting more cultured and there's getting a lot more different grooves in there. There's getting a lot more different...

You got Afrobeat, EDM joining in and everything that... Is that still considered jam? I think if you have people who are coming together and doing live improvisation and live arrangements and live music and live music, that and

soloing over it and taking extended breaks and things like that, that by nature is jam music, even if it's not necessarily as what people may have perceived jam music to be in a very rigid sense. I think in general, genres are going by the wayside because the average music consumer now is jumping back and forth and watching videos online and listening to and streaming music and going on SoundCloud and borrowing from everywhere. So I think that music has evolved in that sense. And genres are a way to try to sell music to people. Oh, this is a reggae band for the reggae fans. This is hip hop for hip hop fans. We used

to do hip hop showcases, 20 minute sets. Everyone's got their CD player. You jump on the next, you know, seven bands in a showcase. There was no such thing as playing for two to three hours, which is normal in the jam scene. So by blending those kinds of things, I feel like jam scene is a, as an oasis for musicians who want to still, uh a lot of freedom to pursue their art and to go at it. I don't feel confined to hip-hop sensibilities. I don't feel confined to any sensibilities when I'm making music and writing music. I want to make great music that gets people moving. And that freestyle element, I think, is really related to basketball. I see that. What do you see in freestyle basketball?

I feel basketball is more of a... I guess you're kind of right, actually. I didn't think of it like that. No, basketball is not... If you play the game right, it's not a freestyle type of game. Neither is jamming. No, but if you play the game right,

like, for example, when the Dallas Mavericks beat the Miami Heat in 2011, they did an offense. Rick Carlisle, you know, was calling it flow, which was essentially, if you guys all share the ball and Doc Rivers did this in 2008 with, um, which is in Steve Kerr does it, which is essentially if you guys are sharing the ball and playing, you know, that kind of way, we're going to give you the leeway to basically call the plays live and keep it that fresh.

I love watching great basketball. Since the Knicks haven't been as relevant in the last 20 years, I think they have the worst record in basketball since 2003, which we go back and forth. So it definitely helps in your shit talking when you come at me for the Knicks. And now you're Fizdale now.

Yeah. Well, anyway, since then, I've learned to just, you know, and since I've been playing basketball again, I've learned to love watching the game when it's played in a way that inspires me, which reminds me of a good band and are good, especially a good jam band, like the way they improv together and the way they know where each other are. And, you know, there's a great interview with Branford Marsalis that you could probably find out there where he really talks about the members of a team and role players and stars being like a band and how a band plays together and knowing where to fill in the space and how to be there for each other. To me, I think

it's about the flow. And when people are studying the flow, they think of it, oh, be passive. Just let it all kind of, the world take you where, and it's true in a certain sense, but within the flow, you can be passive and assertive. And for example, there are times in basketball to make the pass to the open person. However, sometimes you are the open person. And when you get that ball in that scenario, you need to shoot with the confidence and the effectiveness and the assertiveness that this is your shot and your time. There's times to be assertive within the flow. If the wind was blowing us, we're not just blowing aimlessly, we're steering with it. We can only work within the confines of the wind or the flow,

if you will. But there's something I think to it about the yin and the yang of being assertive within the passiveness of the flow. And I think that's something that when you lock in in basketball or any sport or basically anything you're passionate about, there are hula hoopers out there, artists, basically any branch of the creative tree that you can think of. I think you're tapping into the same thing that when Dwayne Wade talks about being in the zone or Kobe, and these players enter this elevated heightened state of awareness. And I have absolutely felt it in music. And I personally feel that if you're making music from a can and just regurgitating the same old stuff, you can't access that high

of levels as when it is truly lucid and you are there in that room giving the people in the room a unique show and i think that's something that jam music offers now amidst a sea of pre-programmed and very you know uh that side of things materialistic music that it's like wow i think the jam scene actually has a a role right now as a as a torchbearer for culture in a special way of almost like carrying the torch of soul and soul music, pouring your heart out right there in the room. So to me, basketball speaks that language in a very, very cohesive way that I think a lot of athletes and musicians have recognized through the years. I mean, you could start going down the list. You know, one of the first CDs I even owned was Shaquille O'Neal's CD, Shaq Diesel.

And talk, you know. What was your favorite song on that record? He had a song with Fife Dog. I gigged on him at the end where he calls out every player one by one. And Manu Bull, Grandma Ma, and Greg Anthony. You should probably be playing that like in the background or something.

We get, I gigged on him. And, you know, but it's just one of those things. I'm sure a lot of these listeners out here remember Rockin' Jock. You remember Rockin' Jock? Fuck yeah. I mean, Tim Hardaway hitting the 25-point shot and all the different musicians who could play. Why do you think musicians and athletes want to be each other?

Do you think they see each other, like you just said, as a band reason, but like as individuals. Because you are filling a stadium and you are putting on a show in either one. And when they talked about George Mikan first coming

to Madison Square Garden, when the Minneapolis Lakers played, it literally said, George Mikan versus the Knicks. He was... Yeah. And the rest of his team was all dressed up

in suits. When Mike was on the Lakers? Before they became the Los Angeles Lakers. I'm about to school the Lakers genius over here. Oh, come on. That's why I'm the guru.

Anyway, let me take it back to a place that actually has lakes, Minneapolis. Oh, get the fuck out of here with this bullshit. So,

shouts to Minneapolis one time for actually having lakes. All right, Mr. Guru. This is... Okay. Talk to me. So, shouts to Minneapolis one time for actually having leaks. Alright, Mr. Guru. Talk to me. So, I can take you back there, but I'm going to. We can talk current. No, we're going to take it back there. Okay. You know players. You know how people play.

This is what I want you to do. You have a band. Five people. Bass, drums, guitar, lead singer, and then a horn section or a horn guy. Or a fiddle guy or a miscellaneous guy. Each guy has to be a basketball player, but they have to fit

the mentality of what a drummer needs to be, what a bass player needs to be, what a guitar player needs to be, and give me why. Alright, let's start with the backbone. Who's your drummer? And this is any time in history.

Any time in history. Any basketball player. But you need to know the mentality of the instrument. Your backbone. Who's your drummer? Or your drummer bass player. It's a duo because you need me and Potatoes. They got to be simpatico.

Okay. So I think if we're going to do this right, your drummer and bass player are going to be the original bad boys, Okay. So I think if we're going to do this right, your drummer and bass player are going to be the original bad boys, Rick Mahorn and Bill Lambier. And the reason being, they understood

what the objective was of the game. They could help work with star players. They would be completely in sync with each other. They brought a physical presence. And I think just

basically, I don't know, I just look at it like you want the equivalent of the big man in basketball. You want a couple of big men to be your drummer and your bass. And for them, I would definitely, I think that would be a good, I'm trying to think of like another kind of like twin tower situation. Maybe the runner up would be like a David Robinson and Tim Duncan when they play together on the Spurs, something like that. Some type of really good twin towers type of setup. So you can start it off right there. Who's your miscellaneous?

Who's like your horn player or your fiddle player or your fucking DJ or like the six man but he's just as important so he's got to have kind of a a unique style a unique flair for the game

that other players don't have and I'm going to go with Muggsy Bogues Muggsy? Yeah, Muggsy Bogues because Muggsy. Yeah. Muggsy Bogues is my sixth man because you look at Muggsy Bogues and you would never expect him to necessarily be able to hang with these seven foot players and these giant and amazing athletes. But he was able, he was smart enough, quick enough. And you know, the story with Muggsy Bogues is when he was in high school in Baltimore,

he played on a team with Reggie Lewis and Reggie Williams, two future NBA players, and they went undefeated in high school. And so it was like these recruiters got to see this 5'3 guy winning with NBA caliber players. And it kind of set up his career where he went to Wake Forest and he actually broke the record average, 13.3 assists per game. So look that up. So I want to just shout out Muggsy Bogues for defying odds, defying gravity and playing

in the NBA with such tall players. I feel like what an exciting, unique player. So I don't know. I want to give him a shout out. So he'd be on the team. Okay. Miscellaneous 5-1 Muggsy. I don't, I disagree on that, but this is your team. All right. Let's go to the lead guitar player. Lead guitar player. We have two guitar players? Just one, just one, just one. You get one guitar player. One guitar player. All right, this is, I'm thinking like a shooting guard, small forward type. This is the type of player who's going to go fill the stat sheet, score a lot of points. You're going to need them late in the game. Got to be tough.

You know what? I'm going to go. I could go with some of the all-time greats. Michael and Kobe come to mind at that position. Shout out to my man, Tracy McGrady, for 13 points in 37 seconds. One of my favorite sports videos of all time. But I'm going to come out of left field here.

Give me Reggie Miller. Reggie. At lead guitar. Just a consistent. He's a rock star. Every day, you know what he's going to do. He's going to work. You know, I think about the Keith Richards mold.

And you want a guy, you know, I think a slash. You want a guy who can talk some shit. You know what I mean? A guy who can hang. That, you know, when you see Reggie with those crazy eyes, you know, there's just something about that. I think your man Sean Echols when he gets those crazy eyes.

I just think about, give me Reggie Miller. He loves the big stage, loves the garden, loves New York City, you know what I mean? So, yeah, let's put Reggie at lead guitar. Give him a shout out. Alright, who's your alpha? Who's your lead singer? Who's that guy? You know, I believe that it's not about, you know, just the star.

You can't just plug any star into a team. I think it's all about how they work together, how they, you know, how they lead by example, how they're in the trenches and working together. So I'm trying to think of, to me, the consummate, instead of necessarily the star player, I want to think of the point guard of the team. You know what I mean? It's something like trying to think about let's go

a general. You want old school or new school? Ooh. Let's go... A general. You want old school or new school? It's your team, buddy. I'll let you know mine. Okay. So my point guard... Can you factor it all in?

Ooh. This is... I'm trying to start to think. Well, give me another position first. Let's go back to that. Okay. You got one more, though. Okay, what's that one?

You got a keyboard player. Okay, keyboard player. Or like... Yeah, keyboard player. Or like a rhythm guitar player. Someone who plays the... You know, who's got that mid. He's going to always consecutively give you...

You know, I think that Michael Jordan was always great to have these kind of guys around. I think the two best ever would be Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman. Those kind of guys. Michael didn't have a great record without Scottie in those games. Let's go with

Scottie Pippen. Who's your star? Let's laugh, bud. those games. So, you know, let's go with Scotty Pippen. All right. And then. Who's your star? Let's laugh, bud. And who's going to manage this fucking shit show? Okay. So the coach is the manager of this team.

So, you know, this really got me. But, you know, I'm going to just drop it on him. I'm going to go Dr. J as my lead singer. Dr. J as your lead singer. Yeah. I see that. I just think that he is funk, soul, street ball, ABA, NBA. I thought you were going to go Frazier.

You know I love my man Walt Clive Frazier and I got to give a shout out to people don't talk about they gave Willis Reed the MVP in 70

but you look back on it and you know Walt Frazier had the most incredible game 35.17 rebounds 7 steals

in game 7. So, shout outs to Walt Frazier. Maybe most incredible game, 35.17 rebounds, seven steals in game seven. So, shouts to Walt Frazier. Maybe he deserves to be on this team somewhere. I ended up going Dr. J because he was a star for the league. He inspired Michael Jordan and, you know, the high flying players that were to come. So, in a way, they, you know, they owe a piece of that to him. And I just think he was an amazing performer. And he brings that 70s funk and soul that we love. And he's got a fro like you, Frasco. Who's your coach?

Who's managing this fucking shit show? You know, I think that a guy like Popovich may be too abrasive for a team like this. He's got to be a manager. He's got to be slick. He's got to handle the biz. You's got to be slick. He's got to handle the biz. You know what I mean? This music biz.

So, you know, Pat Riley comes to mind, you know, but I think I got to take it back. A little known fact, Bill Russell was a player coach in the 69 NBA championship. A fucking Celtic. I'm going to go. Because to me, I feel like a manager, a good manager. He's a player coach. He's also in the band. He's playing percussion.

Bill Russell, 11-time champion. He's got to be on this team. So you get to have a player and a coach who's a consummate winner. I mean, if it's just on rings alone, nobody is the goat over Bill Russell, just so everybody understands that. This is fucking boring now.

I didn't pick a Laker. Now he's pissed. You know my squad? I think you're right. Cody Shaq, Magic, LeBron, and Contavious Caldwell-Pope. Michael Rappaport always says, it's a skinny gene gentrification of the NBA.

It's true. Ronnie Brewer was here when he was in the tough guy league, when people were fucking pushing people and shit. Bring back the hand check. Bring back the hand check. Derek Harper. Enjoy Ronnie Brewer's interview. We're going to talk more about this motherfucker

because you think you know everything. I'm going to get your ass. No, I know more than you. What's up? We're here. Fayetteville, Arkansas with Ronnie fucking Brewer, dude. What's up, man? How much?

How are you? Dude, thanks for doing this. You know, I'm a huge basketball fan. I followed your career. My buddy Dolov is one of the only people in L.A. who is a diehard jazz fan. Oh, yeah? And he followed your career those years, dude.

I want to talk. We got to talk basketball. I want to talk life in Fayetteville. I love Fayetteville. It's one of my favorite cities. And, you know, you went to college here. You grew up in Portland, right? No you know you went to college here you grew up in portland right no oh i was born in portland i grew up in fayetteville i've been oh really yeah

absolutely i i moved down here when i was you know three or four years old uh so i went through kindergarten through sixth grade at butterfield elementary seventh through ninth at woodland junior high and 10th through 12th at fayetteville High School and then signed at the University of Arkansas. Went there for three years, got drafted to Utah. So what was it like playing basketball, playing basketball in Fayetteville, in your hometown? You know, were you like the hometown hero as a basketball star in high school? Like, were you just banging on fools? Yeah, I mean, it was it was it was a good experience to play here. I think it was a lot of hype just because, you know,

the Razorbacks weren't that great at the time. Who was the coach? Nolan Richardson had just got fired, and they had brought in Stan Heath. And a lot of outside schools were coming into Fayetteville thinking that they could try to probably steal me since Arkansas's program was kind of down. Like what schools? Who was recruiting you?

Kansas was coming here often. Florida came here. Connecticut. North Carolina. Oklahoma. Oklahoma State. Damn. Like how would they?

I know it's like illegal to like bribe in a way but like what was like how how was the recruitment process like it was it was it was tough i mean i i think a lot of people who's played the game or any sport who's got recruited at a high level it's for sure a difficult decision, but I mean, it's kind of enjoyable, but difficult is kind of like the courting stage or the dating stage of a relationship because you love when everybody is trying to get your attention or get your services. All those schools were saying

what great programs they had, which they did, what great programs they had which they did what great players they had that played before me and what guys they were recruiting me so and their sales pitch is really really good but to me like being able to play in front of my friends and family be able to play where my dad played where my mom played where my sister ran track it was all-american here be able to follow their footsteps and play play somewhere that was close to home i mean favo high school and football arena is less than a mile away you can probably throw a basketball or baseball and hit the buildings so you know it made an easy decision um but i you know the process was phenomenal because whenever i played and after

i signed with arkansas you know teams would boo me the first quarter, but second, third, and fourth quarter, they'd call the hogs every time I scored. So it was just really a cool experience. So why were they booing you? Because I averaged like 30 points a game. You're repping these fools, dude. So they were kind of mad at first. You know, I was picking on their team a little bit.

But, you know, they were very respectable. And, you know, by the end of the game, cheered for you because you won them over and you weren't a bad sport. You weren't cocky. Very humble. I'm a very humble guy. Didn't play cheap. Didn't get those cheap shots or talk crap to the crowd.

Just played really, really hard and tried to dunk as many balls as I could and try to put the ball in the basket as many times as I could and play defense. Who was the biggest shit talker in college? In college? That made pro. College that made pro? Man, I think Glenn, Big Baby Davis.

Yeah. You know, I played against him in SEC. At LSU? At LSU, and he had Brandon Bass on his team. And those guys talked a lot of crap. But, you know, playing against that Florida team that went back-to-back national championships with, you know, Joe Kim Noah and Alford and Corey Brewer and Torian Green, a couple other guys. You know, Joe Kim Noah talked a lot of crap. Yeah, yeah, I bet. And, you you know we were lucky to beat him at home

but they went on to win the national championship that year but you couldn't shut him up on the court in college you couldn't shut him up on the court in the nba but when you're playing against him you hate him but when you're on the same team you love him because you know you go to war for him and yeah and play as hard as you possibly can for him. Yeah, you got a bunch of fucking goons on that Chicago squad. You had Boozer, you had Joakim, you had Dang, who was in his prime. In his prime was a stud. It was an all-star.

You had Derrick Rose, who won the MVP. Yeah, what a year to be in Chicago. Two years, or what was it? We had really good teams the years I was there. Both years, we thought we were going to, you know, win the championship. You know, the first year we lost to Miami in the conference finals.

And then the second year, D. Rose tears his ACL. Kind of been downhill from here. Were you there for that? Yeah. What was it like in the locker room when he tore down? It was so crazy to, like, because, because i mean i remember just like it was yesterday um you know i had got subbed out and we were kind of up a little bit so i mean he could could have and should not have he should and should not have been in the game uh he was already banged up well we were already up we already had the game sealed

so it's not like the sixers could have came back and beat us um you know d rose goes down there does that acrobatic play lands wrong you know falls down uh grabs his knee i mean you could have heard a pin drop and it was a it was a whole nba game going on still because he got hurt after shooting a shot and they still went back on they went the opposite direction but it's like times like uh stood still yeah you know it was silent in there and everybody was just looking down there i think we ended up fouling them uh to stop the play and all the trainers ran down there and half our team was almost at half court to go help try to pick them up like but what's going on with our star player everyone knew we thought we, dang, he twisted his knee or he strained something. He'll be back in game, you know, if not game two,

we'll have him by game three or four or five if it goes that far because we can beat the Sixers. And to go in that locker room and, like, see his face, how much pain he was in, like, like you kind of knew like that. He had to go to, after that, he had to go to the hospital, but you knew seeing his face that it wasn't good. And that, that something major happened. And a couple of us went out to eat dinner after the game.

And we all got a group Texas message at the same time. And like, by the time I read mine, I looked up and I could see like, you know, Lou Alding's head dropped and Todd Gibson's head dropped and Jimmy Butler's head dropped. And I'm like, oh, this can't be real life. Oh, my God. So because Thibs has a way of playing his players too many minutes. Yeah, that's a thing.

He does that a lot, even in Minnesota now. A thing that he gets tabbed for. But at the same time, I think to me, I think it's a it's a. Kind of pat on the back to the guys that he's given those minutes to, because he feels that. He feels that you put the work in, that you deserve those minutes. Yeah. And, you know, I remember Luau Ding led the NBA in minutes per game. But if you saw the preparation Luau put in to become the player he was, the all-star he was, playing under Tibbs, he's like, man, he deserves those minutes. He played extremely hard, worked really hard on his game. And then you look at Minnesota and you look at a guy like Jimmy Butler.

And when he was at Chicago, Jimmy Butler, and Carl Anthony Towns in Minnesota, and Andrew Wiggins. Those guys play a ton of minutes, but he feels like they put the work in, and they deserve to be on the court. So it's a testament to their hard work and Tibbs believes in those guys. What's the difference between being coached by Jerry Sloan and Thibodeau? Man, golly. Both of those guys were hard asses. Yeah, that's what I hear.

Man, both phenomenal coaches. Both their attention to detail was so critical as far as, you know, and it's kind of weird because it's kind of night and day because Jerry Sloan used to be like. What were the practices like? Yeah. Our practices, both practices, I didn't have one practice that went over two hours. They're always anywhere from an hour to an hour and 30 minutes.

But in that hour and 30 minutes, the practices were night and day. So with Coach Sloan, he would just tell us to run every set run autos so he wanted your offense to be like a weld oil machine that it doesn't matter what the defense does and what they throw it is if we run our stuff better than they defend it we're gonna uh win the battle yeah night in night out so we would come in run our plays full speed, every option, every counter, every practice, from exhibition preseason to the final practice at the end of the season going into the playoffs. Same practice, same routine. Kind of very Buddhist in a way.

Everywhere, attention to detail. Then you go look at Tibbs at Chicago. attention to detail. Then you go look at Tibbs at Chicago, like his attention to detail on defense was, you know, we started to practice out all defensive drills. We were 30 minutes in before practice before we even touched the basketball. So we worked on tons of defensive drills to make sure our defense was so on point that, hey, if we defend better than they can execute their offense, it doesn't matter who they have on our team, we're going to shut it down. And if we prepare better than they prepare,

we're always going to win. So it was a kind of night and day thing, but they both were super, like, super, like, critical of running their sets and how they did things. And it kind of built your basketball IQ because it made you study a lot more. And, you know, in Utah, when I was with Jerry Sloan, more to offense. And when I went to Chicago, it was more to defense. Yeah, because I feel like Fibs is all about defense.

Yeah. I mean, if you look at the last 20 to 30 years, I don't think that Tibbs has been on a team or coached a team that finished outside the top 10 in defensive ratings. I mean, you can go back to when he was assistant with the Knicks in the early 90s, you know, with the Rockets, with Yao Ming and Trace McGrady. And to the Boston Celtics, the Chicago Bulls, Timberwolves. I mean, you can look at all these teams that he's been a part of, and he's always been that guy whose attention to detail on defense has been really, really high.

Oh, my God. I want to talk about the Jazz years. Karolinko. Yeah. Guy's a goon, too. Yeah. Were you there when – were you on the team when Baron Davis banged on Karolinko? Yeah.

What was that? Oh, my God. What happened there? That was kind of Yeah. What was that? Oh, my God. What happened there? So that was kind of crazy because that was my rookie year and a lot was going on that year because Derek Fisher has twin girls and one of them got a cancer in her eye.

They had to have... Derek's? Derek's twin daughters, yeah, had something cancerous on her eye. She had to have emergency surgery in New York. So he was away from the team. And that series was really big for him because, you know, before he came to Utah, he was with the Golden State Warriors.

And they got rid of him, and we got him at Utah. And then Dallas Mavericks was the number one seed, and the Warriors beat him as the eighth seed and you know everybody was like well you know the Jazz is there a four or five seed they're gonna get crushed by the Warriors because the Warriors just beat the number one team uh that team was studly they were they were they were a really tough hard-nosed group. I mean, Stephen Jackson, Baron Davis, Jason Richardson, Andres Biedrans. Monster. It was a ton of guys.

Harrington was on that team, too? Yeah, Harrington was on the team. Oh, my God. Azabuki, Kellen Azabuki was on the team. It was a lot of good guys. Matt Barnes was on the team. Oh, yeah.

Damn. I think it was Monte Ellis on the team. Monte Ellis was on the team but um oh yeah damn i think um was monte ellis on the team monte ellis was yeah he was yeah he was on the team young um yeah so you know fish wanted to win that series so bad because they got rid of him and you know now he was in utah and yeah san francisco oakland is way different than salt lake city so he's like man i I really want to put on him, put it on him. And then his daughter had you know to have a good team out there they really really supported us um but you know that's probably the loudest arena i've ever been in when they showed on the jumbotron fish coming in the fourth quarter off a private plane walking into the arena in like a superman shirt and some jeans everybody was like wait we're looking up it's like that

feels like what is he doing back so like he wasn't supposed to be back for a while and you know he comes he comes running on the court jersey on comes out and hits one of the biggest threes i've ever seen uh to win us that you know first um game in in utah And then to go to Golden State, Baron Davis has that massive dunk on Andre Karlenko. It was a huge poster that everybody remembers. And not only was it real bad that he dunked on him and raised his shirt up to show he had a bad back, had a back brace on,

but the next game after he done't talk all that shit to him and yelled in his face and screamed and everybody's going crazy in in oakland uh we have to warm up the next day and they've got 20 000 posters in each chair of the dunk that happened the game before and so i was like i was like oh man man is going to hate this when he sees this. Because the younger guys were some of the first people out. And I was like, there's no way we can run and take all these posters off these chairs. And so we came up with an idea. We just need to get these posters, a poster, and take it to him before he comes out and be like,

hey, AK, we're just letting you know, this is what their poster night poster is. And, you know, he got all mad. He was like, okay, I'm going to have to show him. I'm going to have to redeem myself and get a block and stare somebody down or something like that. And that's how he was. He was so fearless. Like, yeah, I got dunked on real bad one time,

but, you know, you do it 10 more times, I'm going to block at nine. Yeah. And I'm not going to do it with any fear. So that was just the type of guy he was. Damn. It is halftime at the Enni Fresco interview hour. Here's a quick message from the UN.

Welcome back to review. This is Ari Finling. Today I'm reviewing Blue Bloods. Now, I don't know what happens when you turn 60, but the only fucking thing that you care about is Blue Bloods. Now, I don't know what happens when you turn 60, but the only fucking thing that you care about is Blue Bloods. My mother could not give a shit about my entire life, but she calls me three days a week to break down this week's episode of Blue Bloods. It's not the Bible, okay? I get it. Tom Selleck is real hot. People want mustache rides. It's got Donnie Wahlberg. Who's my third favorite Wahlberg, but just shut up about blue

blood. Stop talking about it. Like you're trying to convert people to Scientology. This may be directed just at my mother, but whatever. Fuck Grey's Anatomy. Fuck Blue Bloods. Fuck Madonna. And fuck Westworld. Fuck Westworld. You ever get banged on so hard, you're like, oh shit. Man, I tell people,

if you play in the NBA, there's a good chance you're going to accidentally get dunked on a lot. And it's not intentional, it just happens. And there's been times where I thought I got a rebound and LeBron James cut it off the rim and dunked it, or Gerald Wallace, or Vince Carter. I've had centers like Tyson Chandler act like like they're gonna catch a lob and then dunk on

me and I'm like oh like I wouldn't even try to block you dude like I was just trying to be in my area so when we watch film they can't be like Ronnie you weren't in your area but you know you got seven footers seven foot one guys are they trying to disrespect you no no not and it's not it's to the point like it's like some guys are, but for the most part, like, guys are just athletic and making plays. And they kind of look like they kind of give you the eye contact, like, man, I'm about to come in here. So, like, don't try to hurt me and let me go or don't try to block me. But, you know, that's what a lot of guys just get paid to do is to go up there and contest shots and block shots. And that's what they're known for.

So they're very fearless. And so they'll go up there and try to attempt to block anything. And that's when you see a lot of posters when guys get paid to block shots. You sometimes miss them. Isn't it the difference now between then and now is the social media? It's like now if you're on skates yeah if you're getting banged on yeah you're getting roasted by everybody back then it was well back then you know social media wasn't as popular you know yeah i think i think facebook was out there and twitter was you know uh picking up

uh its traction when instagram wasn't that popular, it was a little bit, but not a whole lot. Not as much as it is now. And, you know, as people look to Instagram and see if something happens. But, you know, if you were on SportsCenter, that was a big thing. Like, oh, dude, I saw you on SportsCenter

and you were getting crossed over and you failed. Or you got dunked on SportsCenter. Like, that's crazy. And I saw you on the morning show. They were talking about your game. Now it's like, okay, if you're not on national TV, oh, no big deal. You got all these phones that, oh, you got crossed over.

Well, we're not on national TV, nobody saw it. No, it's going to be going viral because everybody's tweeting it, retweeting it, putting it on Instagram, putting it on Facebook and talking about it on podcasts or whatever. So it's a lot different these days and i feel like now people got a lot harder because one on the court stuff if you get schooled on the court it's going to be right there on mainstream and then especially if you do stuff off the court it's going to be everywhere before anything actually really happens so who are the biggest talk talkers in the NBA? Oh, man, that's easy.

By far, by far, Kevin Garnett. By far. Like, that's a no-brainer. It's not even questionable. Rasheed Wallace. I think Gilbert Arenas was a huge talker i think kobe bryant was a huge talker um i'd say now it'd be somebody like draymond green yeah jaymond green uh talks a lot to people it's hard to talk now because everyone's mic'd up right yeah yeah but you know

it shows the people who really talk because they don't care if they're mic'd up, right? Yeah, yeah. But, you know, it shows the people who really talk shit because they don't care if they're mic'd up. They're like, I'm not going to change who I am because I have a mic on. I'm not going to sugarcoat anything.

And to me, that's what makes Draymond Draymond. Yeah. Because I'm like, well, Draymond's not shying away from the media. He's not shying away while he's on the court.

Yeah. He's not shying away while he's on the court. He's not shying away when he's doing stuff during the parade. He's not shying away on Instagram, on Twitter, on Facebook. He's going to be the same person all the time. And to me, that's what makes people show their true colors and show that they're genuine, that they don't change for people. They're always going to be who they are. That's great, man. All right.

Who's the toughest defender? Toughest defender? Toughest person to guard. Both. Toughest defender? Man, I think Tony Allen is one of the toughest guys because he's tough. Did you play with him in Memphis? No.

I left and signed with the Bulls the year he came. But he's tough as nails. Played against him a lot. Played against him a lot. Played against him in college. Super tough. Were you mostly playing small forward? I played shooting guard and small forward. Okay.

So, you know. So they weren't stretching to power forward just to get some threes in there? I got to guard some. Like what, smaller power forwards or what? Yeah. Well, then, like, you know, it wasn't, back then, it wasn't a lot of stretch fours that were, like, popping out there and shooting threes. It was, like, mid, like, high post, kind of to the three-point area. And I can guard them.

And if they weren't, like, you know, 6'10", 6'11", if they went in the post, I could guard them if they're, like, 6'8", 6'9". Yeah. Even if they had a weight advantage on me, I was able to get low center of gravity and be able to stop them from ducking me in in the post. But let's see what other defenders are really, really good. Chris Paul's a really, really good defender. Plays the passing lanes, gets a lot of steals. Rondo.

LeBron James is a good defender. Kobe Bryant's a good defender. Kawhi Leonard's a phenomenal defender. Kawhi Leonard's a phenomenal defender. Draymond Green's a phenomenal defender. Jimmy Butler and Klay Thompson, they're all, to me, some of the toughest guys to play on defense. They also play both ends of the floor. So that's a lot of respect that a lot of people can't do that.

You're the defender now. Who's like, I had him, and he's still just shitting on me. Kobe by far. Yeah. I mean, I used to watch film. We'd be in the film room, and I'd probably, you know, I'd cut off his main, his go-to move. He'd counter.

I'd cut it off. He'd counter again, cut it off. And then he'd do like a fadeaway, falling out of bounds and make it. And I'd be like, well, I mean. What can you do? I can't. I can't. If you want me to draw, do that 10 out of 10 times,

that's the way I would give him the fin. And, yeah, he made that shot. But if I guard anybody else, I mean, they're going to miss that 10 out of 10 times. Yeah. But for him, he practiced those type of shots night in, night out. No matter how great a defense you did, it was just if he missed that night yeah because he got to his spots every time he got the shot off every time and he doesn't look like he's like super jacked but like he's super strong where you know he bumps you gets you a little space and then gets to the place where he wants

to get to that's insane man, I want to talk about that. You've been on how many teams? One, two, three, four, five, six? Six teams. What is it like? You know, it's like, do you get this, like, category of being a journeyman? Like, what's that feeling? Is it hard to, like, live in a town?

Well, at first, people were like, oh, he's a journeyman, until you actually really see a journeyman who's like, oh, man, he's been on six teams. That guy's been on like 10 or 11, 12 or 13 or 14. You've had such a long career. Yeah, and so it's different. It makes you know that it is a game, but it's still a business and a job. And so you realize that because if you know, if you would have asked me, you know, Ronnie, what's the, what's the team you're going to retire on? I would have said

Utah Jazz every night because, you know, the relationship I had with the owner who passed away, Larry H. Miller, the relationship I had with the players, the relationship I had with the coach, you know, it was just the perfect fit for me you know coach sloan has been tied was a hard nose guy in the nba and he was like hey i want you to be that guy and i was like man you know i came from a place that you know we don't have a professional team and we don't have a lot of guys that make it out of fayetteville so i knew it was a blessing to be there and i was like man i'll do anything you tell me to do to stay here. And he told me, hey, I know you led the SEC in scoring, but we got all these guys who are all-stars and making all this money

who can score the basketball, and none of them can play defense like you. And I want you to be our defensive stopper, and we'll pay you money, and you'll start. It was a no-brainer for me. Were you starting shooting guard for Jazz? Yeah, I was. I was starting shooting guard for them. for me so uh but you're starting student guard for jazz yeah i was i was starting shooting guard for them and um do you feel that he sloan is your one of your biggest mentors as a coach yeah i

think him and tibbs for sure tibbs tibbs tibbs is is that father figure and coach sloan that was That was super hard on you, but didn't know how to show that he appreciated your hard work because he didn't want to let everybody know that he had a soft spot. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, he was tough on you, but then he was like, man, you know, I gave you that look and that nod that, man, I appreciate you doing your job yeah coming to do your job tonight and i hey hey guys ronnie came and did his job tonight and walk out the room not saying that everybody else didn't come do their job that's not what he's saying but you know took that challenge on okay you know kobe ryan's averaging 30 points a game and you know ronnie helped 24. you know the night before he had 40. So he did his job. Not saying that you can stop Kobe Bryant

because Kobe Bryant averaged 30 points a game his whole career, if not more. Almost sometimes close to 40. So it's not going to be like, oh, shut him down to zero points. That's never going to happen. But if you can make him take tough shots and make him work on it,

work on both ends of the floor, you came and did your job that day. And that's what I focused on and what I really enjoyed about being in the NBA is, you know, it is a family and that, you know, it's a business that a lot of people come in, a lot of people go out. And for you to be there more than three or four years is a testament of your skill set. man you're killing it so like what is it like to be basically like you're working you're working you're working are you always fighting

for like your your starting position or yeah it's like what's what's the biggest stress in the locker room it's a super weird relationship and a lot of people can't relate to it because it's a family atmosphere because you're around each other so much you probably can relate because you're in a band and you're around people so much all the time well what you probably can't relate to is that that person does the same thing you do. And even though you are best friends, he wants your job and wants you out of there. That's super competitive. Yeah, and even though y'all go out to eat together,

y'all go to the movies together, y'all are best friends, but if you get hurt and they give you, then that him your spot, cause you got hurt and he plays better than you, now you're in his position, you're the yeah and and a lot of people that breaks them um and it's it's hard for a lot of people to put the team first because at the end of the day you want to make the most money you can by the time you're there and that means putting up numbers starting and being um an impact on the team. So, you know, it's a tough dynamic because you want to be friends and be cool

and be, you know, happy-go-lucky in the team atmosphere, but you still got to remember that, hey, this guy's trying to take my spot, you know, and you might be, you know, my age, 33. They draft a guy who's 21 you got to know well this guy's work gonna work twice as hard so i've got to do three times as hard because he's trying to come from my spot and you got to still maintain a level of competitive competitiveness and your skill set uh to still um get that starting position. Yeah, it's crazy, man. Dwight's another journey-style player.

I'm trying to figure that out because all those players, once you get to rap as you're playing on different teams, it always happens every year? I don't know. As a player,

you can't really think about that. It's a business. All you can think about is I've got to come to work, do my job, do the best of my ability. Because once it happens the first time, you're like, man, it's not going to happen again. Like, you know, if you sign with a team in free agency like Dwight did, you know, he left Orlando and signed with Houston.

Or did he sign with the Lakers at first? Houston. Then went to Lakers. Yeah. One year. So I'm like, okay, well, you know, that's a decision. But when you get traded, it's like, man, like, I didn't want to come here. I didn't want to do that. And so it's, you know, it's kind of like a business thing.

Like, you know, they didn't want me here, and they wanted me to get out of there. And, you know, it is what it is, and it's unfortunate. But, you know, I just hate it that people are coming out and saying, like, oh, Dwight's a cancer. He's not a good teammate. And I played with Dwight for a year when I was in Houston. And I've been around him. Great guy? Man, he was a great guy.

He was a great guy. Granted, and I think a lot of superstar players do that. Whenever they get upset, they tend to go to management. They tend to go to, you know, front office, the coaches. But a lot of people do that when they're unhappy. And so. Especially stars, right? And, you know, when he's not getting the ball a lot,

which, again, it goes back to, you know, social media and what it is today because, you know, if Dwight's not averaging 20-something points a game and 10 rebounds, he's a bust. You know what I'm saying? Because he was supposed to be the next Shaquille O'Neal, and he's supposed to be the next most dominant big man. And he gets a real bad rap. Like, Dwight last year, he averaged, what, like, 16 and 12 or 18 and 12?

Those are real good numbers. Great numbers. And, you know, a couple blocks, a couple steals. Like, you would want him on any team. Yeah. And when he was at the Lakers, they were like, oh, he was such a bad player. And he averaged eight. He was hurt.

Yeah, he had the torn labrum. But he still averaged like 18 and 10. Yeah. 18 and 12. I was like, I would have loved a big man to do that and block shots on my team. But they were like, oh, he didn't do enough. He's a bad teammate. I'm like, man, I just want to see him go to it,

which I'm happy that he went to the Wizards because it's not going to be as much pressure on him. You got John Wall can use the pick and roll, throw lobs to him. Bradley Beal can do the same thing. There's a lot of guys around where he doesn't have to be the man but can play and be happy and rebound and dunk and run the floor and win games and you know i honestly thought he was going to sign with the warriors because i was like man you need some guys to be um in a locker room that's always positive yeah happy to be working they're happy to be on the same team and and i think that

like even like demarcus cousin i think they're going to change him and and and make him into happy dude reinvent him is not being a bad teammate yeah not being an uncontrollable um so you think that's good for the league so i think this the center's i mean the league is changing so much that the center has to shoot a three now right to spread the court or if you're going to compete with them so. A guy like Dwight or a guy like Andre. I see Andre. He's working on that three every day on Instagram. It's just like they focus in on do you think that's affecting

the game? Not having a big man that does anything? That could spread the floor? I think it depends on your personnel. Because I think it depends on your personnel. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people are like, oh, let me play like the Warriors.

Well, you don't have to play like the Warriors. If you play, what best benefits your team. And if that means, hey, I need to throw the ball in the paint, I need to slow it down, I need to speed it up, do that. Because if a team is playing the Warriors, you can't play their style of play because they have the personnel to fit their style of play. You got a guy like Dwight or Dearcus cousins or anthony davis you got to throw the ball inside and make them stop

you yeah and then you have to get some defenders who can lock down on defense and get a stop not oh we're going to try to shoot out shoot the doors because you're not going to out shoot steph he's one of the best shooters in the nba you're not going to out-shoot Steph. He's one of the best shooters in the NBA. You're not going to out-shoot Klay, one of the top shooters in the NBA. You're not going to out-shoot Kevin Durant, one of the best seven-foot shooters of all time. And then Draymond knocks down some shots every once in a while. Andre Goddard

knocks down some shots every once in a while. The bigs think like, oh, well, because they're shooting so many threes, I got to shoot it. Well, no, you don't have to. It's a positive that's in your game. But I guarantee you that Steve Kerr is not going to be like, hey, DeMarcus, I want you to shoot at least four to five threes a game. He's going to be like, when you're back healthy, we're going to throw the ball inside and go to work because you can't get double teamed. If you get double teamed if you get double team you have shooters around

you uh it's probably gonna be the only time in your career that you have this where you're never gonna get double teamed throughout your career but i don't think they're starting five ruin the nba because 29 other teams gms had the opportunity to draft players and to build teams around them had the opportunity to draft players and to build teams around them. You also have the option to talk to your owner if you're willing to spend money to go in the salary cap. I mean, there's teams like the Thunder who were so much over the salary cap

that they basically had to throw and get rid of people. And teams back in the day like the Knicks or the Lakers or Chicago, they were spending money, but sometimes they didn't win the championship. It's because, you know, the GM's got to get the right fit. It's kind of like a puzzle. You got to put the pieces together and to make the bigger picture. So I don't think they ruined the game. I just think the GM's are actually going to have to do a better job and earn their money to create teams to counter what the Warriors got in place already.

Ronnie, you said it all. I like this, man. I could talk basketball with you all day. It's great. So what are you working on? One last thing. Are you working with the Warriors now? Are you on the G League team?

No, I was with them last. I'm not with them now. You know, I'm right now investing in a few things, trying to be an entrepreneur, working with my Ronnie Brewer Foundation and still running basketball camps here in Fayetteville, Northwest Arkansas, and throughout the state of Arkansas. And, you know, we have a TBT,

the basketball tournament coming up in New York with the Arkansas alumni team. I'm playing with that. And maybe, you know, next year, go overseas. I'm trying. I've never been overseas and played. So maybe try to travel and play overseas and give it one more try. I heard China's giving out money, man. Yeah, for sure. Ronnie, thanks, man. So much, man. Appreciate you. Thank you, bud. Andy, it's Eddie. I know you said not to have the money anymore but i really really need you to send like 500 to an account that i'm going to text you in the next five hours like really um no questions asked um just do that please uh love you uh hope to see you next week

Love you. Hope to see you next week. Fucking asshole! Asshole! I watch your stupid videos and you think you fucking play barefoot? It makes you cool? It makes you stupid. I hope you step on a fucking piece of glass and rip your fucking foot open! Bring your fucking hole! I'll fucking eat you eat y'all! Now, a message from the UN. Drunk and fool Don't let the chips Get you down Pick up that guitar

And rock the fuck out Rock and roll Ain't pretty But it's pretty fucking cool Here we are Great episode Great interview Great hanging out with you buddy

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