Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 202: Rayland Baxter

Episode Date: January 17, 2023

*Call us & leave a message to appear on the show: [phone] No topic is out of bounds...* Woodland retreats, mustache cash stashes, and eerily prescient dreams abound in this week's episode. Also: Nick talks hot on the physics of energy (neither created nor destroyed, people), and Andy considers the merits of scheduling your blackouts on a shared google calendar.. But on the Interview Hour we got the best interview of the year (so far) with Nashville hot guy, Rayland Baxter! Super emotional content you won't want to miss; and while you're at it, why not catch this would-be butterfly near you: www.raylandbaxter.com And don't forget to catch the band in a town near you andyfrasco.com/tour Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy Frasco & The U.N. (Feat Little Stranger)'s new song, "Oh, What A Life" on iTunes, Spotify  Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker

Hey guys, it's Andy. Hope you guys are kicking ass out there. It's gonna be a great week. We already feel it. It's gonna be a great week for everybody. Speaking of a great week, we found out we got back Repsy.com. They are back in the mix and I'm just gonna say hell yeah. This episode is sponsored by Repsy.com, one of the best online booking agencies to do it. If you don't have an agent, it's okay because you have Repsy.com to help you with all your needs. Go sign up for Repsy.com if you're a band, a cheerleader, a line dancer,

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Wow. And we're back. You can tell we have a hot tall guy on the pod today but i know we've we are on fire right now we are we're working so much harder than all of you at your job no don't say that eight hours a day during some we're like we talk so andy frasco's world saving podcast i'm andy frasco how you doing out there how's your heads how's your minds are you staying out of the darkness that they call anxiety the days are getting longer though they are i feel good even though i've been going to bed at eight o'clock

doesn't really matter that's good for you i think i love it nick gerlach my co-host should have been maybe like a third grade teacher or something i really do i think you know i i really do think my retirement plan is to have an early morning talk show. Yeah. I like that. I like the six to 10. Sort of like... Be the first thing you guys hear in the morning. I don't know if that's creepy.

Hello. Hi. I'm sad. Hi. How you doing today? This is Andy Frasco's morning show. Jesus Christ. What a creep.

Trying to go to work. I sell insurance. Stop it. Oh, man. Great week. How's your week been? Oh, pretty Christ. What a creep. Trying to go to work. I sell insurance. Stop it. Oh, man. Great week. How's your week been? Oh, pretty good. Pretty good.

Pretty good. Yeah, you feeling good? Been keeping busy, I feel like. How was the private? The private gig? Mm-hmm. That was fun. I always like private gigs.

It was me and Isaac Teal and DJ and Paris. So funny. We were playing like Justin Timberlake songs, like late 90s and early 2000s R&B, which slaps. Only in Denver you get just a fucking slamming band like that in all these different bands it's cool though i like that and it's like i like that too because you don't have to rehearse right everybody already knows their you don't have to worry about it yeah and they're all in jam bands so like if they only if you only know seven songs you could stretch those yeah yeah these were a little less jam many guys you had to really know your shit. There's like four background singers and everything.

Speaker 2. So it was like a real corporate gig. Yeah. I was like, I was like that. It was still some corporate party. I don't know. They had a peanut butter and jelly bar. Really? I just like, you know how when people cut you like the pork roast at a wedding, it was like that, but it was like wonder bread and different jelly and peanut butter. I love it. I like it too. I love it. Yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah. I'm, yeah, I'm feeling good. I had a good weekend. I went out, I blacked out. Yeah. I was, I saw you. I was there. Remember? Oh yeah. You tried to get me to go to new conscious with you. And I, I don't really go there unless I'm working. It's just, it's too late for me. Yeah. I, um, I was like, I was just

like, I I'm picking my days to black out now. Like I'm not like blacking out every day now. I'm like, I told myself Saturday I will black out and like, I'll sleep all week, but Saturday's my night. I saw it on your Google calendar. Let's go. Like interview, interview, interview. I like it. It feels good because like I can pick my day that I'm just going to trash myself. I'm not trashing every day where I get depleted.

Right. I like how it's either go to bed at eight or blackout and don't go to bed. You told me we were talking about something like, I was like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed.

I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my way to bed. I'm like, I'm on my to trash myself. I'm not trashing every day where I get depleted. I like how it's either go to bed at eight or blackout and don't go to bed. You told me we were talking about something like, I was like, I'm on a parlay. It was like Sundays. Like Andy go to fucking bed. I did. I was like, go to bed, dude. This is

me telling you to go to bed. I never, I'm an insomniac. I just can't do the super late Sundays. I always write my trivia show. so I can't be all hung over. It's never as good if I do that. Yeah. That was nice. I saw the Lakers get destroyed by the Denver Nuggets and I got to see the last half of your show, which was fucking popping. I think my Monday weekly show is pretty fun for a Monday weekly. Yeah. And Yacht Club is a perfect environment for that. I love that place.

Yeah. I like the Yacht Club. Shout out to Yacht Club in Denver. Great drink. Yeah. It's good you know while we're talking about local denver businesses we might as well talk about our boys doubting gummies yes they just sent me a plethora of world save the world saving batch and i yeah this is my first time because i've been on tour i haven't been able to taste them i'm stoked i was worried about the lemon because i'm not really a lemony guy. Oh, you're not, not really in candy. I love lemon, but it's done. It's like a lemon cello, which is, I like, yeah, it's not sour. It's more just like, yeah,

yeah. I like it. And then the grape too. So it's purple and yellow grape and lemon cello. Get it guys. Hey, so grab yourself some doubting gummies, but Keith to told me they're sold out completely for the month. Yeah. That's how we do it. Yeah. We move, put our name on something. Sales go up. Yeah. We sold out. I can't believe it. Let's go. We're in the weed business. We might have some new sponsors coming. I've heard. Yeah, we do. I can't talk them on yet. We have some very exciting things in store for the world saving podcast. Speaking of one of them is Raylan Baxter. Oh my God. You don'taxter oh my god I don't actually know much about him but I know that he's 6'5 and good looking

that's all I need to know he's hot as fuck he's a great songwriter D1 lacrosse player he was going to be on that team that Duke team that raped no he didn't remember hold on

what happened there they were accused of it. And it turned out that she was, they got, it's made up. They got screwed very hard. And a lot of them lost their whole season. There's a great 30 for 30 about it. Oh, oh, so that didn't happen. No. Oh, that would have been so fucked up for Ray. If he was on that team. Yeah. Oh my God. I mean, it's still fucked a lot of them over like in their coach lost his job, stuff like that. But so it turns out that they were not, they did not do what they were accused of doing. I don't remember every single detail, so I don't want to like, you know, well shout to Raylan for picking the other college. Yeah. The other D one college in lacrosse. Yeah.

Good job. So fucked up. Think about about how much that would have ruined your life. And you're a college kid, and you're just trying to... And like, oh man, that'd be fucked up. They were probably... I'm sure they made some bad choices along the way, but I don't think they broke any laws. You know what I mean? And this interview is really intense

because he finally goes public. He's talking publicly about his father's death. Oh, right. His dad's a very famous music or you know yeah steel player yeah and stories he was telling me was giving me chills because they they're so real and i'll say one yeah um the day that his dad died the night before or the night during he died right his dad was in ray's dream whoa and ray was saying his dad was saying hey man i'm dead i wonder i wonder how that's crazy it's like don't be calm be cool i'm just letting you know that i've passed on to the next next life and ray woke up the text messages of his of his saying, hey, Bucky died.

That's insane. That's fucking insane. I've heard of other people having similar experiences. I just wonder what that could possibly be. Think about that shit. That's all telepathic. That means we're all energy sources. Well, we can't really be sources.

Our souls are energy sources. Sure, I guess. Energy can neither be created or destroyed, so we can't really be a source are energy souls Sure, I guess Energy can either be created or destroyed So we can't really be a source of it But I know what you're saying I love when you talk hot I love when you start talking spicy like that Nick's been reading books again

I have been reading I've been reading a ton lately And it's really been helping me mentally I got in a really bad rut there After Christmas What happened? ton lately and it's really been helping me mentally yeah i got in a really bad rut there like after christmas yeah what happened no gigs for if i don't have a gig for three weeks no it is i you always get sad during this time of year i do yes all right i believe you yeah not my time of year i first of all i hate the seasonal depression thing yeah me too that fucks me up

the sun going on at 4 30 is not good for me because I I'm gonna you stay up all night I'm already up late I mean I get up early enough but you know I wasn't really gigging a ton that time of year is not super good if you're a side man I hate that I like to be gigging I like to be out there you know and then uh I don't know I'm finally waking up from my post-tour depression I noticed yeah and I started reading books and I kind of get my mind more and instead of being online, just looking at everybody's stupid thoughts that are just dumb and someone else's thought

that they just are rehashing in their own words. I've been a lot happier not going on Facebook or Instagram lately. Yeah, Facebook is a garbage dump of losers. Don't say that. Come on. There's a lot of people on Facebook who are nice. Yeah, but that doesn't mean they're not losers.

Come on, stop. I'm with names. Yeah, but that doesn't mean they're not losers. Come on. Stop. I'm on Facebook. I rule at Facebook, unfortunately. I just read a whole book about serial killers. It was really good. Profilers. Profiles? Oh, you know the show Mindhunter on Netflix? It's actually an older book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I read the book of that. Wow.

It's good. God. Look at you just reading. These people can go look at crime scenes look at what the guy did like let's say he came in here and he just looked at your room he could be like okay he's 35 he drives this he is like this he works like they can tell like what kind of job you have if you're single or not just by how you killed someone do you think that'd be annoying if you're dating that type of person. Oh, they're always like over judging. There's no, yeah. Their whole thing is like friends analyzing, like they're analyzing your relationship. They probably, you probably like have first days like, Oh, well she's going to be good in marriage and then she's going to have kids, but then she's going to

get acne. And that seems like she definitely has a problem with her mother. You know what I mean? They can tell, like they can look at a crime scene and be like, Oh, his doesn't, his mom beat him. Really dude Dude, it's just wild. I love that shit. The guy that wrote it, like, literally came up with the term serial killer. There was not a term serial killer until he did with the other guy. I love that shit. That's my type.

I get high off that shit. Yeah, it's a great book. Actually, I listened to it, to be fair. It was an audio book. Not technically reading, but. Wow. Yeah. This is great.

Yeah. I love reading. I read a book about relationships. You did? That's good. Yeah. What about them? Are they good or reading. I read a book about relationships. You did? That's good. Yeah. What about them? Are they good or bad at the end of the book?

I can't tell. I don't fucking know. I just got that same talent book. I'm going to read that too. Oh, cool. Yeah. I started watching Andrew Santino. I liked it.

It wasn't... I didn't... All I really want to watch is Ari Shaffir's Jew. So good. Yeah. I got to watch that. I think it's like his magnum opus. You know what I mean?

I watched the Bernie Madoff doc, and I fucking loved it. Because that guy's a psychopath. That guy rules, huh? I feel bad for the people who didn't have any money. And then they got screwed again. The government's making them pay it back somehow. What the hell is up with that? It's fucked up.

Federal government. Yeah, Bernie's the one who fucked everybody. I'm starting to feel like our government doesn't have the best interest of all the people in its mind i think they only like the super rich people for some reason i only have 250 years of data to back me up right right well this is exciting we have a good episode i didn't really cut a lot of it because it was too good. That's why I want to keep this one short opening, but I see every day. Well, and we're going to have a big long one. Just us two coming up. So yeah. And two more

episodes. So you guys will get that. So should we talk about the voicemail thing? So I left my phone down. We are going to be giving advice or just whatever. If you have a question, anything advice, you can send in the voicemails. If you have a question, anything, advice, question. You can send in the voicemails. Or if you just want to call the podcast, get on the podcast voicemails. What is the phone number? It's on my phone downstairs. You want me to go grab it? Go grab it. And then we'll also

post it. Yeah. All right. I'll be right back. Hold on. So this is exciting. We have a Google number where you could call the Google number and you could ask us what, what we should talk about on the concepts or if, um, who you want us to interview, or if you just want to just prank call me, talk about, pretend you're, uh, you know, Brian Schwartz or pretend you're my manager or you pretend that, uh, that I'm, uh, you know,

whatever, just make fun of me, whatever. It doesn't matter. Make fun of Nick. Actually, Nick needs a little bit of make funning, funning of I'm saying like, yeah, make fun of Nick. I can take it. Yeah. I love it actually. So what's the address here? Okay. Address. No phone number. Um, area code seven, two, zero Denver. Ooh, hot. You can't do a cool like world saving one 800800 on Google. 996-2403. So 720. 996-2403. So give us a call. Send us a voicemail. Did you already make a voicemail for it? Is it funny?

It's pretty funny. Not too long though. I want people to get to it. All right, cool. So send us your stuff, numbers. Talk to us. If you want to ask Nick on a date. Call me ugly, whatever dude, I do not care. I'm all do there. See if this works. My career died six years ago. Come on. You got plenty of stuff to work with. All right guys, we're gonna have a great week. Stay happy. Stay positive. Um, you know, feeling good. If you're feeling bad about yourself, it's okay. Yeah. It's actually normal and it'll pass. Yeah. Don't worry. Yeah. I know you're feeling, you know, just, just know that it's not going to last forever.

Or don't, like, forget that things change. Things change. And you could get happy again. Hell, it could get even worse. It could get, yeah. God damn it. So don't get too sad. Oh, Nick.

No, no. If you're in your feelings, feel the feelings. And keep it moving. Keep it moving, people. Yeah. All right, enjoy Raylan baxter you're gonna love this this is amazing i'm really obsessed with this six five people six five mustache dating a supermodel what in his feet oh yeah he's got this beautiful mustache oh no he's got a beautiful girlfriend he's's, he's beautiful. I'm really into Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 tall people. We should make them do it standing up. We should have all whenever someone's real tall, we should make them do the interview with standing X

do like a shack cutout. So people can see how tall the audience. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. All right guys. Enjoy Raylan and we will catch you next week. Yeah. Call us, call us. I'll be checking the voicemail. And we got some... Shout out to Dial to Guns. Shout out. Thank you for being our sponsor. Yeah, it's good. They're good. Okay, bye. Alright, next up on the interview hour, we have Raylan Baxter, one of my

favorite songwriters. I know you probably hear this all the time. He always says it's his favorite songwriter, but this really is one of my favorite songwriters. Love his lyrics. Love his chord progressions. He's just a great dude.

This interview got really deep. Ray's dad passed away during COVID, and he finally opened himself up to talking about it, which in a public forum, and I can't thank him enough for being vulnerable like this. So Chris, play some Raylan Baxter. Let's get this interview the right mojo that it needs because it's only January and this has been one of my favorite interviews of the year. So ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the interview hour, Raylan Baxter. If I were a butterfly Then I could fly away Over every mountain Every desert

Every day Oh my God Oh no All I feel All my thoughts Are we lost And when I meet the end I fall asleep again

So I can wake So I can wake up I can wake up On my wings again Cause we all Flocked out to the bottom Raylan Baxter Where the fuck you at bro I always see you're always in the woods somewhere

You're always like Just like doing some some woodsy shit. Where are you right now? I can't tell you. No, I'm in Pegram, Tennessee. Yeah? How's it been? It's nice up here, man.

It's 30 minutes west of Nashville. Yeah. Uh, closer to the West coast. Um, then Nashville is, are you on the West coast? I'm in Denver. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. My whole thing is I wanted to live closer to the West coast, not necessarily cause I love the West coast versus Nashville, but I don't want to live east of Nashville, so I live west of Nashville. You still love Tennessee, bro? I'm from Tennessee, you know? I do.

I don't love Nashville necessarily, the city with no identity. But I love what I'm looking at right now, which I'll show you. Yeah, show me. That van. Oh, yeah. Look at that guy. Are you isolated? Like, where are you? Do you have neighbors?

Yeah, I got neighbors. My buddy Alex lives next door. But am I isolated? Pretty much. I mean, there's houses over there. There's houses over there. But yeah, I rent this little cabin. I started renting it in April of this year.

Right. I'll have it until next April, and then i'll find somewhere else maybe do you like yeah i like the woods man yeah do you like the idea of like uh living in the woods you know protecting your own sanity without dealing with the nashville bullshit you know of like everyone telling you you gotta sit in and do these tracks and do all that stuff feels like yeah you live in your own island yeah yeah we don't make there's a writers round at Tommy's baklava bar on the same way bro I moved to Denver because it's all jam musicians. So they don't want me to be soloing. They leave me the fuck alone.

That's amazing. Yeah. I'm not really a jammer, soloer or whatever. So it's like, fuck it. Yeah. Jam bands and like jam band people, there's like no celebrity with them. No. They're just like, cool. You play in Green Sky Bluegrass? Awesome. I've seen you guys 20 times. You're in the band? Not me. Yeah, exactly. What about when you roll into Nashville? Is it like you a celebrity over there? That's all songwriter world over there.

I mean, I'm easily recognizable because I wear what I wear, I guess, in Nashville. And I have a mustache. And I've had a mustache for a long time. So in Nashville, like, I mean, I don't know. I thought,

cause that's not why I don't go into Nashville. Nashville is full of cars and, and posers. Yeah. Um, but, and I can't, it makes,

it makes me sad to see them all going for it. Yeah. Following their dream, but their dream is, well, it ain't my dream. So that's all I can say. What's your dream? Oh, my dream is to have,

to stretch 24 hours into feeling like it's 72 hours, and continuing to find out what I'm on this planet for. That's my dream. As of today, why do you think you're on this planet? The same reason why everybody else is on this planet, to continue figuring out the prize puzzle. Yeah. it um to continue figuring out the prize puzzle yeah um no no different reason than than anybody else honestly but how it's like there are so many little epiphanies to be had and so many little like oh my gosh oh shit kind of moments for everybody that yeah who knows and then we then when we pass on who

knows like what what all all sense is made you know i don't know yeah do you believe in an after life um belief is a funny word but i know there is a before and after life. Yeah. So I just know it outright. Belief is worthless. Explain that. Belief is a fake thing. It's like if you believe in something, then you automatically set this standard or this type

of like blueprint that you got to walk through because you believe something right to be true um but i i had you asked me that question do i believe in afterlife before my dad passed yeah i would have been like i believe in an afterlife i don't have any proof of it but i believe in it yeah um but uh i most definitely think that there is um a lot of like mojo and shit that we can't even explain that we don't know how to explain but that we may feel or may experience in a dream or a passing glance with a stranger or a bit of like just unexplainable kind of phenomenon that that could happen

where uh just unexplainable kind of phenomenon that that could happen where where you're like oh that's that's that's it that's i i feel that to be real like like when you're hitting on a stage with a band and then you jump out into the audience like that thing that's like that's a real thing you felt it it. But yeah. No, my dad passed. The morning he passed, he came to me in a dream. I talked to him in the dream. He said some things to me in the dream that were fucking eye-opening. And when I woke up from the dream found out he was he had passed on

I was like all right well that just happened and hold on hold on hold on you didn't know your dad you didn't know your dad died before this dream happened holy fuck do you mind talking about this this is what we should talk about yeah this is what I said this is what I want to talk about. I mean, you have a record, but fuck the music. Let's talk about this.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Records come and go. Yeah. Records come and go, but this is wild. So what,

what was the conversation? Were you able to talk back to him? Oh yeah. So at 3 30 AM on May on Memorial day of 2020, I woke up and I walked to the, it was, the sun was coming up. I walked to the bathroom and, you know, took a leak, had a leak. Then I walked back to my bed, but as I walked back to my bed, I poked my head out the window and I saw the sun coming up to the trees. And I was like, I said, I said with my mouth, I was like, damn,

that's pretty. And when I said it, I sounded just like my dad. Like I said it and I noticed it. And I was like, Whoa. And I looked at my girlfriend, she was in the bed. I said, I was like, I sounded just like Bucky. And I jumped back in bed and I fall back asleep almost immediately. And I go into a dream almost immediately. And I'm in Hawaii walking through storage containers and classrooms. And I was looking for a place to sit and nobody would let me sit down. I was looking for a place to sit and nobody would let me sit down. And so I finally found this motel and next to the corner room of the motel, there were three lawn chairs and I go and I sit in one and I was like,

finally I found a place to sit down. And after a second, I look over my left shoulder and my dad was right there on my left shoulder. I was like, I was like, dad, what are you doing here? And he says, he says, Ray, I got to talk to you, man. And I get up out of the chair and I walk into the corner motel room and he's standing there in front of the TV with his hands out like this. And I grabbed him by the wrist. I'm like, what's up, man?

What's going on? And he looks at me and he says i don't know what happened ray i gotta go they won't let me stay any longer and i and i was like okay and so i got it at that moment and i and i was like and i popped my hand on his shoulders like that like boom and i looked at him i said I said, dad, you're my everything. I am who I am because of you. And we hugged and we were crying and he kissed me. And when I squeezed in the tightest, the hotel room, you know, scene change, like the

white light just went. And then I'm still in the dream i'm 100 feet underwater under a massive tanker like a big ass tanker ship and the tanker has one boat one little boat on each end kind of like going like and the tanker splits into three pieces and it and it capsizes slowly, like the bowel and the stern go. And in the center hole capsizes and locks in place completely upside down underwater. And right when it locked into place underwater is when I snapped out of bed. I go, and right when I snapped out of bed, I go, king. And right when I snapped out of bed, I opened my eyes. I said, I got to call my dad. And I walk across the room to get my phone.

And there was already a text message from his wife saying, give her a call. And at 830 in the morning, I'm awake. I give her a call. She's like, your dad passed at 330 this morning. call she's like your dad passed at 3 30 this morning and i said what and then i and then i was like boom i know oh my god i just woke up from this dream and uh and that's how that that started and then you know fast forward to four days later i'm down in florida with my sister and her my dad's wife um and find out she's a medium she's like doesn't tell anybody this but she's been able to talk with her grandmother since she was a kid we're sitting in my dad's bed i'm watching a fucking pendulum swing around on a little chain pointing at the alphabet and it's my dad spelling things out to us telling me where his piano was telling me like all this beautiful shit, you know,

about being an angel or being like in the, in the presence of angels, uh, or guides, um, telling me that he was with his, the two spirits of his favorite dogs, Chester and moon dog.

And that he was with his father and he was essentially going to class every day, learningester and Moondog. And he was with his father, and he was essentially going to class every day, learning more about love and light. Through the pendulum? Yes. Holy shit, Raylan. Like a crystal, it's just like pointing. It was floating from her fingers, you know, on the chain,

and then a cone-shaped crystal. And it was just like, fingers, you know, on the, on the chain and then a cone shaped crystal. And it was just like, I was moving in thin air without her wiggling it, you know, and it just started pointing to letters. And, uh, I mean, that was my dad. That was like, whatever the essence of his energy, he was communicating with us. And, and after that happened, i was like reformed again i was broke i was broken in half for like four days and then i talked to him again and uh like my smile came back all these things just like okay that's my dad all right cool i talked to him from the other side now um essentially he's on my shoulder all the time and i can't get away with all the rap

scallion that i used to when he was alive yeah so that i mean i bet man okay so you basically had two conversations with your pops one in your dream yeah did you believe that did you believe the dream oh yeah so like did you not want to wake up from the dream i didn't have a choice when i when i was in the dream i didn't know that i was gonna be like when you're in a dream you don't know you're for me i'm in a dream i don't know that i'm dreaming until i'm out of the tree yeah uh and so i believe the dream yeah i mean i it happened and then i woke up and i called or i then i saw the text like it's a very real place and i said that to one of his best friends after the fact i was like i know the dream wasn't real or was it really because he's israeli my dad's

best friend he goes red on the dream that is a very real place so that was your father and he was saying goodbye and yeah i mean and it was just crazy you know like the whole kind of i think that witnessing the miracle of birth is one thing that like is unexplainable until it happens to the person witnessing it and then talking to somebody from the other side is like unfathomable until it happens and it happened and I was like well damn I mean real is real as is anything and then the dreams that I've had since then, the dreams my sister has had since then, the, the stuff I found out from him,

like he can join consciousness with the Osprey. And so the day, like two or three months after he passed, I am standing next to a field of buckwheat. My dad's nickname is Bucky, but I'm standing next to a field of buckwheat in Eden, Utah. And an osprey flies by as I'm fly fishing with my dad's rod for the first time since he passed. Oh, my God. This osprey flew by three different days, three different days in a row, showing off the fish that he had caught. And the day I left that cabin in Eden, this osprey posted up on the biggest evergreen tree,

looking down the driveway as I drove down the driveway. He's like, come to my sister's dreams and told her to tell Buddy about this this play buddy the Johnny Cash song and she's in the dream like what do you mean the Johnny Cash song he's like just you'll know just play buddy the Johnny Cash song and then that morning she wakes up and gets into her car to go to the coffee shop and a Johnny Cash song starts playing called my darkness and it's an explanation of kind of like being depressed and not being able to tell people how much you love them. Oh, my God.

But he wanted his best friend and one of his buddies, his best friends in Nashville is Buddy Jackson. He's an artist. He wanted Buddy to know that he loves him. And so that was the message that, you know. This is wild. My sister was in the Bahamas with one of her friends, and my dad came to her in the dream, and he was like, go find Benry. Go find Keith and Benry. And my sister woke up the next morning and texted me.

She's like, do you know who Keith and Benry are? I was like, yeah, those are two of Bucky's fly fishing buddies in the Bahamas. She's like, I'm in the Bahamas right now. What the fuck? And she had never met Benry. She never even heard these names. So when she texted me that, I was like, whoa. But yeah, all this stuff.

Hold on. Hold on. Raylan. Yeah. Oh my fucking God, you're blowing my mind right now. I need to say, hey, Jill, will you grab me a cigarette? This is wild okay one first thing i want to know did anyone else have communication with him on the on the day of his death or were you the first person he talked to um i think i was a thank you i'm i

probably was the first person he talked to because or or he spoke with Taylor as well his wife, yeah, but um when I I Don't know to be honest with you like timeline of that, but I do know that at 6 30 a.m. He was he had been Pat He had passed for for three hours at that point. So maybe Taylor saw him on the port. He passed away looking at the sunrise,

probably doing some weather predictions for the day for fishing. So he might have communicated with her, but yeah. What about, okay, so do you believe that visitation with the afterlife expires after a certain time, or can you always communicate with him? Well, I can always communicate with him because he's part of me now yeah and he's he's like he's in my heart as he told me and so i can hear i can hear his voice in my like what i would previously describe as my imagination um i think that my imagination is like a term that is way more to be defined than it has been but i can imagine his voice i can see him when i close my eyes i can hear him like give me advice if i'm in my garage tinkering and i'm moving too fast or um uh or if we're playing music and i need to listen more rather than like step on

everybody's toes jamming or something, um, I can just hear him. Um, and the more grounded I am, the more I, the deeper sleep I get, the more I can like go to, the more I just like my, my, my being lets me be in a place that I can communicate with him. Whether it's like, you know, when I'm riding the dirt bike, for example, if I get a little squirrely, I can, I can hear him yell like, Ray, you know, like slow down, you know, like that. And so then I like, I will slow down. And who knows how many times that saved me from like hitting a tree or something, you know?

Oh my God. What a, how, okay, so I remember when this happened and you kind of went into isolation and people were reaching out to you and you kind of like, you pushed people away in a sense, which is totally fine. What was the mourning process like through those months? With your girlfriend? Were you by yourself? Did you have people to talk to? Did you want to deal with it alone?

So my girlfriend at the time, I'm with her now, but at the time, she wasn't my girlfriend after that. I hadn't seen her in a while. We saw each other for a few days, and she went off for a year and a half and did her thing. And so my mourning process, I went to Kentucky. Well, I went. So here we go, rewinding. He passed in May of 2020. I recorded most of the music for this record I put out

from January to March of 2020 i recorded most of the music for this record i put out from january to march of 2020. we had 30 plus songs recorded with like scratch vocals and stuff um and then quarantine started you know right and then bucky passed away and and i took a couple months I was living in a different cabin in Tennessee and I took a couple months just to like, you know, I would like look up at the sky at night and be praying and being talking to him and I Would this one time I mean I fucking I was I was stoked. I was sad, but I was like I stoked i was sad but i was like i was in this spiritual place where i was asking my dad to throw shooting stars across the sky and he would do it oh like two times two times in in a in a time i was hanging with him i was like throw a star across the sky and i started counting and i

counted to seven and one went p.m and then then I was like, it's cause I was asking for signs that he was there. I was told by an advisor essentially that if you ask for him to give you signs, he'll give you signs. And, and so, Oh my God, put my other ear pod in. It was dead. And I was like, I counted to seven again and another star. In a night where there were no shooting stars, you know? Yeah.

And let's see. So I was stoked. I put his ashes in his pedal steel box, put them in my Sprinter van, and I drove to LA. And I filmed all of this, too. I filmed it with my GoPros. I'm wearing a Batman mask driving across the country with my dad's ashes in his pedal steel seat on my way to LA to start working on this record again. And I work on the record for a month there i pack it up and i go up to apple valley california and do some percussion recording

with miss bobby hall and then i go to utah where i'm there in with in eden utah at a friend's house and then i'm there for a couple weeks i go down to creed colorado for a couple weeks. I go to Austin texas and kick it with shaky for a couple weeks and then I make it back to nashville by september of 2020 and Still with like a record that was unfinished and then I move up back up to kentucky to the studio and that's where like the isolation started that's where I was able to live in the studio. And that's where the isolation started. That's where I was able to live in this studio for a year and live on this 100-acre property for a year for very little money.

God bless the Swayze family for letting me live in this castle, essentially, for a year for 5,000 bucks. Yeah, sick. I had the whole studio to myself. Did you have an engineer? Thunder John. Were you engineering it yourself yeah oh no no i had i had thunder john who was up there um with me like half the time telling me teaching me how to run pro tools teaching me how to edit and it was such a scene you know i'm this huge studio, Thunder John's a guru,

and he's playing Red Dead Redemption on the Xbox, and if I have a question, I'd be like, how do I do this? He's like, take the clicker, put it on file, go to save as, and then it got more complex as the time went on. I'm like, all right,

hold shift and Apple, stretch the X across and then okay now type this in curve the bow there's your crossfade oh my god and so for a year that's where i got like kind of beck with my album i'd start chopping up my voice and having a lot of fun with that but i spent too much time alone yeah this is like i I like people started worrying about me and I was just literally eating Adderall drinking coffee and energy drinks and learning how to make this record. And,

um, and all, all, all of it was mostly good. I'll just say that the negative part of that is the effect it had on my fucking body and my brain. Right. of that is the effect it had on my fucking body and my brain right of like gobbling amphetamines and and smoking hella weed and talking to ghosts essentially right um and so i stopped doing that

yeah good but um i'll clap to that i'll clap to that oh so what was john talking about mourning and death and your pops and stuff? Well, John had lost his father five or ten years ago. And so this guy, John Constable, is a fucking truth keeper, man. And he's the second engineer on the record um and he a man of few words man um but he's like got really long remember remember the guy that's afraid of mustard in the cky2k yeah yeah john john's like a more fragile version of that guy, but like same hair looks like a wizard and And you know keep in mind in addition to John

To my pops passing the two builders of this studio that I was in they passed away in 2018 Billy Swayze and Tiger merit Tigers the lead singer Teleportation. And Billy is the owner of the studio who has all this antique vintage recording gear. And so I'm like talking to these guys as well. They're pretty much the tastemakers on the record. If I tried to go play something and it wouldn't work out, I realized over the year that I would just like stop and something would happen eventually that would write the part. Whether it was I'm listening back and there was a robin that was tapping on the window of the glass and it was a percussion pattern or at night we'd open the windows or the doors and the bullfrogs in the pond would start going like, in the beat of the song that we were listening to, or the AC unit would click on, and it would be a static note that just hung through,

and stuff like that happened, or a siren would come by, and it would be a background vocal, or the Doppler effect of a of a of a semi truck coming you'll hear that song on the record too you know and it was really beautiful because i think that i'm in the bigger picture with life like the the second you learn how to let go and trust that something else is taking care of all this stuff, then things become way easier.

Detrimental drama becomes a bug on a windshield. And then the record was done. Honestly, I could have worked probably another three years on chopping this record up and making it something else. Lyrics came into place. another three years on chopping this record up and making it something else when the lyrics came into place when did you like like just like stop overthinking the record and let it just you know finish um i stopped i mean honestly i stopped when we started mixing it yeah because there was still like all the the human component or like the the pursuit of something better or did i nail it kind of thing uh that kept me tinkering with it but really like october of 2020 um of 2021 is when i was like all right i can't do anything more to this and then we found somebody a mixing engineer ryan hadlock up in seattle oh right and yeah he is great and

and he let me come up to there to bear creek and we spent three weeks mixing the record doing some patchwork recording and such. But yeah. It's pretty wild. During this methamphetamine binge you were on, were you suicidal? Hell no. Your brain was so focused on the project and talking to your dad. Did you feel lonely? Or did you not feel lonely so focused on the project and talking to your dad.

Did you feel lonely? Or did you not feel lonely because you had all these spirits you're talking to? Yeah, I was alone, but I wasn't lonely. That's good. Well, I was lonely on like a very, like I wanted to, I wanted to I wanted to I was always inviting girls up right to the studio like like before Sophia and I started dating you know I was a bit of a fucking floozy mm-hmm and so I was lonely I was like looking for some type of gratification in that sense to feel some love. But I my purpose my purpose is to make music and to to

mine through words and find ways to explain something that hasn't been explained before but is a very human uh circumstance right loss love uh hunger desire uh but put it into words that's essentially what what we're doing you know we're trying to be make a platform for for someone else to hold on send to voicemail for somebody else to uh learn from or feel from beyond ourselves. But no, I don't think I would ever be suicidal because it's a gift to be a human. It's a gift. I'm not a floor mat. Right.

I'm a human. And what a fucking gift it is to figure out the problems and and not give up and it's all like part of the part of the plan i think for me at least i was up there it was beautiful i was going through i i wasn't you know it was beautiful. It was just all beautiful. Um, really the hard part started in the last, like in the last six months when I started dating, uh, I mean, started seeing one person and then a lot of other struggles from my life came out through in this relationship that I realized like are,

are things that have been with me since I was a kid. My dad was always my phone call. And for me not to have that phone call, two years after he passed when I needed the phone call, that was really difficult to figure out and to understand and to be surprised that I actually have my own kind of me inside of me that I can call. But I had spent 30, not 38 years calling my dad when I got into a predicament and not leaning on myself. Um, and myself is, uh, maybe one of the reasons why my dad passed at that time he did is that I had to start my own journey of of identifying my my kind of beacons of light and finding them and and forming a relationship with

my guiding forces which is partly him in another place but partly me as a little kid, me as a college-age adult, and then me now. And then everything that makes up that, plus everything else that we can't explain. Yeah. And the stuff that we were suppressing, and suppressing enough where until you made that phone call with your dad, you didn't have that anymore. So where'd you go? Did you go to Sophia?

Did you go to therapy? How did you like get through a way to communicate all the poison that's in your body? I mean, we still have poison. Yeah, I found a therapist. Yeah. Like this lady, I guess I could leave her last name out just for, unless she wants some business. I don't know.

Her name's Glenda. Yeah. She's helped my sister with, my sister's been like three years ahead of me with stuff. She'll call something. She'll be like, I'm going through this. And then three years later, I'll find myself going through that route she's two years older than me yeah um but she she recommended this lady named glenda and so glenda and i uh it's it's it's a like this type of therapy or a lot of writing and one once a week face time and she would try to teach me how to meditate

and um and then all the other six days of the week i would have a writing assignment like write a letter from the really judgmental part of of my being and then we would go into a meditation a kind of a guided meditation and she would coach me on how to break down this, the judge in me and how to find this limitless self. these terms to me because they don't mean anything uh when i just hear her say it but my limitless self like this golden uh teacher and advisor that is within all of us um how to how to find this and for me i needed to put a a body to it and i had to have clothes and a bow and arrow and shit you know and like so this when i was in a relationship when i would get like my feelings hurt or i then i've learned how to like get to why my feelings are hurt and then where it comes from and rather than this like you could do better than this you

can do better than this voice it's more like this is everything is okay and what you're feeling right now is and I would just be able to break it down like in a on a spreadsheet essentially right so that I don't feel pain and pain is just like pain is yeah it's it's these it's these poisons that essentially you can just go like, if I can get a way to do that, and it'd be gone. Because you get in a breakup, and then three years down the line, you look back, you're like, I was hung up on that. But I ain't now. And how do we get to that place a little bit sooner?

And what is it about me that makes that scenario more difficult to pass through right um and finding that and i mean it's still it's still it's a work every day on it but i now have this like little kid in me that i thought was just a memory that was a old part of my life that's still hugely a part of me and carrying him around with me rather than kind of dragging the memory and yeah why do we forget that kid as we get older

I don't know I think because memories are like it's like something happened in time and then it's gone and it's just a memory but if it was all part of our burlap sack it's like something happened in time and then it's gone and it's just a memory but if it was all like part of our burlap sack you know that's with us all the time i think we would nurture it uh nurture the little kid a little bit more but we're also finding out humans are

finding out so much about the brain and about how we store trauma. Like in the last five years with TikTok and Instagram, people are sharing information and I just kind of like, I'm really hopeful. Well, not hopeful. I'm like eager to see what else we figure out about speed bumps essentially, so that we can tap into our full potential best yeah yeah yeah do you know you talk about the calmness when you're when your

dad is in your soul now is like it's like in that the same thing is like him like what your therapist telling you like squeezing out that bad tension is the same thing as he's saying Ray you're going too fucking fast on this motorcycle. Oh shit, I'm taking life for granted in a way, in a sense of I'm being reckless. And it's the same thing you're talking about with chasing pussy or doing methamphetamine. It's like, sometimes we need these sparks of death. And I try to be optimistic about things, and it's hard to be optimistic about death. But sometimes we need that to be a better person.

Do you think it helped you? Most definitely. Yeah. It shrunk the world for me when he passed, and I talked to him. It shrunk the world for me when he passed and I talked to him and over the years, earth shrunk and my vision became clearer in terms of what I should be spending my time on, who I should be spending my time with. really diving into the gifts that i have noticed that i've i was that i've either built or been given by the outside um to fucking sing right to i'm like if we're talking about all these vibrations and you see the things on the internet where the guy takes sand and he turns it to 440 be, um, 440 Hertz and it makes the design and it's 30 Hertz and it makes the design. You know, if we're talking about vibrations, my, my purpose is to sing from my mouth into a microphone

so that a group, a large group of people can experience some type of joy right. As a whole. Now the record is one thing. The entertaining and performing is the whole other thing. That's equally as important as a record. You know, as you know,

like people's lives are changed when they go to a great show. Right. It's, it's a, it's a combination of harmony of what they want and what the entertainer is giving. Do you still like entertaining? I love it, man. We just did seven shows in November. I was,

I was nervous to get it going because of like rehearsals and having to learn these songs and sing them. But I, uh, I, I re I was reminded that like, you know, after the show I'm staying out there and I'm talking to everybody. People's lives are affected by the art that somebody's making, hopefully. That's part of the social service now to give them what they want. Give people what they want. In turn, I get what I want.

It's called selflessness. Yeah, and it's like that. We're all in this together. You're mixing half of it. You're doing this for a reason to help them while it's helping you as well. So it's pretty powerful. But damn, what kind of joys did you find in your life out like after you the passing of your dad also i want to know were you it seems

like you were really close with bucky before did this make you closer now that you could talk to him whenever you want in your soul or does he come every now and then um i think that if i am if i am like being sober and um you know and eating healthy and sleeping enough he's around all the time. It's like when I'm, when I go out to my, my, my yard and I walk around barefoot and I go like walk into the woods and literally touch trees and listen to the wind. He's there all the time. All the time. If I was like, um, listen to the wind. He's there all the time. If I was like, um,

I think that he, he like, he trudged through just to get my attention a lot. Um, when I was up in Kentucky ungrounded essentially, but I was, I was so, I was so grounded from the dream and everything that, that I, I was, I like ran off that for two years, you know? But, but there were like moments where I'm like, why God, why, you know, Buck man, where are you? I need your help right now. I'm fucking crumbling. Um, and that was my time to figure it out. You know, it wasn't like, I, he couldn't shine up through the sun and be like son you are

troubled and you must and it's like no silence figure it out bro yeah um why do you think that is essentially why do you think spirits come when you're calm and clear-headed not when you need help because the help that we need when they're when they're not there is for us because it's it's our it's our it's our job to to figure it out it's like you know spare spare the rod spoil the child okay like yeah i point. The pain, the pain is part of the beauty, you know? And so gotta, gotta get up to get down.

You know what I mean? Like there's all these things where, and you gotta get down to get up. Right. Um, and so there's like, or else like, what's the point of the journey?

There's no journey at that point. You look back on the hard times because you're in a good time and you're grateful for the good time because you went through the hard time. Right. But yeah, he's way more in my life than he was when he was alive. Yeah. But he and I were like twin flame, than he was when he was alive yeah but he and i were like we're like twin flame um and which is what i was told um by um essentially my spirit guide that i'm with him when i was born

we split i mean i talk like him i walk like him that's why my instincts are like him, I walk like him. That's wild. My instincts are like him. I talk to his friends on the phone and they'll be like, oh my God, you're scaring me, kid. You sound just like your dad right now. So crazy. Yeah. So he's omnipresent. Was it like Elizabethtown for you when you took that road trip with your dad's ashes? Were you putting them in all these different places or did you hold them?

I held them. Yeah. I still have them. They're not in a urine, they're in a plastic bag. Hell yeah. Inside of like a velvet bag in my guest room over there you know like hell yeah i know that i'm going to key west this weekend uh i'll probably bring a little bit down there and drop him in the water because he he's like all about the clear blue bohemian

water um but yeah man death is like death is a beautiful thing we're we're conditioned to think about it as like this uh this bad thing where we don't get to see anybody anymore it's but it's not that that's like that's an illusion right um that is an absolute illusion like my dad came to me in a dream once and and i was like i was with him i could smell him i was like dad are you really here like are you really am i really with you right now he goes yeah ray once you get over the illusion that i'm gone i'm always around yeah like this illusion that death is it's just like we we can't figure out as a whole what happens when somebody dies right so it's like without knowing we don't know and therefore then we're afraid right we're sad

but we have a choice not to be sad like i i made a choice two or three weeks ago to be done grieving. And I was like, I was like, Buck, man, can I be done grieving you right now? I gotta be done. And his answer to me,

it was just like from day one, man, but I know you needed to do this, but no, please stop. It doesn't help. Yeah. It's crazy.

And, but we needed to mourn to feel that we could actually feel. I don't know. Music industry trains us to not feel. I don't know about you, but my take on just living on the road, fucking doing everything, abusing our body. We feel like we're invincible and we don't have feelings. you know because they force us to just play all the fucking time and fucking make a record after record like like we don't have fucking feelings so like maybe this is a lesson to fucking feel you know yeah definitely feel feel all of it yeah fuck well okay i got one last question what's it like dating a model um i see your girlfriend and you you guys like this perfect little rock star and model fucking life and then I saw her singing with you at one show I'm like this is fucking this is this is like Kate Moss dude is like Kate Moss and you know is it wild is it do you get insecure is like how is that?

Hell yeah. Yeah. Dude, hell yeah. She lives in New York City right now, and I live in Tennessee. Right. And she's much younger than me, and so she's, like, going through her 20s doing her thing, you know? And it's, like, powered. Well, not even powered.

I don't even have the right to say that. I have learned how to do it better than I used to, but still, it's like, I'd be hella insecure. She's hot. I'm not next to her. You're hot, too, though, Raylan. Let's go.

You know you're fucking hot. You know what time it is. Yeah, you hot. She just texted me, too. amazing um i think that it's not the big picture man nothing really should get into the in the way of true love right and so if ever i were to get jealous or if ever I were to perceive a situation or hear something she said rather than listen to what she said, it's difficult, man. But I've known Sophia for essentially as long as I'm allowed to know her. Right. And, uh, and the way we got into our relationship was three years prior of just

knowing each other, um, kind of distantly. Right. And, but her being in the, we have a very deep connection, man.

She's wise beyond her years. And she was in the bed with me when I woke up and I found out my dad passed. Yeah. And she helped me through like when i got long story short but i got kind of chased off of that studio property last december because some local um local guys are running the studio and he's one of the manager and i didn't really get along and um and i kind of got chased out of there by holy fuck him and his cronies i put all my shit into storage and she came into my life at that time and i had somebody

that somebody specifically heard to love to feel love from and she would check in on me and right and i put all my shit in the storage and then then we went out to con to seattle to mix the record and uh i just left the studio i haven't been back since holy that's kind of weird like after you spend your blood sweat and tears on the record and the last thing you the visual you have is this douchebag manager of the studio kicking you out i mean like it's such an important record to you you know it took everything out of you it took everything out of me and then i got you know i'm still kind of figuring out how to look at that that that studio up there but my storage units were broken into in april

My storage units were broken into in April. All my gear was stolen. What? Everything. 15 guitars. My dad's pedal steel seat was stolen. Whoever broke into it, and I found out who did it. Just a meth head that hit up a bunch of people's units that day.

But they took my dad's ashes out of the pedal steel seat, dropped them on the ground, took the seat. Thank God they did that because I would have gone on my own private investigator mission. They took all my hard drives, all my GoPro footage that I had been storing for three years. Oh, no, with the Batman footage and shit? All of it. Oh, fuck, bro. I sold my dad's 52 gibson i was

able to get one guitar back that red and yellow guitar that i have oh man somebody found it on reverb.com but other than that they took everything and up and i was like holy this is creepy i'm out of here i'm out of here man yeah fuck that and yeah it's kind of in dark vibes up there um that's bullshit answer your question dating a model get back to that yeah yeah no she's great she's she's she's on her own path too you know and so it's like all the like control freak stuff that I've adapted into with my own personnel management and career stuff. Right.

Um, she just, I'm very in tune with the female and I was raised by females. I was, I've lived with females my entire life. My mom, my aunt, my sister, my cousin, and, um, and I'm a peacemaker as well and so i've also learned that i'm a stir on some other levels so um it's a it's a journey man but it's a beautiful journey and yeah well i can't get in the way of anybody else's like once for success and and uh to go trying it out and so i was i was nervous when she's like i gotta spend that some the winter in new york city i'm like what am i gonna do what about little old me right but uh but no no it makes me happy that you found a person it makes me happy that you're trusting your person and it makes me happy that you're trusting yourself bro so

we i i wish we gotta we gotta not not wait another year to have these conversations. I'm going to keep bugging you, and if you don't answer, it's fine. But I want to be your friend, Raylan. You're a good dude, and I'm a huge fan regardless of that. I love you, bro. I'm always here for you. I love you too, Andy. I admire what you do on a performance level.

You fucking have a lot of energy. Thanks, bro. And you got a lot to talk about too. And a lot of wisdom. So I'm happy for your show. I feel like it's on the up and up. And people know about it more and more. I love it.

People need to hear people talk. I know. And everyone can talk about their fucking music and their reviews and their guitar solos but fuck that we're talking about death we're talking about your dad that's what I'm talking about let's get it poppin baby so I'm gonna be in Nashville next week I don't know if you're in town or in two weeks I'm at the Brooklyn Bowl but I'm in town I'm in town for five days, so maybe I come by the woods and we could

wear an orange beanie too and wear some camo and let's get it popping, brother. I got two more orange beanies. All right. I'm in. Let me know, buddy. I will. I'll be here. I get knee surgery on the 8th of December, just like a little unobtrusive kind of

thing. So from the 8th to the 12th i'll be um immobile essentially but let me know the day two there and i'll um you come out to the cabin for sure for sure was that from lacrosse yeah an old injury with my meniscus my meniscus both of my knees are starting to feel kind of old but yeah my meniscus on my left knee needs to get some of it shaved off right so dude well at least you'll be able to heal in your cabin in the woods baby and um let me know your address i'll send you some soup raylan thanks for being on the show buddy means a lot alright love you thank you for having me love you bud later bye bye

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