Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 203: Jon "Barber" Gutwillig (the Disco Biscuits)

Episode Date: January 24, 2023

*Call us & leave a message to appear on the show: [phone] No topic is out of bounds...* Frasco is joined by Gerlach for a special Double-Team Interview Hour for what's sure to be: the GREATEST Interview this year. So listen in (& step aside, Brownstein!) as we welcome Disco Biscuits guitarist and low-key genius, Jon "The Barber" Gutwillig! Also: The return of Dolav Cohen for more SPORTS and a request... nay, a PLEA: for y'all to call us and leave a message for Andy, Nick, or whomever. Wanna talk dirty? We're here for it. Also: We need advice. Any advice. Heck, we'll even give YOU advice. CALL US.  Much tastier than a limp biscuit, try yourself some discobiscuits.com And don't forget to catch the band in a town near you andyfrasco.com/tour Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy Frasco & The U.N. (Feat Little Stranger)'s new song, "Oh, What A Life" on iTunes, Spotify  Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Dolav Cohen Arno Bakker

Frasco! What up dude? It's your boy DOLOF. Just wanted to hit you up and say what the fuck are you doing bro? Signing some fucking world saving athletes? Are you kidding me? You don't know shit about sports? You ain't no fucking athlete. You trying to sign some fucking twin towers? What are you doing signing them? You can't even afford to pay gerlach let alone your band you're gonna pay some fucking athletes to rep your shit you ain't shit lakers ain't shit get the fuck out of here bro hello andy fresco this is bob watson with the mountain union university sports information office just got the finalized paperwork for your sponsorship deal with our two seven-footers on the bench there. Looking great. Love the clothes you sent over. I'm a little

surprised at how ready you were for this industry and how just as much of a pro you are. Do you have some sort of experience as a college basketball player or an athlete? It just seems like you're a former athlete. We've never had anyone really understand this industry so well right away give us a call back if you need anything sorry I'm texting you done texting to the indie fuck off right so fucking rude fuck you you piece of shit and we're back in frasca's world fucking piece of shit do not edit that out I feel good about that I stand by that oh how we doing everyone we just did an amazing interview with john and it went long aka barber so we don't need to give you one of our long biscuits yeah so we're not going to do a long one for you but

it's a long one this is a long one and we're not going to edit it because he is a borderline low key genius i think he might just be a genius i I think he was, I think he might be one of the smartest. I'm a borderline genius. I think he's a real genius. I'm only borderline. Wow. That was amazing. Disco business. Everyone says me and him needed to talk and I'm glad he's in some ways you should never meet. I thought he was more of a aloof. I thought he was more aloof than that. Me too. I I've opened for him a few times, but I always just kind of kept my distance with him. Cause he's kind of scary. I also thought he was a druggie. No, I never got that vibe from him. I don't get why everyone thinks

like, cause he's like business is a drug ban. Well, they played their audience met their audience oh yeah true sometimes that's driven by the audience's consumption true true um so we're just gonna go straight to the interview because um barber deserves the whole 90. so yeah for sure um dialed in gummies is our sponsor for this show dialed in guys hell yeah tell them about dialed in gummies well i'd love to tell them about dialed in gummies wouldn't i i had four of them last night i couldn't sleep you do 100 milligrams of that four of them that's 10 oh you're 40. yeah and i was having i've been having problems sleeping it knocked me out finally um they are solventless i mean they're the cleanest gummy out right right everybody's in eating clean these days you might as well do it with your thc too not just your salads you know what i'm saying

yes they taste great they actually make you lose weight. I'm just kidding. That's a joke. Um, what else? They're homogenous. They're all fucking hungry after eating those common thing. Really? Some way it doesn't make me hungry. Some weed makes me hungry. I think eating weed makes me hungry more than smoking it. 100%. I agree. It's in your body more. Right, right, right. I love them. They're delicious. I eat them every day. I stand by them. If anyone has an issue with them, you are dead to me. They are my favorite thing on earth and they're affordable and they're at Kush club right now. Our, our specific, uh, 10, your specific 10, 10 world years. I think it's the band. Let's give it the band to people are here for you. Not me. It's fine.

I'm like icing. You're the cake. Oh, that's sweet. You're a big piece of cake. Oh, you're so sweet. Nick milk. Ooh, hot. That was the hottest thing you ever said to me. Really? I'm going to dip you in milk. I'm kind of hot. I mean, if you're you, yeah, I was eating Oreo cookies last night. I was working them in milk and it was really good. Double stuff. Single stuff. Single stuff. I don't fuck with the Speaker 2, I like the single stuff to the double stuff it's like get over yourself yeah i feel like an american in europe yeah come on we're not communist here what about just a big jar of those feelings oh god all right so we got like we said short and sweet nick short and sweet

disco biscuits splice tech yeah this is the jam everything this talks we talk about li ai we talk about fights fights him and him and brownie fighting yeah we talk about music we talk about operas we talk about his tech companies this is amazing yeah um if you don't know who uh i'll even do the intro right now let's just kill it all right now barber guitar player the disco biscuits everyone you know you know the disco biscuits in our scene they are a transy disco trans trance not trans oh no yeah trance they're not transy god i love you sometimes yeah i can't you know i'm dyslexic uh are you or you just have problems pronouncing stuff i think i'm just stupid you're not stupid i hate when you say that you just don't know a lot of stuff okay oh you think i'm smart i think you're smart. I just don't think you know very

much. Okay. But I think you're very smart. Okay. Let's get back. Thanks bud. So a Barber's the guitar player, the disco biscuits. This is one of my, this might be one of my favorite in his Margaret show is pretty bad-ass. Phil Hanley is pretty bad-ass, but this one, cause I know him, this one might take the cake so far for the year i don't think barber is interviewed a lot no he i've hardly ever seen him be interviewed the only thing when i did the little research was something from like three years ago yeah yeah well this interview is sponsored by our boys repsy.com they're back back they're back reps.com go grab yourself a talent booker from the internet how important is a talent booker nick very important i also saw another service they were offering the other day

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Oh my God. And they're helping out all the bros. Yeah, they're helping. Let's go. Finally, frats. Let's go. Finally, good to see some frat boys so if you're in a band if you're a frat guy running a frat or a sorority girl running a sorority if you're a wedding planner independent venue musician musician comedian candle lighter maybe like your gig is you just like candles like a catholic altar boy like a catholic altar boy 30 bucks an hour, I'll come.

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It's impossible. Yes, I know. Yeah. Well. Actually, it's hard. So sign up for repsy.com before we get go on right now repsy.com while you're listening and sign your band up or yeah they rule also it's free to sign up yeah they're og and they're back you can't lose you don't give them money i knew they weren't gonna be gone for long i knew like this hiatus they took something something happened.

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If you want to give Nick... Love advice, I'll take it. I don't care. Yeah, Nick will give love advice. He needs love advice, too. I need all kinds of advice. We all need advice. If you just want to send me your social security number

and your bank account information, whatever. Yeah, if you just want to talk shit, we'll listen, and we're going to put it on the podcast, and we're going to talk shit right back, right? We'll see. All right. Maybe. Chris, play some Disco Biscuits while we get ready for this interview. Enjoy

Barber from Disco Biscuits and we'll catch you next week. Bye. Thank you. The tell-all. Barber. Wow. Finally, someone besides Brownie. Yes, finally. Why does Brownie take all the interviews? Why don't you want to do all the interviews?

That's a great question. I don't know. I think he creates them. Yeah, exactly. He makes his interviews happen. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've been waiting for this moment for God knows five years now.

At least. At least. How long have you been doing this podcast for? Five years This is season six Wow You guys are in seasons You're such television personalities

We're professionals Look at us, two podcast stars Yeah You have a podcast too, don't you? Yeah, my podcast is like I'm just going to do another episode. There's no seasons. There's no thought to it or anything.

I just want to listen to music. I might as well do it on a podcast because I might as well do the director's cut of the show. The Tarantino cut. Yeah, exactly. I got a couple things that i want to start with first off let's go your younger life i you have a bunch of there's a bunch of just like just meme photos of you just looking crazy on the yard what was the younger years of barber. What? Tell me what, why are you a meme?

Well, I, you know, I was the last person to get a cell phone. There were nine-year-old kids with cell phones before I got one. And I really, really took the idea of being a traveling minstrel to heart. And I used to go into the hotel rooms i climbed mount estes in colorado do you know where that is yeah fort collins yep with an acoustic guitar on my back and i was just like really that guy for a while and i used to just not put shoes on for for weeks at a time on the road like walking in and out of truck stops with bare feet. People would be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And I was just like, if I'm going to step in glass, let it happen.

And it would just never happen. And I was just like, all right, I'm not going to put shoes on if I don't need to. And I used to just really grizzly up. You know, I was lacking in, it was just like, didn't have like, I was just really into that bohemian thing. I was just really into it. I don't know if I was lacking anything. I was very happy in those years.

I was just really into like writing songs and playing guitar and just chilling out and just being in a jam band you know who are you who who'd you look up to that was like living this vagabond life I I think you know Hunter S Thompson did that really well he did a great job of it if when you talk about the vagabond life um it was way more popular back then but I took it to another extreme like I was wearing you know like tattered like shirts with just random holes all over them and and like now the sweatpants thing has taken hold but back then people wore jeans yeah you know, like every day. And I would wear this like weird stuff that now is kind of normal.

But back then it was like, who the fuck is that guy? Yeah. And I was just like, my hair was crazy. And I couldn't do anything to my hair. I'm sure you guys kind of know, like Frasca, you definitely get it. Like there is no hairspray that's gonna be victorious on your head yeah i mean even aquanet which is like nuclear warfare hairspray didn't didn't do much for me so i was just like in that for a long time and everybody in my little bubble was totally happy that i was in it and everybody outside of my little bubble couldn't get in touch with me

because i didn't have any phone or anything like that. Were you picked on in high school? Everybody was but yes definitely me as well yes. But not so much I was like cool with everybody in high school so I but I had high school was the beginning of my hair related nicknames which has followed me through my entire life. What what oh yeah why has that happened? What's Barber?

Barber is a hair-related nickname. Barber was when I was in college. I didn't know anyone. I was a bioengineer, so I was breaking. I had this lab coat and my name on it. Like the Barber Seville?

And people would come to my room. I didn't know anybody. I was in Philadelphia. I didn't know anybody. So I would go to the liquor store, and I'd buy this $5 cheap-ass vodka that you get in the Supergallon because I had a dope fake ID.

So I would go buy a bunch of this cheap-ass vodka, and then I would be in my room. My roommate moved in with some old upperclassman girl the day he started school i don't know how he met her he like literally got there i was like hi nice to meet you he's like hey i'm moving in with this girl and i literally never saw him again so i had my whole place to myself and um every once in a while he would like show up and rob me and then leave and then uh and so i had yeah they would just show up like once every couple of months and just like steal stuff and then leave and i never saw him he he didn't go to the same class as me i

literally never saw the kid and then um and so i have this chair and people sit in the chair and i pour lemon juice and vodka in their mouth and then they would get up and do a trick in the room and that was the whole process it's true the rumor is true yeah that's the drink called the haircut and so everybody knew who i was like a month into school i had haircut the line from my room was was legendary like it was a thousand it was like a thousand kids i went through like five of those giant jugs of vodka every thursday night and then i would you know everybody would be and then all the freshmen would get all sauced on haircuts and then go hit the campus uh so we would do that from like eight to ten and then

that was how everybody met me i didn't meet anybody doing that i met like five people but everybody knew who i was and that nickname has stuck with me for my entire life do you regret it nah do you like it how much money were you making during that? Oh, it was free. It was a free process. It cost me 60 bucks. It cost me 60 bucks on Thursdays. Well, the social collateral gained though. Nowadays, I charge for that shit. But back then, I wasn't so wise. So what do you think, looking back at it, why do you think you're doing that to get friends or were you lonely i don't know i just cooked up that stupid idea just to like have people hang out yeah i don't know i had this whole room to myself i didn't really know anybody

and um we didn't have cell phones back then so how do you talk to your old friends like how do you you can't call your parents you can't not that i would have but you can't there's no one you can only talk to the people in your like that you could hit with a rock right you know what i mean around you and and that was my way of bringing people to me so i could you know eventually meet some of them and figure out who's who and la la la when did you start playing music I was playing music from like age four or five I was playing music from very young I had a alto sax when I was seven that I played um I loved and then I got a tenor sax when I was eight or nine I think I loved the tenor sax with that low G we play. Oh, yeah, we used to play she works hard for the money You ever heard that song she?

So and I used to be the guy going burp burp burp And I like that's literally my favorite thing to do I still miss that level of joy in everyday life today And then when I was 13, I talked my mom and to get me a guitar 12 or 13 or something like that So it's been a long time. I put the guitar down many times in my life i put music down many times in my life because i've spent so much time making music playing music you know doing the thing that i've definitely like you know you've had i've had these times where i put it down and then i always end up picking it back up again for one reason or another.

What makes you burnt out about it when you're having those moments of, I got to quit this? Well, I mean, in high school, I got burnt out on it for a little bit because what was I doing? I was playing in these bands and going to parties, and we were playing other other kids's parties yeah

and we were like playing songs you know we were playing like and like what we're doing was great I would play like you enjoy myself and we play like Pearl Jam songs like we play chili pepper songs like we're playing stuff that was like you know probably too hard for us I probably I think if we went back and listened to it we'd'd be like, wow, this guy's needed to practice or something. But the kids really liked it. You know, the kids at the party loved it. But then I put the guitar down and be like, wow, the party's over, you know? And in those days, like the party went from like eight to 12 or something. And then parents came and picked everybody up. And so I i was missing all the fun yeah um and so i was like well why am i doing that when i want to talk to all these people so so i did so i put it

down for a couple years in high school and then in college i picked it back up again because i met some cool musicians i wanted to play with them and um that was brownstein and sammy the old drummer and then we kind of started the band from there so it kind of went from there i think in the back of my mind i knew we were gonna do stuff like this um i think i remember telling my parents that i was gonna be a musician and they were like mortified yeah um so it was always there the question is you know am i doing it this month or something was it hard to get approval from your parents growing up as a kid yeah yeah i think so what was it like my parents didn't really care what i was doing when i was

a kid they just didn't really give a you know like yeah approval was something that i never got you know like acknowledgement was a hard thing to get right yeah as a kid i bet like like were you always trying to get their acknowledgement your whole life like you're like trying to you think that's why you kind of isolate into your own thing because the people you wanted to make happy weren't giving a shit about you? I isolate extremely well. Yeah. When I got COVID, you know, a year and a half ago or something,

I was, and it was like the COVID, you're alone for 14 days. Right. Get used to it. You remember that moment of COVID where they were like, put a bag over your head and sit under the stairs for two weeks. And I was, and like, to me, I loved that. I had the best 14 days ever. I just like, I just like, I had a blast. Nobody was bothering me. It was crazy. And then I was like, you know, at the end of it, I was like, wow, everybody's talking about how terrible COVID is. I could do that every week. I could get COVID every week and be totally happy.

But, yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's a certain amount of independence. me having the band where there was like stop that stop that stop that stop that stop that every single day until like they went to a show that there was like 15 000 people out and they were like all right you could do that yeah and then um and that and then they flipped totally and when they flipped i flipped the other way and was like let's don't want to do it anymore. Let's go. So maybe you don't want the approval. That's my favorite outlaw. Yeah, that was weird. Now that I have it, I don't want it.

Okay, so when you bailed out, when you finally played for all these people, because your parents said, all right, this is cool. What did your whole band say? I mean, you know, the band knows my parents pretty well, and they just think my parents are super weird you know what they say when you were done when you're over it didn't your first hiatus oh yeah were they pissed oh yeah super pissed

super pissed everyone's always super pissed at me or at least for years everybody was always super pissed at me and didn't I in my mind it was like it doesn't matter what I do everybody's gonna be pissed why why do you think't know. People used to get mad at me for the dumbest shit. I mean, one time I got yelled at. We did a transition from bassist for a day into above the waves on a dime. Like, boom, suddenly we're in this other song. And yeah, in retrospect, a little jarring. A little jarring. But, you know, it's not like you go to a disco biscuit show because we've worked everything out in advance right you know what i mean yeah it's not an aaron sorkin film yeah i

mean you gotta up every once in a while you know you gotta go for something and then look back and it'd be like a little jarring but i mean i got yelled at for that so i would always get yelled at for everything but isn't that like didn't But isn't that the essence of jam music? It's a lot of it. I mean, I don't know. I feel like when you're a musician and you're on stage, everybody is very, very aggressive and very vocal about you giving them the experience that they showed up to receive.

And I feel like that is a big reason why there's a lot of artists out there who just do their thing. And a lot of the most successful artists out there are people who just, they do what they do. Like Drake makes an album with house music and the whole world is like, what's going on? How does he do that?

He's supposed to make trap music. And it's just, the guy made a house, during the pandemic, he made a house album. I mean, he's got a studio, like he listens to house music, obviously. So what are you going to do? But to a lot of people, well, he listens to house music, obviously. So what are you going to do? But to a lot of people, that was sacrilegious, you know?

So I feel like the Biscuits, we've always had this thing where we do different stuff all the time. And we're just doing that in the wrong generation. Like, if we did that in the 60s, it'd be the best thing ever. And you do it in 2011 and 2021 and there's like but everybody needs your band to be a brand and be consistent like coca-cola because they have so many different brands to choose from they want to know when they go to your brand that it is exactly what it was last time they went there and i get that speech all the time and i just unfortunately can't deliver for those people i just can't do that yeah it's not that i don't want to i get that speech all the time and i just unfortunately can't deliver for those people

i just can't do that yeah it's not that i don't want to i get it i get it you want a coke every time you open up a coke if i made your coke there'd be a sun kissed in there every once in a while i don't know what to do about it try to enjoy the sun kiss people yeah that's so funny i i'm so fascinated with you you've wanted this approval from your parents your whole life. And once you got it, you're done. Was it the same with success? Yes. Yes.

I've been very bad with success my whole life. What don't you like about it? What scares you about it? Give it to me. I mean, I have songs about it. I have a lot of songs about it. You know, there's Mulberry's Dream, What Would I Have Left to Dream? There's Hope, you know, Is There Any Hope for Me? There's like a lot of songs that I have that are about that exact moment in time

where you're up late at night and you're like envisioning the future and you're also like knowing that you're going to end up falling through a ceiling or some shit and fucking it up. And like that's just the way it goes for me. I don't know why. I don't try and do it deliberately, but I do feel like, I do feel like there's, there's so much like being in the entertainment business and being in a business like a jam band business where there is no,

there's no help. There's no way to do it right. There's no amount of rehearsal you can do to do something perfectly. And there's, you know, no way to really, especially in my band where we kind of do everything poorly, but we do it really crazy way that is very unique. Like, it's hard to imagine that that is good or anything like that. You know what I mean? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. You know, but like, what are you searching for in life? Barber? Well, that's a hell of a question. I mean, what is anyone searching for in life? It's basically, anyone searching for in life, it's basically, if you have like a real set dream in life

that you wanted, like for me, like I knew from four or five that, you know, like I went to all the outdoor venues when I was 16 on a mountain bike. And then I played all those venues 10 years later or 20 years later, even the Gorge in Washington State. I played every single one of them. And to do all that stuff as a kid and then come back around and do it as an adult

and do it kind of against all odds. Like there's these, a lot of music groups that are just like, you know, they put out two songs and just blow up and the world just loves them. And I just feel like the Biscuits are never that band. My music career is never that. My songs are never that.

And so I just sort of kind of like willing this whole thing to happen. And it has a little bit of a uh it has there's a little bit of inside of me that's like well if I could have willed this to happen I could have willed anything to happen you know and sometimes I wonder like what else I could have willed to happen yeah that kind of has those kind of hesitations and that kind of moving yourself, especially when the going gets tough, if you can move yourself off of your trajectory, that's not a good thing. And you need people to keep you on trajectory in those situations. And I don't

have those people. I never have. I don't have those people in my family. You never had a manager or a friend, no one to keep you on the right track not really no not really so what got you what gets you back on the track yourself well i mean the band is very the band is good as far as like being like these guys can play and we you know we're all still playing together after all these years so the band is a lot of that but the band has also been a lot of turmoil over the years. So it's hard to decide, you know, it's like, how do I stay on track? I don't know.

I don't know. It's a great question. I've done a lot of things in life. You know, I just have done a lot of things. I was like a computer programmer at a high frequency currency exchange. Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk about. For a couple of years ago.

Like I've done a lot of weird stuff yeah and and um and interfaced with a lot of different kinds of people and i just kind of i like that at the end of the day and i feel like it's really bad for your career like people say shit to me like how are you bringing the disco biscuits back after all these years and la la la and it's just just like, I never thought of that. I never considered what I'm bringing this band back to. I never even thought of that once. I was just like, you know what? I wrote a lot of music while I was doing other things and I kind of want to play it at Red Rocks

instead of like in my bedroom. And I bet you the Biscuits want to play it too. And then I called those guys and they were like, yeah, let's go play it at red rocks and we did and so it just seems like i don't have that perspective of the world where i see what i look like standing on the planet yeah and in some ways it makes me very blind well that's okay because it's your life and like this is like this idea that we only could have one career is kind of bullshit you know and a lot of people are yes and people fucking hammer me with that I hate when people say like oh Matt are you know good at a lot of things but not a master it's a jack-of-all-trades yeah I hate

that fucking saying I'm sorry I'm good at multiple things that how's that bad yeah I mean look if you're like Tom Brady, if you want to be like Tom Brady, maybe you can't take your eye off the ball. You know? Like, maybe you can't. And, you know, I'm a pretty good musician, but, like, even, I don't know if I, I don't know.

Like, music is such a lonely job sometimes yeah you know like how do you how do you do you know how do you do what jerry garcia did like i thought about that so many times when i was coming up you know jerry used to do a tour with the grateful dead where who knows how much acid they were taking you know yeah right and it was twice a show at least minimum like who knows what was going on the after party and then jerry would get home park that set of luggage pick up another set of luggage and go out for nine more weeks with the jerry band yeah oh my god and i was just like, you know, I don't know if I could do that.

That sounds crazy to me. Yeah. But in 1974, it might have been the coolest thing to do. You know, what were you doing? You know,

but I don't, it seems like people make different choices that suit them. Yeah. And touring around the country. You know? Yeah.

You really got to be into like also like you know a lot of musicians are smaller than me so traveling is easier when you're smaller oh you mean like physically like yeah i thought i thought he meant like they're not as famous so they have to travel you just mean like they're shorter than you yeah like literal physical size dimensions like if i was to fedex you how big of a box would i need yeah a smaller box for sure yep yeah for maybe just as wide like four boxes taped together and shit and it would be very painful for me yeah terrible you you talk about the loneliness of being a musician, but then the next occupation due is extremely lonely as well. Coding.

I know. So dumb. So maybe you just don't like people. No, I love people, dude. I love people. I'm a very happy guy. I got a lot of great friends. You and I hit it off immediately.

Yeah, that's true. I don't really have a thing with people. I just, you know it's just i i don't really have a thing with people i just um you know i just when i'm like doing like really really deep thinking sometimes i feel like other people get in the way like the thing i like about computer programming is you don't have to get approval from anyone you just need to run it right on the computer and the computer will just bork or it won't and i just found that to be and music is kind of similar you sit down with the guitar you could

play the song and just nobody can stop you so i kind of like that in a way um you know i always feel like people are telling me why i can't do stuff you know like people are telling me my whole career like don't be a musician you're you can't be a musician you don't sing well enough to be a musician you'll never play guitar like jerry garcia you know like all these things i mean the guy pulled me we played a gig when we were playing bars in philadelphia and a guy came to write an article about us it was like our first article ever and i went over to talk to him and he pulled me aside and was like you should quit tomorrow you're the worst your whole what i wonder what he's doing now yeah this guy kyle over said this to me

what i still remember his name you kyle yeah yeah i was like what are you talking about dude like why would you say that to me i was like 20 at the time it was like our 10th or 20th gig i was like why would you bother to say that? Yeah, let's squash these kids' dreams. It's this weird world that I live in where people are nuts. So when you talk to a computer, a computer isn't nuts. A computer's like, round peg does not fit in square hole. Try again.

That's all you get. That's all you get. That, to me, is soothing a little bit. It's frustrating, but it's also soothing. It's the idea of not having a boss. You're the boss, right? Yeah. I think that's the one thing.

I don't know if I'm good with bosses. What about managers? How many managers have you had? We had Metallica's old manager was our manager at one point. That's fun. Yeah. Johnny Zazula and his wife. Um, they were pretty good managers for the biscuits.

I think we got going with them, but they just wanted us to sign all these contracts that were insane. Like you owe us money forever and your foot belongs to us. And we are now the overlords of your whole family and get to drink your blood. They had all sorts of crazy contracts. And, and so, so um so we moved on from them we had uh the old manager of wetlands chris zahn was our manager i think he was one of our better managers but he was super weird and i don't know what happened to him but i thought he

did a really good job with the band so it's a shame that we didn't work out with him we had one of my buddies from high school was our manager and yeah let's he just he was very bad with money we just like he would spend money and never pay any bills and next thing i knew we were like hundreds of thousand dollars in debt and we had no way to pay it we had no way to pay this stuff and we were just like why did you do this and he's like well we needed the money to do other stuff so he's just bad at running businesses but great guy and then uh great great manager yeah great great great guy bad with money and then we had david sonnenberg who was managing the black eyed peas yeah at the time and um we just couldn't you know we just i don't know if we were the kind of band for him but i liked him and uh and then we had

kevin morsel's bra, who are our managers, but they really just were just partying with the band. They really weren't managing us. And we've managed ourselves a few times in the year. Evan Winokur is our manager right now from L.A., so we have the L.A. manager right now. You know, it's just like... Do you like it?

Do you like having someone tell you what to do, or have they learned that they're not going to put Barbarabara in the corner the problem with the managers they never tell me what to do yeah how did i get this podcast i called you yeah yeah exactly you know what i mean that's true i have yet to have a manager that's like i booked you on the andy frasco podcast the podcast makes sense for you you're booked go do the podcast i didn't know that manager we never had and then you see like radiohead on the road you watch their documentaries and stuff like that of all these bigger bands and all they're doing is sitting on some kind of like weird you know celluloid model carousel where they go from one flashing room to another flashing room and

occasionally they get asked in japanese through a translator what the title of their new album means and occasionally they get asked in japanese through a translator what the title of their new album means right and it's just like it's like that what is that you know that never happens when we went to japan mark and i took the tr the translators to the museum and like hung out with them and like partied with them we didn't do any press uh interviews i don't remember. Nobody brought us in for an interview. It is halftime at the Enni Fresco interview hour. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Sports with Doloff. He's talking shit about the game. He's got a weird fucking name.

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Even during, it's just so fascinating to me because you guys are super smart. Dude, you guys went to Penn, right? We went to college, yeah. We went to good colleges. Ivy League. And barely survived. I mean, I don't even think we did survive. We were supposed to go to these weird classes where they teach you stuff, but we went on the road and played bars in New Hampshire and stuff like that.

So I don't know how good our education is if I was to go into the workforce right now and be like, I already need a job. at our education is if i was to go into the workforce right now and you got the piece of paper job yeah but like you still made that work while doing it just the type of brains you have is pretty remarkable barbara yeah well you know what i used to do is i used to um i spent two weeks trying not to sleep that was one thing that i did where i just wouldn't let myself sleep for two weeks no drugs no drugs totally sober i tried to beat sleep failed um i used to walk around the place that i lived there's a little library that i used to walk around there all ends of night like singing these songs out loud to myself and everybody kind of thought i was nuts so i think that i was just the relative the the resident crazy person at that time i also was completely broke like my parents didn't give me any money for college so i didn't have any money and i didn't want to get a job because i felt like the second i got a job i wouldn't be able

to write music anymore which is totally false and completely wrong but at the time i was like i i'd rather sleep in a box on the side of the road and write music than have a job, even if it meant, you know, being able to, you know, eat something besides ramen noodles for a while. And yeah, we ate a lot of ramen noodles in those days. And we didn't like, I kind of missed out on the cotillions or whatever people do, like the fun stuff. But I started a band and that was what was what I was into that's what I wanted to do I wrote a lot of songs in college and we still play a lot of those songs today so the songs were were like uh written durable they were written for the long haul why did your parents

not give any money for college weren't you well off were you well off or no did you get him from scholarship I mean my dad was was you know to his credit because he never really made a lot of money ever in his entire life um he never had a decent year he never made any money in the stock market but that guy saved and looked after every penny that he got and so he definitely was the reason i was able to do these kind of cool things and he did it wasn't easy for him to do it so i give him a lot of credit for that but he didn't have any extra money for me to go take and spend on beer right you know like we didn't have tv in my house when i was a kid which kind of might be part of the reason why i'm

like such a good guitar player is so at least comfortable on the instrument. Because like I was playing guitar from a young age. There was what kids do in their house. They watch cable. We never had, I'd never had cable. I didn't have cable till I was 28 years old and it came with the apartment that I was living in. And so, you know, it's just like, that was my growth. You're a fucking caveman,bara you're a caveman yeah it's kind of grew up in the middle of nowhere uh uh there was only like you could only see like two houses from where our house was in the middle of the woods there were deer everywhere we would just leave

the doors open and our dogs would just run in and out of the house like we didn't even have to close the doors. And so the dogs just like lived on the whole area, like the whole part. And yeah, and I would walk to school. So I didn't even really do any, I just leave the house in the morning and I would go feed myself and go to school and come home and play guitar and go to bed and then wake up and do it again.

I might not see my parents for like six days. Wow. Like who knows where they were. What about, um, what was your relationship with your mom? Uh, me and moms are cool.

Like she's very cool. She's a scientist. Um, she was, uh, she's very smart. She was basically, um,

you know, just, I don't know't know she's we get along really well i think i take after her a little bit more than my dad and are they divorced are they uh together still they're still together just like a rock those two are like a rock they just they just every year goes by no i have an older brother and an older sister Oh okay Same as me That's why we relate to each other Yeah exactly

I'm youngest They're older Six years older than me This is my whole argument for having three kids Because I have one kid And I'll probably have another one But the third kid is really under debate And I really want to have the third kid because we're the third kid and look how cool and interesting we are it's true okay you said

you didn't have any money in college how did you have money to get alcohol for the for the haircuts drinks I did something that I definitely regretted like the day after I did it. I sold my cafeteria pass for cash. Oh my God. So you didn't have a meal plan? I immediately regretted it the very next day. I tried to sneak into the cafeteria and they were like, get the fuck out of here. And I was like, oh, I fucked up. No meal plan the whole year.

Yeah. I had like $700 in cash, but I like now I up no meal plan the whole year yeah i had like 700 in cash but i like now i had no food and um and then i had to like scrap from there and figure out what to do to get money because i was gonna eat at least 700 for the food and so you know i just started scrapping you said you were good with numbers why why didn't you feel like you wanted to like be good at money i don't because i just never used it my whole life i didn't like yeah like my dad never gave me like 20 and was like go spend this you know i never had money my whole life like i walked to school i walked home like we didn't go out to places where you would spend money i didn't go buy shoes like i wore my brother's shoes you know i don't i didn't i didn't have a life where like materialism was like a

thing you know i just i i only got into material i got into materialism for a couple years in like 2010 because it was like it was popping it was cool and i was flush with cash you know what i mean yeah right so like i got in the materials i bought a watch or whatever it's just a drawer i'm just i'm just like i don't know new money it is i don't know stuff doesn't do much for me but uh i have a nintendo switch i like that that's the materialistic thing that i think who are you did you ever like fight any of those guys in the band did you ever like punch out brownie like who who'd you have the most beef with i definitely mark i mean i've punched mark at least 20 times in the face in the face at least at least i punched sammy in the face multiple times i've never punched magner never punched magnum but

mark and mark and i used to butt heads like it was our job. And- Why do you think it was? Why do you think- I mean, look, Paul McCartney and John Lennon butted heads. Pink Floyd butted heads. It's the, I'm the king of this castle thing. All the guys do it with other guys.

It's nothing unique to the Biscuits, except for the Biscuits, it was like, it was trench warfare for the biggest fight. Good morning. Who's killing who today? You know what I mean? It was just like so crazy for what was the biggest blowout between you and Brownie. I mean, there were so many, I don't know. I don't remember. The band broke up like 17 times. I don't know. I have a bottle at Sammy once for no reason, except for I was pissed because Speaker 2 and Speaker 3 Speaker 1 I got you. Sorry. It's our cameras.

Speaker 2 Who's quit the band more times. You were a Brownstein. Is it? Speaker 3 I'd like to say Mark. Definitely. Mark. Speaker 2 He quit for like a year once. Didn't he? And you had a different bass player? Speaker 3 Yes. Yeah. That was 2000. I think. Yeah. Something like that. for like a year once didn't he i mean you had a different and you had a different bass player uh yes yeah that was 2000 i think yeah something like that oh my god okay this is so fascinating me i'm just blown away by this so you basically you guys blew up you're over it yeah you came back and then covered yeah and now you're back at it. Why did you- Yeah, literally we announced the band's getting back together and then like 38 days later,

everyone else in the music business gets fired by the government. You know what I mean? Set break is not over anymore. Set break. Yeah, set break's over. Get in an ambulance and drive in circles. Right. So let's go to this hiatus years when you went into coding and stuff. All right. Was the band pissed? Yeah, yeah. But no one was going to tell me because they'd been pissed at me about so many things in the past.

They knew I just wasn't going to listen. Right. It was like, what do I care? What do I care? Did you guys have enough money to like, it wasn't as big of a financial issue. It was more about playing as a band. Like, were you guys okay financially for you to take the hiatus?

Or was it kind of like the livelihood was like on stop for a second? Oh, I mean, I was loaded in those years. I mean, the band still made money because we didn't cancel any of the shows that I didn't have the balls to cancel. Like I didn't have the balls to cancel Red Rocks. I didn't have the balls to cancel. Like I didn't have the balls to cancel red rocks. Yeah.

Right. I didn't have the balls to cancel the man in Philadelphia. You know, I, you know, all these, like we were playing the theater at MSG. I like these shows where it's like, there's 5,000, 6,000 people there. Like, or more sometimes like electric force, there was like 40,000 people. There is just like, I can't, I can't cancel those shows. You know, I can't say those shows you know i can't say that i you know i might have been a better computer programmer if i was like not

disappearing on weekends to do camp bisco you know what i mean maybe maybe not though maybe it helped too yeah like we never canceled campus go once so we did we did all the caribbean holidays in those years so i had a still had a pretty full schedule um and i was getting paid really well off those full schedules because those were all the money dates right we canceled the ones that didn't that were like you know cincinnati on a tuesday yeah cincinnati love cincinnati but the tuesday night shows anywhere in the country don't really pay that great right and so we were making great money off of that. Plus I was like starting companies

and building this like crazy code where I was getting paid very well to be the idiot in the room basically. And yeah, I don't know. I was raking it in in those years. Where'd you see? Okay, so what gave you the vision that you wanted to code? Give me it.

Where'd you see? Okay, so what gave you the vision that you wanted to code? Give me it. I was working with a buddy of mine when I was in the band, and he was building me stuff that I was just kind of like saying, oh, this would be dope. Can you build me a computer program that writes all my... The way that I wrote Set List was always very much like, okay, we wanted these songs. We want to have it in rotation. These songs, we played last time. We don't want to play them again, but we just want to play one of them in case somebody was at that show. They'll recognize one song, but they don't know the band. So we would do one song repeated from last time we were in cincinnati and then we would have a rotation of songs going on where all the songs are fresh so and i was just like why am i doing

this like why am i sitting around figuring this stuff all out computer would do this in two seconds to spit out the whole tour for me so we built that and then we um and he did all the code and i would just ask him to build stuff and and he would build it and then we, and he did all the code. And I would just ask him to build stuff and he would build it and then we would work on it together. And we did a bunch of stuff together. And then he made a company called GroupMe, which is like a group messaging app. He made it at a biscuit show,

like how to keep in touch at a biscuit show. And then they got funded and they went and made that app. And when he made that app, he was like, I can't build any more of your dumb ideas. Cause I'm- I have a job now. Yeah. I was like, what about my dumb ideas? What about the half done ones? And he was like, you could do them yourself. Just teach yourself how to do it. It'll take you a little while, but you'll figure it out. And I was like, after a while, I was like, nah, I could never teach myself how to do that. And then let me tell you, anybody can teach

themselves how to do that. It sounds crazy, but it's teach themselves how to do that it sounds crazy but it's not it's a language right yeah it's like speaking spanish if you went to spain and and spoke spanish every day like in four months you'd be great at speaking spanish it's the same thing four months later you'd be great at it and that's it so what was the one what was the idea that you thought was the best idea of all of these half ideas that made you want to finish it? I mean, look, Splice, the company Splice. What is that for the people who don't know what Splice is? Splice is a company that my friend who I'm talking about is the CEO. Well, not the CEO anymore, but he built Splice really from scratch.

CEO anymore, but he built Splice really from scratch. I kind of coaxed him into doing it because I thought it was a brilliant idea and just really worked hard to try and get him to apply his brainpower to a problem in the music business, which is what I was thinking was, man, wouldn't it be great if this super smart guy would help musicians? Because super smart guys are always doing things for people, but rarely do musicians get too much benefit from right yeah you know that stuff you know what i mean like elon musk has got a lot of companies but record company is not one of them you're right and so you yeah true so you have so you have like uh so splice is is basically like it's like netflix for music samples. You know, like if you want to make a hip hop song, you need samples for kick drums, snare drums, bass lines, keyboards, you need samples for all that stuff.

Or you need a band and nobody has a band anymore. So everybody needs samples and Splice is where you go to get those samples. And Splice is like, it's like Netflix. You pay a couple books a month and you get all the samples you want and you can make any kind of music you want. And so that was a great idea that ended up, I mean, Spice is gonna be on the NASDAQ someday. Huge, yeah. And you know, but that's the thing about Compute Code

is like, it's this weird, it's this, that's why I went into it. Cause I was like kind of jealous that I'm like walking around the country, like with bare feet, playing acoustic guitar for people. And there are these dudes who are making robots that go to outer space and urinate on a rock and then come back down.

It's just crazy what these people are building. It's simple. It feels weird to be in a jam band in this era, but I do love writing music, so it's tough. Fuck it, Barber. You are a fascinating motherfucker, dude. How much time do we have with you? Can we keep going?

You know what? I'm supposed to be on the Today Show, but let me just send him a text to cancel real quick. Al Roker can wait. I know he has cancer, but he can wait. Oh my God. Jesus. All right. We'll mute that.

Are we on CloudCord still? Yeah, CloudCord. No, we'll talk about that in a second. I want to talk a little bit about Splice, then we'll get into the music a little more. Yeah, let's talk about Splice. You got bought out? No, no, no. I still own a piece of the company or whatever that means.

I don't know. I'm never going to see that. Who knows? I don't know. It is what it is. It's cool, it's good, but you have to wait for the company to sell or something. And that company is probably going to go public, I hope. and if that company goes public i'm not selling then no no that's not when you just like own this paper that makes me feel good that's it at it but it's it's cool and i really love the product i get to use the product for free which is great those products amazing does mark get jealous that you make more money than him probably i don't know if i do mark has like

nine jobs a lot of money he's got he's got lively he's got 10 other bands i don't think i've ever we made the exact same money for years and then mark made more money than me because memphis was like on a compilation or something he wrote Memphis, so he got a big check for that. And that was the only time we ever didn't make the same amount of money, and he made more money than me. So he probably always makes more money than me. Okay, I'll clap to that.

That was a mark. I mean, look, I'm not great at making money. I think I've proven that over the years. I just do what I do. Yeah. Are you still CEO of Couch Door, too? Do you still work with that?

Yes. Yeah. What's that? Couch Door's dope. We did the New Year's shows. We broadcasted everything. I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't call myself a CEO because I make up the right music all day.

Wow, that's just what it was on your LinkedIn. Yeah, I put that on LinkedIn just to throw people off the scent a little bit. I mean, if you put on your LinkedIn like, I'm a professional guitar player, people just block you for no reason. Exactly. Okay, I got a question. I got a couple questions. I got a lot of questions.

This might be a two-part episode. We might have to do another one of these because I have a lot of things we need to talk about. You might have to be a special... I'm in the studio. Yeah have to be a special co-host sometimes. Do you get... I mean, I would do the in-studio thing next time. Yeah, when you're in Denver, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

So I feel like you're one of the first wave bands who really embrace electronic music. And no one gives you the credit for it, which is bullshit. Do you get pissed off at these guys who are ripping you off all the time? Yeah, all the time, all the time. I wanna send them all cease and desist letters. All these other, you know what I mean?

What's Suze Sound Tribe? Yeah, I mean, everybody's, I don't know. I also feel like in a way that it's kind of the one little, you know, it's the one little award that we get as the Disco Biscuits is that we're a very, very emulated band by the newer generation. Yeah, for sure. You know, every one of the newer jam bands has their Disco Biscuit mode. Yep.

You know, they all have a fish mode, and now they all have a disco biscuit mode, too. So I feel like it kind of makes me feel like maybe we've been listened to and been making good music, at least among the musicians and stuff like that. But, like, the Biscuits were the only ones doing techno jam party for a long time. Right.

We just kind of, like, were too early in that when the techno thing happened people were aggressively against the instruments that were used to make normal rock and roll like guitars and string bass right and all the real techno guys that came up kind of eschewed all that stuff and refused to use any of those instruments and just went straight electronica with it and um and we're like craft work is our biggest influence was like the thing that everybody would say because it was like cool to say that or something right and um and like so we're trying to make techno with these instruments but these instruments are not used anymore so it's kind of interesting that was one

thing where i wish we would have made more of a switch and just kind of moved past the instruments if we really wanted to make proper techno. Right. What about, are you the type of guy that cares about having his flowers? Does that something that you care about? People giving you the respect you deserve? Or do you not care, you just do your own thing?

I don't think we're ever going to get it. I'm not going to sit out and like expect people to to care i mean i feel like i've gotten some flowers over the years like we want to jam me and like i've hung out with every musician that i ever idolized as a peer which was something that was really important to me when i was younger was like met the guys in Phish when I was 15, but then I met them again as a musician, and that was big for me. I really enjoyed that.

I met all the members of the Grateful Dead besides Jerry as a peer, and it was very cool. So that was something that I liked. I just don't know if we're like a consistent brand to like wow people on the level that you need to be musically. And I don't know why we don't do that, but it just doesn't happen, I guess. I don't know.

Flowers. What flowers would you give the biscuits, honestly? What flowers would we receive? I mean, maybe roses. I don't know. Yeah, tulips. Colored tulips. I got a lot of roses and tulips in my day i feel pretty good about it you know it's like life life has been pretty good and and we've had a long career in the music business i guess we could win a grammy at

some point that would just like legitimize our whole position maybe i don't know but you know what else is there to win i mean we won a jammy when they were jammies and then they stopped doing that i mean i think maybe that's something you could do is like you're pretty good at making a show and you're a personality that's larger than life you could bring back something like the jammies where people like do it's an award show but for live musicians. We'll shoot it on Couch Door. We'll put it on Couch Door. We already have the award show.

We have the award show. Yeah, what do you like better? Do you like playing live or being in the studio? Well, I used to be terrible being in the studio, so I always liked playing live better, but now I'm getting really good at being in the studio because I do a lot of practice. I'm trying to like teach myself how to be good at being in a studio, how to be useful and how to be able to get things done when I don't have people who know how to do stuff like make drum beats, bass lines.

So a lot of like the new Disco Biscuit album, a lot of those songs have like demo versions that me and Magner made. And those are I play them on my podcast from time to time and they're they're kind of dope like i might actually put them out because they're they're very electronic and they're a little bit different than the band version but they're still really good so you know that's like more production in the studio is kind of coming in the future i think what do you think your next um get off the track per se ideas like you know how you did the coding what's the next i think that's baba g is my next get off the track idea honestly yeah oh the dj set yeah yeah the thing i did at your show i liked it like

excited i was about it it's just like it's like so weird and random and no one else in the world is doing it and like those are the kind of ideas that i end up like diving into a little bit too aggressively what is it is it different than like a regular dj stuff then or if i play a song that's a song that you know like let's say like what do you listen to just abba or do you listen to just abba actually yeah you nailed it just abba so so if i played like an abba song it would be not abba no one in abba would be in the song it would be me recreating this okay okay okay cool just like if you sat down with the guitar and played a bob marley song you wouldn't be bob marley exactly recreating the song babaji is the same thing and nobody does that everybody who djs they play they just go to you know apple itunes and they buy an abbas song and they play it for you and you know

me i would perform it in a way so i feel like that's kind of like maybe because all these i sat in la when i was living in la man i sat in studios all the time and i was probably the most famous musician in most of those studios and i was the least talented one in every single one of those studios it was crazy and and so like people know how to do these things but they just don't have the tools and technology and somebody to figure out how to make it work for them. Right. And I think like when I get deep into Babaji and like I'm like creating stuff on the fly, like playing a piano or something that like other people are going to be able to do that as well and potentially a lot better than me.

And it's going to be wild to see what happens. So it's like live looping in Ableton kind of for a lot of it or? Yeah, but I don't use loops per se. I have ways of getting around the loop. To me, the problem with live looping is the loop. It's repetitive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Like the system has to breathe and has to think musically. And so I like building little things to go into Babaji that make that happen. Okay. Which is like the sauce. That's wild. That's the sauce. Oh, my God. That's cool. I the sauce oh my god tell me about your time in l.a why'd you move to l.a well i started a gift card company that did uh online gift cards what

i started a company called it's on me it's still in business today they do if you ever go to a restaurant website and you see the little button that says gift cards and you click that button and a little screen of gift cards comes up, I made that. Oh my God. And when you buy something on there with your Canadian money, our system would handle that.

And I mean, I got the United States government tried to hack my computer system as a security measure to see if i could be trusted i guess because we were like our gift cards were starting to be used in casinos in las vegas as a form of money and if you go into there's only so many things that are legally allowed to be used as a form of money in a casino it's cash chips uh player cards and my gift cards let's go and so whoa yeah clap to that and so i and so to get approved by the las vegas casino commission they ha they hire some like russian troll farm to hack your shits and like literally and they don't tell you when that you pay them money you give them 20 this out works you give them $25,000

that's a lot of money and then you never hear from them again well in one night you are asleep in your bed trying to sleep off the weekends disco biscuit shows or whatever and then every alarm you have attached to your computer system goes off all at the same time and 80 million robots from around the world start trying to hack your stuff it's like a movie and i woke up and honestly i was just staring at the screen there's nothing i could do like it was so out of nowhere out of the blue and intense that i'm just watching the computers complain, complain, everything's good.

And I'm just like, oh my God. Nothing you can do. I didn't even know what it was. And then I called my partner and was like, what's going on? And like, we fretted about for a while. And then we got on the phone with another guy from the company who was like, it's probably that.

He's seen it before. So he knew kind of what it was. And then they called us back two months after that. And we're like, you're approved for money in a casino in Las Vegas. Oh my God. Did you like trust you? Did you knew your, your program was trustworthy? You knew it was okay.

No, no, no idea. No idea. I mean, look, I built it as well as I could, but I don't know what I'm doing. I'm a fucking idiot, dude. I barely play guitar. I mean, it's just, I don't know what i'm doing i'm a idiot dude i barely play guitar i mean it's just i don't even know how we survived it i just got lucky maybe they maybe i happen to be you know i use these systems that claim to help you in these type of things and maybe they helped i don't know maybe they i don't know maybe they broke it and didn't have the heart to tell us i

don't know but nothing bad happened and they approved us so we must have gotten through it but you know it's like there's that thing that you know whenever you people always talk about the thing that like you don't know anything until you know enough to know that you know nothing and I think in the computers I I understand that I don't know anything you know I get that that's for sure oh my god so tell me you know tell me about this hot air balloon this this rock opera why did you want to do a rock opera can you explain exactly what get that that's for sure oh my god so tell me you know tell me about this hot air balloon this this rock opera why did you want to do a rock opera can you explain exactly what a rock opera is yeah people who okay so uh a rock opera is it like it turned like okay so you know there was classical

music they made operas and then obviously when the rock guys came around there was a lot of those guys know a lot about classical music so they did operas like the classical guys did but they were rock guys so they just called in a rock opera and that's it and there's tons of them um yeah the Grateful Dead has Terrapin Station which was you know considered by the band to be kind of a rock opera they have uh I mean the great that has so many story songs it's insane so you could probably pick other ones out of their catalog the who had tommy which was the big pop one that was super famous fish had gamehenge um i feel like rush had 2112 if you remember that um there's just a ton of them. I mean, you could really go on for days. And I was starting the biscuits out. I had a lot of music sitting around and I didn't know what necessarily

to sing about. And I basically was like, well, how do I, I have so much music and no lyrics, what am I going to do? And I was like, maybe it's time that I write my rock opera. It seems like every other artist who is worth their salt has a rock opera that they wrote around the same age that I am at at that time. So I had this one song called Hot Air Balloon, which was the last song, the in a hot air balloon, that last song, which was like me kind of doing like a Bob Dylan song. So it's got that like weird rhyme scheme and it's very picturesque story. It's kind of like a bob dylan song so it's got that like weird rhyme scheme and it's very picturesque story it's kind of like a dylan song and so i just had that song and i was like you know this song i could write other parts of this song and put them over some of this other music so if you hear like a

song i have like bizarre escape which was like all the like middle eastern style music licks i had lying around packed into one song with the like him sneaking through town part in it and then i just got deep on that because i wrote a beautiful love song called fiddler which set it up really nice and then i kind of wrote a song about my girlfriend at the time because i was paying no attention to her and i was writing all the time and so i wrote very moon kind of about her really about the character and the story so there's like a lot of parallels in there and the next thing you know I had a rock opera and you would think I would have made like a great album with that rock opera and stuff like that but I feel like people hated me more for the rock opera

than they loved me for it yeah I feel like it caused a lot of problems like people were like he wrote one right after that yeah he did he wrote chemical warfare brigade right after that he got jealous which isn't head I mean his is cool too I mean I write his his is pretty cool too you know everybody it's easy it's not hard to write a rock opera I mean I just finished the space opera that we're putting out in May or April. Oh, cool. And it's a good thing to work on a larger piece of work because like every day you can wake up and hustle on it. And like, you don't have to sit around figuring out, oh, what is this poignant moment?

You know, or you don't have to do the thing that all the LA guys do, which is like, you know, and people did this like right in front of me and i was just like what is wrong with you where they would like they would like listen to the top 10 songs on the billboard and write down what each song is about and then be like which one are we going to write today and i'd just be like what are you guys doing like write a song but people do that because if you write a song about, like, about, you know, if you use that as, like, a guiding light,

and maybe you get your own story out that way, I don't know. But it just seemed very much like, it felt like a very clout-chasey way to write music. But if you have, like, a nice space opera story, like I have with the new album, you have, you know, you could sit around and be like, okay, I need this song, I need that song. I need that song. You could listen to all the different music you have and match like interesting pieces of music that you would never use for anything. You could fit them into these little situations and it's, it becomes very, uh,

you know, it becomes big after a while. You're like, wow, I can't believe all those different things fit together and creates this big piece. what a life do you hear this guy talk yeah i got the headphones on yeah i can barber you i i feel like you you are one of those thinkers like steve jobs you're like one of those guys you have these big ideas, you know, and you, I agree. I totally agree with that. I'm just like Steve jobs. I kind of have another tech question though. What do you got? Um, it goes to back to the streaming thing. What do you think is the future for like web three and virtual reality when it comes to streaming live shows and stuff like that? Well, I mean, look, couch tour is, is I built Couch Tour, and I know a little bit, but it's

pretty easy to build a streaming site, I feel like. I'm surprised there aren't more of them, but at the same time, it's a lot of work and it's very nebbishy, so you got to be up for that. I think Web3, obviously, there's a big hype circle. It works really well, but I just feel like the powers that be, why would they want Web3 to happen well but I just feel like the powers that be like why would they want web 3 to happen and I just feel like it's cool that that it's like you know it is the future on some level but I really feel like the problem with web 3 to me is it's it's like the gateway drug to complete fascism exactly you know like the second cash yeah you know like the second cash disappears and and you know they say like you control your bitcoin but the second they turn off the internet you don't control your bitcoin anymore yeah you

know what i mean exactly so you know if you have a suitcase full of cash in the 70s, you could run, you know, and like, you can't run. And the second that you get your cash, it's over. So people are like in love with Web3 and stuff like that. And I get it. But the people who are going to control that are not, it's the people who control things that, you know, might abuse the power of control are going to control that stuff if it gets to the point where it's the people who control things that that you know might abuse the power of control and are going to control that stuff if it if it gets to the point where it's ubiquitous you know gonna

make them lose money so it's kind of scary to me i feel like web 3 is very scary um you know i feel like ai is very scary too i mean especially like next, there could be a music AI bot that's out and you could make in that thing could make a space opera in like nine minutes. You know what I mean? I mean, just a whole year to write this damn space opera. Yeah. You can definitely have a bot write you chord changes and lyrics right now. Like I've seen it in the chat stuff. Yeah. Those chord changes, those chord changes are so dumb.

Yeah. Yeah. They're bad, but they're going to get better probably. They are going to get better. And then once the robot figures out how to watch your brain react to the music that it's playing you, I'm retiring on that day. When they're like, our robot looks at the crowd and puts frequencies into the speakers that adjust your face while you're staring back at it. That's the day I quit the music business. It gonna be like exactly you know what I mean it's just like how am I supposed to compete with that you know like yeah it studies your face using an algorithm developed by Tick Tock and he uses the wideness of your eyeballs to decide whether or

not it should keep hammering you in the face with bass lines yeah it only has millions of years of society to learn from. You're okay. Yeah. I mean, they already have like AI rappers and stuff like that. For sure. It's only a matter of time. I got about another three years. Everybody, all musicians, we got like three more years.

So if you're going to write a good song, write it tonight. Yeah. Well, Barber, it's been a pleasure. Thank you. This is round one. Round one. Sweet. I love it. I love. Thank you. This is round one. Round one. Sweet. I love it.

I love it, man. This is great stuff. And I just wanted to say, because I've never been on a podcast that I've been able to say this, but I'm a listener of this podcast. Hell yeah. I've listened to at least 15 episodes. I listen to you guys all the time. I think you guys have great chemistry. Thank you.

And I just really like you guys interview people that I know. And it's fun to hear everybody talk. And I'm a big fan of this podcast. Can we call you sometimes? Can we call you in sometimes when we have questions about the AI and tech and stuff? Can you be our tech advisor for the World's Leading Podcast? Yeah, I'd love that. Any excuse to fly to Colorado, that's a good excuse for me. I mean, I'll come out there, hang out.

We could do a zoom, but yeah, if you want, no, you should come over, come over here. Oh, he's been nice to do. Come over. Let's hang out. Let's be friends. Let's go eat some sushi. Let's let's be some buddies. I don't know if you eat sushi, maybe hack something. I don't know. Yeah. I'll go barefoot with you. Walk through the pillage, you know, right now. Yeah, no, I'm wearing shoes. Sorry. I mean, look at that. I mean, look, he didn't get the memo about the shoes. It's fine. He didn't get the memo. It's okay. All right, buddy. Well, thanks for being on the show. This is just round one. This is going to be a lot. This is going to be a lot. You're going to, you're going to get sick of us pretty soon here. Okay. All right. All right. Well, yeah, but make sure you keep listening.

Who's up next. Who's coming up. What's the, what's Margaret show. No, really? Yeah. I interviewed her this morning. It was amazing. I love that. I love that. Look at you guys, dude. Let's go. So you're sure the cast where can people find your podcast touchdowns all day? It's touchdowns all day. It's on all the normal podcast networks. I'm about to do episode 50. Um, I did, you know, I was doing it like every couple of weeks, kind of not on the year level of frequency. Cause I don't know how the hell you do that. It's amazing. But

I do like once a month or something like that or maybe once every two weeks but like then i was in the studio every day finishing the album so now that the album is done and basically i don't you know there's two levels of done for the album there's you can hear it and it's on all major streamers and that's we're almost there but then there's i don't have any songs on a piece of paper that aren't written yet done, which is where I am at. You know, like I need the next song to be the best song. And I'm over that level of anxiety. So now I can go back to having fun and making podcasts and, you know,

traveling to Colorado for no reason, skiing and stuff like that. Punching brownie. Look at you, Punching Brownie. We're getting punched by Brownie. I love Brownie. You never know. You never know. Has he ever hidden you really hard?

It feels like he can't really hit. Oh, yeah. Brownie has caught me in the face a few times, but that was when we were kids. We don't do that anymore. We don't punch each other anymore. I mean, look, people sat to, people had to stop. People sat me down and were like, you need to stop punching things because my hands would break and people would be like, what are you doing? You're a hands to your livelihood.

Yeah. Don't answer this. Just wink at me. Have you ever had a threesome with Brownie? Oh no, no, no. I can, I'll answer that. Definitely not. Have we? Have we never? I don't think so. I gotta'll get that. Definitely. And is the reason I don't think I know I got to think about that. Speaker 1 and I would, if I punched back, I would probably hurt my shoulder or something. Tommy Jones surgery. No one ever touches down. You got to punch up. Or even. Or save, yes. Exactly.

Go figure out world hunger or something. We'll talk to you later. I start a new business during the pod. Later, buddy. Thanks for being on the show. Love you, guys. Love you, too. Later, man. That was fucking awesome. You tuned in to the World Seventy Podcast

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