Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 205: Jake Plummer (NFL Quarterback)

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

*Call/text us and leave a message: [phone] No topic is out of bounds* Wherein Andy learns the proper pronounciation of a dear friend's surname. Party time. Also: Nick manages a "Jam Band Karen" at his local bar. Excellent. And we got one of the best interviews of the year as we welcome NFL Quarterback and champion of the fungus, Jake Plummer! Andy asks the hard questions. Jake gives the sage answers. Love yourself. Drink water. Follow Jake Plummer on IG. And don't forget to catch the band in a town near you andyfrasco.com/tour Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy Frasco & The U.N. (Feat Little Stranger)'s new song, "Oh, What A Life" on iTunes, Spotify  Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: The U.N. Arno Bakker

Now, a message from the UN. to my friends I got drunk again God damn Even got into with my mom Gonna be hearing about this one till she's gone Don't know how I got

so fucked up in such a little time like I was maintaining. But we all know that's a lie. Why, why, why? My, my, my. I got drunk again. Why, why, why? My, my, my. Why, why, why?

I got drunk. God damn. Goddamn Take one Jake Plummer Jake Plummer Football man And we're back Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast I'm Andy Frasco

How's everyone going out there? How's you feeling? How's your heads? Are you not trying to have a fucking 11 a.m. bender? Jesus fucking Christ. By that I mean it ended at 11 a.m. It didn't start. I really was not expecting 50 people in my house.

I know. I saw it brewing at the end of the night on Saturday at Cervantes. People were like, we're all going to Andy's. Are you going? I was like, nope. I know I saw it brewing at the end of the night on Saturday at Cervantes. People like we're all going to Annie's. So you go on as like, Nope, I got shit to do. I got to write my trivia game on Sundays. I never stay up all night anymore. Yeah. You haven't really done that. It was kind of fun. Cause it was like once in a while, all the promoters of AEG were there and Jason Hahn. I talked to Jason Hahn until about 9 a.m. in the fucking morning. It's actually Han.

Jason Han? Yeah, but it's not a big deal. It's just I figured that out recently. Like Ham? Yeah, with an N at the end of it. It's like that scene in Step Brothers where they're interviewed together

and her name's Pam. You know what I'm talking about? She's like, Pam? They can't figure out the name Pam. It's so fucking funny. Well, me, I got to get to know Jason way better. So that guy rules. He's great. It's also a very good Jason. And he's a percussion player for string cheese. And so they all showed

up in my house about 3 30 AM. Not string cheese incident. Just Jason. Let's go. I fucking love it. Yeah. Holy shit. Thanks for coming over, guys. Why is Bill Nurshy at my house at five in the morning? No, it was, you know, I felt like I haven't had a party in a while, so I just... Yeah. There was actually girls at it, which is weird. Yeah. Normally, it's Menver. Because a bunch of my friends were like, we're going over to Andy's. I was like, you're girls. That's weird, usually. Usually, it's just like 35 dudes with beer breath yeah talking about

you know riding the gnar oh nick hello when you make fun of andy i'm like who are you you live in denver have i never met you before it's like you have all these friends here that didn't exist well they just want to hang out when i'm having a party yeah killed it with i mean fruition was good I didn't know they were that good. Something that's always been great. Dialed in gummies. Yep. Keeps getting better. The brand is strong. The gummies get better. They're giving us money. They're giving us money. What more can you want? Good company's giving us money. I love it. They are fire. I need to grab some on the way out today. I'll give you, I still have some from the Frasco batch. And I'm sure I'll get some more soon as I

visit them. Ooh, my monthly visit. If you know what I mean. Hello, Keith. Um, I want to start when they've paid me to give me like a giant, like golf check. No, not cause I got a deposit. Yeah, I go deposit it. Oh, you're right. It's me like trying to get that over the counter under the thing. I love it. So grab yourself some dialed in gummies if you're in the Colorado area. What's in them that make them so special, Nick? Weed. THC. Let's go.

But you know, really good THC spread evenly homogenously across every... Each bite has the exact right dosage that you need to get you through your day. Or night. Or night. I like to call them morsels. I've been taking them a night right before I go to bed. Oh, yeah.

I love it. I like to take them... I take two about three hours before I go to bed, and then two about an hour before I go to bed. Yeah. And I'm just having thoughts, you know? Yeah. So get yourself some dialed-in gummies.

And they are delicious. And they're pretty affordable, I think. I got, you know? Yeah. So get yourself some dialed in gummies. And they are delicious. And they're pretty affordable, I think. I got kind of drunk on Saturday. People were buying me tequila shots. Yeah. I got to stop being so funny. No, seriously. I like make a guy laugh.

He's like, you want a shot? I'm like, fuck. I was just talking. Well, the problem is our spot that we go to at Cervantes is the corner of the bar. Yeah, way in the back. That's where we meet. I got yelled at back there by a lady. Why? Okay. So Fruition at the the very ends doing some David Cross tribute thing.

David Crosby, Crosby, whatever. Yeah. And I did it across the excellent comedian. I did a standup version of David Cross. Yeah, no, they were playing in like, I was talking to, I'm not going to say who and his girlfriend and not even realize we're still, we're like a $6 Uber ride away from the stage. We're at the very back of the bar. Yeah, we're far. So far. Also, it's Cervantes. It's not a funeral parlor.

So we're just talking. And all of a sudden, I don't know. Somebody must have laughed. This lady comes up and taps in the door. And she goes, excuse me, David Crosby. And then we just kind of stood there. And you know what I do when people are trying to dog me. I just don't say anything.

I just stare at them. Just let them sit in it. You love when I do that, too. I love it. I don't say anything i stare at him just let him sit in it you love when i do that too i love it i just i just looked at her and sat let her sit in it and then she goes never mind as if like you don't get who david crosby is it's like first of all to calm down we're at a bar second of all he was 81 it wasn't like some giant tragedy you know what i'm saying i'm not happy he died either but like relax third of all like i don't have to do anything you want me to do just because you go up front and be part of it that's just so weird to go up to three strangers and she was like an older you know a little bit older boomer white lady vibe you know she karen does like a kid she cares she basically jam band karen

i've never i've never had like a jam band karen before it was kind of like it was so arresting yeah like dude it's just david crosby also remember like the last five years of his life he was just like mean to everybody it's like what couture yeah exactly yeah exactly it's like she's like excuse me and me and both of the other people were just like what the just happened yeah it's like dude we're not at like this isn't like the state of the union address we're in the back of cervantes yeah yeah it's a party venue it's mind your own business. You know what I'm saying? We're just like, I don't have to do anything. What if I ate David? I mean, I don't, but what if I did, I'm not required to like, I didn't like buy tickets to a David Crosby tribute show here. And this is nothing

in fruition. That was cool what they did. And it was like, sounded great and everything. You know what I mean? Well, we're talking to the homies in the back. I was like so far away. Yeah. We weren't fucking in the middle of the heat no i was like literally like by the security area almost right like where you get your coat check yeah so like off you know what i mean yeah jam band karen tie-dye karen oh man like you're a hippie but you're also about everything yeah it's like would you i get that you lost your virginity on Horde Tour. Okay, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. None of that.

Well, because that was an early Horde Tour in here. Horde Tour rules, but I'm just saying that's how old she was. Horde Tour was awesome. It was. Widespread, had the whole crew. Yeah. I'm just guessing she was there. Yeah.

So if you want to book your venues at party venues, you should sign up for Repsy.com. Yeah, you should. And then if you want to book your venues at party venues, you should sign up for Repsy.com. Yeah, you should. And then if you want to sign up for listening room shows, you could do that too. Because you can do anything at Repsy.com. Frat? Yeah, frat. Okay, you said frat in order. I like that about them.

You think Jam Band Karen would be pissed to see a concert at a frat? I don't think that she likes frats. I'm just going to go ahead and go out on a limb here and say tie-dye karen not a big frat party fan she's like okay like why don't you like listen to the music i you know what that pissed off it's the patriarchy meanwhile grateful dead's like six dudes so i don't know oh my god but reps see one cool thing they've been doing i noticed is they'll help they'll help the social chair of a frat make sure they don't get in in trouble. I love that. That's so smart. Cause you always, every like six months of the news, you see frat canceled frat, no longer having parties that, you know, whatever state college. Yeah. I love that. So they make sure you don't get in trouble.

I like that. Speaking of universities, world saving athletes. Oh, mountain twin towers. Mount union is number two in the fucking country. Oh yeah. They're good. They're good at football, too. Let's go, boys. Division three. My show pony's just fucking pumping up the people on Division three. Twin Towers. Sports guy, Andy Fresco. Mr. Sports guy. Speaking of sports, we have

Jake Plummer on the show today. Hell, yeah. I love that guy. Dude, this guy, I felt like I was starstruck when he came over the house. He just showed up in his fucking tie-dye shirt. He had like a mushroom. He brought me mushrooms. But they weren't like, they were like not so, like he brought you a lion's mane, right? He brought me a big old thing of lion's mane for the house.

What do those do again? Like energy. It helps your nervous system. That's right. And we talked about mushrooms and we talked about him being a quarterback and we talked about how mushrooms are helping with CTE. I said that to him too. That's right. And we talked about mushrooms and we talked about him being a quarterback and we talked about how mushrooms are helping with CTE. I said that to him too. Speaker 2, that's okay. You might have to eat a little bit from all your falling down on stage. I could, I can't remember anything anymore. Is he taller than you? He's actually

not the biggest guy for quarterback. No, he was my height. Cause that was kind of like his thing back in like, that was like his rub coming out of college. That's why he loved Joe Montana so much. Yeah. Also a short guy, short little guy. Yep. So we, Oh my God, you must love drew breeze. Yeah. Yeah. So I wanted to, I wanted to put out this episode before the super bowl happens. Is he technically a world saving athlete now too, even though he's not an athlete anymore on the podcast and we honor him. Yeah. And he's, and he does psychedelics. You know, I love an athlete. You go psychedelics. Let's go. Me too. That's what I was telling. I was like asking him all these questions about being a quarterback and stuff. I just love how objective it is to like, you can't just like Richard rich dad, your way into

like an NFL career. I mean, you can a little bit, you got better coaches maybe, but like at some point you're either good or you're not, you know, kind of have to be a dog. You have to be a dog. You have to be a dog. Especially in football to be a quarterback, to be in anything in the NFL. You're a dog, right? You have to love football. You have to not care about just getting smashed. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. It's pretty impressive. Yeah. I wouldn't like, I wouldn't even want to play in the NFL. Like mentally scary. Yeah. Even if I could physically do it mentally, I wouldn't want, he said the biggest hit he ever hit was straight in a hand. Just straight hand, Michael, straight hand, just getting

his tailbone and he just tackled over from the back. And he said it was the worst. Fuck. I mean, that guy straight head is what? Six, eight, two, two, three, 10. You're not that tall, but he's big and he's fast too. That's the thing about these. He was an events event, but like kind of defensive and linebackers are interchangeable. They are some of the scariest human beings on earth. Cause they're big and strong. They are so fast. Yeah. Scary. And he had the most sacks in the season balls to be a fucking quarterback. I love that. The biggest hit he ever took in his life was from the today show host today. Show hosts, Michael Strahan, gives Jake Plummer. And he was a dog in college.

Yeah, I know. I mean, Jake, I went to that game. My parents took me to the ASU Ohio State Rose Bowl game. Oh, because it was in your house. It was in Pasadena. Was that pretty close to where you were? Jake Plummer was my guy. I thought, because I loved Joe Montana.

That was my all-time favorite athlete when I was a kid. Too bad you're not a 49ers fan. That would fit you more i was more because he was older so i was yeah when i was like in my prime watching football and when i was a kid joe was on the chiefs oh right because you're like a little younger so i went to his uh i mean he's even kind of old like even i was a very young kid but jake was in his prime when i was a kid yeah he was he was good he was that arizona team was good and um he had 161 touchdown passes in his nfl career it's good and 161

interceptions exactly equal which is actually not bad yeah and he likes um he likes how um he likes because he's a scrambling quarterback so he loves like jalen hurts and yeah dude jalen hurts is the man who thinks gonna win the super bowl eagles yeah, I do too. I watched both games. I think they're better. They're just, I think they would have beat the Bengals too. The problem with the chiefs is all their wide receivers are hurt. They're banged up. The Eagles have the best offensive line, which usually that that's usually how you win. And they have the best. I think that Riddick guy on the Eagles, he can't believe he didn't even get nominated for defensive player of the year. Yeah, it's fucked up.

He had two fumbled things yesterday in the pick. It was crazy. Yeah. So I'm going for the Eagles too. Go to Philly. Shout out to Philly. I'm just happy to see Bengals fans mad. Yeah.

It's always good for me as a Browns fan. So you're going to love this interview. Yeah. And guys, I just saw the ticket counts for the West Coast tour. We're going on tour with Big Something. And they're pretty good. I'm just kidding. I was kind of nervous. Really? I was like, you know tour we're on going on tour with big something and they're pretty good i'm just kidding i was kind of nervous i was like you know we're a month away and we're like um we're not we're sold out in a couple places like nevada city and we're getting close

to selling out in seattle but the shows that i was worried about like san diego almost sold out that's good because you didn't like larsha we didn't do but that was the height of covid right at the beginning of the tour and those west coast liberals you know yeah and i'm playing the troubadour get to go home west coast liberals chill out yeah i remember they were like more they're like still wear a mask in their car you know i'm vaccinated people i'm vaccinated i'm trying to be more edgy so we can get more clicks oh hot um but yeah thank you so much for buying tickets, but keep buying them. I want to sell out Portland. We're in a bigger room in Portland. I want to sell...

What room? Aladdin Theater. Tell them because they have cool venues. So maybe if it's a cool venue, it'll be more likely to come out. Yeah, we moved up to the theater in Portland. Ooh, Aladdin. Yeah. I can show you the world.

Our shows with Motet are selling pretty good in Salt Lake City. I mean, it's selling good. We just need more help. So I know it's a month away. So this is when everyone starts prepping and buying tickets. So go buy your tickets to our West Coast tour. Are you doing Seattle? Oh, yes. That's cool. I love that place. Yeah. Seattle's almost sold out. Tractor Tavern. One thing I've noticed, I think tickets are coming back up a little bit. Oh, yeah.

But one thing I have noticed is people are buying them closer to the day of the concert, which makes sense because people don't have as much money because of the economy, so they're probably... Yeah, and WACaka's been way better. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. Because a couple shows at Cervantes, it's been like a week or two out.

And they're like, ooh, God. It's scary. And then it sells out. They both sold out. Yeah. Yeah. So grab your tickets for our West Coast tour. We're back.

We're finally back on the West Coast. Yeah. God, I can't believe how many people listen to the Barber episode. Those disco fans. It's amazing. It's like those disco fans just hide in the crevices. And then when it's time it's like they they those good fans just like hide in the crevices and then when it's time for them to show up they show up yeah it's a cult shout out to ketamine and nitrous yeah and ivy league schools and ivy league

dude that's dude that's wild about the biscuits though you'll be in their crowd and you'll just turn and talk to some guy and you're like he's on ketamine and then he's always in a balloon like talk to some guy and he like is on ketamine and then he's always in a balloon like he's like i'm cpo of safeway seriously it's like that because they're smart like it's weird it's like a thing i don't know it's a cult shout out to barber um all right guys have a great week be safe out there yeah let love be your source so don't bother people just because don't bother people just because they want to have a good time in the back of the bar. I'm a human being. I'm sorry. Don't care in us at a music show. I get if it was like a...

We were up front yelling. Or if it was like the David Crosby tribute with fruition. Celebrating the life. No, it was like the end of their set. Like I said, it was a $6 room. And we were literally in the back of the bar. Yes! Come on. Be nicer. You go closer then. I know you just want to show your opinion and stuff,

but we don't need your opinion right now. I get it. You like David Crosby more than me. You win. I know. It's more insulting that she didn't say that when we were listening diehard to all the fruition songs. Thank you.

It's like, oh, so you don't respect that band? You more respect them doing a cover of your fair band no she was over there selling her pins during the whole fruition show in this season or whatever they were selling you know you peddling her heady wares be nice okay we're nice too we gotta be nice too we can't we can't be i'm only reacting we can't be approaching happiness for the week and then talking about i'm just saying don't hurt other people's happiness that's all okay yeah let everyone have a good time yeah and you know who else i'm talking about you know who i'm talking about yeah let me have a good time yeah you you unnamed person unnamed person

brian no but i'm just kidding brian's been good yeah you're starting to make money so it's like he likes you more he does okay oh I'll clap to that. I'm on the high of the food chain now, baby. I'm medium. I've seen some of his other clients. It's fun. Okay. We're done.

Bye. Bye. Holy shit. Jake Plummer is in my fucking house, dude. How's it going, bro? It's good, Andy. It's cool. It's nice to meet you and be in your house.

Bro, I am so stoked for this. Before we talk about your life early on, I want to talk about what made you so fascinated with mushrooms? That's a great question. I haven't stopped being fascinated from the moment I became fascinated. And that's really the fascinating part. It's just continuing to be guided by them and ingesting them and really just learning from them.

And they've healed my body in a lot of different ways. And I don't know if I'm even allowed to say heal, but I feel better. I feel better. I feel better. I feel more confident. I feel more in tune with my body. I feel like I'm doing everything that I'm supposed to be doing to live optimally.

So yeah, I mean, when it first happened, I guess it might've been the first time I took some psilocybin, like back up in the mountains on a family backpacking trip. Was this post professional football career? some psilocybin long like back up in the mountains on a family backpacking trip and uh post uh this was probably early on in my college career okay yeah and so up in the mountains and you know we go up to the sawtooth mountains and and i nibbled on a little bit and went on a hike and i can remember everything about the hike and everything everywhere where where I went. And it was just a beautiful day.

And I had a couple more instances where I had taken a little bit of psilocybin, like a concert and with some friends one night. I never went deep into that medicine, but I remember, I can remember those nights. I remember who was there. I remember what I was doing. And it's just like, I can remember the heightened sense

of feeling and seeing and hearing and tasting and what it did back then so i didn't really wasn't fascinated by them but i knew like wow that's crazy that's a mushroom and it's illegal like it grows in the ground out cow pies like this is strange and then now coming around to foraging with them uh my buddy dale jolly who i started umbo with him and then rash Rashad Evans is our third co-founder. The guy from UFC fighting? Yeah, Hall of Famer. Great dude.

Total spiritual in touch with being one here on earth to help change the world and help it better. So yeah, then I started taking tinctures and forging and finding them out in the woods. And then all of a sudden, wherever I went, they would just be showing up. Everywhere I would go, I would find mushrooms. And wow, I just was so blind to this. I'm fascinated that now they're here. Like they waited for me to see them and now they're everywhere. Like it's just so weird.

And I know other people will probably feel the same way. Once you start going out into the forest and I'm not looking for them, it's almost like they find me or they, sometimes I think they come out when they hear me coming or something I touch, if I can, I'll go and I'll touch every mushroom that I see when I, not everyone, but when I see one somewhere, I go and touch it and say hi. And I believe that there's a communication there. You know, these are sentient, it's a sentient thing, these, this organism, it's, it's so complicated. We know nothing about it and we're going to find out so much more. And that's what fascinates me. As I dove into the mycologists that have been

doing this for years, thank you so much because they've clarified so many things and found so many new organisms. And this is poisonous. This one's this. Being astute in that, I'm not a mycologist. I'm a mycophile i love mushrooms and i really love what they've that they've done for me and many others and that what we're going to try to do to spread this word and why do you think it took this long because mushrooms have been part of our cultures and for generations generations why did it take so long for us to not be afraid of them that's a great story or a good question. I mean, that mycophobia, I think it comes from over in Europe and whatever was done there, there's a history there

of people being afraid of mushrooms because some of them can kill you. Our mushrooms and not all fungus is good. I mean, there's some bad fungus. But there's usually a counter fungus or something that counters that in nature that there's a bad fungus. There's a bad fungus. But there's usually a counter fungus or something that counters that in nature that there's a duality there. And so I think mushrooms just,

they were mis, not many people knew about them, misunderstood, as I'm learning more now in Western culture. It was really, we eliminated this entire, they just got classified in their own kingdom. But I think they said it wrong. It should be their own queendom they're the one queendom i think that they have helped start living life on earth before how they um when they first you know came from space whether it was a spore or panspermia or whatever you believe in like i i tend to believe in something that

seems feasible and i think mushrooms were the first things on the on the planet and um we're just getting reintroduced to this whole entire queendom as a food group let alone as as healing possibilities and the medicine that that they contain yeah and it seems like it's helping with like nerve damage and like you know you as a quarterback you took so many hits like ctd or is it ctt cte cte is pretty heavy and did you has it helped has the mushrooms helped you regrow those pathogens in your body or there's no way to test that or to know uh but i believe that i'm opening myself up to to find out and help others find out and see if we can turn the, turn the mycophobia into

some responsible research on, you know, whether it's functional mushrooms that we deal with here that I've been doing out in Fort Lupton, growing functional mushrooms and gourmet mushrooms that we sell the restaurants and they won't trip you out. There's two and a half million different fungal species in the world. And there's only a handful that we even know and of those, one of them will trip you out and that's psilocybin and that's a beautiful medicine in and of itself.

Very sacred, time eternal, it's been used in ceremonies for you name it. And so we're just getting back to this and people are scared because they hear the stories of somebody having a bad trip and maybe they thought they could fly and that just gets blown out of proportion one person one and then you know we don't talk about how many drunk driving active accidents that glass night exactly I mean deaths there were on the highways from a drunk driver we don't say a word about that we pop

beers in front of our kids and we just drown and drink this stuff. And it's like, so it's a shift in consciousness really. And that's what's beautiful to be here in Colorado. It's really awesome to have seen what cannabis thing happened. Hemp is why I'm here now because of the hemp oils and the misconception. And no one understood the difference between THC and hemp. And that was just one plant.

But now we're talking to a queendom, which is, yeah, I'm super excited for my kids and their kids because they're going to find more out about this in 50 years, 60 years from now. I'm still going to be here. I plan on it. But I mean, it's just going to be fun to see what else we can learn from this organism

that just keeps fascinating me. Have you ever had a conversation with Paul Stamets? I haven't. I hope to meet him. There's going to be, there's some things happening as Umbo has grown and we're now recognized as a really good company that's going to do things right. You know, we're cause driven. We got a great brand and a great product and everything, but we're cause driven.

We really wanted to support Unlimited Sciences, which is a local nonprofit here, co-founded by my partner, Dale Jolly. And he's the one, he's been really big in Decrim Denver and then helping with Decrim Nature that just passed. But Unlimited Sciences is going to have responsible research on psychedelics and do it right and form what would hopefully be a place people could call to ask questions because a lot of people are curious and i i know this because when i go out and do things in public people are asking me about mushrooms they want to know yeah the same thing with me i've been advocating mushrooms now for the last four years and it got me through my i've been on the road with my band for 15 years doing about 250 shows a year so

like man i feel like i have this you know i haven't gotten hit by a linebacker but i've gotten hit by the road oh yeah man and uh that's i tried to take uh psilocybin and to you know wake up from the depression what it what is in your product that helps you with your day-to-day life well it's 2.5 that helps you with your day-to-day life? Well, it's 2.5 grams of functional mushrooms. So it's a product that has a lot of mushrooms in it. And the thing about mushrooms, a lot of people,

oh, I don't like the taste of mushrooms. I don't like the taste of that tincture. We wanted to set out to make a bar that tasted really good and had 500 milligrams of five different mushrooms in it. That one has sporia sclerotia, tremella, oyster, and then I believe it says it on the lion's mane and reishi, I think. The other bar has shiitake, cordyceps, lion's mane, reishi, and turkey tail. Yeah. And it tastes good.

So people can like, oh, yeah, I can take my mushrooms. This is good for me. And this bar is really, really, tastes good. So people can like, oh, yeah, I can take my mushrooms. This is good for me. And this bar is really, really, really good. And so being able to bring something back into introducing it to people, there's, I don't know, there's just a fear there. There's a trepidation on, I don't know about this. No one's told me about this. But for some reason, we can, as athletes, have that voice

if it's something we believe in. And I didn't get into hemp uh to make money i didn't start my own brand i didn't do anything i got into it because it helped me feel better i felt better my headaches went away my inflammation started to go away i was much my rest was much better i bel and it helped me so i'm going to believe in something if it helps me yeah these mushrooms have done the same thing my inflammation i don't really feel any inflammation in my joints anymore how long did it take uh it's been you know through the process to where i'm at now it wasn't just taking mushrooms but it was the mushrooms and and you know i do a hemp when i

need it um not that much cannabis anymore it's too much almost play in your brain um it just i feel a little too i feel like i'm not completely in control yeah and i don't mean that in a bad way but i just i don't like feeling super high right i've done that now i like to get lifted a little bit but just enough to like and that's what i think the mushrooms just your senses are so much more alive so you feel things a little more you don't need huge loud noises you You don't need all this excess because you got enough where you're at. I fucking, Jake.

I fucking love you, dude. This is my dude. We got a crowd tonight, dude. Yeah, you're welcome. Dude, so, I have so many questions. Okay, when you're in that much pain, you put your body through so much.

What was the biggest hit you've ever hit that you still remember feels like it fucked you up for a while? There's it's different because some of the ones that were looked horrible and they were in the moment. It was I didn't get hurt from them. It just hurt right then. And then I was OK. There were some that were worse were like just like getting my tailbone grazed by Mike Strahan, Michael Strahan's face mask. He came to get me and I ducked under him,

but his head helmet hit me right on my top of my tailbone. And so that one lasted for like six, seven weeks. I mean, all the way through that was, I carried that the rest of the season. If I landed on my back on a sack, oh, it hurts so bad. I mean, it was just for a couple of weeks, it was like, oh, I can't land on my back. It's almost too much. Those kinds of ones were the ones that you had to play through. I'm not going to, oh, my tailbone hurts.

Nah. What about the concussion protocol when you were playing versus now? I mean. Yeah, there wasn't, they had, they'd started to have the test for people that got concussed, go had, they'd started to have the test for people that got concussed, go in at halftime, take the test.

In fact, when I got back in the game, my last game here in Denver, we played Sam Fran and Jay got a concussion in the first half. I went in, gave the ball to Mike Bell. He went down. We ended up scoring and going in at halftime. Then Jay came back out and finished the game and we lost. So nowadays he wouldn't have been ableay came back out and finished the game and we lost so oh nowadays he wouldn't have been able to come back out no that's just you know that's how quickly it's progressed just

since that's 16 years ago um but even then we saw this year you know they do it didn't his hands and that guy there's a there's a way to fix that to assign this what is it this is if you get concussed and you want to play next week that you can never sue us and your brain is on your hands right go back in have fun kid you can go to the bloodbath if you want you can do the damage you want and the fans can say what they want but if you want to do this you can do it if that was how it was you know then i don't think it wasn't like that it's his body you can do what he wants with it was was it like that when you're playing or no oh guys would come off not they weren't there yeah and then usually they would keep him out if we had

a backup or someone there but if our we needed the body he was going back out what was the most concussed you've ever been and had to still execute i got knocked out probably uh i know i can recall instances of getting knocked out on the field at least two to three times two for sure levon kirkland i tried to go low into the end zone and his knee hit my helmet right into the ground and i oh my rookie year and i got the ball in this next play and i went to go i supposed to hand it to the tailback and i gave it to larry sinners and he's like what the hell man and i was like i don't know man what i'm ah and then and then i came back and the other time i got drilled into the turf trying to dive in for a touchdown and uh i hit my head going in

and i knocked him out and i came back to i was out and then i heard the crowd come back into it and then uh fullback joel makovica came up and looked at me he's like you all right and i was like yeah i'm fine he's like where are we i'm like dallas like what's the score he's like i know what the score is i didn't get in the fucking end zone let's go so i i came back quick but i was knocked out yeah so how many other times i was my head was rattled you know i got hit and sacked a ton yeah that's thank god i was able to move like i was and avoid the other like you know times that exponentially i would have been hit way more there's no way i would have lasted 10 years so uh i don't think much about that though the ct to get back to that

is it's a it's almost like you know what's the prog what's your future hold if you're in the music industry for too long like what are you going to be like are you going to develop some kind of play the guitar for 50 years your shoulder's probably going to be a little fucked up and in this position the rest of your life. Unless you do stuff, yoga, which is something I alluded to, these mushrooms aren't the only answer. It's just made me more aware of how things make me feel.

So instead of, I'm just going to sit here and watch TV, no, I'm going to get up and sit down on the ground and watch TV and stretch because I got 30 minutes here to just move my body. If I don't move, I get stiff. I get cranky. I get in a bad mood. I get depressed. I yell at my kid. And you go down that tunnel. But if you move and you keep going and you, you know, I do yoga as much as I possibly can. I do a lot of breath work and meditation. And it's not like I'm three hours a day. I just sit down for five minutes sometimes, do some breath work, have a conscious intent for the day, and I go. What was the most depressed you've ever been in your life? It's probably here,

not during the pandemic, but leading up to it. And then pandemic hit, and it was right when I decided I got to go. I got to get, I've helped raise the kids to a point. Like now it's time for me to get out of this house and go accomplish and do some of the things I've been wanting to. But I've been having my family be the most important thing. And it almost got to where it was too much. And so as that navigating that relationship with my kids, my partner, and then the pandemic, and we were forced to like, now it hit pretty hard, but that was right about when I started taking the mushrooms and then also, you know, was introduced to some ceremony and some... Ayahuasca?

Yeah, Ayahuasca. Tell me about your experiences with Ayahuasca. You know, what I share from those experiences, you know, I don't talk much about them, but I do know that coming out of them, I don't fear death anymore. And death happens and we can't fight it. It's going to happen when it happens. Hopefully it's a long time out. That's my plan is to preventative medicine

is I think what these functional mushrooms hold too. It's just mending your body so you are optimally living now and further into the future, because we're not stressing our bodies out, you know, and I've lost the track. No, no. You talked about being, it's about learning how to be present. You've been talking about this throughout the whole conversation.

How hard is it? It was ayahuasca. Like living is what I had been afraid of. I mean, living isn't like coming down here. And I was like, sweet, this is bad. I would have been like thinking myself into, oh, what do I got to be? Do I have to be going to be who I am? Yeah, it's you, dude.

I reached out and said, hey, you going to do a podcast? I said, sure, let's do it. So for me, seeing that and having that revelation under the medicine of grandmother medicine, which is, I was really close with my grandmother, really, really close. She grew up, I grew up across the street from her, my mom's mom, and she was very influential

in who I am today and how to treat people right, how to live like a Christian, even though I'm not religious, but have those real Christian values and treating people with respect. How do you want to get treated? You treat people like that. If someone's mean to you, don't be mean. You be nice back to them and make them have to deal with that. And so it's a lesson that I'm still learning to this day,

but the ayahuasca definitely showed me to start living. When you were an athlete, were you a dick? When? Like professional year when you're making money. But like more specific as far as like out in public, in the locker room. In the locker room with your teammates. There were times that I wasn't, you know, perfect teammate or I might have like lashed out, gotten shit off my chest.

Yeah. Or, you know, it was just like, hey, if a second string or third string quarterback threw the ball to Rod Smith, I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? It's my rep, get out of here, you know? Not in a mean way, but like don't make me even have to say that. Like I'm out here because I'm number one

and I'm going to throw to my guys and then you get what's next. And it wasn't me being a dick. It was just, I wanted to throw to my guys because I wanted to get all the practice in that I could so I could be the best that I could. Yeah. And have you always been like that? You've always wanted to be the best at something? Very competitive. I never, I guess it's not being the best at that, but actually doing my best for my team so that we could all achieve what we're supposed to do. I was very very unselfish as a teammate i mean i worked my

ass off and it wasn't so i would be like oh jake plumber was the best quarterback ever and i wanted to be on a team that was like the best and my that my teammates loved me and i loved them and we played well together and it meant something so yeah i'm super competitive two older brothers i have to be yeah that's how i grew up what was it what was your life like in um with your parents growing up were they they forced you to be competitive or they let you be who you wanted to be well to having two older brothers you know immediately was as soon as i could catch the ball or you know was able to throw it with them you know they had their standards yeah touch it you touch it you catch it like okay I'm diving in the yard as a four-year-old, smashing into trees because I can't let my brothers down.

You know, they were my idols, you know, my big brothers. So my parents never forced me into anything, really. They saw us on a path of sports that we loved it, and we loved to watch it, and they put us into sports. But it was never more than I could handle. It was how I liked it. And back then, it was never uh it was never more than i could handle it was how i liked it and back then it was you know i'd play little league and play or play optimist then i go into playing basketball for my junior high or high school and then play baseball in the spring and

then the rest of the time play handball play tennis play golf ride my mountain bike you know whatever i was playing non-stop what's the difference between being present now, how you view being present, versus how you were present when you're an athlete? My present now is much more connected to the people around me. Where when I was playing, I was distracted by a lot. Because as a quarterback, what do I got to see? I got to see everything happening around me and then sense what's happening back here and even sometimes know exactly what's coming from behind there's just a you get to that ability of spatial awareness so when i be in a crowd and

say going back to a reunion or something where there'd be a lot of guys you know you're going to see a lot of old teammates and there may be four or five you really want to see and i'd be talking to one that i i wanted to see but i'm like we weren't tight like i was with my backup quarterback right and he just came in and i'm like and so my mind would half of it would but now i've been able to just rule that like all right cool he's here i'm with you right now and i've really felt like being able to drop in like that just makes stronger connections and you feel more from somebody when you do that and that's what i like to do now you know i go to appearances i hate when it's just rifling them through signing autographs yeah i'm gonna say hi it's like okay okay these the ones i go to now are they're more

a little bit social so i can chat with people and share a story with them or ask them you know what's up with you and they have questions a lot of people share some stuff that they're going through with me because they feel like they can. So, you know, the game was awesome. I loved it, but it put me into the position I'm in now to, it's not having a voice. It's just being able to be authentic

and live what I'm living. And people go, okay, he was always pretty real when he was playing too. Like, I remember him getting in trouble and hitting that fender bender and all that shit. But he owned up to it. He said, yeah, I was stupid. My anger got the best of me, and I'm going to try to control that,

and I won't let it happen again. Life goes on, right? What were you like with – I see how you were with your teammates. What were you like when people were trying to tell you what to do, like coaches and bosses and stuff? I think the good coaches that I had, like Kubiak was really good at knowing, there were times on the field where he may show,

like be pissed off if I wasn't practicing well. But most of my coaches would do it off in the office, just me and him, like one-on-one, because they knew, I was pretty fiery. And part of me was like they rip on my guys they rip on everything sometimes there were guys that were just whipping whipping boys and uh a coach that's now up here at cu was just hard as hell on some of these young kids and it's like that wouldn't have happened i would have turned around taking my helmet off and he said hey you

know what you can coach me but you start saying that about me let's go don't say that i can't turn around and say that to you without getting cut so you better watch your mouth or i'm going to you up yeah and even if he could have me up i didn't care but i would i didn't ever have a whole lot of those experiences but there were a couple where it was like an o-lineman and i an o-line coach and I were like, they had to hold us back. He was pissed off at me. Why? What'd you do? Because he was,

I went over to, he was talking to his O-line, the O-line in Arizona. He was talking to his group and I'd just been through a few shitty series, sacked, hit, no time. I walked over and he was talking and I just like cut right in.

I was like, I don't care what he's saying. You just need to fucking start playing better. All of you start playing better. I'm going to step it up. You're going to step it up right now. This is bullshit. We're better than this. And he's like, don't you talk to my, to my low line. And I said, this isn't your fucking old line. You're coaching my old line. And he stood up and we went after it. Yeah. And then after the game, you know, that's the beauty of the game. We hugged and he had more respect for me, you know. It's totally my lineman.

And it's not that I was trying to thwart, you know, who's in charge and the authority. But it's like, this isn't the army. This isn't life or death. This is a game. And I know that the head coach has to be the general and be in charge. But you know what? That means he has to treat us right, too. If he wants us to treat him,

then you don't berate me in front of the team. Especially me, I'm your number two. I'm actually number one. I'm number two under the owner and the quarterback. Russell Wilson's number two in Denver. They fired the coach and they're looking for a new one for him. So you don't want to abuse that power,

but if you have to step up and make sure your teammates know that i'll step up if i have to if this coach is like not doing right you know and i even stepped up to shanahan a couple times yeah he was a dick right no not really he just was he expected something that was sometimes unattainable he wanted you to do your best and always like with preparation there's no reason why you shouldn't make that throw. And it's like, well, there's a lot of reasons. There's 21 other reasons on this field that that throw could go wrong. If someone doesn't do their job or oops, he's in the middle of the throw,

you know? So he just expected a lot and I was fine with that, but there were just, we didn't have a whole lot of, you know, bad ones, but there was just like that last year was tough. What about Ricky Williams?s he's in i interviewed him last year and he's he was he was you know he was talking thc before everyone was talking thc too well he took a lot of he he man some people said some really nasty stuff about him when he let you know because of his you know marijuana habit yeah you want to say, or his using the medicine. Yeah.

And that's crazy. Ricky's cool though, man. I've had a couple of great times with him in Kauai at the quarterback challenge, actually. We hung out and stuff. And I'm going to be doing yoga with him in Phoenix, February 11th. Really?

We're putting on a remembrance is what we're calling it. And it's a holistic health naturopathic medicine bazaar down in chandler and so we're having a bunch of former athletes and sonoran university down there with their graduates they're coming back you know from sound baths to acupuncture to pilates me ricky and another lady are going to lead an hour yoga class. And I'm just trying to present this to some players that are so ingrained in that NFL lifestyle that it's almost like they're scared to say,

hey, I want to go try a sound bath. Oh, man, what do you mean you want to do a sound bath, man? That's for pussies. But if they come to me and hear that, I'm like, dude, it's amazing. Tell me about a sound bath. It's just with gongs or healing bowls and you just lay down and start breathing and then you feel the music.

You're a musician, man. Yeah, but what does it do to your body? All kinds of stuff. I mean, if you're open to it and relax and sometimes it teaches you that you're uptight and you need to fucking relax. Right. Because you're laying there twitching and not moving

and like, wait, hold on, it's music. I don't do a lot of them but i've done them before and i'm really like anything like that if it can help calm you down or even the the effect that it has on your cells or what we maybe don't even know what it does but sound is the sound of the heart you know when you're in your mother's the first sound that we live by it's a rhythm it's a beat and so you're a musician you know man you get in that moment you don't even know what's happening it's just coming through you and so yeah there's there's the sound bath's good it rearranges the cells and and yeah you can drift off into a really deep meditative state and it's beautiful feels good you know to disappear like that sometimes for 20 30 minutes it's bliss do you wish you had

psilocybin when you're a quarterback hmm as far as just having it just taking it like a microdose before a game i don't know i mean i would love to go back and see what it would do you never done that ever like yeah i never never ever went there yeah i would love to go back and get get high and go play and see what happens yeah that'd be cool i think i'd probably have amazing glimpses of like oh my god how did i make that and then like what happened to the ball i couldn't hold on to it i actually handed it to the other guy like because like you know for me you know i mean i i don't use cannabis a lot irregularly anymore yeah body feels good now i don't have headaches. The mushrooms have helped with inflammation tremendously, like to a whole nother level. But then again,

also with clean diet, yoga, breath work, clean thoughts, clean words, trying to be as living in linguistic reverence, I guess is the word. Just being truthful to the word and saying how you even talk about yourself or CTE, as we spoke earlier. It's like, I want to eliminate these guys that have that to look forward to. We all got to face death. Facing CTE

when you don't know when and they could tell you there's guys that they die at 42, they check their brain, they have what could be CTE. And it's like, I had it at 42. They check their brain. They have what could be CTE. And it's like, I had it at 42. Like, well, let's see if we can reverse this. Like, go play ball and then come try this beautiful nature that is here for us at our disposal.

Let's see if we can give you a better outlook than, hey, good luck. You're going to have arthritis, CTE, be depressed, and probably take your life and shoot yourself in the chest so we can research your head yeah like junior say yeah what the you know like that's not something you want to look forward to like oh great i'm just gonna have cancer i'm gonna have cancer yeah if you say that and believe it enough but by you know i believe that words have so much power oh yeah thought too in our own brains like we just we don't use much of them but i believe that I'm using more of mine now than I ever have.

And it's just being open to... Yeah, what was stopping you before? Sometimes just bad thoughts. Did you like yourself when you were young? Not eating well. Sometimes binging on crap. Not being active, not moving every day. Uh,

never, I've never ever had self hatred or anything like that. Um, for me, like you asked earlier about being like in the now and the present, some of, some of me has been out of that, like,

which shows me that maybe I wasn't happy. And when you're happy, you never really are complaining about the day. You're like, I had a great day. But when you're not doing anything and you're not happy, you find things to complain about. And like, then you look at yourself and maybe you don't like yourself that much.

There's been some times, there's been some things where like goals of mine that just never were happening. And I had the same lists going on and I just would start something and then something would get me off of it. Like what? Being probably one to be really involved with my kids. and I had the same lists going on and I just would start something and then something would get me off of it. Like what?

Being probably one to be really involved with my kids, which it's not a sin. It's just, I didn't have someone here to say, hey, be involved, but you also take off, go chop down a tree and make a statue or do the shit you want to do. Your kids are going to be fine. And now I'm learning that, like get away,

go do your things, come back, share with them. They're going to be much more inspired know rather than dad sitting around being a did you have a wife or were you a single dad no i'm married still yeah yep how did uh how how's your relationship with your wife throughout that through the career is getting better it's been really interesting and super fun and we're at a stage now where we realize like our kids are really most important thing. We still love each other and, and do things together as a family,

but we're also, she for nine years was, you know, raising babies and breastfeeding and old mom. And so now that she's out of that, she's got a lot of things she wants to go do. So we've, you know,

we let each other go have some fun. Yeah. And not together because we've been together so long. It's time now for like, hey, you're going to go do that, do capoeira and go learn how to break dance. And there'll be a come, you know, whatever you, yeah, go do that. And then when you come back, I'm going to go out and I'm going to go do this because I'm being called to go

on a path that's going to take me to, you know, this year is going to be phenomenal year. It's already starting off to be badass. I'm on your podcast. Let a path that's going to take me to, you know, this year is going to be a phenomenal year. It's already starting off to be badass. I'm on your podcast. Let's fucking go. Let's go. Jake. Jake fucking Floor.

This is crazy. Okay. How hard was it? You got time? Can we keep talking? Cool. I think you guys, I told you my cutoff. All right, cool.

Perfect. I just got to get to mile high and show my face. I love it. God, this is amazing um okay how hard was it to find a hobby after football it was really easy because i went right into the handball court oh that's what you loved yeah i loved i really my four years here in the off seasons i would go and just start playing handball what'd you like about it it got your brain off of playing being a quarterback um well playing singles was was interesting for me because i didn't have a doubles partner to cover me and i didn't have teammates i was playing bad it was all on me right and so that was fun to go into singles, but very hard because I really had never been much of a solo athlete, like golf, tennis. Yeah, but I never had excelled at those.

I was better on a team. And I just loved the camaraderie. I could play with my brother. I moved to Sandpoint, so my brother and I would play doubles, and we got really good. We were one of the best teams in Idaho. It was camaraderie, drink some beers beers go back out and play laugh yeah and get that physical feeling and get the get the anger out sometimes and smack the ball hit it as hard as you can cuss and yell just kind

of get into it so it was really a good outlet um i really enjoyed riding riding you know mountain biking i haven't been doing as much of that lately uh but when i lived up there there were trails i'd ride my bike a lot um getting a hobby was kind of tough i didn't really plan my retirement out as right didn't you leave when you got traded and were you going to tampa bay or something my idea was perfectly set in place and then we lost to pittsburgh you know it was like i had some reason, I was destined to go to win a Super Bowl, and that was the year, and that game just didn't happen, and I wanted to retire after that season.

Oh, so you knew. I was ready to go. I knew like, okay, if you win a Super Bowl, you reach a different status. It could become hard to retain your anonymity, and to some degree to just be able to go walk down the street certain places yeah i just really wanted to feel like i could react and relate to people without it being like somebody meets me they don't know who i am they kind of blow me off like yeah yeah and then they come back like oh my god i want to get your picture with you and i'm like okay yeah you're

just gonna blow me off like I'm some cheap ass. Especially now my long hair, I go, oh, you think I'm just some homeless dude hanging out and then now you find out you want to come back. But now I'll call them out on it. And like, you know, hey, yeah. Thank God. You were just kind of like, you didn't,

I said hi and you didn't even look at me. Now you want a picture? I'm like, that's cool. Come on, man. You probably booed me when I was playing. You know, huh? He's like, hey, what? I'm like, it's all right.

I forgive you. I just have fun with them. You know, it's, it's, uh, so yeah, that I wanted to retire and then I wanted to retire with the MVP trophy and like, peace out. I came to get a Superbowl ring, a ring, not plural, just a ring. That was my childhood dream. A body was taken a beating at a torn pubic synthesis. Uh, I didn't even go to the pro bowl i couldn't i couldn't even play i wouldn't even play and i didn't want to go denver the denver coaches were coaching the afc team i was like i don't want to see your face yeah shanahan i'm done with you we lost and we didn't make it i'm out i went to costa rica with my girlfriend at the time my wife now we went down there and just hung out i was hurting i was in i was in a lot of pain so what'd you learn

in coast did you take ayahuasca then or no no i was just hanging out surfing yeah i just had some smoke some good ganja and do you um you know speaking about that i know you said that this is it was like you in your brain this is the last year you guys were on a roll um when you when they got rid of you and cutler took your spot, did you resent him? I didn't resent him. He was a different kid. I helped him, but I never really bonded with him that much. That went down.

It was like when I got benched, the season was over, and then Derrick Williams got shot on New Year's Eve. It really was the final like, okay, yeah, I'm done. I might have been down with those guys. That kind of scares me. I'm done. I want to get out of here and see what's next. And so I retired.

It wasn't anything. I told Coach that I was done. He's like, ah, you're not done. I'm like, I'm done, Coach. I don't want to play anymore. I'm done. How's like, ah, you're not done. I'm like, I'm done, coach. I don't want to play anymore. I'm done. How many years left do you have in your contract? I think I had two.

So they wanted to trade you to Tampa Bay? So they traded me to Tampa. It was pure business. They got a sixth round pick. Tampa got either me as their quarterback that they wanted or $3.5 million. So they got the money and I said, peace out. Wow.

Yeah, I didn't want to play anymore. My body was telling me to stop. How many years did you play? 10 years. Then I started as a freshman at ASU, didn't redshirt. I went from three years of high school playing all three sports to football for 14 years pretty much. What was it like playing at ASU and then playing for the Cardinals

and playing in the same stadium that you played college and having your wild times at college? Or did you have wild times? Were you really focused? There were some wild times, of course. That's what college is for. We were balling and it was fun. You guys were kicking ass.

Yeah, well, the first three years up to it, we weren't the greatest. We did okay, but then that senior year was something special. I went to that game, actually. Ohio State, Rose Bowl. My dad took me because I was a big fan of you when i was a kid wow i thought you were this shit i thought you were the biggest pimp dude i thought uh fucking three something i thought this this idea of jay cutler or not jay cutler plumber was like this guy is my god wow

man because you really did remind me of montana yeah and i that was my hero girl thank you man that's cool thank you so what was that like going back uh yeah it was cool and you know to touch on what you just said it's really something special to hear that and and then to you know when i have any doubt about anything or i've really learned to love myself for who i am it's like you think back to like even when things were tough or maybe you weren't playing well or you've been through this transition after the game there's someone out there like you that was affected by just who you were as a football player like let alone they didn't know you didn't really know me as a human but what i did just on the field had that much of an impact and i realized like that's really i had a gift it was a gift given to me and to stay there

was a lot of fun i really wanted to go somewhere else though to be honest i've been there i've been i i tempe and phoenix area i've got a lot of friends a lot of family but it's kind of a hell hole i just really don't i like the desert out around it and i don't mind going and golfing and all that but it's just it's not my style of where i would want to live it's not something that i would like oh i'm planting my roots here in the valley where'd you want to go i wanted i loved it here in denver i mean you wanted to be a bronco i played for the broncos coming out i wanted to play for the chiefs i was like i want to play for kansas city that or or sam fran and they took sam fran had the 19th pick and they drafted jim druckenmiller to fill in for steve young who was like a scrambling, crazy quarterback, just like I was,

but they made a move to not do what Bill Walsh wanted to do at that point. And so they drafted him, but the rest is history. I went to Arizona and had some fast success. And then we had a few real tough years. It was fun. I mean, I loved Sun Devil Stadium, that grass, that surface was amazing. But those days, those game days, the middle of the day when it was 120 degrees it was like oh man it was it was hot yeah just but it was nice i mean i hardly ever played in snow and rain yeah what was harder to play in 120 degree or like snow like buffalo or something snow was nice because the ball didn't get wet rain was what i hated when it was rainy and the ball get dirty and late in the season when there's sand everywhere you you know was wet, you weren't getting a ball that you could throw.

I was hated going in the rain. And then there were some cold games in Washington, or yeah, Washington and in the Meadowlands, where it was windy, raining. Any games that you still lose sleep from? You think about? Not really. I mean, if I think of any game, it's Pittsburgh.

That was my chance to do what I wanted to do. you think about um not really i mean if i think of any game it's pittsburgh you know was that that was my chance to do what i've wanted to do and i mean even if i'd have got to the super bowl and lost i wouldn't have cared it would have been like shit i played in the biggest game yeah it on that year so uh i don't look back with very many regrets you know i mean if anything it would have been fun if i could have somehow taken a year off, stayed in shape, and come back and played for Kubiak. I would have liked to have played for Kubiak. Not that I like Houston, but it would have been fun to play for Kubiak down there. He had a great team, and he needed a leader,

and I think I would have fit that perfectly. And they really had a team that was super bold. You thought so? They just needed a quarterback? Yeah, they were right there. They made it, I think, to the AFC Championship that next year the year after but yeah and then i was the funny thing i would start one time i was like you know what i'm gonna take a ton of hemp and use cannabis start training and i'm gonna come make a comeback yeah and even i don't if i don't make it or whatever

i'm just gonna show like i could still do this and then about a week went by and my wife's like you've been a real lately and i was like really he's like i don't think you want to try to make a comeback i was morphing into this like i was morphing back to this yeah alter ego jake the snake that like i knew i couldn't go into it in like a laid-back sense of you know peaceful guy like i had to get back into like i'm a masculine man and i'm gonna tell you you could mash me to get the over there because i'm in charge and you'll do it you know even though you could grab me and slam me on the ground so you know it's a real like i had to really embrace that of me that i'm but

i've been shedding for years to get back to just be like peaceful and who i am isn't it crazy how we build these alter egos to be tougher than we are because like you are so fucking chill dude i feel like you've been like that you're always been like not always there's definitely times where i wasn't but i've done a lot of work and there's there were moments in my life where yeah i was and there's still some situations that i'm i you know that bring can bring to it you know a challenge but. But I accept them now and know that I'm somewhere that I've learned what to do or the teachings that are out there for me.

Do you need to be an alpha to be a quarterback? I don't think you have to be the alpha, but you need to be alpha-like. You have to be able to step up. And in a different way, you can be, because there's guys that have done very well that were extreme christian athletes that never ever went down to the titty bar or to the bar or got down and dirty with their low o-line or d-line at a house party and so but they've still had success but i just believe you have to be able to go to garner that

respect right and that's really what the alpha does. But the alpha in most people's minds is the wolf beats you up and like, respect me. You can earn that in different ways. Yeah. Like, hey, let's go. Like, hey, Al, give me the fucking ball back, man. I'll take, give me the ball back.

And there's two minutes, like two, three minutes left. And boom, they go out and they get the ball back. And then you go out and you take them down and you win the game yeah that's how you establish the alpha that i needed i didn't need to be to your ass and i'm dominating you i needed to have you respect me i always was wondering when you're a quarterback do you have someone in your headphones or in your helmet do they tell you who to pass to no it cuts off like 13 seconds before the play it'll they shut off really why because they don't want to distract us that would have been hell yo yo pass man it was hard enough in practice listening to mike from like 30 feet over there a different angle telling me that he was open

and like it's if he wasn't open yes he Man, that's one of the arguments I had. I was like, no, he wasn't. You're way the fuck over there. I'm here. He wasn't open. Look on film and you'll be okay. And like, people are like, what are you doing? I'm like, Kim, he's standing 20 feet away

yelling at me in my 10th year in the league that I missed the fucking in route in practice. Oh, I didn't. There was a linebacker right there. I don't miss a throw in practice. So yeah yeah it was just kind of like I love oh my God what have you learned from all your years as a quarterback now as a business owner and how you approach running a business through your hemp companies in your

mushroom company yeah um no hemp companies no hemp company yeah just just the mushroom yeah i'm a fan of charlotte's web their their stuff you know is really good um and that's what we set out with you know with umbo is to try to set a standard to be you know a very high high quality consistent product so um being a quarterback and being in business, it's really, I didn't study business, but I was in an organization as number two. Whether I was making those hard decisions or not, I was very instrumental in the success of something and realized I can do my part. I always will do my part.

The more I can do, the better, as long as I'm taking care of what I can do, but I've got to raise the level of the people around me. I've got to have the right people doing what they know how to do well also and also know how to back them up if they need. I'm not going to go play center, but I could go punt. I could go punt and kick a field goal for you. If a kicker gets hurt, let me do it, coach.

I'm an athlete. I'm a competitor. I've kicked field goals. So just as an owner, you got to have the right people around you. You got to have people that one, are passionate about what you're doing. They believe in the mission and they believe in where the vision is and where it's going. And they have to put, for what we're doing, they have to put a lot of intention into what we're growing out at the farm and Michael Love out in Fort Lupton, which is functional

mushrooms that if we plan to do what we want to do is help heal the world, then we have to put out at the farm and Michael Love out in Fort Lupton, which is functional mushrooms, that if we plan to do what we want to do is help heal the world, then we have to put intent into that. We have to grow those mushrooms with love and with singing to them. I went and talked to all of them today and told them how beautiful they are.

Do they talk back? They don't talk back, but you can feel them. Well, do you feel the energy? Yeah, you can feel them. They're just amazing. And especially Reishi is really one of my favorites it's just uh yeah it's the connection from the heavens to the earth and mushroom immortality i've been watching this um video a lot of uh the music of mushrooms have you seen this where they um you can feel like you could

feel the pulse of them connecting together. That's so beautiful. It's really outstanding. I love just some things we can't explain and never will be able to. And I love those things because that's magic to me. It's like, great, you can't explain it. This is wild.

It's singing to me. It's making a noise. And it makes you think back to when you were a little kid and you probably had conversations with mushrooms and you don't remember that because we all talk to the I talked to trees and I talked to my imaginary buddy and go over and follow the frog and talk to it that's why it's so hard to explain an ayahuasca experience I think right yeah it's hard to explain because they're so such a

wide gamut of things that can happen right every individual is different and that medicine just knows and isn't it wild how that medicine knows yeah you don't want to fight it or try to go in with go in like thinking you could take a bit two larges and then okay the first one first time you did did you try to fight it i didn't fight it it's just i thought oh this isn't i'm not feeling this and took another big dose and then it it was like, you should have waited. Be patient, young man. You know, like, here's what happens. That's when I realized that, you know, about life and death.

Did you, like, see yourself, like, dying? Not dying. It was just, I went into this dark, it wasn't dark, but it was just an expansive space and was floating and it felt better than i've ever felt in my life it was it's like oh it's like euphoric yeah then i came back and then went and then i realized like where i was and then i went back to it because i was like i want that again and then you know that was really when i you know, I came out of that not fearing death because when that happens, it's like, I don't have to remember.

Where's my wallet? Oh, God, did the kids get picked up? Oh, did you feed the dog? That's all gone. And you're into whatever happens next, which I'm extremely excited to find out, but I'm not in a hurry. I plan to go for a long time on this planet right now. I don't plan to ascend or do anything crazy. I just want to keep following my path.

Oh, you're going to be like 135. And live, man. Like, live. That's what I was scared of. Living? Yeah, I was scared to like, oh, they're dancing. I want to go dance. Someone's going to say, oh, there's Jake Plummer.

I had all these self-talk things, and then I got rid of that. And I'm like, go dance. And I go dance now. I go out and do what I want to do. I don't, and then I got rid of that. And I'm like, go dance. And I go dance now. I go out and do what I want to do. I don't let what I think other people are thinking stop me. Why do you think that is? Because you were always worried about what people thought about you? We were in a hypercritical game, man.

I play well. I play well. And the article the next week was, Jake's not good enough. He doesn't have it to take us all the way. God, so fucked up. Or somebody who was a former teammate would get on the air and actually say that he didn't feel it to take us all the way god or somebody somebody who was a former teammate would get on the air and actually say that that he didn't feel i had what it takes to lead the team and it's like man fuck you exactly i would never say that but thank you for saying that for you

fuck you and i that's how i approach now um you know with with somebody talking about uh you know me like i like i'm planning to live a long time. Why would you want to do that, man? You want to be in a wheelchair and not know your name? And I said, take that shit back. That's your thought of how I'm going to grow old. My thought is I'm going to be jumping on a trampoline at my 90th birthday. You want to come?

I'll invite you to the trampoline park. That's my vision. So fuck you. And when you say something like that person said, it puts that thought out. And other people can go, yeah, that's right. right and then that thought gets power and whether people want to believe that or not there is power in the in thought so maybe we need to change the stigma of aging yeah old is not a i don't like the word old yeah me either i had a guy who was playing handball and

i was talking to this dude going to play hoops like you should check out handball man have you ever played he's like no it looks a lot of fun but man I'm oh I'm too old I said well how old are you he said I'm 45 years old I said oh shit what does that make me I'm 40 I was 47 of them I'm 47 so am i old because I don't feel old and I think you should shouldn't do shouldn't tell yourself you're old yeah you're right man I'm not gonna say that anymore and like yeah you're right, man. I'm not going to say that anymore. The words have power. As you think so, you become.

I've been guided to this path to meet the people that I have, to spread this word. People can listen or not, but I'm going to shake up the status quo and have people approach their health and wellness in a different way. We're going to do some research. We're gonna figure out what these beautiful organisms have in store for human optimization.

Jake fucking Plummer, dude. Unbelievable, I'm fucking down with this. Yeah, I'm with you on this, bro. I'm- There's a lot of people on it. You tell me you need anything from me, man. I'm an advocate. Awesome, yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people on it. You tell me you need anything from me, man. I'm advocate. Awesome.

Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people that are, that are, I get asked more and more and, and thank you, Colorado, the state of Colorado, the people that voted for human rights,

like the human right to take nature. What a, what a novel thought. Like we have to fight in order to take something that's been growing on our continent before we were here. And then we found out it was medicine through the natives and now it's illegal and then we're going to use it to possibly treat alcoholism extreme addictive alcoholism with psilocybin and and actually help people and it's still listed with heroin and cocaine and very american of us so it's changing

though it's changing like to be a part of that. Man, football was great, but that was so small. That was so small. I'm so happy. It was meaningless, really. I mean, not meaningless, but we won, we lost. Touchdown, interception. It's still the same thing going on.

And I still like the game. It's great. Can you watch it the same anymore? I can watch it. I like watching it. I don't choose to watch it. But I'm going to watch Sunday so I can know what I'm talking about at the Super Bowl. I can at least know.

Plus, the teams in it are good. Jalen Hurts is fun to watch. You like watching those guys who can run like that? Hell yeah, man. Because you're like that. Yeah, they're cut free to be themselves, be athletes. They're not in a box. Their true gift can shine now

because they can go out and play. What about shelf life on running quarterbacks? We'll see. Some of them last a long time. Brett Favre moved around a lot. He played for a long time. He did. I think that there's shelf life there. Jared Allen, that's a different story. That guy's big anyway. He's carrying around 250 pounds.

How long will he last? I hope a long time because he's fun to watch. Before we go, I want to talk about Pat Tillman cool do you mind not at all he's your best friend it was your best buddy man one of them for sure yeah how was um how was that i mean you guys played together in college you guys played together in pro what was that like when he said he's joined the military uh i was i was made aware of it through a former teammate who was a coach whose brother had been a Ranger who Pat had contacted. And I was told, hey, you should talk to Pat and talk him out of this.

He's thinking about joining the Rangers. I was like, well, okay. Thanks for the insight. But I wasn't going to talk that man out of doing anything. If anything, I was going to join him or applaud him and wish him well. And he'd make his mind up. And it wasn't some whim or some unthought-out thing. He actually put a lot of thought into it and a couple of scenarios

with other friends, and they've reminded me of conversations that they had had with him about valuing your life, how good we have it here in America, yet we still just complain. And what's it like to maybe have your life in the hands of somebody that could take it right away? And so I think he wanted to feel that to just even dive into what life really felt like even deeper. Because when you're looking across the way

and a gun's pointed at you, all of a sudden, life gets real. Really quick. Not with the fourth down and four, and you got to make a first down, or else we don't go to the Super Bowl. Life goes on, right? And it's hard to get over that, and that's where some of the work we're doing, we want to help people with those little traumas and little things they hold on to.

But Pat was phenomenal, man. When he came to ASU, I was a sophomore. He came in on his recruiting trip and i was like who is this cat he's on a knee with long hair and wasn't that dressed up you know whatever and he's just checking people out looking around like he was a confident man he was a beautiful man yeah he also was very genuine and authentic and he cared about other humans immensely he really loved humanity he loved to talk to people. He would just like, you'd be walking,

most people you just walk by, and you'd be like, Pat would take off and never said, hey, we'll wait. And it's like, all right, we'll see you. He was going to go, someone piqued his interest and you go talk to him. It could have been a janitor or a librarian or who knows. And that's the fun thing that I bump into people

that had a moment with Pat, just one. And they were so affected by him. That's why you loved him? Because he was just- He was just real, man. He just was real. And he wasn't always like myself. Were you a dick on the field?

Yeah, there were times where I wasn't the coolest cat, but I was doing what I was in the moment doing. And Pat was the same way, man. He was what you see is what you get. So hardcore competitor, love to have fun uh was always willing to strike up a conversation on you know anything was it luck that he was on the on the cardinals or did you like convince these guys to sign them no i mean i they signed me the year before yeah and it happened that it worked out i started and we had that it worked out. I started and we had a good closeout

to the first season there and then he was coming into the draft the next year and Larry Sinners was the fullback for the Cardinals when I came out and he was like publicly like,

we better draft this kid. He'd go, he'd just tell him the owners and he was very vocal like, don't let this kid get away. There's something about it. What pick were you guys your second year?

Like, was it a high pick or was it? I think we were 12, 13 maybe. I can't remember. But yeah, and then I was, of course, like, hey, just telling you, he changes the way things operate, you know? I mean, he was a guy who went 100% even in practice. Right. And that's where you get better.

I mean, your testing ground is the game where you can make a bad play or the opponent can actually beat you. But in practice, it's on you to go 100% to get better. And so when we made our transformation before 96, we added Derek Rogers, who was another guy like that, who was there for a short time, just like Pat, who told Coach Snyder,

don't, no, don't register me. He told the coach, the head coach, don't redshirt me because if you do, you're only going to get three years out of me because I'm out of here. So he didn't redshirt him. I mean, this is Pat coming in telling the head coach, Bruce Snyder, no, don't redshirt me. And so his effort and the way he ran

and Derek who was motivated to get one year at ASU and go to the pros, he would fly around and practice. And before long, if you weren't flying around, you were standing out like a sore thumb on film. Like if you weren't pursuing the guy with the ball in practice, yeah, you stood out because dudes were flying. And then that's when our whole team ramped up.

And then we felt like, yeah, we're going to have a season. We're good. We're much better than we were last year. And when you found out he passed away, was that on you that was tough um i'd just gone through a breakup you know almost got married pretty big life-changing event and i was up seeing my brother in sand points getting away from everything and he called me up there just to say hey hey i'm getting ready to go back for my last deployment and like he called me to check on me and he was leaving that possibly never come back, which was the worst case scenario we could have had. So, you know, it was tough because I was looking forward to having him come

back and he had some stuff he wanted to share with me. He wouldn't talk on the phone about it, but he was like, I got a lot to talk about, know it'll be a time and a place for me to share some stuff that i've come across and you know he had he had a meeting set up with nam chomsky and like pat wasn't just gonna go back and play football i think people think he was gonna come back and yeah reunite america under the flag you know i mean pat pat was patriotic i mean in the patriotic sense of like pride for himself and his country. But Pat really, I don't know what he was going to do. He might have played just to make some more money maybe, but that wouldn't have been like him anyway.

I think he had aspirations to just come back and continue to make people think about how they treat others and how they treat themselves. Are you living on this earth? Are you living? Are you really living? Because between the years he was alive, he did a lot of amazing and he wasn't perfect i mean he was a potty mouth you got to dinner you just feel like jesus fat there's a three kids over here and you keep f-bombing like crazy and he didn't he just was

him you know um and he got he he'd gotten himself in some predicaments before. He wasn't a perfect man, but he sure knew how to be a friend, really a dear, dear friend that would check on people and he had a wide impact on a lot of us and I was blessed to know him. It was sad the day I found out. I didn't believe it.

I had to go call some guys at ASU and get confirmation and when it was for sure, it was just really, it was heartbreaking because I was just really it was heartbreaking because you know i was really excited to see what what was next for him what was pat going to do next you're right because he's such a big spirit what was he going to do you know that's why it's so crazy that he wanted to join the join the rangers yeah it was just like what's going on in his head like was it the 9 11 thing or what what do you think yeah i mean he had he had a lot of family that had served and like i said i think he just he felt like it was a calling for him to go to to feel

what it would be like to put his life on the line for his freedom isn't it crazy to think like the only way we're gonna be a community is if something horrible happens and why why can we just have community through just we're all living and just being human beings you know and i think there's a shift happening i feel that there's a lot of gatherings happening now communities being built right um where there's a lot of you know obviously you know you gotta know how to treat people you gotta know what the rules but just know how to come into a community and i think that we we can lack that but i think there's spaces that it's growing

and people are understanding connectivity is really can help with the health and wellness for sure. Connectivity of humans and the connectivity underneath this with the mycelium, it's just, we're being shown how it works. Mycelium helps all plants thrive. Some die, but most of them thrive because of the exchange of nutrients, of sharing.

Everything here is for everybody. And if we all were able to get a little, just a little shift in that way, I think, you know, we're going to see the earth and the world get better. Unbelievable. This is, I'm going to clap it one more time for you, brother. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, man. I know you got thank you thank you thank you thank you man i know you gotta get the mile high thank you so much for being here um anytime you want to hang out i'm serious i'm down you know i know you got your other life but if you want to take some mushrooms say hi to some plants i'm your guy um that'd be fun i got you jay i got one more question because i always end the the podcast with this. When it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by?

How do I want to be remembered? What do you want to be remembered by? Yeah, I guess just, I don't know. I think if I could be remembered as someone who just treated everybody the same. Yeah. Just was whether, you know,

whether you were someone huge or someone small. And that really, you know, we just talked about a guy that was really like that, Pat. And just if I can, you know, go out with the respect to people knowing that I was doing the best I can. And I think that there's a lot that's going to happen. So I don't want to try to predict

or steer my path in any other way than saying that I'm here to receive and to let what life has in store for me unfold. And to be in that space and thankful for the game to give me the financial freedom to pursue some outside interests like this, you know, we'll be able to really influence and help a lot of people. influence and help a lot of people well that's uh to be able to help people and kind of walk the earth as a healer not in like healing as doctor or whatever just bringing that love and bringing that feeling of comfort and just being in it being present yeah well you're doing a great job thank you man i try my best thanks for being right on andy thank you bro you tuned in to the world's health podcast with andy fresco thank you for listening Thanks for being on the show. Right on, Andy. Thank you. Appreciate you, bro. You tuned in to the World Saving Podcast with Andy Fresco.

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