Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 211: Caroline Rose & Nick MacDaniels (Big Something)

Episode Date: March 21, 2023

Call/text us and leave a message: [phone]  No topic is out of bounds Nick MacDaniels and Damn Skippy join the fray as Frasco regales us with tales of near beat-downs in the streets of Seattle. Word to the wise: don't do meth! (But do shake our hands with love) And on the Interview Hour we got singer/songwriter/producer Caroline Rose! Her music is rad as heck and you should really get to know her. So listen to some Caroline Rose and see her on tour why don't ya?! Plus, passive aggressive emails from venue bookers. What, you don't like our reckless abandon and stage antics?   And don't forget to catch the band in a town near you andyfrasco.com/tour Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy Frasco & The U.N. (Feat Little Stranger)'s new song, "Oh, What A Life" on iTunes, Spotify  Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Thicc-Nick MacDaniels OG-Nick Gerlach Arno Bakker

Hey Andy, it's Nick from Big Something. Man, I just wanted to thank you for having us on this tour. We are having such a good time and you and me, we're bonding so hard and I feel like we're becoming such good friends. Would it be okay if I crash in your room again tonight? Call me back. Let me know. Thanks. Bye. Hey, Andy. It's Real Nick. I don't know if you know who I am.

I'm the co-host of this podcast. Not Nick McDaniels. Real Nick. The one that, you know, actually helps you in your life by being mean to you instead of reinforcing every thought and belief you have. Like Nick's going to do. You know, I love Nick. Great guy. I just don't know if he's great for you. Okay? So maybe you guys shouldn't be rooming together on the road. Maybe you should

keep your distance. I need you to text me every day. Tell me what you're doing wrong so I can tell you that it's wrong and that way you'll stop doing it. Okay. Cause I've seen you out there. You're buying shoes every day now too. And also let's, you know, like the Frasco mids thing, how many things are you going to call mids before you just start to turn into Mids yourself? No, dog. Woo! And we're back. Andy Frasco's World's Same Podcast.

I'm Andy Frasco. How's your heads? How's your minds? Are you not letting the music industry just fuck with your vibe right that's what i'm saying nick uh no we're not we're not letting that happen god this industry is so fucked up no comment yeah i'm always trying to me and Nick, we are in Oregon right now We finally have a day off

We're doing, what is it? Like 16 shows in 18 days? 14 shows together I think I counted Over three weeks But you did five before, right? Yeah, we started in Colorado And we started in Utah

And you're doing one extra show tomorrow because you're crazy. Yeah, because, you know, I love money, Nick. Do you? No. I'm a slave to money. I realize that I'm a slave to money.

No, I mean, it looks like a cool show. I think you should do it. You know the reason why I booked it? Because it's called Bruno's Tavern. Oh, yeah. And that's my dad's name. So I'm like, hey, I'll play at Bruno's Tavern. I've played at a Bruno's before.

Hell yeah. So shout out to my dad. It's my guy. I'm about to see him next week. He's coming out to the L.A. show. Oh, awesome. Very cool Have you ever met my parents

Hand on? I feel like briefly In Mexico Weren't they at Panic in the Playa? Oh yeah yeah yeah Where he But we never We didn't really

We weren't that close yet We weren't friends Quite then So yeah That's when he belly flopped Yeah I was there for that It was awesome When Kobe died

And he knew I was sad He's like I'm gonna cheer up my son On stage And he's like I'm like pointing at my dad He's pointing back at me And he's like, I'm going to cheer up my son on stage. And he's like, I'm like pointing at my dad. He's pointing back at me. He's like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.

And he just pulled, he's a big boy. So he pulled off, he pulled off his shirt. My mom was so embarrassed and just fucking belly flopped into that motherfucking pool at the end of our set. I love that that conversation just happened without any words. You just looked at each other and you knew immediately. I mean, that's what was happening.

I get my party side from my dad. I get my sensitive side from my mom. I think my dad's, as he gets older, he's getting more sensitive. I think us too. Like now we're getting older. We're a little more in tune with how we,

how we're supposed to feel. Right. That makes sense. Yeah. You kind of live and learn, grow with the ups and downs. But fuck, it is not easy being in the music industry, buddy.

No comment. We got a situation. Did you hear what happened in Seattle? I don't know. Did you not hear what happened in Seattle? I don't know. Did you not hear what happened in Seattle? Skippy, come in here. Damn Skippy's on tour with us. He's in here.

Damn Skippy. First of all, you're killing it, buddy. Thank you. Oh, my God. Hold on. You know this whole story of this guy in Seattle who showed up and started fighting everyone. Did you hear about this?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did hear about that. Okay, Skippy, why don't you tell them the story and then what happened at the end? You'll crack up. Because I was scared. This guy wanted to beat my ass. He said, your band sucks.

I'm here to kill you. Like, he literally said that. How did I miss this? Oh, my God. He was, I mean, the guy was like a tweaker. Like, he came in heavy duty, whatever drugs, I have no fucking clue. Right.

Literally was freaking out at the fucking front table. Your boy actually like Joe helped. Yeah. Joe helped out, like assess the situation. They get him outside. The guy's there with his like 90 year old father with a Walker. They're both massive fans, but this dude's just tweaking out, gets outside, somehow gets back inside.

They take him out a second time. The venue calls the police. They don't show up. They don't show up. And then they mace them, right? They mace them twice. They mace them twice. So then they're like,

okay, dude's on heavy duty drugs because he's still coming. Yeah. And so, yeah, then at the end, we're loading out and the dude just shows back up and he's trying to like talk to

you or talk to anybody that'll give him fucking attention freaking out outside so we just all as we're loading out the whole crew just rolls out like we had to be mobsters for a minute you know he said he said you guys are just a bar band you ain't twiddle he was like really about twiddle he said we're like bro we don't want to be twiddle. He was like, really about twiddle? He said, we're like, bro, we don't want to be twiddle. I was like, he's like, you ain't fucking twiddle. You guys are fucking pieces of shit. I will beat all your asses right now.

I'm like, we weren't even starting a fight. And everyone like, cause I was like waving and, you know, sign in shirts at the end of the show. And I was going outside ready to smoke a cigarette and the owner of the venue is like pulled me back. He's like, dude, that guy this is how nice everyone is in Washington. They're like, that guy

punched a lot of your fans today. I heard about it. His girlfriend punched one of our fans just for being angry and then he punched her boyfriend and started punching everyone and then he got kicked out and blah, blah, blah. He was just on some ooey.

I text Mahali. I text Mahali. That was kind of tripping dick. I feel bad doing it. I'm like, what is going on with your fans, Mahali? They're out here trying to threaten us, kill us. And then what was the ending? That's not on Mahali.

That's not on Mahali. That's on PCP. Alright, keep going. So the poor guy's father rolls up in a pickup That's not on Mahali. That's not on Mahali. Yeah, yeah. That's on PCP. I will say that. That's on PCP. All right, keep going. So the poor guy's father rolls up in a pickup truck with his walker in the back, and he's literally yelling at his son to get in the car. We have like just a shield of people standing by the trailer as we're trying to load out in the street, getting, you know, party machine in the fucking thing. And literally, he finally gets in the truck. He's still screaming.

But the weirdest thing was that he was the biggest fan of yours until he wasn't like it just snapped you know that's what i'm talking about like and then he said mahali shakes my hand with love you guys are the devil i'm like the devil the fuck do we do you're out here getting maced twice bear maced they had to bear mace this guy twice. I couldn't believe it. You know, we love Twiddle. By the way, this ain't a shit talk on Twiddle, but for the fan base, when did music become like a sports team?

Yeah, right. It's so competitive. The fans are competitive. I'm like, bro, we're all just playing music. Everyone needs to chill out and take in a dialed-in gummy. Ladies and gentlemen, this episode is sponsored by – thanks, Skippy. This episode – because I saw Skippy. He was about to loke this motherfucker.

I just saw him by the van protecting – because Bo was – he's from Buffalo. So when Bo starts talking shit, I'm afraid he's going to kill a motherfucker. Buffalo don't fuck around with no disrespect. And this guy was disrespecting us heavy. And then I saw Sean's eyes. He was turning red. Everyone was going to kill this motherfucker. I came back from getting pizza

and the doors were locked and that guy was out there and started trying to talk to me and Beats opened the door. He was like, get in here, get in here. What the fuck? Everyone needs to chill out. It's just music. It's just fans. Everyone's trying their best

to be individual. I'm not trying to be like Phish. I'm not trying to be like Twiddle. I'm not trying to be like Gary Clark Jr. I might be trying to be like Kobe Bryant. But like, calm down. Just because you like one

band, don't like everyone else. No one needs your opinion, okay? I'm talking to you, fucking Facebook. Alright, sorry. Eat more mushrooms and do less PCP. Yeah, eat more mushrooms and do less PCP and take a couple more dialed in gummies. Ladies and gentlemen, dialed in gummies.

The best gummies in the business. What a fucking tag. That is true. They are, right? I brought them on the road. They're delicious. 100%. They're homologized.

Is that the word? Homogenized. It's homogenized. If you don't know what that means, like I don't before this podcast started, every inch of the gummy is the perfect dosage. It's spread out evenly. So if you want it to only take a half, you only want to take a quarter,

that dosage will be in that quarter. And also they taste good. I mean, a lot of these gummies taste like, I don't know, like glue, like a flavored glue. They're awesome. These are good. They're like the cream of the crop when we visit Colorado. So grab yourself some dilating gummies. We got Carolyn. These are good. Cream of the crop. When we visit Colorado. So grab yourself some dialed in gummies.

We got Carolyn Rose on the show. You know her? Remind me? She's like an indie girl. She lives in Texas now, but she's from Vermont. And she wears all, her outfit's like all red. Oh, hell yeah. And she's badass, indie chicken.

She's just putting out a new record this week and I'm in love with her and it was a great conversation. So I can't wait for you to listen to Caroline Rose. Also, this show is on volume.com. You know volume.com? Have you ever done a live stream with volume.com? We have actually.

Yeah. Yeah, Nashville. Yeah, they actually are our video sponsors. Awesome. If you want to watch the video, if you want to see Nick's handsome face and which Lakai shoes he's going to wear today, he's wearing the blue ones, which are pretty dope. He has like 100 pairs of these, Skippy.

It's insane. The man... Three. No, no, we're going to say 100 off of the pocket. The man, low-key, because they look like Jordan 1s. That's why I kind of fuck with them. I might get them. Do they have an all-leather kind?

I don't know. We can take a look. And you're matching. You're always fucking matching. You are a fucking... You're my fucking favorite. So, volume.com, guys. If you want to watch it in video, it's only going to be on volume.com. But also, you should go check out volume.com. If you're in a band, sign up for volume.com.

Get your shows on volume.com because it's a free live stream. Everyone, you can watch. Daniel Donato was on there last week. He did his three-night run from Burlington. There's a lot of great shows on there. They're taking over the podcast game as well. You could watch your favorite podcast. Favorite pop cast. There's a lot of great shows on there, and they're taking over the podcast game as well.

So you could watch your favorite podcast on video format as well. So shout out to volume.com being our sponsor all year. It's going to be great. We love you. Shout out to Dialed and Gummies. You're going to enjoy this Caroline Rose interview. Do you want to give a little motivation to the people? See what we could... Give me a little motivation, actually.

What do I need to do? I know you hate... Look, I can see your eyes rolling in the back of your head. Do you want to do it? Do you want Skippy to do it? No, I mean, motivation is tough because not everybody needs the same motivation. You know, some people are introverted and some people are extroverted.

And sometimes they need different advice. With you, I would say stop worrying about what other people think. Okay. Believe in yourself. Trust your gut. And, you know, you're an artist. You know, make your art. uh do what you do yeah and don't worry about things you can't control right like that that fucking text we got from the fucking the mutant the mutant talent booker what where's my phone oh you have

did you read this we're calling everyone out today uh did's my phone? Oh, you have it. Did you read this? We're calling everyone out today. Did I send that to you, Nick? Yeah. I was heated. First, Brian was on my ass at the Seattle show about fucking calming down the show. I'm like, I don't think this show is that insane. Here, this is what we got.

I got a text. Well, I didn't get a text. Bo got a text. We're excited for the show. Something to keep in mind, though. I know the sets can get wild. And in principle, I support that. That's passive aggressive in the first fucking sentence.

In principle. In principle, I support that. But we have to keep it somewhat cool and... Because of the... I don't know what that is. So if like obvious drug use on stage or recklessness with alcohol is super obvious, we legally have to shut it down. I'm like, do they think I'm just like a belligerently drunk? They think that.

They think I'm just like this fucking crazy person just taking drugs and being belligerently drunk. I really appreciate you guys coming through. That's what she said. And I look forward to a good show. I hate passive aggressiveness. Just tell me how you feel. Say, no drugs, Frasco. It's not like I'm taking drugs. What is this?

Here's another one from... Oh yeah, we got another letter. Andy, this is from Andy. Andy, if you're reading this, absolutely no smoking cigs or weed on stage. Other than that, this is a 21 plus show so we can party. If you or anyone

else wants to smoke cigs slash weed, please step outside the building. I respect that. That was Ryan. Yeah, that was hilarious. I'm like a fucking teenager up in here, dude. They think I'm just like some fucking frat boy. I'm like, oh, all right. Well, thank you for letting me have events as a podcast fans.

I appreciate it. I love you very much. We're going to not think about what other people think about you this week. We're going to take a deep breath and realize that life's short. And the only way we're going to love life is if we love ourselves. Is that what you said? Well said. Let's fucking go.

All right, guys. Enjoy Caroline Rose and me and Nick are going to go back to bed. I fell asleep on The Last of Us. I'm sorry. It's okay. We'll watch it again. I was snoring. Yeah, a little bit.

Like hard? A little bit. When I'm on the back, when I'm on my back, I snore. Yeah. When I go to the side, when I'm on my back, I snore. Yeah. When I go to the side, I'm all great. You were just like wrapped up like a little burrito

and your head was poking out and you're just making these cute little noises and I'm sitting there watching Last of Us. I fucking love you. Yeah. You're my guy.

It's a nice little Sunday. I love you, Nick. God, Nick. So if you're listening to this and you want to come out, Los Angeles, we're playing in Los Angeles, the Troubadour.

Troubadour. Troubadour? San Diego sold out. Hell yeah. Casbah. Thank you, San Diego. Arizona, Marquee Theater. That's a big room. We need all the help we can get on that show.

That's Phoenix, right? Phoenix. Awesome. Tempe, Arizona State. I love Phoenix. That's where I got pissed on. Oh, cool. But we were hooking up,

and we were all both wasted And she peed all over the bed And then left the bed and slept on the couch without telling me And I'm just like Marinating in her urine And then I smelled like piss And then I got in my car And drove back to LA

Anyway Shout out to Doubting Gummies Shout out to volume.com Shout out to Tempe I canmies Fun times shout out to volume.com Phoenix shout out to Tempe yeah I can't wait to go back to Tempe I get to smell the urine

from here Tempe Tempe Arizona State they're actually good in basketball I think so when we get there

they might be in the room I haven't been paying attention I've been bad about my college basketball we should do we should do a a chart or what do they call that

bracket bracket yeah I'm down I don't know shit about college basketball for me but me either fuck it We should do a chart. Or what do they call that? Bracket? Bracket, yeah. I'm down. I don't know shit about college basketball. Shot in the dark for me, but... Me either. Fuck it. All right, guys.

We love you. Stay safe out there and enjoy Caroline Rose. And we'll see you this week on the end of the tour. This is the wrap-up. We got one more week. And then... Do you want to come on next week, too? We'll recap the whole tour?

Let's do it. All right. Love you. I love you, too. Thanks for always cheering whole tour. Let's do it. All right. Love you. I love you, too. Thanks for always cheering me up. All right, guys. Enjoy Caroline. All right.

Next up on the interview hour, we have Caroline Rose. Yes. I truly am a huge fan of Caroline. I followed her career for the last four or five years. She's from New York. She lives in Burlington for a while. Had her ups and downs with mental health and being a musician in 2020.

It was a super fascinating interview. She was very open about the whole thing. Hey, Chris, why don't you play some Caroline Rose while we talk about her a little bit? I love her. I love everything about her. She's got a great personality and her music is just fucking killer. So, ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy this interview with Caroline Rose. I like your vibe man

You just got like a cigarette Clown sculpture in the background Thank you I'm a musician as well I'm actually a big fan of you Caroline I've seen you play a bunch You're a breath of fresh air To be honest

A breath of fresh air, to be honest. A breath of fresh air. A breath of fresh air. Thank you. That's so sweet. Where are you living? I live in Austin. So how long have you lived in Austin for? Oh, about five years now. You like?

Yeah, I really like it here. What are the differences between Austin and New York? Oh my God. There's a big difference. Both have very big personalities though. Yeah. Yeah. There's more like gun slinging bravado here.

It's very... I actually used to live in Vermont for years, and there's a lot of overlapping qualities between Vermont and Texas. They both want to secede from the union. They're very like Second Amendment, but on very different ends of the political spectrum. It's kind of funny. Yeah.

Where'd you live in Vermont? Burlington? Yeah. Yeah. spectrum is kind of funny yeah yeah give me and you know where'd you live in vermont burlington yeah yeah yeah and i used to live on a farm in in um marshfield vermont which is like the northeast kingdom it's really beautiful so give me a little bit about your background you know you grew up in long island you guys your parents were artists. What type of art did they do? Well, my parents made book covers for a long time. They still do. It's just freelance stuff.

So it's sort of a mishmash of what they do now. But my dad started in the gallery circuit, just painting and making sculptures and stuff like that. And my mom used to work at NBC doing mechanicals, which are basically what Photoshop and InDesign do now. Oh, wow. She used to do it by hand. And she was a sign painter. So my parents are kind of like salt of the earth type artists. They sort of do everything and they're just very talented. painter. And, um, so my parents are kind of like salt of the earth type artists. They,

they sort of do everything and they're just very talented. Did you guys, did you guys grow up wealthy, poor or middle class or how, how was your upbringing? Middle class, definitely solidly middle class. Um, the, the town on Long Island that I'm from is, it's very much like a, you know, it's very much like the one bar that everyone goes to, Buckley's Irish Pub. Yeah, it actually burned down a few years ago. Well, it's mysterious happenings, but I'm 99% sure somebody was cooking meth in the upstairs room. Yeah.

So it's like that kind of time. It's like working class. A lot of like fishermen in my family's past and duck hunters and stuff like that. But now it's just, you know, it just seems like a small town slash distant suburb. It's not really anywhere close to New York city. So it doesn't really feel very suburb. Yeah.

I forget how fucking big long Island is. You know, it's, it's long. No pun intended. It really is. Yeah. It feels a lot like new England.

The further out you get. Right. Right. And so it's very blue collar as well. It's not like it doesn't feel like a city. It's yeah. It's not like, it doesn't feel like a city. Yeah, it's kind of, it's, there's a lot of little pockets out there. Because you can get a pocket that's, it's more like farmer granola people. And then there's other pockets that are like very much like Trump land.

You know, everybody loves like Zelda out there. It's wild. It's the wild, the wild east. The wild east. I love it. You know, growing up with artistic parents, tell me about the upbringing of art with you. Was it easier to be an artist because your parents were artists? Was it more pressure on you to like

really succeed in art give me all that stuff when you're a kid yeah i mean the best thing about it was i could get away with stuff because my parents had done it you know like for for years i lived out of a car just kind of wandered around and i go to to Vermont, work on a farm. And then I'd like to drive around and like live out of my car in Mississippi. And, uh, you know, I got away with stuff like that because my, my parents were always doing stuff like that. It's just, they were more, you know, they're kind of like a walking paradox in a way. Cause I also grew up really Christian.

So my parents are these, they're less devout than they were when I was younger. Right. I think part of that is due to me. No, I'm not going to take the, you know, take the cake for all of that, but I do think, uh, I had like a part of why they no longer really go to church. But I, you know, like that was the way we grew up. Every Sunday, like we go to church, we, the church family was kind of a big part of my life growing up. Um, and my, you know, my parents are very they're very they were very by

the books when we were growing up um you know yeah strict got married when they were 21 have never been with anybody else like waited until marriage type people right you know yeah i hear i grew up i grew up hearing hearing your body is a temple protected at all costs. It's so funny between our generation. I'm 34 now and you're 33. The difference between our generation and our parents' generation

is dramatically changed to how we feel about life, how we feel about sex. Like when, what, how old are you when you came out? Well,

that's a really good question. Cause I've like known I've, I've been gay since I was a toddler, just like a tiny child. And I think, you know, part of that is there's like the, it's so the way that we're raised it's so binary

if you're all of your heroes are are like when i was a little kid all my heroes were men like indiana jones and luke skywalker yeah i was such a tomboy and um and i think i think like that's what helped me it became so obvious to me because I'm like, oh, I definitely don't fit in with the other kids. Right. But it wasn't until I was 18 that I officially came out and it was like,

you know, honestly, kind of traumatic for me. I bet. I mean, especially when you grew up in the church and stuff and like, did your parents accept you being gay

or your community accept you being gay or your community accept you being gay at first or was it hard for them to take a deep breath about it and realize this is just who you are it was it was hard um it was you know like i i want to be sensitive about this subject because my my parents were going through a really hard time when I came out and they were taking care of my grandpa and, uh, and he was, you know, dying and they, they took care of him every day. I mean, they were like changing his diapers, taking care of him, like fully taken care of. Yeah. And, and so they were really stressed and going through a hard time. I think like financially as well. It just,

everything is very taxing time. And here I was like 18, freshly in love, my first girlfriend. And I think I was so, I was, I was so, you know,

when you're in love and it's like everything around you is just perfect and you just you're floating and like the rose-colored glasses are real yeah yeah totally my name's sick but um i yeah i was so excited about it and i i think it was really hard for my mom because she she was my really my best friend um for since probably like senior year of high school my my two best friends they sort of started going down like a different path like going to parties and doing drugs and uh and we just sort of lost track of each other and so i became like a total home body and uh was mostly very depressed and would watch movies with my mom like every night. What, after you came out? You were very depressed?

This was like right before. It was like right before. And then when I came out, it was sort of an accident how she found out. And I think she was kind of hurt that I didn't tell her directly. How'd she find out? She was unprepared. She was unprepared for it. How'd she find out?

She overheard me talking. Oh, really? She overheard me talking to one of my friends. You know, I think situations like that have to be handled with care because I was just talking about this with with someone and i there's no handbook for parents with with queer kids or genderqueer kids um and it's it's interesting like as i get older i realize people my age are parents. We become parents. There's no guidebook.

And you're kind of learning as you go along. And a lot of the things, you still have your own therapy to work through. You still have your own problems to kind of mend. And so you just are stacking these things, these issues in your life, like personal issues. And then now you have your kids and your kids are growing up and have their own issues and you still haven't healed your own stuff. So I think like as hard as it is for me to understand, especially when I was younger, it was hard for me to understand like why she couldn't like uh accept accepted at first and she has since so i don't want to like you know she my mom is again my best friend so um

but i think of it differently now i think of it of it with a lot more compassion from my parents yeah now than i did when i was younger when. When you're depressed before you came out and you're hanging out with your mom, watching movies and stuff, what were the conversations like? Oh, there weren't any. It was just... There weren't any.

No, and you know... Yeah, I hear that. I realize now how many secrets I've had to keep just throughout my childhood and my early adulthood. Yeah. I really thought of myself as this little island. And I realize it now because it comes up in these different ways of like, wow, I really don't have to do that alone. I just, that's how I learned how to cope with life. It's like, you just do it alone.

Yeah, I'm the same way. Like I was afraid to be vulnerable with exactly how I felt. Maybe it's like you're protecting your inner self in a way. You know, it's like you don't want people to tell you oh, what your philosophy of how life and love should be and how you should live life.

If someone tries to, you know, throw a fucking grenade into your happiness, that would fuck me up when I was a kid. You know, now that I'm more secure with my life and secure as a person, it's a lot different. So I was like, I think about that too. Like I had never had a really relationship with my parents when I was a kid.

And then I'm finally starting to open up with this podcast. They listen to it and shit. They're like, oh God, I didn't know you did coke and had three sons. You know, it's just like, okay. But like, what is it that we are so afraid to talk to the people who are closest to us about who we really are? Oh, man, if you have an answer for that, I would love to know it. It's wild. I'm riddled with fear all about like, you know, intimacy and sometimes it's so hard to communicate.

I just want to crawl back into the womb. I really do. Same. It's nice and warm and safe in there. Is that why you ran and started traveling, living in a car? I think I was just so ready to be living my life independently. Right. I think even when I was a kid, I was just so ready to be on my own.

I would, uh, we had this little like clubhouse in the backyard that my dad built and, and I would, I would collect magazines of all the like furniture that I was going to put in there. And then when I turned 16, I like started cleaning it out and would, would go and sleep out there just so I could be on my own. Wow. It's cold as fuck in New York though. What the fuck? Was it during the summertime or like what's going on?

That's how I am too. Yeah, I guess so. Maybe we're just loners. Maybe like we feel more comfortable when we're alone, living in a van, traveling, going to a city to city. You know, maybe that's why you love being an artist, being a musician. Oh, I describe myself as a loner all the time. Yeah. Same. You know, we need,

we need other people. It's not like, you know, I think there's a different between the difference between hermitage and, uh, in lonerism, but, uh, I definitely thrive on being alone. And I, lonerism but uh i definitely thrive on being alone and i and i think like uh people like me just need to fill their bucket uh on on our own sometimes and then when it's filled it's like okay i'm ready to be around people again yeah so tell me about these okay so i'm so curious because i when i was 17 i went on my first tour it was I was like in an like Vance Warped Tour emo pop punk style band and uh in the beginning yeah it was dope but I fell in love with the open road so what how old were you when you said mom dad I'm getting out of this I'm getting out of New York or wherever you guys were I'm getting in a car did you bring your girlfriend

at the time did you go by yourself give me whole, give me this, this two year journey of, of existential, um, fulfillment. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm pretty much, uh, got out as soon as possible. You know, when I was younger, like there weren't, I, I was living in a household that was so by the books. And I went to a tiny, tiny high school where the counseling was slim to none. And that's on a good day. And the option for us, it felt like, was you either stay stay stay in town and like work for your dad's construction company or you go to college and there was no it wasn't even in my radar like to take a year off or not even go to college like it wasn't uh it didn't even seem like an option

and then i i got like a a big uh fat scholarship to go to school. So I ended up doing that. I went to a little college in Massachusetts. And then pretty much the day I graduated from that, that's when I started living in a car. And I worked in a farm for a few years. And I would just travel every time I get the opportunity. I still do that.

I still do it every time I get the chance. I still do that. I still do it every time I get the chance. I'm like, you know, put this up at my house and just go live in Florida for like two weeks. You know, why not? Yeah, totally. So where was the first city when you lived in that felt most like home? Oh, well, I lived in New York on and off for years.

And I'll always have a special place in my heart for New York. I just think it's like the greatest city. It is beautiful city. It's also the loneliest city, if you ask me. Like, you know, it moves so fast. Everybody moves so fast. And, you know, New York really is Gotham City. It moves so fast. Everybody moves so fast. New York really is Gotham City.

It's true. When you see Batman, you're like, that's New York. You're not kidding anyone. It's New York on a gray day. Right. It's New York with Giuliani at the helm. Hello. Welcome to Gotham City. It's 100% though.

Punch back mayor like Danny DeVito and the Penguin. Like, hello. Oh, yeah. His pointy little nose. You know, that like... But I'll always have a soft spot for it. And then I feel like everywhere I've ever lived,

I've had a really special bond with it. And I've grown in a way that I couldn't have predicted. I kind of split time between New York and Vermont for many years. And I feel just as at home there. I have such a good group of friends i'm still friends with all of the people that i've met there and it's just like a little community it's tiny where where'd you feel you uh started really started uh you know blossoming as a musician what city i i would say i would say burlington actually yeah i would really say that you know and i i'm

kind of laughing because uh i have to laugh at that because the other day somebody was somebody sent me my wikipedia page i don't know how this this i have i think he was trying to get me to play a show and it was like in a forwarded email it was like a link to my wikipedia page and i'm like what the hell does my wikipedia page say and it says my origin is burlington vermont which i i was like that's hilarious because like i'm not from vermont right but everyone thinks i'm from there and i'm like you know what that kind of is my origin because that i i worked with a um, he was kind of my co-producer, my friend. We dated on and off for a little while. We had a very interesting relationship.

And my bandmate, his name's Jer Coons. Shout out to Jer. Shout out to Jer, yeah. We made music together for four or five years, just kind of going back and forth. We'd travel around. We'd play shows. We did our first tour together. And that's kind of really where my career got started.

Yeah. Just very organically. So what was the first couple songs you wrote in Burlington that you felt like, wow, I'm a songwriter? Well, I wrote this album called America Religious. Yeah. I want to talk about that too, about Kickstarter. It's pretty awesome. You're like one of the first revolutionaries.

Can you still find that on the internet? No, that's what I was saying. I remember when that shit was popping. Let's talk about America. Yeah. Let's talk about, uh, America religious. So you've made this whole record in Burlington. Um, yeah, pretty much. I mean, we, we would sort of travel around cause back then I had far less patients than I do now. And I would get so sick of being in the studio. If it was a nice day, if it was 75 degrees and sunny, no fiber in my body wanted to be inside.

Not at all. I couldn't do it. It was like all of a sudden I had ADD and I just had to be outside. Right. I was also, man, thinking back on my younger self, I'm like, I was a wild horse, like rodeo style emotions that were unchecked, unchecked emotions. And I would have freak outs. Like we'd be working on something and I'd get so frustrated because I'd be like, it's just not sounding the way that I want.

And, you know, I try a bunch of things and and it wasn't working and then i just i'd be like i have to go and i and i just leave the studio all day until i was like i think i'm ready to go back and you know maybe that's just the common artist thing to do but now i'm like oh my god this I could have done that in a nicer way. Looking back in retrospect, why do you think you were lashing out? Did you ever get addicted to drugs, coke, or any alcohol? What were those years like for Carolyn Rose? Well, I've always, I mean, I've've never been an alcoholic i've always liked to drink but

and i do all the drugs yeah but i've never been addicted to drugs and i you know that was like a big i have like such a weird relationship um it's like a soft spot for me because my hometown just got like smashed with with heroin yeah um just like so many small towns in the u.s and probably abroad too now um but it just got really pummeled and like it's hard it's honestly hard for me to talk about it's very sad yeah so i've never had the type of relationship with drugs and um never kind of like gotten sucked out into that path was heroin around um when you were a kid when i when i got to like junior year of high school that's when i started showing up and man it's crazy it was like pills or actual heroin like like opiates like yeah yeah yeah just like dirty wow um in high school yeah oh man i'm telling you it was

everywhere holy fuck it's i think it still is i think like you know more people are involved in their kids lives now just because it was so dangerous and it is so dangerous um so I'm not sure like I don't really go home very often so I'm not sure what the state is now but it was it was rough so I've always been really cautious around that. And also, you know, my parents were like straight edge. So I think they raised us in a way that was like, don't ever do this. If you do this, only bad things will happen. Yeah, exactly.

For real though. Did they always blame the hell and devil thing if you're doing bad things? No, they weren't like snake whispers or anything. Tell you what, Caroline, if you do this stuff, I swear to God, you're going straight to the Lord's hell. All right? Don't fuck around. I do have some family in Mississippi that definitely were fire and brimstone. You got some Southern?

You got a little Southern in you? Oh, all the women in my family from the South. What did you? My mom's from South Carolina. Okay. Now, now we're cooking. All right. Give me some Southern, give me some Southern philosophy. Like it's very, it's, it's a very different world between you said South Carolina. Oh yeah. But I have family all over the South.

Yeah. Pretty much every state. What did your Southern family teach you about how you should live life? Eat a lot of Hardee's biscuits. That's number one. I'll clap to that. Let's go. Lots of...

Yeah. Only cook with butter. Yeah. Yeah. It's sacrilegious to cook with anything but butter and flour and sugar in every meal. I love it.

Going back to Burlington, let's go back to Burlington first. Do you have anything else about philosophy instead of butter? Oh, I can tell you all of my Southern family, they're the best storytellers. I think that's where it's in dna to be a storyteller from especially the women in my family they all you know they have these hilarious sayings that people just don't say anymore like my grandma

uh she would say things like keep your chin up so your ass don't hit the ground and she would say queer is a three dollar bill all the time there's so many the list goes on and on but do you think that made you a better lyricist i i do actually yeah i i do and i think i have a connection to that sort of just like southern music the folk music and country music and it's like in my dna somewhere somehow yeah i just love it i love so you you brought this so you brought the southern philosophy into burlington to make america religious how many songs did it take until you felt like the album was ready like did you make 30 songs and pick the best 11? How did the Kickstarter start?

Give me a little background of this first record and then I want to get into Superstar and stuff. Yeah. Well, I think we had made a little EP before that. And man, America Religious, it's not out on social platforms or anything like you can't really find

it it might be on YouTube did you take it off or what I never put it up I never put it up I guess I'll get to that but like you know that early stuff it might as well be a different person talking to you right now like

you know my sound I think a lot of people that early stuff, it might as well be a different person talking to you right now. Like, um, you know, my, my sound, um, I think a lot of people change their, when they find their, their sound that they're sort of committed to, um,

they'll change their band name, like father John Misty, you know, style. Yeah, totally. I, you know,

I just kept my name. So it's a little confusing. You know, this early material is really songwriter material. I, you know, I just kept my name. So it's a little confusing. You know, this early material is really songwriter material. I wanted to be a songwriter and that's kind of it. Like just, you know, get the band together, hop in the van. Right. Like, and I love that. It's like that sort of vagabond lifestyle.

But I think it just, it just evolved in a, in a, what feels like to me, a really natural way. And, and that's, yeah, that, that, but this is like my origin story. No, I love that. Um, cause it seems like you're always changing musicians and a lot of these different projects or have you had the same band for a while now? Well, I've had the same band for a while, but, uh, the same band for a while but uh you know we the band is growing yeah one for one and then um and it's also it's also hard because uh during the pandemic after that i really wanted to slow down um and i i didn't want to play as many gigs and my other bandmates or one of them was like, I, you know, I want to, I want to be touring. And my sound engineer was like, I want to be touring.

And I'm like, all right, like, you know, go, go do your thing. And I think that's the kind of beauty of it. I always tour with my friends. Um, we all love each other and we're all, we're all friends. We all love each other and we're all friends. So if it's ever sort of like a rotating... I tend to have rotating bass players.

But I can easily see any of them coming back to do an album cycle like, I've got the year off. I'm like, come on, let's do it. Hop in the van. It's an open door policy. Hop in the van. Yeah. So it's an open door policy.

You know, if you're not feeling it at the moment, if you're burnt out, I respect the shit out of that. You know, this is why I think if you give the people the freedom, then you don't burn bridges and you're not going to ruin the friendship. It's mostly about friendship, right? Oh, yeah. You got to have fun. If it's not fun, something's going wrong. The times when I haven't been having fun, I'm like, okay, something's wrong. And it's usually my psyche.

Yeah. Tell me some times when touring wasn't fun, like pre-pandemic. What was going on? Were you just burnt out too many shows or how was that going? You know, a little bit. To be honest with you uh i didn't really take i i was supposed to have time off after the loner the album cycle ended and we had toured for two years straight uh pretty much non-stop and then then that whole time i was making superstar and it took a lot out of me just between touring and the recording process is always the most fun to me that's that's like when it's it's like a joy you know to be making something but then that you know there's

mixing and mastering and deadlines and all that stuff. The deadlines, it's just so stressful. Until you actually realize that a deadline is just a man-made creation that actually has no meaning. But I really wish I had a little more time to just relax and live my life and you know enjoy being home for a little bit but we pretty much had to go straight into another album cycle and it was a lot of work and a lot of stress many many hours um put into it and then like the pandemic just cut the head right off of everything. It was crazy. Like,

cause you're catching a wave right before the pandemic. Weren't you? That's what it, it really felt like that. You know, we were, we were kind of set up to have a champagne year, um,

which, which was like, I, I was, I was excited about being able to provide for my my team like everybody who'd been working so hard it's like that's the moment where you really you you've been working so hard and it's like all right finally all that hard work's gonna pay off like we're gonna uh we're gonna enjoy the the benefits of our like reap the benefits of our labor and

uh we put out the album march 6th of 2020 which turns out hold on terrible timing god damn it yeah i feel you i put my record out in april 2020 i was like what the fuck are we doing but what made you still what made you still release it in march um well the pandemic hadn't happened yet oh fuck so that was like oh that was like 15 days before not even not even my my dude you remember when south by was canceled yes yes they canceled south by like right before it was supposed to happen and and we were all just like whoa that's a that's that seems like a big deal like maybe this is kind of a big deal and then and i was i was still holding out hope like no maybe it's just being precautious like you know

they've got investors whatever liability right and and then the next day they canceled the nba and everybody was like oh shit we're done yeah we're done when they cancel the NBA and everybody was like, oh shit, we're done. Yeah. We're done. When they canceled the NBA, it's, it's legit. Go home.

Yeah. And that was March 12th. Wow. Fuck. Yeah. It was wild times. So did you go into depression? Like what happened?

Were you bummed out or were you like, kind of like burnt out, like a blessing in disguise, but also like you just worked your ass off on making this record and you wanted the best push you could have. What was going through your mind during that time? Oh, wow. What wasn't going through my mind?

You know, it was a lot of different emotions at once. And, you know, that time was really like the beginning of, um, like, you know, my album that's coming out, like that, most of the songs were written early in the pandemic. Um, cause all, you know, all the shows got canceled and then I went back to Texas and then pretty much realized that this relationship that I was in that meant so much to me it was just in it was kind of in shambles and uh largely in part to my my own doing you know which I've had to grapple with like my my part in it um so you know I came back up to Vermont from after all the shows

I like went down to Texas moved out of my house we were kind of splitting up and then I came back to Vermont uh and at that time it was still there was so much confusion over what was happening it was like are we gonna tour at all this year are our jobs done forever I mean what's the deal? There's just so many question marks. And then, you know, people are dying. Like, what a strange time to be alive. And it's kind of bizarre to me,

like how that really didn't happen that long ago. And I still don't feel like we have really processed the collective trauma of going through a global pandemic. I mean, what an insane thing for millions of people to die and millions more to get sick and to be so isolated. So, you know, you have like all these things going on and then, you know, all the protests and human rights, like activism, so much going on. It was just a, it was like somebody had shook up, you know, a bottle of soda and it was like a pop in, the top was popping off. Yeah. Um, so all those things happening and then like all these personal things happening, um, all this time and energy I had put into my career was time that I hadn't been putting into my own life.

And your relationship. So when it was over and my relationship, you know, like, uh, I, I realized that I had like nothing left in my own bucket for myself. Yeah, I hear you. It was a weird time. It was a weird time. I was like, I didn't know who I was when I wasn't working on something else.

And I had just kind of forgotten how to just sit and be and That's the most fucked up part about being in the music industry. We have to work 24, to make this even work out, we have to do this 24 seven. That means we're putting our relationships,

our love interests, ourselves in the back burner. And then all of a sudden you get the rip cord like, oh, actually we're taking two years break from your career. And then we forget who we are. Like, what do we do? And I'm like, you know, it's like, where do you know?

And I'm thankful you went to Burlington. It feels like every time you're having an existential crisis, you go up to you go up to Vermont to go get to Safe Haven. We all need that in life. It's a zombie apocalypse, Safe Haven, too. I know, it's my safe haven. It's your safe haven. We all need that in life, right? It's a zombie apocalypse safe haven, too. You know, everybody's going to end up... I shouldn't say this on the radio. I should keep this. This is the best kept secret right now.

Yeah, Burleigh, don't tell anybody. But my best friend lives there and my crew. And I still have so many ties there. It's just like a safe place for me. So how long did it take during the quarantine for you to finally start filling up your cup? Well, I started almost immediately,

uh, because I was like, you know, this is, this is pretty rough for everyone. And there was something about that, like collective, uh, depression, I about that, like collective, uh,

depression, I guess that I was like, I, this weirdly makes me feel okay. Like I think I'm going to be fine. Um, but it was still, it was hard to get up every day.

I mean, especially, you know, when you, when you go through a breakup, the best thing you could possibly do is go out with your friends, go out dancing, you know, when you, when you go through a breakup, the best thing you could possibly do is go out with your friends, go out dancing, you know, distract yourself from the immediate pain. And then you can start processing it. But like, there were no distractions.

It was like, Oh, here, here's all this grief. And you have no one, you have no dance party to go to right if you're gonna do this and yeah you gotta go it's like you have a party with yourself a party of one now right and and i and i just like leaned totally into it i was like okay you know because relationships are a great way to kick off trying to make some self improvements you know maybe just like look at yourself because it's really you're looking at a mirror of yourself um you know when you when you're in an intimate relationship with someone and that could even be a close friendship too but all these relationships are mirroring uh ourselves and what we do and how we are and like what makes

us do what we do and i just took and like what makes us do what we do. And I just took it as an opportunity. I was like, well, I now have all this time. I have a bag of acid. Let's go. Let's part.

You know, let's find ourselves. I did. Yeah. I was just like, went deep, deep dive. And I wrote,

I wrote about it like all the time. And I was just kind of noodling on the guitar the whole time, playing the piano. What'd you learn about yourself during the acid week or two weeks or month? I learned that I basically did not understand what self-compassion was at all. Oh, fuck.

Yeah, man. I mean, I was like, looking back on my past self It's just Wow I've been so hard on myself My whole life My whole

Same Adult life Oh my Caroline, we're the same fucking person, bud Okay I'm telling you It's like we're not alone No

We're not alone And why does our brain convince us That we are only feeling this way? That makes us go lonelier and lonelier, deeper into our depression? Oh, that's a great question, Andy. That's a great question. I don't know.

We have like this little voice in our head that's just so mean. So what did the acid teach you? Did it like bitch slap the voice? Like, nah, nah, queen. You a queen. Let's pop off well honestly

kinda yeah it really forces you to look at well I don't want to speak for anybody else I'll just speak for how psychedelics are helpful for me personally it just peels away the social element

of my life it's like every all polity is is is kind of pulled back like an onion you know you just get to the nugget of the onion and i i i can see myself right away and um that whole time i was i was seeing something that was really like a little, you know, the essence of me. It was just so hurt. I was so hurt in so many ways. And I went like, I'm still doing it. Like I'm still going real, real far back and just trying to learn more and more about myself. real far back and just trying to learn more and more about myself.

I also realized like I've had so many secrets that I've kept my whole life and I've become so accustomed to them that, uh, I haven't thought of them as issues at all in my life. I've just been like, Oh yeah, that's a good thing that happened. It's no big deal. Right. And then I'll tell someone and they'll be like, what? That, that happened to you? Like, Holy shit, man. Yeah, it's like, oh, yeah, it's like us two. It's no big deal because we just suppress trauma and we suppress. Like, oh, yeah, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it, yeah.

Then you finally open up. You're like, they're like, what the fuck? Yeah, I don't know why we do that. So many people do that. I think we're protecting our inner child yeah and there's also it's like i wish there it was more acceptable societally to be really vulnerable um but you know sometimes it's like when somebody comes up you know you see somebody at the grocery store or something and you're like hey how are you and they're like i'm fine how are you

but really what they want to say is like i'm not fine right and you know and like talk for three hours but it's our day doesn't include that time just in the same way that it's really hard to put a commercial value on things like spirituality or emotional level stuff. It doesn't really fit into our day-to-day unless you create that space. And for me, I just hadn't created that space it was like a second tier of importance you know yeah why why do you think that is because we're just so gold driven on our dreams i can say with certainty that i have fallen directly into that trap like many times. And, and it's, I've not realized that I've done it. But yeah, I do think that is, I do think that's true. I think we're, you know, we're the donkey that's just like following the carrot in front of our face. And it's really hard to, to see with perspective what we're doing.

So after this two years of absence of following the carrot and writing music again because you love it, and I'm not saying that you never loved it, but you're feeling burnt out at shows, so you're getting back into this open vessel of artistic freedom now that you have a new record out. And you, cause you went on tour a little bit last year and a half,

right? Makes some money. Uh, a little bit. Yeah. But, um, you know,

not, not a whole lot, not a whole lot. So you buy the fit to get this record out. So you get out there again, are you still feeling like, uh, you want to go?

Oh, I'm actually really excited about this to come out. I've been sitting on it for a while too because it's been done for many months now. I also am really proud of it for a number of reasons.

I can say that with certainty this is the only album that I can listen to and be, this is the only, probably, you know, it's the only album that I can listen to and be like, this is exactly what I wanted to do. Yeah. You know, like everything about it, no suits were involved in the making of this album.

Like I didn't involve anyone unless it was specifically for a creative purpose to realize something that I had in my head. You're basically taking the fucking power back, queen. Let's go. This is what I like to hear. Take the power back. Yeah, that's one way to put it. I, um,

you know, the one thing I don't like about album cycles and like the time that you finally get the release date for a record is like it could take two years you know like sometimes a year and like

once you finally release it you're like sick of the fucking songs do you feel that way yet? because you've over listened to them and over criticized them are you ready to show them how they are live no no i'm not sick of them and i think that's a testament to how um i i will this sounds like kind of cheesy to say but i was very present of that when i was making the album not to burn out on the songs and um you know when i was making the album not to burn out on the songs. And, you know, when I was making Superstar, I was what one might call overly protective of the process

and every single thing that was going on. It was like really hard for me to relinquish any sort of control. And this time I was just really thoughtful about it i i worked with i collaborated with a couple people and the mix engineer i worked really closely with and she was she kind of became like my right hand man i mean i i trust i trusted her completely right and that that was a big part of it for me I think that's like a reason why I can still listen to it and not cringe

yeah I hear you it was it just was like more pure the way that it was made it was a joy the whole time there was not a single moment where I was beating my head against the wall. Yeah.

Isn't it amazing? It's intention, you know? You wake up from this daydream of suppression. You're out of it. You take a little acid, find yourself a little bit. You open up the vessel again, and you write songs that you want to write instead of writing for the future is that it maybe i think that's totally it i i mean i'm sure there's more to it that can be

uncovered but for me that that was it yeah it's like i and re and having that realization was really important for me because, um, you know, I'm a person, I feel like I'm starting to pull the thread of the sweater and it's like starting to unravel, I'm like, let's take a step back. I don't care how much time it takes. It has to feel pure in that way. Right. And I won't ever do it any other way ever again.

Yeah. Well, yeah. And especially, you know, you learn from the process of making a record on the road where like you're kind of forced to like be at your best because you have to go back on the road, right? You can't just sit in the studio for months on end

or take a break and go out and see some sun shining because you're about to hit the road again on Tuesday. So maybe that different perspective of like I've always wanted to do that. Just like clear my schedule completely. And that's one thing COVID blessed us with was we could do that

because there's no fucking else to do. You make your art. And we all have to pay the bills and we go out we need money and i'm the same way you know i gotta like i gotta make ends meet i gotta it's like if i if i need some cash let's go out let's do tour but i i'm more aware of uh when i'm taking on like responsibility of my bandmates or my team or i'm like oh i gotta do

this for them i gotta do you know right and it's like and i realize i'm not actually taking care of myself at all i'm just i'm thinking about everybody else's well-being and it's like when you're on the airplane you know you got to put the mask on yourself first before you can help anybody else i'm really bad at remembering that, you know, I'm like going to pass out on the plane. Yeah. It's so, it's so fascinating. God, Caroline, I could talk to you forever. This is great. Thank you for, this is refreshing. It was fun. Yeah. We got to do this again. I know you're, I only have a certain amount of time with you. So, um, I got two more questions. First off, when's the record coming out?

March 24th. Fuck. Yeah. So yeah, this, oh yeah, this, this episode comes out the same week.

Um, and then also that's not the question that I was going to ask. One of my questions is what's your fascination with red? Oh, you know, it's always been my favorite color. And then I just kind of started collecting red things and uh at some point i was like you know i wear red all the time what if this just what if i just wore red on stage and it just became like part of my like persona and then some years passed i'm like well

it's too late to change it now even if i wanted to yeah so here we are i hear you i'm i did that too i'm like they're a color but i'm just like wow i have a lot of red shit that's how i feel too i'm uh i was like i love the lakers and all I wear is Laker jerseys. And now I'm stuck, everyone. I feel like I have to wear a fucking Laker jersey to a show now. It's bullshit. But it goes back. You stop wearing your Laker jersey and everyone's like, who are you?

Yeah. Oh, why are you wearing white today, Caroline? How dare you? It's like, fuck off. I'm going to be who the fuck I want to be whenever I want. I got my final question. And yeah, I'm going to hit you up on Instagram. Let's be friends, man.

Because I feel like we're parallel with how we feel about our life and how we approach suppression. So if you ever are lonely or whatever, just need a stranger to talk to, I'm going through the same shit. I'm going to call you, Andy. Come on, hit me up, Caroline. Let's pop off, queen. Burlington, though. You know Ryan Momplew?

Oh, I haven't seen Ryan in a long time. Do you know Ryan Momplew? That's one of my best friends. Oh, that's crazy. Tell him I say hi. We went skinny dipping together once. It was like years ago ago we used to skinny dip like me and all my friends and ryan came with us one time it was funny he got caught and i remember i was sorry to tell you actually we got caught and there it was ryan was with us and i think the vunda bar guys were with us

and uh and and then there was a random straggler that just showed up. It was just a guy. None of us knew him. And he was only naked from the waist down. So we get caught. His dick out. We get caught by this park ranger.

Everyone's buck ass naked except for this one guy and his cock and balls just hanging out right underneath his shirt. And he's trying to have this conversation with the park ranger being like, come on, man. We're just having fun out here. And all of us were just like, holy shit. This guy. Who is this?

He's got his hands on his waist. He's got a t-shirt on just dicking balls. Yeah, with authority. Yeah. You got to ask Ryan if he just dicking balls. Yeah, with authority. Yeah. You got to ask Ryan if he remembers that. I'm going to text him. I'm going to text him right when I get off the phone with you. That's amazing.

Burlington is so wild. It's like, it really feels like Rainbow Gathering. Kind of feels like upstate California, Oregon. You know, it's like, you might be right. Zombie apocalypse. I think that's where everyone's going to go to. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, they've got the farms, grass-fed beef.

You've got like a vegetable farm on every street corner, basically. But my favorite part of Vermont is when you go into the woods and you find all sorts of cool shit. It's like, I used to live in the Northeast kingdom is like really nice, beautiful little town. And it was where it was right next to Plainfield, Vermont,

which is where the original bread and puppet. I don't know if you are familiar with bread and puppet, but they were like a political puppet troop that I think it started in New York. And then they moved to Goddard college in kind of the middle of nowhere, Vermont. And you can, they're still up there in the Northeast kingdom.

So you can go up there. They have these like giant puppet shows, circuses, and all of these, you know, weirdo people like me have moved out to the woods so you can go out there and somebody will have built like a outdoor theater where they're putting on like Shakespeare plays every summer and you know I one time a friend told me about this bakery it's called

Bohemian Bakery I it's I don't think it's there anymore, which is tragic, but it was a bakery that this couple started in their barn. And the guy was a trained Dutch baker. They come back, make this little bakery. It's only open for three hours every Sunday. The best, just the best baked goods I've ever had. I love it. And they had this like Maserati of espresso makers out there. And so you could get your espresso and like fresh croissant. In the garden, in the woods. I'm telling you, it's like not advertised. There's so many things like that.

You know, you just like wander around. You'll find something cool. We used to play the Zen Bar in a lot. Remember that? Zen Bar a lot. Remember that? Zen Barn? What town is that? Waterbury or something? Waterbury?

Waterbury, Vermont? Yeah, I wonder if that place is still there. We just slept there when we played Higher Ground. They put us up at the Zen Barn. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I know that place. I know that place. I've never played there. It's beautiful, though. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I know that place. I know that place. I've never been there.

It's beautiful, though. Oh, it's beautiful in the woods. I mean, I loved it. Yeah. Let's shout out to Vermont. Let's fucking go, Vermont. Shout out, Vermont. Shout out to Vermont.

Caroline, thank you. Oh, this is going to be a standing ovation. Thanks for being on the show. I really appreciate it. My final, final, final, final question is when it's all said and done, um, what do you want to be remembered by? Oh,

well, hopefully my songs outlive me. You know, I, I really hope like, even if I had one song that outlived me, I think that would be a success for me you know i i love what i do and i feel like if i do it well i am i'm making something that could potentially move people and you know

what better way to feel like you've done you've done something with your life than making people feel things. Right. He's just like magical power. Right. Well, fuck, I'm thankful to be in existence where there's a Caroline Rose in existence. So thanks for being here. Oh, thanks, Andy. To be continued, bud.

Go kick ass out there. Don't take any fucking, no surrender, no suppression. Oh, thanks, Andy. To be continued, bud. Go kick ass out there. Don't take any fucking, no surrender, no suppression. When you feel like you're feeling like shit, don't take no shit from nobody, okay? You got it. Thanks, bud. You got it. Have a great day.

Texas way. Thanks for being part of the show. You too, man. Later, bud. Thank you so much for having me. Of course. Bye. You tuned in to the World'saving Podcast with Andy Fresco. Thank you for listening to this episode.

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