Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 214: GRiZ

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

Watch this episode streaming now!! Ho boy, have we got an episode for you. This week we welcome a real one; not just any tall, handsome, and super talented guy, but a dude with whom we're on a first name basis with now: GRiZ! (aka Grant Kwiecinski) Andy & Nick double team this interview and guess what? Turns out we learned a lot about music making manifestos and what it takes to make it in the world as a hot guy who's also super good at music. Catch him live and/or learn more about this Detroit native if you haven't already... Call/text us and leave a message: [phone]  No topic is out of bounds... Pre-save You Do You on apple music and/or Spotify! Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. And don't forget to catch the band in a town near you andyfrasco.com/tour Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Check out Andy Frasco & The U.N. (Feat Little Stranger)'s new song, "Oh, What A Life" on iTunes, Spotify  Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix & some music by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Yeti Floyd Kellogg Arno Bakker

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Andy Frasca's World Series Podcast. Did I just look at you? Yeah, just look at me. There's three cameras. You can look at this one, this one, this one. Oh, there's that one too. Wow. I thought it was just this one. I was like, I'm going to get a side profile.

We have a real rock star in the house tonight. Yeah. How you doing, Grant? I'm good. How you doing? What's going on? Not much. in the house tonight. Yeah. How you doing, Grant? I'm good. How you doing? What's going on? Not much. I feel really great.

Yeah? You happy to have a little time off or what? Yeah. I'm just trying to carve out my life so that it has a better balance of time off, time on, so I can live life and make music that feels... We're going right into it. Let's pop off, buddy. we're going right into it.

Let's pop off, buddy. I want to make music that feels really worth a shit and that requires time to experiment with music. Like, I make like

drop replacement, a song, whatever kind of thing, play it and just have fun with it for a little bit. But then I think it becomes this like

expectation that like if I play something live, it's like has to be released or people get like really attached to a thing, which is cool because I have the best fans on the fucking planet. Yeah, you do have dope fans. People really love

grasping onto and creating a mythology around certain things. But I kind of liken it like, hey, it was just a riff that was made for the live space for a moment. And that's just where it exists. So how do you approach that when you're such a big machine now? You have a bunch of moving

parts. How do you tell people no, I need to take some time for my mentals? Well, yeah, because I'm a human and not a machine. And so many people need you for their happiness. So it's like a lot of pressure, right?

I need me for my happiness, too. Come on, clap for that. Let's go. We their happiness. So it's like a lot of pressure, right? I need me for my happiness too. Come on, clap for that. Let's go. We need happiness. Happiness. No, we need happiness for ourselves. I mean, because you're always like, that's what I love about your social media and how your presence is like, yo, I got this.

I'm in the studio. I got this new drop. And then like, is there pressure to always like have to play that at your next show? Sometimes I just played once. It helped jump like 60 hours into this like, you know, two minute thing.

And I'm like, that's it. It's gone now. And I'm like, dude, I'm like doing to myself. I know. Emotional damage.

It reminds me of like how standup comedians, once they release their material, they kind of burn it. It's like similar to a standup comedian. Yeah. Like once you burn it, it's release their material, they kind of burn it. It's similar to a stand-up comedian. Yeah. Once you burn it, it's burnt. But it takes forever to develop it.

And I'm practicing maybe going back to certain things and taking little ideas from it and putting in new places. I always start from scratch, too. So whenever I start a new song, I don't say presets or anything like that. So I'm always starting all the way over. And it just takes a lot of time and a lot of exploration, but then a lot of new things happen out of it. So,

and I got, I've gotten really good at doing it, you know, like making music because I, I've been constantly just like starting over from scratch and like making this brand new thing every time. So I don't know. You put in your 10,000 hours.

Do you ever just like wake up one day, you ever just wake up one day like, fuck this song sucks. It doesn't take a morning for that to happen. It doesn't take overnight. Does it ever not happen? Yeah.

Yeah. That happens. It sometimes not happens. Yeah. For sure. I mean look my shit stinks but sometimes it doesn't.

Yeah. You know sometimes I'm like damn it's so sick. That's so awesome. Yeah. And I get so gassed and then I look back and I'm like hmm.

You know like it's not. Is there more pressure when you're collabing with someone? You're like, ooh. Yeah. Sometimes there's not a pressure because I feel like you can kind of fall into that person and just be like, you know what? I think that my contribution isn't great,

but I really admire your abilities. So you got it. You are so fucking nice. I'd be like, yo, this shit's trash right now. We need to restart. We like, you got it. You are so fucking nice. I'd be like, yo, this shit's trash right now. We need to restart. We need to restart the building.

I mean, that's also real too. Like, I mean, you know, and it's just different people, um, receive,

uh, criticism, feedback differently. And it's also really difficult to like, criticize like a friend. Right. So tough. How do you do that?

How do you do that? Exactly. You know, it's like with love. Yeah. I don't know. Like, I don't even How do you do that? Exactly. You know? It's like with love. Yeah. I don't know. Like, I don't even want to talk about it.

Like, is it passive aggressive? Like, if you're like, No, no, no, no,

no. Passive aggressive would be like, it's good. Right, yeah. It's fine. I like, I like it.

It's fine. You can play it in your set. Yeah, yeah. It's good. Yeah, yeah. No,

I don't need it. I don't need the wave. Oh, no. No, I have it already your set. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't need it. I don't need the wave. Oh, no. No, I have it already. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Can you just tell right away when a collab's not going to work out? Oh, no.

Is this too much for this morning? No, it's fine. It's fine. It doesn't matter. Do I know right away? Yeah. I don't. Yeah.

Look, this intuition really knows. And sometimes I'm like, sometimes I think that letting your intuition kill a project is great. But sometimes maybe I'm not super involved in understanding my intuition. Maybe my intuition, sometimes I misinterpret my intuition

for laziness or anxiety or fear maybe my intuition is guiding me away from an experience and I'm like oh but it was actually like laziness or anxiety or fear so like say for example

you had a project, wasn't going well and maybe I just wasn't feeling it and it's not my intuition that's like wasn't filling it and it's not my intuition that's like don't do it it's like my unwillingness to work on the thing harder to make it into a good thing you know so like I first I would always be like okay maybe it's just not enough hours right like put at this thing yet and that's that's kind of me though that's just like my vibe is like if something's not working I just musically I just haven't given it enough of my time and attention yeah so it's like are you a perfectionist um it doesn't have to be perfect uh-huh but

but but I like to have things a certain way right certainly you know like in my head so um is that the same concept with like what do you what do you mean perfectionist like um do you have, what do you mean? Perfectionist? Like, um, do you have this, like, have you had this vision since you're a kid of how your career was always

going to take off? And like, you don't see, if you don't see that path, like if you're like kind of veering away from that path a little bit, you kind of like get anxiety to push yourself back into that path of like full, full vessel opening or is that the right thing to say?

Yeah, certainly. I totally feel that. And I, if that is your definition of perfection, then I, I, I certainly feel that way a lot.

And what's your definition of perfection? Um, I don't know. I don't know. That's why I asked you. That's why we're here to talk. That's why we're here to talk. That's why we're here to talk. A perfectionist is someone who can't finish something.

So I'm a perfectionist in bed. Let's go. There's only three ways to find out. Oh my gosh. Even with like, when you did that Christmas thing, and a couple things happened where you couldn't do your show Like the cops came

Does that bum you out? You figure out a way to figure that out You just say that's just the universe I think at this point I'm caring less about the things That I don't really have control over Like if something happens I'm just like fuck it

It's going to be okay. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I put in so much hard work for my fans and the fan experience. And I sacrifice a lot of my time and also my money at their behest. So I'm like, I'm good. I'm having the conversations. I'm putting in the work. So when something doesn't necessarily work out, I'm like, all right, I got your back. Cause you got my back.

And like, we were working on this together. It's not going to be, it's not going to be perfect. It's not going to be for, and I'm okay with that. I think going back to the career thing and seeing it for like this crystal clear vision of what I think it should have been.

I use that to guide me to the place that I am now. And now I'm, I'm practicing. Cause it's a practice. It doesn't just happen. You just tell yourself something and then it happens. Like quitting smoking,

which we can talk about. We'll talk about that. You're going to hook me up with some advice on that. It's practice though. Everything in life is practice. Living is a practice. It's like a practice

of letting go of this has to be or should be or is required to be this way and this thing. It doesn't have to be this thing. So I'm like letting go of this idea of perfection

and what does that look like? You know, and it sucks sometimes, you know, and other times it's really liberating where I'm like, oh, I don't need to do these things. And I'm understanding so much about myself and that's kind of all wrapped in with what's been transpiring with me over the past few months of like letting things go and feeling like

I want to understand what these things feel. And I think that it's going to be a little tough. What's going on. What's been going on the last couple of months. Um, not to get too deep, but to get into a space of understanding that there's certain things that I like my work ethic, I think is one of those things, um, where I think you need to like, not, I need to, but i have been looking back on how i work and like in what space what results of it what's my expectation and what do i think is required to be able to be the workforce that i am so i think about my my when i'm at my best as a musical production entity i'm like i will clock 10 hours in the studio every single day.

Jesus fucking Christ. And, and I will smoke a lot of cigarettes. I will drink a lot of coffee. I will eat one and a half meals. Right. And I, I,

um, what is that? So what is that mindset? And that mindset is, I think that what it boils down to is I love setting myself up in a space where by way of like drugs, nicotine and caffeine, which are certainly drugs,

help like aid myself into, and marijuana as well, help aid myself into a space of escapism where time doesn't exist. into a space of escapism where time doesn't exist. And I work really fast into this infinitum of work, brain space where I'm like in my spaceship studio thing. And I'm just like, it's just, I don't even exist. I'm just like editing automation and like playing saxophone recording,

you know, and just like sitting here for hours, you know, like this, this thing I'm like raging, but I'm like not existing. I'm like soul entity expressing this thing. And I love that, but it's so, um, the, the how of being in that space, that practice is really negative for like my like cellular organism oh yeah we're killing ourselves doc it's not good yeah um so i'm trying to figure out what it's the work the work ethic thing like we're seeing i'm the same way i work 10 hours a day i'm always working and uh what even though we're like doing great in our careers what drives us to keep on killing our body with this 10 hour

work day you You know what I'm saying? Like you're working all the time too. I see you. I talked to sulking about you. I'm like, this man never fucking stopped. So is it the anxiety of like, you want to like live the fullest and like try to do as much as you can before we expire? Or is it the idea of, I just don't know other life. I don't know how to be a person without working. You know, that's how I'm, those are the questions I'm going to ask myself in my head. I think you, you know, you bring up a, you bring up an interesting point, which is, um, um, you know, motivation because of the, the, the fear of death, right. You know, like the, like the

impending, the impending end of practice, you know, like the impending end of practice. Right. You know, this is your last day of practice. Yeah, exactly. So I want to do as much as I can before I leave this planet.

I am motivated by that. So I want to create a bunch of stuff. You know, in like a thousand years, no one's going to give a fuck that you ever existed. Maybe.

And, you know, like I think that things will get, you know, uploaded to the internet and maybe your songs will exist on Apple Music and Tidal and Spotify forever. I hope not. I don't know.

Maybe. I don't know. Are we distracting ourselves from the bigger questions in life? I have two questions for you right now. We'll keep going. Are you ever an asshole? To your friends or something? Who are you mostly an asshole to?

But ass assholeism looks so different. It doesn't just look like being like loud and angry. Assholeism can also be like extra ambivalent. You know? Or

like just like pulling away. And so that's what I do. That's my assholeism. It's like escaping do is like, that's my asshole is like, is like escaping, retracting. That's how I am too. Coming in for myself and like,

people are like, Hey, I want to be a part of your thing. You know, give me a little bit of you. And I give a lot of myself to other people instead of giving it myself to like my like really closest friends, family,

and people. Strangers. Why do we do that? Because's easy yeah it's easy because they are the person that they are they see the person that you've wanted them to see right and like you can build that relationship like that and you don't uh you've never had to say sorry to them yet or and then it's a different beast when they live with you. What roommate are we talking about right now? They don't know the real you. They don't. No, you're absolutely right, man.

Which is fair. And that's okay. We don't always have to be this real-ass person for everybody. True. I mean, there's that... I'm a really great person. I do believe that I do have, I do have my major faults and,

but I don't need to be this really super real ass person for everybody. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Right. It's not like I'm going behind closed doors doing a bunch of fuck shit. You know, like that's not what it is. It's just that like, I'm giving myself to everybody in a public facing eye,

the best versions of myself. And everybody doesn't need all the other shit. Like, you don't need to hear about my middle school fucking trauma and all that kind of stuff. And like the way that I carry it with myself and my parents and how they fucked me up. And I'm not going to like dump that on a bunch of people, you know,

like dump it on the people that are close in your life, like in therapy, you know, like, like, like that. Why is it so hard to be vulnerable with the people that we care about the most? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Okay, I think that because it's like farting in front of the person that you think is hot. Yeah, right. That's true. Sort of, maybe. Like that kind of thing. Because you're more vulnerable. I mean, just are more vulnerable with people you know the best. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Because they know your weaknesses more it's like it's like i don't want them to ever smell me fart you know because like i'm gonna be around these people a lot and i really like like them so like i don't want them to know that i'm like a major majorly flawed person in all these different ways and i also don't like asking for help because i want to be seen as somebody who's really strong or a leader and i think that there's also probably some like male gaze type shit in there too of like this like thing

like need to be dumb kind of thing patriarchal like programming nonsense you know so there's a lot of facets to it I think also I think you give I'm not saying you but like I'm saying my examples is we give vulnerability for that 10 hours a day for everyone else.

The minute that we're back with the people that we love, we got no gas in the tank. Exhausted. Yeah. Yeah, exhausted. And then we sound like we're a dick because we have no gas in the tank. Yeah. So how do we delegate work life balance? Well, I guess, is it a problem for you?

Is the first, and I'm not, it's like single you, you, you, it's like, it's like, you know, me, me looking to me, like,

is it a problem for me? And if it is, let me see what I should change about these things to get to a place that I would really prefer to be in. And I think, you know, that's at least the first question to ask and then start poking at like, okay, this needs to change.

If that changes, how does that feel? And it's going to be uncomfortable, you know, like finding uncomfortability in myself of like, Hey, I'm not working 10 hours a day this past two weeks because I've been really looking after my health and I've wanted to be really present for my dog.

Right. And I've wanted to continue to be really present for like my relationships that don't necessarily exist in Denver. Like my mom, my brother, my friends back in Michigan. How do I... Those are important things to me. So it can't do everything. Becoming okay with not being able to do everything.

And also wanting to be a better player. And I don't... I would be really scared. And, you know, I don't, I would be really scared. The thing that I'm really afraid of is not like, if in some time of crisis, something happens to like somebody really close to me, they're like, I'm like, why didn't you call me? They're like, well, you're always just so busy.

Me too, bro. Then you feel like we're not friends anymore. Like we're not even getting intimate conversation. Cause you're not. I know. Cause you don't show up. I know. See, it's us. I'm not saying it's not, but I'm kind of saying it might be.

It's me. Hi. I'm the problem. It's me. It's true. I get that. I'm going to clap to that. Let's clap to that. Because self-accepting is the problem. We're the problem. Shout out to the problem. You're welcome. You're welcome.

You're welcome. You were right. Yeah, mom, you were right. Now I'm working on it. Oh, it's mom. But it's my job, too. It's also my job. Yeah, it's also my job.

Yeah. The first person to ever call me Celsius was my ex-girlfriend. Wow. Was she right? Well, like, that I listened to. That's what ex-girlfriends do, though. But, like, she was, like, she dedicated life to me. I mean, that's a, yeah, it's tough, right?

Because there's so much other stuff wrapped up in it. Exactly. Time gives us a really great frame of reference for those things. And also being able to see when, you know, somebody that you were in conflict with, able to, like, see them and find some sort of, like, oh, you were right about these kinds of things. And maybe not let it dictate where things go. So you're like, you were right. And then I changed. Because I've done that.

I've changed. But then I made the change for somebody else instead of for me to make my life more dope. Because at the end of the day, it's like, oh, man. I'm a lovely person. I love spending time with myself. But do I really love on myself? I'm really happy in a moment and I can kind of be like, that's for me, you, me. That's for me.

I feel good about that. When something really grandiose and beautiful and great and like substantial happens in your life it's like my first impulse is to like share that with other people right and like celebrate it with like a group of people it's like because that's you know it's fucking mazel tov dude i'm happy i want you to feel this happiness uh and then i'm not letting myself feel it because i'm like letting myself only feel as much happiness as is reflected by the people around me instead of through myself, for myself. I'm not really celebrating my own victories with me. No, you're celebrating it to...

Do you feel like sometimes you're bragging about happiness? Maybe it's not bragging. It's like... Yes. Ego-filled... If I'm happy, I want to share share it i see that you're happy for me and then i humble the situation oh no yeah oh silly no no no no it's not it's nothing that was a different guy yeah and then it's like i'm so humble but that's also some real smug shit yeah

yeah i also used to do that too where I'm like it's what years was that? Every year always you know that's just something that comes in yeah you know I like cause it's like I'm like oh like I'm not that great you know and I'll have a tough time understanding how to

let myself like celebrate my wins and be like that was fucking awesome I am awesome that's great for me and I don't need to like tell a bunch of people or maybe I do, that was fucking awesome. I am awesome. That's great for me. And I don't need to like tell a bunch of people, or maybe I do need to tell people that like, I am that dope. And I do really think that, because maybe that helps me motivate and like continue to have this like

self-resolve against people that will say that I'm not, because there'll always be those people. Yeah. They're just hating hoes. Yeah. That's, that will always happen. And that's,

Taylor's all this time, but you know, I was listening to like Meg Thee Stallion or something, and she talks about how dope she is or something like that and I get this kind of like vote of self confidence

and I'm like I mean maybe I could kind of like do that too but in my own way because I'm not like you know we're not the same but maybe just

pumping yourself up so you can get that dope sometimes we need that fucking yeah that's big it's like Wolf of Wall Street I'll take an arrogant person

over false humility any day of the week. It's way more palatable to me. Because false humility comes off more arrogant. Right. And confidence, I think. It's definitely, yeah, it's annoying. It's a lot. Okay, dude, you're crushing it.

Just say you're crushing it. Why do we misunderstand arrogance and narcissism? Because it's a really fine line and it takes a say you're crushing it. Why do we misunderstand arrogance and narcissism? Because it's a really fine line and it takes a lot of nuance. Right. COVID happened and nobody knows how to... Also, narcissism... Sometimes narcissists hate themselves. It's not always arrogance and narcissism.

It's like a projection of something else that becomes arrogance. Have you seen that at shows ever since after COVID? Just like the change in people? Hmm. Have you seen it? I've seen it a little bit. People are going to bed a little earlier. shows ever since after COVID, just like the change in people. Have you seen it? I've seen it a little bit. People are going to bed a little earlier. Yeah, also, I feel like social... I feel like people are just a little

socially more... I'm going to bed early. Y'all are still out, right? You're only 23, guys. Also, people are socially... There's something different. It's like they're more awkward. Some people are more... I notice something different. It's like they're more awkward or some people are more. I noticed that in you a lot. Yeah.

No, that's the same. That's the same. You can roast me. It's fine. No, no, no.

I don't want to start doing it. No, okay. You went on kind of like a little like mental detour going to Thailand or something? Japan? Where'd you go?

I was in, yeah, I was in Asia for all of January and that's something that I'm going to continue doing. That was our third time going out there. Yeah, it's great.

I go with a few friends and don't go for work. What do you do? Nothing. I brought my computer. Next time, I'm not going to bring my computer. That's dangerous. The first two times I went,

I ended up making like a bunch of music that I felt like pretty cool with. But then I also found myself kind of like trying to put myself into that space of like, I re like, I want, like I will keep, I want to, I want to hold onto that identity of like music maker here in this space,

which I thought was cool. Right. Um, and, but it wasn't a vacation. Um, it still was. Yeah. It did feel like it. I don't, I don't know. Like, and, but it wasn't a vacation. Um, it still was. Yeah.

It did feel like it. I don't, I don't know. Like, I just need to experiment with different things because I did enjoy that as a vacation. And then I also want to experiment with like, uh,

like trying, um, not bringing my computer or like my devices to like make music or the commitment to make music. Right. Cause this last trip I brought my computer, but it ended up like making like almost like next to no music. Because this last trip, I brought my computer, but I ended up making almost next to no music.

Because I kind of tried to, and I felt like this wasn't a genuine... Then you're just checking emails. You could take your horn and just practice in the jungle. Dude, I don't want to take that thing. It's a lot to run around. Or maybe just a banger joint. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

What'd you learn from Eastern philosophy? Like, you know, traveling out there that you've taken back to America for yourself. Um, slow down. Yeah. That's probably the big one.

It's amazing when you go to these different countries and like not have the rat race of America. Yeah. Try to like force you to work, work, work, fucking keep writing songs, keep doing big shows, do Christmas every year, your book for 10 years, brother, let's fucking go, brother, let's cancel the charity part of it.

Get rid of the charity part. Just make money, brother, make money. 15% we may be getting. Yeah, we're increasing profits. No, but you know what I'm saying? Slowing down. Give me an experience where you like caught yourself like trying to move faster than life itself out there.

Okay, this was the first time I went out there. It wasn't necessarily like moving faster. I think it was just sort of like figuring out the demeanor of people. And this doesn't speak for everybody because everyone's different. You don't go to America and get the same person times all of America,

nor in Thailand. But I mean, pervading thoughts, whatever. That shit aside, creating some sort of generalization, which is awful, don't do it,

but I guess I'm doing it. I don't know. This one guy, Tom, is the best though. He was a good reflection for me of something that I needed to hear, which was trust and also slow down. I was at this breakfast place. I love this breakfast place.

I'm there every morning. He's a farmer. He grows all this shit that he sells there. It's in a small town called Pai in northern Thailand, which is the best place. Go there. I'm going there. Yeah, go there.

I only fuck around the south. I had to do north. I heard north is amazing Yeah, go there. I only fuck around the South. I gotta do North. I heard North is amazing. Yeah, it's all the way in the North. Yeah, Chiang Mai, take the three-hour drive. Yeah, there. There, stay there.

You rented a house? What'd you do? I stayed in, I probably will rent a house like next time, like a condo probably situation because I want to stay for like a month

and just like hang out there and do nothing and just exist. I just want to like exercise, eat good food, drink St. Sam's sodas and watch sunsets. Yeah, I've heard that food is just incredible. Food's incredible.

It's light too. It's nice, right? It's very affordable. I mean, you can engorge yourself with it. There's as much fucking potstickers on the planet and that type of shit. You can get full. I'll clap that. I'll clap that. Shout out to potstickers. Dumplings. Gyoza cream. Gyoza cream. Shouts out. Shouts out the set. Rep the set. So you're in North Thailand.

Northern Thailand. And so I'm at my like breakfast spot. And I forgot my wallet. And I was like, oh shit. And I was like, Tom, dude, my bad. I forgot my wallet. It's back at my hotel. I'll go get it and I'll come right back.

I'm so sorry. Like, you know, I'm like feeling like really anxious. I'm like, dude, I messed up. Like I fucked up the right back. I'm so sorry. I'm feeling really anxious. I'm like, dude, I messed up. I fucked up the relationship. I'm that guy now. You can take my, I don't know, something. It's collateral or whatever. And he was like, why are you in such a hurry?

Why are you in such a hurry? He's like, you'll be back tomorrow. Just come back tomorrow. I'll see you tomorrow. Not even like, all right, see you later today. Just like, come just drop it off because pie is teeny.

You know, I've drive past that place a billion times. Were you like mopedding or like had a little scooter? Yeah, scooter. A little scooter moped.

God, you're living it up. Dude, it's the best. That sounds so fun. It doesn't get better. Like for me. So,

you're in this moment of anxiety over just like $10 or $5. Right. Yeah, like five. Because you didn't want to ruin the relationship yeah like that has like five bucks for breakfast and yeah i didn't want to ruin the relationship and i think it taught me um slow down is an important one and like i can also like like other people can like help me yeah it's like i got you

kind of thing like he wasn't like, I it's like, it's on me. Like it had a more resounding effect than like, Hey, you don't even have to pay me back. Right. I just liked that. He was like,

he trusted me and was like, you're good kind of a thing. And, and I don't know, that just felt, it felt really nice. And it felt just really took me off guard. And,

um, but I think the fact that it took me off guard was a little alarming. And maybe it shows how much or how little I trust people. Like I would almost rather pay for somebody's meal than be like, oh, just pay me back tomorrow kind of situation. Because like, I'll just get it done. It's just done now.

Same. Don't worry about it. I'm like that too. It's done. Why do you feel like you always have to have the way of the world on you? Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

Because I create the world. Yeah. I create the world that I see. And I feel, I felt like for a long time that, okay, so right when I started doing the whole thing, I was like, I can get this thing. I know what I want. Like, it's crystal clear vision perfectionism. I know what I want. I can get exactly there.

It was like, bing. There's this, oh, man, there's this anime. It's called Demon Slayer. I've heard of that. What is it about? It's this guy, this kid Tanjiro and his sister. And I don't want to, like, spoil anything. But, like, Tanjiro, he becomes, like, a great samurai warrior.

And his sister, something happens to her and to like spoil anything, but like Tanjiro, he becomes like a great samurai warrior and his sister, something happens to her and they kind of like work together. And it's like when he's fighting, he actually uses his nose for like a scent. It's like a scent thing. It's not like he like smells, he like smells energy sort of.

It's kind of weird, but it's cool. It's just different. And when he gets to like the, like the kill shot, like the moment where he knows that he can like win this thing, it's like this thread that's sort of like swirling around and all of a sudden becomes like tight and perfectly linear. And he likes sharp and you can like see right towards this moment where

he's like, I that's it. You know, I've been looking for this like thread and he finds it. And I felt like that for a really long time. And I'm like, I can see it so fucking perfectly exactly how to get there. And to me,

I was like, I am a world builder. I can create this world. And like anything that gets in, I like, I can just like beeline straight through anything that gets in the way. I like bend the will of the universe to get to this point. And it got me to a really great spot,

I think like successfully. And then I think it left me in a really bad spot on a spiritual level. I think it was pseudo-spiritualism that I was telling myself I was working, but I was really masking a lot of it with overloading on caffeine, spending a lot of time. Americans are fucked, man. We really value output and work ethic. Yeah, for sure.

That's fucked. We see that and it's ethic. Yeah, for sure. That's fucked. We see that and it's like, oh, they're great. They're doing great. Look at how much they're doing. You are doing so much, so you're great. And I think that it took me to get a little bit older. I'm 32 now.

To see that that's maybe not how I would measure success for myself and for other people anymore. And if I saw somebody really overworking, maybe I would be like, Hey, are you okay? Right. I noticed you bought a new house.

Are you doing okay? I noticed you just got a beach house. Is everything okay? Do you need to get into therapy? I'm clapping to that. Are you okay? We forget. Yeah.

Yeah. It's different. Cause we're so absorbed in our own path. Yeah, yeah. It's different. Because we're so absorbed in our own path. Yeah. Right? And we forget that other people are dealing with the same fucking rat race. We have some Spanish guys on the beach just sun tanning at like 3 p.m. I know.

And we're like, oh, so lazy. And we're all dying. I know. I know. I know. That's true. That's. Like, maybe they have it right.

Tapas rules. We don't need one big plate We need a bunch of small plates It's more I swear it's more Oh man When did you see this dream so clear? When? When did you see this dream of you being like musician

Like you knew that I know these parts I remember 2008 It was like the first years that I went to go see like major music festivals and I was like I can do that

oh yeah it's just a matter of time what'd you see and you don't have to say the person but what'd you see in them that you felt like you'd do better um track transitions

to set movements cause like that was also the first time I was really experimenting with imbibing heavy doses of hallucinogens publicly. Right. Did you stop doing that? Good. I mean, I'm in the same boat, brother.

I think publicly, like at a music festival, you wouldn't catch me at any music festival like that anymore. Probably because it's just my job. I've tried to be a little bit more incognito at places and sometimes it works really well and sometimes it sort of backfires a little bit. And that's okay. I'm not trying to say that that's one way or the other. That's just how it is.

Is it hard to run around in Denver? Sometimes. Difficult? I mean, I don't know. It's just... Can you have fun without people asking for photos every 10 seconds? Yeah. I can also say no. Oh, you say no? Sometimes. I'm clapping that too.

I can't do that. Sometimes. How do I not... I don't know. Your character's different too. It's like, you know what I mean? No, he's Mr. Happy, Mr. Friendly too. He puts that out out there all the time. You're so accessible. I mean, look, I found that it is easier to say yes to something like that and just like let the moment happen.

Take a little modicum of appreciation from it. And like just try and sit with it. Because every single time I do have this moment where I'm like, cause I'm allowed to be in a shitty mood. And sometimes I am. And I had this moment of being like, and I'm like,

so the feeling a little sideways or whatever. And someone's like, Hey, I'm like, Hey, you know, it's like, it's like,

why did I say that? It's like, I just feel like, I'd be like, Hey, why did I say that? I don't know. What the fuck?

Well, no, cause you're holding all this shit in. Yeah. It's like, yeah. You're holding seen that? I don't know. What the fuck? Well, no, because you're holding all this shit in. Yeah. Yeah. There's a meme about that. Sometimes it's just, it's like kind of like when you like, you have a really bad stomach and you accidentally just throw up a little bit.

No. That might be your diet, bro. I think that's my acid reflux. Too much porridge. Too much. Yeah. I drink, I eat congee every day. I love it.

Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. One fold. I go to one fold every morning. That's my shot. We need some sponsorship money from there. We're saying that.

We've been saying that. I get them delivered all the time. Yeah, the burritos. Smell the burritos. It's so good. It's so good. So go back to this 2008 when you just saw the vision so clearly. And you attacked it, right?

You said, I'm in this full on. That's when you started becoming a workaholic? No. I mean, those tendencies started much earlier. And I definitely got this. I'm really thankful that the project is set up how it is. Because when I was a lot younger, I found that I could, like, my family life wasn't great. So I found that the thing that I could control was, like, school and the school projects. And if I was given a school project, I'd be like,

got this. I got this. Don't even work on it. I'm going to do all the work because I know it's going to be great. You're a CEO. Do your managers just fucking hate you? No, I love them. My manager hates me because I do everything.

Even if they want to help. You got to work on delegation, man, because that is like, that's the, that's, that's something that's going to free your mind for sure is I need to work on that. Yeah. I mean, you don't have to touch everything. When did you start doing that? Cause it seemed like you were taking control of everything, your whole career until still am still am very much. So, um, I'm still super involved, but I think that there, and I still am involved and there are ways to be able to be really involved without touching every last thing of the thing.

So I mix master and produce all my own music. And I write the vast majority of it as well. We have the merchandise line, but that's what I'm talking about. That's with, that's with my, that's my buddy Jared. And you know,

one of the things that I told him was like, Hey, if you're emailing me about something and I'm not getting back to you about it, then you just print it because like, you trust him. Yeah. And like at this point,

you know what I want. And like the type, like the types of shit they're going for. We still have like, you know, biweekly meetings about certain lines. We go do a few hours of merchandise talks

bi-weekly, but I'm not touching every single moment of that conversation. We used to go through and he'd be like, what do you want to name all these things? I'd be like, lie. I just don't need to touch all these things because we have a designer, we have him who runs

and and that whole business i'm like okay cool so that's good we have the show side of things i'm like okay cool now we have like a grizz presents page and i'm like you guys you do a grizz presents yeah we we have like um we just have like a social media page because i can't be the one to post all the small minutiae details about things like where are watering stations, where is our harm reduction site, what are they all about, do we have Narcan this time? Actually, I just found out a news article that Narcan is now available over-the-counter, which is amazing. I love that. That's a clap. That deserves a clap.

Let's go. So my question right now is like, can we have Narcan in every single state at our harm reduction booth, which is called the Harmony Project. But anyways, so we have like the Harmony Project, which is our harm reduction thing. And it's just like, I've put people in place and have deep conversation with them.

Like, all right, you're the person to do this. These are all the things you're supposed to do. Teach me what I should know about the thing that you're going to be in charge of doing. Go off into the world and do the thing and I'll check back in and see how things are going. Same thing with social media. I'm like, I will present a lot on social media

but I'm not going to have conversations with people on social media anymore. I'm stopping doing that for my own personal well-being. How'd you do that? Because I need to stop doing that. I do that all the time. No, I still check a few things sometimes. I think that it's just a practice.

It's just practicing and letting go. And what am I benefiting by letting go of this? What am I gaining by not doing that? So if it hurts, if it's hurting me, if I'm like, this is a problem, I'm identifying this thing. Let me evaluate my position with this, my relationship with this thing, social media. Is it a problem? How do I know if it is a problem. I'm identifying this thing. Let me evaluate my position with this, my relationship with this thing, social media.

Is it a problem? How do I know if it's a problem? Does it hurt? Yes, it hurts. Okay, what can I do to combat that? Do I like the hurt? Because it creates some sort of like, I'm not allowing myself to have all the happiness

that I should have. Or if I'm not feeling concerned or anxious about things that are happening in the world that I'm not caring just because you have something consciously in your brain that you're like dialed into like I know everything that's happening in in fucking Myanmar with with like there there is, there's a lot. What's up? Uh, me, me,

Myanmar. It's a country, Burma. Um, and it's right, it's right next to Thailand. And there was this, like,

there was this really awful, um, killed like a bunch of like Muslims. And there's this really awful, the country like separate, what the fuck is it? Like a genocide. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, happening there. It's like, it's like, I bet you didn't know about the fuck's happening in Myanmar, but, but now, but I do. And that makes me a really great person. It's like, I bet you didn't know about the fuck's happening in Myanmar, but I do, and that makes me a really great person.

It's like, I'm not donating any money to that cause. I listened to it. I heard about it on NPR, and I really got really involved and dialed in and got really sad. And it's like, what am I doing? Like, it's a huge life evaluation. Like, are things in my life,

am I just caring about them and letting them fuel my anxious body so that I feel like I'm alive? It's like doom scrolling. Exactly. Time filled by aliens. I've been so anxiety ridden about... These cannot stop thinking about aliens.

They're going to come and kill us and destroy us. I told you, they're driving by with the windows rolled up and the doors locked. Because we're going to steal their hubcap. Do you think that they're scared of us? I don't think they want anything to do with us. It's like driving by Mississippi. Let's not get gas here.

Can we go to the next town and get gas? They got an Arby's. So I like this idea of Dooms reading because we're doing it to ourselves we're putting the anxiety and we're putting the fear in ourselves you've been addicted to this low vibrational state

and that's the state that you think that you deserve because peace is not something that's really advertised and I think that is probably the goal for myself I don't know about for other people I want to kiss your therapist on the forehead because I'm clapping it up one more time for your therapist because

we don't get these ideas just come into the ether when we're workaholics. So did he really help you figure out this clean space in your brain? This is like stuff that I'm like just learning. I've learned through life coaching. Not me, life coaching. Somebody else.

You had a life coach? Yeah, it was like therapy life coach what tell me about this experience um i don't mind yeah that's that's okay i um my partner and i split and then i was like i'm gonna become a better person i'm gonna start seeing this person i did for a year and this was like pretty recently actually and um you're on the market? Pardon? Are you on the market? Are you a single man? I am a single man. Let's go. Let's go. Welcome back, brother.

Congrats. Welcome back. Congratulations on your loneliness. I'm just crying. I'm just crying. She's on your load. That's what I call my mom all the time hello

so right bring it back life coach there's been a lot of small things that have led me to these places one of the things is

my friends, the people that are close to me they're all ironically a lot of them are trained professionals in like therapy spaces or like wellness spaces, meaning like exercise or industry spaces. And they have done a lot of work themselves through like retreats and things like that, because we deal with similar kind of pressures and stresses and things of that nature. So I'm like, I learn a lot from my people. Like my community is really, really strong fraught with um a lot of knowledge and it's really up to me to like listen and take those ideas or not so i've been trying to listen practicing listening and i yeah feel it's it's important for me to it's important for me to say that this is not the end of the road.

But this wanting to be happy thing is pretty temporary. I want to be happy. Happiness is like a high. Where peacefulness is kind of like a state of being. Joy can be a result of, like echo out of this peacefulness you know and your peace can be fucked with too um so yeah i i don't know it's it's taking time and it's taking practice because i i get back into these spaces of feeling really mentally corrupted and and back into these spaces of of um, um, I just haven't been practicing

these things for long enough for them to feel like they're really ingrained and there's all, they're also fluid. So like, this isn't like the end of the practice. This isn't the end of like the search for knowledge. And, and, and within that is also like, you know, it's also confusing as well. And I do feel like I'm in a place of like like pretty like good spaciness good spaceness and also this is a space of like I I'm still kind of like I don't know what the fuck I'm doing yeah you know like I don't know but but then there's like good things that happen out of it and it's definitely a better headspace than I've been in in a while where it's felt like I'm just sort of ignoring it and I think that at some point it would probably lead me to like a pretty like I like I'd crash into something yeah I don't know

what it is but it but being like ignoring ignoring things that hurt um it it I think for me it would probably lead to crashing into something or ending up with some sort of like um to crashing into something or ending up with some sort of really negative addiction. Alcoholism or drug addiction or something that is... Sex or whatever. Sex, yeah, could be.

So it could end up into something a lot, a lot more negative. Do you regret breaking up? Do you go back and forth? I'm a very back and forth kind of person. That's how I am too. I'm very back and forth. Am I doing the and forth kind of person that's how I am too am I doing the right thing should we repair this

am I on this path letting go is really really tough I think people in relationships do that too though should I break up with this person I know I do oh god Julia don't be watching this but I have a question about

you're talking about how it's still a process. Do you think that kind of mirrors your production too? Like you are at a good place and you're very, but do you feel like you can always get a little better too? You know what I mean? I, you know, with songs,

when the, when that song is done, I'm actually like, I know that this is like symptomatic of like a, like a lot of producers or writers were like, I mean, I could work on that song for like forever. Yeah.

When that song is for me, when I like hear it's done, I'm like, that's fucking done. I don't know. You can't really make this shit any better. Not that I'm saying that it's going to be the most amazing thing ever, but I'm like, I'm like, it's done. Sometimes you try to make something better and ends up worse too, you know? Oh, I just tweaked it.

Oh God, I ruined all the reverb on everything. Yeah, totally. Oh man. I was like in a general way, just like your process, it's always getting more like streamlined and better, right? Like kind of like mental health in a way,, just like your process, it's always getting more streamlined and better, right? Kind of like mental health in a way. Yeah, I mean, the process of it for me right now is that it takes such a concerted effort for me to create ideas.

And I'm like a timing kind of person. And I'm like, no song that was abandoned was a waste of time because it was just one step closer to the better idea. I had to do that really shitty thing to get to the next thing that was great. So like, I want to honor all my time doing it. And because it is a practice, I do enjoy the process of making shitty music.

Yeah. It's like a jam. Yeah. It's like a jam. It's a jam. You can try to write a bad song and it'll turn out good. I know some people that do that. What's the shittiest song you ever wrote?

Yeah. Something yesterday. I don't know. You ain. What's the shittiest song you ever wrote? Something yesterday. I don't know. You ain't done yet. That actually came out. Yeah. What song do you still cringe about?

That's a good question. Oh, there's this. Okay. It's not that it's... There's a song that I have from a long time ago where there's an era of music that OG Grizz fans

really covet from this Mad Liberation era where people are like, that's the one, bro. And I'm like, for sure. I was that person. I am that person. I don't know.

I get it. It's awesome, for sure. I fucking love that shit. But there's a song, it's called Better Than I've Ever Been and there's this part of the song right in the middle where it just goes on this fucking like bonanza of just like nuts sounding

bass sounds and i'm like they are not eq'd very well it's really long it's like like two minutes i'm just like and i'm like oh my god and like i would like play this and like people would be like you didn't play out the entire thing? And I'm like, it's bad. It's not good. The Titanic of bass drops. Yeah, it's sinking. It's just going into oblivion. It's like so long.

Oh my God, yeah. You thought that was just the tip of the iceberg, brother. It's still going. Yeah, exactly. It's like that key and pill where they can't get out of the party. Every door is the same party. That happened to me last night at Lost Lake they can't get out of the party. Every door is the same party. That happened to me last night at Lost Lake trying to get out of there. You know, going back to this idea, you knowing when a song's done.

Yeah. Do you feel that way? Yes. 100%. Why can't we approach that with our life? Dude, wait. That's fucking, that's morbid, no? Not like, no.

This life is done. I think it's good. I think I'm good. Wrap it up. Throw me in the thing. Put me in the thing. I'm done. It's done.

It's done. Turn me over. I'm done on this side. No, no, no, no. What I'm saying... What do you mean by that? What do you mean? You know, the idea of like when we break up...

I'm just putting this relationship thing back in there. Okay. We break up. It's done putting this relationship thing back in there. Okay. We break up, it's done. But we still have those ideas like. But maybe. But maybe. It's like that's, why can't, you know, like that type of thing.

Or it's like your old self saying like, oh, you know, I'm not, no more, no more signatures or whatever. No more autographs. But maybe I'll take a couple of photos. You know, like. Right. Is the same philosophy, can we figure out that same philosophy to make us feel

more comfortable with the power of saying no outside of music? I'm just really trying to grasp what the, like, the feeling of, like, when the song is done, and it's's done and you can understand

that it's because of what? You're in the situation where you gave it all you can. You gave it all you can. You know that there's nothing left. But it's not the same finality though. That'd be like saying I'm done writing music forever.

Yeah, true. Right? Do you ever see yourself never not writing music forever. Yeah. True. Right? Or like... Can you ever... Do you ever see yourself never not writing music? Probably. I want to open a flower shop.

Nice. Oh, fuck it. Okay, let's talk about it. Okay, what do you got? What would it be called? I don't know. What type of flowers? All of them?

All of them, yeah. Yeah, they're good ones what's not like not like a succulent store like on some shit like that what's the water succulents again like like the green oh watery i just looked around i was like is it you keep like that no right there oh yeah okay like that's fake when they have like like aloe vera right right right but like the shit that aloe vera would Right, right, right. But like the shit that looks like that. Aloe vera would be a succulent. Right. Stuff like that.

Yeah, I think, yeah. I don't know anything about plants. What's your fascination with flowers? They're so pretty. That's such a good reason to like them. They're colored, they smell good. Yeah. And I love working with my hands.

Yeah. I love creating stuff. I like, you know, I do small handiwork shit around the house. It's not a lot. It's not a lot, but like, I have a toolbox, you know?

Sure. Okay. Is that why you like the saxophone? The tactile, like... I like touching things and like,

doing stuff. Like, it feels good. I like doing, I like working with my hands. It does feel good to play the saxophone, doesn't it?

It does. It feels real good. Very good feeling. And, yeah, it's like connecting breath with this thing and creating sound.

I mean, that's pretty cool. I mean, you're animating something, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. it's like connecting breath with this thing and creating sound. I mean, that's pretty cool. I mean, you're animating something, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's special. Sucks for people that play any other instrument. Yeah. Guitar.

Couldn't imagine. I've had a question about like... Cool scent. Are you in control of like your graphics or whatever? What do they call it? Art. Art, yeah. Like at a live show?

Yeah, like do you control that? I don't create that, but I give input as to what those things should look like. Like theme? What I want them to look like. And it's gotten so detailed as to like I am saying at six seconds, at six and a half seconds, at seven, at seven. Oh, shit. And it's like really like timestamped.

I even asked Ian Davis like how ridiculous my emails have gotten about those things. Cool. And I think a little bit recently, like as far as like album art goes and like that stuff goes, the thing that I really want to attempt and I'm, I'm, I'm practicing as well is finding an artist that I really enjoy and being like, Hey,

this is sort of the vision for it. I want you to create this thing and I'm just not going to give you any edits because I trust and I like your art and I just want to see what your brain makes. And then just, that's the dopest thing possible. And I'm not going to give you any edits because I trust and I like your art and I just want to see what your brain makes and then just that's the dopest thing possible and I'm not going to fuck with it it's just so cool you're so cool this is so cool and it's not my input other than like kind of setting it off into a you know a direction in the fucking infinite dimensionality space but kind of go there I don't know go in a squiggle and but just loving that and just being okay with like it doesn't need to be my idea you don't need to control it

it doesn't have to be super my vision and i've haven't done that for a long time but certain things in my career i have done that with and i have really loved the outcome in the long run right i'm like wow that's really. I have this piece of this thing. This person's brain is here, you know? And so just trying like that more than that. It's like going back to, you know, we don't really know each other, but for this hour, I feel like I've felt like you've, it's like the years of growing.

I told you. I told you grant rules. You fucking rule, bro. So delegation. So it's like not being a control freak. Yeah. But I am though, you know,. I told you, Grant rules. You fucking rule, bro. So delegation, so it's like not being a control freak. Yeah, but I am, though, you know,

and I know myself, you know. What is the Italian thing? Here's the thing. Both of you need to trust your intuition more with the people you hire. You're right, you're right. Because if you believe

in your intuition, you should let them do your job because you should believe that you hired the best person for the job, right? Right. Boom. Thank you, Father.

Yeah, I mean, at this point, I'm his dad, and he's my nephew. That's, father. Yeah, I mean, at this point, I'm his dad and he's my nephew. That's a really strong lesson and it's really, really tough to do that. You should use your confidence, though,

to inform that decision. Like, if you're confident about your intuition, they must be good. Yeah, and it's still frustrating sometimes when I find points

where I'm like, well, I would have fucking done that differently and more successful. It's like, you know what, man? Maybe not, though. Maybe not.

It's just right to go. What about like, maybe not. Just let it go. It's really Disney. What about with music? Yeah. No. Fuck that. No. Yeah.

Exactly. You know what I mean? That's your power. I'm like that, too. But that was the thing. And that's been my boundary when I've worked with people. I'm like, this Chris thing is my thing. I'm doing it.

That's my thing. this Chris thing is my thing. I'm doing it. That's my thing. That's okay for me to exhibit that kind of care and attention and create that boundary. I know that boundary for myself. That's my thing. I want to do it.

I want to fail through this thing if I need to. And I have. And that's okay. If we still like each other when we're 60, can I do flowers with you? That'd be awesome. I'm seriously down. That sounds beautiful.

My mom always wanted to have a flower shop. I promised her when I made enough money, I'd give her a flower shop. Flowers are awesome, man. It's just pleasant. Yeah, they're the shit. I think that... I would love to focus my energy On something outside of music Eventually

I don't know You still got so much Can you imagine Leaving a flower shop In a bad mood It's not You're right Yeah

It just smells great And everything I mean yeah People that are so calm They're around flowers all day Yeah some peaceful shit Some really peaceful shit Speaking of anxiety

Okay How do you Keep a dream It's not really anxiety Yeah, some peaceful shit. Some really peaceful shit. Speaking of anxiety, how do you keep a dream? It's not really anxiety, but for me, it's an anxiety. This is why I'm asking you. You're booty here. Not, but okay. To me, because I feel like we're kind of on the same wavelength with some of this type of stuff.

Doing two different things. How do you keep the dream alive when you've already seen your dream? Ooh. When I've already seen my dream? Like you've seen, like you're living your dream right now. How do you like further on the dream

of like staying yourself, keeping yourself inspired, keeping yourself in the dream, you know, instead of moving on and finding another dream? Well, what's your dream? Is your dream to climb a mountain?

My dream is to just- Metaphor dream is to just steadily climb the mountain. So you've gotten to the top? I got to a peak. Is that base camp three? He's on his way up the mountain. I'm on my way up. Yeah. But I haven't seen, I don't know what the top is.

I don't like putting an ending date to my dream. So my question is like, is your dream about having more? I think my dream is just my question is, is your dream about having more? I think my dream is just to keep it going. Okay, so you can just motion. Motion, yeah. So the dream killer would be to stop. Right. So you're asking me...

But like... You just answered my fucking question. You know what I'm saying? So you're like, how do you keep the dream? This guy is a fucking prophet. Just think about what is it really, though? What is it really? Because for me, the dream has been to more.

More has been my dream. Bigger and bigger. What's your dream? More. More tickets. More shows. More money. More space. More bigger. That's why I feel I'm afraid to admit it. That's okay.

But we need to be able to do that shit. Actually, I have a question for both of you on this topic. Wow, thanks for this. You're the man. I'd love to hang out with you more. That's cool. I know you're a busy dude. I won't bother you.

Well, you're a busy dude. Yeah, you're a busy dude. So we'll figure out some time to hang out. I'm not busy. Hit me up whenever. Well, you're a busy dude. Yeah, you're a busy dude. So we'll figure out some time to hang out. I'm not busy.

Hit me up whenever. I got one more question for you, bud, and I'll let you get through the day. Go back in the studio for, I can't believe, 10 hours a day. Yeah. You crazy motherfucker. It helps us in your backyard probably. It does. It really does.

It really does. You ever have someone has to force you to get out of the studio? Like, Grant, you're, you're just looking at crackheads. It's like, it can be addictive when you get into a flow. It gets addictive.

My ex would tell me that shit all the time. What's the most days you spent like just not, not sleeping, not just in the studio. How, what was the longest session you ever did? That's not me. I got to sleep.

Yeah, you got to sleep. Yeah, I got to sleep. I'm not, I'm also not like a super late studio guy because sometimes I'll tell myself that I'm that person and I'd be like,

okay, cool, we're gonna get really late night studio vibes. And then I'd be like, maybe when I was a bit younger and I would do Adderall and shit. I can't work at night. Yeah, me neither. Especially musically.

I don't think it's a creative time Like other people do For me at least But some people have different schedules Where they wake up really late And they do the night thing I'm more like a wake up at My body wakes me up at like 7.30 or 8

I'm just like I'm up And then I'm like okay cool I need to like Feed myself food And get my dog outside, walk my dog. Oh, you got a new dog. Yeah. How is it?

It's changed my life. I got to do that. Yeah. I got to get a dog. I don't know that it's necessarily for, I just want to say this, like it's not for everybody. And it also is, it takes time. You know, like it is a big time commitment because, you know,

she needs to be walked twice a day. Holy shit. Yeah. And I'd have to like, when she's not in her kennel, I have to give her conscious attention. Otherwise, she's going to turn into a terror. And it forces you to take breaks. You got a very smart breed.

She knows where she can get away. They require a lot. What's she, a husky or something? She's a micromini burnadoodle. What the fuck is that? It's like a Bernese and a poodle. They fucked and had a little baby? Bernese are big

dog, mountain dogs? Well, poodles are big. Oh, yeah. But it's over years. They don't just put two dogs together in Oregon. It's like years of breeding. Hey, bring our Oscar over here and have him fuck Dolly. Look at this dog suck? Hey, bring our Oscar over here. Aw, look at this. Dude, look at this.

Let's put that in there, bud. Name? Aw, you sweet girl. What's her name? Aw, Frankie. You're a good egg, buddy. Yeah, she's awesome. We're a dog-friendly pod.

I want to get... Look at this. It's chaos. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see. Psycho. We love dog pics.

We love dog pics We love dog pics He always brings a poodle He always brings his poodle I have a poodle A standard poodle He's a big boy named Denzel Denzel? That's cool

You don't really do a bus tour anymore You just do weekends? Yeah, yeah You like that better? I do like that so much better Because You fly in and make it easy? Yeah, it gives me the opportunity

To be off the road more Which is great Because I'm finding that Spending more time living my life outside of doing good stuff is really rewarding and love it and stuff but it's a huge luxury man because i've been able to get like work to this point where i don't like financially have to work as much as i used to and and but it's also like i've also decided that like in my dream i've i've started to understand that it's also like I've also decided that like in my dream I've started to understand that it's not

like the dream isn't about having more it's about it's about being okay with having enough because there's a ceiling to this thing like Grizz

I was like Grizz the world you know it's so stupid was it nice to be in Thailand and no one knew who you were yeah fuck yeah until then there was like

some people were like oh my god are you here and I'm like oh man I'm like yes I'm here like, oh my God, are you here? And I'm like, oh man, I'm like, yes, I'm here. It's nice to see you. You said Sophie?

I'm like, yes. God damn it. It's Harpy in 6'3", too. You gotta just, when you're doing those trips, no posts. It's okay.

It's okay. Or like, get a green screen and pretend like you're in Poland or something. I'm at home in the studio having some Thai food. Just hear Thai.

Just hear like, just like Thai people that's a boot. We're working on a new track. I'm collabing. I flew them over here. Yeah. Nice.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's, you know, the dream is about, for me, like, what's enough.

And my current dream is like, I think my brother's probably going to get married and have a kid soon. So my current dream is like, I think my brother is probably going to get married and have a kid soon. So my current dream is like, I want to be a really dope uncle. Yeah. So I bought property in Michigan

and like I'm building a house. I'm going to be close to him. I'll spend more time out there. Whenever you do the Grismas, are you from Detroit or? Southfield. Southfield. Basically a suburb.

So when you come back there, are people jealous of you? Your friends? I don't, those wouldn't you come back there, are people jealous of you? Your friends? I don't, those wouldn't be, if there were those people, those people would be my friends. Yeah.

Like I, and I don't have like a bajillion friends back at home, but I just have really solid people at home that are like, that are the people that, that like called me out on my asshole. Yeah. Which is like, that's cool.

You need those. Yep. That's my boy, Nick. Yeah. I got called out for that. Yeah. So that was,

and I was like, I need to change the way that I present myself for my people or else I'm going to lose. Do you, like all Midwest people, long for the Midwest?

No, I don't. I really don't. I'm just kidding. Is that a bit? No, no. He loves Indiana. I love the Midwest. I don't know about Indiana.

I don't like the laws. Well, I'm happy that I exist when you exist, no. He loves Indiana. I love the Midwest. I don't know about Indiana. I don't like the laws. Well, I'm happy that I exist when you exist, Grant. So I'm thinking that. I'm happy that I exist when you exist and you exist. Hell yeah. And you exist. Yeah. And you.

And you. And you. And you. Not you, though. You know who you are. You know who you are. The first talk of shit send death threats. Not you.

Not you. Fuck you. But everyone else does. All right. Have a great day. Okay. Have a great day. Not you. Not you. Fuck you. But everyone else, though. All right. Have a great day. Okay, have a great day. Enjoy your lunch. Good.

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